tv Vice Presidential Nominees Meet for Debate at Longwood University CSPAN October 4, 2016 9:00pm-10:31pm EDT
thank you and good night. [applause] >> c-span, created by american cable television companies about you as a public service from your cable or satellite provider. >> we will take you life from farmville company virginia, longbilled university the side of the vice presidential debate in the 2016 campaign between senator tim kaine and republican candidate, indiana governor, mike pence. tonight's moderator is elaine quijano of cbs news.
university in farmville, virginia. welcome to the first and only vice presidential debate of 2016. sponsored 2016. sponsored by the commission presidential debate. i am elaine quijano, correspondent for cbs news. it's an honor to moderate the debate between senator tim kaine and governor mike pence. both are longtime public servants are proud fathers of sun serving in the u.s. marines. the campaign agreed to the rules. there will be nine different segments covering domestic and foreign policy issues. each segment will begin with a question of both candidates they will each have two minutes to answer. then i will ask follow-up question to facilitate a discussion between the candidates. by coin toss is been that senator kane will be first to answer the opening question. we have an enthusiastic audience tonight. they have agreed to only express that enthusiasm at once once at the end of the debate. and right now as we welcome governor mike pence, and senator tim kaine. [applause]
>> moderator: gentlemen welcome it is a privilege to be with you tonight. i would like to do start with the topic of presidential leadership. 28 years ago, tomorrow ago, tomorrow night lloyd benson said, the vice presidential debate was not about the qualifications for the vice presidency but about how, if treasury should occur the vice president has to step in without any margin prayer, without time for preparation to take over the responsibility for the biggest job in the world. what about your qualities, your skills, and your temperament equip you to step into that role at a moments notice? senator king?
>> kaine: thank you for being here tonight. it is is so great to be back here. it is a very special place. sixty-five years ago, a young, courageous woman, barbara johns led a walkout of her high school , she made history by protesting school segregation. she believed our nation was stronger together, and that walkout led to the brown versus the board of education decision that moved us on the path toward equality. i'm so proud to be running with another strong, history making woman, hillary clinton to be president of the united states. i'm proud because her vision of stronger together, building an economy that works for all, not just those at the top, being safe in the world, not only with a strong military but also strong alliances to battle terrorism and climate change. also to build a community of respect it just like our bridge
on strategy 65 years ago. that's why am proud to be heard running mate. hillary tell me why she wanted me to be her running mate. she said the test of the clinton administration will not be the signing of the bill or passage of a bill. it will be whether we can make somebody's life better. whether we can make a classroom better learning environment first kids are teachers. is going to be about results. she said to me, you you better missionary and civil rights lawyer, a city councilman amir, a lieutenant governor governor and a u.s. senator. i think you'll help me figure out how to govern this nation so we always keep in mind the success of this administration is the difference we make in people's lives. that's what i bring to the ticket. that experience having served at all levels of government. my primary role is to be hillary clinton's right hand person a strong supporter she puts together the most historic administration possible. i relish that role, so proud of her. images say this, we trust hillary clinton, we trust trust hillary clinton, we trust her with the most important thing in our life. we have a son deployed overseas
in the marine corps, we trust hillary clinton as president and commander-in-chief but the thought of donald trump as commander-in-chief scares us to death. >> moderator: governor pence. >> pence: thank you elaine and thank you for the school for letting us be here. i'm surrounded by my wonderful family and senator kane, to the honor to be here with you as well. i also want to say thanks to everybody who is looking in tonight. who understands what an enormously important time this is in the life of our nation. for the last seven and a half years we have seen america's place in the world weekend. we seen an an economy stifled by more taxes, more regulation, war on call and a fairlane healthcare reform known as obama care. the market people know we need to make a change. i want to thank you all for being with us tonight. also want to thank donald trump.
for making that call and inviting us to be part of this ticket. i have to tell you, i am a small-town boy and that's not too different from farmville. i grew up with a cornfield in my backyard. my grandfather had immigrated to this country when he was about my son's age. my parents had everything built everything they needed in a small town, good name, business, and they raised a family. i dream someday representing my hometown in washington, d.c. but honestly i never imagined i would be the opportunity to be governor of the state i would love it let alone the city netted table like this. so to answer question, i would say, i would hope that if the responsibility ever felt to me in this role, that i would meet it to in a way that i'm going to be the responsibility should i should i be elected vice president of the united states.
that is to bring a lifetime of experience. a lifetime growing up in a small town. a lifetime lifetime were observed in the congress of the united states. where i have led a state that works, the great state of indiana. and whatever responsibility is might follow from this. i would hope and pray to be able to meet that moment with that lifetime of experience. >> host: senator kane on the campaign trail you praise her service yet 60% of voters don't think hillary clinton is trustworthy. why do so many people distrust her. is it because they have questions about her e-mails and the clinton foundation? >> kaine: here's why i trust hillary clinton. and here's what people should look at. they have a passion in their life that showed up before it before they were in public life. have they held onto that passion throughout their life regardless of whether they were in office or not succeeding or failing? hillary clinton has that passion. from the time as a kid
in the method is used youth group in chicago she has been focused on serving others with us special focus on empowering families and kids. as a civil rights lawyer in the south with the children's defense fund, the first the first lady of arkansas in this country, secretary of state it has always been about putting others first. that's been a sharp contrast with donald trump. donald trump donald trump always puts himself trump. he built a business career in the words of one of his own campaign staffers, off the backs of his little guy. and as a candidate he started his campaign with a speech where he called mexicans rapists and criminals, yet he has pursued and discredited and really outrageous lie that president obama wasn't born at the united states. it's a painful to suggest that we go back and think about these days were an african-american cannot be a citizen of the united states. i can imagine how governor pence can defend the insult driven style of donald trump.
>> moderator: governor pence let me ask you you have said that donald trump is thoughtful, compassionate compassionate steady yet 67% of voters feel he is a risky choice. 65% think he does not have the right temperament to be president. why do so many americans think mr. trump is similar to a erratic? >> pence: let me say first inform us that senator, you and hillary clinton would know about an insult driven campaign. it really is remarkable. at a time when literally come in the wake of hillary clinton's tenure secretary of state, where she was the architect to the obama administration's foreign policy, we policy, we see entire portions of the world, particularly the middle east spinning out of control. in a situation where watching hour by hour in syria today is the result of the failed foreign policy in the week form policy that hillary clinton helped lead in this industry secrete. the newly emboldened aggression and russia whether it's in ukraine and the heavy-handed approach. >> kaine: you said.
>> moderator: i do want to get back. >> kaine: you praise putin as a great leader. >> moderator: we do have a common appear but in the meantime the questions is about the running mate. >> pence: at a time of great challenge in the life of this nation where we have weakened america's place in the world, stifles america's economy, the campaign of hillary clinton and tim kaine is an avalanche of insults. to get to your question about trustworthy, donald trump is built a business through hard times and good times. he has brought extraordinary business acumen, he has employed tens of thousands of people in this country. >> moderator: why the disconnect with your running it? >> pence: there's a reason people question the
trustworthiness of hillary clinton because they're paying attention. when she was secretary of state, come on. the on. the clinton foundation accepted contributions from foreign governments. >> kaine: let me talk about. >> pence: i think this is my time. >> kaine: isn't the said discussion. >> pence: let me interrupt you to finish my sentence if i can. the clinton foundation accepted for contributions from foreign governments it while she was secretary. >> kaine: governor pence doesn't think it's gone so good. when hillary clinton became secretary of state do you know osama bin laden was alive? that we had 175,000 troops deployed in iraq and afghanistan? in iran was rushing toward a
nuclear weapon. under secretary clinton's leadership she was part of the national team, public safety team that went after and revive the dormant hunt against bin laden and wiped them off the face of the earth. she worked a deal with the russians to reduce their chemical weapons stockpile. she worked a tough negotiation with nations around the world to eliminate the iranian nuclear weapons program. >> pence: to eliminate? spee-05 absolute without firing a shot and instead of 175,000 deployed overseas we have 15,000. >> pence: and iraq has been overrun by isis because hillary clinton failed to renegotiate the status of forces the. >> kaine: that is incorrect. >> pence: so we removed all our troops from iraq and isis-back. [inaudible] >> kaine: president bush said we would leave iraq at the end of 2011.
and iraq did not want our troops to stay and they would not give us the protection of our troops. guess what? if a nation where our troops are serving does not want us to stay, were not going to stay. >> pence: it was a failure of the secretary of state. >> moderator: next topic gentleman. there's a lot of people wondering about the economy. let's turn to the issue of the economy. according to the nonpartisan for responsible federal budget, neither responsible federal budget, neither of your economic plans will reduce the growing 19 trillion-dollar national debt. in fact, your plants would add even more to it. both of you were governors who balanced state budgets. are you concerned that adding more to the debt could be disastrous to the country question what governor country question governor pence? >> pence: i think the fact that under this past administration which hillary clinton was a part we have almost doubled the national debt and that's
atrocious. a part of the fact that i come from state that works. the state of indian has balanced budget. we taxes and made investments in education and infrastructure. i finish my term with 2,000,000,000 dollars in the bank. that's different from one senator came was governor of virginia. he tried to raise taxes by 4,000,000,000 dollars. he left his state about 2,000,000 dollars in the hole. the state of indiana we dollars in the hole. the state of indiana we cut unemployment in half and on appointment doubled when he was governor. i think is a very fitting running mate for clinton. in the wake of a season where american families are struggling in this economy under higher taxes and obama care, the war on coal the stifling avalanche of regulation coming out of the ministration. hillary clinton and tim kaine want more of the same. it really is remarkable. they're advocating 1,000,000,000,000 dollars in tax increases. you try to raise taxes in virginia and it was unsuccessful. but a trillion dollar and increases, more regulation and more the same war on coal. more. more of obama care.
even former president bill clinton calls it a crazy plan. but clint hillary clinton and tim kaine want to expand on it. and put it into a sinker single-payer program. look, donald trump and i have a plan a plan to get the economy moving. just the way it worked in the 1980s and in the 19 sixties. that is by lowering taxes across the board for working families, small businesses and family farms. and in the world coal that's hurting the economy. repealing obama care and repealing all of the executive orders that obama has signed better stifling economic growth. we can get america moving again, put on top of that the kind of trade deals they'll put the american worker first and you have a prescription for growth. when you get the economy growing that is when you can deal with the national debt. well we get back to 3.5 or 4% growth with donald trump's plan we will have the resources to
meet her nations need at home and abroad, and will have the ability to bring down the national debt. >> moderator: senator came. >> kaine: there's a fundamental choice for the american electorate. do you want a higher president or do you want your fired president donald trump. i think that's not her choice. hillary and i have a plan on the table that so your hired plan. five components. we invest in manufacturing and infrastructure and research in the clean energy jobs of tomorrow. second, we invest second, we invest in our workforce. paprika education two great teachers, to debt-free college and tuition free college for families make less than 125,000 per year. third we promote fairness by raising the minimum wage they can't work full-time and be under the poverty level and by paying women equal pay for equal work. for that we promote small business growth. to make it easier to start and grow small businesses we each grew up in small business families.
my dad is here tonight and fifth, we have attacks plan and the tax relief to middle-class individuals and small businesses. and ask those at the very top who benefit as we come out of the recession to pay more. the trump plan is a different plan, it's your fired. there's two elements to it. first donald trump said wages are too high in both donald trump and mike pence think we ought to eliminate the federal minimum wage. mike pence, when he was in congress voted against raising the minimum wage above $5.15. he has been a one-man bulwark against minimum wage increases in indiana. the second component of the plan is massive tax breaks for the very top. trillions of dollars of tax breaks for people just like donald trump. the problem is that is exactly what we did ten years ago and up at the economy into the deepest recession since the 19 thirties.
analysts say that clint plan would grow the economy by 10.5 million jobs and that trump plan would cost 3.5 million jobs. donald trumps tax plan helps him and if he ever met his promise and gave his tax returns to the american public like he said he would, we would see how much his economic plan is really a trump first plant. >> moderator: on that point, part of mr. trump's tax returns were released and said that he could've avoided paying income taxes for years. yesterday, mr. trump said he brilliantly used the loss to pay as little tax as legally possible. does that seem fair to? >> pence: first, let me say that i appreciate that your hired, your fired thing. senator, use that a lot and i think you're running mate used a lot of those lines. what you all just heard out there is more taxes, $2 trillion and more spending, more deficits, more debt, more
government. if you think that is all working then look at the other side of the table. the truth of of the matter is the policies of this administration, which hillary clinton and senator came want to continue has run the economy in the ditch. we are in the sense -- their billions the more living in poverty today than the day brock obama with hillary clinton at his side. >> honestly senator you can roll out the numbers in the sunny side but i have to tell you people in scranton no different. people in fort wayne, indiana no different. this economy struggling. economy struggling. the answer to this economy is not more taxes. it's not more. >> pence: i'm wondering if he's going to -- >> moderator: the question was whether it seems fair to that
mr. trump says he brilliantly use the law to pay as little tax as possible. >> pence: this is probably the difference between trump, and clinton and came. and god bless you for. career public servants that's great. donald trump is a businessman not a career politician. he built a business. the tax returns that came out publicly this week show that he faced some pretty tough times 20 years ago. but like virtually every of their business including the new york times, he has a net operating loss. operating loss. we have a tax code that actually is designed to encourage entrepreneurship. >> kaine: but why won't he release his returns? >> pence: but his tax return showed that he went through a very difficult time but he is the tax code just the way it's supposed to be used and he did it brilliantly. >> kaine: how do you know that? you haven't seen it before
because he's created a business that's worth billions of dollars. >> kaine: how do you know that? >> pence: this riff about not paying taxes and people's and he hasn't paid taxes for the years, donald trump has created tens of thousands of jobs for years. >> moderator: i'm going to give you about 30 seconds to respond. >> kaine: donald trump started the campaign 2014 acidify run for president i will release my taxes. he's he's broken his first promise. second, he stood on the stage last week and when hillary said you haven't been paying taxes he said that makes me smart. so it's smart not to pay for military, smart not to pay for veterans, it's smart not to pay for teachers, and i guess all of us who do pay for those things are stupid. in the are stupid. and the last thing i will say want to ask governor pence is a governor pence had to give
donald trump his tax returns to show he is qualified to be vice president. donald trump must give the american public his tax return to show that he's qualified to be president and he's a break in his promise. >> moderator: you get very little time 20 seconds. >> pence: donald trump has filed over 100 pages of financial disclosure which is what the law requires. >> pence: and he is going, he's going to release them. >> moderator: want to ask about personal security [inaudible] gentleman. the people at home cannot understand either one of you when you speak over each other. i would please please ask you to wait until the other is finished. on the issue of social security. in 18 years when the social security trust funds run out of money you'll be 76. the committee for a responsible federal budget estimates are benefit could be cut by as much
as $7500 per year. what would your administration do to prevent this cut? >> first we'll protect social security which is one of the greatest that they've ever done. it happened at a time when you use your whole life raising your kids working with the little league coach and then you would retire to property. social security has enable people to retire with dignity. we have to keep it solid. and we will. we will look for strategies like adjusting the payroll tax cap upward. here's what hillary and i will not to. and i want to make this very clear. we will never, ever, ever engage in a risky scheme to privatize social security. donald trump wrote a book and said social security is a ponzi schema privatization would be good for all of us. when congressman pence was in congress he was the chief cheerleader for the privatization of social security. even. even after president bush
stopped pushing for it. congressman pence kept pushing for. we are going to stand up against efforts to privatize social security and we look for ways to keep it solid going forward focusing on the tax-cut. >> moderator: governor pence you can respond. >> pence: thank you. there they go again. all donald trump and i have said about social security's we will leave art meet our obligations to our seniors. we said we are going to meet the application of medicare. that's what the campaign is about and this is the old scare tactic that they roll out. >> kaine: you have a voting record governor. >> pence: there's a question you asked. >> kaine: i can't believe you can't defend your own voting record. >> pence: you're running with hillary clinton wants to raise taxes by 1,000,000,000,000 dollars and increase spending by 2,000,000,000,000. you say you're going to keep the promises of social security. donald trump and i are going to cut taxes, we.
>> kaine: you're going to raise taxes on the middle class. >> pence: if you stay on the path your party has us on we will be in a mountain range of debt and will face hard choices. >> moderator: gentleman i want to move on now. >> kaine: what about the dump ask tax explosion on the trump plan is much larger. >> moderator: i want to move onto the issue of law enforcement and race relations. after the dallas police shooting, police chief said quote, we are asking cops to do too much in this country. every societal failure we put often the cops to sell. not enough health funding, not enough drug addiction funding, schools fail, let's give it to the cops. do we ask too much of police officers in this country? how would this country? how would you specifically address the chief's concerns. >> kaine: i think that is a fair comment. i think we put a lot on the shoulders of police.
and this is something i have experience on. i was the city council and mayor in richmond and we had one of the highest homicide rates in the united states. we fought very hard with our police department and we reduced our homicide rate in half. put ice governor of we worked hard to. we did something we wanted to do for the first time ever we cracked the top ten, the ten states because we work together. he is what i learned is america. the way you make community safer in the way you make police say
for is through community policing. you build the bonds between the community and the police force, build bonds of understanding and then when people feel comfortable in their communities, that gap between police and the community narrows and when it narrows it's safe for the communities and safer for the police. that model still works across our country but there some other models, and overly aggressive military model. donald trump recently said we need to do more stop and frisk around the country that would be a mistake because it polarizes the relationship between the police and the community. here's what we'll do, do, will focus on community policing, we'll focus on and hillary clinton as well and could have prevented the crime so we are going to do things like clothes that and we won't have the tragedy we did. one of those killed was a 70 plus-year-old romanian holocaust survivor who survived the holocaust then survived the
soviet union takeover of the country that was a visiting professor at virginia tech and could survive the gun violence. we can support the second amendment and do things like background checks that make us safer and make the police safer, too. >> >> pence: he was my hero growing up in when we grew up to visit my dad in chicago, my three brothers and i would marvel when he would come out in his uniform with his side and men and women, white and african, american, latino, hispanic they put their lives on the line every single day. let me say at the risk of agreeing with you, community policing is a good idea. it's worked in the hoosier state, and we fully support that.
donald trump and i will make sure law enforcement has the resources and tools to be able to restore law and order to the cities and communities. it's probably why the 330,000 members of the police endorsed donald trump as the next president because they see his commitment to them and to law and order. but they also fear the badmouthing that comes from people that seize upon tragedy in the wake of the police executions as a reason to use a broad brush to accus accuse law enforcement of implicit bias or institutional racism, and that has got to stop. when an african-american police officer in charlotte, an all-star football player who went to liberty university came home, followed his dad into law enforcement in 2014 and was
involved in the police action shooting that claimed the life of le monde scott it was a tragedy. we mourn with those who mourn and grieve with those who grieve. we are saddened. but hillary clinton referred to that as an example of implicit bias in the police force. when asked if he could go whether there was implicit bias in the law enforcement, her only answer was there a there's impls in anyone in the united states. kaine: we need to assure the public we are complete and transparent investigation when there's a loss of life because of police action but senator, please, enough of this seeking every opportunity to b be mean law-enforcement broadly every time tragedy kaine
kaine: if you are afraid to have a discussion no one will solve it. we will agree this is a heartbreaking example. the guy that was killed in st. paul was a valued worker in a local school and he was killed for no apparent reason that won't be discussed or investigated about when folks went and explored situation what they found is that they called him mr. rogers with dreadlocks. if he had been stopped by the police 40 or 50 times before that incident, and if you look at his sentencing in this country come african-americans and latinos get sentenced for the same crimes in different rates. but i just want to say we
shouldn't be able to bring up and talk about the system -- >> pence: why would hillary clinton accused that -- >> moderator: your fellow republican governor who is african-american recently spoke on the senate floor and said he was stopped seven times by law enforcement in one year and said i felt the anger and frustration and the humiliation that comes with feeling like you were being targeted for nothing more than being just ourselves. what would you say about his experience? >> pence: i have the deepest respect for him and i would say
we need to adopt criminal justice reform nationally. i find criminal justice reform and we are very proud of it. i worked when i was in congress on the second chance act. we have thought to do a better job recognizing and correcting the errors in the system that do reflect institutional bias and criminal justice. but with donald trump and i are saying is let's not have the reflex of assuming the worst of men and women in law enforcement. we truly do believe that -- >> moderator: so what would you say? >> pence: they are a force for good and put their lives on the line every single day. but i would suggest to you what we need to do is assert a stronger leadership of the national level to support law enforcement. you just heard the senator
reject the stopping first. i would suggest the families that are besieged by crime -- >> kaine: look, criminal justice is about being respected by the walls where there is a respect this year and i want to talk about the tone that is sad. donald trump has called mexicans rapists and women's blogs, pigs, dogs, disgusting. i don't like saying that in front of my wife and mother. he attacked a federal judge and said he was not qualified because his parents were mexican. he went after john mccain and said he wasn't a hero because he had been captured. he said african-americans are living in hell and he perpetrated this outrageous lie that president obama is not a u.s. citizen. if you want to have a society where people are respected and
respect the law, you can't have somebody at the top that demeans everyone that he talks about. i cannot believe that governor pence blood to defend the insult driven campaign to donal that dd trump has run. >> moderator: i want to turn to the next segment, immigration. undocumented immigrants that have committed violent crimes should be deported. what would you tell the millions of undocumented immigrants that have not committed violent crimes, governor pence? >> pence: donalpence? >> pence: donald trump has laid out a plan to end illegal immigration. we have been talking it to death for 20 years. hillary clinton and tim kaine want open doors, amnesty, catch and release, sanctuary cities, all the things that are driving the wages down. and also too often with criminal aliens in the country it's bringing heartbreak. but donald trump has a plan that
he laid out in arizona that would deal systematically with illegal immigration with border security and enforcement. it's probably wise for the first time in the history of the immigration and customs enforcement, the union endorsed donald trump as the next president of the united states because they know he needs help to enforce the laws in the country. donald trump has laid out a plan for those that have overstayed their visa, and once we have accomplished all that, which will strengthen our economy and the rule of law and make the community safer, then we will deal with those that remain. but i have to tell you i was listening to the avalanche of insults coming out of a minute ago. holwhat am i secondhold on a sey time, senator. he said it is an insult driven campaign.
did you all jus just hear that,s is an insult driven campaign? if donald trump said all the things that you said and the way that you said he said then he wouldn't have a fraction of the insult when hillary clinton said half of our supporters were a basket of deplorable. she said that they were irredeemable, they were not american. it is extraordinary. and then one after another on millions of americans who believe that we can have a stronger america at home and abroad and believe we can get this economy moving again and end illegal immigration once and for all. so, senator, this insult driven campaign, that's small potatoes compared to hillary clinton calling half of donald trump supporters a basket of in the portables. kaine: the next day she said i shouldn't have said that.
>> moderator: it's his time please. >> kaine: donald trump did he apologize for calling women's blogs, dogs, disgusting? data donald trump apologize for taking after somebody in the world begins an overweight in apologize for saying african americans were living in hell and apologize for saying president obama was not even a citizen of the united states? you will look to see donald trump ever taking responsibility apologizing. therthere's two plans on the ta. hillary and i believe in comprehensive immigration reform and donald trump believes in deportation. you've got to pick your choice. we want a bipartisan reform that will put keeping families together as the top goal. second, help focus enforcement efforts on those who are violent.
third, do more border control and provide a path to citizenship for those that work hard and pay taxes into play by the rules on record checks. that's our proposal. donald trump proposes to deport 16 million people. 11 million here without documents, and both donald trump and mike pence want to get rid of birthright citizenship if you are born here but for pagans don't have documents, they want to eliminate. these guys and donald trump said it, deportation they want to go house to house, school to school, business-to-business and kick out of 16 million people. and i cannot even believe governor pence but defend his running mate plan that we should create a deportation force so they will all be gone. >> pence: is called integrations and customs enforcement and the union for immigration and customs enforcement for the first time in history endorsed donald trump to be the next president.
>> kaine: and you like the 16 million -- >> pence: they have a plan for open borders, amnesty -- >> kaine: it's like the plan from 1986. >> pence: the call of immigration reform on capitol hill. hill. it's an sp and you heard one of the things he mentioned his border security. that's how washington always plays it. >> moderator: governor pence. >> pence: restoring the borders of the nation. >> moderator: how would these undocumented immigrants leave, would they be forcibly removed? >> pence: teammate out priorities that do not deal with border security and after we secure the border, we not only build a wall that lead in the ground and in the air we do internal enforcement but he said the focus has to be on immigration.
we have a conversation on law enforcement and the violence that is befitting our cities and the reality is that there is heartbreak and tragedy that struck american families because people that came into this country illegally are now involved in criminal enterprise inactivity and we don't have the resources or the will to deport them systematically. a donald trump said we are going to move those people out that overstayed their visa we are going to enforce the law of the country and strengthened immigration and customs enforcement with more resources and personnel to be able to do that and then donald trump has made it clear once we do all those things, we are going to reform the immigration system -- that's the order that you should do it. removing criminal aliens in upholding the law and then i will work with you when you go back to the senate i promise y
you. >> kaine: i just want to make it very clear that he is trying to change what donald trump said. in phoenix he looked them in the eye and said we are building a wall and deporting everybody. he said they will all be gone. this is one of the ones you can go to the tape and see what donald trump has said. and to add to it, we are a nation of immigrants. we are both descendents from immigrant families. we have done well and it's made our nation stronger. when donald trump says mexicans are rapists and criminals, when donald trump says who is your judge can he says that the judge was unqualified to hear the case because his parents were mexican, i can't imagine how you would defend that.
>> moderator: i would like to shift terrorism. you think the world today is safer or a more dangerous place than it was eight years ago blacks as the terrorist threat increased or decreased, senator kaine? >> kaine: it has decreased because bin laden is dead and it's increased in some ways because an iranian nuclear weapons program has bee been stopped, the terrorist threat to the united states truth has been decreased in some ways because there's not 175,000 in the dangerous part of the world is only other parts of the both are challenging to be tourism that is only one candidate that can do it and it is hillary clinton. the senator from new york on 9/11 was there at the world trade center when they were still searching for victims and survivors. that steered onto her do need to beat terrorism and she has a plan to do it. she was part of a national security team that wiped out bin laden. laden. here is her plan to defeat isis.
we have to take out the leaders on the battlefield. she was part of the team that got bin laden and she will get ahead of isis. second, we hav have to disrupt e financing networks and third, their ability to recruit on the internet and the safe havens. fourth, we also have to work with allies to share and search intelligence. that's the hillary clinton plan and she has the experience to do it. donald trump can't start a twitter or with ms. universe of shooting himself in the foot. he doesn't have a plan. he said i have a secret plan, then he said i know more than all the generals and then he said i'm going to call the genitals to help me figure out a plan and finally, he said i'm going to fire all the generals. he does have dangerous plans. he trash talks the military. the military is a disaster. john mccain is no heroes and the generals needed to be fired. nato is obsolete and will only
work together with israel to. third, he loves dictators. he is kind of a personal note rushmore, vladimir putin, moammar gadhafi and saddam hussein. third, donald trump believes the world will be safer if more nations have nuclear weapons. he said saudi arabia should get them, china, saudi arabia, when confronted with this and told wait a minute, proliferation could lead to nuclear war come here's what he said and i quote, go ahead, folks, enjoy yourselves. yourselves. i'd love to hear governor pence tell me what is comical about nuclear war. >> moderator: governor? pence: that had a lot of creative lines. i can make it very clear to the american people after traveling millions of miles as the
secretary of state and being the architect of the foreign-policy of the nation, america is less safe today than it was when barack obama became president. absolutely inarguable. it's been a combination of factors that mostly a lack of leadership. i was in washington, d.c. on 9/11 and i saw the clouds of smoke rise. we all lived through that day of the nation. i want to give the president credit for bringing osama bin laden to justice. the truth is osama bin laden led al qaeda. the primary threat today is isis. because she failed the status of forces agreement that would have allowed some combat troops to remain and secure the gain that they had won by 2009, isis was
the able to be conjured up and overrun vast areas that they one in operation iraqi freedom. my heart breaks for the soldier in falluja in 2005 off hard for the difficult days in operation iraqi freedom and he paid the ultimate sacrifice. to defend our freedom and secure the nation and that nation was secured in 2009 but because hillary clinton and barack obama failed to provide a status of forces agreement, we are back at war and the president ordered more troops on the ground. and his mom would always come to the memorial day events and i would give her a hug and tell her we are never going to forget your son and we never will.
the sacrifices the american soldier made were squandered because they create a vacuum on which isis was able to grow. and that iranian deal that hillary clinton initiated from the $150 billion -- it didn't stop the nuclear weapon program. >> kaine: even the israeli government -- >> pence: there is no limitation once the period of time the treaty comes off. >> moderator: he proposed extreme vetting of immigrants from parts of the world that address terrorism but that doesn't address the recent terrorist attacks in the united states such as the orlando nightclub massacre and the recent bombings in new york and new jersey. those were home-grown and committed by u.s. citizens and residents. what specific tools would you use to prevent those kind of attacks? >> pence: i think it is a great
question but it does begin with us reforming our immigration system and putting the interest particularly the safety of the american people first. donald trump has called for extreme vetting of people coming into the country so we don't bring people into the united states who are hostile to the bill of rights freedoms or the american way of life but also, donald trump and i are committed to suspending the seer en refugee program and programs that have been compromised by terrorism. hillary clinton and tim kaine wants to increase by -- >> moderator: homegrown -- >> pence: but make sur sure wee putting the safety of the american people first instead of hillary clinton expanding -- >> kaine: or blocking people based on their national origin rather than whether they are dangerous. that is what the circuit decided.
we have different views on this on the refugee issues and immigration. hillary and i want to do it based on our people dangerous, and with respect to refugees, we want to kick people out if they are dangerous. donald trump said keep them out if they are muslim. they said that it was discriminatory. >> moderator:pence: there wasny evidence yet that isis infiltrated the united states with refugees. >> kaine: there is a right way and a wrong way to do that. pence: >> pence: after the refugees involved in the attack in paris that is called paris 9/11, i had
no higher priority than the safety and security of people in the state. i stand by tha by the decision a fine vice president or donald trump is president, we are going to put the security of the american people first. >> kaine: hillary clinton and i will do immigration enforcement and refugees whether they are dangerous or not. we won't do it based on discriminating you on the country you come from or the religion. that is completely antithetical as a jeffersonian value. >> pence: the director of the fbi homeland security said we can't know for certain who these people are coming from syria. >> kaine: if we don't know who they are we don't let them in. >> pence: they said we can't know for certain. you have to err on the side of the safety of the american people. >> moderator: let me ask you this, secretary clinton talked
about an intelligence surge. what exactly wa exactly would an intelligent search look like him and how would that help identify terrorists with no appreciable connection to a terrorist organization? >> kaine: first it is dramatically expanding the intelligence capacities by tiger in great professionals, also we have some of the best intel and cyber employees in the world in the united states working for the private sector companies. so it involves the workforce and striking great partnerships with the cyber experts in the private sector so that we can consistent with constitutional principles gather more intelligence. the second piece was important. it also means creating stronger alliances because together intelligence is back and forth with allies and that's how you find out who may be trying to recruit and come from one country to another. alliances are critical. that's why he claimed he wants
to -- nato is obsolete and we need to get rid of it. he said nato is obsolete. if you push aside your alliances you're going to share intelligence with, secretary clinton built the sanctions that stopped the nuclear weapons program and that is what an intelligence is with better skill and capacity and alliances. >> moderator: cybersecurity -- you can have 30 seconds, quickly. pence: donald trump spoke about this. we have to bring together the best resource in the country to understand that cyber warfare is a warfare of the asymmetrical enemies we face in this country. and i look forward, if i'm privileged to be in this role working in the senate, to make sure we resource that effort. we have an intelligence surge.
but i will also tell you that it's important in this moment to remember that hillary clinton had a private server in her home that had classified information about drum strikes, e-mails from the president of the united states of america, her private server was subject -- we could cybersecurity first if we make sure -- >> kaine: the investigation concluded not one prosecutor would take any additional step. you don't get to decide the rights and wrongs of this. we have a justice system that does that. the republican fbi director did an investigation and concluded -- >> moderator: we are moving on now. 100,000 -- >> kaine: that is absolutely false and you know it. >> moderator: gentleman, senator -- senator kaine,
governor pence, please. i want to turn to serious. 100,000 of people children, under siege. bombs, cluster munition and incendiary weapons are being dropped on them by russian and syrian military. does the u.s. have a responsibility to protect civilians and prevent mass casualties on this scale? governor pence. >> pence: the united states needs to begin to exercise strong leadership to protect the vulnerable citizens and over 100,000. hillary clinton's top priority when she became secretary of the russian reset. after they invented and took over crimea and the small leader of russia is now dictating terms to the united states to the point where all of the united states of america, the greatest
nation on earth with the draws from talks of the cease-fire while vladimir putin that the missile defense in light of a marshal the forces and begin that we have brought to begin to lean into this with strong broad shouldered american leadership that begins by rebuilding the military. the russians and chinese have been making enormous investments. we have the smallest navy since 1916 and the lowest number of troops since the second world war. we've got to work with the congress and donald trump will rebuild the militar military ant american strength in the world. world. what about aleppo and syria, i do truly believe that america ought to do right now is immediately establish safe zones so that families and affordable families with children can move out of those areas, work with our era partners real-time,
right now to make that happen. and secondly, i just have to tell you that the provocations by russia needed to be met with american strength. and if russia chooses to be involved and continue i should say to be involved in this barbaric attack on the citizens in aleppo, the united states should be prepared to use military force to strike military targets in their regime to prevent them from this humanitarian crisis that is taking place in aleppo. there's a broad range of other things we ought to do as well. we ought to deploy a missile defense shield to the czech republic and poland, which hillary clinton and barack obama pulled out of not wanting to defend. we just got to have american strength of the world stage and when donald trump becomes president, the russians and other countries will know who they are dealing with in a strong american president. >> kaine: we agree the establishment with the provision
of international human aid and consistent with the security council resolution that was passed in 2014 would be a very good idea. and hillary has the ability to stand up to russia in a way this time. a donald trump again and again has praised vladimir putin and it's clear that he has business with russian oligarchs that are connected. the donald trump campaign management team had to be fired a month or so ago because of the connections with putin forces. governor penc pence needed pence said and arguably the vladimir putin is a better leader than president obama. vladimir putin has run his economy to the ground and persecutes folks and journalists. if you don't know the difference between dictatorship and leadership, then you've got to go back to the fifth grade civics class. ..
hillary clinton went to washington to get folks to rebuild their city and protect first responders by donald trump was fighting a very different fight. it was a fight to avoid paying taxes so they wouldn't support the fight against terror and he wouldn't support troops. he wouldn't support, this is important a lane. when a guy running for president will not support the troops, not support veterans, not support teachers that's really important
and i said about aleppo we do agree with the notion we have to free it a humanitarian zone. if they are important. >> moderator: governor pence you had mentioned the no-fly zone. where would you propose the zone and how would you keep it safe? >> pence: first and foremost donald trump supports our troops. donald trump supports our veterans. donald trump has paid all the taxes -- >> moderator: gentlemen this is serious. kaine cain it is about our troops. >> pence: i understand why you want to change the subject and let me be very clear. the larger question here is -- what we are dealing with is there's an old proverb that says the russian bear never dies, just hibernates in the truth of the matter is the weak and feckless foreign policy of hillary clinton and barack obama has weakened with their move in
georgia and now they are moved into crimea and the wider middle east and all the while all we do is fold our arms and say we are not having talks anymore. to answer your question we just need american strength. we need to marshal the resources of our allies in the region and in the immediate we need to act and act now to get people out of harm's way. >> moderator: and exactly how would we remain safe? >> pence: the safe zones would have to be as the senator said, it's artier framework for this that has been recognized by the international union but the united states of america needs to be prepared to work with our allies in the region to create a route for safe passage and then to protect people in those areas including the no-fly zone. but this is very tough stuff. i served on the foreign affairs committee for a decade. i traveled in and out of the region for 10 years and i saw what the american soldier wounded in iraqi -- and if we
can feckless leadership that hillary clinton was the architect of and a foreign-policy of the obama -- it's very troubling to me. cain he does not want to acknowledge that he didn't stop the nuclear weapons program. he doesn't want to acknowledge that it's a good thing and not a bad thing, that it's a good thing and not a bad thing that we are down from 175,000 troops deployed overseas to 50,000 and let me tell you what would make the middle east dangerous. donald trump with the idea that that -- ronald reagan said something interesting about nuclear proliferation in the 1980s. the problem with nuclear proliferation is that some fool or a maniac could trigger a catastrophic event and i think that is governor pence's running mate is. >> pence: senator that's pretty low.
kaine do you you think we should have more nuclear weapons in and the world will make us safer? >> pence: ronald reagan also said nuclear war should never be fought because it could never be one and the united states of america needs to make investments in modernizing -- let me go back to this i ran thing. you keep saying that they prevented, that hillary clinton started the deal with the iranians prevented i ran from getting a nuclear weapon. kaine that is what israeli joint chiefs of staff is saying now. >> pence: that's not what israel thinks. you wouldn't necessarily know that. you boycotted president netanyahu speech. you boycotted the speech. the point is what this i ran, so-called deal is what essentially guaranteed -- cain
when i was in congress i fought hard on a bipartisan basis with republican and democratic members to move forward, the toughest sanctions literally in the history of united states. the goal was always that we would only lift the sanctions if iran permanently renounce their nuclear -- let me finish the sentence. they have not renounced their nuclear ambitions and when the deals period runs out there's no limitation on obtaining weapons. $1.7 billion in ransom payment. >> moderator: we need to talk about russia. kaine six times i've said to governor pence i can imagine i can defend your running mate's position on one issue and in all six cases he has refused to defend. and yet he is asking everybody to vote for somebody that he cannot defend and i just think that's --
>> moderator: let's talk about a topic -- i will give you an opportunity. >> pence: you never said that. >> moderator: gentlemen russian president putin invaded what steps if any would your administrator take to counter these actions? >> kaine: yet to be passed on russia so let's start by not praising vladimir putin as a good leader. donald trump and mike pence of said he's a great leader and donald trump has -- >> pence: he has business dealings with russia that he refuses to disclose. hillary clinton has gone toe-to-toe with russia as secretary of state with a new start agreement to reduce russia's nuclear stockpile. she has had the experience doing it. she went toe-to-toe with russia
and launched protests when they went into georgia and we have done the same thing with ukraine but we put punishing economic sanctions on russia that we need to continue. donald trump on the other hand didn't know that russia had invaded the crimea. he was on a tv show a couple of months back and said i will guarantee you this russia's not going into the ukraine and he had to be reminded that they had gone into crimea two years before. hillary clinton is gone toe-to-toe with russia to work out a deal on new start page you got them engage in a meaningful way to tap iran's nuclear weapons program and yet she stood up to them on issues such as syria and their invasion of georgia. you have got to have the ability to do that in hillary does. on the other hand with donald trump you have somebody who praises vladimir putin of vladimir putin of the time. america should really wonder about a president trump to have a campaign manager with ties to
putin, pro putin elements in the ukraine had to be fired for that reason. they should wonder when donald trump is sitting down with vladimir putin is it going to be america's bottom line or is it going to be donald trump's bottom line that he is going to be worried about with his business dealings? this could be solved with donald trump would be willing to release his tax returns as he told the american public that he would do. i know he is laughing at this. >> pence: what is that have to do with russia? >> kaine: every president since richard nixon has done it. the only way the american public will see is the -- >> moderator: governor. >> pence: well thanks. just trying to keep up with the insult driven campaign on the other side of the table. kaine. >> kaine: i'm just giving facts about your running mate. >> pence: don't put words into my mouth. i'm happy to defend him. most of what you have said is completely false and the american people know that.
look, this is the alternative universe of washington d.c. versus reality. hillary clinton said her number one priority was a reset with russia. that reset resulted in the invasion of the ukraine. after the infiltrated with what are called little green men, russian soldiers dressing up like ukrainian dissidents and then they moved all the way into crimea and took over the crimea peninsula. donald trump did that happen. he basically said it's not going to happen again. the truth of the matter is what you have in the rise of aggression of russia which has had increased influence in iran. it's now because of this deal it's on a pathway into the future to obtain a nuke we are -- the leading state sponsor of terror in the world in iran now has a closer working relationship with russia because
of hillary clinton and barack obama's foreign policy and $150 billion in sanctions. then of course syria, i mean it really is extraordinary, serious imploding. you just asked a thoughtful question about the disaster in aleppo. isis is headquartered in raqqa. isis from raqqa has overrun vast areas at great sacrifice that the american soldier one in operation iraqi freedom and yet senator kaine still says a lawyer's -- a loyal soldier and i get all that and the foreign policy of hillary clinton and barack obama somehow made the world more secure. he really is astonishing. the day that iran released for american, delivered 400 million in cash as a ransom payment for americans held by the radical mullahs in tehran. >> moderator: trump said quote putin has no respect for hillary
clinton and no respect obama. why do you think you will respect they pence trump administration? >> pence: strank, pure and simple. that's nonsense. we are going to rebuild our military and this prudent thing, look america is stronger than russia. our economy is 16 times larger than the russian economy. america's political system is superior to the crony corrupt capitalist system in russia in every way. when donald trump and i observe that as i said in syria and iran and ukraine the small and bullying leader of russia has been stronger on the world stage than this administration, that stating painful facts. that's not an endorsement of vladimir putin. that's an indictment of a weak
and feckless leadership of hillary clinton and barack obama. >> kaine: governor pence said in arguably vladimir putin is a better leader than president obama. >> pence: that is absolutely inaccurate. >> kaine: i just think a guide -- . >> pence: he has been stronger in the world stage. >> kaine: you said leader and i will just say this governor. if you mistake leadership for dictatorship and you can't tell the difference the country that is running the economy -- if you can't tell the difference you shouldn't be commander-in-chief. what donald trump son say is they have all these business dealings with russia. those could be disclosed with tax returns but they refuse to do it. americans need to worry about whether donald trump will be watching out or america's bottom line. >> moderator: senator came what went wrong with the russia reset? >> kaine: vladimir putin. vladimir putin is a dictator.
vladimir putin is a big hater. he is not a leader. anybody who thinks otherwise that no russian history and they don't know vladimir putin. hillary clinton knows exactly who this guy is. john mccain said i look in his eyes and i see the kgb and hillary has that same feeling. we do have to deal with russia and a lot of different ways. there are areas where we can incorporate so was hillary clinton who worked with russia on the new s.t.a.r.t. treaty to reduce nuclear weapons stockpile. it was hillary clinton i worked with russia to get them engaged in a community of nations to stop the iranian nuclear weapons program. she is not going around praising vladimir putin as a great guide but she knows how to sit down at the table and negotiate a deal. this is a very challenging part of the world and we ought to have the commander-in-chief who is prepared and has done it rather than somebody who goes around praising vladimir putin has a great leader. >> moderator: i would like to
ask that north korea iran and the threat of a nuclear weapon. north korea recently conducted its fifth and most powerful nuclear test. what specific steps would you take to prevent north korea from developing a nuclear-armed missile capable of reaching the united states governor pence? >> pence: first we need to make a commitment to rebuild our military including modernizing our nuclear forces and we also need an effective american diplomacy that will marshall the resources of nations in the asia-pacific to put pressure on north korea and jim -- kim jong un to atlanta in his nuclear ambitions. the denuclearization of the ukrainian peninsula. plain and simple and when donald trump is present of united states we are not going to have the kind of posture in the world that has russia invading crimea
and ukraine and is the chinese building new islands in the south china sea that is literally the world including north korea flouting american power. we are going to go back to the days of peace through strength but i have to tell you that all this talk about tax returns, i get it and you want to keep bringing it up. but hillary clinton and her husband set up a private foundation called the clinton foundation. while she was secretary of state the clinton foundation accepted tens of millions of dollars from foreign governments and foreign donors. you all need to know out there, this is basic stuff. foreign donors and certainly foreign government cannot participate in the american political process. they cannot make financial contributions for the clintons figured out a way to create a foundation where foreign governments and foreign donors could donate millions of dollars
and then we found things to the good work of the "associated press" that more than half of -- when she was secretary of state were given to major donors that the clinton foundation. you talk about all these tasteless rumors about russia and the rest, hillary clinton, hugh ousts the trustworthy question at the very beginning. the only reason they trust hillary clinton is they are looking at the pay-to-play politics she operated with the clinton foundation with her private server. they are saying enough is enough. >> kaine: or want to talk about the foundation then i will talk about north korea. on the foundation i'm glad to talk about the foundation. the clinton foundation is one of the highest rated in the world. it provides aids drugs to 11.5 million people. it helps america deal with opioid overdoses. it gives higher rankings for its charity than the american red cross does. the clinton foundation does an awful lot of good work. hillary clinton as secretary of
state took no action to benefit the foundation. the state department did an investigation that concluded everything hillary clinton did as secretary of state was completely in the interest of the united states so the foundation does good work and hillary clinton as secretary of state acted in the interest of the united states. but let's compare this with the trump organization and the trump foundation. the trump organization is an octopus like organization with tentacles all over the world's conflict of interest could only be known if donald trump would release his tax returns. he has refused to do it. his sons have said that the organization has a lot of business dealings in russia and remember the trump organization is not a nonprofit. it's putting money into donald trump's pocket and into the pockets of his children where is the clinton foundation is a nonprofit and no clinton family member draws and a salary. in addition donald trump has a foundation. the foundation was just fine for
a legally contributing foundation dollars to a political campaign of the florida attorney general. it made an illegal contribution and then they try to hide it by disguising it as somebody else in the person they donated to what somebody his office was charged with investigating trump university. this is the difference between a foundation that does good work and a secretary of state who acted in american interest than somebody who is conflicted in doing work around the world and won't share with the american public what he is doing and what those conflicts are. >> moderator: governor will give you 30 seconds to respond but again i would remind you both this is about north korea. >> pence: thank you. the trump foundation is a private family foundation and they give virtually every cent in the trump foundation to a charitable causes. less than 10 cents on the dollar in and the clinton foundation has gone to charitable causes.
10 cents on the dollar. the clinton foundation is gone to charitable causes. it's been a platform for the clintons to travel the world to have staff but honestly senator we would know a lot more about it if hillary clinton would turn over 33,000 e-mails that she refused to turn over. >> moderator: senator kaine if you had intelligence that north korea was about to launch a nuclear-armed missile capable of reaching the united states would you take preemptive action? >> kaine: a president should take action to defend the united states against a nuclear threat. the president has to do that. exactly what actions would have to determine what your intelligence was and how certain you were of that intelligence that you would have to take action. you asked the question about how we deal with north korea. i'm on the foreign relations committee and we just did an extensive sanctions package package against north korea and
interestingly enough the u.s. followed the same package. often china will use their veto in the security council to veto a package like that. they are starting to get worried about north korea too so they supported the sanctions package even though many of the sanctions are against chinese firms, chinese financial institutions so we are working together with china. china is another one of those relationships where is competitive, it's also challenging and in times like north korea we have to be able to cooperate. hillary understands that very well. she went to china and stood up in a union meeting and looked him in the eye and said women's rights are union rights. she has also worked on a lot of diplomatic and important diplomatic deals with china and that's what it's going to take. the thing i would worry about is that the donald trump owes $650 million to banks including the bank of china. i'm not sure he could stand up so talk to the people who he owes money.
moderator: -- >> moderator: i'd like to turn to the next segment and focus on social -- you have been focused on the role that -- have played in your lives. can you discuss in detail a time when you have struggled to balance your personal stake in the public policy. >> pence: i grew up in wonderful household with irish catholic parents. my mom and dad are sitting right here. i was educated by jesuits. my 40th reunion is in 10 days and i worked with missionaries in honduras nearly 35 years ago and they were the heroes of my life. i tried to practice my religion and a devout way to follow the teachings of my church in and my own personal life but i don't believe in this nation a first amendment nation where we don't raise any religion -- and we allow people to worship as they please. the doctrines of any one religion should be mandated for
everyone. for me the hardest struggle in my faith life was catholic churches against the death penalty and so am i but i was governor of the state. the state law said that there was a death penalty for crimes that are deemed to be heinous so i had to grapple with that. when i was running for governor i was attacked. strongly because my position on the death penalty but i looked the voters of virginia in the eye and i said look this is my religion. i'm not going to change my religious practice to get one vote but i have to uphold the lot and if you will let matt will uphold the law. i was elected and i did. in circumstances where i didn't feel like they were sick case for clemency had told virginia voters i would uphold the law and they did. that was a real struggle but i think it's really important that those of us who have deep faith lives don't feel like we could substitute our own views for
everybody else's regardless of their views. >> moderator: governor pens. >> pence: it's a wonderful question and my christian faith is at the heart of who i am. i was also raised in a wonderful family of faith. it was church on sunday morning and grace before dinner but my christian faith became real for me when i made a personal decision to christ when i was a freshman in college and i have tried to live that out however every day of my life sends. with my wife at my side we have called a public service and tried to keep faith with values that we cherish. and with regard to when i struggle, i appreciate and i have a great deal of respect for senator kaine's faith i
sincerely do but for me i would tell you that for me the sanctity of life proceeds now to the belief that ancient principles where god says before you were formed in the womb i knew you so for my first time in public life i had great compassion for the sanctity of life. the state of indiana has also sought to make sure that we expand alternatives and health care counseling for women, non-abortion alternatives and i'm pleased with the fact that we are well underway and indiana to becoming the most pro adoption state in america. if you are pro-life you should be pro adoption but what i can't understand is when hillary clinton with senator kaine at her side is to support a practice like partial-birth abortion and to hold to the view , senator kaine q. hold pro-life views personally. the very idea that a child is almost born into the world,
could still have their life taken from them is just an anathema to me. i can't consciously support a party that supports that and i know you have historic week oppose taxpayer funding in abortion but hillary clinton wants to repeal the long-standing provision in the law where we said we wouldn't use taxpayer dollars to fund abortion. for me my faith informs my life. i try to spend time every day but it all begins with cherishing the dignity and the worth and value of every human life. >> kaine: a land this is a fundamental question, a fundamental question. hillary and i have deep religious backgrounds. the methodist church was formative for has a public servant did we really feel that life should be lived fully and with enthusiasm but it is not the role of the public servant to mandate that for everybody
also lets talk about abortion and choice. let's talk about that. we support roe v. wade. we support the constitutional right of american women to consult their own conscience, support a partner theron minister but make their own decision about pregnancy. that's something we trust american women to do that and we don't think that women should be punished for making a decision to have an abortion. governor pens want to repeal roe v. wade. he wants to put it on the ash heap of history. we have some young people in the audience who were born when roe was decided. before roe v. wade states could pass criminal laws to punish women if they made the choice to terminate a pregnancy. i think you should live your world values but the last thing,
the very last thing the government should do is have laws that would punish women to make reproductive choices and that is the fundamental difference between a clinton campaign and a trump pens stick it that wants to -- >> pence: it's really not. donald trump and i would never support legislation that punished women who made the heartbreaking choice to end a pregnancy. >> kaine: then why did donald trump say that? >> pence: look, he is not a polished politician like you and hillary clinton. >> kaine: one of the great lines from the gospel, from the fullness of the heart that now speaks. when donald trump says women should be punished or mexicans are and john mccain is not a hero he is showing you who he is. >> pence: senator you were whipped up that mexican thing again. can you defend that? there are criminal aliens in