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participated in more than 30 military and civil missions carried out by the european union, but we don't have a permanent structure, and without that we're not able to work efficiently. we must have a european headquarters. [applause] [speaking french] >> translator: and so we should work work towards a common military force.
should prove its innovation and for this reason we're proposing the by the end of the year creation of european defense fund to actively stimulate research and innovation in this area. the lisbon treaty allows member-states to, who wish to do so to make the capacity a further structure and high time to a veil ourselves of this ability. [applause] president, the final point which
i wish to touch upon has to do with our collective responsibility and i'm calling on all of the european institutions and each of the member-states to assume more responsibility. we need to do away with old spats where which could lead to failure because we can not survive without working together. europe needs to be better explained and i've asked the commissioners over the coming weeks to visit national parliaments in order to discuss the european union and the commissioners have gone to national parliaments more than 350 times and i would like for them to do that more now.
europe can only be built if it is understood. it has to be better explained. it can only be built with the member-states, not against the member-states. and so the commission is to be a political commission which gives rise to lots of strange ideas but the commission needs to be there for the citizens. they need to listen to the citizens. we need to listen to the european parliament and to the member-states and we do listen to our citizens and we would like to do that more intensely. sometimes i read that the people who lock themselves up in their viivry towers at bellamond who don't want to listen to others. some people think i'm not listening to others but to those who think that are highly
mistaken. every single day i talk to the european citizens because this is my duty. this is everyone's duty. [applause] as i said earlier the commission has withdrawn, we have reduced the number of initiatives by 80% and we are reviewing all of the legislation in effect. because we need to focus on the areas in which europe can give us a true added value and this is the only way in which we can make europe a space of subsidiary and solidarity and he any policy of the commission would mean that we would have to
correct any technocrat i can errors that may arisen. the commission has done away with roaming for, roaming charges for cell phones and we, and that's why we have, done away with roaming charges and this is something that happened in the summer and there were very good intentions behind doing away with the roaming charges. it was very good in terms of the technicalities and as of next week, you will see a new draft which is improved when you travel europe with your mobile phone. you will be able to feel at home anywhere in europe thanks to these new roaming rules.
being responsible means that we have to take responsibility for our actions vis-a-vis our citizens and that is why i would like to change this absurd rule that we have whereby commissioners who stand for election have to give up their posts. the commissioners should not have to do this because this is not a rule that applies elsewhere. we must encourage the commissioners to be, to live up to democracy and the, and our voting rights in europe and so president -- and as young as the european project which is celebrating 60 years in march
may be a little bit older. i've experienced all of this. i have lived through this project and i dedicated my entire life to this. i have done this from personal conviction and i have not hesitated. my, i believe in europe and the stability in the continent and work and social progress. my father believed in this as well and he knew how precious how europe was and how fragile it was. he had to live in the war and fight in the war against his own will and against the will of his country and my father instilled in me these values. what are we instilling in terms of values to our children? what is the heritage are we giving them? is this a union that has forgotten its past, that has no vision for the future? ladies and gentlemen, our
children deserve better. they deserve a europe which preserves their way of life which champions that way of life and protects it. and so it is high time for us as citizens and institutions of the governments to all take their responsibility to build that europe and to build it together. yes, i know that there are certain debates when we talk about the future of europe. there is some pollyanna optimists, and then there are the pessimists who counter everything, but i think that the europe has a mission at home and in the world, but you have the pessimism which only looks at the faults and then you have the rosy view. between that you have the resolve. the resolve of those who will not give up, who will, work in
the spirit of creating something for future generations, and that is the resolve of those who came before us, and i'm calling on us to have resolve so that we can get over our differences. the, history will not remain, remember our names. we will be remembered by the force of our resolve and our convictions. and so needs to be integrated. history will not remember us. they, history will remember our mistakes. and, will make us responsible for what we do in this generation. thank you. [applause]
>> london's daily express website, this article in the past hour, outgoing uk independence party leader nigel farage guessing it would be a her when the result of closely fought and leadership election at 1:30 moments from now. during a party speech as ukip leader, we'll find out half past one who the new leaders is and i wish them luck. a large number of spoiled ballot papers including many calling for mr. farage to stay on as leader to throw up a surprise result. campaigns claimed the race was very tight and likely to be much closer than those supporting
bookie favorite, mep, diane james. the new party leader will be announced and speak live at 8:30 eastern here in the u.s. we'll have coverage of that on c-span2. a look now at prime minister's questions times from this week. >> thank you, colleagues. order. questions to the prime minister. >> question one, mr. speaker --k thank you. thank you, mr. speaker. and let me start by paying tribute to my right honourable friend, the former member of parliament for whitney, david cameron. he has been a tremendous public servant both for his whitney constituency and for the country as a whole. under his leadership we saw the economy being stablized. we saw more people in work than ever before.e. people in low incomes taken out of paying tax all together.
this government will build on that legacy. by extending opportunity to all parts of the country. mr. speaker, this morning i had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others in addition to my duties in this how and i will have such further meetings later today. >> deirdre brock. >> thank you, mr. speaker. the prime minister can not tell us whether she was for staying in single market. how important the financial sector is in scotland's economy. i wonder whether she can tell us that passporting the financial services is guaranteed to continue after the uk leaves the european union? >> i'm not going to i have got honourable lady any different answer from the answer that ige gave the house on many occasions last week.answer i g [shouting] which is, which is this government will be working to insure the right deal for the
united kingdom in trade, in goods, and services. and that includes listening to the concerns that the scottish government has with and governments in northern ireland and wales will raise with us as well. we'll be fully engaged with the administration. i will say to the rightt honourable lady as i said last week, the best thing for the edinborough and scotland is to be a part of the united kingdom. [shouting] >> will my right honourable friend join me in welcoming figures that show unemployment in my constituency has halved since 2010 and, crucially, youth unemployment has fallen by 12% in the last year alone? will she promote the value of technical skills and science and engineering in her push for all children to have a good education that enables them to go as far as their talents and
hard work will take them? >> i'm very happy to join my honourable friend in welcoming the very good employment figures we've seen today. as he has said unemployment in his constituency is halved since 2010.th that is because we had an economic plan. we built a strong economy. he is absolutely right. as we look to providing opportunities for young people, we need to insure that we consider those from whom a technical education for whom skills and vocational education is the right route because whatt we want is an education that is right for every child so they can actually get as far as their talents will take them. >> jeremy corbyn. [shouting] >> thank you, thank you, mr. speaker. i'm sure the whole house will join me, my friend the member from necessarily and jane kennedy police and crime commissioner in pay be tribute to the police constable who was stabbed several times in the line of duty while trying to arrest a rape suspect.
can we all wish him well and speedy recovery? i also wish the former prime minister well on his departurere from this house and well in his future life and i hope that the bielection in whitney will concentrate on issues of education and his views on selection in education. i want to congratulate the prime minister. she has brought about unity, of ulmsted and teachers union. united former education secretaries on both sides. she truly brought about a new era of unity in education thinking. i wonder if it is possible for her this morning within the quiet confines of this house to name any educational expert that backed her proposals on new grammar schools and more selection? >> thank you.ho mr. speaker, first of all, may i join the right honourable gentleman in paying tribute to the police constable who was
stabbed in necessarily. one of the events that i used to look forward to going to at home secretary was peace bravery awards.aw at that event we have policeow officers who never know when they start the shift what will happen to them. they run towards danger when other people run away from it, we owe them a great tribute and for that. i'm glad the right honourable friend raised issue with education. it enabled me to point out over last six years we've seen 1.4 million in good or outstanding schools. that is because of the changeses that this government introduced. it is because of free schools, academies, head teachers being put in charge of schools, more choice for parents, changes which i note all of which the right honourable gentleman opposes. what i want to see is more good school places. a diversity of provision of
education in this country so we really see opportunity for all and young people going as far as their talents will take them. >> mr. corbin. >> mr. speaker i asked the prime minister if she could name any experts help her in this policy. sadly she wasn't able to. can i quote expert at her. his name is john. he is a teacher. he wrote to me and say, the education system and teachers have made grade strides forward to improve quality of differry of curriculum. he says why not fund all schools properly and let us do the job? the evidence, mr. speaker, the effects of selection is this. in kent which has a grammar school system, 27% of the people on free school meals get five food gcses, compared with 45% in london. we're all for spreading good practice but why does the prime minister want to expand a system that can only let children down?
[shouting] >> can i say to the right honourable gentleman he needs to stop casting his mind back tone the 1950s. [shouting] what, what we will be, what we will be doing, what we will be doing is insuring that we are able to provide good school places for the one and a quarter, children who are indr schools that are failing, inadequate or need improvement. those children and the parents of those children know they are not getting the education that is right for them and the opportunities that they need. when it, when we look at the impact of grammar schools, iffim you look at attainment for disadvantaged and non-disadvantaged children, the attainment gap in grammar
schools is virtually zero where is not in other schools. they will have the talent to take the talent will take them. i know the right honourable gentleman believes in equality, the right honourable gentleman believes in equality of outcome. i believe in equality of opportunity. he believes in leveling down. we believe in leveling up. [shouting] >> mr. speaker, equality, mr. speaker, equality of opportunity is not segregatingng children at the age of 11. so let me quote the institute of fiscal studies which says, those in selected areas who don't pass the 11 plus do worse than they would have done in a comprehensive system. the secretary of state for education suggested on monday that new grammar schools may be
required to set up feeder primary schools in poorer areas. will the children in these feeder primaries get automatic places in the grammar school?pl or will they be subject to selei selection? >> what, what we are doing is setting up a multidiverse education system that provides more opportunities and what the right honourable gentleman appears to be defending is the situation we have at the moment where there is selection in our school system, but it is selection by house price. i think we want to insure that children have the ability to go where their talents take them and -- can i just gently remind, the right honourable gentleman, he went to a grammar school. i went to have a grammar school. it is what got us where we are today but my, my --
[shouting] my side might be rather happier about that than his. [shouting] >> jeremy corbyn. >> mr. speaker, the two things that the prime minister and i have in common is, we both can remember the 1950s and we can both remember going to a grammar school. my point is simply this. every child, every child should have the best possible education they can have. we don't need, and never should divide children at the age of 11 a life-changing decision whereng the majority end up losing out. i notice she didn't answer my question about feeder primary schools. on monday the secretary of state for education said we've not engaged much in the reform of grammars, but the government would now start the process. can the prime minister confirm whether existing grammar schools like those in kent and
buckingham shire will now be instructed to widen their admission policies by our b government? >> the right honourable gentleman is right what we're looking and consulting on ise diversity of provision in education. we want to make sure that allke grammar schools actually do the job that we believe is important, which is providing opportunity for a wide range of pupils and many examples across the country of different ways which that is done through selective education but he talks about the education, good education for every child. it is exactly what our policy is about. so there are 1.25, 1 and a quarter million children today who are in schools that are not good or outstanding. there are parents today who fear that their children are not getting a good education to enable them to get on in life. i believe in the education that is right for every child. it is the labour party that has stifled opportunity, stifled
ambition in this country. [shouting]an it is, it is the labour party that is, winning members of the labour party will take advantages of good education for themselves and pull up the ladder behind them for other people. [shouting] >> jeremy corbyn. >> mr. speaker, i, i am sorry that the prime minister was unable to help anyone in kent or buckinghamshire in the answer to my question.n. presumably she will have to return to it but it is not about pulling up ladders. it is about providing a ladder for every child. and let me quote her, a critic of a graham march schools. there is a kind of hopelessness about the demands to bring back grammars. an assumption that this country will only ever be able to offer a decent education to a select few. and the quote goes on to say, i want the conservative party to
rise above that attitude. not my words. those are the former right honourable member for whitney. isn't he correct, that what we need is investment in all of oue schools, a good school for every child, not this selection at the age of 11? of >> what we need is a good school for every child and that is precisely with we will be delivering with the policies that we've announced, and with that policy we will see, we will see universities expanding their support for schools. we'll see more faith schools, being set up. we'll see independent schools increasing their support for schools in the state sector. a diversity of provision of education is what we need to insure good school places for every child. and that good school place is important so young people can take opportunities to get into the work place, i notice, ith think this is the right honourable gentleman's fifth question.
he hasn't yet welcomed the employment figures today. more people, more people in work than ever before. wages rising above inflation.fo that is more people with a pay packet. more money in those pay packets. what would labour offer? more taxation and misery for working families. it is only the conservative party that knows you can only build an economy that works for everyone when everyone has an opportunity for work. [shouting] >> jeremy corbyn. >> mr. speaker, of course ipe welcome anyone who managed to get a job.jo i welcomed those people that managed to get jobs and keep themselves and their families together.lv the problem is, that there are now almost a million of them on zero hours contracts, who do not know what they're going to bedo paid from one week to the other. and in order to help her with the expertise on the reform of secondary schools, could i quote to her michael wilshire, the
chief inspector of schools who said quite simply this, the notion that the poor stand to benefit from the return to grammar schools strikes me as quite palpable, harsh and nonsense. isn't all this proof that the conservative party's green paper addresses none of the actual crises facing our school system? real terms cut in school's budget. half a million pupils in supersized classes. a crisis in teacher recruitment and retention. rising number of unqualified teachers in classrooms.. vital teaching assistants losing their jobs. isn't this is the case of a government heading backwards toh a failed segregation for the few and second class schooling for the many? aren't we to do better than this? [shouting] >> i have to say, i have to say to the right honourableri gentleman that he has got some of his facts wrong, plain and simple.
we have more teachers in our schools today than in 2010. we have more teachers joining the profession than leaving it. we have fewer pupils in super-sized classes than there have been previously. but i simply say that to the right honourable gentleman, first he has opposed every measure that we have introduced to improve the quality of education in this country. he has opposed measures that increase parental choice butut increase the freedom for head teachers to run their schools. he has opposed the opportunity for people to set up free schools. these are all changes that are leading to improvements in our education system and we will build on those with our newh policies but i recognize to the, for the right honourable gentleman this may very well be he has last time the opportunity to face me across this platform. [shouting]
certainly, certainly, certainly if his members parliament have anything to do with it. i sense that he, i accept he and i don't agree on everything, well actually, we probably don't agree on anything. but i must say to him. he has made his mark. let's think of some of the things that the right honourable gentleman has introduced. [shouting] he wants, coal mines without mining them. submarines without sailing them and wants to be labour leader without leading them.. one thing we know, whoever is labour leader after their leadership election, it will be the country that loses. [shouting] >> order, order. can i point out to the house, progress today at this question time question has an absurdly
slow, absurdly slow. i ask order, i ask the house on behalf of our constituents to show some respect for those colleagues who want to question the prime minister, and i'm determined to get down the list. craig williams. >> thank you, mr. speaker. -- schools attended recording of the british holocaust survivors giving their testimony for future generations. it was a deeply moving experience for them and a stark reminder to us to fight racism,i anti-semitism and hatred in all forms. as part of this vital education effort of which i know my rightn honourable friend is a great supporter the establishment of a national memorial to the holocaust. could my right honourable friend update us on the next stage in this?t. >> well i'm grateful for the comments that my honourable friend makes, and he is absolutely right we need to ensure we never forget the horrors of the holocaust and
lessons we must learn from that. it is agreed the national memorial next to parliament on victoria gardens. think that is important place for to it be. my right honourable friend the community secretary will launch a international competition for the design of the memorial. included among that is the possibility of a learning center which will insure there will be those opportunities for young people and others truly to learn that lessons from the holocaust an learn about the appalling atrocities that take place. >> james robinson. >> last week the prime minister was unwilling or unable to give any assurances about remaining in the single european market. today she has been unwilling or unable to give any assurances to the financial sector about protecting the passporting of financial services. meanwhile millions of people from across the united kingdom depend on freedom of movement across the eu for business and for pleasure. they say the prospect of having
to apply and possibly paying for visas. is the prime minister in favor of protecting visa-free travel? , yes or no? >> there was a very clear message from the british people at the time of the referendum vote on june 23rd that theyy wanted, that they wanted to see an -- >> see the rest of question time on our website, c-span.org. we leave it here to return to the uk independence party conference and announcement of its new leader. this is c-span2. >> a man who changed the course of british history. in conference you did just that. but just to be sure that he got the message, let's have one final cheer for nine jell -- nigel farage. [cheering]
[cheers and applause] >> in just a few minutes we will know who has been elected to take our party into the future but first let just spend a few final moments to reflect on what has passed. now i will remember what things were like a year ago. we got four million votes but only one mp. the election had pushed us on to the verge of financial ruin, and nigel had just resigned. [laughter] at times over these last two months they seem like the good ol' days. that said, it didn't look good at the time, but through the
tenacity, dedication and passion of ukip members we put our best foot forward. we picked ourselves up, dusted ourselves off and set to what ukip members do best, we campaigned. we engaged with voters, knocked on doors and delivered the arguments that the country needed to hear. one of the things that frustrated me most over the last few months has been listening to one media outlet after another tell us that it was vote leave responsible for winning "brexit." [booing] does anyone believe it was vote leave? >> no! >> who in here thinks it was ukip? [cheering] >> i'm pleased and proud that we worked with all forces and came together at the right time but be under no illusion, as much as the establishment may deny it, not only would there not be a
referendum without nigel and without ukip, but without our party it would not have been won [applause] and my lords, ladies and gentlemen, that is exactly what we did, we won. we connected with 17 million kindred spirits and now they're just waiting to see what more we can offer. ukip is more important now than ever, and don't let anybody tell you otherwise. we're still here, and we're still relevant. we've seen a glaring example of that just in this last week with the announcement from theresa may that she is now in favor of grammar schools. an interesting policy that we couldn't have written better ourselves. [laughter] in fact i think we did. no tax on the minimum wage, referendum on the eu and now grammar schools. i can't wait to see what policy
ideas the conservatives will claim to come up with next. it just goes to show that ukip is far more than a pressure group. it demonstrates how we drive the agenda to this day. in the near future our new leader will meet with the nec to appoint their own chairman and i will go back to being happy. [laughter] but it really has been one of my greatest honors to serve as nigel's last chairman. i will gleefully hand the role over to somebody else at some point before the end of the month. i will do all i can to offer what help and assistance i'm able to whoever picks up the baton. this is really a time for our party to you night, to come together and to support our new leader. when we work together, we have proven that we have the ability to move mountains and now under our new leader we have to look at which mountain we're going to move next.
so i'm incredibly proud now to announce the results of our leadership contest. this contest has been overseen by the electoral reform services who received 17,970 votes. in fifth place with 1203 votes is elizabeth jones. [applause] in fourth place, with 545 votes is phillip braton. [applause] in third place with 2052 votes is bill etheridge.
>> we did it, ladies and gentlemen. [cheering] you did it, ladies and gentlemen and i have just done it and i am so pleased. [applause] chairman, nigel and conference. take me for that. it will take me a little while to come back down to earth, i can assure you. thank you for your good wishes and such a wonderful reception. thank you for everybody who voted, who took part in the contest. my goodness, you handed over a mantle but there you go, one i'm deeply honored and i do mean deeply honored to take on from nigel. i still quite haven't come to grips with it.
i'm still pinching myself but i'm immensely grateful for what you've done and what you bestowed on me. just remember though, where we are, and what you've asked me to take on. i was part of that european elections winning team. i've been one of your meps in brussels for two years. i may not have contested the general election seat but i supported a number of our candidates, and just remember that we were the third political force in that general election. we really did move mountains in the political landscape. and we might well have been handicapped by a flawed, and quite frankly morally bankrupt post system. [applause] but absolutely nobody can take
away from ukip, united kingdom independence party, the disruption we've caused. [shouting] but can i just mark one particular word, shall we say, one particular sentence. and that is the days of project fear tactics, they have had their days. they have they had their day, everyone and we proved why they have had their day and we're going to insure that they never ever rise from the political ashes ever again. [applause] ladies and gentlemen, let's also thank the media for being here. [laughter]. [applause] why are they here? we are the political change
movement of the united kingdom. there is more interest in you and this party than i'm sure others would dream of. so thank you, media, thank you very much indeed. and we are welcoming you here and joining us. let me go back to people like you out there in the audience. maybe also ukip members following what is going on in terms of the parliament channel broadcasting. even picking up things on their mobile phones. for me, for the individuals i have met in my meet diane for leader events across the country, a huge thank you but also a huge appreciation for introducing yourself and for making me aware of the talent that we have now out there, for enthusiasm we now have out there and for those that really do
want to see you. kip deliver further change in this country. you're grassroots, what you are referred to. for every win who voted, let me echo my thanks for all that you do. there are counselors out there, in district, wherever you want, for them they face a huge challenge in 2017. and i can give you this commitment. i will behind you. i will make sure you get the support you need and you who, wherever you are in this country, in the united kingdom, you will have the backing of the united kingdom independence party winning machine, winning machine. [applause]
but we can not take our eye off that important elephant in the room, can we? we've won a heat. i'm not even going to talk about battles and wars. i'm going to talk about heats and races and getting over the winning line. we've only just won a heat. a heat in a 28 member-states, olympic competition to lead the european union, and i'm very grateful and i appreciate all of the other countries that are now looking to britain and hoping to emulate, what we have done here in their own countries. but, and here's the but, the uk signature ink is not yet dry on that document. and until it's dry on that document, to every single interviewer who talks to you, to
every single romaniac to talks to you -- [applause] , just remind them, that until we get a signature, until that ink is dry, we're still in. they still tell us what to do. they still boss us about. we have to obey everything that goes through the european union various levels of what they purport to suggest is government and democratic process. so just bear that one in mind, if you wouldn't mind on my behalf. now during my national series of events i outlined my 100 days priorities and not least is the absolute focus on this party's policies and making sure we are battle-ready, race ready for the
next general election whenever that might come. we were widely applauded throughout the quality of our many people in 2015 and absolutely rightly some it was independently costed. it stood up to the scrutiny from our political opponents. and word that is the best one on the street was voiced all over the country. we have got to do that again, everyone. i'm going to be asking all of you to make a contribution to that, and make sure that your views are captured, counted, and where possible, included in the policies that we will take forward and put to the united kingdom population to make them aware we truly are a political force that we will act on their behalf, and we will deliver on their behalf, what is necessary for this country. [applause]
but magpie may, magpie may, you have stolen defense spending. you have also tried to steal our grammar schools. i think you will have a you few difficulties getting that one through. just remember, when you try and bury ukip, when you throw everything at us, when you try to underminus, demoralize us, demote straight us, just remember where the best ideas that you steal where they came from, and in all likelihood where they will come from again in the future. [applause]
but i now pay my next tribute. it is an important one. it is to my fellow mep colleagues, their contribution to the project len shun manifested in 2015 sometimes goes unremarked. i worked with them on a weekly basis. the caliber of those individuals, the work ethic those individuals have and the commitment to our cause in europe i think sometimes is undermined and it is ignored. can i say to each and everyone of you, thank you for all of you do on behalf of this party. i want you to continue what you're doing, i want you to continue being the thorn in mr. younger's side and bed mattress. more importantly i want nigel giving them grief as much as he can. [applause]
just remember though, that key message that we developed. this party, the united kingdom independence party, developed for the referendum campaign. the one that some of the other organizations have tried again to steal. the one that again you must constantly remind people, and that message, remember, take back control. take back control. [applause] now of course, you know the academics out there, you know, say they're working hand-in-glove with our opposition. they want to ignore what we fought for, what people voted for, what 17.4 million people voted for. they voted to reach out to the world, to reach out to the commonwealth, to the rest of the
world. for bilateral trade deals. they voted for an outward looking, globally successful, enterprise building britain that can thrive and survive and really build on the strengths this country has in its legacy past. they voted to return full control to westminster and they voted to control our borders. if any of that is going to be signed away under "brexit" light, associated "brexit" membership, or any other concoction that the conservatives currently would like to put forward, may i remind you again, this is what the people army exist for. this is what we're going to fight for, this is what we're going to continue fighting for. but my third and let's call it major tribute, is to an individual who spoke just before
lunch. somebody who has given up decades, sacrifice ad huge amount, who has hand adamant tell to me, who still wants to be beside me as your next leader, who will be a stalwart, proponent and supporter of "brexit," making sure it is delivered. ladies and gentlemen, i'm going to ask you with me, to thank nigel farage once more. [applause]
[applause] >> conference, the european union referendum, and the outcome meant that britain, or the united kingdom, however you want to style it, is embarking on a new era. and just is the same for our party, the united kingdom independence party. i am not nigel light. i'm not eni gel like. i will never ever pretend to be so. what i will be doing is stepping into his leadership shoes, but i will be doing everything to achieve the political success that he is handing over to me and to you. now i recognize the politics is hellishly different scenario
than what i've been used to in terms of leading companies, leading boards, both private and public sector but what i do appreciate is that i can be leader in name but if i'm not leader with you people behind me, that title is meaningless. i can give you this though, everyone, absolute reassures that i believe in ukip's values of liberty, common sense, democracy, and pragmatic approaches to the challenges this country faces. my language might be a little different. i'm not going to be retiring. so unlike nigel i may not be able to be as frank as i might want to be. [laughter] but i tell you one thing. you will always get honesty from me on, any question that is posed to me as best as i can. and i will uphold all of the
beliefs and values that this party stands for and let nobody suggest otherwise. [applause] professionalism will though be at the top of my agenda. if we're going to reach and achieve the goals this party is still capable of achieving, then change is going to have to happen. it's not going to be change for change sake. it is not going to be change because i think i ought to change it and i can't justify it. it is going to be because change is necessary and justified, and the caveat and what is behind that will be to provide and make sure we have a winning political machine, under my leadership, and with something coming to
you, which you know delivers all of your key objectives and makes sure you are part of a winning machine. [applause] so let me answer some of the questions that i have had put to me, some of those from the detractors who would already like to underminus and bury ukip with this conference. the threats to the referendum outcome are increasing by the day. but i can tell you this, here's some answers. no to a european union associate membership. no to "brexit" light. no to single market controls. and no to unrestricted or uncontrolled freedom of movement into this country for 450 or 500 million, whatever the european looks like, by the
time, i believe we will leave. if they come in, they come in on a fair basis. but, here's the yeses. this is what i want you to believe in and work with me on. yes to a true, 100% european union exit. can i be anymore clearer? [applause] yes to a sovereign, independent united kingdom. [applause] yes, to a united kingdom free to make trade deals with whoever, and whenever we want. [applause] and yes, to an immigration
policy that allows entry regardless of origin, to those with the skills, and the expertise, and the social values that this country wants. [applause] may i say, 17.4 million people signed up to that, those issues, that declaration. 17.4 million people voted to leave the european union. that's what independence means, and that's independence in the united kingdom independence party name means. so don't ignore it. remainiacs. [applause] so, mrs. may, you're now
stop the fuss, get on with it. invoke article. [applause] and give ukip the best christmas present it could ever have, 2016, 25th of december. [applause] ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much indeed. thank you from the bottom of my heart. under my leadership, my serious messages to you all. we're going to confound our critics, we're going to outwit our opponents, we're going to build on our electoral success we achieved to date and do more. as i said, we are the opposition party in waiting, so watch out.
[inaudible conversation] >> wow thank you, thank you think you wow, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for that fantastic welcome. we did it. we got our country back and we will not have done it without you, the people and i am very, very proud of every single one of you. thank you the events of june the
23rd at 3:30 a.m., we realized we were going to win and it was a fairytale that had come true because this had been a very long journey indeed. twenty-five years ago i joined the federalist league. not many of you can say that because there weren't many of us. in 1993i said to myself, it doesn't doesn't matter that all my friends and family and business colleagues think i've gone mad. it doesn't matter to me that it is impossible to get a new policy off the ground in this country. to me it was very simple all those years ago, it was a matter of principle. i believe we should govern our own country.
and six weeks after the party had been formed a conservative member party died overnight and there was a by election. i volunteered and i was the first ever adopted candidate of the uk independence party. i went out there and i campaigned and i did my best and i can tell you that the night of the results, by a crushing clear margin of 164 votes, i beat my opponent. things changed in 1999 with the advent of proportional representation for the european
elections. nobody thought we had a chance. i always did and i'll never forget that night when three of us were elected and it was just beginning to get on in real terms and i'll never forget that feeling. it was an amazing feeling. i was interviewed, my first live interview and it was a live interview at one in the morning. congratulations nigel, you said you were going to do it and you have. you'll find a never ending round of indentations to luncheons, dinners, champagne receptions. do you, he asked me, think you will become corrupted by the lifestyle. i replied live on air, no, i've always lived like that.
[laughter] [applause] at least he was true. we went on, year after year, being on a big ride, successes, dramatic failures, indonesian warfare, all the things that happen within a political party but we first really got onto the political big time early in 2013. early in 2013 when suddenly the british public realized what we had to say about the taboo subject. the subject you are not supposed to discuss in polite company. the subject that new labor, even raising it, somehow you were committing a criminal offense. we weren't frightened to talk honestly and openly about the need for sensible immigration into this country.
we talked about it. and we talked about it, and it was rapidly becoming the number one issue in british politics and nobody else would even touch the subject. they couldn't touch the subject because they were all committed to membership of the european union which meant the free movement was up to 500 million people. easily by election we got a big storm. we then went into the county elections of that year and i remember, i was there about 9:00 a.m. for some interviews getting 23% of the national vote i was about a hundred yards away from the entrance and i saw cameramen and photographers and i thought cranky, something really big must've happened. i was oblivious to just what
we've done. we had gone on from there and one the european elections in 2014. [applause] without that, there would have been no referendum. without you in the people's army, there would have been no ground campaign, and together we have changed the course of british history. [applause] and we've brought down a prime minister and we got rid of the
chancellor. i forget what i call him now and we got rid of a european chancellor. i said, four years ago, i predicted it would cause an earthquake in british politics well, we have. [applause] the question is, what now? we have a new prime minister who has said that the exit vote means the exit. a new prime minister that was short on this issue. i believe things are beginning to change.
when i saw her at the g20, she said the british people voted in the referendum for some control of immigration from the european union. no prime minister, we voted voted to take back control of our border. and we have. we have cabinet members still fighting the referendum. half this cabinet did not only fail to support the winning side of the referendum but it seems to me they want to do their upmost to keep part of the single market. there will be a great political battle ahead and my concern
would be this, with labor in the mess that it's in, and boy it is in a mess, a leadership election going on and yet there's no conversation, but with labor in trouble and the conservatives perhaps headed toward 2020 in a very comfortable and easy position the temptation on the prime minister will be to go for a soft exit as opposed to a hard we can be very proud of the fact that we won the war, but we now must win the peace and the only mechanism to put pressure is to keep the debate alive and strong and make sure the people get what they voted for so we can be
healthy and strong. [applause] we will find out at half past one who our new leader is and i wish them, i'm guessing it will be at her but we will see, i wish them them the very best of luck. my job is not to metal. my job is not to try to influence, but my job will be if that leader wants any help or advice, make no mistake about it, i am still behind this party and its aims. [applause] they have stood beside me for six years as chairman of the party and if you think being leader is difficult, try being german and i have to say if at some point in time they do get
recognized for their contribution to british political life, i'm bearing in mind that the democrats have over 100 in the house of lords. if anything like that was to come our ways than i think you should be part of our list for everything you have done for this party. [applause] he talks about reform, he talked about change. remember this, it was a grassroots political party. in the 1990s '90s they didn't have any well-known national, it was a grassroots party and we chose to manager self as a committee of willing volunteers.
that was time and find then but we've moved on. we are now the third biggest political party in this country. we have to change our management structures and we have to guard, because one of the problems with successes it brings people in who don't do it for gains of the country or the people but are more motivated by their own professional career in politics. there are things that need to change, but in essence, i know from that referendum campaign and since, i know this party is united. i know this party is strong. you've only got to look at the by elections week after week in kent. there are millions of people out
there who now identify as this party. they believe in us, they trust us, they think we are speaking up for them. the fact that we have changed the center of gravity of british politics, the the fact that many of the things we campaigned on, the fact that the others are talking about it doesn't mean they are going to deliver it. it's us that has to keep pushing all of those agendas. not only are there millions of people out there who have been loyal to us, but i don't think the vote we can get from the labour party has even really started yet. >> in many ways, is a very decent and principled man. he doesn't believe in britain. he doesn't even want to sing the
national anthem. i think we have fantastic potential in wales and elsewhere in picking up labor votes. believe me, i think there's only one party that we can support and i think we will judge whether the exit means exit on three simple measures. by the time the next general election comes along, will we have back our territorial fishing waters around the coast of the united kingdom? [applause] will we be outside the single market so that we have 90% of
our businesses that don't trade with europe and don't get regulated by europe and above all we have this chance for exit, the only time we will know is one that has been put in the bin and we get back a british passport. [applause] i have a feeling they're not going to deliver all of that and i'm certain they won't deliver it must this party is strong and fighting hard in every single constituency in this country. we won the war, we must now win the peace.
today closes a chapter of what has been a really extraordinary few years. honestly, looking back, i could've never dreamt we would achieve what we have. i put absolutely all of me into this. [applause] i literally couldn't have worked any harder or couldn't have been more determined. in a sense, i guess it has been my life's work to try to get this party to this point. i frankly don't think i could do anymore. i think, folks, i've done my bit.
[applause] i'm not giving up on politics completely. as i say, i will support the new leader. i will continue to lead a group in the european parliament and making my constructive contributions. i attend to travel around the european capitals to try to help in dependency and democracy movements in those countries, too. and who knows, i may even go back to the united states of
america, at some. i will be engaged in political life without leading a political party and i will leave me freer and less constrained. [laughter] from now on i am really going to speak my mind. [applause] i said as i toured the country on that wonderful to her, i said i want my country back and now folks, i want want my life back. i've got to think everybody for their massive contribution of so many thousands of you have made for helping me do this job, to helping us change the course of british history. thank you.
hampshire leader is available online and some say a better choice for president and no need to hold your nose. the publisher is joining us from manchester. joe mcquaid, thanks for being with us. >> always a pleasure to be on c-span, steve. >> y gary johnson? >> we think em bill who is a former leader from massachusetts have a lot to offer and would, under any circumstances, but in this crazy year with the two major party candidates, they look like a real ray of hope in the dockets. >> i mentioned hold your nose, a reference to to an editorial back in 1972 by your predecessor >> yes, he was astonished that
richard nixon had made, at the time is what we call red china and he was ballistic about it. he didn't think it was going to be an all good for the united states and i'm not sure that he wasn't right, but nixon of course, watergate had happened but nobody knew the extent of it at the time and nixon's opponent was george govern who was to the left of ed muskie on terms of retreating vietnam. there was this advice which was hold your nose and vote for nixon. i remind readers of that and our editorial today and say there's no need to hold your nose in voting for johnson. they are commendable ticket of two guys who actually have experience and success in running government and dealing across the aisle - libertarians
on the ballot in all 50 states and yet they still have not reached, in many of the national polls that 15% benchmark in order to participate in the first of four presidential debates. the first is scheduled for a week from monday. >> yes, that's as bad as last summer when the networks in the cables, especially were determining who to invite to their so-called debates and c-span was very nice to come up and cover our event with all 16 of the republican candidates minus trump who decided not to show up, but we didn't think then we don't think now that some of these arbitrary decisions about who gets in and who gets out are the right ones for the country. johnson and wells came in and
talk to us about it and said what the commission might do is have a lower percentage in the popular polls for the first debate and then see polls subsequent to that as to who gets in after that. in other words, maybe 10% first go-round, moving up to 20% for subsequent debates. tv love the show and this will be quite the show between clinton and trump, but it's going to be all smoking hot air and johnson, if he's given a chance to tell a national audience that he and wells exist really has the best chance since roosevelt in 1912 of actually making a dent in the popular vote. as you say, they've gotten on
all 50 states. i don't think anybody else has done that. they're credible, they're going going around the country, they both have bona fide records and they deserve to be honored. the way it looks now, a lot of americans are not going to hear of this, what we think is a good alternative. >> voters are hearing from donald trump and hillary clinton. let let me ask you about both candidates. >> first, donald trump, how would you describe him? >> he's a blowhard who has no business running for the president of the united states other than he has gotten a lot of free media and he is going off of that. his record in business is very spotty. his statements as to his political beliefs have been all over the lot, they change from
one day to the next. he is now out there embracing funded daycare and parental leave. he thinks vladimir putin, the boss of russia is a great guy who has the popular support of his country. he doesn't know what nuclear triad is, he makes fun of veterans and physically disabled people, he's not a republican and he shouldn't be president of the united states. >> and hillary clinton? >> hillary clinton is a career politician who is the status quo as we said in the editorial, we think trump is actually not that far from the status quo. go long, build up to government, more more expense, she is an
expert at that but she is clearly not telling the truth about a lot of things including her own health and how she does the nation's business on private e-mail. she has gotten her job because of name recognition, mostly from her husband, and she ran and obama gave her a secretary of state job which she has not done, to our estimation, a very good job of. >> joe mcquaid, the publisher of the new hampshire leader and to do ways editorial is available online at union leader.com. it's always a pleasure. things for being with us. >> okay steve, keep c-span running. >> we are alive this morning as a number of evangelical members give their view on candidates running for president. we have live coverage here on
c-span2. >> to promote media excellence and defense free speech. i remember when mike huckabee first ran for president. a debate moderator challenged him because he had been a pastor in a christian leader, maybe you are too pious to be political. maybe you can't handle the cut and thrust of political debate. mike huckabee said, obviously, you've never been to a business meeting at a baptist church. we are seeing christians debate, tweet and blog, but what we are not seeing, hearing the discussion, and i can tell you it is needed. this presidential election is
unlike any other in recent years evangelicals are among the most vocal critics of both major party nominees while others strongly backed donald trump. we are holding this form to allow for a reasoned, careful debate among evangelical leaders in the hope that it will result in more light and less heat. i am grateful to these leaders of diverse backgrounds, professions to engage each other on these matters. christians, now more than ever, must be america's best citizens. we hope this form will help them be that in this election season and beyond. being the best citizens necessarily includes an educated vote for president, including this year.
the present attendance, we are grateful for your interest in this debate and the way to think about this forum is that it is a family conversation. perhaps much like the ones that are happening this fall across the nation among evangelicals around dinner tables in church, parking lots and sunday school classes. clearly there are some strong disagreements among evangelicals , but after november 8, we will still be part of the same family. the common concerns and common commitments to improve our nation. we are glad for you to listen in and listen on to conversation and to report what you hear. you are certainly free to ask questions of the participants after the debate is concluded should they be willing to elaborate on their views. as a nonpartisan association of christian communicators, and are being neither supports or rejects candidates for president we have support on both sides of
the debate and felt our organization would be an ideal platform to host this conversation. we want to thank the national press club for hosting us. we want to thank c-span2 for airing this debate live and also welcome the nrb tv audience our participants, some of who are nrb members, while the other should be, are eric erickson, janet parshall, bishop harry jackson. the debate will have three stages. this debate, three parts. eric and janet will each make ten minute opening remarks following which each will have five minutes to respond to the other. then harry and bill will have ten minute opening remarks following which will have five minutes to respond to each other then i will ask a series of
questions of the panel and they will engage each other. first, eric erickson is host of atlantis evening news on the radio in atlanta and editor of the research it.com. he will present a opposition to donald trump. eric is a fox news contributor and pursuing a masters degree at reformed theological seminary. welcome eric erickson. [applause] go for it. >> i am a "star trek" fan. one of the worst "star trek" movies ever made was "star trek" five where everyone becomes brainwashed by a cult and is convinced that god, not a black hole, is at the center of the milky way. they go looking for god at the center of the milky way and sure enough they find god and it's not until perk asks the relevant
questions that they all snap out of it. what does god need with a spaceship? what does god need with a sinner in the white house? i am not owing to dissuade you if you've decided you are going to vote for trump in the voting booth. go for it. i won't ask you to volley late your conscience any more than once asked me to violate mine. i do think christians in america, particularly those with platforms, should not be supporting donald trump openly. i think it's harmful to our witness. let's look at our candidates in this election. one candidate in an interview has been asked who jesus christ is and referred to him as her savior. one candidate in this act election has been asked multiple times who jesus christ is and the closest he has gotten to it is when cal thomas asked him and
he said, jesus to me is somebody i can think about for security and confidence and someone i can revere in terms of bravery and courage and because i consider the christian religion so important. to david brody he described him as the ultimate. you look at this, here we are on the pacific ocean, how did i ever own ever owned this? i bought it 15 years ago. i made one of the great deals ever. i have no mortgage on it as i will certify and represent to you. i was able to buy this and that's what i want to do for the country. we want to bring it back, but god is the ultimate. between two candidates, one says jesus is her savior and the other said he is someone i can think about for security and confidence. if our chief end is to glorify god in advance the kingdom of god, when a new person interested in the facefaith comes to us and asks us, why do
not believe him when he doesn't say jesus as savior and you think he's a christian and she says she's a christian and says jesus is her savior. why him and not her? please ask blaine while you are advocating for the man who has bragged in his book about multiple affairs and cleaning with married women, has cheated widows and single moms in the adder elderly out of money through trump university, has stiffed the low income workers on his building saying if you want to collect you need to sue. how does he represent our values ? if you want to advocate for that, okay, but how are you advancing the kingdom of god? trump has never asked for or given us, christianity 101. i realize god has never asked
donald trump for forgiveness either but donald trump has never asked god for forgiveness. let's review his list. he's bragged about affairs from married women, he's taken money from elderly and single women, from deuteronomy and james, to visit orphans and widows and keep oneself unstained by the wordpad he has filed for bankruptcy and let others put the bill, he's refused to pay labors and small businesses but they were owed telling them to sue and again he told them in iowa he's never had to ask for forgiveness. he told anderson cooper he's never asked for forgiveness. and again he said it in june. when asked if he had ever repented he said i will ask for forgiveness.
he says he's a christian but he's never had to repent. he's been asked who jesus is and he said the guy he can look up to. matthew three : two in those days john the baptist came preaching in the wilderness of judea and saying repent for the kingdom of heaven was near. mark 1:15 jesus went into galilee and proclaim the gospel of god for the time is fulfilled, the kingdom of god is here, repent. mark six : 12 said so the apostles proclaimed people should repent. asked to : 388 jesus said repent and be baptized. acts seven : 30, the time got overlooked but now he commands all people to repent. revelations, be zealous and repent, he has not repented and he said he hasn't repented. we are going to say this is a man who christian should advance the kingdom of god?
if you want to vote for him, go vote for him but you're harming your witness if you advocate for him. let's look at first corinthians five, judge not lest you be judged. paul writes, now i'm writing to you not to associate with anyone embarrassed and a brother for what have i to do with judging outsiders. it is that not those in the church from you are to judge. he repeats it later. we instruct brothers to the name of our lord jesus christ to shun brother who conduct himself in a disorderly way and not accordance with tradition. somewhat argue they were writing these individual churches. they were to have no commerce with them, they were to have no commerce and shame them that in so shaming them they might bring
them to repentance and it's not to shun them. for those who think this only applies to the individual church at those locations, they come in conflict who have all written on first corinthians five and all have said this applies to the church universal. we have a man running for president of the united states who has bragged about his affairs, bragged about dipping others with the bill, cheated women, widows who had said he's never had to ask god for forgiveness, who does not identify jesus christ as his lord and savior but says he's a christian. if we are in the public square advocating for someone like that, what good are we as christians to say we believe in scripture when scripture tells us we should not be advocating for a person like this. this election is ultimately,
either way we've got someone we don't like. i realize some of you decided he's better than her. that's fine. some say he could be cyrus letting us back into the holy land. between the lesser two evils, god has never asked his people to choose the evil. he has done it for them. he didn't ask the israelites to open the gates, he open the gates. i don't think we should be asking people to do that. history, i am sure of it would show us there are people who told those in babylon it's just a statue. we don't remember them, we remember the man who refused to battle. i believe in a god and a last day and a savior and i believe i'm on a winning team.
i believe i win in the end and i don't think this election affects my salvation and i don't think we as christians should advance a man we don't think will help the church because i thank god helps the church and we will help god. thank you. >> thank you eric next we have janet. janet is host of the daily two hour radio program in the market with janet partial. she has carried on hundreds of christian radio stations across the country. she is a long time and rb member and she has been a chairman of our public policy committee, she is a a broadcaster from the nation's capital and has been doing it for over two decades. she will argue in favor of supporting trump. it's all yours janet. [applause] >> if i take ehret at his word. i think maybe he prescribes to
the i never vote for anyone, i vote against. let's just look at the numbers. as john adams said facts are stubborn things. there are 35 million evangelical voters in america. 28 million are registered to vote. in 2012, it was 335,000 votes 35000 votes in for swing states that made the difference. this is a perform chant profoundly crucial election where everything the vote will count and in light of last nights fox news polls, the, the candidates are one point apart. nearly nine in ten gop writ registered voters say they would vote for trump over clinton if the election was held today. among gop voters who attend regularly, 84% said they would back trump if the election was today and in july a poll said 94% of percent of evangelical republicans would vote for trump over clinton. research says churchgoing
republicans were absolutely support trumpet i'm not going to use the word evangelical because that can be used as a bludgeoning tool by the media. it can mean anything from soup do not. in fact in 1975, time magazine said the rise of evangelical because it was jimmy carter who got 50% of the votes. we are going to re- define the word evangelical and i'm going to use the term that george barna came up. he has a new book called america at the crossroads i recommend it he came up with the term sage cons. spiritually active means you know you are a sinner and need a savior and that's jesus who took on sin and paid the price for all of us.
he went to calvary kept his word and paid the price. he proved he was the messiah by resurrecting from the grave. those who profess that jesus is lowered and god has raised from the dead will be saved. that is spiritually active. in addition to that, it also means they believe in the vibrant living, transcendent word of god. as such it impacts every single aspect of their life including, but not limited to their political perspective. using sage con as my lodging.let me talk about what happened. they said, about 11%, go trump. then only 15% said they had a favorable impression. when it became clear he was the gop nominee, that gop nominee, that support jumped to 70% and after the republican convention it jumped to 83% where has remained between 80 and 85%. the 5%. the initial disappointment of seeing trump is the gop candidate cause some to say we are going to go third-party and that has now been cut in half. 8% expect to vote for gary
johnson or another candidate. mrs. clinton has never caught on with this group it she was in line to get 2% of the vote and she dropped down to 1% and now she has spiked to 4%. largely in part to confused writings who write a piece entitled if you're pro-life vote for hillary clinton. i will leave that to your own imagination. i want to talk about this character issue because we've heard it over and over and over about character. when all else fails go back and read the instructions. let's look at american history. let's look at the character of the president. thomas jefferson had an affair fathering one if not six children. william henry harrison conceived a child with a slave. james garfield had multiple
affairs in 1880. the election was rocked that he had visited a new orleans prostitute. in 1873 cleveland was accused of a sexual assault and she was put in an insane asylum. the washington post accidentally noted, and i quote, forgive me, the president had been entering edith regularly and that meant entertaining but the damage had been done. harding had an affair with a married woman during the 1920 presidential election.
they bribed her to stay out of sight sending them to asia with 20,000 housing cash. then he then he took up with another woman. she had a love child and then gave birth to a baby girl in 1919. harding had the secret service hand-deliver child-support payments. he had affairs while in office with at least four other women, two of whom who had his child out of wedlock. he said it's a good thing i'm not a woman, i'd always be pregnant, i can't say no. franklin and eleanor are believed to have mistresses in the white house. lyndon johnson didn't limit himself to only one affair, he bragged that he had more women by accident than kennedy ever had on purpose. lbj had no problem talking to reporters and conducting business with officials while on
the toilet because of the watergate tapes we know richard nixon could make a sailor blessed with his swearing. i could hardly need to talk about jfk and bill clinton when it comes to their sexual activities. that makes donald trump look tame by comparison. we will talk about character. we are not electing a messiah. last time i was checked he was appointed to office. and he was not term term list. i do not expect to have anything less than a center in the white house. we have sinners everywhere, in fact i am a sinner. government is a blessing. it was designed by god himself when moses' father-in-law that you can't do this yourself. he said choose out among
yourself leaders, representative government. god instituted this idea. when we were going back in history to 1787, the constitutional convention was being held in strict privacy. people paced back and forth wondering what the outcome would be. then up ran a mrs. powell of philadelphia who went to ben franklin and said dr. what we have? a republic a monarchy. without hesitation hubris bonded a republic if you can keep it. i'm interested in keeping the republic. seventeen candidates strutted upon the gop stage. those who cared voted. we have the freedom in this country to run for office and vote for whomever we wish. the system works and the final candidate steps forward. it may not have been what the politically entrenched wanted. he may not have been a person other voters wanted and he wasn't a career politician. he rocked the politician system. he challenged the conventional wisdom that a gop candidate had
to be a professional politician. hamilton, madison and adams would have challenge that concept as well. they wanted to be referred to as statesman and they would've passed out cold if they knew people held office for 20 years or more. the system works. for those who have been praying and fasting through during ed this process, do we now know the sovereignty of god didn't apply? did he take off to philadelphia or was god sovereign in this entire process mark can god raise up a leader that doesn't look like what we want but is exactly what he wants? can he use a pagan king to rebuild the walls of jerusalem rush mark and he use an adulterer and a murderer and call him the apple of his eye? for the record, noah was a
drunk, abraham lied, jacob was a liar, samson was a womanizer, elijah was suicidal, he gnawed god has a track record of using flawed and broken people even when it doesn't look right for us. for me i choose to keep the republic and secure the system. >> thank you janet. >> now eric, you have five minutes to respond or say whatever you want. >> let's back up to the jeremiah 3021 reference, but let's back up to verse 18 thus says the lord, behold, i will restore the fortunes of the 10-inch intensive jake up and have compassionate dwelling. it should be rebuilt and stand
where it used to be an out of them shall come songs and the voices of those who celebrate. i will multiply them and they shall not be few. i will make them honored and they will not be small. their children shall be as they were in the congregation shall be established before me and i will punish all who oppress them. their prints shall be one of themselves, the rulers shall come from their midst. i will make him draw near and he shall approach me for who would dare of himself to prove approach me declares the lord and you shall be my people and i will be your god. people didn't have to participate in the process, god was going to do it himself. let's go through the litany of character flaws of presidents. do any of you remember where warren hardy wrote the book where he bragged about his affairs with women? do any of you recall bill clinton going on national television saying he would like to have with his daughter if she was someone else's child? i don't recall them publicly bragging about their sins. we are all sinners. we all fall short of the glory of god. the question is if we revel in ours in or repent. all of the people in the bible,
it's true, some terrible people. abraham doubted, you had peter reject christ, samson, you name it they all have something in common that donald trump doesn't. one, god chose them into every one of them repented. every one of them asked for forgiveness. donald trump has said three times he's never had to ask for forgiveness. donald trump said he's a christian but he hasn't had asked for forgiveness. he has written books bragging about his affairs. are we to lower the bar or strive for something higher? are we to say all these other people did terrible things so let's embrace the terrible. no. we are supposed to gain for our higher and best use which is to glorify god forever and forever. we do not glorify god when we say yes he's a sinner just like everyone else, women, widows, the, the elderly, hasn't repented, that's our guide.
go vote for him privately, but if you enjoy and champion him i think you harm your witness because we may be wrapped up in the politics of the day, but there are people longing for the lord that are looking at christians saying if they're putting their faith in a guy like him what's in their church for me. we are supposed to advance the kingdom of god. saying all of these other people were terrible peoples are working to go with a terrible, i don't think that advances a kingdom. >> thank you eric. okay janet you have five minutes to respond. >> i appreciate that. thank you very much but i'm going to be kind because by term limitations we know no president conserve beyond eight years. i know this guy and i are going to spend eternity together and we make could be bunk makes in heaven so were going to get along right here.
first of all note. [inaudible] they're doing everything in their power to denigrate donald trump. i don't know if donald trump has ever asked for forgiveness but i've never had that conversation god looks upon the heart. can we put bed the silliness about one corinthian? one john, one peter one corinthians. let me go to romans 13. we have a relationship with government. that's what this is all about. we have dual citizenship as followers of jesus christ. our mandate is to render unto caesar. that's a lot more than identified the face on point. he said you've got
responsibilities here on earth and you have responsibilities to me as your eternal king. we are to seize the welfare of the city quoting jeremiah and one of the ways we do that is by absolutely influencing and letting our lights shine that they might see our good light to honor our father in heaven. we are to engage culturally. our salvation does not come by way of washington. that doesn't mean that i don't try to influence. here is daniel, a teenager turned prime minister who went to a pagan king and influenced him to the point that he went from eating grass to praising god because god's people prayed for a bad leader. i believe we have more influence than we do in the voting booth. i believe god uses people to handle out his plan and goodwill. we are to obey. they say the pontius pilate option is not one for us as believers. we don't washer hand for this
and step back. not voting for trump voting for clinton. it's just a matter of math. a flawed candidate should not prevent us form opposing a more dangerous one, one that has a clearly articulated world view. i don't care if she talks about her savior or not, i have interested in whether or not your deeds match your speech. do you believe in the denigration of marriage and the violation of the pre-born. you said you you were to protect american citizens, what differences does it make anyway. as a result we have dead american citizens. the questions we have to answer is this, what will you do for the country? :