tv Cokie Roberts and E.J. Dionne Discuss the Catholic Vote CSPAN October 31, 2016 9:00am-10:16am EDT
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statement like this morning here at the national press club on c-span2, just waiting for the discussion hosted by catholic university are. they'll be talking about the cap the vote in the 2016 elections in on the panel this morning, catholic journalist cokie roberts with abc, e.j. dionne with the "washington post" and the ceo vote latino and robert jones of the public writ should research institute. all got started shortly at the national press club. c-span will have more road to the white house coverage later today. donald trump in grand rapids, michigan where the latest poll shows hillary clinton ahead by five points. mr. trump's rally by funds c-span at noon eastern time. 615 eastern clinton will be campaigning in neighboring ohio. live coverage of that also on
[inaudible conversations] >> well, it does work. thank you call for being here on a monday morning. i know the traffic is to read days. it is stalwart duty to be here. the cap lake university of america for policy research and sponsored this event and bringing their vast knowledge of the subject to it. i am treated to. i'm really here to listen as much as anything and maybe make a few comments about what's happened politically in the past
and what might happen in the future. i did check out the patron saint of politicians. the century which john paul two and 2000 named sir thomas more is the patron i know. it was a good idea, but really a bar is too high. i then checked out the patron saint of salesman. you'll love this. it is stateless d. in st. lucie of course gave her dowry to the poor and was tortured and killed for it because one didn't do such things. so one is the perfect person for salesman candidate. she couldn't be moved to be
killed and she couldn't be burned, but she was finally stab. that was the end of st. lucie. but the notion that someone who gave the dowry to the poor should be the patron of the person who is running now as an interesting comment that. at any rate, we are all going to talk for a few minutes. e.j. dionne will be joining us when he does. and then, we'll open this up for question period every one of these panelists is distinguished and he or she will introduce themselves and not where you won't have some warm introduction because nobody does that dems tells. so we will start with steve.
>> well, thank you for that warm introduction. [laughter] and steve schneck from the catholic university of america, direct dripping its due for institute therein along with t. r. r. i, one of the cosponsors of today's event. i have a little bit of a slide show before the talks so if we move to the slideshow to begin with. i want to start with the theological overview to talk just a bit about the church teachings in this regard. whispers say the catholic church does not instruct catholics how to vote. and it does not endorse candidates.
if there is however instruct him the moral dimension of issues in public life. the church of course i don't think this is a surprise to anyone teaches that abortion, contraception and euthanasia are wrong. advocates for understanding of the marriage ring in the death penalty and religious liberty. these teachings instruct as well but economics needs to be regulated by concern for human life in dignity. the teachings oppose racism, promote generosity towards migration and the welcoming of refugees and endocrine. those teaching talk about the moral imperative for the earth, the moral imperative to provide health care and education and the moral imperative of this building. these teachings instruct cat to
judge laws and policies by whether or not they make the names of the poor, the oppressed and marginalized of priority. the church teaches that the moral weight of all these issues is not equal, that issues for example that and/or deny human life should be as socially weighty on catholic conscience. but it also insists that concern for human life is entirely inseparable for can turn for human dignity and concern for the earth. that is the teachings per motivation for what cap should do as voters and legislators that is holistic and integral in this sense. so what does this mean for cap looks in public life?
for american catholics who want to follow the churches teachings, they face the problem neither political party as is evident from their platforms is a particularly good at. but we are not allowed to the cafeteria catholics about that. we are not about to pick and choose which of the many teachings to support and which not. none of the teachings is optional. moreover, american politics have become polarized. no surprise to anyone in this room did become polarized in the last few decades and polarization has built over into the pews and american catholic church is. so like all americans, catholics are very much effect did that have polarization. this makes it even more difficult for catholics to engage in public life as
catholics. it's no wonder then and i wish he was here now so that i could poke at them. there really is no catholic vote there's no meaningful but voters -- lack of voters and their political engagement. for the most part, what we are talking about and what is usually talked about in context like this are voters who are catholic and non-catholic voters per se. nevertheless, voters who are catholic are very keen. how they vote usually correlated with who went national elections i expect this to be true in this
election as well. these voters who are cap like are diggers. they are at the moment about one fifth that the total electorate in this country and obviously they are not spread evenly across the country. some states have larger catholic populations than others which makes their role is even more interesting given the realities of the electoral college. a bit more than 40% of catholics lean towards the democratic party and party identification. a bit less than 40% lean toward the gop and about 20% are true swing voters. demographic way, they forced catholics in america for shot over america as whole is headed. 43% of cap looks today are either first or second
generation and the rent. that is something to pause on. burgeoning numbers come from africa, the caribbean, east asia and south asia, both fully one third of catholics today are latino and here is another amazing number. two thirds of catholics under the age of eight team are latino. that's the future of the church and in many ways the future of united states. these are diverse with ancestors from mexico, central america, south america and so forth. american catholicism. irish, italian, polish and so on. and perhaps in present company i
should mention keeshan cat and p.j. were here come the french canadian catholics as well. you're welcome. that image is less than month an accurate one. there are three things to note about the slight calf. first, why catholics are much more assimilated and generally more americanized in attitudes and values than the others. >> agents. >> not the cajuns i agree. they are group apart. should i say not cajuns here. like, cap looks, more educated and have higher incomes than other cap lyrics. white catholics are shrinking not just an percentage the real number is due to birth rates than those leaving the church. to make sense of the laxity of
all of this comedy any voters who are cat like, either by the cat like population to roughly keep groups. the first third are latino catholics who have been recent election voted for the democrat way upwards of 60%. bad looking at all remaining cast links and then half we have two more groups and a group of those who attend mass every week or more. they have cited and candidates short of 60%. i call this group an intentional catholics pure finally, the third group of young latino catholics who do not attend last every week. that is the group than in recent elections has been a strong
swing group and i call that a group of cultural cat on trend trend -- catholics. it's a bit of our complicated as dr. jones will explain. support for donald trump is lower than we saw for romney and mccain and george bush and latino catholics are supporting secretary clinton in number is significantly higher than went for democrat in this last election. the upshot is that at least at last polling and pigs have been through it, but at least at last polling, cap appeared to be moving to the democratic column more strongly than in recent elections, meaning the secretary clinton is likely to win the support of voters who are catholic. with that, let me turn it over to rob you. -- rob e.
[applause] okay, great. i am robert jones. i'm the ceo of the public religion research institute as some of you may know us by. my job is to set the table with some drill downs of some catholic groups looking at white catholic voters to the election cycle are fairly interesting. and the cycle compared to where they've been in the past. i will comment on that as we go. that may just jump in and in the interest of time. first of all it might be helpful to get some context. as you know i wrote a recent book called the yen of white
christian america this year. one of the things that i had been noting is this real pattern and despite some of the historical antipathy between white catholics and white protestant groups in the past, we have seen an alignment as reagan among some of these groups. even explicit theological documents to bury the hatchet in the 90s going forward. if you look at the voting pattern. i wanted to be a last election cycles from the polls and it is the percentage of voted for democratic presidential candidates. here is to support among various white christian groups for democratic presidential candidates over the last three election cycles. none of them had 50%. they have been many tours are strongly supporting republican presidential candidates with
white evangelical protestants being the most supportive in the least likely to support democratic candidates. why catholics and white mainline protestants,, episcopalians and that group have been around for intend for democratic candidates and six in 10 support for republican presidential candidates over time. that is the context. what's interesting is that really has been this very big divide between white christian groups on the one hand and everybody else committed the other way. here i'd democratic presidential presidential -- support for democratic presidential candidates among the religious unaffiliated, jewish americans and african american protestants. this very diverse coalition supporting democratic presidential candidate the last three election cycles and this very homogeneous. it's protestant and catholic but it's basically white and christian supporting republican presidential candidates.
so that is the context from which we enter this election cycle. a very long-standing pattern that we've seen very steady as you can see there's wiggles but the patterns have been set and this is largely true since reagan years. here's where we are today. this is our latest set of data. this is a combined set of surveys of 2600 likely voters in the election today. across september 22nd to october 17 with the field dates among all likely voters we had hillary clinton up over donald trump 48-39. white evangelical voters by far the group that most strongly supported child only 17% supporting hillary clinton in. white mainline protestants but about half supporting charm. here's catholics in the middle.
51-40 is what we have been in the survey. unaffiliated, non-christian religion including, hindus, buddhists and african american protestants anchoring 90% support for hillary clinton and overwhelming support on the 3% support for donald trump and not surveyed. one thing to say about catholics as catholics overall have basically have gone with the winner pretty much consistent he and kind of a tall weather constituency. but that is happening because of some very interesting push and pull underneath the surface of the water between white and latino catholics that have been pulling in opposite directions and it's kind of the confluence of those two currents that have led them to be this kind of a weather feed. it's not the catholics overall are evenly dividing, but these
two subgroups that are kind of pushing opposite directions in some way better than being catholics at the andrei there. just for some context in 2012 among all catholics, obama got 50%. romney 48. that looks pretty consistent if you go back you would see similar thing. here's what's interesting if you drill down further, romney won white cat by 19-point and lost by 54 points. and that's despite underneath this current that's going on. i will unpack this a little further here. just to give you what this looks like an arch current survey. all catholics likely voters. here's why catholics likely voters tipping towards trump. 48-41. this includes african-americans, latinos that includes
african-american asian pacific islander catholics as well in the factories. you can see this huge gap between white and nonwhite catholics in the current election among likely voters. i will drill down a little bit particularly catholic voters to defend about going back. we see the white evangelicals said here's although likely voters. look at dh. there's no age gap among white catholic likely voters. we also see this among evangelicals. we see no age divide between trump and clinton among likely voters. we can come back to this in q&a. one theory that up with evidence is part of what is happening is among both white evangelicals and why catholics, they had lost so many younger members that
would've pulled that younger generation to be more of the girl. that it is new to the generational gaps in many ways. this has been true for evangelicals and catholics. here's the distribution among white catholics, likely voters 60% are over the age of 50 in only 32% and the size of these groups. let's take a look at gender gap. there's a little bit of a gender gap. here's 2012-2016. is our exit poll numbers to our latest survey numbers and we have about 13-point out an undecided. it could be some of these numbers come back to a little bit of people saying they're not decided. you can still see in the numbers here are white catholic men 2012 trivia to survey among likely voters in white catholic laymen.
2012 is a recent thing. you can see the gap year is more among women that we've got a 15-point cap, white catholic women between 2012 and today. here is college education. among white catholics with no college degree, a narrower gap. among white catholics a bigger gap and lower support for trump and compared to 2012. about 15 points here among catholics with a college degree. this is consistent with other polling that donald trump has been struggling with white women and we are seeing that among the catholic vote as well. i will stop there except to say one quick thing about context and why this matters down the home stretch that in places like pennsylvania and wisconsin, for example, white catholics make up three in 10 voters and they make
up about a quarter of voters in ohio, iowa, nevada, michigan and florida. those are states we all hear a lot about. this is a very important constituency as a kind of looked on the home stretch of the election. [applause] >> in the second row. [inaudible conversations] >> thank you so much for joining us so early. it was difficult for me to get here through traffic. my name is maria. i want to thank catholic university and prri for hosting
this. i was asked to come and talk about the millennial vote for the latino is, very rarely through the cross sections of the latino and catholic youth. that is a better way to provide context for what we see when it comes to latino participation. i'm the founding president of the latino. we focus and started 12 years ago and we did some things might be different. we talked to young latinas using technology, speaking in english and recognizing their innate leadership. long before people turn 18 or so that navigating america for parents. my son right now is two years old. he kept running into things, cutting off his toenails. you can imagine. he's a boy.
i have a little girl and i have to say they are so different. i'm trying to raise them gender-neutral. i'm like no. so my son -- this is the third hospital visit that i have for him. three beds down i.-year-old little girl and she is translating for her parents and for her mom and her little brother is wailing. he couldn't have been more than six months old. she is explaining to her mother with the doctor is telling her and basically that her little brother needs to have an mri. she took me back to when i was a little girl translating for my family and then you realize little things have changed. we started focusing on young american latino making decisions on behalf of their parent on
before they turn 18 years old. why not do the same thing when it comes to politics? and so we fast-forward to the mayor from the election and start talking about soft deportation of the dog we let the largest group of americans are eligible voters another thing you are talking about their families. and then you fast-forward from south deportation to build the wall and you could only realize if you had a mixed status family of 6.5 million american living mixed status family, and they need somebody in is an documented. 1.5 million of them are eligible voters. they are eligible voters and the places we described. nevada, arizona, florida, pennsylvania, ohio. they are either in new york or
california and yet you have taxes. in the last census, 51% of the population boom in the american populace was because the children of immigrant of the latino boom and find themselves an unsuspecting places. this is for one of the largest reasons when you start talking about issues of social justice and the immigration. social equity. all of a sudden you see in alertness because it impacts them disproportionately. i actually think right now you are seeing a renaissance within catholicism. for many latinos, the one we've been waiting for because he's speaking to those issues of equity, of social justice. and then you have a presidential candidate who decides to have a
tiff with the pope on social media. shocking. breaking news. but he calls the pope disgraceful, when the popes have sent what you have to be charitable with those that are the most poor and it wasn't surprising to a lot of catholics when he went to the border of el paso and basically had a conversation on this idea that we are equal in weight upon. there is finally a leader to the hostility they've been feeling even though they've been doing good labor. that brings me to what we see right now within the latino community and the latino vote. overall you have basically the second-largest group of americans. we are 6 million strong. we represent 17% of the actual electors.
i'm sorry. 13%. so you have roughly 27 million latinos who are eligible voters this year. what we do know is roughly 17 million have registered to vote. in california the last two days of voter rations by search of half a million people register online. i had a conversation with the secretary of state to figure out how many are latino voters and the last voter registration in california is the dave foley blue state has seen a surge of participation posted 20%. and the work we do, our goal this year was to register 75,000 people in key states. colorado, arizona, north carolina, ohio, pennsylvania, texas and florida. we have registered 177,000.
mostly using a digital first strategy, talking specifically in english about social justice issues to american latino youths. we are a 501(c)(3) but we've been very transparent when it comes to the issues we know is going to galvanize them. if you start looking at the catholic vote along the lines of not just equity that this idea of who's participating. it is not surprising that you see a real strength when it comes to women and family, when it comes to environment and health. that is because women outperform men in the latino community when it comes to voting. this is from a 2010 survey. when you start trying -- i thought e.j. had a question. when you start to parse that
out, you also start talking about issues that matter. overwhelmingly latinas care about social security because if their parents all of a sudden you sick or don't have the social safety net, they are expect it to take on that role. we did a survey with young women and found that one of the top reason latinos would reason latinos were not above it was not just immigration that they are increasingly interested in the platform presidential candidate when it came to issues of retirement and social safety net. in the event that an older person got sick on the job, were they going to have the basic share that they needed. those are usually reflect that and older americans around 45 or 50 that have care for parents as they age. the reason that 23-year-old young woman cared was a father-son their parent got sick in didn't have the net for the
parent was taking care of, she is to make a lot of decisions. this should continue going to school are -- each quiz so she can support her parents? that's one of the reason social security resonates overwhelmingly within the john latino community because the idea they need to make sure they have. because they do not have savings, they consider social security as saving. if they are not old enough to pay into the system and make it stick, whether they will continue down this road. or drop out in order to take care of theirs parents. as we move forward with this election, we find people incredibly primed for voter registration have movements within the millennial group that are not on the rogers strain on behalf of their families but
also creating some of the folks that have really galvanized the community in a way we've not seen any they were willing to change themselves to congressional offices. they were willing to chain themselves to the white house of economic recession on equity of coming out of the shadows. as a result they were able to catapult legislation within 10 years of comprehensive immigration reform. i would bet money no one in this room does not have an opinion on immigration. to appreciate a comment these young people marched in galvanize, mobilize people and they were the folks that had the least ability to represent themselves. but yet they made it a national consciousness. by contrast of the talk about issues that all gpt for civil rights at 63252100 years for there to be an opinion among the
majority of americans. that speaks a lie to their leadership and also their ability to talk explicitly about social justice. you see a lot of the young people of the dreamer movement talk about the environment. they talk about wage equity and if you were to talk to most catholics within the latino community, it is the agenda of social equity, justice and parity that mobilizes down and is that parallel to what we been waiting for, what he discusses every single time that they identify with. i do want to caution unless a lot of these issues that resonate among the latino millennial is, we noticed to third under the age of 18 are latino unless the church
welcomes enhanced his conversation represented right now with the pope that is not going to be the case. right now you have a large deception of older latinos leaving the church. close to one in four latinos that practice another religion are basically no longer practicing a religion. 25% were catholic first. i do think there is an opportunity and the opportunity have these conversations on social justice of equity and standing strong for what is right, speaking truth to power when it comes to a clear candidate that is not only not accepting, but not tolerant of a whole swath of americans that happen to be hispanic, that happened to be of immigrant families and that is going to be our challenge as we move toward. how we accepting and standing up for the person that does not have a voice.
how could we be more like a princess. thank you very much. [applause] >> and e.j. dionne. i apologize for being late unlike low-cost and an cokie roberts we live in the same neighborhood. i miscalculated and i apologize. it is very good to be here. i want to commend catholic university for underscoring the role. i have a pet peeve when people talk about catholics committee immediately talk about white catholics that the latino catholics are somehow in some other church. they are not as pope francis among others remind us every day and politically that is very
important because when you look at george w. bush's ability to win the catholic vote on on the fact that hugh is able to pickup about 40% of the latino vote. there's arguments about the precise number that made a huge difference in his ability to carry the overall latino vote because when steve said at the outset as we can be pretty sure hillary clinton will carry the catholic vote. we can be almost positive unless a very strange thing happens in the next week because strange things happen all the time. i spend too much time reading the newspaper when i woke up this morning. hillary clinton were carried by a substantial margin and latinos will be key to that.
there is no catholic vote and it is. they are not a bloc vote. we go back to the 1960 election candidate and hung onto most of that was 76%. just one election before jf k. when ike was running against adlai did, according to gallup, eisenhower cup 44% of the catholic vote. so there is no block catholic vote. even when your nominated account that post john kennedy, john kerry did not secure anything like that majority. the important part is precisely because catholics are a swing vote. there is a group in very rough
terms. is a slightly larger swing among catholics and catholics are strategically located as steve also pointed out, which is very. i've always loved that chart there robbie put out. i've seen it before. this has nothing to do with their discussion. when you look at white in my protestant, i've wondered what numerologists would make of that. it just seems to me. i think one of the things -- i think one of the things that we need to think about looking at these numbers is whether catholics in many ways are like all other americans right now which is ideology trumps religion. trans people's faith traditions. we all find ways to rationalize the mess. and there are distinctive characteristics of what steve
wagner, a republican voting analyst who looks at the catholic vote close late is called the difference between social renewal cap looks social justice cap. social renewal of catholics are basically the pro-life catholics. i have to say you see this even a parish level. the last two sundays i went to two very different parishes because of the time of the mass. i was struck at the more conservative parish the first prayer of the faithful forecast on abortion and the right to life and not the other parish i went to the first prayer of the faithful focused on may be we be welcoming to all, may we not exclude strangers appeared you see this right at the parish level all over our country. now i don't deny that there are real theological difference is between social renewal and social justice cap is aired
their differences and priority, differences in how they read to tradition. nonetheless, we should be honest enough that there's a great cs lewis lined that many christians do not read the gospel where might bent on political questions. they ransack it for support own political party. we are as bobby shows more so than usual split by gender and region. like all southern white catholics are more republican than other catholics because southern whites are more republican than the rest of the country. that is generally true. what is going on this year that might be a little bit different? take robbie's numbers on white catholics where he's got the exit poll showed an 18-point margin for romney and all that plus seven for a child. think of all those undecided
voters he would when by about 18 points. if they split the symbian like they are split now, trump would only had a nine-point origin. something specific is happening with donald trump obviously within the latino community, but also within the white catholic and also by the african-american catholic community except for cokie roberts who knows there's a lot of protestant in louisiana ..
it's making hard work conservative catholics to endorse him part but i have seen at the conservative newspaper, there was a very interesting summary of the opinions of catholic bishops, what they are saying about the election. in the last several elections, very conservative bishops were, though they didn't say how you should vote, they were pretty clear about their preference for the republican candidate. in this election, many of the same conservative bishops are much more likely to say we can't decide. one bishops that they will write in somebody. there's something about trump, especially in the age of pope francis that makes even conservative catholics reluctant to support him. clearly immigration, because because it has become such an
important position for the roman catholic church, clearly immigration is part of that. i have my faithful view and my cynical view. my faithful view is of course the scripture says welcome the stranger. my cynical view says latinos are the people in the country that protestants and catholics are fighting for and neither want to get on the wrong side of latinos in this case we have the happy circumstance of what the faith teaches us of being reinforced by self interest. this may be the work of the holy spirit. i think that has something to do with it. i think various other aspects of
donald trump that we need not go into today also are pushing some of these traditional catholics, conservative catholic bishops away. you've also begun to see a change in the leadership of the catholic church since pope francis. the two most obvious signals of that are the bishop in chicago and san diego. i think the message that people are getting from the hierarchy this year is far more, let's put it, complicated than the message that large parts of the hierarchy were given in recent elections. i think one of the fascinating questions is, are we seeing a circumstance in which the leadership of the church will come back toward where the church was back in the 1980s
when some people in the room are old enough to remember, when the bishops put out statements on social justice and nuclear war. now, finally, in the end, even churchgoing catholics don't always listen to bishops when it comes time for voting. my late mom, very devout catholic used to have an aversion to candidates recommended from the pulpit come a just in general principle. i do think the message coming out of leadership has some long-term impact, but i see no evidence that we will seize anytime soon to be that swing group that remains extremely important in the election. i suspect that on election
night, when when we are looking at returns, particularly from ohio and pennsylvania and a number of other states, but also looking at returns because of latino catholics from colorado and nevada, we we will be payina great deal of attention to how catholics vote and that's exactly how pope francis would wanted to be. thank you very much. [applause] >> now that we've talked, i actually have to tell you a story. in the first persian gulf war, dan rather arrived in saudi arabia to go to central command. he gets there and the military guy, the pr guy says if you
don't mind, the chaplain would really like to see you before you go into the field. he set of course, only the chaplain. the chaplain was from louisiana. he said i just had to meet you because i had to tell you the story. he said right before i came here i looked at the back of the church and there's a guy who hasn't been there in 20 years, at least. after after massey set i go up to him and i said it was lovely to see you here, but what brought you here? he said dan rather. dan rather brought me here. the preset really how, why, why did he bring you here and he said because every night he said isis in the golf, crisis in the
golf and i figure any minute he's going to be in humor. [laughter] i was going to start with a different story, also completely true and it picks up where he left off but that was unintentional but happy. that is my love to tell that when jack kennedy was president and of course they were friends and tip didn't like to ask the president for favors but his very good friend had a cyo and that was meeting in new york and the president was going to be in new york anyway. he said jack, i hate to ask you this, but would you mind going and talking to the cyo. he said yes, but that's it, no more because once the cyo is there, the rest are there.
so sure enough he gets this message, the bishops are meeting down in ballroom a and also by the way, the nuns are meeting over in ballroom d or probably the. [laughter] and of course they want to see you and kennedy says i'll go see the nuns, they vote democratic. those bishops are all republican. so this is not new. i know they started the spacing very formally that the church doesn't endorse. news to them. and so i was very curious to go and look at things like the
national catholic register and you're right, they're not endorsing exactly but it's certainly pretty clear that if you voted for someone who is a 100% antiabortion, you're going straight to hell, but what was interesting to me was there was not a red hat on that list. so the people who are nervous about their futures were not represented. it is true, by the way, that if you do go in. by the way, the cardinals are, at least one cardinal is taking the stand on the world series, but he's done a great thing. he said since we've waited an eternity for a win, if chicago wins he will sing and transcend deep dish pizza and baked goods to all the homeless in cleveland
, leaving the bishop of cleveland to say me to so it's good. this is the kind of statement that we want to see. it is true however, if you just go to google and type in catholic vote, what comes up is a website called catholic vote and it starts saying that tim kaine does not represent catholic values and asks you to sign a petition but it doesn't tell you what it is. then it has questionnaires and one says will you send your best donation to help fund this catholic vote battle plan for the 2016 election that brian burch outlined here in this letter. your choices are yes because i share your views that the 2016 election is very likely our last
chance to save america by being destroyed by the radical left or no because i don't care much about elections or who is elected president. so, it's a problem. it is still very much out there. it is something that people feel and it's very much in parishes, particularly in certain parts of the country, but when you talk about the catholic vote, you cannot ignore the role of the many members of the hierarchy in our elections and how it has pushed people to believe there is only one issue that is a catholic issue. we also know where the nuns are and there on the bus so, i did
sort of look up, saint joseph put out a wonderful, just keep in mind in 1998 the bishops did put out the seven principal social teachings, care for the vulnerable and the poor, unity, solidarity, human rights and responsibility, the right to food, water, shelter, clothing and the catholic is personally responsible for those rights. the importance of family and faith communities, responsible stewardship, human dignity and the right of workers, all rooted in the common good. including the personal obligation obligation to ensure the rights of others and that is
not something we hear. we absolutely protect which is rights. young latino catholics, if they are caring about that, that's fabulous that's fabulous because so far when you talk about that vote, it has not been the catholic vote, it's been the jewish vote. they hardly ever, 4% say israel matters, actually i just looked at the numbers. the numbers that say social justice is most important is embarrassingly high for catholics, i have to say so, if
young latinos start being those social justice catholics, that's not only a good thing representing the church more thoroughly but keeping the church alive because the the pew numbers on the people who have left catholicism are shocking. 32%, rounding up say they were raised catholic in this country. 32% of all americans and this is that an enormous 35000 person survey they do and out of those, 41% say they no longer catholic peak. only 2% convert. we are losing population if we don't address these issues and i think that is terribly terribly important to keep in mind it is true that we tend to focus in
terms of voting on white catholics and that's for reason. that is they have been the people who have pretty much stayed until mccain and romney because really, if you go back, white catholics voted for nixon, carter, reagan, bush, clinton, bush and then mccain and romney. it was always a group we looked at in the electorate because it appeared to be as they went, so when the election, but of course the last two, that has not been as true. therefore this. therefore in this election, what i would suggest, looking at your numbers, so your last poll, this is before recent developments and your undecideds are way too hi, but really, in the last poll before we started tracking, it was 5138.
white catholic men 33 clinton, 58 trump. white catholic women, 49 clinton, 38 trump. they are tracking at exactly the same numbers as the total poll. from that, what i take is watch white catholic women. forget the men. with that we will take your questions. thank you very much. [applause] >> media questions first from members of the media please. >> i'm jim webster. is it fair to look at the white catholic men split and suggest that they tend to sleep during
the gospels and wake up for the homilies. [laughter] well you know, the gospel used to be in latin and they didn't understand it so, there they are >> i'm russell king. i believe one of you mentioned the platforms and suggested either they're both bad or those no difference, but i strongly disagree on that. in case you don't know, hillary clinton wants to spend several million dollars for planned parenthood in any heroic congressman, every september. you need to look at debbie ww.voting info.net and you'll find that the republicans support the hyde amendment, the democrats want to repeal it. how can you say there's no difference.
>> i'll leave that one to you. [laughter] >> y thank you. >> i did not say there was no difference between the two platforms. in fact, i think it's quite obvious there's enormous differences. what i did say and what is true is that neither party's political platform measure up well with what the church teaches. that is, if we just think about it, it's pretty clear. the whole body of the church's teaching is to be understood as a single harmonious unit for everything from death penalty and preferential option for the poor to opposing abortion and so on and so forth. it's all one full. that whole, unfortunately isn't evident in the platform of either political party. i don't know, so the nature of
the reality for catholics is that we always, in one sense or another have to engage our judgment and inform our conscience to wrestle with these things and make the best choice that we can based on that. >> to give you an example of what i was talking about, is that your commitment is or primarily. [inaudible] your commitment, i was saying that the gentleman's view is very representative of a significant piece of the catholic community, but he does represent the part of the community that believes that the abortion issue trumps every other issue and therefore has made the choice you have made. i think the social justice catholics, some of whom are pro-life as well make the case
that being pro-life not only takes into account what the church teaches on abortion but also what the church teaches about the poor and social justice and this is why we have a running argument among catholics, both in leadership and in the pews. i'm glad you are here to represent that you. it's in the church. that's the argument we have. i think pope francis emphasis, not that that he has abandoned the old church teaching,, but i think his emphasis has been different than what we've come accustomed to over the last 15 or 20 years. >> if i could add one more small thing to that, one of the things that's often overlooked in this conversation is, i'm a pro-life catholic myself. what are the best policies by which we make some progress on pro-life issues. it's interesting that over the last seven years, the abortion rate has gone down.
i'll just leave that out there. >> one quick add-on, it is notable that most of the country, catholics, white catholics, latino catholics agreed today that neither political party represents their views anymore. 60% of white catholics and 50% of latino catholics agree with that statement which may be notable to this conversation. since the bishops have become so much a part of this discussion today, i'm wondering if there are any numbers out there that reflect whether the bishops have been influential among catholics one way or another. do they lead or are there numbers that they show catholics are considering what they say. >> our last numbers, actually where we talked about the bishops and we had bishops, priests and we asked about influence in general. it was around, basically we
found that the pope's influence far outstrips the bishops context. i don't have those direct numbers right in front me, but the favorability ratings were higher and influence was higher in that survey. >> i think you should add a new question at some point, who influences your view, the bishops or the nuns. you might see a very interesting correlation, i suspect. >> i believe his book was called a flock of shepherds which is a great title. >> hi there, i'm a latina, a hispanic, i really don't like the term latina. i think it has political connotations. i am an intentional catholic.
the reason why i am standing up is just a couple of questions. one, how long ago were all of these surveys conducted and, i'm just wondering if you believe that some of the recent developments may have altered the outcome of those numbers to how our latinos being defined in the context of the surveys that you have conducted and just generally, trying to tie everything together, do you generally believe that most catholics, particularly the millennial catholics, and it appears, if i'm reading all of you correctly or interpreting all of you correctly, latino catholics are much more cultural catholics and focused on voting ideology over belief system over the court catholic upbringing and do you think there is anything that can be done to address that and on the issue of social justice, is it an
interpretation by the millennial 's, the young latinas that social justice is something that needs to be addressed by the state or are they believers in the individual personal responsibility that the church does teach with respect to love thy neighbor. i know that's a lot in a couple of questions, but i'm just trying to make sure i'm interpreting or i'm listening correctly to the presentation. >> let me just throw number out and that is, in the catholic, the american catholic church as a whole, only 22% are millennial's which is a shocking number because the millennial population is the biggest population in the country. the baby boomers are at 38%. that's a problem for the church.
whatever the reason for that, that is a problem. the fact that latinos, hispanics, people who descend from the iberian peninsula have many more millennial's in their midst than the church as a whole and that's something that needs to be understood, addressed and in my view celebrated. >> when we take a step back, one of the reasons when you talk about social justice and social equity really relates to young millennial's in general, latino millennial's, they are among the high poverty rate. they literally have 24% live in poverty. when you look at our classrooms today, 51% of k-12 are children of color, disproportionately
they are first-generation immigrants and they are the very first time for 51% of our kids were actually living below the poverty line. when you start take talking about social equity, and they are living it today. they have not, the latino vote is incredibly complex and i don't want to say as a blanket where they are, but for the most part, a, a lot of these children of immigrants have experienced that level of poverty. they are basically seeing their parents working two or three hours, two or three jobs excuse me, working below minimum wage jobs and all the sub may find themselves given that voice and navigating social justice and social equity for their families they don't see it necessarily to the political process. you will see them very active at the local level. they have some of the highest levels of volunteering and giving back and trying to make
sense of what america is because by them simply speaking english, they are expected to understand america. i will throw one tidbit there, in our public school system, only only eight out of 50 states require civic education to graduate and get your high school diploma. it's a national tragedy. if you are expecting a whole generation the leverage of power, they are not. we try to teach and provide information. disproportionately, the young people that are active when it comes to politics happen to be from the dreamer population or they have a family member and that's where a lot of the information that we clean.
they don't see themselves in a church that doesn't reflect them not so i think francis has given them. >> our latest numbers based on 80000 interviews we conducted last year. it shows that latinos are 42% of pat catholics. it is really approaching. to give you a sense of the demographics in the same survey, white catholics under the age of 50, 71%, so that gives you a sense. >> do we know whether the fbi james comey letter has had an