tv Open Phones with Arianna Huffington CSPAN May 15, 2016 12:00am-12:31am EDT
so this wasn't a distinction between men and women, this was a distinction between pregnant and non-pregnant persons. [laughter] and so background for swift, and congress enacted the pregnancy discrimination act in 1978, the general electric decision was in '76. and the pda definitely cleared things up to an extent. but the two cases that are in the book about pregnancy, well, three cases that are in in the k about pregnancy are all after the pda, so it didn't quite clear everything up. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> when i tune into it on the weekends, usually it's authors sharing their new releases. >> watching the nonfiction authors on booktv is the best television for serious readers.
>> on c-span they can have a longer conversation and delve into their subjects. >> booktv weekends, they bring you author after author after author that spotlight the work of fascinating people. >> i love booktv and i'm a c-span fan. >> host: author arianna huffington is our guest. her most recent book, here it is. "the sleep revolution: transforming your life one night at a time." arianna huffington, are we a sleep-deprived nation? >> guest: we are. there's a real crisis of sleep deprivation, and it's affecting every aspect of our lives.ev it's affecting our health, first of all, with an incredible cost in terms of our health care provision but also in terms of how we feel about our life. because we now know through this amazing new finding of sleep science that literally sleep
deprivation is affecting every aspect of our health from obesity and diabetes to cancer and heart disease, and now we find out alzheimer's. because what we've learned in the recent years is that contrary to what was believed, sleep is a time of frenetic activity for the brain. that's when all the toxins accumulated in the day get washed out and cleaned up. and if that doesn't happen, the consequences are dire. so my hope with this book is to help shift the culture and give ourselves permission to do what nature intended, which is for the majority of us according to all scientists to get 7-9 hours of sleep. there's a tiny percentage who are known as short sleepers who can get by perfectly with very little sleep. but it's a genetic mutation. [laughter] you can't train yourself to
become a short sleeper. you either have it or you don't. and you can -- [inaudible] so when i look around after my own experience of collapsing from sleep deprivation, i saw how burn-out is a condition of modern civilization, and over 40% of people are sleepwalking through life. and it's something which affects not just our health, but our cognitive ability. it's actually pretty absurd that we congratulate people for working 24/7, because that's the cognitive equivalent of coming to work drunk. and it also affects our happiness. i know for myself when i'm sleep-deprived, i get more anxious, i take things more personally. you know, all the things that make life harder than it needs to be.
>> host: arianna huffington, two people who have said out loud and are well known for sleeping short periods, president bill clinton and donald trump. are they mutations? >> no. president bill clinton actually did say that all the important mistakes he made, he made when he was tired. which is a really interesting statement from a leader. because sleep deprivation dramatically affects impulse control and our decision making. and donald trump displays all the symptoms of what the american academy of sleep medicine has described as symptoms of chronic sleep deprivation; inability to process even simple information, mood swings, outbursts of anger, paranoid tendencies, instability.
all these things become cumulatively worse, and we saw how in the last week his campaign went off the rails with statements he had to retract about women who get abortions, etc., etc. so maybe he'll be exhibit a of a cautionary tale -- [laughter] of what happens when you deprive yourself of something incredibly important. and, you know, i kind of in the book as well as having all the new science, i looked at the history of when was it that we started devaluing sleep. because after all, it was something venerated. in ancient greece and ancient rome. and the change started happening during the first industrial revolution. when we started treating human beings like machines, and we thought the goal was to minimize down time. and then with the third
industrial revolution, the digital revolution, of course, we all have become a little addicted to our devices, and it becomes harder and harder to disconnect. and be able to sleep. that's why in the second part of the book i give all the recommendations of what to do to actually get the full night's sleep that we need so we're fully recharged for the next day. and the first and most important thing is to create a transition to sleep. you know, those of us who are parents know that when we have children, we don't just drop them in bed, right? we give them a bath, we put them in their pjs, we sing them a lullaby. we need to have a transition for ourselves, and the most important part is to pick a time. for me it's 30 minutes, but you start with 5 before you're going to turn off the lights when you turn off all your devices and
gently escort them out of your bedroom. no phones charging by your bed. that is key. because i'm sure it's happened to you like it's happened to me and to all of us. if it's, if the phone is on our nightstand, when we wake up if we wake up during the night, we are going to be tempted to go check e-mails and texts and social media. and that's the end of a restorative night's sleep. >> host: you have a reputation as a workaholic. and what happened to you that you came to this revolution? >> guest: in fact, yes, i display all the worst aspects of our civilization. and that's why it took a very painful wake-up call for me, which was collapsing, hitting my head on the way down, breaking my cheekbone. and that was what started me on this journey to reevaluate my life, to reevaluate the
importance of sleep in our life and to launch this campaign through the book, through our college outreach to change cultural norms around sleep. and it's beginning to happen. we now have companies like aetna, the third largest health insurance company, who are -- the ceo has announced a program just now that if employees can prove through wearing a wearable device that they haven't gotten seven hours' sleep -- have gotten seven hours' sleep the night before, they get a reward. that is really a game-changer in the culture. because we go from wearing sleep deprivation like a badge of honor to valuing sleep as something that makes us more productive and helps the company reduce health care costs.
>> host: arianna huffington is our guest. we're going to show you the coffer of the book, and as we take this first call from marjorie in pratt, west virginia. marjorie, you're on booktv, and we are listening. >> caller: thank you. thank you, arianna, for bringing this topic to light. i'm one of those sleep-deprived people. but my question for you has to do with politics. i'm particularly interested in the sanders campaign and how his advisers are complaining about hillary's negative attacks on him. and i'm wondering if he -- it appears to me that cnn, msnbc don't bring out things that hillary really could attack him on such as his sympathies for the castros as was brought out in the univision debate. if bernie were to get the nomination, i do believe the republicans will have a field day on him about his socialist
views. and i'm just concern. >> host: all right, marjorie, i think we got the point. let's get a response mr. arianna huffington. >> guest: so i think what is interesting is, obviously, that last week the campaign between sanders and hillary clinton became particularly negative. but compared to what is going on on the republican side, it's really like an afternoon tea party. i mean, on the republican side it's really become a circus that parents with young children don't want them to watch. the comparisons of people's hand size, the comparisons of people's wives' look. i think this has been a low moment in american politics, and it's important more us to correct. >> host: are hillary clinton and donald trump both friends of yours?
>> guest: i wouldn't say friends you know, obviously, i know them. >> host: have you endorsed anyone? >> guest: no, we can't endorse anyone as journalists. you know, we are covering everyone. but we are also trying to cover them in different ways. for example, when hillary clinton resigned, left her post as secretary of state, she gave some really interesting statements to bill collins of "the new york times." when she was asked what she wanted to do, she said what i most want to do is be untired. and, again, i think it's really interesting to see how exhausted our political leaders are. and this is something that needs to change, because i think it reduces the level of the decisions they make. and it also affects the level of the political discourse. and in the book i've included an example of fdr in 1940. as you know, there was
tremendous pressure for him to enter the war. and yet the american public was very much against it. so he had not found how to square the circle. so what he did is he took ten days off and went on a naval ship. as he put it and as eleanor put it to him in letters, to sleep and -- [inaudible] and at the end of it, he came up with a political master piece, the lend-lease program, which allows him to enter the war. so politics and solving problems requires a level of wisdom that is mounting when you're running on empty and running on fumes. so we need to recognize that we owe it to the country as well as to ourselves and our families to really -- to show change.
>> host: and, arianna huffington, you tell both the lend-lease story and the hillary clinton untired story in "the sleep revolution." columbus, ohio, please go ahead. >> caller: hi, arianna, how are you? >> guest: hi, jacob. good. >> caller: i'd like to, first, i'd like to make a quick statement, then a question. i used to be a ups driver for 31 years, and the best of that job job -- [inaudible] [audio difficulty] hard to get a good night's sleep, and that a affected production. >> host: jacob, i am so sorry, but we're going to have to lose that call. he was coming in and out. did you get anything? >> guest: yes. i kind of got the idea.
jacob was a ups driver, and i write a lot in the book about the problems of a truck driver. it's really one of the most dangerous occupations with dozens of deaths and hundreds of accidents. and this is one of the reasons why we've also launched this week, together with uber, a campaign against drowsy driving. because what has happened, the growing awareness around drunk driving has meant that drunk driving numbers are going down, and drowsy driving numbers are going up. and last year we had 1,200,000 crashes and 8,000 deaths. so we're asking people to go to change.org and take a pledge not to drive drowsy and not to let friends drive drowsy. and, you know, it's easier to know when you're drunk than it
is to know when you're exhausted. and often especially you -- not you personally, but other members of your sex -- get behind the wheel or get a coffee or a coke, and i'll power through. and it takes literally a second or two of microsleep as they call it for a crash to happen. >> host: and men are more guilty of that than women? >> guest: men --11% more guilty. >> host: helen, lewisburg, west virginia. please go ahead, helen. >> caller: hello. i wanted to ask you, i had heard you talk about your book with charlie rose x there was one topic which wasn't mentioned, and you'll understand why i'm asking this question when i say i was a practicing pediatrician or 40 years. unusually every second or third night. so i lost a lot of sleep, and
this was also kind of admired, as you mentioned. and i wondered if you had any thoughts about the effects of sleep deprivation in the medical profession. >> guest: absolutely. very important question, thank you for raising it. i have a whole section about that in the book. because, in fact, a lot of what i've known in your profession is adverse affects which include accidents and even death in hospitals. they happen because doctors and nurses are is so exhausted. it's incontrovertible that after a certain amount of hours you are not operating at your best anymore.
in fact, the latest steadies show that after 17-19 hours -- which is a normal day's work for many in your profession -- your cognitive abilities are degraded to the point of being 0-5% drunk. so we need to actually look at the data and change the way we approach the hours that doctors and nurses are expected to work. and also another thing is hospitals. probably the worst place to sleep in. and yet every doctor will tell you that sleep is a very important vehicle for healing. but hospitals are noisy, you're constantly having people interrupt your sleep to check your vitals. so there are hospitals now that
are prioritizing some fundamental changes to make sleep and, therefore, the healing that comes through sleep easier for patients. >> host: from "the sleep revolution," in 2014 people around the world spent a staggering $58 billion on sleep aid products, and then you quote jerome siegel of ucla center for sleep research. quote, in 20 years people will look back on the sleeping pill era as we now look back at the acceptance of cigarette smoking. >> guest: yes. it's actually amazing that the united states and new zealand are the only countries in the world that are allowed television advertising of sleeping pills. and when you see these ads of happy people frog licking through fields -- frolicking through fields and then you have 92 side effects that include suicide and getting in a car and
without knowing that you are driving and maybe killing somebody along the way which has happened, you realize that it's really dangerous that we look at sleeping pills as a chronic solution. something maybe occasionally, and we go through because of a traumatic experience in our lives or because of some unusual circumstance. but they're being advertised as a nightly solution. and as a result, we ignore an enormous amount of natural alternatives. i cover them all in the book from very simple things like having a transition to sleep which in my case includes a very hot bath or a shower, whatever you prefer, but something that actually washes the day away and prepares you for sleep and for recharging to cognitive
behavioral therapy if you have a real insomnia problem. and it has been proven to help as effective a result as any sleeping bill without any adverse effects. so it's kind of a shame that we immediately gravitate to a pill with huge adverse consequences when there's so many natural alternatives. >> host: lee in new york city, we have one minute left with arianna huffington. go ahead. >> caller: yes, ms. huffington. >> guest: hi. >> caller: are you aware of the old to russian fairy tale about ?reep i read it about 85 years ago, and it's very, very simple. a peasant goes up into the mountains because he's looking for something or other, and he loses his way x the spirit comes out and says to him, what is the most precious thing in life? and what is the dearest thing in your life? and the man says, well, my wife, of course.
and the spirit says, no, you anyoneny, it's sleep. [laughter] >> guest: i didn't know that. if i knew, i would have included it in my book, but thank you. >> host: and one of the other stories in the sleep revolution by arianna huffington is the story of how google came about in a dream. arianna huffington's most recent book, "the sleep revolution: transforming your life one night at a time." what's your current role with the huff post? >> guest: i'm the pred, editor-in-chief, and we have a dedicationed section on sleep -- dedicated section on sleep. so anybody who wants to write anything including the russian fairy tale, please send it to us, email@example.com is my e-mail. and we also have two nap rooms, so if our reporters or engineers get tired in the afternoon, they
can have a nap instead of having a fifth cup of coffee or a third >> c-span, created by america's cable television companies and brought to you as a public service by your cable or satellite provider. >> it's quite interesting, particularly as somebody who lives in the u.k., to reflect on how rome and the roman empire, as it were, shaped the world. and i think there's something which is very, very in your face about the romans and britain, you know? you go out, and you see bits of rome still this. you go round the country, and you see loads of towns in britain end in caster or chester, you know bell rings,
that means the e romans were there. you can see that the social geography of britain is still configured in a roman way. why is london in such a stupid place? [laughter] for a capital city? why? pause the bloody romans -- because the bloody romans put it there because it was convenient for them. so you're kind of living in a world which still has its parameters formed by rome. but it gets more complicated than that, i think, for two ways really. one way is, of course -- and i'm talking about britain, but we could do the same about germany. of course, our identity is not only formed by that kind of sense of roman infrastructure, it's formed by our view of conflict between us and the romans. and one of the most interesting things about how rome works in the head of any western european is that we're always both on the
roman side and against them. are we actually thinking that we are the inheritors of the romans, or are we inheritors of the rebels, the oppressed populace? that'd be quite a good, an edgy sort of standoff there when we're thinking about our own cultural identity. there's no better place to see that than just outside the house of parliament on the banks of the thames. there is a fantastic bronze statue of the leading british rebel, the warrior queen, buddica, in her chariot with her daughters, flowing hair as we imagine, you know, massacre as she apparently did thousands and thousands of roman soldiers, 20 years only after the conquest. and she in all sorts of ways,
she's the rebel, she's a terrorist, she's the independence freak. on the base of the statue, kind of paradoxes about our relationship with rome comes out very clearly because what it says is a quotation from a slightly earlier poem. this statue's late 19th, early 20th century. and it basically says don't worry, because she did come to a very stick i can, nasty end, don't worry because your descendants will rule more of the world than the romans ever did. [laughter] so you turn the independence freedom fighter into the ancestor of british empire by an appalling slight of hand, actually. [laughter] i'm going to shut up now, but i think for me, though, it's not infrastructure, though that's important because it's what first got me into the romans,
you know? it was all i could see around me. i think where rome has formed western identity finish you know better than me, i think, in this country -- is not so much in infrastructure, it's in conversation that we is -- we still have with the romans about how politics and civic values work. and i think it's very interesting in the states, because an american audience are much more receptive to this than british ones. british ones always tend to think about aqueducts -- [laughter] and american audiences think about the senate and the capitol and the idea of how you create community. and in many ways, i think we -- what we really are the heir of is roman debate. we're not, you know, we're not a simple kind of dupe who are taken in by the romances, but
we're the heir about what it is to be a citizen, what rights a citizen has, what liberty is and to what extent -- and this is where i started the book in a way -- to what extent and it's our problem as much as the romans', to what extent it is right, justifiable or necessary to suspend the liberty of the citizen in the interest of protecting the state and homeland security. and we are still talking about that in ways that the romans have forced us to talk about. i think that's the direction i'd go, sadly, rather than aqueducts. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> here's a look at some authors recently featured on booktv's "after words," our weekly author interview program. peter marks remembers the career of the late aig ceo who turned the company around during the height of the financial crisis. aol co-founder steve case told
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protects our rights equally? what happens when it protects you, your freedom the same that it protects might be? we're going to create very different amounts of wealth because we have different abilities, we make different choices, we, you know, some of us want to go and become a teacher. and for us, that's what a successful life is whether we, you know, go up from where our parents were or down from where our parents were, that's what a successful life is. other people want to be hedge fund managers. other people want to start new companies. you're going to get inequality if we have equal freedom. >> "after words" airs on booktv every saturday at 10 p.m. and sunday at 9 p.m. eastern. you can watch all previous "after words" programs on our web site, booktv.org. >> when i tune into it on the weekends, usually it's authors sharing their new releases. >> watching the nonfiction authors on booktv is the best television for serious readers. >> on c-span they can have a