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fans to give them backup, but also it's written for the never trumpers. mostly what i hear from them, including an attack on my hero charges charles murray, because i've been appalled at the intellectuals on our side -- they the ones who are the social official snobs. americaners are voting on issues and they're voting on gold fixtures. i can we get beyond that? bill a wall. >> ann coulter, the book "in trump we trust" >> you've been watching ann coulter discuss her buck,
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focusing on he thoughts on immigration and immigration is the focus of into book ofs series of campaign-s this week. now another point of view from actress diane guerrero,er book called "in the country we love." >> diane guerrero has appeared in the liery rated tv series, tv shows, orange is the new black, and jane the virgin. her new book, "in the country we love: my family divided" is a compelling and moving memoir which has received praise from the literary community. die diane volunteer with the nonprofit immigrant legal resource center, and with an organization that propromotes civil vomit. and has been named ambassador
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for citizenship and naturalization by the white house. tonight she is joined in -- by the baltimore sun's award-winning education reporter, liz boyy and we thank you for being here and moderating this conversation with dianne. please welcome, diane and liz to the president library. -- the pratt library. [applause] >> hello. good evening. can you all hear us? >> hello. >> this does work. >> well, i just wanted to start the conversation off by having diane del you -- you probably know of her as an actress but don't know her back story. wanted to ask her to give us the briefest of introductions about her story, just the sort of
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structure of it and who she is. >> thank you. thank you, liz, thank you, judy, and thank you pratt library and thank you to all of you for being here today. feel so honored you came out to hear me speak. i'll try my best. out my name is dianne guerrero. my parents are colombian immigrants. was born in new jersey but raised in boston. boston, anybody -- no. yay!ised in my parents came here with a series visa in hopes -- the story changes sometimes. my dad -- they sometimes say, we were just going to see how -- check out the states or -- my mother had hopes of staying and making a family here and making her dreams come true, of course.
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and eventually their visa expired, and they wanted to try to figure out a way to become citizens. so that was their journey and their quest. so they were undocumented. for as long as i can remember. and my childhood was shaped by that, by that fact. my parents were very honest with me as a young girl. i knew what their status was and i knew very clearly what my status was. was an american citizen and they weren't. so, they -- i had something that hey wanted verdes separately and they made it very clear that they indianaed that so -- they needed that so we could stay together. so i remember every prayer, every wish, was that my parents got these papers that they needed so that we could stay together. we managed to live our lives, but it was certainly scary and i know that anybody who has beenwe
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through the experience knows how intense it and is how interesting your life can become. when you're living in the shadows. i also had a dream of becoming an entertainer, performer, an artist, and so when my parents deport because of their lack of documents i decided to stay and pursue my dream, which was to stay here and finish my education and try to live out my own dream in the country we love. it's corny but i always put that in there. yesterday i was making this video for this event, and i put
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that in there. i said, in the country we love and then winked because i felt embarrassed. my friend said, own that. it's the country you love. so i'm not winking. i can say, so i can stay in the country we love and pursue my i dreams and form my own life. and then i -- so here we are. i think 14, 15 years passed, and i wasn't dealing with the huge cloud of my life, which was this whole issue of immigration, and i started seeing the topic come up a lot in the news, and people day-to-day conversations. so, the word "immigration" would come up and my ears would like start ringing and i would want to talk about it but i couldn't because i felt all sorts of stuff.
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i had a lot of issues with it because my parents were deported. and i didn't want to really deal with that. but then i saw that there was a need to use my voice in thisnt way, and so i -- it started little by little. wrote an op-ed, feeling the waters out. i didn't think anybody would read the op-ed. i was like, i'm going to do this but no one is going to read it so it's all good. i lived my life as-by trying things out and telling misthat no one is ever going to see it. nothing is ever going to come of it but i'll just try it. right? and i tried and people did read it and it did get attention. then i realized it was such an important issue that i had to talk about it, and i had to talk about it because i had beensu through this experience, and i knew that million's people were going through the same thing and our country needed voices like
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mine, people who had been through it first hand and could share a human story, and kind of be part of the conversation. and then la la la, lots of stuff happened and then i wrote this book and now i'm here. is that too long? >> these great. one of the interesting things about the book is that -- i've worked a lot on stories about nims the last year, so i think one of the really interesting things is we hear so much about the journeys to america, froms people all over the world. but we don't always hear what happens once their here. we don't always hear the voice of the child who is parents are deported. we don't hear how is it if you're an iraqi girl and arrive in baltimore, what happens after you get here.
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and so i think those voices are really important to by heard more. i wanted to ask diane to read sort of a crucial moment in the book, her book, when -- i will just set this up a little. she -- once her parents were taken out of the house, they were detained for a while in prison. so, she could go and visit them. so the went to sort of say goodbye to her mom, and i'll let you start from there. >> this is in the prison. >> yes. >> okay. excuse me if i flub or anything. i have some learning disabilities. sounds funny but it's true. here we good. i know, not the best professional. want to be an actor? all challenging myself. here goes. you ready? amelia asked? i stood and pivoted so so i
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could avoid mommy's face. as much as i longed to see her o also didn't want to remember her like this. not with her where i wases chained up, not in an orange jump suit, the person winds that barrier wasn't my mother. she was a stranger to me. hardly a sound, group -- the group shuffled back down the corridor, and amelia held my hand while we walked. this isn't the end for you, guy diane, she said as she tried to reassure me, but it felt like the end. as devastated as i was for my mom, i was even more scared for myself. she and my dad were going home to family. i was stepping into a future i prayed would never come. outside amelia peered out over the lot, trying to recall where she parked her camry. a few hundred feet away from us near the prison side entrance,
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white policeman pulled up. amelia and i exchanged a look. seconds later two guards herded some inmates out into the curb. my mother was among them. just as my mother was stepping into the paddy wagon, she turned around and caught a glimpse of me. she froze. i could tell she wanted to sayay something, to run to me, but before she could make a move, a guard rushed her into the van. let's go. he snapped. the engine rumbled on.n. from her seat in the rear, mommy twisted herself around so she could see me through the bars on the windows, trying to tell me something but a i couldn't figure out what it was. then all at once i understood. i love you. she was saying. love you. i love you, i love you.
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she repeated the three words until the van turned from thee lot and disappeared. i smiled. that was the only thing i could be sure of, that my mother loved me.ld be s fuck anyone who tried to come between us. excuse me. my teenage years.fuck any the summer i lost my parents it was the strangest kind of heartache. no friends gathered to grief over the departied. no flour flowers were sent no memorial service was planned. and yet, the two people i chair cherished the most were gone. not from the world itself, but gone from me. we'd find a way to move forward, to carry on, just not with the promise of one another's presence. thank you. [applause] were an
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sorry if there were any children in the audience. >> one of the things that is not well-understood outside of the latino immigrant community is the extent of the divisions that the immigration experience has on families. in my work as a reporter for "the baltimore sun" i spent six or eight monned another hat at theson high school in east baltimore and wrote a series about that -- those -- profilinr three stunts. one of them a latino boy named axle but during that experience i heard particularly the boys, the undocumented boys who had made it across the border, they told stories about their mothers or fathers disappearing from
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them. usually their parents didn't tell them they were going to leave honduras or el salvador. the left sometimes in the middle of the night or while they were at school and couldn't actually bear to say goodbye though children so they just left. and in one case, one of the boys said he came home from school and realized hit mother was again, and everyone was crying, and he cooperate -- couldn't figure it out. another case a boy told me he was told his mother was going to just take a bus to another town, but he knew something was terribly wrong and he ran with all his might to see her before she got on the bus, and he did just barely glimpse her leaving and she was crying and he was crying and he didn't see her for eight years. that happens so often, i think,
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and when the kids are reunited you would thick -- think, my negotiating, us is the most wonderful thing in the world but it's terribly difficult because you don't really know them. they're really strangers to you. and many in their -- this is such a problem in the latino immigrant community that they have now -- the teachers have started developing curriculum that helps parents and their children who they've been apart from nor a long time, reunite, because until how reunite you can't move on in many ways in your country simple think diane's story is a little bit different but a twist on that same theme, having years and years apart and not being able to communicate in a real way and
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having to sort of separate, and i think diane, i would ask you to tell a little bit about that separation for you and what it did for you and your insides and then how you came back around. >> right. well, yeah, it's very difficult to -- when i went through that, that separation from your folks, because -- like i said, my family unit had died that day. and for you, it's like a death. but no one treats is at that -- as that because your parents are alive but you have to move on. either mover on or go back. chose to move on and stay here and continue my life in the states. move in the way that -- i figured out
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all i knew was that i needed my education and this is what in parents taught me, you node your education and if you work really hard then you'll make something out of yourself, that is what's believed as a kid, growing up in the states. this is where i could do that. i knew that i could do this hern and i could be resourceful, and if is was savvy enough and determined enough that something could happen. i could make something happen. but what i guess irealize atcoul that's age was what the relationship was going to be with my folks if thought we'd figure that out, too. but what i didn't realize was the huge strain it had on us and what it had on our emotional life and our psychological --
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the psychological impact on me. wanted to talk in the book belt the strained relationships and the effects it has on a financially to be -- family to be separated like that. no one talks about the psychological and emotional damage because no one sees this as really -- when you hear it on the news and hear politicians talk about it you never hear it as human issue. it's all political. but it's important to realize these are real people and real family are and that are real effects, and i was lucky enough to sort of come back from that. but like i was in a very deep hole for a very long time. i didn't speak to my parents or didn't see them for maybe eight years because the pain was -- it was too much. didn't know how to handle it. i would go back to colombia and visit them and i didn't know what to do because i was growing
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and they were growing and i figured, those are my parents, they stay the same, but you know, they grow, too. they change.me, but th and -- >> your measure just didn't geoff up. she kept calling and calling and callingy and you like a teenager said, i'm not going to deal with you. >> there was a point i didn't know how to handle it so i had to separate myself, and i feel like sometimes in a way that sort of gave me legs to continue. i did the best i could. i didn't know how to -- i always look at you, yeah, yeah, get it. i didn't really know how to be an adult and handle things correctly. so i just did the best i could, and sometimes shutting down was the only way i could move forward. and i think the way that -- it took me 14, a -- just until a few years ago, my family
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relationship -- and still -- i have to work at it ever ever day. my mother was pissed at me yesterday for something. for me not being responsive enough or not showing her the kind of emotion she wanted from me. so it is work every day, and sometimes we -- i think that it's the only thing -- yeah, being apart but it's the relationship that was so strained and that i wish i could get back. but you have to do the best you can. we talked about technology and how sort of that been a part of -- hat -- has played a huge part in us reconnecting and my work with immigration reform has helped my mind and heart sort of heal so i could accept my life and accept our relationship the way it is and just love it for what it is, and continue that way, and just, like, you got just adjust to whatever life has guff you and try to make the
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best out of that that and what i tried to do with this work and i sort of have done this. obviously so i could help others and shares with others and also to help me and my family because we needed something. i needed -- like, in my fashion i go a big or go home so i had to do this so i could try to salvage the real estate relationship with my parents. needed to open my heart to this work so i do -- >> actually you also needed to repair those relationships that zoom until you could good on with your life in a productive way. >> yeah.ls >> itself was a big deal when you went to see your mom and repair that relation show after so long. >> uh-huh. and it's -- like i said it's repairing every day.es she was really mad at me after this.al wow, map, serious?
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>> i wanted you to talk a little bit about becoming an actressd t and if you thought that the sort of grit and perseverance you needed to get through the years without your parents had then helped you become an actress, that you were willing to stick it out through a lot of auditions that didn't work out or long times between work. >> yeah. this kind of work is very up and down. i still -- like after day i gate call, i'm trying to figure out my life and what my next move is because it's gig by gig. it's not a sure thing. this boston is not a sure thing. i knew that. the reason wife i didn't want to take the chance in the beginning, what i was scared of was because i didn't have thatha foundation or that base that i know that you need to pursue
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anything. you need that support from your family members. i think you're right. feel like at the time that it decided to pursue what i really wanted to do, i really had to say -- ijtihad to say, as if. i've already been through so much. what people are going say, no, no to? whatever. like say no to me. i've already been through so much. already lost my parents, already lost the one thing that meant to world to me. so, i felt like it totally just prepared me for the amount of rejection that i got, and you just -- i grew up. grew up.io but, yeah, i think that everything that it went through in high school and after that, everything -- like going to college was a huge mark for me. don't know how it happened and still don't know. but doing that and then, like, doing the things i got to do and
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having the support in my community i got, don't know how it happened but i know that i was in need and i needed to be resourceful. i needed to be ring suspectful. needed to -- when i say respectful issue mean keep my place, be grateful to others helping me and that all served me. it's all served me if don't think you need to go through something like this to carry that with you, being re sourceful and being respectful -- what the other r? i use another r. i'll remember -- what?i le you got it. resilience. that's a good one. resilience. i'm like, have what the other one i do all the time? resilient. knew i had to do those so it >> yly has served me. >> so, during -- from the time that your parents left to fairly
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recently, actually, the fact that your parents were -- had p undocumented and been dedeported you kept a complete secret, even people who were close testimony wonder what the transition was like, sort of suddenly bearing all of -- baring all of this. >> well issue think that -- for a long time i feel like my immediate friends knew -- the kid grew up with new -- some of them knew what happened to me. and i don't know. sometimes i felt like it held me back. i knew -- first of all i'm a very happy person, a very outgoing person, so i felt like if i ever told the story people would locket me differently. was ashamed also in this culture, you're taught sort of
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or -- from the images you see on tv or the sort of rhetoric you hear, from people, it's just like if you're an immigrant, you're a bad person. if you deported you are failure. so i was ashamed and i didn'tou want to share that and didn't want people to look at me differently. and then once things started escalating, like the topic started coming up more and more and it's come up -- now, obviously more than ever, which i why was compelled to talk about it. but it was, like, an explosion when -- i would hear somebody talk about and it i would want to say something to -- or say something really bold and peel -- people would be like, i where did that come from? and i'm like, no, nothing. i didn't know you're passionate about it. my god, immigration? nation of immigrant inside nolie biggy. and so when i basically shared
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that with people and the way i did, i felt that the response was very -- it was cool. it was really open and people were accepting, and i learned that day that if you just -- there's no shame in your story. there's no shame where you come from, who you are. and you need to use that. so, if you find yourself in a place where 'er unhappy -- up happy with the current system or something its not like and yaw wake up and say i'd knock into the raids happening right now there should be a path for citizenship. adopt really understand the immigration system.pp doesn't seem -- seems a little foggy. feel like the majority of this people don't really understand it. and then you decide to be a part of a solution or trying to find a solution, and then that -- so i felt like it was just worth it
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to share my story at that point. >> there are lot of things going on in immigration right now, and one of the things i -- we discuss earlier was i felt thati social media has really changed immigration in this country.reay if you think back 100 years ago people came to the united states and they got off the boat and that was it. they didn't talk to their family except through letters and those letters took a long time get hearing and back. today the new immigrants i speak with, the refugee who left iraqq or have left any country, are still so connected through facebook, and twitter, and texting and -- it's really free to be in touch with your friends.'s so, they never -- in awould it's
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a wonderful comfort for them to be able to talk to their relatives. i talked to a syrian family who the mother is left behind in turkey with one of the children, and the rest of the family is here, and they skype at dinner every night so they have dinner together over skype. but they can't unite. which is a wonderful thing in one sense. in another way, it can be horribly debilitating because you can never really leavure country behind. for instance, i would -- i profiled a iraqi girl who left her parents in baghdad, and for the first year and a half she was here, she was constantly facebook messaging them. dozens of times every day. faceb she has finally broken off with him but that sense i can't
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really go on with my life here. so it's a wonderful thing to have to be able to in the touch with your parents so quickly, but it's also a detriment in -- you were talking about how you always feel that there's a -- that people feel you should drop everything when they call. >> yeah. you certainly -- the way our culture -- some our cultures>> are, the family is everything. our parents are everything. in and you have this responsibility, especially if you have this opportunity, this great opportunity to be here in the united states, to sort of provide or to be attentive and to be there. i were that bug bit me because i don't want to talk to anybody. that wasn't funny. but if i skype with my mom during dinner every night she
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would, like, love it. unfortunately i'm way too american for that. i'm like, i'm going to watch tv. but now there has to be a balance. right? i still feel that responsibility. i wake up screaming sometimes. ah! much on my mind and i want to do so much for my family, but there's just -- there has to be a moment where you balance and say, okay, have to live for me do what i have to do and take care of myself in order to help others.ha and i did that sort of along my journey in different ways. i didn't have a balance. so i just shut people out and said i'm going to go after my dreams, and -- i'm not going to let anyone stop me, including m family. but of course that didn't make my happy. made me incredibly depressed so you have to find a balance.re another thing about technology
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how easy it is to sharee information. and information like what isar going on in the world or what kind of movements we want ormo what kind of -- what is troubling our society and things like that and we can share information so much faster and that's a good thing, think. especially for the latinoo community who i think now is fitting most of their information -- their news online. there's a lot more people that can have an opinion. a lot more people that can write articles. who are just using their voices. so, in that sense, i think it's really good. >> would you just talk -- come full circle and talk a little built about where you see immigration reform going and what your hope is for the future. obviously there's some -- a vast difference of opinion among the
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presidential candidates so maybe you could just talk about how you think we could get how to this. >> sure. well, think obviously having this conversation right now is a step forward. i think that we need to have -- well, first and more most issue think in my opinion we need immigration reform along with the groups i'm working with. we need immigration reform. welcome the immigration systemio is outdated. a lot of people are affectedim every year, every day, and nothing is being done and we have had this system for a very long time.ay the visa system is outdated and of course the way we handle family separation is not a good thing. i feel like there are a lot more people getting involved and actually talking about this issue.
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i think that is still -- i still think a lot of people don't know what we're dealing with. i don't know where the future of immigration reform is going. don't see it happening. wish it could happen sometime soon. i wish deportations would stop. wish we could have a friendly -- friendlier conversation aboutnd what immigrants mean to this country and i hope we can change the culture in which we talk about immigration and undocumented people and see all the contributions the immigrant communities make. feel there needs to be a clear and fair path to citizenship and i feel like the people that are here already deserve to contribute to this country legally. i don't think any -- i don't think any immigrant or undocumented family i have ever talked to is here saying i don't want any documents. don't want to become a citizen.
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i feel like everyone who i talk to, and i know it from first hand because i know how much my parents love this country. know how hard they fought to find a path to become citizens to become documented. so, there needs to be more talk about reform and less talk about division and kicking out and building walls and all this thing. again, i'm not advocating for people to come over, and i thini that it's silly to think that everyone in the world wants to be here because that's not true. i think there needs to be some sort of -- just a machine for the people who are already here and who have made lives here. >> i think we can have some questions now if we want -- if people want to ask. there's a microphone and i ask
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that you good to that. >> just run up there. [inaudible question] -- heard by everyone. >> hi. so, my question is kind of about your experience because you are in such a -- on tv shows, and a lot to say and has done a lot for women's television in some ways orange is the new black, telling them about choice. so great platforms and i know there was a whole story line about been undocumented citizens. i was wondering if you had any
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input on that and if you have any input on the show you might be facing similar situations in prison, for "orange is the new black. ." >> well, thank you so much. and first i'm so proud to be on both -- on two shows that are so social and who comment on what is happening socially. i think that's why we have come to love both shows so much because they sort of share what is really happening in the world and sharing stories that we have -- haven't really heard.ar when i said about change thing culture, foal like television shows and keratin -- entertainment have a responsibility to bring forward the issues so we can talk about them. think that's why it's such a huge deal when "jane a very had had the store line and then type
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in hash tag immigration reform. a tiny.# thing and a quick mention and it reached so many people. you see the power of what shows like this have and the huge responsibility that news the entertainment system -- not system-sorry -- industry, in the entertainment industry have to use our platform to raise these issues so we can talk about them so we can get involved and so that we can know the power of our voices and the power of our actions and participation. i hope that more shows can take a look at shows luke "orange is the new black" and "jane" and take from that. think we're doing it slowly buto it's certainly being part of the shows motivatedded me to be more active and made me feel like i had a voice, too, and how i should use it.
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being around so many women who care about so many things and actually doing something about it. even the smallest way by just typing something that you care about or going bo -- working with an organization and lending your time or trying to motivate others to fight for something to fight for something they believe in i think is really cool. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> el low, i'm alfredo. i'm a little star struck., i just finished watching the third season of "orange is the new black," and i am lookingford to the fourth season. so i'm grad to be here in front of you and i just purchased your book, too, so i can't wait to read it. >> thank you. >> way don't go back to your personal story. parents were deported. that means everything and to
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come home and not see your parents, i can't imagine that. were there in systems in place to support you or that you were aware of any support that you may have chose not to access that support? >> yeah. no. y there were none. when the whole thing happened and i talk about this all the time -- with waited. waited to see if someone wouldis come or i would get a call or even in school, no one ever came and it was sort of -- i mean is sure as hell didn't -- i didn't want to go -- i was afraid. so i didn't go the police. i didn't contact anybody to say, i'm here by myself. i sort of just -- we sort over made the decision i would stay with friends. but i didn't know of any programs. i didn't know of any organizations that could help me. and i think that part of me getting involved like this and writing this book and sitting here with you is because i'mg trying to reach those who are
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going through the same thing or know one who is going through the same thing, a child left behind, to sort of motivate them to tell them -- there are organizations out there and there are websites out there and there's literature you can read and educated yourself itch thine that -- i talk about how that is sort of one of the things i am sad that we were so scared and we were living in such fear we didn't go out there and educate ourselves what are or options and rights were and what we could do and who we can seek for help. so, i think right now i'm doing my best to express that and to say there are places out there that you can go. to there are organizations out the that are willing to help and educate you and should receive shoo definitely take advantage of it so you're not staying at home in fear. you're trying to help your situation and help your family
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out. like programs with daca. >> one horrifying moment in the book is the fact that i.c.e. came in and took her parents and never thought or never then followed up and said, there's child living in this house so what going to happen to that child? so they just took the parentsid and left. so, if you think about a family that is not as resourceful asnk you and your -- i mean, your parents made sure there was somebody there even from prison, made sure there was somebody there for her, but the decide that the federal government would basically take anut eight-year-old's parents away and then not follow through to make sure that eight-year-old has foster care or.o >> the system failed you. failed her. wanted to just congratulate you on being resilient.
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you reflect a lot on the latino immigrants in baltimore i work with and proud to call my family and friend. >> much has greatsas. thank you. >> i work for an immigrant resourcer in here in baltimore and i want to thank you because we rely a lot on the ilrcs resources. the red cards in december during the deportation priorities, and as a person that work wiz immigrants and particularly immigration law, i was curious -- a little -- have youi tried going through the process of petitioning for your parents to come back are or your parents interested in coming back, and if you're in the process of doing that, how much of a
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headache has it been and can you speak nor? you meninged in your book what a headache that process is for all the people that say, get inat line, do it correctly, how long it takes, because i don't think lot of people are that aware of how much it is. >> well, first i have to say, -- i feel look we're all a little bit of family. we're so close, i know. i have to say that, yes, they want to come back and i want them back, and right now i'm going through that process, and it is very, very difficult. i mean, the amount of paperwork that is in it and they have to remember all the dates and it's rick, and, yes, we want to -- i want them to -- i just want them to be able to visit. i think that's my goal. don't even -- my expectations
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are pretty low but even that is really difficult.. it is really hard but i am trying. don't think i'll ever stopic trying because i love them and i want them to see me grow and i want them to see my family when i -- when that happens. but it's happening. every day i miss my mother and i want to go to home goods with her go to the grocery store, things like that, and i can go m and do that when i go to colombia but it's not the same to know she necessary my home, c she is in this country, in my country. which i also consider her a part of still. so it is very difficult. the process, and thank god for the immigration legal resource center who i volunteer with.ro they have been so helpful and organizations like that just provide -- like your organization provides all the informant i need so that i don't
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do any mistakes and any mistakes -- missteps because anyone will tell you that has been through the process, any single mistake can just -- you'll have to start from the beginning and whatever that beginning is, and there are so many road blocks. there is no clear path and there is no back of the line. so thank you. >> thank you so much. >> thank you for coming here today. i'm a teacher in the city, baltimore city college. see some city alum and city teachers and i'm analysis a -- or student organization, stunt -- she is one of them -- so, what i wanted to hear about was how could the school system have better supported you? what do you think schools should be doing? this is happening in our communities and our students are
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being affected. what this role that you see in schools in this and how can we be there for our students? joel well, when i was greg -- growing up i had no sort of education when it came to immigration and our immigration system, and just learning about it, i think, or having it be part of the curriculum would be help. think new programs nod to be in place, like the program that you were talking about earlier, which is they -- i don't know -- reunification. >> criminal almost i think are so helpful. i think having an open conversation about it and teaching your students and when changing the language and the culture, it's knowing that no person no one person is it illegal.
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that we need to change that type of language and also know that immigrants and even people here who are daunted make up part of what america is and so stories like mind that many people share, sharing those and being open about storieslight -- stores like this and knowing that part of our american story, that just because my parents were undocumented, just because i was -- am the daughter of undocumented team are people-doesn't make my less american than anyone else. so -- have more conversation and involving people so that theybe could be more civically engaged. the importance of voting, the importance of participating and being active in your community so we're electing officials who are going meet our needs and
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don't slat as our needs as a latino community from everywhere, from syria, from iraq -- all of us. but also american citizens because it's important for the entire country for this issue to be addressed for immigration reform for the entire country. >> i think it's interesting what i have seen as an education reporter that more and more -- the last four val ricker tons have been immigrants and if youo look at the top of the class in many high schools across the state, they're immigrants. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> so teach those kiddies. thank you. >> my name is jasmin and i am -- >> i love it. >> my question is, as a young latina activist i want to know
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what advice would you give to young latino activists like myself. >> well, one thing i have to remind myself every day is that never to give up. i know it sounds cheesy but a you have no know your work matters and your effort matters and i think that in order to be part over the solution we can't stop and we need to continue the work, even though we get so disappointed so much. i you see dapa being held up in the courts and that's frustrating for all of us. we can continue motivating, sharing information, continue to be empathetic, and know that if we give up, that the same as, like, 100 people giving up. think about obstructionist,
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obstructing any bill for immigration reform or any other bill where people have fought so hard to help paths, and only a few people have made enough noise to say no, we don't want this and those few people are speaking for the entire country, and that happens from lack of participation and lack of motivation and endurance. i say we have to keep at it, and never stop because imagine if we all use our voices, and if we all continue to be part of this movement or any movement, imagine all that we can get done and all that we can do. >> thank you.in >> thank you. >> good evening. my name is nancy. you're really beautiful. >> thank you so much. i put on some lipstick for you.
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>> i actually have three questions. >> go ahead. >> first question is, since we're in an elects year i'd like too know if your supporting anye candidate. in second question -- >> trump. i'm kidding. oh, my gosh, i shouldn't say that in jest. >> second question is, are you passionate dish know you're very passionate about immigration but are you passionate about any other social issues or women's issues? i'd like to know. and the third question would be what are your favorite shows. i'm a "game of thrones" fan and i want to know if you watch it. >> i'm getting to "game of thrones." it's on my queue. started year ago and then had to do something itch just got distracted. i have add so i'm like -- so the first question is, right now the work i'm doing is just to make sure that people are voting and
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that people are participating. i'm not dish don't think i want to not -- not like anybody cares what i say but i'm not yet sure and -- well, am sure but i'm not going to say who i'm voting for. i'm going to keep that private until i can just blast it. vote for this person. right now my role that it picked up in the beginning was just that i'm going to focus on participation and getting people civically engaged and that the most important.io vote whatever you're going to vote, vote for anyone but trump -- but -- but vote for someone and get involved. and then second question, are you passionate about any other -- >> i'm passionate about everything, girl. i'm passionate about so many things. i'm a feminist, a humanist, i love animals. the other day i was bug ought about the sharks.
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and overfishing. right now i'm passionate about the criminalization of our people and trying to put a stop to that. i hate guns. so many things i want to get involved in and all these causes that i care about, and in the future i hope to participate more. think right now i'm starting with immigration but i like to live in a way where i think everything is -- thinking about intersectionallity and knowing that one thing isn't separate from another. so, my lgbt brothers and sisters, their woes are my woes and hope my woes are theirs. like to think of it like that.a and -- your third question is -- well, right now, i am watching -- well, i just finished "vinyl." but i am watching "house ofho
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cards," "orange this new black" and i'm going to get into sew i so i o'span knows "next and because of netflix, you better netflix -- you better show up -- now you can watch all sorts of stuff yoenised and i live binging and watching things at once.alrt thank you. >> hi, how are you? >> i'm well, thanks. >> i just want to start by saying your tap pa is giving me a lot of life. i'm going to go toe hair soon and request that. it's going to be a lot of hair but i'm ready and able.m >> get your life, this is all my life right now. >> i appreciate everything that you're doing and telling your story and i loved it. so interesting and it's really cool to see you here watch watching you on "orange is thehe
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new block" and also "jane the virgin. "i have a serious question. was voluming through your instagram feed and i noticed you posted a picture of mar remember easterly when i asked myen i a boyfriend who is favorite show was sailor earth -- there's no sailor argentina but -- sailor earth but if you could be any sailor scout, who is your favorite sailor scout in general. >> well, so, now i guess the cat is out of the bag. i'm binging sailor moon right now. o i'm wondering, why did i love -- i love this show when i was ad and and i get annoyed when she turns turns into sailor moon because it takes 30 second. >> it's worth it. >> i'm going through every ensed. the relationship that sailor
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moon has with tux seed mow mask, it's my -- >> really. >> relationship was hash tag. so, i think i would be -- the thing is i posted mars but then i was watching and she is so angry. think i'd have to be a mixed dish think my -- i think i'm sailor moon. i got to say, just looking at her personality traits, i think i'm sailor moon. >> i'm actually sailor moon so that's not get to to work out. can be sailor mercury in the background -- >> no: no. no. sailor moon. woe we can both be sailor moon. >> we can't but thank you. >> hello, injury hi. i don't have any questions just like to make two statements. once a week i tutor as part of
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an reason'll independent the public stated school, constituents, hispanic students who are behind in reading and i'm work if jesus and the thing hat impressed me most is the strength of the family unit. there's not a whole lot there, and they're poor no doubt, very little english is spoken at homecoming yet opts a week i gate back out of the library and give him, to at it in at home and he comes black has worked withly mothers and she has done much bet. just the carrying of the father and mother and strength of the family is impressive and heat going to be okay. think that. the second thing you wouldn't say anything but i will. i'm a republican anden imembarrassed every day by my party's nominee. i'm mortified. >> i hear you, and hospital i, i'm willing -- i think it's important to acknowledge that not all republicans agree withk donald trump and his policies
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and i know that. if you look at years, a long, long time ago, there were some, like, cool republicans, abrahame lincoln was a republican and was cool. but i understand you and i actually -- that's opinion and thank you so much for being here and listening to me. nome i'm sure we disagree on some things but i'm sure we can have a conversation. i think -- in general, i think americans want immigration reform and they want to see a functioning immigration system. that's the most important thing. a functioning immigration system which right now we don't have. thank you, sir. >> hi. i have a question but i guess t i'll just start with -- i wanted to say thank you for bringing up the fact in your book that when you are undocumented, you're still paying taxes and a lot of talk isn't necessarily put out
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there about the fact that you're done documented and working but still paying into social security system and never going get to anything back. if ims are putting all at the mo there were again, the systemre would have billions out of that it wouldn't necessarily be there, and i think that's really important in knowing that my important parents are in their similar situation. >> don't say your last name -- just kidding. >> i questions i want to say thank you regarding that. feel like even with our stories, they're so similar with eventually my parents having to leave as well. but i know how hard it for you to get up there. >> i know how hard it is for you, too, and thank you for being here. are you okay? >> my question is, if you have any insight as to, like, why
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daka passed but obama is he many person that supported so men people. it's like an oxymoron and i don't get it. >> i hear you. hear you, and why you would be upset about that. are you okay? can i hug you? that's weird, right? >> no. >> i'm going to sit down, too. that's weird. never do that. i'm not like that. all right. i feel you, girl. and sometimes i get -- i wonder why and i get asked that question a lot, and i think that the only way to think about it is that our president and any president, even though they do have power, they -- it's all a team, right? congress has to be on the same side, the house has to be on the same side the senate has to be on the same side, and i don't agree with it.
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it sucks. it downtown right sucks the has deported a lot of our families and -- but it's not just him. i think that he did try to pass a bill years ago that wasn't -- that was stopped by the house, and that was really bad for all of us, and for ultimately the administration having to make those really tough decisions. i think that we have to just keep on -- we have to hold -- we absolutely have to hold our -- the people who we elect in office accountable. and we just have to keep an eye on -- that's why participation it so important. why you being here is so important. why your emotion right now, what your feel is is so important because we can turn that into action. i don't have all the answers and i'm sure president obama doesn't have all the answers either and
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i'm sure it's just -- it's a really difficult thing and that's why it's so, so important that immigration reform is in a forefront. whoever we elect, we express how important that is for all of anr is not just people -- well, definitely us going through this situation, so kids of daunted folks, and -- undocumented effects and kid inside undocumented communities and also american citizens and people who are maybe not necessarily so close to the issue. i'm sorry. know what you're feeling, girl. get it. that why you have to be involved more than ever. >> hi. my parents are immigrants dirk jolt a? >> are immigrants. but they repatriateoted volunteerly and that took a lot of years of grieving without me knowing it. but i just want to ask you about the milestones in your journey
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and just reconciling your relationship. think conceptually with your parents, the responsibility is there and you're being biculture and the privilege you have they didn't have and how you're creative work influenced maybe the ways you reconciled who you are in light of your parents' situation and i'd -- identity and all that stuff. >> it's a battle every day. sometimes look at myself and i'm -- i -- the title of my book is, my family divide it, but in a lot of ways it's me divided. right? my life divided. and it's been a lot of struggles figuring out who i am and who i want to be, and am i -- aim latino woman? am i an american? who -- where do i belong? i think i just, by accepting my
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story, accepting sort of what happened to us and accepting not in the way -- it's like i'm totally cool with it. no. accepting like knowing it happened, accepting -- taking it in and now -- and take something action. i'm always going to have the colombian culture me and american culture i got from live hearing. i'm an american all the time and a lat tina all the time. so there's no separation. i think that we need to continue to tell ourselves that, that there's no separation and you're asian-american or whatever it is. you're that all the time and that is part of this culture. that's part of america. what america is, and you're no less than anyone else.th
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and that's the way you're going to be, by accepting yours you're going to be able to help others and help build this country to full its potential or to make it the best it can be.full i guess i would say that. >> if i can ask a followup. >> good ahead. >> it's -- amy tan spoke to me as an immigrant daughter, chinese immigrant. have you done any other work t that spoke to -- that really informed the way that you --ure role as a daughter, your experience that you connected with a lo -- that are lot more robe. >> an experience -- >> just work, books, movies, that really kind of you related to. >> oh, that spoke to me.
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i love the work that rosario dawson is doing right now. look up to her. she is a fellow -- she is part of this movement with me and work is with both the latino and her work over the years with civic engagement and participation has been wonderful and she's been so outspoken and very bold and i think that i've seen a lot of her work and i've been inspired, and there's -- there's so many. i honestly get-diget articles from students who are studying to be immigration lawyers or just lawyers or people who are just working to make a difference, and i'm so inspired by them. so i would say that. thank you so much. >> obviously we have heard a lot of stories tonight from someot people in the yawed audience. what story -- what should the
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next being story be that covers some of these topics we talked about tonight?fo >> i think every -- the next shows should absolutely always cover social issues and some of the things that we're going through, and i mean what we are doing -- the work we're doing should be reflecting our current society and always. the next show should be maybe my story. who knows. i want -- i want to create something so that i could inform the public about what is going on, say what want to say and involve that offering that i care about, and offering that we create should always have that in essence at its core. want to say something. want to change something. so i think every show shouldg, strive for that. whether it's comedy or drama or
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whatever, should always are always comment on what is hang. that's what art is, right? the best art. thank you. >> thank you so much, diane, and liz, for a very stimulating and informative conversation. thank you all are also to the audience for your participation. the book shop is here and then diane will be signing copies of her book at this desk back here. thank you again. [applause] [inaudible conversations]
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jukes watch book of the every sunday, 3:00 p.m. eastern time leading top the election for a different campaign issue. this week you saw two authors discuss differing opinions of view on the issue of immigration and next week our focus will be on foreign policy. >> i think the trend has been clearly in the wrong direction, on both sides. the congress has not been assuming its responsibilities, which has forced at least this president to do more things by executive order that -- there's no question that they should have come together and passed immigration reform legislation. and -- [applause] >> and they weren't that far apart. and yet, the president and this congress, the congress, would not sit down and talk it through. so, in the book, i emphasize
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that it doesn't take but to change this -- doesn't take but one thing. one person that is willing to be a leader and step up. whether it's congressman or senator paul ryan has the potential to do that kind of thing as a speaker imhave a lot of faith in him. or a president. that says, i work all the time with bill clinton. we didn't agree philosophically. he was a character. but we talked. and a lot of time is didn't want to talk. he called one night at 2:00 in the morning. phone is on trisha's side of the bed. she picks up the phoned, says it's the president. and i start saying, yes, sir, mr. president. we'll look into that. yes, sir. all right. yes, sir, and i hung up. and i handed the phone back. she says what he want? i said, i don't know. something about central america. but here's the point. we talked all the time.
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publish we worked through all kinds of things. budget issues, tax issues, defense issues, safe drinking water, portability of insurance, you name it. did we agree? no and a lot of times he pressed -- we pressed each other. we'd get mad but communicated. that was true whiff reagan when i was whip in the house we met with president reagan just about every tuesday morning that congress was in session, and at 9:00. sometimes it was bipartisan, sometimes ju republicans. so, this trend of not communicating has just -- is a recent phenomenon. started developing with george w., even though he tried very hard to get immigration reform. by the way, say to mississippians, immigration is one over the big issues in the campaign. admit it. with we would have didn't what would sheave dawn in 2008 we wouldn't be here now and immigration reform is not just about illegal immigrants. it's about legal immigrants. we got people that want to come into america that have something to offer can't get here.
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one time i had two doctors from canada that wanted to come to pick -- pick kuhn, mississippi. you would have thought i was trying sneak inned saddam. saw it bush, and now this president and this congress don't talk. the deficit worries me. more than ever. now i worry about my grandchild. it's about the next generation. this is a bugger here and congress and the president are not dealing with it. so the next president, all hillary would have to do if she the role to a degree of president bill clinton. because he dead meet with us and did talk with i us. of it it's trump-somebody, some of us, have got to reach out and
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say-mr. president, you say you're going to change washington? the first thing you need to do is to begin to communicate. there are four things you need to make washington work. number one is communication. if you depressant talk, you ain't going to get nothing done. real simple. clinton made by nervous but we had a relationship. it was a chemistry that made it possible for us to turn that into action ofhe other being we lost is inhib base. what are we for anymore? run order democrat. do we really know? do we know what either side would actually do if there is a majority in the congress and have the white house? and last but not least, i've seep it, leadership. one man. or one woman. that will face the -- you know, that slings and arrows of the media and say, we're going to
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develop an energy policy in america. have all of the above. we're going to do it. so, it could change on a dime but it's going to talk a person of strength because i've seep it. washington is a tough place. i rode the high road and got knocked down into the valley, but the best thing about being in the valley is you learn when you get back up how to do things better. so it can change. i don't see it right now. i don't see it with mitch mcconnell. i don't see if with nancy pelosi. see hope in paul ryan. i don't know what to expect from chuck schumer, who will probably be the senate democratic leader. she is smarter than reid, he is every bit as partisan harry reid but there's one difference. he is transactional.

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