tv Book Discussion on Blood Defense CSPAN August 6, 2016 7:00pm-7:31pm EDT
>> elizabeth greenwood talks about the fraud industry and why some people take their own death in the book, playing dead. nicholas irving relate some of the most dangerous missions and university of london researcher susan williams recalled american efforts during world war ii to secure high-quality uranium for in spies in the congo. look for these titles and book stores this coming week. >> marcia clark, who is samantha? >> samantha is a criminal defense lawyer, she left the public defenders office a office a few years back-she is in private practice and struggling to make a name for herself and
bring her practice to the major-league. she had a very tortured past, very traumatic childhood. she herself was probably twisted at birth anyway and the combination has made her somewhat unusual. the laws a suggestion that she is free to ignore she frequently does. >> is there certain breed for defense attorneys? >> guest: that's a good question. i'm not sure. defense lawyers -- a prosecutor has to think about a fair trial for everyone as an ethical obligation to make sure it is not just about getting a conviction but getting it in a fair way so everybody's right is protected. the defense have no such obligation. a defense attorney only has to take care of his or her client. and so that samantha, that's what she does. she only worries about her clients and about winning and
that's only thing she worries about. >> host: does the client have to be innocent to defend? >> guest: for a defense attorney worried about only defending the innocence, that attorney would have no practice. you cannot be that picky. your clients are are 99% of the time, at least going to be guilty. >> host: is a former prosecutor, is this cases waited in your way >> guest: we make it that way. because someone is innocent beyond proven guilty it's a very heavy burden. we start out over here, the prosecution has to work and turn the table, all the way over here, beyond reasonable doubt. it is not an easy thing to do. >> host: "blood defense", do samantha brinkman, what what is
the plot of the book? >> guest: the plot in "blood defense" is a celebrity case basically. in which an lapd veteran detective charged with the murder of a young actress who had been on the skid after being a child star she spiraled down and climbed way back up and found her way into a cult favorite television show. just about on the brink of restart amid making it as a comeback to kid when she and her roommate are brutally murdered. the detective is charged with their murders because he was dating the actress and so it becomes a big celebrated case in samantha doesn't really want to take the case to be honest with you. she does not like police over paralegal who is also her childhood friend says you have not paid me into months, we need the money, you go get this case. and then she does. >> are these characters based on your career at all? >> guest: in a way.
i think someone said that an author puts himself or herself and to every character. i think that's really true. whether i want to or not, i am in every character, certainly i am in samantha. and i think for think for sure all of my life experiences find their way into the stories and into the characters and the clients that samantha represents. i used to be a defense attorney before it became a prosecutor. all all of these experiences in my experiences as a prosecutor all comes in. >> host: why did you switch from defense to prosecution? spee2 is really okay to me when i was defending drug cases and prostitutes and all that. that i started more more handling violent crimes and that i want up working on a case involving a double homicide and attempted murder in which the defendants, our clients dragged a woman into a current staffed
her 17 times and threw her out in the alley. she died. so when i got to that it was like, i don't i want to do this. i don't think i want to stand i think i want to stand up for the victims. >> host: how long were you prosecutor? >> guest: fourteen years. >> host: how did the o.j. simpson case change a life? >> guest: in so many ways that i do not even have time to talk. and in so many ways that i'm probably not even aware of. it certainly did make me look at my life and decide to take another turn. whether i would have left the prosecutor's office had it not been for the simpson case, could i tell you. i don't know. maybe i would have anyway but i certainly did after that case. i found a whole different life. >> host: this is your six-foot? >> guest: yes.
>> host: what got you started? >> guest: i did a number of things, i was a commentator and i did hosting and all kinds of speaking, lecture series and i did a lot of things. then i was i was a consultant on a one hour trauma. on lifetime. then i started writing scripts and in the creator of that show when i started writing pilots. we sold pilots to a few networks and then i decided that i always wanted to write science fiction since i was a kid. i thought if not now, then went. and so that is what happened i started writing crime fiction. >> host: you have one nonfiction book. >> guest: the one nonfiction book is about the trial, without a doubt. it is now on e-book and republished an out imprint to get. so that is the only nonfiction book that i have written. i really have a stepped away from reality. i have gone into --
>> host: to find yourself getting defined by that one trial? >> guest: i don't define myself by that. >> host: to other people define you that way? >> guest: other people choose to or not to. since i've been writing fiction, less and less so. people less and less defined me that way. some even, even younger ones don't know. they mean they say oh, you mean the author. that's great. i love that. sure a lot of people do, especially after after the the mini series on fx came out. that reinvigorated the interest in the case. a lot of people do associate me with that. more and more they're associating me also with being an author in writing crime fiction which is really great. >> host: did you work on the fx series at all, did you consult on that question work. >> guest: they do not consult any of us at all on that series.
none of us. i had nothing to do with it at all. >> host: what did you think of it? >> guest: i thought it was great, amazing. i thought the performances were phenomenal. all of them. just incredible. >> host: true to life? >> guest: i can't speak for all of them because i did not know all of them that well. but from what i did know, yes, true to life. very to life. very well done. certainly sterling brown did a wonderful brown did a tremendous job. what he did really amazingly is how she did this i don't know, she had managed to show you how i was feeling on the inside which i just on how she knew that, but she did. it was incredible what she did. >> host: how is your writing change since your first book, get by association? >> guest: i was hoping gets better. when people say which book i should read i would say
the most recent one because i hope hope that with every book i am getting better and improving. and to the series, the verse were four novels that i wrote were based on a prosecution. a prosecutor in los angeles. but you are constrained. when you read about prosecutors there certain ethical boundaries to can cross other ways people are knocking to like them very much. it's also also not very realistic. prosecutors do have, as i said that the goal obligation to have a fair trial and make sure the defendant is fairly convicted. but when you go to the defense side you do not have to about it. you just went for the defense. i want to trade more darker, complex and while character and that is my turn to samantha brinkman in "blood defense". >> host: there has been a lot of it talk national conversation on our justice system. incarceration issues, what is your take? >> guest: i need a little more specifics. >> host: are we over
incarcerating are we too zealous in our prosecution. you have a case that someone is guilty, you prosecute prosecute that. but the thing about that is the question, does everyone who deserved to be prosecuted also deserve to be prosecuted. in my opinion know. to meet drug cases are the very best example. so. so many of the people that about defended i believe deserved rehab. they needed to to be helped, they didn't mean to be incarcerated. we're wasting lives and taxpayer dollars. these people can be rebuilt in rehabilitated. they can go out and actually become good citizens to contribute to society. instead where wasting their lives in prison. they don't belong there.
they have minor theft cases, we are walking back on the incarceration rates and making them misdemeanors and finding more ways to put them in diversion programs instead of incarceration. i think that is the right track. >> host: there's a new book coming out this year about prosecutors and the increase in the number of prosecutors and the fact that they were given the loss and they went after a lot of criminals. other too many prosecutors? >> guest: i don't know. across the country i cannot comment. in california, it does not seem so. in fact prosecutors seem to have big caseloads which indicate there is not too many them. when there too many prosecutors are not very many cases to handle, you can spread them out. there caseloads, like i said exponentially by reducing the crimes. crimes that were considered
felonies that required sentences have been reduced to misdemeanors on which they get privation. they have also reduce drug crimes that you get diversion programs. for a lot of different kinds of crimes and criminals we are declassified some criminals as victims for example. girls girls have been trafficked, human traffic, six traffic, now being handled as the victims that they really are. they're being diverted being diverted which means when they get arrested for prostitution and we can find out that they've been trafficked, what they wind up with no conviction whatsoever and they just get put into programs or they can find lives in and stand on their own two feet. so they they don't get stigmatized by conviction. so in california were finding ways to not over prosecute. >> host: if someone picked up "blood defense" are they going to learn a little bit how the systems work? >> guest: they will.
to show you how it really worked. the stories fictional. the way in which the way in which he uses the media, twitter and all the rest of the society. legally as well as socially i try to make it as realistic as possible. >> host: social media 1994. what was the trial would have been life like? spee2 can you imagine? i can't even think about it. it scares me. imagine what it would be with twitter, it's that check, instagram, it's mind-boggling you never hear the end of it. even as it was during that trial that was relatively new back then, can you imagine. we don't even use faxes back then. faxes were. faxes were new and there is an office machine because nobody had personal one. they were blowing up the fax
machine. we are getting thousands of faxes per day from people commenting on the case. it's crazy. so i cannot imagine social media. what i can imagine is when we look at our cell phone technology. just cell phone technology alone would make a big difference. because we could tell based on what people are doing their cell phones where they are. imagine we could tell you where all of those players were, all day, all night, down to the second. talking about where would be o.j. simpson, where's the coal, worse right, where smart for me. we would be able to track everybody's movement. it would be a very different case. >> host: is that a little big brother? >> it is, sure enough. this is the give-and-take that we have. the technology makes a lives easier and faster, it's also the technology that open stores and
try lives that we have no privacy. >> host: is someone who lived it, do you think cameras in the courtroom are good idea? >> guest: i had a lot of back and forth with that my life. i have always been ambivalent about it. when i finish the trial i thought, they're terrible, we should not have them, we have them, we shall at the federal courts have a mission them out. goldman never agreed with me he said nobody would know the travesty that verdict was if they had not seen it. if the cameras have not been in the courtroom. he is right. really brought me around to his way of thinking. having said that, i think there needs to be limits. i think the camera should not be in the courtroom if the jury is not there because then when you have hearings about evidence that the jury should not here, you should not have cameras and there either. so the jury's camp somehow find out about it. you have to be very careful about how much you
televise. >> host: marcia clark, you reference that uis wanted to be a writer, since you are a little, where did you grow up? >> guest: i grew up. >> guest: i grew up all over the country. eyes born in berkeley and then we moved immediately after that and all over the place. washington down to texas and then california. southern california, the northern california. then detroit, maryland and new york. then we came back. >> host: what kind of work to do parents to? >> guest: my father worked for the federal government. >> host: at what point did you decide you wanted to be a lawyer? >> guest: i didn't decide wanted to lawyer until i graduated from college. i graduated ucla with a degree in political science with a minor in international relations. focusing on the middle east. i had wanted to work in the state department and the foreign office, and field but not so
crazy they were about having girls in the foreign office. when i applied in at the time i spoke french hebrew, english, some spanish, and i thought could this not be good, this could be good, right. and they asked me if i could type. [laughter] >> host: what was your response? spee2 i said no thank you. i wasn't that good at typing. [laughter] >> host: so you went into law school. >> guest: yes. >> host: prior to the o.j. simpson case what kinda cases did you work on and what was your reputation? >> guest: prior to that case had been in the office i started with the das office in 1981 after one after having been a defense attorney for a few years. and then in 1980, 1985 i believe i want up a special trials unit
which was the elite unit all the handled were the big cases and they tended to be murder cases, capital cases so they were complex cases and at that time is a very small unit, just for older men and when they brought me in i was the only female. so i have been in that unit for close to ten years by the time simpson case came around. i've been handling what we called high-profile cases back then for quite some time. >> host: name one of the cases you worked on. >> guest: i handled the case with the proper part of who was the stocker who murdered an actress. i was in the early, notorious stocking cases. back before what we really knew what stocking was really all about. >> host: are you still lawyering in any way? >> guest: yes. what what i'm
doing now is having court-appointed appeals, criminal appeals. in california when you're convicted of a felony you're you're entitled to one direct appeal to the court of appeals. when you cannot afford a lawyer they .12 you kind of like a public defender only with private practice. most of the people who get convicted of felonies i really tapped out. if they had anything they spent it on the trial lawyer. so by the time they are in the state prison and need to file an appeal they have no more money. so the court appoints people like me. they will call and say we have an appointment for you, do want to take it or not. it's all in writing, so it's all written work. what's cool about it is i get is i get to see cases from the entire state of california and i also get to see how cases are being tried today, what level level of evidence, what kind of science are they using, what are the jurors like in the verdict like. it's a great way to get my hand in and also do something good for society.
so. >> host: what is the secret to writing a murder mystery? spee2 i don't think there's a secret secret that you can really impart. it is always a matter of inspiration, what's intriguing to you, what you are you thinking about, or what's happening in the world that intrigues you. writing about that. you have to find that because you live with a book for a book for quite some time. if you're not intrigued by your is going to be boring for a long time. if you're bored bored the reader's going to be bored. but i voice but addicted to crime since i was like for five years old. >> africa that's, young. but i love it. i really do. so i am constantly seeing things and thinking about things that interest me like what you do that and why did he do that. not necessarily always crimes but it always wrapped into a crime somehow. so i think that's really the secret, writing about what is
intrigue most recently. >> have you considered leaving l.a. >> i thought about living somewhere else, but i know it so well in the the weather suits me. my kids are in the bay area so i would not want to go very far. i think i'm probably going to stay there. >> host: marcia clark, your most recent book is "blood defense". this is book tv on c-span2. >> c-span is visiting the city of port here are located next to the heart of the sinkler river where we meet up with author joe stone as he talks about the role in the 19th century. >> at the turn of the last century the river behind us here was one of the busiest waterways in the world. the st. clair river and detroit river in 19 oh seven constituted more tonnage than the port of new york and the port of london
put together. so this waterway was moving ships at an incredible pace. some of them were the huge freight carriers, that we have in some of them were the passenger ship carriers that were here. everyone of them of them if you're going from mackinac to detroit to buffalo, you pass right by this point. the history of steamboats on the great lakes started almost 100 years ago. in 1817, two steamboats were launched on lake ontario, one by by the canadians, one by the americans. and that the process rolling. the following year steamboat was constructed in blackrock, new york which is near niagara falls. that vessel ran between the blackrock or buffalo and detroit for about three years before it was wrecked.
that was the beginning of the steamboat age. people understood, they did not travel very fast, they traveled reliably. if you are on a sailboat you had to wait for the win. if you are in a if you're in a sailboat working against the current behind us it was almost impossible unless the wind was behind you. with the steamboat, you would get on the boat and the boat would reliably travel at six, eight, or ten knots and you would get there at a regular schedule. you could finally finally rely on shipboard travel to get there where they wanted to be. with opening of of the canal in 1825, there was an influx of immigrants coming inches soon after that, within five or eight years there was a railroad running right next to the erie canal. all of a sudden you have two very reliable forms of transportation coming inches unfortunately the in. unfortunately the railroad stopped at buffalo. once you got that far you had to find another way to get to detroit to catch the next train. trains then ran across the bottom of michigan to chicago, the first train reach there in
1852 and from there you could get to the west were were the wonderful farmland was. before the american civil war, if you wanted to get to the second train, you had to get on a ship. so the. so the entrepreneurs who are running the vessels partnered with the railroad companies in the ship became basically an extension of the railroad. frankly, a much more beautiful extension of the railroad. if you are on a train, trains a train, trains were early, they are not as ornate as we think of. they were not very comfortable. if you wanted to get up and walk around, you walked up and down the out. for us if you got on the steamer, one of these beautiful paddlewheel steamers were not only in beautiful, ornate salons, you can walk around the decks there is a lot to view. people up in the view up and down the river is gorgeous. it was much nicer, more comfortable way to travel assuming you are not in a storm or the boat did not catch fire. while tourism has been
effectively an important business in the great lakes basin since right after the war of 1812, tourism really picked up in the 18 eighties, 1880s, 1890s. industries that establish themselves, people had the resources to take a sunday off and go for a short cruise, were actually take a vacation. that did not start until the 1880s, 1890s and then all of a sudden the is shifted from moving people around to actually taking them to destinations. taking them to mackinac, taken a detroiter to see chicago, to see, to see the great exposition in 1893. all of a sudden tourism business became a very important part of this. it became much like the cruiseship industry is today. the ships were design for these beautiful groups of people that would come on and want to travel. that started the second palace era. while the first palace era has
taken place in the 1840s and 18 fifties, the second palace era started about 1880 and one up through 1910. the. the second palace era was even grander than the first. the boats were bigger, the boats were more elegant. some of the interiors of the salons you thought you were walking into oversight palace. they were spectacular. the furniture, everything everything lent itself to an elegant lifestyle. so even middle-class people who travel brought their best clothes, they went there to be seen and to see all the gorgeous people who are wondering these boats and enjoy being out on the water. remember, this is before air-conditioning. so on a good, hot summer day, the best way to cool off was to get on a boat. sometimes you travel on a long
excursion, couple of days. but especially in the detroit area we had island parts that you would travel to. he would get on a small steamer, trouble for a couple travel for a couple of hours, maybe from detroit to port huron and while you're doing that the boat is traveling at 50 miles per hour. you have a beautiful, cool breeze coming over. the men of course are probably more comfortable than the ladies. the ladies were in layers of petticoats and that kind of thing. but it was certainly much better than hanging out in the hot, hot city. steamboats became a very affordable way to relax and enjoy the day. today, we still have passenger boats that come, mostly come from the ocean and spend a little time here in the summer. there are also passenger ferries. if you go up to mackinac you cannot get there without being on a very. if you get to be ryland and a lake michigan, you get a four hour ride on a boat. there is also across lake michigan, the michigan, the badger which is less coal-fired passenger carrying steamboat in the united states. if you really, really want a great ride and experiences steamboat, he can still do it today.
people forget how important the great lakes was to developing the middle of america. the heartland of america. prior to the 1880s or 1890s when railroads finally reached in there, prior to the 1920s when automobiles could finally get people into all of the small town's, if you really wanted to travel and travel comfortably, the best way to go was on the steamship. because of that, the businessman who ran those firms were drawn innovated in order to draw people. innovated in the luxury that was in there votes. innovated and making comfort something people could buy and understand. they innovated their engines, they innovated their and advertising. there is many things tied up in the steamboat business. it was
very important to the development of america as a whole. i america as a whole. i think we forget that. the steamboat industry is been lost to history. think about steamboats, very often americans think of the beautiful steamboats on the mississippi river which were essentially waning by the american civil war. they think of the steamboats that were written about in a musical. they don't tend to think about the beautiful coastal steamers either on the east coast or west coast. most particularly on the great lakes. it is here on the great lakes were much innovation happen, the largest paddlewheel is in the world were built on the great lakes. some of the most elegant vessels in the world were built on the great lakes. in fact, several of our vessels ended up vessels designed by people on the great lakes ended up working on the east coast. it was an important part of the development of steamships, particularly the passenger vessels. i think that is something that has been lost in a help my book will bring that back to people.
i hope they enjoy that. >> for more information on book tvs recent visit to port here on and many other destinations on her, go to c-span.org,/city store. >> you're watching book tv on c-span2, television for serious readers. here's a look on prime time today. we kickoff event with even with joined stone, former chairman of the u.s. commodity trading commission who offer solutions to national issues from saving social security and reducing inequality, to making education and healthcare more affordable. then at 8:45 p.m., clear mount college professor john shields talks about conservative professors in higher education. at 9:00 p.m. eastern, katzenstein discusses what we can learn about history, presidential politics, law, economics politics, law, economics and culture from the movie star wars. at 10:00 p.m. on the afterwards program, wall street journal is calm us on the tactics she's says the left is using to disrupt thpo