tv QA with Mark Green Part 2 CSPAN July 4, 2016 12:00am-1:01am EDT
hillary's america. several of these books have been discussed on book tv and you can find them on our website book tv.org. >> this week on q&a, part two of our interview with former public interest the lawyer and politician mark green. mr. green discusses his book bright infinite future, a generational more on the progression life. mark green has a bright infinite future. it's meant to do what? this is your 23rd book i think? >> two reasons. i wrote it for ava and otis who
are my grandchildren. there comes a point in life whether your 20 or 70 and you have to leave it a better place than when you entered it. i wanted them to learn lessons from my public life. second, as i had been running and holding office and losing for office and running uphill races, i was struck by two comments that framed my opinion. a famed conductor said a liberal is someone who believes in a bright infinite future. a conservative is someone who stands up for history yelling stop. that's a famous quote. that's it. a progressive leads in congress
and as fdr said in his convention speech, look, government can air and help people but better to make mistakes in the interest of helping people's lives than being frozen in the ice of and indifference. they tried things the republicans want to go back to the 1950 and 1850 and got only knows. it framed the theme of the book which is that the arc of my public life from the 60s to 16 tracked progressive majority in america. i was part of the movement that led to it. that progressive majority has
been obscured by all this chaos about the trump in the primary if they could throw, there's a natural progression that's going to be continued in my book with the democratic victory we could have the democratic nominee win the popular vote. this is part two of our two-part discussion on our book. >> just a quick catch-up, born in new york, 72 years old, graduate of cornell,. >> 71. >> you don't interrupt an esteemed artist, but you know,. >> harvard law school graduate and cornell graduate. i'd like to ship shift from
politics and go to media. how much media have you done in your life. >> as a hose, as a performer? >> i appeared on fire line with buckley and the first guest i interviewed was a young congressman with a lot of white hair named newt gingrich. i appeared in maybe 200 times on those shows so i got used to biting my head off if i had a bad adverb and they were always gracious and polite but if they made a mistake, i would know it.
>> whatever he says is wrong about sarah palin or trump or what ever have you. then it appeared, talking about my books and legislation and then when i was done with elected life, founded a national, syndicated radio show. it's now in its sixth year. it's called both sides now. it's distributed by premier. both sides radio.com, if i could. i ended up i ended up the last president of air america radio which is shutting off the lights of the titanic, i guess. the book describes the rise in dissent
and why it failed can you talk about why he did what you did. >> the show is back. not only do they have to face the teasing and taunts of kids in school with adequate health insurance, they now have more and more severe health problems. they join us this hour to talk about some horror stories she has seen plus the national review talks about how our founding fathers would react to the limit.
>> how many years did you and your brother run as opponents? >> one. >> what year. >> well, it was 2007 that my brother who said, how's your america going because i had been a substitute host. i said the content is great but it's losing money. looks like it's going into chapter 11 bankruptcy. he said maybe i'll buy it. he wanted to do something more in the public arena than just bricks and mortar. he bought it and made me president of it and the very good legacy of air america, if
if i may, it produced rachel, mark maren, al franklin, you, you don't get people who are talented or funny than they are. but, it hemorrhaged money and steven sold it to someone at a fraction of what he paid and then it kept going downhill and people were constantly asking me, why did air america fail when right wing talk is so successful. why did it fail? it's commercial radio. npr is not commercial. it's an audience multiple of that of rush limbaugh and it's brilliant. there's an audience for that. the merger radio means you have to make money to pay people. it wasn't making much money and it's great to have deep pockets
so murdoch would be great in the beginning until it got its legs and that worked. two, ad agencies and corporations have to advertise. added and ad agencies have what they call a no buy list. certain memos would say you're not just have this, it's too left-wing. older white guys who control all the budgets and advertising agencies, they didn't want us, there's a third reason that one can argue with and it's interpreted, jonathan hate he wrote a book, the righteous mind. it summarizes, he said people,
the elephant is steering itself. the elephant is our born intuition. many people are born with an intuition toward authority. it's genetically wore a wired. the church, military, trump, other people are born more tolerant, open-minded, robert frost jokes a liberal is someone who won't take his own side in a debate. and then dittoheads, people who listen to rush. liberals do better in universities, as authors and as they film about this, the brainwashing of my dad, it's a documentary, little-known and
her father's a lovable, likable funny democrat. suddenly there yelling at him and they couldn't understand what had happened. they traced it to his hour commute to and from work. he was simply listening to rush limbaugh. they had brainwashed, not all of america, but one fourth of our country was racist, racially intolerant, like we saw in austria and great britain and france in western countries have this group that spoke very loudly in the campaign this fear that we will be outvoted by the majority.
>> if he was sitting here, at this point, i suspect he would say that was the biggest bunch of baloney i've ever heard. my listeners are very intelligent and they are thinking for themselves, we just happen to agree. would they say the same thing about liberals? >> so they filter out the evidence that 99% of climate scientists say. of course exist. look at the seawater in the streets of miami. i guess both sides do that, but one side really is more observant and it's the progressive democrat. the other side, believing more in faith and the facts, you can
be smart and horrible and low educated and honorable, donald trump thought a lot of low education people are voting for me. that's why people like him. he says what's true. rush is aiming toward a crowd of people who want to believe that barack obama is not an american, that hillary clinton is an ice queen. anybody who knows her privately, that laugh is real. she listens to, no one smarter. but the buildup to this monster, ideally, ideally democracy will see through it. >> go back to your book, in the book you have something called
the book of gop. >> in reading it, i suspected you probably listen to a lot of people on conservative talk radio. is that true? >> yes. 95% of all of all talk radio, i guess just because they're better and more skilled, but what's 95%? it tips for the reasons. >> the conservative say that's hours you saw on your own fundraiser there, you had john stuart and although saying it figures.
it shows that television is paid for both sides, to argue that the media is not as funny, why did 80% of newspapers and doors reagan, mccain, bush? because they're owned by businessmen who hire and fire staff editorial. you can be a left or right wing journalists and it doesn't affect your interpretation of facts. >> in your book, eight you suggest the fairness doctrine might be good idea to bring back. >> yes it was ronald reagan and the fcc and that's when right wing talk in the left wing talks
split and we had a 95% of very important media and i can't tell a car company to make black cars as opposed to red cars but publicly owned airways, there is a revolution that they take over the airways first to talk to people and brainwashed people. in 1933 and 34 act states publicly owned, then they hand it to private companies without charging anything. they say will do that but we require politically that both sides be heard so you don't get some pseudo- fascist taking over. at this stage of the media, who would you trust? >> say all of a sudden your friend donald trump was elected president and he was in charge of the fcc and they were responsible for administering the fairness document. >> first i would pass a law that
is a non- tweet and non- bias. you ask a good question. anytime government gets in the business of content judgment, it's a problem. it's true. publicly owned, one side dominates and technically, under the law the fcc cannot have one more the majority of one party so if seven members, you can have seven democrats are seven republicans. you can only have four of one party in the next person has to be not of your party. this is imperfect because you point someone of your party who is really believing in the other party. at the moment, we have to figure out a way to do something because right now local media, thousands of people are being
canned by the electronic media and print media and they're all going to national syndicated models and its news corporate and they control most, most of what people here, i do think the media tilts to the right. who owns it, it's changing, changing, i hope and the fairness doctrine amended, rush limbaugh would go nuts. they would milk it for money and audience, how dare the government tell us what to think , but fox says there fair and balanced but everybody is in on the joke.
>> you tell a story about roger ailes in your book. you know him? >> yes, not well. we went to a christmas event every year hosted by an on air person who's a lawyer. they said you know, were really fair. >> i said roger, you're talking to me. do you really believe this crab? fine. don't try to persuade me. he is so on message that the joke of a slogan has not been penetrated. when they have a hundred segments on benghazi and now they've shown it's completely fabricated, they're they're interested in readings. not votes. be careful what you wish for,
fox, because they have helped the republicans and the conservatives hold the house and senate and always lose the white house. because mitt romney, a moderate guy and the party ended up with cruise and trump. there are two people who are not presidential. >> when did you start this book? >> i started it in mid- 2014. >> what's in here that you've never commented on before? >> depictions of what will happen in a trump clinton race and what will happen as the
progressive majority tied because of the demographic, the senate and the supreme court, shortly in the white house are scientific and reality-based and we talk about what it was like when i was a speechwriter, a popular senator who run for president and then failed. >> the people that you work for in politics, can you relate to your experience? start with ramsey clark. >> he was a 37-year-old up to the attorney general and the johnson administration when he was a picked as attorney general. the youngest and the most liberal.
he was just so smart about the causes of crime not just lock up and throw away the key. nixon ran against him whose father was from texas. ramsey leads atty. general and comes back and ends up running for the senate. in 1974 he comes close losing only by seven points and sets him up for the u.s. senate seat of bill buckley's brother who is jim buckley so the primary was godzilla and king kong. he had run guns for the ira in ireland and the predecessor to me.
eventually ramsey was an example of an advocate. how about call ethel kennedy for her endorsement. >> no i don't want to call her, she's working with me on gun control and i don't want to call her for endorsement. >> so he was at a hundred dollar limit and he goes to serve for distinguished terms. >> here's some video from someone you just mentioned, this is back in the day when she was an unforgettable character. >> people need change. it belongs only to the people
it's because of the killing in the belief of american democracy that we should impeach the president of the united states. i come among the people and i organize them. >> what you learn from somebody like her about running politics? she. >> she's bernie sanders with a hat. the tradition in our country, the very first woman elected to the congress was the belle of the house. i matter when she was 93. she was a suffrage feminist her whole life.
she was against the vietnam war, you could pick that up. there were three people, any one of who could've been a spectacular senator. there was a lot of talent running and she later ran for 0y and then went for the house seat with bill green and he lost and the next year, if i can confuse your audience, in 1980 when i when i run against him and loss. i'm sort of a believer, but with nowhere near her personality. >> in the first part we talked about raising money and we
talked about all the races you ran for. of so many came to you and said mr. green i want to run for office, what are the first couple of things you would tell them to do? >> mentioned it to you earlier. you have to have a drive and you have to wake up and go to sleep and think i want this so much, if you do everything, you win. second, read your your brains out. read, read, read. it often is a learning profession. you're not going to do well with it because you have to represent people. you have to know what they're thinking and how to express it.
the likelihood is he would end up embarrassing himself and a public race and he took that risk and he won. if you're not self funding, and very few people are self funding, bobby was thinking of running for attorney general and he is extremely smart, famous name with deeply rooted values. robbie kennedy junior, the son. >> correct.
>> bobby is not going to be good at sitting on a phone half his days pretending to run when he's really dialing. they were wealthy enough to self finance, and it's painful. it's the price democracy requires. until we have more matching funds and more minorities can run and win. told by a friend of bobby's, that conversation with his mother, when you look at what he had to go through, he decided what ralph nader decided and others have been forced to decide that advocacy is more comfortable for some people than political fundraising. >> you spent ten years, at least, with ralph nader.
how does he raise money and does he make the call? >> he doesn't raise it well. bernie sanders is a freak. to raise $200 million plus because you have a viral message is great, but rare. ralph doesn't like asking or yelling at people. he's not coercive. he threatens -- he does not threaten people but he talks to people. he gives substantial gifts. he founded public citizens and they have tens of thousands of small donors. third, the trial lawyers agree with ralph nader that civil justice, if you get burned in a bad car, you should be able to sue a car company if there was a defect, that's access to courts. they sometimes have contributed
to him as well. mostly he fundraisers by being ralph nader. he doesn't ever say this but it's like take it or leave it. if you want to help our effort. as we speak, he got famous 50 years ago and as we speak, a few blocks from here with hundreds of speakers and attendees from all over the country on how to advance civic justice. then citizen power comes in and here is what you should be doing. : er
from an upbringing by an immigrant family from a small town in connecticut and leaves harvard law school wanting to fix the world. an unknown no-named lawyer from connecticut within a year and a half from washington and working as an aid in the labor department writes a book that is investigated by gm, becomes overnight famous and gets a law enacted unanimously. you know how many laws that has happened with? if you compare the rate of debt of miles driven then and now two and a half million people are alive today that would other wise be dead. ralph could have said i am
famous, i could give lectures for life but branches out have to thousands of ralph nader's in anti-trust and others around the country. he does it because he said at the hearing in 1965 or '66 in general motors if i was here protecting the lives of animals for the aspca no one questions my motives and here you are questions the motives of people. i spoke to him on the phone who he was 32 and he sounds no different at 82. he is completely personal, kind, you should get this article.
i would like to help. he is always mission driven. when you work for 50 years straight you get a lot done and are consistent. i cannot think of pane other americans, other than presidents who have had as much influence over more issues over decades than ralph nader. when i asked ralph his potential opinion of what i said and he instantly said ben franklin. he started the postal system, started the private library and said it not to brag but he knew that is what an advocate does. >> c-span: sandy berger was your law school roommate or cornell? >> guest: we were at cornell i didn't know him then and then room mates in college and went
on to be president clinton's advisor. >> host: and now deceased? >> guest: he died tragically six mo months ago. >> c-span: what did you think when he got in trouble over the archive stuff? >> guest: i know what i read. he was extremely honest. as i understand it, he went to the archives to take notes for a speech he was helping -- some public policy and instead of coming the next day and reading it he took papers home with him so he could research it and then to bring it back. so he violated the rules of the archives. he was criminally investigated. it was very hurtful to him. but he was never prosecuted for it. >> you had a small note on a man
named richard bloomenthal. >> guest: when i was a young income for jacob chavits, whose later seat i sought, i hated the vietnam war and organized a group of interns to distribute a petition to johnson that we -- this was the phrase. the best and brightest are trying to do good in washington but can't with you over us. someone in our group was a pro-war person and went to the "washington post" to disclose what we were doing in capitol hill and richard bloomenthal wrote the article and the house abolished the scholarship and
now he is the senior senator from connecticut. >> c-span: what do you remember having two americans, steven brier, a democrat, and charles freed, a republican. >> guest: i was a student when freed was a young professor. he was very articulate. when you are in law school you stand up and describe methods that scare you and let everyone else be scared and learn. he went on to be reagan's solicitor general and was hostile to the way the supreme court has turned hard right on war powers.
david went on to be the famous litigator in america and steve went on of course to the court. they are both smart and admirable and i see them from time to time. >> c-span: you quoted rich daily, the former richard day daily, the mayor of chicago, and i remember the moment on the floor in '68 where he shook his first but what i didn't know and i cannot use the language said but he said supposedly f-you, you jew son of a -- i didn't know he did the jewish thing. >> guest: yes, he did.
he was the boss and a tough politician and not welcoming to minorities. as obama grows up as a young organizer in chicago against father daily and his son helped him serve but that was ethnic politics and the strain of america that is overtly or quitely anti semitic and a group is overtly racist with very few people being openly racist. lee at water, the tough fasty republican operative said we cannot say nnn anymore. the n-word. we have to use dog whistles to talk about state rights and property rights and food stamp
president. most americans are not racist. more racist are republicans. and a lot of them asked about white nationalist uniformly support donald trump. are you comfortable with that? >> c-span: you say that lamb is not a very good writer. -- leon pineta. >> guest: did you know him when we worked in the nixon white house? >> c-span: no. >> guest: he quit because he saw what was coming. >> c-span: was he the old 18-w? >> guest: and he goes on to be a democratic congressman and
defense. he was a star and i reached out to him and said would you write a book review. i reached out for them to write a book review and they both did. eloquently and on the money and pineta was smart but a bad writer. >> c-span: gary heart, give us more on what you did for him and what was he like. >> guest: maybe with the exception of bill clinton maybe a democrat who could see around corners and was more visionary. he grew up in a religious home and community.
once i was in his car going to an event and he said i don't like big crowds and they said gary, funny profession you have chosen if you feel that way. he is more scholarly and the only senator every to leave the body and end up getting a phd and has written many books since he left the senate. i was one of two speechwriters that traveled around with him. he was almost the nominee in 1984 and would have been in 1988 but he got caught in a sex scand scandal and the europeans said what but in america he had to leave the race within a few days. after the miami herald exposed
how he had been with a group of people not his wife overnight i was with him two days later in new york campaigning. we visited the governor in his office and he was a straight arrow. i said gary, i wish it would have happened to me it would have improved by poll numbers. hart grimaced and the rest was politically tragic. >> c-span: he was here last year with a book out about the future and major political things in history that matter. when i asked him about his affair he didn't talk about it. that is when the press started doing these public affairs things and the liason. is that when it started?
>> guest: matt by wrote a book called all the news is out or something like that. there is a whole book on this. from alexander hamilton to eisenhower and fdr and jfk, great leaders have many or some liason. cal thomas, very right ring television guy yelled what could be worse than adultery and i yelled back fighting a war. when harry was forced to answer a question from the "washington post" if you have ever committed adultery -- the question was never asked. paul went on to fame as an author of books on the millennial's and other things and gary said i don't have to
answer that. in that blink, he was so good looking and smart the media wanted to give him and did bad giving him a sword. since then a lot was wood and bern stein looking behind the scenes for bad stuff. it soured a lot of the public and it soured a lot of the media. >> you have a footnote in here about -- i was trying to find it -- well about mary and andrew como. andrew is the former governor of new york whose father used to be governor but is deceased. the footnote was about the lack
of returning calls. >> guest: i will compare mary and andrew. this is no tough. no on compares with mari skare -- marion. i think he would run for president in 1992. not andrew's fault. he has a famous last name and utilized the apparatus, fundraising. after winning the primary i endorsed him right away. after winning the general election, he told "the new york times," look, my father did some things and maybe he made phone
calls. that is a quote. i spoke to a hundred people trying to get support who told me the governor called and said i cannot do it. he wrote a book called con tender and interviewed 25 leaders and said did he ever call you on behalf of the son and 24 called. this is one sample. i say why did he lie. i thought it was a bad reflection. >> c-span: one morning in 1991 he said quote what is it with como i called him three times and he never returned my call.
>> guest: i thought you were talking about a different footnote. in 1991 frjs, i knew john kerry and i had gotten to know howard net balm through my work with nader. they came to new york and they asked me to meet for breakfast. that same day john kerry said what is it with cuomo. i called and never got a call back that afternoon. he said i am the united states senator. i cannot reach mario cuomo. it struck me he is an intellectual loner unlike bill
clinton. bill clinton is a model of a politician and my source for that is ken star who this month, ken star, who hounded him with monica lewinski. >> c-span: you worked with sworenson on the clinton campaign. did he write the book? >> guest: ted became a friend and hosted a fundraiser for me at my home. at the fundraiser i said you are among friends and did you write profile encouraged and he said ask not whether i wrote profile. that is a hell of an answer and the answer is he drafted it but
john kennedy, who is a brilliant man and wrote a best-seller before -- second story. year later ted is hosting another fundraiser and they said i am helping and he never asked me to write a speech. i have held in my concession speeches while the pay is low the work is frequent. and finally we were together and they helped him craft ideas and language. ted, gary and i worked on hart's speech at the convention and i later said it to take credit would be like a chicago player once scored two points on a
night michael jordan scored 66. and the players said michael jordan and i combined for 68 points. >> c-span: huffington is your friend and you write for them every week? >> guest: she had to leave because she had to run the world but she wants to always start new verticals and bureaus. she has a buckley, schumer like drive. someone joked she was the most upperly mobile greek since julius. ariana had a show on air america and we did a she together.
five years ago she said i am not writing any more books it is too time consuming and then wrote three best-sellers and she is on a book tour as we speak. >> c-span: as we end this, people in moments, where did all of the races that you ran was your first, most interesting and what was the worst? >> guest: the worst was mayor. to run as a favorite and lose is the bottom line. no one wants to hear 9/11. we all follow people who like but when you lose what is that like? when you don't get the guy or
girl no one knows it. 90% of the people gasp and then say something. it is the best. and it is depressing, it is embase and humiliating. >> c-span: favorite race? >> guest: the favorite was 1980 when i was a first-time candidate and didn't know better i ran -- i am not to take that back. in 1986, i ran for the u.s. senate, john dyson, a rich err woo was supposed to win because he was the favorite of cuomo and spent a lot of money. i was an underdog nader bernie sanders type candidate who won because the base of the party in new york was liberal. i worked day and night in
subways and fundraising and i won. the worst was when i lost a race i was supposed to win and the best was when i won a race i was supposed to lose. so that next morning when it says green wins can he win the general race excites me still. >> c-span: favorite all-time political book? >> guest: bob carol wrote master of the senate. one of his four books in his series. you cannot be a public official without reading how johnson did it. in his first term he became majority leader of the senate. and he is a friend now and i asked his wife how did you know he was special? how early in your marriage or life and she said at princeton i
knew he had it. he is a pre-historian writer and the only problem is the best book competing with it is the power broker which bob carol wrote. took 70 years, a thousand pages, he cut out a third on moses and rosen and you cannot be a public official without reading the power broker. how a man accumulated such power without being in office. and i suggested a year ago you write a book about elected power but citizen power ralph nader. he said my next book is planned and that is not it. what is the chapter in here that you want people to read the most? >> guest: what it takes. there is a chapter about the races i won and lost and how the '60s will affect 2016. but young people who want to
serve in public life, advocate or elected, and i risked the character traits, the tastes -- because every you you are running you thing i can't lose or win. either is true. ever. things can happen. it is like a winter short speed short track racing. nine laps everybody is bunched together and the last lap, there is a frenzy as people elbow and jump and someone runs by an inch. you have to be in the game. if you don't run, if you don't swing, you can't hit. >> what does your wife denny think of this book? >> okay. i am going to tell you the truth. you don't have a spouse who is a critic of you you don't have a good spouse. there are other things you want. but she is extremely smart and
knows me. she read the draft and if she is around she will deny this. she couldn't believe how good it was so while i under performed in some elections she thinks i over performed to quote sam roberts -- an intellectual conservative said liberals will love and conservatives should read it. >> part for two the book bright future. our guest has been mark green. thank you very much.
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challenged. i grew up very affluent. and i decided to set off and see my country and hitchhiked across the country. i bought gear and put it in a backpack and all set and prepared. very responsible young man. i set out and wound up in jilette, wyoming which is a tough mining town. i was outside of town trying to get a ride for hours. >> host: you hitchhiked? >> guest: yeah, i hitchhiked. and guys were throwing beer bottles at me. where i hitchhiked from the twin cities. i had never seen the west and i was awe struck. i saw someone walking toward me from town that looked like bad news. you know, i am a young kid out in the great land and definitely kind of jumpy and this guy is walking toward me and i remember he was in a