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course of the last 10 years georgia has contributed to the nato efforts especially in afghanistan up until recently the second-largest contributor after the united states and in fact, they have suffered 32 casualty's and 282 wounded with a major sacrifice and our training program has ben prepared to prepare the troops including iraq and afghanistan but now we're starting to position herself to trade the troops for self-defense. >> do we have permitted troops on the ground? >> we don't plan to but we do plan to increase the tempo of exercises and
training is with georgia. >> well lessons have learned relative to the parade and crimea? >> the first is the one that dr. carpenter mentioned that we spent a lot of the last decade helping forces prepare for expeditionary deployments and not enough focus to strengthen his own home is security which we're trying to correct but the other lesson is the ability for you crave the best into dough is a successful european democratic georgia or ukraine to take maximum advantage that the countries have with europe so those
that we minister of the state department to squeeze out corruption. >> i have all of the respect for you and i am over time but i walk away with the feeling that dealing with russia and ukraine and russia in a georgia is seems like it is their fault because they are not quite as mustard as we want them to be until we have corrected issues the we have been an invasion and that occurred in sovereign territory being possessed by yet we talk about all this other stuff at the same level of the invasion a vasari to take issue. >> we cannot blame the victim we have to strike the country so they can resist
economically and politically >> secretary tom i had the chance to meet with the russians embassador earlier this year you referenced a difficult balance between cooperating with those areas with the bilateral treaties with the nuclear weapons program homework to strengthen the allies is it in the face of russian aggression. and convinced to do everything they can to protect the security council. em my wrong? what leverage do we have to stay the engagement and a concerted effort to put pressure on iran to stop the activity outside said j.p.
co pay with the expressed desire to rejoin the community? >> russia has selfie joy does against a nuclear threat from iran but having worked with russia over betty decades to encourage them to understand that the nuclear threat is a threat to russia also is the number one threat is the initial -- the missile threat to be secure in the confidence it cannot be on the other end therefore it has an interest to limit or stopping the missile program. >> i am interested in hearing the insurance initiative if the allies are confident to their security
and what they should be to read to provide support over areas of the cage and to it and it is my hope that our allies will be a few sigint continuing sanctions so what more should we do to strengthen our allies? >> and i think when we begin to supplement -- implement those portions rigo beecher radically have a significant deterrent impact on russia at the same time assure our allies we have the posture of said genuine war fighting equipment in place i think yeah their peace and we cannot neglect is working
with our nato allies and so as we talk of ottman bloggers data shows presents what we're doing with each of these allies but talk about increasing the threat we will be in a better place to have other allies with skidded the game with additional assets that they uniquely possess because of their proximity though aided featuring russia with the potential aggressive action. >> as to afford to the summit have we done everything we need to shore up been fully in gauge our allies so we have said terence at meaningful diplomacy and how you look at prudence ability for rational diplomacy?
>> and the two new pieces year over the past two years we have had the ad hoc approach of land and sea and air presence in the baltic with you have seen that the warsaw summit is a sustained approach to be confident they will have regular persistent support to make that much more routine and abnormal with a joint headquarters. the other piece that deserves highlighting is a spectrum of their resilience border security, integrated communication across domestic agencies, we have made some pretty good progress but to be as
vigorous in their support and we're working wombat with warsaw. with the ready is the unwillingness to negotiate there is an agreement on the table for a ceasefire access of a political package of decentralization with the withdrawal of weapons and they have taken the lead to see that implemented in the last month and a half we have increased the role the u.s. plays and our concern is making some progress with the political package we have not made up package from the national security
piece of real lot to push russia and the separatists to end the violence. >> good to see you again secretary. talk about the intermediate range that russia has been violating for quite some time and was finally made official but in response to administration said they are exploring the economic countermeasures. in the president's speech he committed to reading though world of the weapons for non-proliferation he said violations must be punished in the words must mean something this administration and has now said that they're considering economic sanctions against russia for violations of the treaty.
are they still in violation and when will the administration finally getting around to punishing this violation? >> as you have said we have found russian violations we are engaged in it discussions to bring them back to compliance with regard to the violations also working intensively with the warsaw summit to ensure that nato's o determines is updated in strong. and mrs. sol likens say at this point with an open hearing that we are working on a full range of options to make sure that russia cannot gain any certificate military advantage from a
system they may develop outside of the treaty also investing in u.s. technology is designed to deterred in defeat any provocation but further than that we have to be in another setting. >> and the open skies treaty and russia is failing to meet its obligations restricting access to the territories showing a repeated pattern of the nuclear forces so it is asking the open skies permission and used more powerful collection capabilities on flights over the united states. to me it sounds like approving such a request at least make it contingent upon russia first coming
into full compliance with the imf treaty and i'm interested in your thoughts. they have been restricting some overflights and the low altitude where they are eric restricting the open skies flight they have over chechnya other last couple weeks, they have reopened the fact in part due to the pressure we can bring to bear with those europeans in particular. but i thank you know that the first-round of russian request for higher definition cameras were within the constraints of the trees so from that perspective it will unilaterally restrict those flights that it would do the
same to west to make us less capable or sell sand lot of those potent visuals we're looking at data internally beckon also be a closed setting as well. >> to answer your question that yes rushes it is in violation of the treaty requirements ratoon deploy or flight test a missile within a range of 500 kilometers we're looking at a range more broadly of aggressive behavior is we're taking steps to include expanding and modifying air defense systems also with the allies and partners with advanced capabilities to you defend against cruise
missiles. with the open sky issue i would associate myself with their readiness secretary has said the treaty process provides a way for word for certification of the optical camera that is it used and so our ability to use this seems sensor down the road is impacted by the decisions we have today. >> are there additional security risks sample the abilities if they are allowed on the open skies aircraft? >> i am comfortable with the decisions we have already made we are reviewing these has to look at the next set of request from russia.
>> madam secretary as the primary election in draws close the kremlin is preparing the groundwork for another victory. the current tour itself has rubber-stamp laws targeting the electoral process to authorizing police force to open fire on protesters. the state sponsored ballot with those protests has evolved instead opposition for registering now is putin himself is repeated the has assassinations and attempts
and up who was poisoned near to death. in this bright as the campaign with a huge trade with the exception of sanctions to pass through this committee the administration has done relatively little to hold russia accountable or is in syria having to coordinate with russian forces with this common interest while hundreds of thousands have died and millions displaced or were they resist sanctions for missile violations of which they
support or in violation of the imf treaty for which two years we have had discussions with no consequences so i worry that the message that putin must be taking for responses is limit testing, and aggression and for all those scenes that i have listed among others. with those presidential elections we would expect putin to take advantage of those opportunities with the arbitrary violation of the treaties that suits his personal interest at the time. to push the ukrainians hired
and then we're feeling dramatically. and we don't even talked about crimea any more this violation of the imf treaty but there are no consequences end wire read more aggressively in teaching in diplomacy that can help us understand that there are consequences. and with those clear violations where we looking at more frozen accounts? i heard your testimony why
world that participated including our own secretary of defense carter. and to talk about the positions we are trying. and the tough line like the south china sea. and those such as the neighbor in china. and as they are responding to russia because it affects what is happening in asia and southeast asia and singapore. and with the lack of consequence.
in that is a great challenge whether you crave or syria or georgia they do see the consequences. in that is hurting the of leadership around the globe. in bed with the rules based order that we need to to counter the behavior china and then to work with russia to prevent iran with the nuclear threat to negotiate and implement the new s.t.a.r.t. treaty. but to have russia to accomplish following through
with united nations resolutions. with this latest round of sanctions we have difficult to have a deeper regime that we have had in the past. and better than some expected. >> are they complete the implementation? >> with of broad strokes. >> what is their position? >> russia has traditionally opposed the air defense
capabilities we provide to allies it europe and east asia. >> with the thread -- from the threat to north korea with the freedom of navigation and operations as well? >> i don't see them teaming up with china although clearly those powers are watching to see what they're able to get away with. >> has russia supported that? no. i would characterize it that they have not taken a vocal position one way or another. they have remained in the
background on this. >> we can have that conversation to walk through a true commitment to re nuclear free peninsula. this is the rand report that a russian invasion that it was published february 2016 has this assessment changed in your mind? >> it has the time distance a vantage if it is an aggressor in the baltic states and that poses certain limitations to overcome in terms of our ability to defend our allies.
along with war fighting equipment we're better able to deter russia in the first place. >> has that changed specifically since the report came out? >> we have done a number of our own exercises we have worked very carefully at the geography of the basin and the advantage the retaking steps to mitigate. >> so basically nothing has changed? sorry you saying you're reports agree with that assessment? >> by the end of 2017 was of the funding coming on line will be much better poised to address the challenges to deter russian aggression for where we are now we are
pre-positioning equipment on the ongoing basis seven '03 are significantly more advanced now from the rand report but i am convinced with the additional armored brigade combat team on the eastern flank that we will be. >> into mr. chairman for being here and your ongoing efforts as part of russia's campaign in eastern europe in the baltics and ukraine is to produce this information we're spending a lot of money on lots of ways to get the message out to eastern europe can you talk more about what we're doing
to respond to that propaganda? >> this has been an effort we have been working on very hard with members of congress and the senate's since 2014 and the total appropriation of usaid is about $100 million to counter russia propaganda that money goes for a number of things from russian language programming that is put out every day the expansion in the of radio free europe to about $88 million from 80 money to support independent media in journalism training including outside russian journalist who have fled we're also doing quite a bit
to bolster programing but this pales in comparison to the 400 million that russia is spending and frankly to the levels that we spin during the cold war which was over $1 billion per year >> talk about the substance of what we're doing and who we are engaging is it reporters who have fled russia who are helping us look at what types of messages we're using? are there others that are engaged in that effort with us? >> i will be 30,000 feet if you allow me to protect them that we do conduct training programs in various locations in europe for
those who have fled or who are trying to get training to go back in we support a number of russian language organizations in the baltic states and 10 other periphery countries that are denied to redress the day russian-speaking countries and counter russian propaganda we support russian language programming in the ukraine that has impacted as well and then this good portion that goes to this programming which is u.s. government content we do quite a bit to pull together efforts of the e.u. and the baltic states through consultation and the sharing of programming. >> you raised ukraine there is a number of questions around what is happening
with russia's failure to come play -- comply and there was a period it where there were some countries in europe they didn't seem to appreciate the extent it is a failure on russia's part can you talk about where we are with respect of the e.u. views this at this point and what more we can do to put pressure on russia to comply >> as i said in the opening i think we are cautiously optimistic the countries will rollover sanctions because they see what we see that it is far from being implemented. we have intensified our own diplomacy with the president and the chancellor to support with those countries
are doing they are pushing on to france to negotiate a fair political decentralization in deal which just across the line of a permanent enclave of russia but at the same time we're trying to get those commitments made for full access to have those implemented as a set at one point it is the security package that is not implemented well we have had a sharp spike in attacks over the last six weeks in particular it is we have had at conscious disabling of cameras so both with their own advocacy of every level those that do work with we
are calling this out we're working very hard to do support ukraine to support its obligations and with these disagreements. >> let me read a quotation from the same individual that said russia is chosing to be an adversary to the threat of united states and european allies and partners it doesn't just want to challenge the rules the rewrite them is that your assessment to date under vladimir putin? >> i have no problem with that characterization at all >> so ukrainian activist wrote about this and said he
calls it a farce will russia just getting to implement the agreement they are forcing bin next down the throat and it is much easier for the west to pressure on the ukraine and to forge a consensus to keep the pressure including sanctions on russia i seem to share those views given the fact it appears they're perfectly comfortable what they do with the consulate in the region as serious as distracting attention we don't talk to the ukraine as we once did part of the calculation putin had was exactly that it is a frozen situation and i walked in late when senator menendez was asking about this but why is he wrong when he characterizes the situation nobody pressures russia to comply but it they know our partners are pressuring the
germans especially to comply? >> getting the largest piece of leverage that we have is this a statement over two years of deep bin comprehensive sanctions of japan and canada so this is why we are advocating because those sanctions have to be rolled over we are continuing to press in response to senator sheen's point that the ukraine cannot be asked to vote on the political decentralization pieces and tell the prior actions that are demanded will cease fire with real access and has been implemented that is the frame we're using the q. crane does itself a disservice to be ready with
the election lot a and special status to employment with those are mapped to russia has not gotten the security conditions met. >> said you talk about the existing framework why not include sanctions their violations of an agreement they have not complied with in my right of stating your argument will be we don't want to go any further than our partners in europe? >> i was gratified bin then chief seven nations that met a couple weeks ago made clear that we are ready to increase sanctions if we need to the united states nattily maintains the sanctions but does regular maintenance to ensure they cannot be circumvented we
have done that on two occasions and are prepared to do that again. >> could there be an argument that this threshold that putin is ready to accept or do you argue that have impacted his behavior? >> i can tell you we have deterred further land grabs in the parade in the was a real risk for refer started those sanctions and i will tell you that russians are openly talking now about the pain including when we work with them so they know when it will take to get the sanctions will back and it is their choice to do what is necessary. >> what about crimea we no longer hear them mentioned is that a defacto is that a part of the conversations that it should be returned? >> i mention them in my
opening he speaks every time he speaks publicly we will maintain that crimea sanctions until they are returned rightfully to ukraine. >> i thought there was a thought it would be a boondoggle costing them to maintain that area but other than the geostrategic advantage to we have a sense of how many resources they have to maintain this? >> it is our estimate they are spending billions of rubles trying to maintain but it is the most concerning factor they are further militarizing crimea. >> i would just say absolutely russia is militarizing crimea they did put in very sophisticated capabilities in there.
>> they caretaking so much time with us. i know there was of a conversation but i wanted to explore the relationship bin context of the upcoming nato summit we are hopeful that we will continue on track to offer memberships to montenegro that native still has an open door policy for those that our ready despite the aggressive tactics of moscow but they will leave warsaw disappointed in the question remains if there is any future for georgia inside nato while there's
still a contest over these territories what i believe it isn't too militarily own ukraine but he wants to ruth continue a portion of that country so eventually it is such a political turmoil that it is much more friendly to their interests with his inner interest to make it clear to the russians to the extent they are successful of other places in the future that it doesn't prevent those countries from being eligible to lou drawing -- to join those institutions. so talk to me about what the future of georgia as membership is? i support a membership action plan at least but am concerned that without the settlement of the
territorial questions georgia will forever be disappointed walking away after the nato summit. >> senator i think we extended that the alliance will reiterate the message we have had since 2008 regarding your expectations of membership. one of the things we are seeking to do as an alliance is reorient the relations away from simply preparing to deploy and more towards a focus on homeland's security needs national defence resilience and working on backed but the best antidote to russia and pressure is a successful prosperous church of why we work so hard with
them on justice reform and rule of what and market access and encouraging georgette in its relationship with the european union as it implements the trade benefits to reach out to make a possible for them through tbilisi to have those benefits so that some day those parts of georgia maisie's stronger benefits from tbilisi from anything that is offered externally the you are right is the central to continue to be strong supporters of churches aspirations. >> we have talked about military assistance for the ukrainians many members of the senate have been disappointed of what we have
provided but it is not a coincidence that ukrainians have become much more effective that russian the dances and not a coincidence this has happened during the time over missiles we have been transferring technology and training resources but there is a success story of integration of the department of the defense and ukrainian military as to why all of insufficient we could hold so talk about the success of the partnerships of the ukrainian military. >> yes we have launched with ukraine a substantial training program as an advisory component that is a fairly substantial effort.