tv Book Discussion on If You Can Keep It CSPAN July 26, 2016 8:00pm-9:16pm EDT
into the theme of the book. ion introducing myself first i did that the last time, let me back up if you don't know what socrates in the city is people have now idea i want to say first of all, thank you for wrapping up the early bird dinner i appreciate that it is tough to pull yourself away golden corral is tough to pull yourself away. [laughter] sees bin in gets mighty river cry has been there before but i want to say this is any event but it is little different. normally i interview someone
with tons of videos of the interviewing extraordinary people i cannot even in think of the list bevy have cab and clad well right here on the stage, i cannot even think the comedy team during san shriver also planted in the andrews sisters hand of london's sisters. flip wilson. avid demand castillo i
interview them all of this stage in darwin. [laughter] is in the lafayette. he was old but we have had the eclectic smorgasbord of socrates is the city tickets and stave from socrates. i am greek so i can pretend with greek philosophy to city and examined life is not worth living. that is so sad. and he said the and examined life is not worth living by the way you are very late take your seat if you're my friend and show up late i will call you about. we realized in the york city
so those questions that they don't get into. that everything is fair game that means we have all kinds of different cast on different subjects i encourage you to go to a website we had then shove even so in oxford in england and we had a wonderful time over the years we would have a speech at a podium like this i think about six years
ago we decided aerobee that cast every six years i can do this i do want both carriers i don't do of this every year so is in 2010 and was the speaker and i introduced myself. i decided not to do that this time this meets the requirements we will pretend we have all the answers but we should think about so they pick this date as the
release date and i thought do they know this is flag day it is very important to me and it turns out they didn't they just happen to pick to 14 as the day the book should come out i would not call it a miracle but it is a coincidence it ended is that the center of what happens trying to think of what else i want to mention. to do that is just a slap in the face. i am stunned of heavy people are here from parts of the country if you're not from the york? unbelievable. it is incredible soviets
i would not of god and the reference myself everybody should know that i would not have caught in the. in 1787 with the constitutional convention independence hall in philadelphia. part of that background is i didn't know this stuff would be a decent education in public schools and led to of a good university but none of that seems to communicate to me the background while wrote this book but things weren't going well for the united states of america to
that it gives river called and then and we win the war. and into a very weak federal government you know, that. [applause] now i get applause. the teapartier is your. and then to be no government. to be an incredibly fragile balance fell to understand it wasn't quite working to say we have got to go back to the drawing board to figure it out they spend 100 days that itself seems miraculous there is no proof
it is miraculous but you have to go to the founders themselves to read what they wrote in a all say trying to find a compromise between the slave states in the free states was essentially impossible. they were despairingly cadaver worked in they were thinking what do we do with their? that as a republic that is the big deal in the history of the world. so we have people in this room doing something to be given a limited monarchy
with all of the founders deal think benjamin franklin did that? and he said that god came to our aid of the formation of this country while we doubt he would help us now? many of those who were there use the word iraq unless that is simply was simply astounding and to walk out of the building and mrs. paul from philadelphia confronts him.
but have you given as the monarchy or the republic? n and franklin says a republic madam, if you can keep it. that is where this comes from. if you can keep it. [applause] but with the odd quirk of history the leeway read about this exchange because of powless and franklin because james mchenry, the 34 year-old happen to overhear this inbred told to write him in his state -- i really reason we vanilla of the existence. it wasn't a speech. this was shot off the cuff it is gone except it was written down. the neck of the importance of those words if you can
keep it. to be utterly unprecedented. house of those greek city states are small. but here we have 13 colonies the couple's million people of the idea of self government to a nation that simply had never been done. the founders in the framers rarely understood what they are trying to do has never been done. through millennial of history and we take this for
it and worked in i think we forgot about the ideas to keep it and i said mitt the idea we have forgotten what it takes to keep it or how important it is for us to keep it. i think we have come to a place where we are in trouble basically we are on fumes but into weeks it will not look very nice i really think that is very are budget to be a people we have to know the stories in the last 20 years that dash narrative has taken hold if
you focus upon native americans we have a right to know about those things because those are bad days we need to read knowledge but it did get stuck to keep say we were bad we did this washington was a slave owner of that cycle is you don't ever celebrate her you are with you abolish slavery you're dealt with the civil rights and the are always struggling, if you seek to be patriotic, something goes wrong is the reason greek proverb in the book that if you don't boast about your house and will fall down and crush you. there is something fundamental intrinsically human to be proud of your village to dryland it is very fundamental about that.
with just something to not have for a the proper health the selfie charter pride in who we are to also go wrong. and where most americans those my age junior. [laughter] don't call me a liar. [laughter] anybody my pager younker probably did not get this in school. i didn't. listening to a man speak i
dedicate the book to the ideas so that you are familiar with that book is speaking about that from your i went to good schools how common never heard what they were talking about? this is what really struck me the golden triangle of freedom. the golden triangle of freedom is simply this. with their virtue that requires straight with dash and requires freedom. freedom requires virtue.
freedom requires virtue they know. is certainly will never see this on tv. talk about virtue what is that? what does this mean that i thought it is basic freedom which is self-government day govern themselves. that means you have to govern yourself. every person has to govern himself you don't need a lot of cops that they pretty much cover themselves most of the time i'm not afraid to be caught or thrown in the dungeons because i believe it is wrong.
so if i can the large bay are virtuous and self-government becomes possible bidders to dimbleby unless they have people who will govern themselves freedom requires virtue of some kind. they all grow to about it. not everyone who is a person of faith is virtuous however the founders knew practically speaking when they saw a committee of a serious they intended to be self-governing and virtuous when they see the effects of the colony's those places would drop it is
extraordinary generally speaking able to ruth cover themselves and faith in turn requires freedom so any kind of real faith if you for said it is not a real. if you go to raise certain church you know, unless they do voluntarily wire they going? yes many countries since europe they you have to go to that church songs i don't buy it but i don't want to go attune jail. so you have to have real freedom for the courage to flourish we all know this as
america you have to have a free market of ideas. i would go to this church because they choose to not because the government forces me. llord note church because i choose we don't force anyone to do go to a particular kind it is free. to be a part of the united states of america what they want to worship so that one day robust expression but the faith must be free so they enshrined richest liberty and have been practicing religious liberty
that america has this kind of stuff. so to save it from this podium and it is crazy. end maybe i am deeply embarrassed so i thought something is wrong this is strange. and one day when my daughter was seven and i found the catalog's seeking get the books you found day paper bottle of the paul revere house that appealed to be.
where his brother makes that tisch and of macias twigs. so i get the thing we build a little house and i realized the paul love paul reveres ride i never read that poem. those that library sneered at. most would want the elliptical of two's pulled that mean nothing. >> guy picked up the poem and some snippets listen my children did you shed here of the midnight ride of paul revere of 75 hardly a man who was now live. i restarted to read i didn't
get past that much it is so beautiful and moving in so then it gets into this type of thing that gore did rockwell is the idea. >> where do we pull this off? and the fresh brie and but we've never is that together. i never felt but i am feeling right now reading this poem they are breaking my heart. there is allied and a
chapter the book to be asleep in his bed that would be the first to fall. to invoke the image of a man sleeping in his bed. and that would be pierced by air british basketball and dies. it appears to be to read it because i have a father in 57 i will want to much but we were older will mean something. you don't hear about this 90. so is a sad thing so that
you realize how sad that is. from the older time. it to do the same thing with my father. but then to celebrate greek independence. and then to be forced to rise and they gave me the long cold and i hated it. but then we would memorize it with the patriots that wants to die as he read the minds in greek did you get
embarrassed the kitchen don't understand david you feel inadequate. but i realize now he was experiencing then when i was experiencing the you read something in older you understand a sacrifice. what people have gone through for our freedom and of health he called church celebrates that so they don't say we don't want to talk about greek exceptionalism if you don't believe we ask my cousin john he is right here. is interesting regions also was raised to the pan-american they came to
the country in the '50s and then there would come after them who the hell are you? do you know, ? have you been to other countries? deal understand what we have? we should be grateful. is a perfect? of course, not if you don't appreciate what we have you are a fool. now put everything in context. you want to be nationalistic chest beating full but to not appreciate what we have this sit down strong especially with the united states of america. reading that paul of made me think we're living in there really strange time. if there were 90 or 80 year-old died that many of them memorized paul revere
is right for the village it was what was done because in order to beat up people they need to know the story that makes you a people otherwise you break down in to read states or blue states beating each other over the head and what we had in common was that history and those stories that we all understood this kind of thing and paul revere was a hero nathan hale died for his country all of these were on the lips of every american when you came to america you are forced to learn this people didn't say we want to talk about your culture some people came to
north america? it seems to me that that's what happens. american exceptionalism doesn't mean that we are inherently better golfer into. i'm a christian and i know everyone has an equal amount of same. everything that we have is a gift from god. i don't think that we are better by any people where we live for our ethnic background. we are better than the french but i will leave it at that. the point is we are not better than anybody. anybody that thinks that america is better it's not that america is better but exceptionalism refers to these ideas which are a gift from god. there's certainly a gift of history from the founders to us. we didn't come up with these ideas or create these things we have. it's a gift so when you are
given an incredible gift you have to know the value of it. the person who did said he would be annoyed because they could have given you a frisbee and saved themselves some money. we have a treasury and we don't appreciate it. we don't know how it works, and it's not easy for us to keep the republic. if you think democracy is easy, try to sprinkle that on iraq and afghanistan and see how that turns out. it doesn't turn out because they haven't been prepared for decades and decades to know how to use it. we were prepared because we had centuries of british law going back to the magna carta. we understood the ideas of virtue. we were prepared in a way that was extraordinary, and i have to say the most extraordinary thing
of all, when i read about george whitfield i was utterly astounded because i realized george whitfield came to the country and there is a chapter in his book he was one of the august figures in history. oddest figures in history. a 25-year-old cross eyed evangelist. he was a phenomenon and made them look like blues are atheists. a loser atheists. he basically preached four times a day nonstop for decades. now this is true. unlike anything existed he came to the shores in 1738 at the invitation of john and charles wesley starting an orphanage in georgia. he was a preaching maniac. was he preaching everyone to
come to the congregationalist church? though. he was preaching you must be born again. it was the most basic gospel message. imagine going to a church they are preaching morality telling you what a jerk you are and you've got to try harder. you are a coalminer, fish wife, failure, and god loves you and has a plan and wants to pour out his love on you and you are no different then the duchess or the king. it was a message of egalitarianism from the gospels. i'm not going to go into this much but he's preaching a message of egalitarianism that people are buying into. we are all made in the image of
god. it pretty much began to create an american character. in a way i'm overstating it for time, but over the course of decades he preached up and down the colony so much that by the time it was over, easy% of the people in the 13 colonies have heard him in person. you remember him in tv these days to use a rabbit antenna on the roof. try to imagine how much they spend preached and when he preached, thousands would come to hear him. by the time he was done americans loved him. he was the only celebrity known from maine to georgia. everybody bought into his thinking, and he also basically said if you are valuable in gods
eyes, no one can rule over you. so the music of the tyrant, be gone. you don't have to submit to this kind of thing because you are valuable as much as he loves king george iii. he di didn't put it that way but these were radical ideas that came out of the gospel. first, you have all of these americans uniting around these ideas of the person up whitfield and many people becoming serious about their faith. so a rival breaks out all over and people became more virtuous. this is why benjamin franklin who wa wasn't an orthodox chrisn loved george whitfield because he said wherever they go they become virtuous and govern themselves. so by the time this is over, he dies in 1770 and suddenly, the people are uniquely prepared to govern themselves.
to create this government, they can hand it over to people who can keep it, who have a better chance than anyone in the history of the world. so we would not exist. now, who knows but the point is that seemed to be the case. i thought to myself it's kind of scandalous we don't know all this and we don't know how fragile our government is our culture. everything we have is republic. if we don't get serious about keeping it, whatever that is, it is game over. we are in the civil war an endes the next essential crisis. if we are facing java web you can pull out a gun and fight the fight. you get that crisis you see.
but this has been termites hollowing assault so that nobody really sees any threat. but if we become america in name only and a hollow shell. we will cease to have self-government, and it's already happening. this is a book for all americans that we all sense somethings aren't going to allow. in a host of ways whether it is clamoring for an extremely strong leader, we know that can go wrong. we know it comes with problems or whether it is clamoring for the judiciary that legislate from the been shut in a way that is fundamentally
unconstitutional. anyway you like because it is so fragile we think that the next essential crisis. it was 1860 and we know america is facing an existential crisis and he wanted america to wake up and see they had to rise to the occasion and fight. poems and stories, these are the things that can galvanize us and see where we are. i hope my book fulfills that kind of role. i hope we can get a conversation started, a bipartisan conversation on the subject because i really do believe there is a threat that we can cease to exist.
we are not going to burn our mansions. it doesn't work that way. but the point is it something we have to take seriously. my publisher has offered to give a number of copies to members of congress and another person who i will not name in the room right now right there to donate a member of the. because i would love every member of congress to ge get it later and see what you think about this? this isn't written for democrats or republicans, it's for every american secular religious it doesn't matter. these are fundamentalist ideas we used to buy into them for 200 plus years. we have to dare to be patriotic in a healthy way, and we have to teach our children what we stand for. i hope those books will be sent
soon. i got a letter from so and so. have you read it? people ask me what can you do and ask them if they got the book and he's read it. the people will be the people and we will hold our leaders to account. something can be done. god forbid i am not permitted to lose hope. our job is to do what we can do and the rest is in god's hands. we have a few minutes for q-and-a. that concludes the entertainment portion of the committee. thank you very much. [applause] i would love now if you don't mind my daughter and i prepared a duet.
she knew i was going to do this. i'm kidding. i'm just teasing. i would love to have a few minutes for your questions. i ask as we always do in the city to put your question in the form of a question. i'm not interested in the statements with a history of your family. but i would love to know if you've got any questions. speak loudly. you've got a microphone. okay if somebody raises a hand, you can ask me anything. i will tell you up front i prefer truth or false questions. find whoever has their hand up. you have to go to the microphone. that's right. i'm sorry to say be brief.
peter martin, welcome. my question is the form of a question but before that, i will ask my question. >> if i had a thunderbolt right now. [laughter] i want to ask this since but every event, we begin with a pledge of allegiance. that's so sweet. it will shock some people watching on c-span and freak them out. >> just don't do the salute because that really gets them.
i would love to do that. what a great idea. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [applause] >> what a great idea. >> we are going to start marching right after. but it's so funny. any kind of patriotism even makes me uncomfortable. i don't know, do we do that? i was someplace and they were singing god bless america. what's wrong with us, are we ashamed of our country? apparently we do. something is wrong.
what does lady liberty mean for the symbol of your book? [laughter] the reason it's okay to talk about american exceptionalism is to be extremely proud of the country because from the beginning, this nation was always a nation for others. this is a fundamentally biblical idea in the early pages of genesis, abraham and god says you are blessed to be a blessi blessing. it's not so that you can take kt on to your self and say we are the chosen people isn't that
great? if you are chosen it is an awesome burden. it's a thing that would make you tremble. in some ways lincoln called this nation the almost chosen people. he said it is something special about this country to touch others. when we have questions we don't say let's see the money first. i don't think that's true. there was a jokthat was a joke . but the point is we have always been generous not just with our treasure but with our blood. not only for the self-interest. those things enter into it. but if you don't understand that american lives had been given
for freedom around the world, we have done the right thing around the world when it cost us, shame on you if you don't know that or you can't admit that or you are so cynical that you don't believe that. we haven't simply acted in our self-interest. we said as we go, the world goes. and our boys died in vietnam we want to just exist here and have everything that we had in everybody else's help. we've always said we are here and actually i read about the epilogue of the book there was a moment i think that might have been i'm pretty sure late 2001 so it must have en two months
after the attacks we were on a speed ferry going to new jersey and we go to the highlands in new jersey and as you are going on the ferry i was always on the upper deck and i look over and we would really close to the statue of liberty and i got choked up. i got choked up because i'm thinking of 9/11 and because of the fact that look at this country. in other words we were attacked by evil men who wanted to do us harm. but we still manage t managed ta posture of welcoming. one of the first things we would worry about is that muslims would be attacked.
you kick the butt of some people that you think are affiliated with those who did this. don't do that. that's not the american way. we've always struggled with th that. you can take up too far and to d release the lobby like angela merkel. that is pure guilt for what happened years ago. they try to repeat themselves and say let's come on a. but the point is we have to think rationally inform the policies rationally but we all know that we are a nation of immigrants and we know that we have to have a posture that says welcome into the statute to be symbolizes that. and it is particularly touching to me because my parents passed the statute in a ship in the 50s. i remember asking my mother when we took her to germany a year ago i asked her about that and
she said it was 5 a.m. and they were woken up and they ran up and there it was. she said it was very emotional. now, why is that emotional for people coming if they know. they know america will give them a fair shake an opportunity to work hard and send their kids to college. that is at the heart of the people so thanks for the question. that is a different kind of exceptionalism. there's all kinds but have heard about freedom and god loves them and who got economic freedom and
introduced why. we said. we don't want to keep these things for ourselves. the question is you can keep it and was a pointed statement. i don't think it's lost but i think we are losing it. this is my best shot to wake us up to what we have and start a movement have some kind that we would take it seriously.
it's a symptom of this that we the people have to be the people and love our country and understand. great question. thank you. we have another. >> before i leave, the last word was delivered by america's greatest speechwriter who preceded the president and his ultimate address. if you are ever at an after dinner speaker you are due at least a 50% refund of this club has very much to do with the statue of liberty coming to america and so on and so forth so we have the club to thank for that as well. >> i loved your intent to be bipartisan in getting the book
out. i should tell you i am a ronald reagan democrat and our parties increasingly have radically different worldviews and many people remember god shouted down in the 2012 election and there are people that would watch this on c-span that would actually present the fact recited the pledge of allegiance. what are your thoughts on bridging that divide? >> that is another one of the fundamental reasons i wrote the book. there are people -- there will always be ideologues on both sides. there are people for whom being reasonable is not acceptable. they have a take no prisoners attitude.
i don't mean ideologically in the middle, they can be in the left or the right they are open to reason that basically yes when i watch mr. smith goes to washington, my heart is touched. i feel the love for my country. we have to be rational and reach out to people. people have read this book who are secular liberals and that proves to me i wanted to write this book for everybody. this is for reasonable people. there will always be those people i think we have to understand that to argue with people on those fringes is to cast pearls. we ought not do it, just let them do what they want. i would submit to you there are plenty of americans across the political spectrum who would say yes there is something here and
a beautiful about teaching the great stories of these heroes. there've been people that have sacrificed their lives so that we can have what we have and we need to understand that not teaching that has harmed us. we are not going to go back to 1920 that we have to really understand that we have failed. i'm convinced that theri am cone people as i say most people who read books in this country, they get us. it's something that must be taken seriously so thank you.
could you be more specific about what things you see as threats to america and why we are losing that [inaudible] >> i think that there are a number of problems. here's the thing we don't talk about virtue anymore. when i was reading particularly some of the stuff in the colonial era, the things they said and the language they used it was remarkable. they talked about honor and duty. we don't talk about that kind of stuff anymore. that is a very odd development.
we have to ask ourselves what has happened and why do we think it's okay to let that stuff evaporated. what will happen exactly if you're not teaching virtue in schools. if you think about it when i say to somebody racism is bad, you will hear that. there are certain things you will hear we have to have discussions on what we believe. what's happened is the classic case. i would say why do i care, what difference does it make?
if people are infinitely malleable and everyone in the world that has value and off to pass dignity and so forth and so on if you believe that then you try to create a society where people respect people that other planes of view that we have to get into that conversation and where we are is the politically correct soundbite. it's to have some of these conversations to introduce people who think about them more deeply we really don't do that anymore. i think that we have to be able to talk about these things that wbutwe have been afraid to. i think that you see examples in the culture in terms of morality there are real problems.
there's all kind of things where you can say i need to do what i need to do to get ahead. what about teaching kids that is wrong. that's okay we don't get into that. when you get your right and wrong we need to have those conversations if we are afraid to because we are afraid we will offend someone and that is what concerns me is that we have to have these conversations about what am i to believe? if my religion teaches me sex outside marriage is wrong or the homosexual lifestyle is not one that i want to follow, hell do i exist in a coach or like this? in america we say you can ask us how you want. we have to respect each other but there are other places in the world would they say if you disagree with somebody, you can treat them as subhuman. that is what radical islam does
and it strikes me as odd that we don't even have a language to talk about. do you know how they treat, they throw them off tall buildings and kill them. we need to have these conversations about what we believe as americans and i think that we have completely avoided it. the government steps in basically and will grow. you have strange things happening like roe v. wade even if you agree with the decision the way the courts got there is bizarre. how do you find in the constitution dot righ that righo same-sex marriage or abortion that even legal scholars say feels like judicial activism and
it's the job of the people in the state of the. you see it with a stronger executive under bush and obama. it's the people that have to say no that's not the way we do things here. we won't allow people to rule over us. i don't think there's any doubt and i don't want to go on any longer but i see all kinds of examples. i'm sure that it's a great question and i don't have more than that.
thank you for what you talk to us tonight. kind of wish that he were running for president. [applause] >> here's my question. if freedom requires virtue and virtue requires god, what are we going to do? it is politically incorrect to talk about god. our children need to have a moral compass. >> when people say it's politically correct, here's my question. so what. if somebody says to you that will offend some people, the
response would be okay, so what. i think one of the most wonderful things about american culture is the desire to please everyone but it can go too far and become a small. i think it has become a flaw for us. the idea that we are changing policy is such an -- it's one of these things that we are bending over backwards for and it's gotten to the point that we say something is out of order we really need to reassert ourselves and need to talk about god and faith and virtue. if people are going to do that in the broadway they will do that in the wrong way. i hope i did it in that right away and we all have the ability
to give it in a civil way and i talk about this because i think that americans have to rise up and begin doing this. we are all responsible for having these conversations. we all need to say so what. i'm not racist, let's move on. do you even know what you're talking about? we have given so much power to the people on university campuses. the academic leaders are so cowardly that they cannot stand up to these tiny maniacs. it's an extraordinary thing but it shows you if you don't have a robust sense of right and wrong, you're going to back down when
people scream and most americans are at a point you see them say we've had enough. we have real problems. let's talk turkey and stop being so easily offended. the first thing we can do is say tough luck. i don't mean to offend anybody. if all that you were going to be is so thin skinneso thin-skinnee conversation, that your choice. in the promotion of virtue my wife and i -- some argue that you are abandoning the schools where the majority of the citizens will be educated. >> let me touch on the specifics of regardless where our children
go to school and engage in the system. >> i am not going to send my daughter to a school so i can make a political statement while her brain is ruined. first we have to take care of our own. if sending kids to this school were that, you have to do that first but you're right to the extent that we can be voices in the public square i agree the situation has gotten out of hand and it's part of why we are here in this conversation why i wrote the book because the teachers unions and so forth, they are not beholden to the free market. they are in there and say tough luck. and you can hear over and over again they are teaching things that have no business getting into. it's the most basic idea of freedom.
i can raise my kids the way i want to raise my kids. i don't have time to teach them so we are going to create a school and pay taxes so that somebody else can do what i want them to do. they are going to be paid and we are going to do what we want to do. they're fundamentally undemocratic. it doesn't make sense. the idea that we have public schools teaching kids things that are not what we would want them to be taught is just fundamentally crazy. that's why you have to have school choice. that's one thing i'm happy to say they are talking about school choice because the idea that i have to send my kids to get indoctrinated, that is just fundamentally un-american. my mother left communist germany when she was 17-years-old by
herself. she was having communist garbage poured down her throat and she said i could take it. i have to get out of there because it was indoctrination. she chose not just to go to another school but to leave east germany. we have to understand if somebody says to me i had my kids in a public school and they said tomorrow we are going to teach third-graders about how they can choose their own sexuality, some parents needs to contact them and say here is what we are going to do. we are going to keep our kids home until the maniacs stop teaching things we don't want them to teach. you have to be willing to keep your kid home. the montgomery bus boycott for a year african americans didn't like the buses because they say that's wrong.
if some people think that they can bring the way they think to bear on our kids, see here is the thing. we are so nice we don't get angry. my kid isn't going to go to school, what are you going to do it's not norway yet. i really think that people have to get involved. we have to be involved in these things and willing to make a fuss because the things they simply don't have this right. if we allow them to do i if we have ourselves to blame.
if somebody is doing that to your kids at some point you have to act. we have time for publicly just one more question. >> i appreciate the way that you contrasted this belief with the virtue that was present at the time. benjamin franklin is kind of a genius hedonist and not all the founders were absolute saints. what has been the virtue that has been kind of walked away from? >> a pitcher goes oif each recoe 20s and 30s. the schools already turned this
into 30s basically. europe turned the corner as a result of world war i that they had seen the church and state was them down and they turned against those authorities and i think the same thing happened with the confidence lost their authority to begin with but i don't think it reached us when it became codified and part of the way that we function so it's not something you can put your finger on something that media tends to be uncomfortably secular where you don't have
that kind of a free-market updating in the media. the media is typically people that are secular. they don't get that. so they speak a different kind of language. and i think that, you know, the market always corrects itself, but it doesn't necessarily do it the right way. we had 70 years of soviet communism before that wall fell down. so these things can last a long time and i would say for about 50 or so users we have this hollywood basically created antiheroes kosovo before that i mentioned mr. smith goes to washington. suddenly they were seen as corny or something like that. so it's part of the culture. the ivy league where i went to school. it's part of the way that people begin to see things and that's the clubs you belong to help people think. and i really think that the
gatekeeper and people in media and the teachers unions and politics basically are the ideologues. over time it is effecting america. so i think that we are at a tipping point. we are very close to the edge. so, for me there is hope that i see this with the level of desperation as well. we must take this seriously. this isn't something that can go on. so there you have it. thank you so much for coming. [applause] thank you. i appreciate that. let me say what we are going to do is let the party continue. and you can hang around as long as you want. i will be signing books as long as there are people that want books signed.