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a wire in case russia has them wired up. >> we believe it of that with the meeting today at the white house what about if you were a fly on mobile blacks. >> with love that it would be awkward more so for barack obama who said repeatedly that of traub is unfit for president. but barack obama we need this month so basically you love to give tumors of the warehouse to his wife and hit it broke be awkward no doubt. but obama had and mockingnext y and next year donald trump
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will give the speech. >> the editor in chief at the hill.com. follow him on twitter. thanks for being here. >> ailey's enjoy being on c-span . .
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had she also walked out of the white house with vice president gore and president clinton and with this conundrum about transition and started planning even before governor bush announced he would run for the white house that is part of the reflection of then governor bush of that commitment the that longstanding personal commitment to not only walk into the building with
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george w. bush but also a different part of the presidency with the omb but he was deputy director. he is the management of the management and budget never assayed twist with the chief performance officer and i will let her talk about that and also the executive director of the transition planning group for obama that means they started one way before he was the presumptive candidate and whose job was to make sure they knew what they would be doing now he is midway through a the demonstration he is locked out of the building on his own into the executive branch rickey is deputy secretary of labor if
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you know anything about the agency they are the ones to make the building one. that is their job to make scheerer that the ambitions of the secretary and the president are the actual output of the agency. so let's just start but what i plan to do ask questions and beach individual but of we can comment because they all have similar experiences you'll walk into the building where your person was just a candidate and now president elect you walk into the building and what i would like you to do is think back to the end of the second week not the first week in the result of this
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circumstance but the second and ask yourself if you could only drawback to week experience what would you tell your successor that will lead help them walking into the building with more confidence and strength? >> of course, of what to say thanks for having me here and also to the of bush library to make this possible. we talked about this budget you what to come in with the very clear plan and road map of what you want to do. the first week does have pulled in circumstance but executive orders and during that time period he said the tone very quickly. so you want to know when you walk in the door we knew what was happening on dade number-one it was very special actually but then have a very clear plan but
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be willing to be flexible the gesture trying to be proactive but hopefully the next president will have a honeymoon period it is a remarkable time you don't want to squander that you want to take advantage of it also you know what will happen so you have to be agile enough. >> and to expand that comment to take charge of the of president you want to be to be confident that you would be able to be in the first couple of weeks. with those communications or legal things would never
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would you want to do? one of the things that could be a risk or opportunities in ways like it has ever bent. so a candidate for the presidency needs to think how prepared do i want to be to deal with the threat to our country or a health risk quest? or what a key area how will brief to want to be more the potential circumstances to i want to be pdf to make sure that happens? the key is that should not be a variable with the
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kennedy for president today what type of president to they want to be those first two weeks? then they say that amount of time between now and then but time is measured. how many people are working on this? but if you have 303, m i devoting the resources to add more days to the calendar by adding more people to be prepared in those key positions to know i have a lot accomplished but now for those that might
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but that is the given for the first two weeks painted to 81 to start governing is that where is the bathroom parks so use those-- the best that you can so when you do what can the door you can immediately set the tone that you want some mechanism to really 77 days for the president-elect said you did not start thinking about the transition on election day. you save months ahead of time but however many people
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but will be for the candidate obama had even wrapped up the democratic nomination we understood the importance of planning in a very comprehensive way with a really unique experience of many of those decisions except that presidency the matter how great the planning is have to be prepared for the unexpected. in the spring of 2008 with a different policy groups education, health care, environment or economy
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but as the financial markets are imploding all of the work on the economy takes over everything else. behalf to be planning also nimble as well. >> planning is partly about the people to but it is also about the ambitions themselves. to throw away the ability to pet it to a crisis that is unexpected but the but people have a hard time with is that the president could
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say something is on fire and it is improving afford not to. by have to do this other thing. the ability to pay to a crisis depends upon the fact of the notion that that depends upon and matters to him so it isn't what will we do the first couple of weeks to give a speech on this topic of a number for bottles so where is the president's agenda corrects how was this already organized a that we know what we're doing because now i've to focus on when nobody was expected. that is part of the transition as well. >> if we set that as the
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objective where does that fit into the? and what they are familiar with but those that to they are drawing and in their not clear their ambitions or had you know, with the president needs from washington or the campaign? >> i was the appointments%
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that is the texas but in but you decide who to recommend tune me to do the work we want to get dandelion governor or president. what is. >>guest: to do? so he did talk about politics in the political environment. but what were. and the but what do you want them to prove and movie.
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>> what has this administration done with parks and wildlife, hhs are we going south or north star but then what type of person is best suited? a suggestion -- expert quick somebody who is associated but what type area looking for a?
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but looking at that map he'd do 10. and and and -- ways to get around purpose masked but then also looking at the correct found but the charge was make sure we don't do anything stupid. publicly. of selected would recommend people but that did not come
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from them but they were background check of people that did to be except apple. -- except double the starting of what food area looking for what is best qualified so with a very clear charge for the person that's best qualified to so you describe it as if the church describes the person but what type of job is that
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until? it is all within the context of what is an issue get through to define that i will tell you pet there is a fair test said but what is the policy people suggesting that labor refocused on the next 34 years? of course is he used to that is to make you were not given 80 but you are
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affecting the obama transition and those the better you telling those people they are the possy people to have the "in-depth" understanding of what it is like to ibm part of the employment trees but there is no way you'll be all the qualifications to be assistant secretary in training. for those people go to work only because syria people joined transition teams we were very clear that.
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would we put together a transition team weaver very clear that they were thrilled. so practically speaking and tune your point to some degree ppv will prove themselves. they do agree job all of us transition team but then they are thought of to look at the deputy secretary for the department of justice. >> did you start with a profile with the obama team? >> use said this earlier we had our transition team so
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in a june lot and the individual agencies to learn and said much as they could very quickly since david b. the whether it was a regulatory or legislative budget issue. we chose people who had previous different experience. >> sucked talk about the of balancing of the campaign but why is it.
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it is not that he tried to keep them separate but is for those who are on the campaign is is easier and they should not be in the new ford but if there is a moment's death day are auction different. there are some wonderful campaign people that transition something for him and and then to planted in the initiation. >> but also looking at a place, there is a key of appointments of the two but
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we say that the president makes the appointments and a personal make the disappointments. [laughter] so how do you discipline somebody but you never tell senator so and so that they will not be the king of the country. but you say you say our constituents took the negative but what to say i am very interested in your qualification so we hope you will hang tight but there
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isn't a different rule that be so your senior communication people your policy people we need them. and to challenge what do you do with and it is incredibly important film. with a huge part of his or her life so try to translate that skill is tough. >> did not know how many there are but hell many so-called schedule c is? it is transeventeen hundred. thises of lower-level with
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very key areas throughout the government so of person can doubt in akron ohio is generally an ideal person this person over this person also they are not expecting to be a secretary for nuclear defense. [laughter] so just about everybody campaigning but over the years you might say how about this? or you may not know what this is at the time but the
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key is you are not trying to fill the positions by get the work done and the first death in that direction whoever is qualified to get that work done. >> so the work that you are doing is the agenda? but first you figure out your parties to do the cabinet quickly but you want to think about to have the goals that they said on the campaign. what we do but one of the challenges for the senate confirmed positions prefer in terms of the cooperation
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believe one thing but where you can just a point some day. >> but it inevitably he -- ernest it is his -- peace but they will, perhaps up so you really do have people that are lined up one. >> just an example can do the work crack's we want to get back. >> the senior member of our administration.
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will he knows housing, certainly transportation because he was chairman baton what do we want the secretary of imagination. >> touchdown. that he is well-regarded in congress but what drove that primarily is the nature but what they suggest is the primary strength but the
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airline and the structure is not bush's primary policy objective. maybe 39 of 13 with the list of things that our important to him and his campaign. heidi you decide to somebody who is obviously not in the cabinet. rehash to fill applied to. >> we could fill out the entire process once he is secretary. review june as the use signed up to fight over the thief will then but the
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issue and he sheehan town but we are good friends now. [laughter] and then to say i saw. >> but never as recommended this to the president. nobody cut demand say you
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have to agree with those 15 people with 17 to ofs but is ahead of preferred perspective from last night or with the relationship. but she believes that is the right thing be she is hell is simple the you will be happy if you can agree but to be significantly more successful.
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but just like we did. relations so they feel pressure everybody on their team. nine aimed nameless. but every single one of them . we said they will be the secretary of agriculture for the mistakes of america. or the united states of what ever. this will not work. >> we both have to agree so it is harder to do it that way.
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but to find out where those direct reports are to always be extremely well qualified but you never met your direct reports before? no thank you little taken with the job. >> maybe he says i will take that job. >> just to add another factor is diversity. for those to bring a variety of expenses i think it is critical if you look for
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those that don't just come not the typical washington establishment to be sure there are jobs for which specialize experiences necessary for your head of the faa. into some level of politics. >> is diversity something you would expect? so this attitude so with uh bunch of groups with different interests and diversity with the way to do business because it is the
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exceptionally big tent and the republican party is one voice articulating one position did this seem like that to you crack. >> no. the president said by the way one month and to this, once a month tell me how we year doing on various types of diversity, by ethnicity or gender or washington insiders or different ways because if it is only in the usual suspects you only get the usual federal government.
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the more diverse a group of people then but to say tell me how that compares to the prior administration. so we talk about washington inside the beltway. . .
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>> is that something that gets decided before? >> president elect obama said he wanted an administration that reflected america. there was no specific quota. it was just every study that's been done on this in the context of the organizational dynamics, the more diverse set of views that decision will be. >> i don't think it is democrat versus republican. it's about a well-managed organization.
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>> the policy agencies, is that a concern or is it just about their policy expertise? do you sit down and look at this group and say they are going in the labor department and all just one kind of person that has a stronhave a strong union backd for example. >> you want someone that knows the act and the needs are greater at that point. transportation may have been 13th at the top of the agencies based on this agenda but they
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are making 11 part in decisions. the agenda you never know when something is going to come up. as the folks know it's devastated the gulf coast for three or four months and we nominated and confirmed the secretary of energy who is a physicist and nobel winning physicist didn't have the lead in the response of the effort on
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staff who then got details down there and could actually help define the mechanism. but that falls under other but it's a luxury which is why you want to get the best people on your team. i'm not looking for the best people to do the best work. we did predict that going in and it turned out plan 9/11 hit it would be led by extremely
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knowledgeable. it's not one of the most effective cabinet member who was the republican congressman from illinois and i'm not sure anybody would have said at the outset there's 12 or 14 term republican congressman. it might be effective. >> can you talk about the dema demand? the thing that you think about.
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is that an advantage among those people that you think would do a good job here one of them is actually a democrat. when the candidates sitting around throws that issue i can tell you this may not go down well. >> can you talk about how you decide that you have been assigned this responsibility, you've taken care of transition and now you have a job for three or four years and you decide
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that it's time to go do that job hell do you make that decision? >> we've had a multitude of different jobs in the administration. i do think there is value moving throughout the government. there are high-level project managers and it hope helps to he expertise in that area. you can use those people all throughout the government. >> every one of these people made the decision at some point to leave the white house to go
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to the federal government. the positions were filled for the first time and he said they want you to think about going out and get another role to make sure you don't get burned out. i said that's great. i bring a message to matt ness and there is a lot of mad at us and the federal government so there is a method called for.
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>> i haven't worke >> i haven't worked on labor issues except i have a passion for what the department of labor does. it was hard for me to see a noble way to spend my career to work with a dynamic secretary of labor a lot of people are reading about these days and will work on hard challenges. i have spent most of my career as a political person but what i lacked was true medical experience. you're the ceo of a massive organization and that means the budget and the nuts and bolts of an organization and that is a
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challenge i wanted to take on but i was given the opportunity. >> is about peace and prosperi prosperity. most of the work of the government is done in the agencies that there's a lot of folks that come into the white house and think i don't want to go anywhere else but i encourage them to. you can actually really make a difference in those jobs. >> because the president asked. >> it was similar. i went initially to work on the initiative but it was a
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management position because the president asked. >> is there a point which you sit down and say on election day we have these 12 things. we succeeded in moving that forward. somebody has to make sure the radar is still working and that isn't a terribly thing but it's an important part of the government.
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we are replacing the president's agenda but there's still a lot that we need to do as opposed to want to do. somebody still has to do these things and that is an important part of the agenda. how do you keep doing that every day knowing that there is a time that it's going to run out and you need to be preparing for next generation if there's going to be another democratic administration. two of you are democrats and have been in that situation where there's going to be a successor. at the problems that are faced in the labor or management regardless of the party.
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given the gridlock in washington you never have the point where you say i got everything done. so you will keep trying to push your agenda forward but future presidents to learn given the dynamic in washington the agenda with your agencies will be the agenda of the administration. there is the ability to get the government passed that would be challenging so the billions of dollars that grant money to the federal government, the multitude of regulations and initiatives that drive to government agencies is the
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accomplishment of what the white house is trying to push. or in the end of the administration the list of things that we checked off. we got health car healthcare pat was an accomplishment. we got a climate change treaty that we have done significant changes in admissions of motor vehicles and trucks. you can either go about it or get ten regulatory changes.
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>> it's not an on and off switch. you continue through the administration and i think that even when the vice president was running for president the administration was still working very hard to accomplish all the things president clinton had promised. then to the other part of your question you have a discrete set of people that are working on a transition and so it is not an either or. >> is that an important thing? >> if you want to get anything done, here is a statement for
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you. here is another one. the primary reason any government in the world doesn't work to satisfaction is because they don't govern with desired outcomes in mind and there is little transparency about how well they are performing relative to the goals they do have. that is the case of every country and every state. their outcome oriented and tied to the money that is available and it's not in any specific time frames. it's hard to govern if you have specific goals and make it transparent in how you are performing relative to those.
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>> the president of shaw remain nameless but in his next state of the union to say here's where i want to be held accountable. here's what i want to be accountable for in six years. you could have heard the explosion you've got to be kidding me you're not serious. maybe it is too big of an idea
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for something like the federal government, but the essence of that is why do government the gs don't work better because there is no . here's what we want to do and what we need to go faster on and so forth and there is no transparency to that. >> you get asked the question why do we want to make it well known what isn't working in the federal government, did you ever take an eighth grade civics class like democracy and wonderful things happen, that's what that is. we've got to figure out how to bring more sunlight to what people are trying to accomplish and when. mountains move when that happens. the presidents management
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agenda, bush 43 defined outcome goals on the quarterly basis of the evaluated agencies how they are performing relative to those goals and issued a scorecard yellow or green. agencies celebrated when they got to green and it was incredible but congress resisted because it is harder for them to be members of congress. you can't get bridges to nowhere if you have goals to deal with. there is very little in what we accomplish going on in the federal government. and particularly not in the public passion where did you believe that you'v you're doingt you set out to do.
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>> [inaudible] i said it had been viable. >> i am a believer that the administration agency has the best effort but i'm not convinced there's one effort. the traditional way the schoolhouse rock version is you get them passed and if that is your version you will be waiting a long time and there's other ways to move the agenda forward. how much do you depend upon if you are setting aside the team, ththat team is satisfied to help prepare the next administration. is the team mostly the political
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people you brought with you that represent the agency in person or the civil servants that face ththese day in and day out regardless of the parties and administration. is it possible to sit down and say president obama has a long list of goals and the department of labor that we have yet to accomplish to fight for those every day until the day that we walk out of the building and the responsible decisions that have to be made to help the next administration get ready we belied the professionals in the transitions to the new administration's regardless of the party. >> i don't think that it's either or i don't think that they are running through the tapes until january 20 and they are binding thbigger binding thd
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doing this. regardless of who is my successor, regardless of the party, i have a lot of things i want to talk about. what we need to realize is what happens in the vast majority of the government happens regardless. there is the broad agenda and priorities in terms of the programs that we administer and you just want them to work as well as they possibly can. >> any administration in the last six months but tried to launch initiatives better be prepared to fail at that because it's not going to happen.
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in my mind of the important thing is the white house and the agency leadership agree on what are the priorities how we are going to run the business the next six months so basically we would all agree they are not going to try to get a new bill passed or cut this thing in half because that just isn't going to happen. so you get agreement and it's impossible because they just don't understand it. second, because the standard for handoffs between the outgoing and incoming administrations have been sent so high, your
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objective viewpoint because of the work by obama coming in and british going out, they have to live up to and are mindful to that. and the agencies, the primary responsibilities for welcoming the new team is the career sta staff. they should get the senior career people who are going to lead this effort and say let's talk about what the priorities are to be into the well organized welcoming strategy and
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here's the information we are putting together and you've are in charge and then they are highly motivated. they want the new bosses to like them so they will make that the best welcoming party and get them up to speed at a fast pace because then their agency will benefit from that. >> six months from january 20, 2017. in your agency have you had this conversation? >> it's not to say that we won't continue pushing agendas or setting the table for the next administration of priority as we help them implement but that's what are the longer-term
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transition issues. we are going to turn the question over to the audience. talking about the transitional leadership of the goal or the idea whether it is the elected administration it seems to me the gridlock is because the leadership in congress talking about both the house and the senate so is there any attention paid to that?
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it seems to me if i were president, which i will not be, i would want my guy as much as possible to be in charge of the senate and in charge of the house that i recognize that that has some problems in itself. >> they have no control or influence on that. so in other words, that is part of the environment, it's not a part of president feels like meddling in the legislative branch. george w. bush, governor of texas charge to you isn' isn't y to figure out how to get rid of the leadership in the house and senate.
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the way the congress looks is bs the way to congress books and you have to deal with that as an issue. it's not something that . >> it's set up to be independent. >> and early on after either election day you set up between the president elect and the congressional leadership whoever he or she may be. you try as hard as you can to form good relationships and find areas of common agreement that becomes more challenging in the political dynamic that we have right now. >> it becomes more than normal from the unusual. is there any thought that there would be more continuity of the same people regardless and that mamaybe a staggering of taking over do you think that is something that would be considered in the future.
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they turnover every two years and they run all the same agencies. they kept them as political positions but i think that there've been 160 or something. so there is recognition of the opportunity but i don't know if that hasn't been done. >> there's nothing democratic or
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republican about homeland security or national security and i think having everyone turnover on one day creates ri risk. >> the country of australia when there is a new administration that comes in, the jobs change people. in the united states it's 4,000. >> the director is a political appointee in a fixed term so as a consequence, he's still standing there in the administration. >> aren't most regulatory
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boards? >> there is a fair amount into the recognition that we need a central bank working to be in place and so there may be some vacancies but they are not . they don't all leave. >> [inaudible] >> he said please stay in place and tell your people to stay in place until someone comes and stands down. that is not an unusual practice, but it is possible to do that.
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>> it wasn't until i had the privilege that i understood the process. so i came from the private sector and had an opportunity to serve president bush that i will tell you it was at my expense to relocate, and it was a long process to go through the security clearance fbi checkpoint and you don't have any security in your job whatsoever, so i came first-term and hoped he got to second term and we did. i was one that got to make changes from one department to another but i want people to know that it's quite a process from an appointee plaintiff be a and what you are changing in your life, so i didn't come necessarily from the political campaigning even though that isn't how i was known and recommended because the positions i have never private
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sector independent a community so it is quite something to recognize those that put forth the service for all americans. so i want to say thank you to those of you that have a critical role finding people like myself who never dreamed that we would have the chance to work for th the president of the united states. >> i think you touched on an important topic leaving aside to pay i spent a career hoping i would never havtheywould never h the senate confirmation. i had a smooth confirmation but you are opening up to a lot of people. i wrote a column for the school
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newspaper and they asked me to get a copy of every single column i had written 30 years ago. they looked through my social media and one thing i confirmed because the department of labor regulates every company in the country that's right imagine doing that in 2008. you make a lot of personal and financial sacrifices and that is a disincentive for people serving. >> in the bush administration, we put a letter up in the appointed position and it was scary.
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it was everything that occurred in your life when it becomes known. so we wanted to say make sure people have an understanding of what they might be getting into. i called the head of the personnel in bush 41. look at this thing and you have to read this before you go in. [inaudible] [laughter] >> all the leadership is about getting people to do sacrifice and the amazing thing is the people willing to sacrifice to
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serve. >> people say to you thank you for the service to the country. it is a great privilege and challenge. >> how big is the transition team and how is it formed? >> in bush 41 it was one person. then january, 2001, there were
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600 people. you all had hundreds of people and i suspect by the end of . we had 60 or 70,000 apply electronically. you all have 400,000 people. we must have had overall 8,000. >> asked one point it was just one person and it starts with
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just one person. >> at some point he says figure it out. >> and that was a year and a half before the election. >> at some point he says figure it out. there are those in the institutional memory the first thing i did is go back and talk to jim johnson who ran the transition who included this
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compendium and the challenge that we face is we are drawing on two transitions that had never been implemented so you can do all the planning you wa want. having someone like john podesta gives an incredible level of expertise. sorry we're out o we are out of. maybe you can ask your question and then we will . >> the confirmation process is broken and in the transition this is so important.
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is there any effort to reach out to the senate majority leader and senate minority leader to agree on what the rules might be and how do we get the appointee in faster than we are able to do now? they drive them out of work and they want to get 400 people. there needs to be 15 but the senate doesn't expand their capacity to and if they don't
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expand bears and the intelligence department and the state department eightfold flow through the process. so there've been general discussions expanding the capacity but it's got to take place again this year with the fbi and senate leadership. you've got to start with what their goal is in defending me to sit down with the senate and the fbi and so forth. we are going to be spending twice as many as we do during these months. how can we work together so that's going to get hung up in the shop. even in the best of all worlds the senate doesn't move very fast. it's a body that runs on
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unanimous can vent that means if any senator wants to block something they can hold the senate off and if you try to move through as fast as you can if one raises his or her hand and says i don't want this person to go through. >> i'm talking about before it even gets to a vote. at this point in time when one or another could win, could there not be some sort of an effort to make an agreement between the two senate leaders between how they are going to limit the things getting in the way. and i recognize that it's by
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unanimous consent but it wasn't always so. it was sent up and confirmed that afternoon. it's not impossible. we've gotten into a situation where it seems it is neither in the democratic or republican interests. >> it is also the senate prerogative. we worked on an initiative to streamline a paperwork part of it to fill out so many different forms and you could ask in three different ways. even trying to get that through is a challenge.
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>> that's irrelevant if they can't invent reasonable period of time and conduct a separate practice. athe capacity has to be consistent with the volume of the potential nominations in the white house. >> i want to go back to the point about what is broken in washington and you said it's not in the senate's interest and i agree that it may be individual senators and trust and that's
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the problem with the congressman and it is the individual member versus what is good for the institution and the country
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