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and nothing outlines that economic policy standpoint that connects all the dots. >> one rap that millennial expectation of equality in the larger push for women? are they giving up more than the other generation? >> this generation frighteningly does not run for office they don't vote or they vote less definitely do not get involved very civic minded if this is my generation but they don't get involved with public policy but they do nonprofit stuff working for a green company evade disdain washington and office and that is the problem for the
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gains in washington because of that next generation doesn't the that you will see those gains retreat millenials live in a much stronger in the private section so maybe they will see more gains in that sector there much more up-and-coming like silicon valley or even in hollywood taylors with saying what my recognition or jennifer lawrence i want equal pay they're finding their voices that are very powerful but there are so very few millenials with bin in public life. >> i think they in general especially college students that is why i think there is of fundamental shift for
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those that are interested which i think is encouraging but stay involved and volunteer on campaigns because if you get the bug early you will be hooked and you can make a difference. >> i thoroughly enjoyed to be here with all of you. >> thanks for coming tonight it was great to have your insight. [applause] [inaudible conversations]
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good morning. what i am delighted to be with you here and also those of you out in twitter this is also web cast and we will be taking questions later they can start coming in now use #artist places so fire up your smart phones. and the senior fellow here at brookings and it is my privilege to kick off today's very auspicious event i think that is for several reasons but to
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welcome end help launch a book into the world is a red letter day cruz excellent new book is out and if i do say so we should rush to get at copy so on the way out please do that also with the canada eggs observers with this standard inside the belt way not the usual spin cycle but they are the most fundamental elements of the national well-being. this debt market is intense in this industry with aerospace or materials and renewable energy regional technology custer's blunder technology ecosystems are critical that as part of their focus and the
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collaboration's that they accelerate. the fact that they themselves can be incubators of growth traveling the world foredeck aids and to embrace the klay regular and the micro this is often to the disembody eve debate - - base and the most auspicious aspect and big news. and it is true. that least it is done in to flip the narrative to see a
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decline and then to see reinvention with the increased focus on technology. end of tires and steel is the polymer of nanotechnology. and with the reinvention playbook will be have to turn local universities and open innovation in to have a promising new strategies to return with an optimistic view that old places are launch pads for the new i find it extremely exciting.
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this is a welcome counter to the scary decline that has dominated the presidential campaign and especially noteworthy given that antoine while working at the world bank in 1981. the term emerging-market its and declared the onset of the emerging markets century. at that time he did not say it was the beginning of the american century but it was a different century now he is back with a somewhat different view so i would like to introduce our to esteemed authors the you can see from the agenda will also participate in a panel discussion that we have moderated by my colleague. preference our introduce
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antoine ben fred bakker who is his co-author and you'll meet him shortly but as a brookings trustee and senior adviser the public policy advisor referred to recently the principal founder and ceo of the emerging markets management specializing in emerging markets by should note he is also a supporter of the office of centennial scholars here at brookings and for his part the recent retirement fred bakker was european journalist specializing in monetary financial affairs that was dubbed "the financial times" of holland living in amsterdam for right now we will hear from antoine van agtmael. [applause]
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>> thanks for that wonderful introduction am glad my wife is your to hear this. [laughter] i will start to that we could not have written this book without brookings they give us this forum in the presentation but for the past couple of years was really influential with our thinking. brookings and bruce and mark did the task of breaking work on all of this and it has been very good work and we're standing on your shoulders to make this possible so thank you for that. when you listen to some of
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the political candidates on the left and the right right, don't you get depressed? when you listen is outside the country has rand -- run out of steam on innovation and all we have his problems but as mark said that is not what we found out i will start by saying if you look in the rearview mirror, yes famous look bleak youth employment is down 7 million people there are 10 million jobs in high-tech industries and 4 million were created during this time and you can see that line at the end is starting to reverse and not
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just competition from my emerging-market its but also we we're doing things much more productive the and of course, a devastating impact from the 2008 crisis we're coming out of but that is not the whole story and this book started when i went to asia and fred had a similar experience with his travels i have been doing this 30 years and i met with many an entrepreneur and ce0 and i hear them complain about american competition i did not grow up here and i have not heard that in 30 years and why were they
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complaining? labor cost goes up and gas was cheap but they could not keep up with american innovation so we visited one dozen cities all over the united states. we came to a very different conclusion the american and european economies are not on the decline. no. they are regaining competitiveness why does the new paradigm for the last 25 years we have been trying to compete on the basis to make things as cheap as possible.
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that is a losing battle. certainly against china or other emerging markets for the we have learned after the 2008 crisis it is much better to compete to make things as smart as possible here we're very give me a great universities and a freedom of thinking that promotes thinking of the box basis for all real innovation with a great legal system so smart innovation is beginning to replace cheap labor as the key competitive edge so now first people a sharing brain power. what is that? collaboration among the
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university departments barrasso universities climbing out of their ivory towers and small start-ups and all legacy businesses and we see this all over the country in the past they we're done on the hierarchical basis not very efficient and we learned this from though whippersnappers in silicon valley and cambridge we learn things to do things in a collegiate way it is no longer close to innovation but open innovation is no longer siloam today's problems require multi disciplinary solutions one of the of trustees of brookings i went to see
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shirley jackson from the polytechnic institute and she said nothing is being invented everything was already invented between academia it is now bottom-up you're not alone in your garage but collaborative flee and no longer in isolated research centers of the government but in vibrant urban innovation that is worthy young researchers like to work second is we are creating a whole new branch of the economy the expertise and now we have added new production of its in materials and discoveries
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and on top of that we integrate with what we are really good at of information technology and the ability we did not have that before coming to use big data to analyze this to help us and that is softer a tiny chip and that is the sensor that makes things possible that were never possible before the future is all about connecting and connectedness. take the selfie driving car a revolution in transportation.
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my picture disappeared and wearable devices. this will be incredibly important to the future of health care you can wear them or even in jest them less smart grid for farming and fred can tell you about that of this is now possible not possible before this is the smart economy the culmination of the physical and the digital you might think this is nice to we have lost these industries. think again we have new production methods look at rodney brooks from m.i.t. second-generation robots
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look at north carolina that invented to read the printing 1,000 times faster and only in prototypes but in production and dr. chang and found a new way to make batteries and to bring back industries like socks and shirts and shoes i've talked to fill 90 severe already making shoes. we also found this collaborative innovation is no longer limited to places like silicon valley and cambridge but has spread to more than 30 greenbelts to
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more than 50 greenbelts in europe so i will illustrate with one example which you thought one of this is the smartest places on earth? maybe not the we had four old tire companies gone practically overnight with a loss of a lot of jobs and a life-threatening challenges all of these are based on life-threatening challenges then the second element the president of the university who got people together and to collaborate because they had no other choice and was stayed in akron didn't
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disappear was world-class polymer research giving us things like contact lenses that change color with your diabetes and tires that drive on all types of road conditions in haiti that whistled driving cars and making give you hundreds more but now 1,000 polymer companies that have more people working for them than before all tire companies that is what i mean by changes. you have a life-threatening situation in the university it is always university centric each westervelt that is becoming the greenbelt to use world-class research the problems with our century are no longer simple they are complex and expensive requiring multiple canary --
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multiple this plenary approaches to share brain power if they have a connector in the infrastructure projects and retains anticly includes affordable housing that is why people move from silicon valley to pittsburgh or akron. and finally access to capital these are the key characteristics we have albany new york do you know, just outside of the nanotechnology complex a former christian militia fighter from lebanon is a great physicist is at the forefront of semiconductor research next door you have thousands of employees working on the most modern plants in the world i was in
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the clean room and that little machine cost $1 billion the most modern machine to make semiconductors in albany new york let me tell you a story on the sidelines the lucky strike factory no more cigarettes now it is an incubator and important organ giving $500 million that brought together the university with what was already there doing things they cannot do alone and now the university brushback to put the city bicycles so now
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from labels to the most murderous cities now you have the technical university that was open innovation so over 30 places from all over the world two-thirds are former rust belt and we described in detail than of those in our book their building on the forgotten strength we could not be out brookings about some policy so let's go through them the first is a 21st century economy measuring with twentieth century statistics weirdness measuring our productivity
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google search we have to find a better way to do this and second why are is all this anchor because there is a job mismatch people cannot find jobs after they lose them in the new world we have to develop programs of training for jobs better based on a very good model of the german work study model is a great model we can do it and i think we probably will and share their brainpower to support and build the innovation districts in support for research united states still does two-thirds of basic research but we have to keep doing it or we lose out venture capital should have the leeway not to makeay or they
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invested in social media and invest for the long term so in conclusion we are optimistic and think the united states and northern europe has a fairly good future innovation and competitiveness is not dead in fact, we are we gaining it may be the best way to sum it up if you looked outside it is no longer winter in america spring is coming back. [laughter] thank you.
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>> i am from brookings the other is an absolute pleasure to moderate in the season of despair to be optimistic wrote the future of our country in many similarly situated cities in europe fred and antoine have done a solid great service to takes to dutchman to come to america and tell us what we have we have to other people on the panel that i will just give a brief introduction but two of the top economic development thinkers and practitioners in the united states rebekah is the vice chair for economic partnerships at the
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university of pittsburgh and if you want to feel optimistic about america won a tour with who were her she works for nortek and pennsylvania state government and bob his head of the research triangle arms the iconic part prior to that he worked with them so they're really at the cutting edge but i will start with fred about four years ago marcan i took a trip to the netherlands and you took us to where we have never heard of before and we had a remarkable day where we saw a turnaround story
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that electronics up part of the city lost tens of thousands of jobs to asia but in 15 years this is a city basically one of the most innovative cities in the world and what happened? >> the short version, it is a long story but it was originally built around two companies they came in big troubles estate announced they would shift the manufacturing. . .
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high-tech hot spot on a specific item that's building high-tech machinery. but how do we do it and tell you that technology is too complex on your own. so people knew that you had to
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collaborate, and -- but in sharing brain power, as we call it, and in you need teams, but there was a problem at that time, of course, the companies and the university and the city and nearby communities were all followed close, particularly organized and if you want to build those disciplinary teams, you have to break them open. and there was not one connector, but there were three connectors early this century, and to start with one that was a ceo of phillips and took the courageous step to open up the silo, close research lab, a lab that is similar to -- were similar to the bell lab and had much
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resistance from his own employees and people around phillips. but he opened it up and did something more, he invested a lot of money in building a high-tech campus and he put his own research team on that campus, opened up facilities for -- for start-ups. laboratory, clean rooms and foreign companies to put part research. 60,000 research all over the world working on that campus, that's the first connector. he and his colleagues went out to the companies and interviewed them, what are the skills that our students need to get those jobs that you are forgetting, and so with the information he
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got from those enterprises he built that were able to breakthrough those silos that were also inside those universities. and the first step was taken by the mayor and, of course, it was not him alone anymore but there were 21 other communities where companies were doing research and manufacturing, so instead of fighting each other, he fighted them to come up with this proposal to start a foundation which all those 22 communities, and so they decided that the mayor would be the president of
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that foundation, and they gave it a brilliant name, red board, and that says it all. that was what happened in a relatively short period of time. there's one other thing that is -- that's remarkable for the region what we can't see in all the other place that is was the change that took place in the supply chain from all those middle companies that were in that region and the initiative of h&l to ask their supplies -- h&l is a semiconductor machinery makeup that is world leading now after they have beaten companies like canon.
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but they asked their suppliers who were earlier this century still delivering components on strict prescription from h&l and they asked those companies to put their r&d in those components, so they change it had supply chain into a chain and that is very, very unique. let me -- >> you're a journalist. [laughter] >> when mark and you and i were at the end of the day, we drove back to airport and can you -- because this is a story of a dutchman about the dutch situation and it's suspicious.
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but can you tell me what you remember of that feeling when you left a city and drove with me to the airport? >> well, i will tell you two things. on the way in to anhovin, i thought you were nuts. [laughter] >> you're not the only one. >> this is a city that -- how many people in the room have heard of antovin? that's because you read the book. but on the way into the city, fred is describing, armsterdam is the airport and by the end to have way i would have to take the biggest take away, we went to see the mayor and we went to see the business chamber and top investor and technical institute
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and we went to see the high-tech campus and everyone was almost completing each other's sentences. it was almost scary. it was almost a stanford wives you'll see one of these actors and then they'll tell you, oh, you see so and so, half of what they're saying isn't right. this is the biggest surprise to me was -- what you now call sharing brain power, but in almost a frightening way. [laughter] >> how much there was a consistency of focus and vision, and by the way, the high-tech campus in antovin in 2014 had 50% of the patent in
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netherlands, but the synergy. you term the term merging markets. you must be receiving emails, phone calls from some of our former colleagues, what happened, describe the transformation. >> what i always say is, i quote who said we're all entitled to our own opinions. we are not entitled to our own facts, so when i look back at the emerging market century, i still think we live in the emerging market century because the center of gravity of the global economy continues to go toward the emerging markets, it's no longer the american but the emerging consumer that's the king. that says the same. i had a third point in my book and that was competitiveness is shifting to emerging markets,
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that's where i changed my mind because i think actually competitiveness as i told you earlier is shifting back. yeah, some people don't like that but, you know, factor the facts. i'm an analyst and you call it as you see it. >> but another question in terms of the acceptance of this perspective both in the netherlands and in other parts of europe, you're an observer of the american political scene on a reality tv show. to what extent do you feel that local policy makers, national policy makers, broader sort of networks of civic university and business leaders here in the netherlands or in some other countries. >> it depends on the part that you look at. the established parties
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understand it and they also see the challenges. our whole social system is silo as well. one of the main conclusions for me is that the situation we describe is bottom up, horizontal development and all of the policies of the past 30-40 years are vertically, and you see in region but it's not working anymore. some day in talks with people in our capitol city to change, that's one thing. that's a possibility. a question of strength, but you see that there is the same in europe as here in the united states, that's globalization is felt by certain groups of people
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will find that scary developments and they feel threatened and there are politicians who are -- who are -- well, put their finger on it. try to picture a future in which we can close our borders and become in the process of uniting in the eu and people think of the old days that we have a sovereign government, and the french frank and people are lost. and they are looking for that
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new identity and growing group is thinking that turning back to the old days is the solution and i completely disagree, but -- >> first, i want to add to that because i live in washington and you hear everybody bash washington and we described this process as really a process that is bottom up. people are not waiting for washington anymore, but, but -- and this is the little known secret, the environment that makes all of this possible, all of this collaboration possible was created by washington. 1980 by dole act said you can take research that is funded by the federal government and universities and researchers can use this and profit from it.
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well, they did. and that is what made silicon valley possible. where did google come from? 700,000-dollar national science foundation grant. how did we get by an earlier form of collaboration. it's darpa, why do we have a self-driving car, because darba did a competition that allowed stanford to participate. the often collaboration is by buying and stealing and then collaborating. [laughter] but places like darpa and intel are important and this is act absolutely critical importance. >> i want to come back to that. i want to bring rebecca and bob into this conversation because if you listened to anto, ine and
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fred and the words they're using , connectors, recollecting, brain sharing, in many respects the institutions you work on now are almost this. we are trying to carve out. [laughter] >> the university of pittsburgh and upmc, there's an old academic tradition that antoine described but discipline staying within the discipline. in this shift to open innovation and collaborative, is it happening in your institution. >> so, yes, i'm short answer, i think it's interesting that we have been talking about, it really happened back in the
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industrial time when it was top down that they talked about, so there was 15 guys or 25 guys who got in a room and decided what the critical things for the community were. they were in competition but when they came to pittsburgh it was important for them to collaborate and sort of lay that out. i think one of the big changes is the complexity of the economy is which is a good thing, you know, has created the need to really look at connectedness and look at opportunities very, very differently. one of the things that pittsburgh did with the crash is steal and economy basically overnight fell apart, they really had the foresight to bring together the university leadership, the government, the industry all together instead of just looking to entry and looking to one sector basically
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to solve that. and so they really we reinvented the economy for that time, now, i think we are in accurate accelerated rate of transportation of pittsburgh and it's actually the moment in time where our connector, our network was shifting dramatically really over the last year and a half where we are seeing an influx of young people, we are seeing google has the most people outside of silicon valley located in pittsburgh. uber moved autonomus vehicle. neighborhoods pushing out so places you cannot going into this ten years ago, it's the dynamic technology hub and that's where antoine slide about how it used to be like and what it is.
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i think we have broken down some of the barriers, i really think we are in the accelerated transformation stage and i really think that the universities have a critical role in that. i mean, there's $1.2 million going in pittsburgh. we can't keep that in by the institution, it really needs to benefit not only pittsburgh but the other evolution. we have global connections and we really need to both take advantage of that for our region but also to be able to share that knowledge with the group. >> well, i mean, like rebecca said about her region. it was a very deliberate decision in north carolina the 1950's, a very deliberate public policy decision to develop a research and described at the time audacious, not only were we 49 out of the 50 states,
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we didn't have any comparison. stamford research park was only a couple of years old when we open it had rtp but there was a deliberate and conscious sort of agreement that was structured where the government would fund infrastructure and education. the private sector would lead the foundation. we always operated for private and not for profit. public mission to serve education and create meaningful work and lift up the people of north carolina. that's our job. and then there were the universities who were basically instructed to, you know, educate a workforce. and what we are seeing today and i think this is -- i think this is where the creative energy and i think it is more e anything etic than anything else. it is shifting away from that top down or more directed approach.
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i think we are begin to go see that in rtp itself. we don't have a starbucks in rp rpt. but we were not designed to be that way and so this interesting idea of how much do we fight plan and how structured become and in many ways the most exciting things is opening it up for wild interpretation and letting the actors create their own play and that is becoming very exciting, it's very innovative in terms of changing the old model, it's very disruptive but creating the great opportunity for amazing convergence and in the part like
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tp, we have all those technologies. 60% of the companies in rtp are 20 employees or less. so you have this great big pot of things going on and now when you start connecting them, the convergence opportunities are huge. so it really is about letting go of that older structure and letting it much more organic. >> so just let's follow up up on that point and antonie and fred jump on that point. requires people to really engage seem ingly with each other. you know, when i was in pittsburgh last week i could see the whole part of the oakland neighborhood and beyond really
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beginning to change from fortress to karen to something that really looks like a city. you have a much bigger challenge out, you know, in the park, right? >> yeah. how do you think about place making as it reinforces innovation? >> well, so we are sort of a whole in the donut because we have a great city of raleigh and in durham of chapel hill. >> we are going to get a tweet from chapel hill. [laughter] >> i know that they're proud of their village in chapel hill. >> we have this dynamic growing region all around us and i was just at mit last week and the future of suborbia is we love what's happening in our cities. remember the cities were dead 30-40 years ago and rtp are you
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sure successful because everybody was leaving the cities, they didn't want to be a part of that. but we can't let the cities -- >> the suburbs have been to be reinvented. we have to rethink the way they were. and so i think there are three things that are going on. i mean, yes vanity matters in that it creates place that is are highly collaborative and engaging in a lot of socialtivity. but if you look at silicon valley outside of san francisco, you have a lot of suburbs. but there you have tremendous amount of culture around risk taking, wild risk taking, it's okay to fail and start over. one of my favorite places i have been in the last few years, the imagine studios of wallet disney which are the same studios he picked out in 1956. they're highly innovative in terms of the products they
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deliver. you really have to think about your own space, what you can embrace, it's your brand, vanity or culture. so whether it's suburban or urban embrace what's true and genuine to you and really celebrate that and the place making is so important but not avoidance of people. respond to what the people want. give them a chance to shape it and own it and you will be amazed what will happen. and that's something we can do in america and in western europe. that sense of freedom and the sense of exploration and that dynamic nature that is, you know, part capitalism and part
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democracy, i think are things that can't be duplicated but have strong companies. >> and bruce, we have done it before. bill was this fantastic you know , meshing of brain power, how did we get to the moon? it's always collaboration. sometimes we have forten of collaboration, i think it will make a real change. >> one of the things that came up in pittsburgh is relationships and transactions, we were thinking about the relationship that is you get through synergy and through the
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work and a lot of things are built on relationships but there's also a lot of things you can do transactionally where the human -- a silly example but somebody gave at the meet if -- so, you know, i just thought -- he didn't have to use that relationship anymore, right? so i also think that an overlay of all of this is not necessarily tapped out but one of the systems that you're putting over to enable not only the regional or place-making but the global connectivity and so i think we need to not only think about the collaborative bump into spaces but how do you create the systems for that for that scale. >> that's a great point. by the way, if y'all visited upmc, it's not for the fan of
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heart. i saw having open-heart surgery and i'm still recovering. [laughter] >> i was going to ask the question because bob brought it up. you go back to your state government basically being in the van guard and creating one of the innovative spaces in the world today and you look at your state government today which seems to be -- >> thanks for bringing that up. i think we all know what's happening in north carolina, if not look at "the new york times" each other. >> right. >> i would like one more question before opening it up to the audience. does all of this innovation and collaboration and openness work for a broader segment of citizenry from employment and jobs particularly in the core cities because if you go to most of innovation hubs in the united states and you walk five blocks, you're in an area of high
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poverty, high depreviousation, are those being made, do we have the right tools and high system systems? it's so organic and so dynamic, most of these institutions only get rewarded based upon a more specific set of data points, so one of the things i think institutions like universities need and others is how do you begin to evaluate whether or not you're seeing success out of that, that's a sort of whole set of policy questions, i think. i think we've always looked at the economic development in the past assort of event oriented and we structured our government and others to celebrate the singular event.
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the 400 new jobs, 500 new jobs. the whole economy we live is far more dynamic, we are going to see companies grow and lose employment and it doesn't necessarily say anything about the place you live. an economic development is less about specific events. it's much more about a longer-term process, and so how you react to those new pieces and the policies that you need both in cities and in universities and in government to really take advantage of that process oriented approach. >> bruce, clearly the answer to your question is not yet. >> right. >> i mean, clearly a lot of people feel left behind and they have good reason to feel left mind because there is this -- we are no longer in an era of job losses. that's the past. that's the rear-view mirror because just as we lost
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7 million jobs, we created 4.4 million jobs. there are ten million jobs now in the sector. these are not just jobs for ph.d's and college graduates, although by the way that employment has grown. half of those jobs, if i remember the numbers, i think mark you did the research u are the people with post secondary skill. the problem is with those who have less than post secondary skills. i mean, we need to activate and you're doing that, for example, the community colleges to go back to what they were founded for and not to get into college, if you can't fine, but work together with corporations to work together where with the government and finally there's going to be -- for those left behind, you know, in the end it's not an economic issue. in the end this requires a political solution.
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do we as a country have the guts and the sense of solidarity to do that and that is at the moment a very open question. >> i think in economic development we really embraced riseing -- lift for many, many years and over the last year too. there's been a real recognition and i think it's still evolving and changing but that's actually not working. i mean, it lifted but did not lift all those. so dedicated strategies into connected communities where you can connect to the new economy and a lot of the work that i've done were leveraging the work at the university. we have programs and they are working in these communities. connecting that leveraging it,
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and bringing opportunities for next economy were appropriate. i think that's an incredible way as a university that we can tie that in. so i think working with the people that are already working in those neighborhoods and figuring out how workforce development, you know, what are the needs, educating parents, so that they're, you know, counseling their children in a way that leads towards opportunities in the economy and i think those have some of the things that we have been working on, but i think there's definitely recognition that doesn't necessarily -- you need dedicated strategies to move that. >> sure. >> to add something to remarks of antoine about solidarity, i think that's a big difference between the university and europe. that in europe -- in this point, local communities, companies
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have set up programs -- work study programs and are part of our culture, and our structure. and it doesn't mean that people are not feeling left out. that's the same in europe as well. so we have to put a lot of effort in it because it's a very important middle class group that's -- that is needed and that must not be left to its own. >> it just strikes me and also what antoine said as we look at the innovation hubs in europe and latin america, asia, they're not just platforms for economic, technological product innovation or process innovation, what we see happening in many of the places is social. the community colleges are
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colocateing labs, are opening pre-k opportunities for people in the community are being -- i mean, it's much more substantial social efforts going on than, i think is well understood and we are at the early-end of that. i think we are going to open it up. we are going to start over and just state your name and -- and then provide a question not a statement and then there are some folks on twitter who may want to send some of their thoughts as well. start over here. >> really close to collapse and in part this creating opportunities for start-ups, a lot of cheap rent was probably
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key to all of this happening. to what extent now that the innovation economy is taking off, to what extent that land will jack up rent and kill the goose that lay it is golden egg? >> it's an interesting challenge. we have rising housing cost in pittsburgh, i think somebody said earlier affordable housing is going to be a key element to making sure that it is sustainable. we still have a lot of opportunity to work in certain neighborhoods, housing situations but could be affordable and could help with some of what's going on in the neighborhood. so we still have -- a lot of the neighborhoods have been developed but there's still a lot more developed that needs to be happened so that's, of course, a problem for a city in
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decline and we are not quite at least in pittsburgh at the point that we are going to have that problem very, very soon but we are seeing in neighborhoods very high, price is going up. >> well, one of the most exciting things. in fact, that the suburbs have to offer so if you look at rtp, we purchased, the foundation purchased 100 acres about two years ago and on that a half a million scare feet of old 1980's buildings. the first was lift turmoil down and, but my wife and i, you know, give credit to my wife, she always has the best ideas. why don't you take one of them, one one one of the criticism is open up, we back all the dreamers, believers, creators, we make the
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first whole floor of the space creative. the day of marble ferns are done. keep it affordable. we opened it up. we did fun things in the lobby and that kind of thing, the space is completely full. we have over 30,000 people use it over the last year. it's completely open to anybody who comes in the door. you don't -- you don't have to have membership or anything. so what happens is we have teachers mixing with artists, meeting with start-ups. we have the bunker, the group and shared news room cooperative of journalists, bloggers, and it has become one one of the hottet co-working spaces. i think it doesn't take anything away from urban, but let's be honest, we have all of these buildings in the suburbs, we can't tear them all down. we have to think about recycling them. now the question is how do we do that but also connect to all of
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the things that everybody wants in terms of services. most of them are located in island. i think it's a fascinating challenge. >> transportation -- >> always transportation. >> yeah. >> coming from a very small country like holland i'm impressed about how vast the spaces are. as a businessman i learned first you fix what needs to be fixed, then worry about what can go wrong ten years from now. >> you know, university city in filly is 138 square miles, university city is one square mile, 7-air mile, the city is 130. we have so much to do because people in jobs just flew out of these cities. the days of marbles are done. no more trump towers?
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[laughter] >> oh, no. >> congratulations to the authors. the gig economy, didn't hear it once. and i think about the job mix match that you talked about. how do we fill in the blanks besides affordable housing for those who are in the gig economy and move around? and i also would love if you would address places like portland, maine doesn't have a large university and -- >> great food, though. >> exactly. and very attractive from all the other demographics that you've described here today in doing a lot of the same things. they better hurry up unless you have some other answer. and that's what i'm asking. >> on portland, first of all,
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500 million -- >> i asked about maine. >> i don't know enough about portland maine. you're not going to turn every little town into a brain belt, you know. so there's lots of work to be done in lots of different places, but to know that we've gone from basically two spots where things were happening to already 30 spots where things are happening, that's already a very big change and so this will grow. if you see talking about mississippi because mississippi state university has great research on also new materials, then you see that this will spread and spread. that's what i hope and believe. >> in north carolina we have a real economy that's struggling.
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there's no way that the success of the research in charlotte can carry the whole state. so -- so when we meet and talk with a lot of these communities, one of the things we talk about is one leveraging your community colleges, they're tremendous. our public system has obligation to serve the state. connect to them. it doesn't have to be fiscal, you the virtual world. the universities would love to do more connections, take advantage of that. number three, they come to see you and want to clear rcp, that's 50 year's old. what you really have to do is leveraging our own assets. what is it that's wonderful about your community. addly i would say to many of the communities over the last 20 years have fallen to the wal-mart and suburb sort of approach. when start to go look like every place else, what they have to do is take a look back, what defined the character of your
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location and embrace that, not every europe in the world wants to live downtown. some would love to live in small town that is have bicycles and have great places to eat and connected to the world. a set of things to strive for. what are the measures they could reach for? many of them needs those kind of metrics and tools and resources but we are not going to get to everybody but we can make a difference for some. >> but one of the examples of that leveraging, you know, i know from ohio to pittsburgh a year ago, it's really interesting jobs, they don't have a research institution, per say, the strong university, but really leveraging their reputation of us takennability, of, you know, liberal town into
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entrepreneurial and that might be a model. >> no state government in the state of maine. >> when i think about the geographic features of cities in america, they're inland and high elevation, access to fresh water torques what extent do you think rust belt cities can leverage receive sillians to complete now and in the future with the coast and the sun belt? >> we start it had cleveland water alliance to leverage assets there. there's a pack for the great lake states with the governors
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on climate change and climating issues and aligning. it's definitely a challenging issue. you need to figure out how to bring policy together that can both embrace that. that's the bread and butter of phil, a lot of those regions while you can take advantage as you're saying of fresh water and other assets. i think that the cities are cool. i mean, they just have the ministers started -- hipsters of that cool look, some of the newer towns just can never, you know, capture that. so just a quick side note. >> in rtp we are nowhere near
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the ocean and we have some lakes, but we don't have a port there, but one of the things interested in organic food. so within our 7,000 achier research park we are asking all of the green grass we have been growing, can we turn those into garden spaces and make that part of the living experience and can the food come out of the park, so there's a whole series of things. this gets back to as well a lot of regulatory issues that don't necessarily give communities the ability to be that flexible. >> right. >> and i think that's where we can do some work as well, locally to make it possible for us to be more creative and imaginative within our urban and
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suburban spaces. >> the hot spots but to cool spots. >> missed opportunity. >> i've got some twitter questions here. >> this is a question from laura putra, staff writer industry week, will the new jobs in the cities approach the number of jobs to offshoring and automation? >> you want to take that? >> bruce that is done more research on this, but will it, yes, has it, no. i'm, this takes time. we did a lot of outsourcing. we did a lot of damage and to repair damage you don't do overnight, but as i said, you know, we have an economy now that is ten million, ten million off high-tech jobs and advanced industries and et cetera, and that's a lot of jobs. and when we went around -- there are a lot of anecdotal examples
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in portland, oregon, for example. you go to place -- some of the renovated place. there were about 250 people working there, gone, you know, empty. you know, drug use in lobby, now building lawyers, small companies, everybody sharing brain power and there are now 400 people working in that building. that's the kind of thing you will see but it takes time. >> just to build on that question, you know, let's talk about the elephant in the room, china. i mean u is it changing our relationship with china? rebecca you talked to me last night about this very interesting partnership that you talked and how that's evolved,
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are we now talking about a new collaborative relationship? >> i think we can have a cooperative relationship and we have deep history, the university of pittsburgh in 2011 helped shinau university actually start their medical school. and so we have at any one time 20 to 40 medical students on our campus working with our -- in our research labs and researchers. and so that's the relationship created, the opportunity to now have the technology commercialization and transfer discussion. so we signed an mou with just a few months ago with shingau and related venture park and with our tech-transfer offer to be able to connect opportunities that need because, remember, a lot of the work is in science
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and stalk about where the consumers and the regulatory environments slightly different and then also, though, there's chinese companies, entrepreneurs that are entering the u.s. market. so there's a lot of synrgy between the two and we are talking about leveraging that relationship to create the biohealth connection. i think that those relationships that you can look for that be creative, can connector role, can really help leverage -- >> bruce, just as we said, don't count out the old economies. we are not saying don't count out china. [laughter] >> this is a very important country for the chewture and will remain important country for the future. when we had the book ready it went to frank ford book fair.
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i'd never seen this on the first day the book was brought for translation. they have been the manufacturing of the world. they know deep down in their heart that they are very, very good. i mean, excellent, much better than we are at sinking inside box. they it's a threat or something and thinking outside the box. believe me, i have seen the transformation. they will catch on fast. >> last question. i'm sorry. >> thank you very much for a great presentation. i'm elliot, former world bank. you mentioned driverless cars
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and the current issue of the economist magazine, article on china's progress and pioneering and what does this kind of competition offer to rust belt centers? >> the competition change all of the time. i read that article, sure, they are beginning to develop the expertise, but google has been at it 10 years or so. when it comes to really smart products, i think united states and to some extent various european places have an enormous head-start because of this sharing of brain power. what we sometimes forget is that
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political revolutions are noisy and bloody. economic revolutions kind of creep up on you and that is what's happening now. what we are seeing is an economic revolution, we just don't get it yet. just think about how you have learn today live with your smartphone. how do you now go to a library to look up in the book, no, you do it right in your pocket. it just happened and you never even noticed it. it's a revolution. >> i will tell you, working in the research triangle park, you have people say to you all of the time, what do you think about what they're doing in china, what do you think about what they're doing in boston, what do you think about what they're doing in silicon valley. teddy roosevelt said it best, comparison is the theme of joy. [laughter] >> you can sit around and obsess about that, just get on with it.
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just get on with doing stuff. make a difference. work with people, make things happen. i'm a great optimist and i just believe that -- have faith in people and effort and make investments and get on with it and things will happen. >> i want to bring rebecca into this because rebecca was part of this network of fti which stands for, faith, science and technology. they came up with this fictional federal program or policy or initiatives that probably everyone in this room will support and build directly out of this book and then they pulled this fictional program, and what were the poll numbers? >> incredible. >> innovation science technology for economic prosperity and so
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it basically -- university research, commercial engine that could get those things out and then the intermediary organization and pull different elements in battleground states, 92% approval rating and 87% across the whole. and the interesting thing is we said, would you pay for it and the most we tried was gasoline tax, so people would pay 54%, so they would pay a gasoline tax to be able to fund increase, research and development and increase portals and what was interesting, it was signed by both democratic and republican polling agency, and you know the whole polling methodology. so i think it's an incredible opportunity to be able to leverage the fti and innovation
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advocacy council. the book gives a lot of creditability to bring back to city leaders and really be able to talk about what needs to happen if we accelerate this transformation. >> the era of cheap is over, the era of smart has begun. thank you the press, thank you the panel. [applause] [inaudible conversations]
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>> here are a look at the books that are being published this week. two senators are releasing memoirs this week. and in the art of tough, california barbara boxer talks about her years in public service. both senators will be appearing in book tv in the next couple of weeks. numerous acts of arson and bombings in vietnam war. feminist in the white house by san diego state university associate professor of women studies dorene. first female assistant to the president under jimmy carter.
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history of racism in america in white rage. look for the titles in bookstores this coming week and watch for the authors in the near future in book tv. >> it was a little bit like that. 20 years ago there was a structure in place. the big man ran the region. the assad family, gadhafi, saddam hussein and it was established, locked in place, like all the road houses there was a lot of appearances, on the inside there was tremendous rut, and the rut was ignorance, corruption, religious tensions that were kept at baby strong man activities those carried out by saddam hussein but if you don't open the windows and open the doors and don't spend any money on it, it gets worse.
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that situation was very fragile paradigm and you could put your finger to the wall and instead the united states put the shoulder through a rock and started a sequence of events that we are living and experiencing to this day. so eight years of direct military action start today destroy the status quo and unleash all of the rot, all of the demons that have been pent up with it and the very soon to be eight years of the obama administration we saw inconsistent policies and they were supporting to revolution in egypt and then days later not supporting in barain and supporting in libya and then not supporting in syria. kind of decision-stagging through the middle east and the combined effect of these two, of eight years of military action
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and very soon to be eight years of this kind of zig-zag unleashed all of the rot that was in and the old system, the middle east that aarrived to in cairo is broken. if you continue this model, what we are going to see next. egypt is the first example of that and more to come. the people of the region are going to embrace this, but they should be very careful what they wish for and after periods, following chaos, strong men and dictators and really bad things
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can happen. i think our governments and other governments around the world will reach out and embrace these leaders and it doesn't have to be a choice or chaos or dictators but after the chaos we are going to reach back and i hope one day if there's people in this room who have influence maybe they can help find a third path and guide the region to some place where you have leadership and you have responsible governance but it doesn't have to be saddam hussein as a rock. >> here is a look at upcoming book facer and festivals around the country, the san francisco chronical is hosting the bay area book festival in downtown berkeley california on the first weekend of june. later in june we head to chicago
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of live coverage of lip fest. then in new york the 13th annual roosevelt reading festival held at the franklin d. presidential library and museum and this year harlem book fair on july 16th. for more information about the book fairs and festivals book tv will be covering and to watch previous festival coverage click on book fair's tabs booktv.org. >> c-span brought to you as a public service by cable or satellite provider.

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