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more economic freedom in hong kong today than there is in america. i mentioned with the regulatory side of things there is more economic freedom in scandinavia than in america. but i think overall this is a country with the greatest wealth, and greatest amount of pent up opportunity. at the root a love of opportunity. living in an opportunity-rich society is not easy because you are not entitled to anything. you do have to take responsibility. you are not guarantee. a lot of people in this country, basically not a majority don't want nat. they want to be taken care of. they want security. that only comes, that kind of security, only comes at the expense of other people. if we want a society where everybody has unlimited opportunity to make the most of
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their lives, here is the place to fight for. we can learn a lot from the other countries but at the end of the day, i think there is something special about america that we should be fighting to build on. >> host: i certainly agree with that. everybody should read "equal is unfair" and get the different perspective on inequality that you don't get from the press today. >> 48 hours of non-fiction books and authors every weekend. here are programs to watch for. on saturday night on after
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words, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell discusses chis life in politics and his new book. >> all majorities are fleeting and depending on what the american people decide this november i could be the minority leader next year. ...
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from noon until three pm eastern. then sunday night at 1115 eastern, cbs 60 and its correspondent leslie stahl discusses the science behind grandparenting. her new new book about grandparenting. she introduced colleagues, friends, doctors and scientists about the changes in women as they transition to the role of grandparent. go to cspan.org for the complete weekend schedule. >> well hello congressman. >> it is so good to see you. >> likewise. >> well i read the book.
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it brought back so many memories. >> i bet it did. >> i'm so proud of this book and you must be very proud of it. it should be required reading in every college and university. >> what were you thinking about when you decided to write this book. >> we've set had such a phenomenal change in women in politics, on the democrat side at least. people have been asking me to write this book for years. in the process i was remembering all of these remarkable women and wonderful races and wins in the world is on a different place when you look at the congress now. three quarters of the women are democratic women. we are very proud of that. they are making a trip difference just like you are. you see them an action all the time. >> yes, absolutely. i think back to when i first
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came into office and i want to thank you because we didn't spend as much money in those days so $60000 was huge in those days. and very appreciative of your support, as as many women are. i just want to ask you, last year when you walked into the room where thousands of women had gathered under the leadership and we had, hillary was our main gas. what did it feel like walking in that room? >> it was wonderful. it was our 30th anniversary and it was a real power event. it was so much fun.
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they had announced the day before that they were retiring. i was introducing her. i gave her up copy of the profile we sent out in 1986. she became she became the first democratic woman ever elected to the senate. >> that was our first election. >> that was our first victory and it was so poignant at that moment to have her retiring. then of course there was a lot of excitement because hillary hadn't officially decided whether she was going to run for president. at 1. i said to the crowd, do you want hillary to win? everybody leapt to their feet. i'm smiling down at her and looking over at nancy pelosi whose laughing. it was a very fun night. >> i was watching you and i was thinking to myself that night,
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what must must she be thinking? she created this. she is walked into this room with all of these women who have received the support from emily swift with the powerhouse of women and the congress of the united states. it doesn't get any bigger than that. but you know, i also also thought about, how did she come to believe that somehow she had the power that there would be more women elected into office and she had to do something about it. that group that you put together to say no more women, we've got to have a woman elected to the u.s. senate in her own right. >> i didn't think big thoughts. i was very frustrated and angry and a group of us on the political caucus and equal rights amendment shared the frustration.
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why aren't there more women in office. we hear all the time about women who would go to the party establishment, they would say i'm ready to move up to congress, will you help me i've got a district with attack track record and support. the guys would lean back and say you can't win, were not going to give you any money. well, of course, when they couldn't give them any money, the women were stuck. there were caught in this visit vicious circle. they couldn't raise any money because no one thought they would win. this group of mindset if we told the people we know about the women running, we could win a lot of money for them and so let's start a network can do that for them. >> we began in our basement with 25 people sending out letters. it was was a far cry from our 30th anniversary celebration. >> is that when you decided to name it emily swift? i thought emily was the name of your mom or something.
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i didn't know what it meant. >> some that i named it after myself. i said no no, it's named after emily. we did that because we wanted to raise early money. we thought if we gave women credit by raising early money they could raise the additional money they needed to win. we were little venture capitalist. we were the kick starter for women. it stands for early money is like yeast. we make the dough rise and we been doing that ever since. >> can you repeat that just one more time. then all of the people you have supported will know what it means and they will stop thinking it's the name of your mom. >> it stands for early money is like yeast and we make the dough rise. >> that's fabulous. embarking on what you embarked
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on, you had wonderful wins. you have had at least the disappointment at one point. >> harriet woods was the first race in 1982 that galvanized us. we were so angry that she hadn't won in the in the senate race because the democratic establishment never believed she could win that senate seat. they she ran out of money and lost by 25000 votes. they miss the opportunity. we were so disappointed about that. we were motivated to change that so in 1986, when six, when our first election came along, unfortunately harriet didn't win
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it was a tremendous disappointment. she went on to had the women's political caucus and do so much for women in missouri. of course our victory was senator mikulski. >> in reading my the book, my heart was breaking when you described how much she had done until election day and the polls showed all of that. if she had only had the money to put in, she could could have won that race and as it turned out, she just lost the last day or two of the election. >> she did. that was happening back then too. when a candidate doesn't have money to defend themselves and set the record straight that there are positive reasons to support them, they just become sitting ducks and that's what happened to her. she was doing great and up in the pole and pulling in the lead and then boom. the ax fell.
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it was a terrible thing in 1982 and were sorry she didn't make it in 1986. >> from the book you describe the rise of nw pc. >> that's how i first knew about you. you were active in the caucus. you and the whole group of people were working with them to get equal division. women were equally represented. another person that i learned of and got to know was and richard. >> oh my goodness yes. she said she would not have become governor had she not gotten support from emily. she made that very clear wasn't she wonderful.
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i still remember that speech. do you remember that speech. >> yes, from convention. she had to classic lines. one was poor george referring to large senior bush who was running for president. he can't help it. he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. the other one which is such a classic now is ginger rogers did everything fred astaire did, only backwards and in high heels >> she was wonderful. i loved her because she was confident and capable but she also shared her life with all of us. >> she did. she had a real struggle with alcoholism and she stopped drinking but she was very open about it.
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she said her opponent attacked her for it. there were all these and you end owes about her drinking and doing drugs. just awful things. we stayed with her through that. >> i think they appreciated the honesty and openness. we talked about a lot of key women in the women's movement at that time and of course my friend bella. >> these women who were all active, and i think about it today when we talk about issues like equal pay for equal work. back then, we were on top of the issues. some of the younger women thought this was new in that it
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was just getting started. i'm sure you have memories. >> women like them are wonderful congresswomen and have done many things to help promote to support women. when ronald ragan came in in 1980 and the republicans took over the senate, they, they started undoing all the things that we had and the women's movement trying to get past. we said, when we started in 1985, we said it matters who chairs those committees and sets the agenda and has the ability to control what legislation is heard and voted on. we decided to support only democratic women who was the first national organization to support candidates democratic
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candidates. everyone before that was bipartisan. now you see this huge divide and it's very simple to understand why we might support only democrats. it was a brave move back in those days. >> absolutely. not only in those support at the federal level but you went on to support at the state level. this is a good example of how women in positions to make public policy can create change. >> that's right. i was just in florida. there's a wonderful woman there who in 1990 was in the senate leadership for the democratic party. she said if you help me elect some women, we can take over and become majority and i will make sure that we make good congressional lines. in 1992, the congressional district line committee and we
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ended up electing karin brown. we elected three new women from florida because the work we did would help at the state level to help get more women into congress. >> that's a real example of power and organizing to exercise power. so in all of this, numbers paint a picture. how many women do you count having been elected because of the support now? >> let me put it in context. there has never been a democratic woman elected governor of a large state until and. there were 12 democratic women
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and we were about 5% of the democrats in the house. republicans were about the same level. they were 11. there had never been a democratic woman elected. what we had was 11 democratic governors during that time. the 12 very lonely democratic women in the house, we've added 110 women to the house. >> that's powerful. >> it's phenomenal. >> we've helped 19 democratic women get elected to the senate. on the democratic side, you see a real shift in women in the room. i'm sure you see it with the democratic caucus and who's going to be leader. there are a lot of women. >> aren't you proud of nancy pelosi. >> absolutely. >> she has done a phenomenal job. even before that, she emerges as
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perhaps the most powerful speaker that has ever led the house, and so she's done a great job. >> she's a brilliant strategist. >> she really is. >> shoes tough as can be. >> absolutely. when she was elected leader, when the people were going to challenge her. one was the california congressional and then all the women we helped elect to the house. when she was sworn in there were 50 women on the floor that day she took office. i was so proud. it was so exciting. she has been true to her efforts for women. she's organized women, she still tries to seek out women so she
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is doing emily's list for good to help women encourage to win. how much work was emily's race? i think it was more than $400 million. that's what that's what happens to early money that is like yeast. >> it's amazing because when we started there were not women political donors. women didn't write checks to politicians. now barbara mikulski used to laugh and say i do anything to get money. i had bakes bake sales for barbs, bowling for barb and barbecue for bar. women would give her five or $10 but that was it. we had to kind of show women that it would give to politicians that they wanted to support and we would tell them a lot about what was going on in the campaigns, what are we doing with the campaign so they had a lot of confidence about where
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they were investing. over the years we have turned emily's list into this powerful financial resource. about 90% of our funding comes from women. >> absolutely. if you could describe in a little detail, how you put together the information, how does that process work? >> we essentially invented political fundraising. back in the 80s, everybody got their money from committees. they have legislative agendas so they support incumbents. legally they can only give up to 5% of their election. our members were smart people. instead of just contributing, why don't we raise money for them. in the early days i would do
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events for emily's list. you pay $100 to be dollars to be a member for two years and we will give you information about democratic women running for office. they will be women that have a real chance of winning. we won't waste your money. we will give you information we send out a profile that tell you what's happening in the race with the opponents and what the candidates positions were and then each member can decide, i like this candidate and i'll make out a check to her. if you had 1000 people writing a check to barbara mikulski, you could raise $100,000 opposed to the $5000. it revolutionized the process.
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>> it absolutely did. i was looking at all the women who have been beneficiaries of this program. i was there. i went to help her out and of course emily's list ran the case. >> the story, it's a lot more fun when you read it in the book with all the characterizations. basically she was an african-american woman in the states representing milwaukee, the urban milwaukee. she was wonderful on foods damps and housing issues that helped her poor community, but she had no capacity to raise money. she didn't do special interest in politics. she was running in an open seat in a primary, the winner of the
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primary would go to congress and the political establishment said we have this guy, he's going to be the front runner, he is supported by the governor, by the the strongest man in the congressional delegation. how do you get this poor african-american woman to beat a front runner that everybody is convinced is going to win and have all the big political support. emily's list and gwen and her incredible grassroots network got together and it was a phenomenal opportunity to add a great woman to congress. she ended up beating him with over 60% of the the vote. the political world was in shock it's a wonderful story to read. >> it really is. i want you to no, just as you're describing her and what she cares about, she just had a conversation with me and she
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said you know, i've got to do something about welfare. i love love being on the financial services committee but i'm really thinking of going elsewhere. i just feel that this is my responsibility to do it and she's willing to give up seniority on the committee to go into that work. i was so proud of her because not many people want to do that work. she's just the woman that you are describing. >> that's just too she is. she sees a problem problem and she tackled it. >> absolutely. i'm looking at some of the more recent women who comes from arizona. she comes with a very wonderful background. she's a very smart woman. she's basically conservative. she's been able to come and make her mark.
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what are the kind, what growth do you see from the time you first met us to watching some of the new women come in? do you see that we have grown in sophistication? do you see that you're more competent? i can imagine seeing some of us when we first started and think were going to do the best we can. one of the things that i've been delighted by and hadn't anticipated was that there's a whole group that has been in congress for quite a while and you've gotten a lot of seniority. you have a critical position on financial services. we see that, both in the house and the senate. that's why barbara mikulski was chair of the appropriations committee when democrats held the senate. you see these wonderful strategic women who not only
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were the first to go from their area but learn and be smart and strategic with nancy leading the way for all of you and now are making a tremendous difference in these leadership positions. that is so exciting for me to watch all these women senators and congresswomen chairing committees and making a lot of trouble and things are going wrong from the other side. it's really phenomenal to watch. >> you're absolutely right. nancy has helped to put women in position to do good work. when you look at some of these other women, they are exercising power because they've been enabled by a woman leader. you can't help but be so very proud of them. so, i want to say one thing
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about that. there's always these evil canards about women who don't help other women. that is not true. nancy is the greatest example of that. she has opened doors for women all the time. she expects you to do a good job but she really make sure that women have a fair chance to lead and appoints them to critical positions over and over again. and she's in this power position where she is called on in all directions. not all democrats are progressive. she remains progressive. she works on these very difficult issues were often times we have segments of our own caucus. she has not wavered. she will come to you and not only offer to be of assistance
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and lead in the caucuses. i'm very pleased to have the opportunity to serve with nancy and to serve under nancy. but here you are, you are the founder and creator of emily's list. >> i call myself the pushy brad. >> that's okay. that's all right. it gets the job done. >> history is going to record you, as the founder, the visionary who really understood, even when you didn't know a lot about politics. you just knew something was wrong. something was wrong with this picture. not only are you a young woman, i think your parents were republican. i don't even know how you didn't end up being a republican, but you didn't. >> that's what my mother said to me. >> you went back to school and
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got an mba because you wanted to be able to exercise business knowledge and you wanted to be able to even use your inheritance, you didn't want to let that go away. you had the power and the fortune and you wanted to do it right. you went back to school while you are working. you were a determined woman. i think we were so fortunate in a way because as i graduated from college in 1969, it was at the height of the antiwar movement, civil rights movement and so we were in this churning active crazy time to be young and to learn. i remember going up to
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philadelphia and knocking on doors for jean mccarthy because he was the candidate. so we learned a lot, we've got got skills and everything and there's a lot of conversation about millennial voters and their support of bernie sanders and of course i support hillary. some people think that's terrible and i said well i don't. that's what happened to me when i was in my 20s and young and starting out. i think it's great that these new people are getting political and learning skills. i hope they have the bug just like i caught it. there are a lot of millennial women out there who will be leaders in organizations moving forward and who knows, maybe they will even run for president. >> not only did you have the bug and you were concerned about women, you had a social conscience. you had something special that happened to you when martin luther king was killed.
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that helped even motivate you even more. it's one thing to arrive at this leadership position and have resources and be able to gather more resources but it's another thing to use that power for the good of people. >> i got that from my mother. my mother was a woman of her generation who believe that when you got married and you stopped working you got married and started your family. but she was always very active in a volunteer in the organizations in our community. she ended up being the head of the united way and was always involved. all during my childhood, i saw this woman giving back, believing that she had responsibility to help and that became my role model. it was a little funny in the
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beginning. one year in college, i decided i wanted to work at job training because in my naïve 20-year-old way, i decided if we could only get people skills, they could all get jobs and poverty would be over. i said to mom, could you hook me up with somebody in a job-training place. she called the head of the job training agency in newark and they had me come in as a volunteer over the summer and i taught people how to read and i did a lot of administration work. i was sitting in this cubbyhole and this person comes by and looks at me and goes back looks at me goes back and i said can i help you and she said are you the volunteer and i said yes, she said i just wanted to see what a volunteer from the government looked like. so i actually became a tourist attraction in new jersey as
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being the only volunteer in a government agency. >> was that the place where you made this radical decision to wear pants? >> that was in college. >> oh, i see. it's so funny to consider that radical and revolutionary, but it was. >> while it's kind of me, i have done a lot of things to create social change but it's always been within the confines of the process. years and years ago i met a wonderful man named charlie butcher who was an entrepreneur. i was trying to figure out why we were succeeding and what it meant and he said you're an entrepreneur. he said you know when you start a company, you can't take on your big competition. he said i can't take on proctor and gamble head-on. though swat me like a fly and i won't get anywhere. it's like failing.
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if you want to get anywhere, you half to pack to get where you're going. i just thought that is delightful. that is what emily's list does. some people sell right into the wind and they don't get anywhere. they yell at the wind. but emily's list and i know yourself, we pack where we are going we get the power of the wind and we get to where were going eventually. >> that's an excellent way to describe how to get to where you want to go. how does it feel to know that the next president of the united states is going to be a woman? >> it feels good but i'm not celebrating. we have a lot of work to do. it's going to be a nasty general election.
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>> are we ready? >> yes were prepared for the struggle. >> hillary clinton is the most phenomenal woman i have ever met i know people say that about politicians but i'm telling you, this woman knows so much about so many things and is so committed. she is the child of the 60s who committed herself to making a difference in people's lives. she has done it ever since the children's defense fund and running for president. i won't be happy until it's over but i can sometimes imagine going to that inauguration seeing a woman raise her hand and take an oath of office. >> i envision that and i listen to her last evening. she talked about her vision for what is possible and she said, i
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think think in the most profound way that there's gloom and doom that's being preached about, how we don't have favor in the rest of the world and how were not respected, she said no, this is a great nation and we can look forward to better things and so it was very hopeful and i think we needed that. she had a wonderful speech. she so smart. >> i think this will be an incredible contrast. it looks like it's going to be donald trump. he is certainly the voice of anger and blaming people and dividing people and she is the voice of how do we pack to get where were going. how do we come together as the united states of america. so it's going to be a big debate
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his anger going to come forward and say we reject that or are people going to say it's true, this is a a powerful country that's doing phenomenal things and we are proud and let's move forward. >> that was her message and it was so welcoming. i felt so good listening to her. it was a hopeful message the other thing that's happening with this campaign is a lot of the younger women are learning a lot about how women have been treated and how trump continues to be disrespectful and dismissive on women and this is a great learning lesson for a lot of the young people who thought that was behind us. so many of these young people are going to be at emily's door
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it's going to inspire them to run for office and so i think emily's list is going to continue to grow and continue to inspire women to be elected to office and continue to raise money and be as powerful as any other lobbyist group in washington and that's exciting. i know that you have to feel good about that. every day when you get up in the morning and think about it. i want to tell you, you are an example of someone who has created something powerful. you've made it grow and much has resulted from your work with all these women being elected to office. how did you decide you're going to turn the leadership over.
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that's hard to do, to say well, i've done it and it's time for me, how did you decide to do that? >> it took a while. it took giving it some thought. i was the head of emily's list and i thought it was time for new leadership. i thought it was time for a young person that could speak to this next generation coming up who was very internet comfortable and savvy. i also wanted someone who could do the political strategy and it's very hard and politics to find people that both get the marketing and the political strategy and they found the perfect woman that is stephanie who has been president since 2010 she was finance chair for howard dean when he ran for president. it was the first internet
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fundraising success story. then she ran to senate campaigns two of the closest senate races, taking back republican senate seat. she's brilliant strategically and they couldn't be more proud because it really does say to me that emily's list is going to continue. after five years we have 3 million members doing phenomenal work. we are going to be a force for voters and stephanie is the leader of the future. >> how much time did you spend with her when you decided you were going to make this big transition into new leadership? >> we had a lot of conversations in the beginning then i had to step out of the way and let her go and become the leader of the organization. it was not easy for me. i have to tell you, everybody said no founder leaves an organization.
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it's always a failure, don't worry about it. the good thing thing is stephanie and i are both very competitive and we were determined to make it work. and we did. so i am very proud. i chair the board so i'm still involved but it is very clear that emily's list is being led by stephanie. >> what advice would you give young women in particular about running for office. do you help them to understand that it is extremely competitive and you have to be involved in raising money and you're going to have good days and bad days and people you thought loved you are supporting somebody else. what you tell women? the first problem we have.
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>> the first problem we have is to get women to run. it's not because they're not interested in running but were too deferential. we would talk to women and do this training all the time. i used to talk to members and laugh. i'd say if you asked a man to run for a state senate he would probably say no i'm running for president. i don't have time to run for the senate. you talk to a woman about running for office and shall say you know, i've always wanted to do that but no one has ever asked me to run. one of the things we do, and i'm going to do it right here in this conversation. we want you to run. if you care about what's going on in your community and issues, go ahead and give it a try. we will help you. other organizations will help you. it's important women step up and walk run. we need need women to make politics work better. that's our first challenge and
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i'm happy to say that when we do it with them, with emily's list and other people in our training session, they session, they jump in and start running. it's terrific. >> it is terrific. you have a few women who decide they want to run. does emily's list get cold calls and say i heard about this organization. i'm not sure what you do but i heard you help women. will you help me if i run? >> absolutely. we have a training program and we do get cold calls. one of the problem we have is that there's thousands of state legislator races. we wish we could do what we do for congressional races but we don't have the resources for that period were happy to give people the skills and help them understand what it means to run
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for the state legislature. there really is little out there that helps any candidates know how to run. we do that for women and get them started and were always getting people calling who want to run for congress. we are out there looking for women all the time, no matter what the level. we have someone there calling into the community, who should we talk to, we talked to our allies and were talking to people all the time. >> that was their mission at one point, not only to encourage women to run but go after appointments and other commissions and opportunities that women never thought they would have access to.
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this business of outreach and encouraging and supporting women and help them understand that it's possible as part of the job that emily's list is all about. in addition to raising all that money. so, women are interested in running for office, they can call emily's list and begin the conversation. >> yes, let's get started. then if you want to know who's out there running, go to emily's list because we will tell you who the candidates are that have a chance for running and need help. that helps all kind of people become venture capitalists. >> okay, well i guess the days of being told and who's going to take care of the children and prepare the food and how are you going to get the kids to little
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league, is that just about over? >> you know i think it's not totally over, but what has changed, in the beginning, when you were running in the early days and we hadn't seen women in congress, when a woman would run, people didn't know what it was. what would a woman in congress be like? i can't even imagine such a thing they had no reference point. they revert to the gender stereotype roles. for -- poor candidates would get all that information. when voters got used to it and because now we've elected so many women to congress, congressional candidates don't usually get that nonsense anymore. but i think when you move up to the next level breakthrough
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another part of the glass ceiling, it all comes back. when nancy became the first woman speaker there was fascination on her close and grandchildren, everything. are you tough enough to take on president bush, are you smart enough to figure out how to bring democrats together? there's all these gender stereotypes that they would never ask a man, are you tough enough? hillary ran into thousand eight. it was awful. frankly even knowing this, i was shocked. these nutcrackers that look like her and just awful things. there's still conversation about her shouting.
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>> nobody says to bernie sanders, why are you shouting so much. >> i'll tell you what i'm worried about. i'm worried about the general election. i think donald trump who has managed to have every divisive button that there is, he's going to go back to that. i think what's going to happen is he's going to be in for a shock because they think you're right, women and men will now say don't go after that. she's done so much stuff about, if a woman challenges him, he immediately makes comments about their appearance and it's just awful, his ongoing obsession with megyn kelly. i think hillary will be a little bit of a shock to him. i think when he tries that stuff
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he will find out that there are a lot of people in this country that will say enough of that nonsense. you're running for president, let's get serious. >> that's right. well when i ran for office, i remember using the phrase why not a woman. i don't know if i got that from emily's list. what i discovered when i was running, many african-american women in the community are not accustomed to supporting women who had one and when i start to use that phrase, i'm running for office, it's time, why not, i started repeating that in the literature. >> was that cleaned. >> i think it came to came out of the era but i don't know if
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it was us. now when you see so many women doing wonderful things. i do think women governed differently. we have a concept of representative democracy. if you bring all kinds of people together and elect them to office, then you have policy to take care of our diverse country women even now are only 18% of the congress. we still have a long way to go. even having said that, you see all of this fighting and this nonsense and gridlock. when the country, when the government was shut down, it was a couple women on the republican side in the senate and on the democratic side coming together, finding a compromise and getting the government back to work. even john mccain said it was the women who really got the government back. >> your absolute right. not only ability to come
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together and have a consensus but on public policy, arbor boxer red, she made sure we had money for research on heart disease. barbara boxer, hillary clinton, help for the children, i created the veterans women center because veteran women were not being taken care of. it really makes a difference in public policy. it has changed this country. >> i'll tell you a wonderful hillary story that just shows what a woman will do to help women. she told me when she traveled as first lady and even in the senate, when the host country was putting the schedule together, she would say i want
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to work with your women leaders pitch she would go into the middle east countries and african countries that were so disrespectful to women and say i want to work with your women leaders. you can imagine the shock of the leaders in those countries. we have women leaders? go find me a woman leader. it gave the women so much power and confidence and attribute that they deserve. because the media was following hillary around, they learned who these women were and it gave them a cone of safety in these very difficult communities. she would do that over and over and over again. >> what a wonderful way to empower women. what about that great speech in china question yes, humans writes. >> we should not forget that she led internationally that way as first lady.
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again, going into areas where they were not even accustomed to shaking a woman's hand. she took that that kind of leadership. so, here we are, 2016 we have great leadership. thank goodness you're on the board. we like that. we look forward to more women seeking out opportunities to run for office and because of emily's list the have some place to call and ask about what it takes and what i need to do and what kind of support can i give. i want to tell you, i don't know how you give advice whether it's serving on the board or women calling you or picking up some story, but don't ever stop. >> thank you. enjoy the book because it has wonderful stories of victory and progress and social change for women and families. it absolutely does. >> it absolutely does and i
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meant it when i said that i think it should be required reading. it identifies other women and younger women to take up the mantle and get involved in this struggle for equal and just representation. have you have just said and pointed out, not only women getting elected to office help bring about change that would not take place, but for these women who are willing to walk across the aisle and take up public policy that others would not take up, you have proven that this country not only is a better place because of women but you have shown the power of women.
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you are recorded in history in a very special way and i'm proud of you. so many women are proud of you. with that, tell us, what else are you going to do? >> i believe that social change comes in little steps and then you go backwards and you have to fight and keep moving forward. so what i think you're going to see from emily's list is phenomenal wins in 2016 but i think women will help take back the senate, maybe even the house we are very strong candidates but we cannot take anything for granted. at some point, the pendulum swings back and they start taking away our rights. we see this this incredible assault on planned parenthood, the war on women and it is a constant process

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