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secret, which i keep on my personal email. [laughter]. and i'm an expert and i'm an expert in cyberdefense and you're not going to get it. but it is nothing like andrews. and i have to tell you, he treats the caddies, he treats my police officers. i've known donald for many years. when i was mayor of course i was surrounded by more police officers. i still am surrounded by police officers because i run a security firm. every time donald comes up and sees me, first thing he does is, he goes and hugs, sorry, he may not be italian but he is a hugger. he hugs my police officers. some of them, it is hard to get your arms around them. [laughter]. i will give you a perfect, i don't know, if sal or george is
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here today, but they, but both of them are with me. before he comes up to me, he goes over to my police officers, shakes their hands, thank you, got everything. you want to have lunch. you're not on the job anymore. doesn't matter, you are going to have lunch. don't worry. this is a very, very good man and he is a very smart man because he knows that by doing those little things, that is how you engender that exceptional performance that gets you great results. i will tell you that is the key to my success in the city. wasn't me, i had great people. but i loved them. i cared about them. i had their back. they knew i did, and they then went out and did exceptional things and i got the credit for it. donald trump understands this better than anyone else. that makes a great president. what makes a great president is
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a man that makes a great executive or woman make as greating executive. knows how to motivate that talent. knows how to evaluate that talent. knows how to get rid of people when you have to, sometime you made a mistake. i certainly did, at times. and that's why he is going to do great things for us. he is going to do great things for us, because he has an ability to delegate and an ability to lead, that we haven't had in the white house, i don't think since ronald reagan, who was a natural executive. [applause] so of course, this is an anti-hillary vote. i can't imagine under any set of circumstances how she could
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possibly get elected, but we're fortunate that it is more than that. we're getting someone, who i think is the right person and exactly the right time. we're getting someone from outside of washington. he has proven that he knows how to pick good people by picking an excellent vice president. [applause] that's a, like a prism. that is like a looking glass into which you can figure out what kind ever cabinet you can put together. the choice of vice president is so important because it tells you how the man is going to make his decisions. so what he do, he went and found someone to balance some of the things that he needs to balance. he found a governor, one with an excellent record. he found one a member of congress who was an expert in
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both budget and foreign policy. a man who was in business but also a man who was in congress was something of an outsider, not part of the washington establishment that he is running against. what a brilliant choice. what a good man mike pence is. what a great speech he gave last night. [applause] so, so i want you to leave lear today with the confidence that those are kinds of people he is going to select for secretary of state, secretary of defense, attorney general, go on and on and on. obviously they will be different people with different talents but this is a man who knows talents and knows how to judge it. i do not recommend that he announced his cabinet before the election. this is a big sucker-punch offered up to all the candidates. i can tell you why it is a sucker-punch.
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the press, excuse me, but it's true, the press will go find one and, oh, my gosh this guy got left back in the third grade. [laughter]. oh. this one, this one actually was caught spitting on the sidewalk three times, three times he spit on the sidewalk! and this one here, you know, plagiarized a speech because he ended it by saying, god bless the united states of america. [applause] you know that, i sat across from another great governor this morning, governor hutchinson of arkansas. the two of us agreed that, if she were a republican, you
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definitely have it much harder with the press than if you're a democrat, and that in fact we are paranoid but paranoid is not an illness when people are really after you. [laughter]. it is just a realistic condition. i knew from the day i walked in as mayor of new york city that every single thing i did was going to be ripped apart by the new york times and by what we now call the mainstream media, putting people on with fair to work. where i was called mean. fingerprints people on welfare, because we had people collecting welfare, three, four, five, six times. arresting people. stop and frisk. putting police officers in
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mosques, which i did. which mayor bloomberg increased as he should have have after september 11th. and which mayor de blasio has taken out. and he is taking an enormous risk with our safety by doing that. now, pete knows this better than anyone else. do you know any priest, any minister, any rabbi that would have the slightest objection if i put one or two of my police officers in their church or their synagogue or their shul? but they probably ask me to put more in. now no decent imam is going to care if i have a police officer there, sitting there listening to the wonderful things he should be saying about their religion. the only ones who don't want the police officers there are the ones who are plotting the
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bombings that are taking place, like the bombing of the world trade center in 1993 which was planned in a mosque in new jersey! and through the years i hired police officers specifically to be under cover and to be in those mosques so i could keep track of the good ones and the bad ones and there are both. good ones and bad ones. taking them out is political correctness overcoming public safety. in fact it's stupid. [applause] i will conclude by asking you to do me a favor.
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i think i was the third republican mayor in the 20th century. there are only three. laguardia, lindsey and me. only two of is remained republicans. [applause] abraham, i won new york city twice with all of your help. once close. once in a landslide. new york city voted against abraham lincoln. pretty crazy city, huh? [laughter] but new york, as you know is a lot bigger than new york city. we got nassau. [applause] biggest margin for ronald reagan, 1980, nassau county, bigger than orange
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county california. we have suffolk, we have westchester, orange, putnam, i can't mention them all. [applause] then we got the whole big middle of the state, baby you're just like pennsylvania. you like to hunt, you like to hunt, right? [cheering] you want to make sure nobody takes away your second amendment right to bear arms, right? right? [applause] and, you want to, hey, how about we put people back to work by fracking, hydraulic drilling. [applause] how about we rebuild upstate new york into what it used to be. we're the great industrial capital of the world! [applause]
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and -- [applause] and god has put the resources in our earth to allow us to do it. pennsylvania is doing it and it did it under a democratic governor, ed rendell! a democratic governor because he cared about his people more than he cared about being tear terrod out of control environmentalists. i didn't say just environmentalists. i'm an environmentalists. i'm just not a nut at this out of control environmentalist. [applause] all of this is possible that we can win. i want donald trump to win and i believe he is but i want him to win new york! [applause]
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i want him to win new york. and -- wants him to win new york. wants him to win new york. [applause] pete king wants him to win new york. then we got, we got some pretty good surrogates for him in new york. amounted we are not giving new york up. hillary, we're going to kill you in upstate new york! you are finished! hillary, you are finished in nassau and suffolk and westchester and putnam and orange! and i know, because i played golf up there, that several of your neighbors in chappaquiddick can't stand you.
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we are going to take you out in new york. and we're going to do it the way ronald reagan did it, with the same breakdown of votes between the city, the suburbs and upstate new york. and if we can take you out in new york, wow. we're going to win big and we are. we've got a much better candidate than the media has allowed the american people to understand and to appreciate. on the other hand we have a candidate who has the skills to communicate, that i have only seen matched by maybe ronald reagan, maybe bill clinton, who was a great communicator, maybe obama, great communicator, terrible president but i think more than they, not really more than they, i think he understands modern american communication better than anyone. think he understands american
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television better than anyone. and i think he knows how to overcome the disadvantages of a press that is against him and the disadvantages of all that money that hillary has by his complete domination of the free media. you can't go anywhere in the world, i recently been in germany and in china and in israel. where the first question you're asked, not what is hillary clinton like, but what is donald trump like? he, this election is about him. it is not about her. and he is going to prove, i think, tonight, and throughout this campaign that this is not even going to be close. we're going to wipe her out. [applause] thank you. , thank you, very, very much. and finally, thank you, thank you very, very much for all the support you've given me over the
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years for your help in making me mayor. thank you for allowing me to participate in someof your campaigns where i support you or come in and support your opponent when you want me to. thank you to my friends who i love and i'm going to hug him. i'm not going to hug this guy, he might punch me in the face, i don't know. going to hug you as soon as i come down. thank you to ed -- for making this great party. [applause] and thank you for what you did for the people of new york. that the republican majority in the state senate republican minority in the assembly, when i was mayor saved me so many times insanity of shelley silver who is now sitting where he always
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has belonged. [applause] you saved the city so often that i owe a great debt of gratitude. so whenever i'm called to help assembly candidate, senate candidate, as you know, i always say yes because i owe you. thank you very much. god bless new york and god bless america. thank you. [cheers and applause] >> rudy, thank you, thank you. you know, rudy you invoke two things in your speech. one that brought back memories
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of 45 years ago, when trish and i lived in the white house. you know, we could have slept in the lincoln sitting room, the lincoln bedroom but we lived in the ordinary rooms on the second floor of the white house because, that room, the lincoln bedroom is left just the way it was when lincoln was assassinated. some places are sacred. the lincoln bedroom is sacred. the white house is sacred. and we're going to elect donald j. trump, president. united states and make sure that the clintons do not live there again and sell the lincoln bedroom and sell the white house again. we're not going to let it happen! [applause] and, rudy, you mentioned the new york delegation right down in front of you when you gave
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that great speech, when you gave that great speech at the convention night before past. it was fantastic. how you were inspired by the new york delegation and our cheers. you may have noticed last night, i was not with you. i was invited to be in donald trump's box and so i got to watch the entire floor and the fact is, that in both all the cheers, the cheers for governor mike pence, a great candidate for vice president, donald, how you cheered for him, and i also noticed how you led the boos for ted cruz as he committed political suicide last night! [applause] new york has been the leader throughout this process. you know, it was more than a year ago when the state committee decided that finally new york was going to have a decisive primary. and on april 19th, we're
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only primary on that date, we fixed it that day, several weeks before, when three candidates could campaign throughout new york state. new york primary won oaf well mingly, won overwhelmingly for the first time, donald trump not won just a majority in the primary and in 61 of our 62 counties, he became pause of that the presumptive nominee of our party. night before last you made name the nominee of our party, and new york state as taken the lead in electing the next president of the united states and i thank you for it! congratulations. now to finish this morning up. tony, if you would come up here and do the briefing. >> [inaudible] tote bags is nothing compared to these guys.
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any way, i, the schedule, 7:30 tonight is session. all delegates expected to be in their seats. let me bring up a subject, we got a call late last night from the coa. as many of you know there was a proposal to put photo i.d.s on delegate badges. we know everyone wants to enjoy so we fought that proposal. there is possibility to trade from delegates to others but they asked us last night to be very cautious. if you want to let someone in your delegation or a friend use your credential, one person per credential because we have only 95 seats on the floor. if you just cooperate with us, it is not us. it is the coa. we're doing the best we can to cooperate with them but i ain't going to squeal. if those of you who would like additional tote bags, pins and other tchotkes they're out in the lobby.
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for those that want to go to the rock and roll hall of fame, buses leave in the lower lobby about 7:30 or so. the last thing i would like to say is, i want to thank all of our staff who have helped me this week. [applause] you know all of them, what they have done. and i'm not in the habit of singling people out but i would like to single out one person who is actually a volunteer who made sure that everybody had a place to sleep and accomodations. reg gene dubois did a great job with the housing. [applause] are there any questions or, if you have anything, you can ask me now or we'll be out in the lobby if you have anymore questions. just before we conclude i want to invite him up. i believe he wants to say a couple of words. thank you all very much. you have all been great.
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[applause] >> how are we doing? i can't hear you! great. all right. you know that without the petrol, the diesel, we can not win. first of all i want to thank each and everyone for you all the funds that you have given us to make sure everything that has been said here has taken place and we've been able to elect and reelect all these wonderful leaders so we can take new york back and also the united states of america. i would like to recognize someone who is 94 years of age and who says, i am as old as god says i am and thankful one day older than i was yesterday. she's 94 years old and this is her 12th gop convention. ruby write. ruby, where are you you? ruby write! [applause]
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wright. hello, ruby. okay. thank you. i would also like to ask all those of you who are serving in the armed forces or law enforcement who have served will you please stand so you can recognize you. furthermore, furthermore, we have a new yorker here that, who did nine tours in afghanistan and to other parts of the world. highly decorated and his name is william wade, from the saratoga springs area. please take him -- [applause] ladies and gentlemen, if you have not given to wendy long, please go to and let's do that. i ask you without your support,
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we are not going to be able to win. we will win come november 8, not only are we going to take new york state back, but we're going to elect the 45th president of the united states, donald j. trump. so, i want you to go out there and tonight, because i was watching from up there yesterday, and everybody around us, the sea was moving and new york was quiet. i want you tonight to dance, to scream, and let's make this the perfect year where we are going to take america back. and last thing is, let's not forget our men and women in blue. thank you. thank you and let's win. [applause]
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♪ >> definitely has been experience being a young delegate, for example, when i go to the convention and see the show, i have to think, thank you for being here and ultimately it has been a really good experience, although there are some folks who are a bit skeptical of young people. but if we are keeping around i think we'll really have a good impression on them. ultimately i think the party is really treats young delegates well. >> why am i here? i'm concerned about making america great again. you know, we've got to leave it better for our children than what was left for me. i'm excited to be a delegate. let's support trump and make america great again.
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>> i felt it to be here because i felt it was important the grassroots is here and part of our forum and rule-making decisions and i am a ted cruz delegate. i think that some of our, our biggest issue is taking back america an making it as great as it can be and has been. >> i'm state representative ron ulmsted of worcester, ohio, from the great state of ohio and speaker pro tem in the ohio house of representatives. we have delighted to host the convention. we are so appreciative of our governor's positive message, of speaker paul ryan's positive message and what we are doing to lead with a path of, an agenda that will be good for our nation and will lead our country forward. >> so i wanted to abdel gaat because it is never too early to get involved. i want to get a head start on a
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political future and i was really inspired by the people around me and i wanted to go and represent them at national and it has been a great experience so far. i'm so excited to be here but yeah, i'm really excited to be here and it has been a great time so far. ♪ >> our road to the white house coverage continues from tampa, florida, where hillary clinton will meet with community leaders and talk to supporters on a two-day swing through the state. and we'll be live for a campaign rally live this afternoon at 4:30 p.m. eastern. on monday, our coverage of the democratic convention will begin, live from philadelphia. follow our coverage on c-span, the c-span radio app and the french defense minister
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talked about recent terrorist attacks in nice and combating isis in iraq and syria. from the brookings institution, this is about one hour and 20 minutes. >> ladies and gentlemen, i'd like to welcome all of you here today on behalf of the brag kings institution. i'm fiona hill, the director of the center on the united states and europe and it's a great honor for us today to host the french defense minister. i want to it is a very difficult time for his country. before we begin the event i would like to that i hope you will accept on our behalf and on behalf of brookings and everyone here our sincere condolences about the terrible atrocity in
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nice and all our friends and colleagues in france affected by this great tragedy. i would hope you accept our sincere condolences during a very difficult time for you and your country. before we begin and introduce the minister i want to make a few quick announcements important for all of you here. first of all the event will be on the record. the minister will speak in french. for those who do not speak french i want to make sure you have headsets with simultaneous translation. if you do not, we have them just outside of the auditorium. i want to make sure everybody has what they need. and channel 2 will have the english translation for when we begin. i want to make sure everyone is mindful of their cell phones for this equipment is quite sensitive. if you have do have a cell phone close to the equipment, if you could switch it off or put it under your seat and away from the equipment that would be helpful. we also have a hashtag for this event.
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it is #u.s.friend. i would like to welcome our c-span audience for this important presentation by the minister. i would like to acknowledge and thank our french senior fellow for his work on facilitating this and other important events on current developments in france and europe. minister le drian in washington, d.c. for a group of foreign ministers from 30 states to forge a common approach with u.s. secretary of defense ashton carter to how to combat the islamic state in syria and iraq which is important to europe and the united states. you have biographical material of minister le drian in your packet. from those in the tv audience who clearly do not he is originally from brittany. as coincidentally our colleague phillipe who will be moderating the event.
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he was formerly a mayor around had several national level positions in france covering defense ministers. before he was appointed minister of defense by president francois hollande in may 2012. he published a new book we're very excited about at brookings because we like book. it is security issues, who is the enemy, just out in english. for those that like a copy, we have several copies outside again of the auditorium. this minister le drian will address us from the podium. we will turn over to the chairs with a discussion moderated by phillipe and our colleague, fellow michael o'hanlon who published a few books but knows a thing or two about defense issues especially the topics minister le drian is here to cover in washington d.c. it is a great honor to host you. thank you for joining us today and thank you for the audience for coming.
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sir, the podium is yours. [applause] >> translator: ladies and gentlemen, dear friends, first of all i would like to thank you for your invitation. it has been a great pleasure that i'm here and i will talk here at the brookings institution in this house which has just celebrated this year its send 10 airy. one century which is a difficult century in which thinking, being
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able to extend back away sometimes from the frightening events we are living in should help us to improve our analysis and efficiency of our actions. as you know france has just been hit one more time on the day of the national holiday by an extremely violent terrorist action. this is the third time in only 18 months. without mentioning all the attempts that have been without. this is tragic information we were already something certain of in france. france, its society, model, the quality of its democratic life, this part of life is unbearable in the eyes of barbarians who want to hit us. as a state, this situation gives us a number of duties.
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the first, is to guarranty the safety of our citizens. no legitimacy, french people want increased security but, at the same time they want to preserve their way of life including their liberties which are at the very basis of our social contract. who then is this enemy who is targeting us? i would like to try with you to define specifically the shapes of this threat on us and how it is possible to face it as efficiently as possible. we have to start from a simple fact today. a number of terrorist groups the major daesh and al qaeda, isis are ready to use any means to hit us.
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with, as an objective not the military because the fight is lost in advance but in order to put us in a state of stupifaction, hoping our institutions are going to vacillate and isis is a multi--shaped enemy in this way. it can be seen in three different shapes which are closely linked. it is not a state legally speaking. it strategically a proto state trying to exercise the powers after state. this proto-state has a companion a transnational jihadist movement which is in part like al qaeda, of a vast number of groups operating through borders
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and all the way to our national plant. so it, isis or isil is for us important for us protecting our tone territory and isis an extremely dangerous ideology. they want to go back to the days of caliphate and fashion in a new way a new society. i would like to say this. in my opinion isis is a fully totalitarian enterprise. why? it is based on geological basis which is deeply inequal by putting human beings in groups who are higher and lower, all the way to reintroducing slavery in its most object way.
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the sexual slavery of yazidi women. it is based on he radcation of the all groups opposed to caliphate. it is based on mobilization of a number of saudi, financial and human resources on the basis of permanent fight and based on very strict police control of population and under extreme violence like we can see in the executions performed in the territories dominated by isis. this multiform shape calls for a number of reactions from us. military, we have to destroy, destroy this jihadist proto state. at a level of police and judiciary we have to protect us and french army is contributing to this because the adversary itself and this kind of
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terrorism has been militarized. the level drawing out the recruiting by isis for jihadists will go through -- of its financial resources. lastly at the political and idealogical level we have to use every means available to fight against the influence of isis. our efforts should particularly go on the cyber field to fight against what i would call the virtual caliphate which could be reinvested as the physical caliphate is moving backwards in syria and iraq. the threats represented by isis is new and the way it is shape but not by its nature.
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presenting, dominating a territory and creating a proto-state and managing a population already existed in mali in 2012 with using terror against civilians in baghdad and paris and brussels with the will to make the societies resisting more fragile is something not new and the american people is better placed than most of us to know this. our action should adapt to the fact that the threat is continue s. they are targeting us far from our borders as well as at the heart of our lives. our actions should be external and internal at the same time. we must call on a number of instruments starting from our armed forces deployed in -- for help. all the way to the intelligence services, police and justice without for getting the capacity
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of civil security to face the enemy when we are attacked. and this, as this is the field i have most interest in, allow me to center what i'm going to say on the military side of action led by france against these terrorists armed group threatening us. france is not a country that goes to bar for pleasure but it can recognize the fact that sometimes wars are imposed on it. it was the case in in afghanistan when we intervened out of solidarity with our american allies and this is the case today as well. in 2003 we were brave enough to say that the iraq war should not be led. there were other ways risks were enhanced. i don't see this to insist on the fact that we were right.
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that is not what i want to say. i simply observe, when france goes to war because it has very well-founded reason to do so. in syria and iraq, france is not fighting terrorism in general. we are fighting a war against terrorism. not, i'm sorry not against terrorism but against well-identified enemies which have led to acts of war at very heart of our territory with which no negotiation is possible. these groups should be destroyed. i want to repeat here that the idea according to which we could buy our tranquilty by fighting on the isis is meaningless. isis program is without any, it is, caliphate. if we let him -- it would have more resources more fighters,
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more capacity to hit just as it did last november when an armed commando was reported about a very precise plan deliberated for a very long time. the coalition which justify my presence here in washington today is significant. we are training in baghdad to members of an elite group against terrorism. we are training iraqi army. we work hand in hand with the peshmerga. our aircraft are mobilized and since september 2014, hit the coalition and its targets almost daily. these actions made it possible to, with the whole of coalition and leadership of the united states, all this has allowed us to reach extremely important results. i'm thinking of liberation of
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fallujah which is a major symbol as it was the major, the first major city controlled by isis. i am thinking of the imminent of -- which will cut isis from its access to the rest of the world. and taking of -- taking of mosul one of the major centers of the terrorist organization. all this makes it impossible for the moment very soon i hope the, when isis will have lost its territorial domination in the -- [inaudible]. this will reduce its capacity against us and modify complex actions over the long term.
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we know that, as i have already mentioned, the terrorist attack of november 2013 were planned and designed and prepared from syria and raqqa, with the projection of commandos into france with migration flows and transfer of resources from the middle east to europe. but, this territorial loss should also allow us to hit directly the deep propaganda machine much isis. this machine, this incubator which makes it possible to mobilize people who have weak minds or are fanatics -- who take alone the initiative of terrorist actions. i would like to mention here that use of as a weapon in rudimentary and violent way with only objective to kill is a mode
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of operation which had been proposed by al qaeda in 2010 and by isis in 2015. what i want to do is terrorize, even totally disorganized way. what matters is to hit at symbols. the french republic and the idea of liberty, closely linked to the national holiday of the 14th of july. jews whose integration into the french republic was the, one of the earliest in the western world in 1789, at bataclan and journalists or press cartoonists as was the case in the attack against "charlie hebdo." we must destroy the territorial empire of isis because this is the heart of this organization and it is an objective we are about to reach with the coalition. the terrorist organization has lost about 40% of its territory in iraq and 20% in syria.
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its resources are much reduced now particularly in terms of oil and the flow of fighters helping it is progressively being reduced. at the same time, our action in the field allow us to gather an important quantity of intelligence about isis. the fact that daesh has left where a number of french citizens were in transit made it possible to get information which is useful to protect the national territory from the threat that french fighters offer us. today about 680 french were members of isis in, today, 680 french are members of isis.
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187 would have been killed and about 200 came back to france. but, they keep hitting us, hitting us in france, in belgium, in the u.s. as well. it is our duty to reduce as quickly as possible this face of backing up in order to hit it with decisive strikes in order to disorganize it in a definitive way. this is why the present phrase of the operation in the president of the republic announced increase of our military contribution. the aircraft carrier will be deployed again and the support that we bring to the iraqi forces and to the peshmerga forces will be increased generally. faced with the size of this
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challenge we must have a common answer and the united states in this perspective are more than ever indispensable. the u.s. and france are the two major targets designated by the propaganda of the jihadist groups. the kind of threat on us remains very similar since the individual responsible for mass killing as in orlando to the foreign fighters who are extremely dangerous threat. fight against isis, against metastasis and many ways against islamist terrorist groups in many ways in which we work together with our allies on all the theaters. this is true in syria. this is true in iraq and i must say that the excellent quality of the work relationship has developed with ashton carter in
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the last few months in very difficult times france has allowed us to have a shared strategy for the middle east. it is true as well in africa where today france is fighting against al qaeda in the islamic maghreb and other jihadist groups with the help of the united states in terms of intelligence, transport supplies, et cetera. . .
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another sign of how close our links are. discloses made it possible to bring our military relations to the unprecedented level in our recent history. and, of course, i am extremely happy. the fact that the aircraft carrier, the task force is also an extremely strong sign about the high level of interoperability between the french and american forces, and of the confidence as this was the first time a foreign admiral was in charge of the task force, including american vessels. in the same order of ideas, in the morning of this tragic event in july during the ministry
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parade, the fact they were overthrown by an american plane followed by two french helicopters was very important for me because it symbolized and operational cooperation which is extremely efficient. our cooperation is also extremely strong in terms of operational intelligence exchange within the special instructions given by ashton carter to the intelligence agencies, which led to shared instructions which have given to my own services and to the french ministry command. in libya, the fact that i this has been pushed back is a very positive signal.
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we support the national government which was at the head of the inclusive security system. this effort must rely on a real live the army, an army which is not putting together a number of militia much which would represent a diversity of the country. this effort must be strengthened by the application embark on armaments to libya for isis and the al-qaeda which has been recently authorized by the security council with a very strongest mandate given to this mission. further, to our fight against
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jihadists terrorist groups, is very close relationship between france and the u.s. should also allow us to face the threat of force and other challenges which are emerging in terms of security. i think, for example, russia, france and nato, we do not threaten anyone. but, however, we have to guarantee the safety of the united states of the allies come in particular most fragile and this is reason why france will take part starting in 2017 to defense but i'll let troops into east timor specifically in estonia. but i'm on these challenges, i also have in mind the southern chinese city where we don't maintain business or to contribute to reduce tensions,
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guided only by international law which guarantees freedom and maritime space through international order. if we let this right be challenged some work on it will be challenged everywhere. it was another respect, political this one, which comes to mind. the way that we'll have to go along with brexit in the field of defense. it is not up to me as a minister of defense to give my opinion on the will of the british people or to comment on political decisions or positions on the wide diplomatic mechanisms to be used here but i cannot -- from
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the major decision on the strategic balances in your. i hope we'll be able to find the separation which will preserve stability. there's some cause for concern here that we have to look at. there are three kinds i think. first of all we have to avoid that the united kingdom would not be totally absorbed by separate regime. it would not be in the interest of the british with a with excellent relations in terms of defense to turn its back on europe or the world. that's a we've told them, thus we've written in the britain press. that's a we'll keep telling them. in the same way, the thing it is not anymore indeed interested in europe to look at the separation
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with revenge. secondly, we have to avoid this uniting european union. this would have a disparate impact on nato. thirdly, we have to avoid europe would lose its position as a major act of security as conflict to the american power. the exit from the eu of the only nuclear power could reinforce a position of countries which do not wish to see europeans take charge of the own security. this is a major subject. and the state of mind in berlin
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as shown in most recent, i will continue to work closely with angela merkel to propose to europeans to reinforce the defense of europe, and interests also of americans would regularly go for a better sharing of defending the two sides fidelity. i'm confident because we still see the signs of the british will to keep working with the rest of europe and maintain a strong presence on the international scene. i am confident because i see the obligation of europeans. first of all, france will continue to help with united kingdom, and extremely rich defense relationship, culture pragmatism, united kingdom
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remains which has the will and capacity to intervene in the world. it remains the nuclear power in a very strong world. strength of our defense relations strengthened by the treaties links will allow us to go against temptation of a strategic stepping back. paris and london have recently developed concept of a joint expeditionary force, which should be able to have force in such a situation called for it. furthermore, we work to relaunch of the european project within the security policy. brexit is the symptom we have to acknowledge.
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security is the major issue for our society and europe will be a major actor of their own security or it will fail. this is a file in which we are working. any troubles, strategic and political contest, ladies and gentlemen, i am convinced the french is stronger and more important than ever your it has shown in the fight that we are together now in the jihadists terrorist groups which are threatening us. it also gives us a special responsibility to go along with the geopolitical changes that is brexit. further than the interest we're shooting at the moment, the american french relations is deep because it does go back to more than two centuries of
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strong solidarity when we're about to commemorate this entry of come into our nation in the first world war. this friendship is a real story, and win the our people on both sides of the atlantic which are calling -- this is an element we should never forget. for all these reasons it is the electoral year for both our countries. i hope the franco-american friendship grows even stronger and that our defense relationship keeps deepening. we all have, including yourself, we all have a major role to play in this. thank you very much for your attention. [applause]
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>> thank you very much, minister, for this very powerful speech. i'm delighted to be here with you and i welcome you at
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brookings. thanks to michael o'hanlon for being here come one of our best defense experts here at brookings and does research for the foreign policy program. minister, i read your book just before you arrived and i recommend it to the audience. there's one point in particular which attracted my interest is one sentence. there is no internal enemy, if a fight in syria and in iraq is an enemy, if he is a terrorist on national territory, he is a criminal. before asking mike to take over for his comments, i just wanted to remember, remind everybody that the french military is quite involved in protecting french citizens, domestically, which is somewhat new and
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somewhat unusual for the military. but let me turn to you, mike, and perhaps ask you some comments about the minister's speech and hasty perhaps transatlantic relations in the sector of counterterrorism in particular. >> thank you, philippe, and good afternoon at all. mr. minister, it's an honor to be with you. i would like to begin my brief remarks by thanking our brothers and sisters in france for the alliance that's now 240 years old. you had a very tough independence day last week. we had a very good and happier, luckier, independence day 10 days prior and its 5140th anniversary of the united states which exists largely because of france, and which continues to protect itself and its citizens and its allies working with france. so i just want to say thank you. also i know that all of our hearts are with you in these
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difficult times for all of us but especially in france in recent days. secondly, i wanted to just underscore my appreciation for the specifics of what you said in your speech about what we're doing today together. on the battlefield, intelligence cooperation and in so many other ways. just to very quickly highlight the main aspects in many places we're working together hand in glove in iraq in syria, for example. in afghanistan through about 2012. but the second key point is that in many places friends is doing things that are much different and contradictory to what the trend is doing for which we benefit enormously. anabolic of course is the case study, the most prominent recent example -- mali -- france has important relationships throughout much of the middle east and north africa and the tunisian model and tunisia and france have a lot of history going back.
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the tunisian model in some ways represents still the best last hope for the arab spring. i want to wish our again brothers and sisters in france and tunisia well and commend the french for their role there. in many places in this broader struggle against extremism, france is doing things that are leading the way. in other cases they are doing things that are complementary to us in conjunction with what we are doing and it really varies across the entire broader middle east region. i think that point is worth underscoring. that france is an independent actor and also very often a very good guide our advisor to our action. the debate went into it is often very healthy. as you pointed out in your speech come on iraq policy we disagreed and many americans would doubt look back and say that france was right. but regardless of who was right we didn't dwell on the disagreement. we focus on the path forward. that's the other point to underscore. and then finally come and i will
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stop here, i still do have some questions and concerns about the state of the overall western policy in this broader struggle against violent extremism, against extremism. if you want to call it islamic extremism, call it what you will depend on which convention you're following or which party you are a member of. i think we all know what we are talking about. and the point is we are doing relatively well in some places. we have a long ways to go in others. and for to specific countries in the broader middle east are i am still most concerned about over all western strategy are syria and libya. i'm not yet persuaded we are on the right track in either place. maybe i believe that for now, hoping we will come back to these issues. this is not a critique of french policy in the first instance. this is the question of american policy especially in regard to syria where i think we're more clearly in the lead.
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maybe european friends are more clearly in the lead in libya but on both these countries i think we have to ask if we are settled yet on the right strategy and dignity double the more fundamental debate about first principles. but in general i just what is it an honor to be on the stage with the french minister of defense, and appreciate very much what france is doing to our security as well as its own. >> minister, perhaps you could answer to that. and unlike in also on this washington summit that you have been taking part in today which is carrying on tomorrow. do you expect an international coalition to produce results? do you expect the united states in particular, you alluded to this in your speech, but to provide some help to the current wave of terrorism that is taking place in europe?
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>> translator: in order to answer your question, and i will come back to what you said, i said earlier and i will say it even stronger right now. i mentioned the reasons why we absolutely have to attack the very heart of isis here that is to say, the territorial realm of isis. because their territory is not, the will to great caliphate, territorial caliphate, whether that in part but not only that. it is also a place where the organized terrorists actions in the entire world. others, russia, tunisia, and tunisia, egypt, i mean it's a
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long list and i've forgotten some, and it is a from this place that all the actions are planned. and number three, this what i was going the incubator, this place that spreads certain contamination, the individual act, the lone wolf that we saw in nice, as you saw in orlando yourself, and which gives people who are not quite right in their mind in action which is been claimed by isis your so in order to stop all of this first of all we have to hit the center, even if it's not. but at least we have to do that in start. since we started the coalition, a coalition exists. it is a live and well. it started after the newport
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summit. it brought results. i was listing some of the results earlier. isis lost a lot of surface, of land, real estate. and losing a lot of real estate, they are losing their image. they are getting weaker. their image is weakening because they are about to lose. they are not always winning. and thanks to the coalition, isis has seen its income quite reduced. as soon as the coalition was well organized, when we supported iraq if forces, we supported the kurdish forces, and we also intervened on
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command centers on financial resource centers such as oil fields and on logistic points like roads. so we does organized them. now what is left, and this is why we are meeting to date and we will meet tomorrow am a bit of fence sitters of tomorrow, then for a fairer to export affairs ministers. that we had to go to next step, take some time, but we are in a new concentration. our aim now is rocket, the logistic centers, the major centers of isis action. it's virtual caliphate is there.
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they are the ones who encouraged all those ovals everywhere. so we are now working on our different plans for decisive action. our global security, not only the security of the local countries. i think that what we are discussing is going the right way, and i wanted to mention that. you asked me about two or three other topics. on libya, which is a major problem also, because isis is in libya. with some who came from the middle east but they are not the majority.
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with some local freelancers, also with other foreign fighters who also have made it to libya, in the state which have a hard time existing which is dislocated right now. we have to be extremely vigilant so that the action that we're going to start in the future be globally planned together in city and in iraq, raqqa, mosul, but also which should be the same logic as what we plan to do in libya where they have a government. i said earlier that we ultimately must support him. still not quite secure.
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and we have to intervene with the national bolivian army, with a different malicious come from tripoli. -- different militias. government recognized by everybody and validated by the security council. and we have to see that the helpless eradicate isis in libya. you were talking about that. libya is a country that is quite special because the on isis it's a place for all kinds of trafficking weapons and drugs, human beings are migrants, everything a traffic there. and if, unfortunately, isis
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groups which all events on all these groups, on all these traffickers, it would be a lot worse for our security. so that's the way we are moving right now. what i say we, we with all the pressure that we can use, the action that is going to take place thanks to the naval force that will control the inflows of arms. this is the task of the european union but also with the security council. you mentioned the interior enemy in the book that i've written. i said that there are criminals inside who are criminals. of course, the interior enemies location would be a for an enemy would be to take over but that's not their vocation.
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their vocation is to destabilize. that's why i made a distinction between the label, people who act like this on the french territory. they are criminals which they should be triggered as criminals. he also mentioned the presence of our armed forces on a national territory. it is true this is new. it's never happened before. to have like we have now, 10,000 troops patrolling the national territory around iran's sensitive spots where there's a lot of people at airports, where people gather, and especially in the summertime when we have sports or different cultural things and on our borders. that this is not a mission of armed forces.
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you know, in france we have what we call white paper which very regularly decides on the different orientations of the country wants to take for its future security and future defense. this exercise started in 1972 here and since 1972 there were five or six white papers. i think this is the sixth one. every new white paper insisted on the necessity for our military to ensure the protection of the territory. i mean, this is publication of an army normally. and we had different interpretation when we decided to do away with the draft. because back then in france, we call it the operational defense
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of the territory. because we had a draft, for this kind of mission especially. sometimes they can ask themselves what could be but this was in a white paper. and in the 2008 white paper, this was not under francois hollande but this was in the 2008 white paper says our armies have to ensure interior protection. and in the white paper, and i wrote a lot of it for 2013, we have repeated it. we have commitments with the figures so the president, when there's a crisis such as is the case right now, the president can mobilize on a national territory a certain number of
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troops in order to ensure security. so this is a long story except that it is not written as such in the white paper. i think i answered part of your questions. >> i am wondering how you felt about the cooperation at this very moment, especially when it comes to counterterrorism and the emergence of the new actors that the ministers talking about in his book, and the fact that there are bubbles as well as attacks as we've seen in europe. do you feel services are war party enough, perhaps at the european level as well as the transatlantic level speak with excellent question, felipe. is always these in difficult times to say we're not do well. there's a lot of room for improvement but i am still struck at how well you are
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cooperating in many domains. let me begin if they put on the rush issued and the warsaw summit because the minister of gore spoke about that as well. even though americans are often frustrated that most nato allies, unlike france, did not meet their goals of spending 2% of their gross domestic product on their armed forces. most european countries don't have anywhere close to that standard. france does. but despite the fact we're frustrated by burden sharing we've made some important decisions together as our lives to sustain acted more or less just the right amount of military capability in the eastern nato member states. which i saw personally we can play a disc in about this of course but i saw person it's just about the right response. clarify if there were any doubt that nato use an attack on one as an attack on all, at the eastern member states are just as important as any what else even those of us who were dubious about nato expansion,
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including myself, at this point would generally say that. there can't be any appearance of daylight between us, and the warsaw summit, largely because of french leadership, accomplished the goals i think it needed you that was crucial. also the european union with or without britain has been sustaining economic sanctions on russia which i consider the other key pillar of our broader strategy for dealing with the central european crisis of today. europe is a lot more vulnerable on this front. of course, as you well know, philippe, that we are. a lot more trade with russia. the fact that europe has held together and do my thing you will continue to hold together even in the event of brexit, even in the reality of brexit come on this issue is crucial. so i think that the terms of russia, despite the lack of burden sharing, the difficulties of how to handle the situation,
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we have been together as an alliance and it's been very for import. on the intelligence sharing, and i will finish on this point, there's obviously a long ways to go. our colleague bruce riedel has just offered a suggestion to france specifically that it creates something like national counterterrorism center, not unlike what we created here after 9/11. which our good friend nick rasmussen runs today and which assembles a lot of irrelevant information on the terror watch list, make sure this information is collected in real time and shared at the right level. but it wasn't just the creation of that. it was the way in which new york city and other cities then work to cooperate for the joint terrorism task forces, fbi, many other things some of which were working on a project at brookings with the jpmorgan chase, atlanta call pleasure of codirecting with ray odierno. there's been a lot of things france has done everything france partly has a ways to go
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in improving its domestic coordination but they are good to i remember back in the 1980s and 1990s a lot of colleagues were studying france for how to deal better with his terrorist threat because we started to see al-qaeda rising in the big 1990s. and france in many ways showed us the way on how to deal in real time with the kinds of threats to national territory that we, of course, experienced since been. so yes, there is a long way to go but again i would say that france is one of the leaders in this area along with the united states at this point. we need more countries like france and britain in the united states a number of continental european country to up their game. and france may need to consider a couple additional reforms like this concept of an national counterterrorism center. over all i am fairly impressed, even in these dark days how well we hold it together as the western alliance. >> minis


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