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fate it in, every summer market change will have five new liquor stores and then four years they get four five more, something like that. there will be a lot more very large liquor ostores buying at scale, and it's going to be very hard on the small liquor stores but many, i'd say roughly have of the ones take to, say it's the best compromise we can get. so i'm trying to talk to every liquor store i and can talk together brewer because it's a big part of our economy, 10,000 jobs and because it drive mets nuts that big corporations are going to come out and -- these guys open supermarkets in our state knowing what the law was. liquor stores opened the liquor stores, made investments, built up their life savings and we're going to change a law, take away the private property and give it to some big corporation. drives me nuts and yet many, many of the small liquor stores -- this is what they think is the best deal they'll get. i feel absolutely sure if i veto that thing and i led the charge
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we would overturn their ballot coloradoans love small businesses. they don't write -- all the supermarkets are from out of state. but again, what happens in two year when i'm out of office? it's a tough question. i'm not willing to commit yet but i lie awake at night. one of the toughest things i'm can thinking about. the second question -- >> host: fracturing. >> guest: no. second -- what die do next. >> host: if malcolm gladwell is wrong. >> guest: i think i never thought -- i thought i would be a -- never thought i would be in the restaurant business. never thought i would go into elected office. spent a year and a half looking at that and thinking about and it then plunged into it. i don't know what is next. i think i might probably go back into the private sector but i might run a foundation. if there was someone had la really interesting challenge as a foundation.
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something different and really exciting. think i've got at least one, maybe two careers left. you never can tell. and then in terms of fracking, which is probably a -- as thorny an issue as there is. in colorado the people that own the mineral rights are different than the people who own the surface rights and our state constitution protects that private property. that there are gashed to by law the right to go and access those minerals. and in many cases what happens is people are now living out much further from towns. right? they get little 35-acre ranchettes. they scatter all over the eastern plains along the front react where there happens to be because of directional drilling and hydraulic fracking the ability to get large amount ofs of oil and gas, especially natural gas, which i think is a very rapid transition fuel to a green economy. certainly the major reason we put coal -- transforming cole plants into natural gas plants
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like this and not just natural gas but wind and solar. anyway you have this private property we have protected and if you do 2500-foot setback from every home, someone opened those mineral rights for ten years or 12 years, waiting for the price of oil to get high enough and now someone can build a home 700 feet away, suddenly they say you can't drill there anymore. again, it's a question of fairness. don't know what the real solution is but our constitution, until that i changed, we have an obligation to protect that private property, and i think if -- on the ballot they're talk about get tag hundred signatures -- to make the setback any residence 2500 feet. if that passed, essentially takes away a large amount of people's private assets, and i think that would be challenged to the court and would go to the supreme court and every top
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lawyer i've talked to said that would be called -- the state of colorado and the counties involved would have to come back and make good that we would have to pay -- when you take someone's private property to run a power line or build a conduit or build a water -- whatever -- you have to use eminent domain and pay somebody the value of their private property, and all the folks that want to ban fracking -- i'm let's figure out a way to pay people so they're not going to drill near communities. again, it's one of the toniest problems. you picked the two thorniest -- >> host: a smart audience. >> guest: i came to washington for a reason. i meant an outside reason. >> host: at the end of the book is says: while this is where my story thus far ends it is also where the rest of my life begins. where we go from here, who knows? you know me. i've got more than a few ideas in my head. giddy-up.
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so, to you, super governor, giddy-up. thank you very much. [applause] >> host: we're going to -- [inaudible conversations] >> booktv continues tomorrow night with books on education policy. first, jed bowlen's account at teaching at in, city public high school and the battle for room 314. followed by george thomas writing about the founding fathers and their idea of establishing a national university. and after that monique morris shares her book "pushout" the criminalization of black girls in schools. then john shields talks bat book he co-authored, "passing on the right: conservative professors and the progressive university." and finally, a look at whether advanced mathematics should be
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booktv continue with democratic senator barbara boxer sharing he memoir "the art of tough" followed by darrell issa who writes bit his role in "watch dog." >> barbara boxer, what an honor to be here with you. one of my meant you'res in senate. shrub who came into the senate win there was bare lay woman to be seen and you were there, this book you have written "the art of the tough" tells your story, and barbara levy, born on november 11, 1940, from a family of jewish refugees in your own words, growing up in pervasive
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shat schad dove of the holocaust, somehow ended up going from that little place in brooklyn, to the united states senate. maybe moves to california in between. and you did it all with such grace and also with that art of the tough. so do you want to talk about what that was like growing up, your stories with your family and how you ever dvded -- decided to take this senator. >> guest: will, senator klobuchar, you said it was an honor to interview me. i'm so excited that you agreed to do this because it says a lot about our relationship, the warmth that we share. and i'm so thrilled and as you know, i'm going to get to your question in a second, but the enact is the warm relationships that have developed between the women senators and, frankly, a lot of the men, barbara mick cal ski calls sir gal had. you know i'm not running again and people say, why?
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are you disgusted with the place? not at all. just feel after 40 years there are people like you who can carry the banner. so we have kirstin gill dibrand and you interviewing me issue couldn't be more thrilled. but how did i get tough? what was my life like when i was a child? which in this memoir, when it shat down to write so it long ago -- took here to years. it's a lot of effort. when i first thought about it i thought it's going to be my dad who had all the influence on who i am as a person, because my dad was my idol, he was the youngest of nine brothers and sisters. the only one born in america. his family was born in russia. none of them even graduated from high school. there's misdad, he is born in
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1908, and after he married my mom, he goes to city college of new york at night, scores -- at night. gets great grades, becomes a cpa, and then after i'm born, in 1950, he goes to law school at night, gets his degree, so i'm thinking, you know, clearly it was my dad. but when i sat down to think about the lessons, how are you tough? they all come from my mother, and in the beginning -- >> host: she didn't graduate from high school. >> guest: she did not. and always was such a burden on her. she felt so sad about it. at one point she even tried to get her ged. don't know what exactly happened. but i will say this. my mother was so smart. and the kind of smart she had was smart from the heart and the soul. and when -- in the beginning of the book i lay out the rules of the art of tough. how can you do it?
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and one of the things was always doing the right thing. even when everything is going against you. you and i know what it's likement we have had experiences in the trenches together, whether it's on human trafficking, which you took the leadership on, or tookics chemicals, which i took the leadership on. we know what it's like. people look at you and think, why are you causing these problems? well, it's the art of tough. you know it's right you bet deer the right thing. also learned, never act out of anger. you can feel the anger but don't act when you're angry. these are the things that came from my mother. >> host: you tell a funny story how you were a little angry on the playground, stabbed a bully with a pencil, and then haunting you the next day you walked by his apartment and see a dark, dark cloth in front of the house and you think you've killed him. turns out to be the grandfather. but i'm sure that is one of those memories you don't forget. >> guest: it's a memory that i didn't forget because what
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happened was, albert was kind of my nemesis and because i'm little, still little, 5'3", -- 5'0" period. maybe with my high heels. >> host: that's what i'm thinking. >> guest: no. i'm so small, and so he was -- well, i was the perfect target. he would insult me and chase me, and that's what they used to do in those days. maybe they still do in school. don't know. but one day i just had had it. no one was around itch took out my number 2 pencil and i stab him in the arm. right where you get a vaccination, and he is stunned and i am stunned. and so you're exactly right. in re-telling the story, we felt we just keep it outer little secret. then he doesn't come to school for the next have to days, and yes, there's a crepe cloth over his home, which i passed by every day. on a vacant lot on the way home.
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i lived in the inner city, and really did think i killed him. so i took it to my mother. i said, mom, i think i killed albert. well, of course she looks at me, barbara sue? which is what she called me when she was mad. what did you do? i told her. can't believe you would ever do that. and you can't do that. but i don't think you killed him. let me call the principal. she finds out his grandpa died. was so relieved i hugged him when he came back but it taught me an amazing lesson. and she said, you never use violence. you have to persuade and diffuse and i never different after that use violence. i tried to diffuse a lot of situations. sometimes i won, sometimes i didn't. >> host: as a young girl when you think about this, at a time where girls were organizing a lot of things, you led the effort to get a new carpet in the apartment lobby. >> guest: yes. >> host: when you were -- one of
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the favorite letters, us you're just ten years old and your mother is in the hospital with some illness and you're not allowed to visit. you want treat the letter you wrote back then? your first organizing effort right there. >> guest: i found it after my mother died and my dad died in their little jewel box. i wrote to the doctor because the rules that were -- kids cooperate visit their parents then. so, i -- deer doc. i mrs. leavy's daughter and i would love to see my mother very much. didn't see my mother when she left. only a little while. about five minutes before i went to school. i have no sickness. only a little bellyache now and then itch won't make a lot of noise. i miss my mother. very much. so why can't i see her? thanks for reading this letter. sincerely yours, barbara leavy. so then, i had a feeling it wouldn't work.
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so i wrote a backup to my mother. dear mom: how mean can a person be? if day don't let me they are mean. will be so happy if i can see you. get teary i'd. in school i'm a study group of mexican culture and art. in fact i'm the chairman. love and kisses to you, babs. i get so choked up because they're memories we have of our families. to deep inside us. >> host: but this whole idea that any kid that can make it in america, which we still believe today, no matter where you came from. think that's a big part of your story. but one of the things that was different about your story than some of them poo in the senate, is that you were a girl, and so here you are, you then go to brooklyn college, and following in your dad's footsteps, and you get a degree and you want to be a stockbroker because your dad
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instilled this in you and you start interviewing around for jobs, and it wasn't easy back then for a girl to get that job. >> guest: impossible. they used to have a program at the wall street firms, and they would call -- because the people who were selling the securities, who were the stockbrokers, were called customer's men. that was in the name. customer's men. so i wanted to be a customer's man. and so i was ready to do it when i got my first job, it was an assistant -- long story. won't go into it too much -- but assistant to a woman who wrote a municipal bond newsletter. she was so smart. but never signed it elizabeth ellsworth cook her anyway. she signed ee cook to disguise the fact she was a woman. i said why don't you sign? she said no one would buy it. she never became a partner for many years and it -- she was kind of in disguise.
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unreal. and so i thought, i'm going to take a different path. i'm going to work for her, gate salary because i was in law school and i was the only one working so i guess i method $90 a week or something. then i said, i had to make more so we could at least live a decent life. so i studied for the exam because i couldn't get into the program. if you got a the's map program -- customer's man program, you got trained. i did it on my own and appealed. i was so excited. i took it to elizabeth and she said, well, you know, i don't know. you'll have to go to the big boss at this very old firm and i did, and he said, sorry, women don't do that. now, she shocking this was not only that he just said it like it was fact of life, but that i took it. now -- i said, oh, okay. but i did quit. i said then i quit.
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and i went to another firm where they allowed me quietly to have a little business on the side where i was kind of the assistant to one of the vice presidents, did his work but i had a little side business. so i was able to make $250 a week. amy, that was great. >> host: this is where so many timeness politics some of the -- some of us who came in on your shoulders, on your five-foot shoulders, and barbara mikulski has well, talk about the time when you came in it was so much harder, for young people to read your story, a at other time when most women were expected to have a few jobs and that was secretary, teacher, nurse, that was is. and in fact you kind of went over meetings, too. your brave husband, who you have been married to in my mind forever. >> guest: 54 years. >> host: but you say this is one of my favorite quotes.
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you've say i often joke that stu married debbie reynolds and woke up with sotomayor. explain that. >> guest: because remember when we met, girls, young women, didn't have the kind of opportunities we now have today, and that our daughters have today. and i know you have a great one. hope she is watching. and so we had to settle for a lot less. when stu met me i was pursuing my dream of being an economicking major. he knew that and he saw some signs in those years when you had -- you got together for little parties. the men would be here talking about issues of the day, and the women just so as not to be perceived office too uppitiy, would be here talking about -- seriously, food and more appropriate things for women. that's the truth. i was doing my thing with the women then i'd go over to the
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men and talk to them, too, which was considered a bit odd but i did it. so he knew some clues i wouldn't long stay a cheerleader that i was from brooklyn college, head of the boosters from high school, but let's be clear. when he met me i was a kid. was 18. and going into the senate, you might as well have said flying to the moon by yourself with your arms waving. that is where it was. >> host: then you make thing decisionings which was monumental in your career and the history of america, you decide to move to california and how did that come about? >> guest: well, my sister and her family had moved there. and i wanted to visit, and so stu -- such a good student -- we made law review and i went with my parents and we drove out to california. i get to california. my eyes open up. my mouth drops and i said, i've never seen anything as beautiful as this.
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because i joke -- i grew up in brooklyn. which is by the way the coolest place to live now. thin it wasn't. but i talk about how only if you have a movie called --" a book called" a tree grows in brooklyn boy pi because it wasn't that agree. you had beautiful places and now pour beautiful places, prospect park and botanical gardens but it was the city. so i came to california and the environment is kind of history there, and the first thing you learn about california, if you pick up a history book, is the beauty and the various ecology from the north of the state to the south, where whether it's the forest or he marshland or the desert or the ocean, and of course we have the richest farmland. it's so exquisite. so i just said -- i was 21ish or so, i said i want to move here. but stu graduated from law
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school. that was wild. and i said to him, can we move? he said, why? and i said, you see, it's gorgeous and you'll love it. i can't describe it. we'll have so much more freedom to be outside and outdoors. he said, okay. but i have to get a job in advance. and so he did. the eh got a job two years in advance weapon came out to california for the beauty. that's what i want to tell you. and of course then -- we stayed and the excitement and the hollywood, silicon valley and everything about it is so incredible. >> host: and then you're pregnant. >> guest: yes. >> host: and doug you first child, is born two months early and stu is still in law school. >> guest: right. >> host: and i was going to look back on the fact they won't let him come out for the birth because he has an exam. but the biggest part of the story this is a dangerous --
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back then, 50% chance of survival and you're on your own. >> guest: no insurance. >> host: got you somewhat interested in getting involved in government and politics. >> guest: well, got me interested in understanding what it means to be uninsured and frightened to death. and of course, that feeling, you never forget it. and i was uninsured but -- why? i thought nothing is going to go wrong. i'm happy-go-lucky. everything is going to go great. which we always think when we're young. we are not vulnerable. we're going to be great. immortal. and all of a sudden, we had agreed to move, so i said, okay, honey, i'll get us a place to live. you finish your exams and the first day i get here, doug wanted to see california. that's why why i kit about it. arrived on may 20, 1965. he is born may 21, 1965, and i
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was staying at my sister's place, all of a sudden the water breaks and i had not even met my doctor, amy, and i'm winding up in the clinic in mt. zion hospital. they were so wonderful to me. never forgot them. >> host: they took you in. >> guest: charity because i had nothing. and they came in and said, you know, it's going to cost a thousand dollars a day. amy, imagine -- you can mam what it is for a preemie. they said we don't know how long he will have to stay. at least a month if he survives. so i'm thinking, this is the end of us. of course all we cared about was doug. so they said, 50-50 chance, and say said every day it will go up 10%. so we prayed and stu got out there as fast as they would let him, and doug was the most wonderful gift to us, and i hate
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to tell you how old he is now help takes care of me. and he has his on family. my second, she was remie but i had insurance. that was a lesson that how scary it is to be in a situation where you really don't have anything. >> host: and leading to your support of the affordable care act. and women's health care. so what struck me, very traditional time and just as you grew up in the shadow of the holocaust, you are now in california, in northern california, in the shadow of the vietnam war. absolutely. >> host: you have not been that involved in politics. you earned the art of tough, but you start getting involved in organizing, taking early lessons for organizing from the carpet lobby in the apartment and taking them out to something much bigger, the vietnam war, leading to your decision to run for county supervisor.
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>> guest: your right 0-point out the vietnam war because it's this core of my going into politic. i had by that time two little kids and as you know, as a mom yourself, you start to think differently. you start to think long-term. you start to wonder, how is my daughter going to do? what kind of world ising she go to grow up? what is my son going to face? and all of these issues came to me for around the time of the vietnam war. the environmental movement, women's movement, the vietnam war. but especially the vietnam war because it was the first war they said came into your living room, you saw it. and so i was part of the antiwar movement. stu was, and we used to take kids and march in the peace parades and all the rest of it. and i became a real activist. a real activist. and when a seat opened up --
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election for the county supervisor opened up in marin county, california, beautiful place north of san francisco, the issues were -- all of the issues, even stopping the war. what could we do locally to do it? and the environment. and women's rights. so, of course, everybody came to stu and said, would you run? and i said stu, do it? he said, honey, it pays $11,000 a year. why don't you do it? so i ran. it would was so crazy. came out on top. it's a nonpartisan office so i came out on top. the other two were republicanned. >> host: but you didn't run as a democrat or republican. >> guest: so the -- before we had the vote and i came out on top, the -- there was -- the incumbent, myself and a physician that was running and they issue -- they tried to use
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the antichoice issue against me. but this candidate's name was bill filante. said i want to speak you. i was excited because my campaign a was going strong. i said talk to stu and he looks across at me as close as we are and he says i've been giving this a lot of thought,ing thought he -- he started off said my wife is a physician and it's been hard for her, and so i -- then the said so this is what i want to say. you should drop out. and i said, well, bill, why would i testify do that? because you're going to be bad for women. and i said, where did you get that from? he said you know the oppressor has to free the oppressed. i remember him saying that, and -- >> host: like a man would have to free you. >> guest: yes. or like whites have to free blacks from slavery. that's the first thing that came to my mind. one of the arts of tough you fight for racism.
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every hair on my body went straight up and i looked at him and i employed the art of the tough. which is when somebody has gone over the line, that's it. so i looked at him and i said this meeting is over, and as i say in the book, stu and i got up, he got up, and i shut the door, and then i said, we actually slammed the door, what happened was he got revenge because he was so mad at me he came out last and he endorsed the other guy, so i lost that by a small vote. it was humbling. >> host: but the story how just the sexism back then when you're running and women at the door -- i love the one where he said how can you do this when you have four kids. you've said, no, no, i have two kid. he said no, you have four kid because the rumors were so long. what was the story about the dishes and at the person -- paper plates. >> guest: so many great story. the book goes into what it was
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like to be a woman then. you had to have a sense of humor because if not you would cry yourself to sleep. i'd knock on a door because i went door-to-door, small election. i think needed 20,000 votes to win. so knock, knock, who is there? barbara boxer. the first thing is somebody would open the door and say i didn't think you would be so small? what do they expect in they expected a big person because men -- i didn't expect you to be so short. and i'd say, yep, i am. and then this one woman said, i could never vote for you. you have four kids you're abandoning. i said, excuse me, i have two kid. she said no, you don't, and he gets into an argument with me. said, laidive you have ever given birth you never forget and it i did it twice, and i walked airplane. what are you going to do? then i was at another meeting, and i was telling the group about how we had to preserve the
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environment and everyone was nodding, a suburban part of my distribute and hand goes up in the back and this woman says, how do you have time to do your dishes? well, even then i was taken aback. for goodness sakes. and i just said, i use paper plates. which was stupid because this was an environmental group. so you couldn't win. i thought it was a joke. >> host: -- i use paper plates. >> host: the kind of questions you were getting about doing your dishes. there are few questions like that these days but not many of them. >> guest: it's come a long way. >> host: you came through a hard time. >> guest: i lost that race. they weren't ready for me. and the only reason i stayed after that, stayed in politics -- >> host: you became a newspaper reporter. >> guest: i did. i loved what i was doing and did a little radio show. the reason i stuck with it is i
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read an article in "ms. magazine" and the article said, women take things too personally. men just go over one, too two teams, three times, four times, and women, if they lose the first time, they think, oh, they hate me. because we're just a little more sensitive. and i thought, you know what, this is a horrible experience. but i'm not going to take it personally. there i was, out on a lot of issues that were a little bit ahead of my time, and hive always been -- >> host: gay marriage you were ahead of your time. >> guest: way, way ahead. so it's continued but you cannot -- so you have to say to yourself, get people to vote for you've because they to the you're in it for the right reasons. i'm changing to you for a minute. one of the post popular politics in your state, maybe the country, seriously, and the reason is even when people disagree they know you're in it for though right reason. you're trying to get things done.
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trying truly to find the sweet spot with legislation. you're working hard. you have a sense of humor and you're not afraid, and that's why people will vote for you who are from the other party when they never vote for a democrat. and this is what i have tried to show in my tenure because believe it another not, 15 to 17% of the republicans i never would have won my races and if you ask them, they'll say, well, i don't agree with her sometimes but she is straight from the shoulder and tells me where she is coming from and in it for the right reasons. >> host: i think that's the best -- fast forward and bet back to your first race. for me one of the most impressive things, reading your book or talking to you, was the fact it's called "the art of the tough." that part of the reason -- one thing i know is that you do stand your ground on many, many issues and everybody knows that is part of you, but i don't know if everyone knows about the times you tried to find common
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ground and you did it on the transportation bill. recently with mitch mcconnell and before that, you worked with senator inhofe ofon the transportation bill and got a bill done for the country. the water bill. a number of things, whether it's by taking a bunch of democrats and republicans out together for dinner. ... when he was in congress and he
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helped me my whole career. when he went to congress and i got elected to the board of supervisors, we didn't talk very often. what i consider running for the seat. my god, kids were in high school, just a little too young. i took it up with them and they said as opportunities don't come along very often, so i went for it and i got there. for ten years. >> one thing people often focus on what barbara mikulski and
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those that are incredible detailed stories about nancy pelosi and look at this story. he picks a woman to run for his seat and asks you to run. >> guest: heated and he knew my politics as progressive as he knew he had taught me to be fearless and he wanted me there. but it's funny is his brother who has brothers then called and i was shaking because he was so powerful in california at the time and i said how are you and he said i'm fine. i think you ought to run for the
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seat. i was running, not you. talk about coming down. he put up with it because he wasn't sure at all i could do it. i said i'm just a little worried about the money. i have to raise 250,000 for the congressional bid. he said i don't want you to worry about it. i knew marx was a very popular state senator and still can't do one thing for me because he's busy preserving and protecting. and if there i asked if we are able to.
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most of the races have been hard. >> host: you get to the house and it's an exciting time and you start working on a number of issues for some of whic some ofn your lap like aids research. one of the things i didn't know about you is you were taking on excessive costs with government contracting and you have the 7,600-dollar coffee pot with military contracts. there was a bracket and you wore a similar one as a cheap mac plus. >> guest: it should have been like 75 cents. this issue came to me from a terrific staff that we don't give enough so that we say thanks to everybody.
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if you don't run your self, you help somebody else, it's worth it. this is a scandal. there's a whole group. i have an expectation of the people there. you have to find the niche. this one was brought to me by the group and my staff said no one is really talking about this. they are talking about missiles and people can't picture what the missile should cost for a carrier should cost. you get into the billions in your eyes glaze over. but how about a 600-dollar toilet seat which is what the pentagon is spending. they were not contracting out the small business. they were saying you do this and
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that was the reason so we wrote a bill that. >> guest: that is hilarious which i do tell. i was proud of my work on the military procurement reforms i have a town hall meeting. i will never forget this. outdoors in the county i told the story of procurement reform and i said could you imagine a $600 toilet seat is it made of gold? i said does anyone have questions and a woman raises her hand and says you know where i can get one of those? [laughter] >> host: there is a reason that julia louis dreyfus has endorsed your book, because there's always i think people forget about the humorous things that happen in politics now. and i think it's important
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because you want young women and men to run for office and that is the cool part. people wonder do i need someone with a sense of humor and the fact is you have to have a sense of humor. it enables you to survive. >> host: one of the things there was a big deal and it was so unfair to get women to have access as well and you took this on. tip o'neill might have been at the time. you take this on in your way because you have a beautiful singing voice and documented many of your song her songs in k and you wrote a song.
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i ask if you can kind of sing it for us. you don't have to run for office again. to set the stage, here i came from california where the exercise ethic was important and i get here and find out there's only one, know there was a gym for women about the size of this table and you couldn't do anything. all i have is a bunch of hair dryers, don't ask me why. i have a staffer so mikulski was my colleagues then and geraldine hara wrote was about to make history and there was a few others. olympia snowe -- we had this
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wonderful meeting in a tiny little gem where you couldn't even spread your arms out. claudette said raise your hands in the air. if i could find my hips i wouldn't be here. things got desperate. we went on a few of us went to the men in charge and said can we use this gem from absolutely not. that's not fair. no, cannot. can we expand the gym, no you cannot. it was a horrible experience. i said okay i'm going to use my sense of humor. i went to marcy captor and i
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said can you carry a tune and i wrote a song it was suggested by my colleagues that i would send it to the leadership. we had a guitar and it went like this. exercise glamorize where to go will you advise can everybody use your gym? then it went on and equal rights but to avoid those macho fights. can't everybody use your gym and then we end up with we are not trim, we are not a slam, can we make it hers and ham, can everybody use your gym we are only asking. it's the only time i ever change
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policy with my lyrics. >> host: i think that it's a nice example and it's not just the senate gym or the house. you're taking on the issue happening all over america. it could be high school girls. let's take it to a different level, the picture of you bleeding and of course patricia schroeder was involved. you were the first one of course leading about women up the stairwhen then up thestairs whig for senate the seats opened up in california, clarence thomas hearings going on in all this stuff starts coming about in the supreme court nominee and you the house when men decid women t hearing needs to be open again and there's a photograph of you leading the womeleaving the woms of the senate.
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>> guest: when i look at that photo i see a tightness and focus, determination. it captures the moment. i think back to iconic photographs. but for me, this was a symbol of the quality. you have a professor who is intelligent and flawless and saying in fact she was harassed by the nominee to the supreme court and those in the senate, but we be clear there wasn't one when woman on the judiciary committee. >> host: there's still only two of us now. >> guest: it's ridiculous. they would and open up the hearing. they would not.
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the reason i explain in the buck i don't want to go too fast so i want to talk about what it felt like for us. there's only one way to get the meeting. we hav had to walk over there. pat schroeder, even though i was running, we walked over about seven of us and the rest are staying in the house doing more minutes on the floor to talk about it. we get to the top of the steps and knock on the door. it's all the democratic senators, all men except for barbara mikulski. actually she wasn't very get them. no, she was there. the only one.
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we knock on the door and who peeks out, a woman. hello, we said. we are setting the women from the house, we want to come in and speak with the senator senad a minimum with senator nixon. no, he said. we don't let strangers in the senate. i wrote another book and it said what are you talking about we are not strangers, we are women in the house. we have over 100 years of experience we just want to talk with the senators about reopening. that's what she said, so i a reh to the back of my mind and said how are we going to attend
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that's all well and good but if we have to turn back and walk dowwalkeddown the stairs now, ta bank of cameras down there and we are going to tell them that we were not able to see anybody. he said just a minute and goes back. go in th the side room and geore mitchell will meet with you. we told him you have to open up and heated. i explained that they won't go into that there's been a whole movie made by hbo. i would say unequivocally to you and anyone within the sound of our voices here that without anita hill's courage i never would have gotten. >> she would run for governor in wonderful mayor. in the district i was considered
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more progressive, so it was a tough run because then the state with more purple. it was quite purple. >> host: what i love about the story is diane wh who wasn't a stronger positiowas in thestronh seats and why are you running, this is impossible, you can't have two jewish women running at the same time. and when you are still in the primary, she campaigned with y you. the famous 2%. >> guest: it may be good but it's not enough to have 2% of the senate. we need to have more. >> host: >> guest: i would get the question you think to jewish hah women, first no state had to jewish women. and they're never even had it in
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a jewish senator from my state as far as i know. i have to go back that right off the top of my head i can't believe it. they said well how do you ever expect to jewish women to win and we sent you never raised the issue of two protestant men man being elected so why is it an issue. and these aides, they can use a good dose of chicken soup. we try to use a sense of humor. it isn't the juxtaposition of anita hill not getting justice in many women's eyes and no one on the judiciary committee then they looked at the senate and it was 98% of men. so, we got elected and we tripled the numbers. they called it the year of the women. but then it started to grow and
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now we are up to 20% in the senate and hopefully after this it will be more. >> host: i remember barbara mikulski saying at the time you were giving up a seat and she said go for it and she told you when you're looking for prince charming i'm looking for more women senators. >> guest: it's not about gender. it's about an agenda. it's not about macroeconomics, it's about macaroni and cheese economics. >> host: it wasn't always easy. there was the scandal that you had nothing to do with it but there was an investigation to
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keep running. >> guest: i will tell quickly. to make it brief, this is what it was. the hous house bank wasn't reala bank. in other words, when you put your check and come it took days before they credited. i didn't know that. then two weeks later it was fine but they never told you about it. so when this scandal happened and it was so embarrassing that the fbi on the case you have to meet with the fbi come and i thought why are they sitting here with me when they could be going after criminals. but even though i was cleared
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completely, they were running horrible as all over the screen. and show me your checkbook. i said i'm not showing you my checkbook. they would meet me at the airport and anyway, it was a total nightmare so i gave up. i said i'm sick of this i don't need this. i can go back to being a reporter and a half a tv show. i called and i said this is it. i'm not going to do this senate race. and i thought he would be happy. we support you but we miss you. let's talk about it when you get home, there's nothing to talk about.
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on the way home i stopped off at the party. they were watching 60 minutes and should be in my happy moments into this and that. now i walk home and they have the two kids waiting for me. they were working in the basic mom, you can't drop out. it sounds like it is made up. you have to have some dignity. they said it's all the places you go and i'm thinking this can't be happening. tears are coming to my eyes and finally they both said you just can't do this.
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you know nicole. she looks at me and says what is that message going to be for all the women counting on you your just going to walk away? so why when the -- i win the race. it's one of those moments i'm so glad because in a lot of ways this book is an empowerment book to say don't give up, don't do that, don't succumb to that. >> host: you talk about some of the battles and not everyone went to that assignment where you are policing your fellow senators. you had to deal with the case if you have taken on climate change
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and many battles. >> guest: of the senate was amazing when i got there because i told my constituents there is good news and bad news. i said the bad news is jesse helms who is always a negative force for my point of view. the good news, so can i.. i realized i had the power to utilize this ability even as a freshman here's what happened. i was going to just be quiet and i was going to burn the ropes like hillary did, then she was hit with 9/11. with me, i'm there quiet and you can't imagine me that way. i am quiet and i'm watching and
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then just after i win the race come and remember i win mostly because of anita hill. what happens? there is a story in the "washington post" that senator packwood had apparently engaged in with the verdict. some say sexual misconduct and i thought i can't believe it. one of my colleagues is engaging in this kind of behavior. it's not my business in the ethics committee. mitch mcconnell was on it then so without going into detail, your listeners will have to learn this thing was unreal.
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believe me when i tell you this one of the only people in the senate pushing to air the dirty laundry and if it were true out of the senate. and i came to grips with mitch mcconnell who was very senior, powerful member of the committee to be the chair of the committee and bob dole. they attacked me as the biggest partisan. they did everything to stop me. the point behind the story as i never expected that what happened. then we had a horrible earthquake to the point i make is when you get to a place you never know. >> host: protocol you also worked with many presidents and helped them. bill clinton, barack obama, al

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