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tv   Open Phones with Reza Aslan  CSPAN  September 3, 2016 1:45am-2:13am EDT

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nationalistic and is concerned with the western tradition and the best of it >> the conservative mind obviously set the table for kirk's career as he was a ryder truck his life to help found the national review with buckley was ana syndicated newspaper columnist widely read across the country about the maung t.s. eliot that was a creative figure if for nothing else to be remembered for that. despite the fact he did not talk about conservatism as a party or agenda or politics but did get involved with
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barry goldwater candidacy 1964. what prompted that shiftn 1964. greg. >> that is an awkward subject because he goes against his own principlesf wayu and in many ways he really was a man of integrity and shirt he had his moments in he had a temper but he tried to live as he preached he could make a lot of money but he gave it all away. but he argued as early as 1953 to say politics was not the nicest comment but real change came by writing books and dealing with newspaper
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editors and was truly a man of letters that he believed real intellectual presence would take at least 25 years we don't go into congress we do' one law will change tomorrowis e he saw how civilizations had risen and fallen ingenue western civilization's the three grades of greek society had all come at the end of greece bay were nostalgic about what theyof have lost even with cicero they come at the end of their age and he thought we were at the end of the west endf so we would transcribe and preserve but then a young senator who has a lot of
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charisma and only one-third of the population like tim but they really really liked him and goldwater by all accounts it is hard to dislike him produce totally honest. people would talk about goldwater and nixon would meet donors he would never ever ever placate a donor if it was gm they want to the subsidy he would say no. never again next - - nixon but say we could work something out.wo they would describe nixon as the guy who was promoting the marketing match and goldwater was the boxer. can no expert on either but i don't think we would ever
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think that he lied but i think kirk was taken with that also was a young man calling him to say my two favorite authors are you and high-tech so what do i need to say to make this work? i if the key was flattered and became very involved. of course, they strategizing we don't want these people on our side none of them should be part of legitimate conservativism. but the goldwater movement went in different directions . if you want an honest
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politician he is fantastic but for a winning politician he is not that good. >> he supported reagan but also supported mccarthy and pat buchanan. >> he loved norman thomas in 1944 he was much more concerned with personality and to he thought was honestest. . there are names and influences that kirk enjoy aid it is enjoyable to go down all the of path there are more ideas prepaid it is absolutely fascinating and was an interesting
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character. lots of eccentricities. talk about the of man himself and the peculiarities? >> and don't thank you can walk away without knowing his personality but late favorite story one year before he gets married he is a bachelor through 64 mary's one month before he turns 46 she is beautiful model is extremely intelligent she is a force of nature they were a great team. but he always traveled the world once he served in nonmilitary he was enamored north africa, south africa
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africa, asia, europe and with live off of p. better so in 63 he and a hunt irian scholar decided to pick this summer to walk all across north africa and everywhere kirk goes he carries with him a portable typewriter. i of 48 i have never seen a body of letters like what he left. he never stopped writing 120 words a minute with a photographic memory. hist kellogg's across the desert with a hungarian scholar and wears a three
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piece tweed suit across the moroccan desert and carries with him at typewriter but a huge came with this word that gsa would not allow this now and carried a revolver he was sent eccentric and bedouin children would follow him everywhere. he was a bizarre character he ends up in europe and the key is in florence italygets ton they show up at the opera in addition to his three piece suit he had a count dracula cape. he love to wear the high collard cape city shows up and as late the security
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guard will not let him in. no way. saw his friend says dean not understand this is kirk key is the duke. says this is a tiny six interpersonal village in michigan and they let him and. >> with a small town in michigan was his home and he rebuilt his home in a grandiose manner. frankly if any if you read the book i would ask the one thing to take away that is so brilliant and ended the book with this but he did make millions of dollarsit. from his fiction he did very well most people who know
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him is fiction dunno he is the founder of postwar conservativism but what is most impressive when he died he was broke he gave everything the way they used to look for homeless people anybody who wanted to come third or escaping from communism rashes and they would open their house to them.. the four daughters will wake up every morning and they wouldn't know who would be a breakfast maybe cambodians or vietnamese one of my colleagues and economist was brought out the former yugoslavia because of kirk he truly lived in every y
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one of the persons he mets whatu was an ex-con on parole from upstate new york who was walking through michigan and his wife met him kirk thought he was fascinating invited him and for sunday brunch he ended up living with then he called the process office he ends up winning their on ash wednesday accidentally leaves the great to the fireplace opening and burns down his home they have to rebuild is a beautifulr ornate structure. but in st. michael's cemetery clinton died 78 the tombstone is right next to brussels the dozens a
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drifter the says knight of the road. he left people loved people he loves stories and was very forgiving some he like dimity was sad eccentric. >> something that you might imagine he but think about these days adult mean to put you in his mind but who better to ask that someone who put together this biography. what would he think about today's political environment? >> he would be horrified in every way.n two things would have bothered him immensely, he thought george bush foreign policy, the first was against everything that
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america stood for he was worried about the first goal for the first foray as american empire he was really run out of the conservative movement for his views on this he thought bush betrayed the entire reagan legacy. he did not believe in any form of overseas expansion so the idea that we have troops stationed in 150 countries is something very different and would havee been very upset and would not have recognized the neocons and bought about
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that but and not to necessarily name names but to beat dedicated tos, conservatism not as art but is entertainment but to sell that as a radio show or tv show'' we're doing is a discussion to take those 45 minutes that is what we should be doing that was the proper way to do the news and there were people like mine recent going at it and
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is very charitable but to let her talk and then just answered very calmly and then did that with malcolm x. that was not his sound bites >> with that exchange of ideas we want to open the floor for questions. . .
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biographies. in the meantime, reza aslan is joining us. his most recent book isset" lot. the life and times of jesus of nazareth." the last time we saw you on the show, we have a new pope, a rise in isis, and more people are identifying as athiests than ever before. what is your take on this topic? >> guest: well first of all, big fan of the pope. i'm a product of a jesuit education, and the minute that i newell we were going to have a jesuit pope i knew things were going to be different.
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if anybody is familiar with the history of the catholic church and the thorn in the side of the jesuits have been in that church for centuries. think you knew that this is going to be a revolutionary moment, and he has not failed to really live up to the expectations a lot had of him. what i would say very quickly about this pope is that he has learned a very valuable lesson from his predecessor, pope benedict, and that is that you can't really reform the vatican. the vatican is too unwieldy for it to be reformed. but you can reform the church. and i think that the -- pope francis learned if you just simply stop with the bureaucracy, and instead begin to appeal to the world's billion or so catholics through action, through faith, particularly
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this' amortis leticia. profound statement of transforming priests from, as he kind of put it, from arbiters of morality, those who are there to signal out your errors, into actual pastors, people who there are and have the freedom to actually approach situations in an individualistic basis, with sympathy, not looking for some kind of hard and fast rule. think that what is happening in the catholic church under pope francis will be revolutionary. >> host: isis. >> guest: isis, of course, is phenomenon we're trying to figure out. >> host: is it a religious movement? >> guest: well, insofar as as anyone who calls themselves muslim is a muslim, yes, isis is a muslim this tee bait whether
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it is or is not muslim is kind of silly. if you say you're acting in the name of islam, we should probably just take your word for it. but to think that in and of itself creates some sort of generalization i think is quite silly. the fact of the matter is that isis may be muslim but so are the vast majority of its victims. by the tens of thousands. isis may be muslim but so are the people who are fighting against isis. people on the ground who are risking their lives battling this cancer. they're monday him, too, so if isis is muslim and their victims are muslim and the people fighting them are muslims, this done really say anything all that generalizing about islam itself. >> host: more good more people are identifying as athiests. >> guest: it's true, more people are nying is a athiest. in fact there's been a doubling of athiest numbers, but let's just be clear.
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that's now two and a half percent of the united states. so, yes there has been a surge of people identifying as athiests but it's still in ridiculously small amounts. when it comes to the united states of america, which is a country that form a -- is 71% christian. so we're still deeply influenced by christianity in this country. no way to get around that. >> host: reza aslan is our guest help has appeared on booktv's in-depth program where we spent three hours talking with him and taking your phone calls, talking bit his books, his most recent book is "the life and times of jesus of nazareth." zealot it's called. 202-748-8 01 in the mountain and
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pacific time zones. we'll begin taking the calls in just a minute. reza aslan is a creative writing professor at the university of california riverside. where were you on that day of the shooting in san bernardino? >> guest: i was actually in haiti. i was shooting an episode of my new cnn show, "believer," a spiritual adventure series where i go around and take part in religious rituals in various communities that lends to opening up different worlds, different beliefs and it was obviously quite a shock it was so close to the home and the place where i work. we need to get to a point where we recognize that the united states is not immune to the appeal of these organizations, like al qaeda and assist, but there are muslims in the u.s. in abte


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