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we need to work to keep social security solvent and we need to provide opportunities for people these are things my opponent doesn't even talk about. we need somebody in congress who's going to represent the people here who knows what it's like for so many families that are struggling and somebody who paid off my student loans last year who paid my way through college with minimum wage jobs and someone who is a single bomb bomb -- mom i know what the face but i want to go to congress and be a voice at the table where we have not had voice before so i hope i can count on your vote on november 8. thank you very much. >> moderator: thank you very much and that does it for time warner cable news new york 24 debate. thanks to john katco and colleen deacon for participating. election day is november 8 to please going to vote. >> moderator: have a great night.
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♪ now journalists on the 2016 elections. panels include gloria borger at "cnn," "fox news sunday anchor chris wallace, charles cook of "the cook political report" and "politico" chief white house correspondent mike allen. from the economic club of washington d.c., this is an hour.
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[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> may i have your attention please? hello? can i have your attention for a moment? thank you. everybody, please quiet. thank you. so i would like to first acknowledge to people who came in after my early acknowledge men's. the ambassador from ireland is here. thank you. [applause] and the state senator from maryland jamie raskin is here. where is jamie? [applause] and the postmaster general megan brennan. she is here now. thank you. [applause] so thank you all for coming. we are going to have a great discussion of who the next
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president is going to be and who is going to control the senate and who is going to control the house. we will have the at the end of this. it made you decide to say which panel. to my immediate left is subnine of course the host of "fox news sunday and among other things he is the winner of three emmy emmy awards but also a spectacular job as the moderator of the third debate so thank you. [applause] and we have gloria borger. glory is the chief political analyst for "cnn." she's previously been at cnbc and cbs and cbs news and you probably see her many hours a day now on "cnn." [applause] and charlie cook who is the founder and editor of the cook puggle report started in 1984 and widely considered the bible of political reporting.
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he is going to tell us who's going to win every single district in senate race. [applause] and sub five who is the chief political correspondent for "politico" and was the editor of playbook and he is widely recognized for his encyclopedic knowledge of politics and government of the assets political socks on that you might show here. can you explain these? a positive are right, so are you selling those as well if somebody wants to buy those? let's deal with the easy part first. if there had been no -- if there had been no action by fbi director comey last friday would
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you say that this election was over? before the events of last friday would you have said the election was over for president? >> no because that's not what i do for a living. i certainly think it was the narrative and that was the consensual wisdom friday was that hillary clinton had a solid steady lead in the polls especially in the electoral college and while i certainly wouldn't have said it was over i think she had a distinct advantage in getting to 270 electoral votes. she was a clear favorite. >> what she has said the election was over? >> i would not have said it was over. it ain't over until it's over but i would have said she had a a -- and the narrative before last friday was that hillary
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clinton probably had her 270 was trying to rack up numbers to have an impressive when an and help the candidates down ballot and make sure she got a democratic senate along with her. the shape of the race was --. >> charlie was over before last friday? >> the first part of last week it looked like the bottom was starting to fall out for a lot of house and senate republican candidates and then i think it came back up, came back up a little bit so that now it is possible for donald trump to win but i think it's still pretty hard they think things changed a lot less in the last week than the conventional wisdom.
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>> before the events of last friday would you say the election was over? >> the biggest change is it gave new wind to senate candidates. until then the first question that any republican senate candidate was asked where there once was about donald trump and now it's not. that's a tremendous advantage. >> today chris would you say it's not impossible and in fact it might be realistic to think that donald trump could win this election? absolutely. i still think you have to say she has an easier path to the 270 than he does and maybe we can get into those numbers later but it has changed. if you look at the polls for he was behind by eight to 10-point he is now behind by three to four or in some places where he was behind by two to three he is leading by a couple and you have the abc tracking poll which yesterday showed him with a one-point lead and today he is at a tie at 45-46.
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i would say in my experience covering politics for years there's nothing that can move faster than a political campaign for the tide is changing. >> do you think donald trump has a chance of winning? >> i do. i think this race if nothing else is volatile and swings and there are fewer number of persuadable voters left. some people say 6% or 7%. i would say the numbers probably smaller than that but i do believe donald trump right now is doing something we haven't seen before which he is staying on message. he has a simple message about hillary clinton. he has given his republican candidates something they can cheerfully talk about which is running against hillary clinton so for the first time in his campaign you are singing from the same songbook here and that
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will help him. and will it be enough? does hillary clinton have some built-in advantages in this electoral college? yes, she does. he has got to find blue states to flip and he is looking for them and he is looking in states like wisconsin. he is looking in states like michigan and at this point, overnight as howard baker used to say overnight is a lifetime in politics and i believe in this race more than any other that is true. >> can i interrupt him to say he is doing something else with this messaging. it's not just about clinton and the fbi e-mails. he started yesterday pending a big picture in terms of obamacare and in terms of trade and undoing nafta and those are the kinds of issues with the open enrollment starting for obamacare with huge increases in premiums and huge increases in the dockable's, those are powerful messages particularly
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in the rust belt states. >> and donald trump when this election? >> i think because both hillary clinton and donald trump and donald trump have such enormous negatives that each one has an effect on the high or the low ceiling which makes anything possible. i think there's a better chance of hillary clinton hitting 300 donald trump pitting 270. >> day that there is no doubt the republicans have a new spring in their step but you look at what's happening in the states and republicans at the top would be very difficult based on infrastructure, the get out the vote that they have in the state but also early voting which makes such a difference. we were chatting backstage about how roughly 25% of the people you expect to vote have voted. 40% of people who have voted before election day.
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it's a tiny step in reminding you of the importance of that and what is science there is to it. john mccain minutes primary this year lost on election day. that is what brooklyn is coming under now. >> i didn't realize this myself until last night when i saw that somebody show. >> "cnn." ladd. >> yeah, "cnn." you can change your vote after you have voted early. can you change your vote for from three or four years ago? [laughter] >> buyers remorse. >> is that i can't hear service? you get your ballot in a change of? >> for you as a concierge. [applause] >> the state of pennsylvania doesn't have early voting but it
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has absentee voting so if you decide that you cast about the wrong way my understanding is you can go into a polling place on election day and say so you don't vote twice, i cast an absentee ballot but can you avoid it and i would like to cast another ballot. donald trump's you saw has been talking about in states where people have voted early you can change your mind. >> two states have the ability to find your ballot? >> i don't know how they do that. >> let me ask you you prepared for the debate obviously very well. when you are preparing the cute give anyone the questions in advance? [laughter] >> no. i knew it would be safe with her. >> when you prepare the questions, do you actually have
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to show them to somebody else? do you to the researcher via people helping you and once you lock in the questions word you hold them? do you keep them in your chest pocket? >> it's funny you are asking the questions and you didn't tell me you were going to ask them. it's a funny story. i got a call from the chairwoman , the executive director on the commission of presidential debates and she said you have the last debate. she said a week ahead of time you have to tell us and we will tell the campaigns what the topics will be. because of the way was was arranged there would be six subject areas and i said who comes up with those? she said, you do. and i'm like -- because i didn't know that. i do know how was run.
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we came up with all the topics and all the questions ourselves. it's almost like the encore hotel in the suite and i was set up with computers with my staff. as we were reworking the questions every day we would take the questions and rip them up and then we were like what to do we do with them because we didn't have a shredder. we literally stuck them in a laundry bag in the back of the closet. we had a looseleaf book with six topics. i would stick it in the wall safe in lock it up so it's never available. >> what is the key to keeping them from talking over you in these debates? >> i will just tell you one quick story in that regard. i have prepared to a tremendous degree the questions for each of the topics and i even have a little cheat sheet on each of
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them with the data points so i could say i didn't say that or that numbers wrong i would be able cited numbers always really well prepared. the day before they said we will take you to the venue and we can work out on the stage which is very interesting because anybody who's been there in person knows it's evidently smaller than it looks on tv. they are cabinet podiums from corner to corner are eight and a half feet apart. you are very close to them and they have two students from unlv and we did a practice debate in the subject was what is your favorite movie? i said all right, two minutes secretary clinton and the woman doing that is the two most persuasive minutes i have ever heard about why shawshank redemption was the greatest movie ever made. seriously she talked about the economy should know i was going
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to ask a question. and i i went to trump and i said what is the best movie and ivana trump like way he said django in chains. unlike what the? then they been taught to enter me in entropy tether and i came away from realizing for all of my preparation was one of the hardest jobs is going to be the seat-of-the-pants decisions you have to make about when you enter when you interrupt and you don't interrupt and that would make or break the debate. >> you guys can talk about that but i was speaking with republicans that were involved in the senate campaign committee and people who are doing analytics and what they said to me after the first debate -- i said what were the turning point in this election and i presume that they would say to me the video, the "access hollywood" videotape was the turning point for the goldstar controversy
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after the democratic convention. i just assumed that was going to be at and both of these folks attending the first debate, the first debate and i don't know if you saw it and what you were looking at but they said the first debate before the first debate one person said to me we gave donald trump's 65% chance of winning and after the first debate it was cut in half. >> the welches got poisoned between the 245-yard line. >> in the republican debates i think there were 13 republican debates in the primary or something like that. in hindsight what should the other candidates have done to be trump and why were they unable to bring out negatives? >> to me marco rubio and chris christie there was no reason to do this because they were
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fishing in a different pond of voters then donald trump plus. the question in my mind is why didn't ted cruz who was fishing in the same pond with the same group of voters why weren't they dishing all this stuff out not just personally but dishing it out to the news media because he would have been the beneficiary of trump collapsing. these books were not going to vote for jeb bush or marco rubio or kasich. >> a common problem is that all of them fail to take seriously enough early enough and they thought they could get away with it and he was going to collapse. >> dated and want to alienate the trump supporter's. >> to me the turning point was right after wisconsin just before the primary and that was a time when ted cruz still had a real chance of beating them and why they didn't drop the hammer, i don't think they would have found all these women but they could have found enough to stop
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it and it would have would have kneecap him. >> one that was at earlier of imagination. like so many people in this room and maybe on the stage they didn't think they had to kill it and this is the idea that you need to drop and handful. the second thing is in chris alluded to this they were just afraid. none of them wanted him to go after them. i did an interview with newt gingrich to the day for "politico" and my kid an interview with newt and he said that newt in a debate donald trump's like that they are in a revenant. he will get you. so marco rubio is leonardo dicaprio? yeah him exactly. >> you could send an unmarked
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envelope to "the new york times." >> they were too busy attacking each other. there were some debates called where the incoming was flying over donald trump's head as they were too busy attacking. he was leading in the polls and that's how you do it. the person who's leading in the polls is in the center and the person who is last is at the end. i recalled the debate, how how could you not recall the debate where chris christie finished off marco rubio. that was a sacrifice. i was going to say suicide bomber. well, he did it and nobody else had to. i think. >> there's a story that rubio said to christy before the debate i hear you are coming after me and allegedly christy said you have no idea.
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>> why did ted cruz at the convention not endorse donald trump and later he did endorse him? who was the thinking by kind not endorsing him and then endorsing him? >> basically assuming that trump was going to lose and collapse and say i told you so and then when it started getting closer and closer and he's thinking about 2020 he decided to do it and i'll bet he wished he would have waited another week or so until after the first debate and he would have not done that. >> for the presidential campaign today which states are most surprising to us on election night? which state would you say is the biggest surprise? >> well, if it's going to be a surprise we don't know but i would say people looking early, florida is going to be a big indicator. if trump loses florida and we
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were talking about when the polls close in the western part of the state in the panhandle if trump loses florida it's over. there's no way he gets to 270. on the other hand if he wins florida we could be headed for significant night. >> the butterfly ballots are gone. the chats. what do you think will be a big surprise? >> i'm not sure. i'm going to look at wisconsin where we have seen trump say he believes it's in play. the republicans believe in this is interesting to me because they're such a diversity of opinions between republicans and democrats. democrats say colorado is not in play, no way they have got it. the -- republicans have said they have got it at a point or two. no idea. >> democrats just wind up with ads there.
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>> exactly so they are looking at the state differently. we have new pulling out today which shows trump up in the fata 49-43 and up in arizona 49-44, up in pennsylvania only by four points. she is up in pennsylvania by double digits in florida is in a dead heat as florida always is. >> let me ask you about bernie sanders for a moment. bernie sanders said famously in the first debate i don't give a dam about your e-mails or something to that effect. was that a big mistake and he said -- if he had said he cared about them would have won the democratic primary? >> i don't think he would have won. i wonder in and whether a 74-year-old independent socialist from vermont was ever going to beat hillary clinton. >> that is a good point. [laughter]
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>> look how close he came at those disadvantages. >> he didn't come all that close because of superdelegates. >> normally if you have somebody who is not in the democratic party and he does so well why would you not choose to run a third party candidate? why would he not choose to have a third-party independent? >> i don't think he wanted to hand the election to donald trump. obviously the third party candidate doesn't go by without those running mate last night i believe one on "msnbc," bill wells went on "msnbc". he said let me make the case for hillary clinton. >> maybe you have some insight on this. chris christie said he was offered the vice presidency. is there any truth to that he was offered a? >> i don't know but there's also a great story that he was
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leaning in the direction of christy and paul manafort and again i'm just seeing the report and i can't verify this manufactured -- if your member trump was in indiana and made up the fact that the plane was broken so trump would have to stay in indianapolis for one day and that would get pens another chance to make the pitch. >> who came in second for. >> kaine: for vice president? >> you and i have talked about this. he was a governing choice. secretary clinton was seeing the vice presidency up so close so many times. somebody who would be very upset if. >> this was a very safe solid day. >> can i give you one data point because i think i shared this four years ago.
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my favorite statistic in this tells you why we are all talking about hillary having an image built and structurally in the electoral map. if you go back and look their 18 states states and the district of columbia which have voted six elections in a row for the democrats. quinton's two elections bush's 22 elections in obama's two elections. six times in a row voted democratic and they had 242 electoral votes which means if he voted democratic she only needs 28 more electoral votes to win. 13 states have voted republican six elections in a row, 102 electoral votes so she starts off with this enormous event. that doesn't include state flight florida or ohio or north carolina or virginia for a variety of states. she starts off with this huge structural advantage of 242 electoral votes. >> you are talking about the
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impact of the comey evidence last friday, the comey news. one thing that i'm looking at is a question of enthusiasm among clinton supporters because we had seen before at the enthusiasm donald trump voters have been more enthusiastic about voting for him than hillary clinton voters were about voting for her. i was starting to equal out towards last week and then came comey. then what you saw in some of the tracking polling and i try not to look daily because it gives me anxiety unless it shows 10 points in of the day which they do very often you do see over period of time now which is days, that her enthusiasm numbers tend to be shifting down. the question that i have been ask is will that mean that some voters will stay home, who say
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say -- will that suppress her turnout and will it make his turnout be more enthusiastic? we don't know the answer to that but that's the looking at that. >> a glass is half-full view for clinton voters is now they are nervous and you won't have the complacency that you did but the turnout one reason that i know charlie talk to republican pollsters and heard something similar. one thing that makes republicans nervous is they discuss the e-mails and investigations, the voter that stays home a suburban more educated higher income voter that exact voter would be hillary clinton roy blunt.
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that voter would be the ticket splitter, hillary clinton and kelly ayotte in new hampshire so there is some worry about that. that's why even though there's the blue wall that chris was talking about there is so much more nervousness in brooklyn and clinton voters for 500 days talk to hillary clinton voters and a number in this room have been calling me and my colleague saying things are fine. now he's calling in saying most things are fine. >> when you do a national poll beneath how many people to do its statistically significant, 800 or so? >> getting down to likely voters, 700 or 800. you start with the base of that. >> do they call people and stationary telephones, landlines or do they call people on cell phones and how to get to people who don't have phones? >> better pollsters and all the
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namebrand pollsters there could be as much as half cell phones. the problem is caller i.d. and its response rate. if a generation ago somebody called you up and said, asked her penny about politics you felt empowered and flattered and today it's interrupting my dinner. the way i would look at it is a live person calling is better than a robo-call and a robo-call is better than the tracking poll because they can do three or four callbacks over couple of days. i think it's a good thing to look at averages but probably the average turns poulsen to commodity and it turns them all alike. some of these are junk. i have to look up and see, go on their web site and see.
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>> on the day of the election we often get exit polls; tv you're supposed to pretend you don't know the outcome of the election. >> would look at the exit polls and they give you an indication on how certain questions are being answered. we don't really know the outcome. i remember when john kerry ran and the exit polls were long at 4:00 in the afternoon. >> here's what they're used for. after the election for speech material to make the points you want to make. a race that you don't know from "time" magazine the week before who is going to win, an exit poll -- an exit poll is not going to tell that. >> at hillary clinton wins what would be the turning point for her if you look back over the last year to have won this election? >> i would say that first debate. >> who would be the turning
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point for her? >> the nomination of donald trump. [applause] i can't top that. suppose i'll trump were to win what would you say is the turning point for him? >> i could be a smart alec and save the nomination of hillary clinton which might actually be true and certainly the comey announcement. >> let's talk about the senate for a moment. democrats need to pick up four seats at if the white house is controlled by the democrats. what do you think is the likelihood that democrats who control the senate? >> which are a leader schumer -- i agree with my colleagues until a week ago it seemed very likely and someone even told him that republicans could lose every race. >> a week ago monday.
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>> now that is not the case. >> a coat either way. >> there are three ways. it's very possible that it's split by a vice president pants or a vice president kaine. >> who is going to win the dash pennsylvania? >> mcginty up a couple of points. he has run a great campaign. he is the better candidate at pennsylvania. >> illinois is over. what about florida? >> rubio will win by four points >> nevada? >> a week and half ago i would have said the republican and now
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maybe not. >> north carolina? >> that's the one that republicans are very frustrated with. remember the old record player that would get 78 rpms and then it was 45 and then was 33 and the number 17.5. [laughter] slow to organize, slow to raise money slow to decide but he has always done it. republicans want to pull their hair out. >> what about missouri? >> that's a tough one. trump is working, somebody said trump was running against evan bayh against roy blunt and there was the whole anti-washington. >> what about indiana? >> i think you'll be close. >> let's talk about bajo -- house.
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>> one means of charlie's answer as to the top of the ticket the republicans have easily half a return to the majority. >> won the bidding to add on that i have never seen a presidential race where you don't have on a stage all the candidates running when the presidential nominee comes to town and they are holding their hands up together and saying let's vote for this ticket with our presidential nominee at the top and support kelly ayotte. we are doing that with mike pence to a degree but you don't have that picture in this race. >> that's a good point. hillary clinton has how many surrogates out there? >> 500. >> who is her most effective surrogate? >> michelle obama. >> who is trump's most affect the surrogate?
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>> might pence and a day or so ago they were together. >> in the house? the republicans have a 38 seat majority. what do you think is the likely outcome of the house? >> republicans lose 14, 15 seats. >> over the last weeks we have gone from 10 to 15 and i think people a dialback but either way the republicans will lose eight. >> in the house of the senate who would you say would be the biggest surprise? is there somebody that will win or is not going to win or vice versa? >> we have seen so much polling now. one thing that is worth noting our editor jennifer duffy is
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noted a lot of times when you get down to the last handful of races the ones that are tossups they never split down the middle. they overwhelmingly go one way or the other. that last gust of wind pushed on the knife edge one way or the other. >> let's say donald trump loses this election. will he concede on the night of the election? >> that's what he said. [laughter] >> if it's 500 votes in florida, maybe not if it's millions of votes in dozens of electoral votes i think you would. >> do you think you will concede? >> it depends on what they see out there. states have automatic recount rules. the state of florida if the margin is less than half of a% you go to automatic recount. that's what happens. now save the word occur.
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in the state of florida donald trump lost so many electoral votes that florida were to become irrelevant then he probably wouldn't do it. i think. >> you think you would concede? >> i think you would recount florida but if there were no shot of him winning the presidency if it's fair everywhere else i think donald trump's put everyone on notice particularly in answering your question that he is not going to say that right now. >> i don't think we are going to hear from many of thus you expect a normal concession speech. >> nobody ever loses. you win or you are cheated. >> i guarantee you he will say
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it's a precise indication of exactly what he's been saying. that single speech in the campaign was delivered by whom? >> i think it was michelle obama's speech. i am going to say it was her speech which was aimed at women voters and younger women in particular after the "access hollywood" tapes came out. >> who gave the most disappointing speech that you thought fell flat? anybody? >> being booed off is not a good thing. let's suppose for a moment hillary clinton wins. who would be the presumptive lead candidate for the republican in 2020? would it be pence, would it be cruz? >> somebody who was not involved
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in this mess. i think the people who have been are so badly splattered. tom cotton of arkansas or the governor of south carolina mickey haley. i would rather see someone who is not. >> i would eventually want somebody who wasn't part i would probably say pants but in the end you might be very well right >> the question is what is the pole for paul ryan? you have the speaker of the house who cannot say his name. he talks about trump is the nominee but he has a very difficult time. >> let's suppose trump wins who
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is the leader of the democratic party going forward? >> that's a good question and one of the reasons he didn't have much of a primary race on the democratic side there were a lot of credible republicans i would differ but you could say andrew cuomo or something like that. >> presidentially i don't know but i think schumer is going to come out of this as the presumptive leader of the party. >> but presidential. >> i think paul ryan has to make the decision from the get-go does he want to be part of government or run for nomination in? i think you will decide to govern. i think the senate will be more functional with a mitch mcconnell chuck schumer relationship as opposed to harry reid. on the republican side house republicans have to decide if they want to legislate or do
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they want to investigate and i think half of them will want to investigate. >> cotillard consumer to win the election with a supreme court nominee that president obama proposed would be approved in the lame-duck and would tpb be approved in a lame-duck? >> a lot of republicans say they will stand firm. >> i would say not in the lame-duck but early next year. >> i never thought i'd are you saying this but i think he has a better shot at getting confirmed. >> how do you think the press, the media and the broadcast will cover the next election differently than they covered this one? do you you think they'll learn anything that they can improve upon or did they do a great job and they don't need any changes?
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>> chris i will let you take that. >> the answers we will make mistakes but --. >> the media could not do a worse job this year. i really believe that. [applause] i think early on basically cable news handed over their airwaves to trump and begrudgingly added bernie and hillary so they take a free ride for a long time and maybe were not as aggressive in helping you speak to the fire during the primaries and during the debate as they should have. in the last month or so it's like watching a badly refereed basketball game where we are seeing makeup calls and particularly -- and i'm not a trump defender at all but going after trump in ways that i think violates every candidate. i completely agree with that.
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just look at the adjectives in the news stories in an "new york times" and "washington post." one of them talked about trump working into something. that's a verb. >> we cannot debate the role of the media and we will and i think we all need some time to get through this election and then take a look back at it which would be useful. the one thing i will say about donald trump which i think is a lesson to a lot of people running for office which is if you make yourself available to the press, the press will interview you and i recall during the primaries when jeb bush talked to us frequently the answer is no because he was behaving like a front-runner who didn't have to speak to the
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media. you will know this because you are booking people on shows. the thing that donald trump did which serves to his advantage and this is not to say he did something wrong but he put himself out there. but now donald trump hasn't had a press conference since i believe sometime in july, the end of july and there was a guy who would talk to the press anytime all the time. things shift and hillary clinton was talking in the press. >> i would respectfully disagree. i think he is used infusions of sodium pentothal. i think this was about ratings and allowing them to phone in. you could phone in the shows before. >> hillary clinton started to phone in.
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>> as they were allowing him. >> what role will bill clinton have in this administration? >> if the answer is i don't know i assume you'll have a substandard policy. >> maybe not upfront that he will be an emissary. he would be very effective in the west wing or the east wing office. probably both. >> i would say if elected president hillary clinton should try to get him a job as a lecture on a cruise ship. >> at donald trump like to present you think donald trump would be disappointed by the
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quality of camp david air force one and the white house? do you think you'll be okay facts. >> if hillary clinton is elected who do you think will be chief of staff in the white house? >> actually they ever were a problem because a lot of people you normally thought of as tainted by the e-mails and all of that, i don't think -- you will hear names and speculating. >> tom vilsack. who would be stat -- if john podesta is elected who would be chief of staff? >> donald trump. >> what time on election night do you think we can go to sleep? >> depends.
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if florida goes -- goes for clinton it's over early and he began to see the states ohio going for trump and ford are going for trump it could go on. >> i don't know about you but we are on the air until 3:00 a.m.. >> i think we will know at midnight. we knew about obama at 9:00 p.m.. >> nevada is the only late state five with nevada still out there. >> anything that can happen between now and election day that could change the election? >> do expect the fbi director to come up with a more definitive answer on anything? >> my gut says no.
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>> i don't know. they are repeating the e-mails. you must have a program whether they are duplicate e-mails so i think maybe and maybe it's not on that front. this campaign has been a surprise a minute. how many days do we have left? six days. >> are we likely to see and hear good news for clinton this week? it seems to me there's a greater downside risk than upside risks just because it's a fine -- we will hear a sooner and if they haven't found it they are probably still looking, maybe. >> whoever selected do you think they can effectively govern given this campaign and the division with congress or do you
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think it's difficult to get anything done? >> i think they can. it's interesting they are couldn't have been a more contested election in 2000 with george w. bush decided by the supreme court in coming down to 500 votes in florida. their reaction afterwards was if you when you get the mandate would you do or not and to begin a successful first year. >> i think hillary clinton should pay for republicans senate. republicans senate would hope or constrain her on but even more than that it will be a vote for left-wing. >> which individual is not running for president can enhance his or her reputation the most? >> elizabeth warren certainly did with progressives and the democratic already. she became a star on the campaign trail for democrats.
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>> i think if elected hillary clinton will hasn't -- have as many problems on her left is on the right. the two things that make me less pessimistic would be number one is better to have a president who will speak with members of congress without having his arm broken. i think the schumer mcconnell relationship will be a functional one. those are two that might make things work. >> was the biggest flop in terms as her reputation so low that they couldn't possibly recover? anybody who will come out as a loser in this campaign, surrogate, anybody else? >> wilshire and i think the people who waffled will
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eventually pay a price. >> if you have another presidential campaign and you will you do another campaign? >> god willing. >> i think i have to. >> the day after. >> another campaign? you know who my father was. >> thank you all for great conversations. [applause] >> thank you.
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>> most of us when we think of winston churchill we think of sending young men into war but no one knew better and few knew as well the reality of war, the terror and the devastation and he said to his mother after her second work, he absolutely knew the disaster that war was.
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>> he said give me a regiment. i want to go i want to fight so he ends up going with a regiment on the day that it fell to the british and he takes over the prison and he frees the men who were his fellow prisoners. he puts in prison his former jailers and he watches at the flag is torn down and the union flag is put in place. today policy analysts and researchers with the cato institute debated the question, should libertarians vote and discuss how to promote libertarian ideas. this hour-long debate took place at the cato institute's offices in washington d.c.. >> good evening.

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