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i can tell them a story that gets them to sit down and read for an hour, for several nights in a row, and say, this is unbelievable, this is amazing, the way i do when i'm a reader. when i write what i want to read. and i love to read. and i love a good story. especially a nonfiction story. and i view it as a challenge but also a tremendous privilege to be paid to tell great stories that are also true. i don't have the imagination to make them up. but i'm pretty got at finding the things that actually did happen. >> host: your first book in 1992, opening arguments, young lawyers first taste, u.s. v. oliver north and then the run of his life, the people v. o.j. simpson in 1996. a vast conspiracy, the real story of the sex scandal that nearly brought down the president. came out in october of 2000.
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>> if you would not mind silencing your cell phones and making sure there on silent. we are recording this event. we also have c-span here with us today. so not having interruptions would be great. we will have about a one-hour presentation with half of the time given to our authors presentation and the other have given to your questions. we have one microphone on the side of it if you would not mind using that for your questions and you can pick it up on the recording and everyone will be able to hear you. finally, we typically ask that you the pure chairs at the end of the event before getting in the signing
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line. if you can leave the chairs where they are, we have another couple of events this afternoon. i'm so pleased to be welcoming kadish candace to discuss her new book, lincolns generals why. women who influence the work for better or worse. this. this book is a detailed and lively account of the role of four women during the civil war. using letters, memoirs send her subjects wartime travel report, the group biography of jesse fremont, nelly mcclellan, ellie sherman and julia grant each made to union army general shows how much these women influence their spouses and through them the president and the nation. this is a historian, writer and a member of the advisory boards for both president lincoln's college here in d.c. and the leases s and julia d grant in detroit. she's written articles for the new york times and she also let me know before we started that
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she had a palm published with us in our district lines, opus publication which was a publication last year she has received her mi and the history of george washington university and this is her first book. please help me in welcoming our author. [applause]. >> a being here today brings me full circle. in late 2002 came to politics and prose, my home away from home i went to my favorite section over there, browsed it and bought the book that change my life. the book that led me here today to talk to about my book. thank thank you all so much for
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coming. it has been said by recent biographers of abraham lincoln including sidney blumenthal who is europe a month ago that abraham lincoln would not have been abraham lincoln without his wife. i can tell you without eight years of research and writing the same is true of the most famous union civil war general and their lives. john charles. >> reporter: , sherman, and and ulysses s grant would not have been who they were without jesse benton nelly marcy ellie union and julia dense. i first came to the story ten years ago when i was in graduate school learned that ellen sherman sherman popper has been in january of 18 to 62 from earlier reading i knew that jesse ben fremont had not been
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the president on her husband's behalf behalf if you months earlier. as a former congressional aide and lobbyist, i was intrigued by their lobbying efforts and by the very different results achieved. i wanted to know more about how these wives influence their husbands careers. i was confident they had because i was raised in a military family. i learned very early this strength, courage, and resilience required of military spouses. i began with jesse and ellen and after initial research decided to also tell the story of the wife's of two men whose career trajectory in the civil war roughly matched those of fremont sherman. like fremont, george mikell cleland was one of lincoln's first appointments to major general in may of 1861. by the end of 1862 neither of those men commanded any troops at all. lincoln had relieved them of
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command. the same dane fremont and mcclellan were made general sherman was commissioned a journal. grant received his first command is a kernel two months later in july of 1861. by 1865 sherman and grant, spoiler alert, they work at the very top of the united states army command. they rose from obscurity to national, even international fame but just a bit of a bonus material here, it's not in my book, your cyc inches i think this graphically illustrates the trajectories of their careers. this is fremont; in 1861 and mrs. sherman and grant in 1865. you know the old adage, behind
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every great man there is a great woman. but how exactly does that work? what about the not so great men of history. and the woman behind them? even now it seems to me more than mere coincidence that when i found these two matching sets of generals i found i found two sets of wives who shared important cac characteristics too. today i will only talk about a few of the characteristics. early on i realize that none of the wives lived in one place during the war. some of them traveled widely, even in the south. a longtime math lever i decided to map their travels and i began with the rough distance cognitions on my talk later with mapquest and then wisely as you can see from that, hired a professional photographer. scott sommer who would work with me on an earlier project. scott, who is just accepted the position as senior map editor for national geographic in washington took my map points
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from letters, newspapers, memoirs, unofficial military record and map the wives were time travels as others have mapped the generals. scott believed and i do to, that the maps in this book tell a new story of the civil war. they also tell at a glance much about the relationship between these husbands and wives. jesse benton fremont was the woman i thought i most admired as i started my research, but i soon altered my opinion. from the start i thought i knew a lot about her. she was smart, savvy, born into a political family, raised, raised by doting father who educated and groomed her to be the toast of washington society. at the age age of 15 she fell in love with lieutenant john fremont. a dashing explorer for the u.s. army topographic core with no social standing and little
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financial prospect. senator thomas hart was not about to allow his daughter to marry so far beneath her station. but marrying him, she did, secretly in 1841 when she was 17 years old. and there 20 years of marriage before the civil war jesse's aggressive ambition for her husband resembled the unrelenting coaching of the stage mother. she carried on that way during the civil war. when her husband assumed command at the western military district in july 1861, jesse followed him to st. louis and established herself in a small office in front of his office. as is on official chief of staff. in st. louis she was referred to as a general jesse. when her husband issued an emancipation order and music
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missouri in late august 1861 without advising president lincoln in advance, it was general jesse who boarded a train easter to convince the president that he should not revoke her husband's order, even though union soldiers were laying down their arms in missouri. at that early at that early stage of the war they had not yet signed up to free slaves. her late night encounter with lincoln in september was one of the most famous meetings in the white house during the civil war. neither she nor he handled it well. but most of of the blame goes to jesse who threatened, who demanded lincoln's confidential correspondence correspondence and even seem to threaten that her husband would challenge the president's authority. she encouraged fremont to flat the order of revocation. he did, and lincoln's relieved him of command. so fremont was. so fremont was given another command in 1862 in western virginia. that also ended badly. jesse was at his side there too.
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she set up an office in his office in wheeling. fighting for him, alongside him, to the very that are and. she fought hard for her husband always. until the election of 1864 when she secretly derailed his candidacy for president against lincoln. prompted by a cartoon in harper's weekly magazine. george and nelly mcclellan are a fascinating if not infuriating couple. he was a child prodigy from an upper-middle-class family in philadelphia who entered west point at the age of 15. nelly who story has never fully been told before except for in this book, was a celebrated blue-eyed beauty who turned down eight marriage proposals, including one from mcclellan before she accepted his second petition. on their waiting day in may, 1860 mcclellan was president of the illinois central railroad. the urine have later, the
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34-year-old was general in chief of the united states army in the middle of the civil war. the mcclellan's are prominent on the party scene in washington d.c. in the summer, -- in the winter of 1862. even as the white house congress and the newspapers fumed at his delays in confronting the enemy. and lincoln's memorable's memorable phrase, mcclellan had the slows. in fact, the the general had serious mental problems. mcclellan's at daly's letter to nelly revealed that he was often deluded, always paranoid, and narcissistic in the extreme. nelly said her husband disdain for lincoln and his cabinet in her letters mcclellan had his own problems to be sure but she had tim on against his civilian and military superiors. nelly may have realized that she married a complex and proud
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young man but she could not have imagined the consequences to the nation of her unquestioning support for his warped worldview. nelly had joined her husband at the luxurious headquarters home in washington. in late 1861 when he took command of all union forces. when mcclellan finally moved his arm in finally moved his army south in april 1862, nelly began traveling north to new york and, connecticut and new jersey. indeed more than once she literally fled to new york city to avoid criticism of her husband. that was rampant in the nation's capital. lincoln relieved mcclellan for command soon after the battle in late 1862. mcclellan fled to europe for a time to escape humiliation. when they return, they spent much time in the fifth avenue hotel in new york city, the well-known onto most fervent anti- lincoln
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democrat. he convince mcclellan to run for president against lincoln in 1864. after he lost that election they fled together again to europe. we know for certain that george love nelly, but did nelly love george? his biographers made that effect, the answer is not obvious in my opinion. i tell the tale of her useful passion and engagement to the future confederate general, ap hill which was supported by her mother. but i found even more convincing evident of her ambivalence towards mcclellan and her behavior during the war and later in life after her husband died. unlike many civil war widows, nelly abandon responsibility for defending mcclellan's reputation after his death. nelly left her husband's legacy to the not so tender mercies of a very misguided literary
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executor to publish perhaps the most inaccurate and most criticized memoir of any civil war general. it included more than 200 of the wartime letters mcclellan had written to nelly. in those letters which mcclellan had always asked nelly to keep private, he had poured out his abusive lincoln, the gorilla, the baboon, stanton, and howard, the doubtful. it's almost enough to make you feel sorry for george mcclellan. almost. if jesse fought too hard for her husband, nelly fought not at all. unlike the other wives, she met her husband as a young child, they were neighbors in ohio where their fathers were best friends. when william father died of typhoid, ellen's father walked next-door and offered to take in one of the 11 children left
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fatherless and penniless. according to family legend, sherman's mother chose comp, as he's always chose called. for most of their childhood ellen was away at catholic boarding school and lording comp went west point. they wrote to each other then and all their lives, long, interesting long, interesting letters that transform their friendship and fostered civil sibling relationship and to love. they were married in 1850 in washington washington across from the white house at francis preston blair's house which her father was united states for secretary of the interior had been renting. i learned that ellen suffered from numerous illnesses heard life. she died in 1882 at the age of 64 from heart 64 from heart failure. the only one of the wives to predecease her husband. her worst helmet struck her in her youth. a form of external tuberculosis.
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it was a widespread disease in those days before pasteurization which was invented in 1864. since it was transmitted and raw milk from diseased cows. it is a terrible, disfiguring disease. it's marked by huge boils on the side of that, jaw. they in the job. they would swell and he wrapped and then temporarily subside. ellen was plagued by this her whole life. i think it speaks volumes about shirt sherman's character that the terrible disease did not prevent him from loving ellen and marrying her. but they did love each other as obvious in the letters. from the. from the earliest days of the war when ellen was in ohio and he was posted here before the first battle of bull run she wrote to him often asking if she could bring their newest baby, their sixth child with her to
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washington and stay with him. but sherman was opposed to having women in camps. he camped with his men across the potomac river and later criticize mcclellan's luxurious lodging and washington with his wife. nonetheless, ellen did travel on more than one occasion to help her husband. in november 1861, she raced to louisville could, kentucky when the first reports of concern about sherman reacher. she took him to see a doctor. sherman had been forced to take command of the department of the cumberland when general robert anderson's health field. a post for three months earlier sherman had specifically asked president lincoln he not be given. lincoln had agreed. sherman feared his troops were badly outnumbered and began to show signs of a nervous breakdown. as he requested he was soon relieved of the command and moved to a less stressful posting, but as but as a consequence of that emotion, newspapers around the country carried the startling headline,
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general william t sherman, insane. and so, in january 1862 on travel 62 on travel to get on his behalf. this time to washington test the president of the united states for help in restoring her husband's reputation. reputation. that meeting was far more productive than jesse's had been, in large part because of ellen's opinion of an attitude toward the president. sherman took president lincoln's advice as ellen reported it to him. soon he was rising again in the ranks. again and again ellen asked comp if she could visit him in the field. he consistently refused until after the great union victory when he wrote to her that she and her children could come to his camp on the banks of the big black river. ever mindful of disease like malaria, yellow fever fever and typhoid that killed his father, cop assured her in the letter, i have a healthy camp.
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and ellen took four of their six children with her to mississippi. the sherman's had been apart for most of the previous two years had a great time together until grant ordered sherman to relieve the siege of chattanooga in early october. as sherman left it became clear that their younger son willie was not well. almost as soon as their boat arrived in memphis, the young boy died. probably typhoid. those last time ellen traveled to be with him during the war. she went back to lancaster, buried her son and soon her mother to welcome fought from chattanooga south. in june 1864, ellen would become pregnant while vicksburg for another son, her seventh child before sherman began his march.
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cut off from communication along the way, he did not learn that baby charles sherman died on december 4 until he arrived in savannah at the end of december and read about it in the newspaper. the rest of the war ellen and her children divided their time between lancaster notre dame where they were in school. except for a trip to chicago to take part in the catholic church fundraising for soldiers medical needs. ellen was a devout catholic or whole life. it has often been accused of putting her faith ahead of her country and her husband. that's not true. let me read a bit from the last chapter of ellen's part of my book. the 19th century reverberated with ugly anti-catholic prejudice, with charges that catholic served only their pope another country. but if there any question whether applicability america, ellen sherman was a the definitive answer. in her words and deeds, and private and in public, on to split a passion for the united states of america at the most every protestant
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might hope to match what can ever see. ellen had instructed her sons to wave the flag for lincoln's election in 1860. even before the. even before the civil war began she urge can't to rejoin the army and defend the union. when he wanted to hide in the wake of the charge of insanity. she rallied his spirits to keep him in the war. when sherman threatened to resign a year later, she sharply rejected that course of desertion and urged him to remain on duty and had great victories for him. in her letters to comp, she, she wrote that she wish she were a man so she could fight, she wished her sons were old enough to buy. she wished her her daughters were son so they could fight. of her beloved brothers, possible death of the second battle of bull run she declared, no greater glory than to fill a patriots gray. the thought of catholics assessing drove her to pray fervently that vengeance shall fall upon them yet for being soft for their country.
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fortified by her faith, ellen whether the tragic justice of two young sons even as she urged her husband to stay in the field and wage a unrelenting war against the rebellion. so, jesse traveled with her husband, nelly traveled from her husband and ellen traveled to and fro. but julia grant was the civil war's ward road warrior. every every biographer of grant mentioned she was with him a lot. they don't really say more than that. her memoirs are full of tales of being in camp with them. i learned that the confederate track her movement too. julia's map, like the others map in the book is a rough approximation of her travel and doesn't show many of her shorter trips. no matter, it is clear that julia traveled more than 10,000 miles during the civil war to be with her husband. why did julia travel so much? i
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found the answer in her eyes. as amazing as it is that she traveled so far, often with four young children in tow, sometimes through enemy territory, it is even more astonishing when you realize that she did it with a disability. julia grant was born with an eye defect. it made her eyes look cross which in barrister all her life. she always preferred to be photographed in profile. it also made it difficult, but not impossible for her to read and write. she most certainly never saw anything in three dimension, and she had no depth perception. and an insignificant challenge in an area of horses, carriages and ferries. but similar to his attraction, ulysses velma with julia despite her obvious disability. they fell in love and they stay that way for nearly 40 years.
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there is is one of the great love stories of american history. but how julia love grant, she broke his heart again and again when she failed to write letters to him. time and again he pleaded for information about their children , does fred have teeth yet? asked if if she had received valuable items from him. my commission is rickety or general, and in hundreds and hundreds of letters over nearly 20 years he begged her over and over, and, and over again to write to him more often. i needed to understand why she didn't. i first did a very close reading of her memoir which provides important clues, specially especially in her tales of her childhood. and then i turn to medical expertise including insights from one of doctor oliver sacks most famous case study from doctor sue barry. i go go into considerable detail in lincoln's
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generals life wives about how her eye defect was a problem. ulysses need constant reassurance for her love is shook his confidence to the core when he did not hear from her and it was at the root of his reckless resignation from the army in 1864. and so when ulysses decided to return to the army in april 1861, they sought to overcome her inability to write to him on a regular basis. her first offer was to send their 11-year-old son fred with him. when ulysses got his command in late july. but grant and fred to grow but soon sent fred back when the troops are called into battle. so amazing as amazing, julia decided she would rather travel to be with ulysses then have ulysses suffer the consequences of her not writing. in the fall the fall of 1861, julia and her
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four children travel from galena, illinois during the northwest corner to live with her husband at his headquarters. she brought her slave with her to, also named julia. we know that abraham lincoln knew that julia slave was living in that union military camp with one of his upcoming generals. and though he was urged to dismiss camp, grant, he was urged to dismiss grant, lincoln did not. the two julia's travel together nearly 5 million miles during the first two years of the war. they came within hours of being captured by confederates in december 1862 in mississippi. julia grant's wartime journey, or remarkable demonstration of the grants mutual love and devotion. as a result of them julia had a
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front row seat as if no other women did to the endgame of the civil war when she and the youngest son jesse lived with grant in a city point from january through april 1865. when she refused to go to ford's theater with the lincolns april april 14. why were fremont and mcclellan so unsuccessful as general and sherman and grant so successful? of course there are many reasons an important part of the answer to that question is found in the women who were their wives. jessie fremont and nelly mcclellan never disagreed with their husbands. instead, they encourage their generals to persist in their arrogance and delusion and to reject the advice and friendship of their commander-in-chief. ellen sherman in julia grant, intelligently supported their husbands best instincts, including trust in an admiration for lincoln and rebuff their worth. ellen and julia were among lincoln strongest allies in the war effort. there were that husband center of gravity, the the source of their strength to win the civil
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war. thank you. [applause]. now i am happy to answer any questions. please come to the microphone or i will repeat the question. >> when the first son died, his father said to the next son, when you see someone in the military give them your hat what does that mean? >> so so you're talking about sherman, when willie sherman died, and willie sherman was comps a favorite son, there's is just no question about that.
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when he died, compline was utterly inconsolable. though though he tried to console his children, it was really as they put it in here a tone deaf letter to his other son, tom. what he was saying was that whatever you have, however much money you have, give half of it to the soldiers. he was trying to say you have to be willie because we have lost willie. it's it's a very heartbreaking moment because of course since he had told them that he had a healthy camp he felt completely responsible for his son's death. >> microphone or i will shout it out again. >> thank you very much, which of
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the wives did you find the most amount of research of research material to help you in this effort, and which was most difficult? >> these women, most most all of them kept their husbands letters , most of the husbands did not keep their lives letters. often because they're in the field and either they could not continue to carry letters with them, or they would protectively destroy them so they cannot be captured in red for intelligence. but william sherman saved all of his wife's letters. it is astonishing. when he first marched off to bull run he wrote a letter in which he said, i will tear every everyone of your letters up because every ounce on the march tells. he didn't, he saves them all. and all. and she saved his letters and that is the most complete and intimate correspondence i believe of the entire civil war. it is at the university of notre dame, sexually available online
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and it is just a set astonishing because the two of them were not only highly educated but they were incredibly beautiful writers. if you do nothing else than find and read allen's letters, you will have done yourself a favor. she wrote to the most remarkable letters, have them both in the book, the one that she first wrote to president lincoln before she visited him, and she visited him, and the one she wrote when her husband was in serious national disfavor at the end of the war because of his surrender terms to joe johnston. so i had the most information about sherman family and all of the associated documentation there. the one that i had the the least about the one that was most difficult to write was nelly mcclellan. only five of her letters have survived. she she had no other writing on like both julia grant
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and jessie fremont whose letters to survive but they each wrote memoirs. there's only five letters from nelly. but, the fact that mcclellan had extracted the promise that they would each write to each other every single day they were part, and they did meant that you could read, in in his letters what she was saying in hers. whenever you write to someone especially for writing every day, you're reacting. all of these years people have read mcclellan's letters that she have saved, unbelievably and allowed to be published. they have read those letters to understand what mcclellan thought about every people, what he thought about the war, what he thought about himself, i think on the first one to read them to look for what did he think about her and what was she doing. so this is a new picture of her, but in fact it was really a lot of evidence there once you look for it.
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>> i read once that grant left the army after a drinking binge because he did not want julia to know about the drinking and went home and i think tried to work at other things and not with a great deal of success. can you address her role and her knowledge of the drinking? >> absolutely. in that incident in 1854 when he stationed at this incredibly remote and isolated postop and isolated post up in what is now washington state, north oregon, it really was a time where there is evidence that he was drinking. but the question still comes back to, why did he drink. the evidences almost absolutely crystal clear that he was drinking because he was so depressed because he was hearing nothing from julia. other men in that place were getting letters from their
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lives. he was even getting letters mother people and his family. it took more than six months to learn from her that he had a son. he could count the months, but it was astonishing. she did not write to him as much as you would imagine and he became very depressed and he drank an amazingly on the same day that he accepted his promotion to captain, writing a letter to to the adjutant general, he also resigned from the army. was because apparently he had been found drunk while he was paymaster. a lot of the legend of grant as a drunk revolved around the fact that people claim that they brought julia to live with great and can't to keep him from drinking. and that is clearly not true. he was trying from the very
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first day of the war to have her with him and have her with him all along. so it it was not in response to a need to keep him from drinking, it was his own need to have her there and her desire. there clearly a lot of stories about his drunken sprees, famous one at vicksburg. but most historians have found those to be not only unrealistic, but absolutely not supported by fax. i can set that straight, i will be very happy to do so. >> congratulations on your book, great undertaking. when you wrote the book, what did you also speak to what happened to these families other than the one that you mentioned after the war, they come back together and then repair there
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whatever distance had brought, and what part of the book did you lose in the editing process that you wish was in there? >> those are good questions,. i almost lost the one chapter for each wife that said what they did after the war, but i convinced convinced the publisher that people would want to know that. what happened with jesse and charles fremont was that there are made incredibly wealthy because they finally did sell this sputtering gold mine in yosemite valley for more than $4 million which at that time was worth a lot more than were at this time would be a worthwhile more than more than $4 billion. and almost immediately, mutually, fremont sunk most of that money into a very bad investment in an oil company. they lost it all. all.
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so jesse began writing stories and books to make money. she wrote about all the famous people she met, although she would never write about lincoln again. she hated him she hated him so much after what he had done to her husband. she talked about his slimy nature and his tendency towards slavery. but but she wrote about the other famous people and she sold her stories. fremont fremont finally did get a pension after the war, but he died within a week after having it awarded to him. and so jesse continue to write, she was in los angeles, he died in new york city, because they cannot afford to send his body back to california he was buried on the hudson river across from the hugest state they had owned and her ashes were there to be spread ten years later. the mcclellan's, general
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mcclellan died very suddenly of a heart attack in 1885, the same year that grant died. as i said, then nelly fled to europe again, and that is when the memoirs were written and that is when her daughter was copying parts of their letters to give to that literary executor and that's why say it was clearly, she knew what was going on, she had to have known was going on and she allowed it to happen, but happen, but she lived really the rest of her life in france, it was at a villa that was owned by her daughter and her son-in-law that they had named after husband's greatest victory, called bill in to. there's almost nobody else we consider that mcclellan speak greatest victory or anybody else's greatest victory. the shermans, as i said she she predeceased him, but they lived in washington after the war. he became the lieutenant general of the army and she did work as
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he was dealing with indians for threatening the transcontinental railroad, she was doing indian missionary work in washington and she started an orphanage in washington. she was also into charitable work. her husband, there have been a lot of talk about his flirtations and maybe his affairs. there is some evidence of that, but it is clear that he loved her dearly and although he was a very healthy man, he died two years after ellen died. and at the last moment of his life as he was unconscious, his children brought in a catholic priest and have the last rate set over him as their mother would have wished it done. the grants, it's probably you probably know more about them than any, of course he did go on
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to become president, he gave up his military pension when he became president. he was president to terms, julia love be in the first lady, there is nobody who love being first lady like julia did. then after his second term they went on a two-year tour of europe and in her memoirs, those two years of touring europe take on more space than any other part of her life, with all the things that she had bought and all the things that she hate but suddenly, twin disaster struck the grant. first, the financial fund that he had invested and went bankrupt, he lost everything, they sold everything except for one of his swords that they later presented to the smithsonian institution. then within a few months of that, found found out that he had throat cancer. and he died 11 months later. during those 11 months he wrote the personal memoirs to ulysses s grant. grant. he wrote more than 1000 pages in order to make money for julia,
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because as i said he gave up his military pension to become president and there is no presidential pension at that time. sherman came to washington and lobbied for a pension for julia which did take place, but in fact his memoirs which mark twain published, brought her in the equivalent of over $10 million in her lifetime. she lived into the 20th century and died in washington and is in grant's tomb in new york. if you ever you ever have the chance to go there, and also if you ever been to napoleon's two you'll see a stark difference, because even though grant's tomb is based on napoleon's tomb, with the dome and the red granite, napoleon's is in the splendid singularity and when you walk into grants to musee to those because the last thing he wrote was a note that he put into his pocket before he
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died that said, he wanted to make sure that juliet was buried next to him. thank you all so much. [applause]. [inaudible] [inaudible] >> here's a look at some authors recently featured on book tvs afterwards, our weekly author interview program. eric discussed his time in iraq working as an interrogator for
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