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yourself some applause for being faithful book fair supporters. i would like to encourage any of you who are not fans of the book fair to please join because there are programs all year long. this is not the en end of the bk there. it's an ongoing activity. i would like to come as i said, keep things on track so i'm not going to take another minute. i'm going to move very quickly to our program. we are pleased to start today with two trailblazing women. dana perino, who you have come to see as an author is going to be interviewed by jackie. she was also a trailblazer. she went to new york in 1992 as the first hispanic person to ever be tapped to anchor a news program, network news program. we are very glad she returned home to south florida where she
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had anchors channel six, nbc six news. she has won four emmys in this position. she also serves on the board of the university of miami and numerous other charitable organizations. so please welcome jackie, and she will be introducing dana perino. jackie? [applause] >> thank you. good morning. are you having a good time so far? anyway, it's really an honor to introduce our next guest, and she is a wonderful author, two books now. it's girl power to the max, right? i love it or dana perino was the first woman to serve press secretary for republican president. if he met a resume, if you read wikipedia you know that. that's a fact and huge accomplishment. whenever you're the first in anything.
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she's one of the most popular posts on fox. she's a "new york times" best selling author and an estimate with another book called tonight and happens of millions, billions of followers on social media. is anything she cannot do? that is major that agreement never met an oppressive. in is a woman who knows what she wants and will not settle for anything until she gets it. i'm told she's just a couple of wearing a pair of boots as she is in a pair of pumps which is she's wearing today. she once famously complained to her girlfriends that there were no good single men in washington, d.c., so rather than settle, she imported her husband from britain. okay, that's not the whole story. she actually met him on a flight but i digress. we have a. we have a friend in, who happens to be a white house correspondent for fox news. his name is kevin and he told me that dan and husband peter of one of the most grounded genuine people you'll ever meet with -- which is a testament to good judgment and a very good luck. she also really, really, really
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really loves her dog go so much she wrote a book about america's dog, jasper. it really is about friends, family, politics and, of course, just the. she's only five to, that's what it says on wikipediwikipedi a. she tells her she's a feisty bush is a true giant in the media landscape. ladies and gentlemen, dana perino. [applause] >> thank you. >> future mic. >> hi, dana. >> thank you for having me spent it's a pleasure especially because nothing is going on and what a politics especially, right? student council in nothing. >> let's talk about the book because before there was a jasper there was harry -- >> henry. >> that's right, henry. he also help you through
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difficult times will tell us about that about the. >> thank you so much for coming today. it's a pleasure to be the idea the publicity tour for george w. bush, and his book decision points are never imagined i would have an opportunity to come as an author myself and some really grateful for the opportunity and that everybody came this morning. so henry was my first dog i own as an adult. my husband and i got him in scotland when we lived there but it's true i met my husband on a plane. and we moved to england but we both wanted a dog. whenever have even known about that breed. we found out about them in switching on the trip we took and i fell in love with these dogs. so henry the recent deal between difficult time in abou with here this book because of a natural long form writer, the first book in the good news is that was i thought it was the only book i
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would write in a book that was a chapter about dogs. because i love dogs and wanted so much to include that part of my life in the book but it needed, i needed to cut it down. like a bad the dog chapter and the editors and i promise you want to do will be a dog book. now we have this one. in writing this one of the things he always has me do on first draft is his response is more. remember wiki to write that on the bottom of your paper, more. what does it mean? i had to be deeper and he willing to share more. what i realized about with henry was i was 26 when i got to be i just left working on capitol hill. i was married which was pretty, i get married at a fairly young age for my group. when i was 26 i was living in england the i've never even met the george w. bush. i ended up, we left them lived in san diego for the readers. 9/11 happen.
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i come back to washington and to work with the justice department and end up at the end of those features as the white house press secretary. then remove from their up up to new york and worked on a show called the five for fox news. henry was with me all of those times. when you have a companion like a piƱata for the loved one as a human or a dog, i think it was a nice cup of kevin said we were granted people. one of the reasons peter and i have such a strong marriage, that we do secret is that we have found they shared affection for our pets and i thin think mt people call cente senator feel e same about the doctor 67% of americans of the household pet, and one of the things i found in terms of finding common ground with people who might not want to talk to republican like in manhattan, like when i go to the dog park in central park in
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manhattan, i have some rules in the book about dog park rules both for humans and for doctor dogs can't sit down and humans cannot talk about work or politics. >> was your husband arrested speak with my husband was arrested. there's a story in your comment there is. these are photoshop. that was henry. peter was arrested essentially after walking henry off leash in washington, d.c. he got a ticket and the story is pretty funny because over criminal session of america something here from both the right and the left. this was a good example. this is a tag with a bureaucratic nightmare. the address to which to sen sena ticket if they picked he tries three times at this point he's a newly minted u.s. citizen. he tells the ongoing have my day in court. i said i don't think that's a good idea here britain and america have a lot of similarities. the legal system is not one of
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them. sure enough it had to go to the operation clean slate which required an entire day in different jail cells including leg shackles at one point in washington, d.c. i was in the white house. i was the and press secretary. he said i have seen the movies, i know my rights. i get one phone call. officer smith did not want to give them a phone call. he said i know my rights. he calls the white house. he wasn't on the white house might come spring out of scheppach you want to let me know i need to hire a dog walker vegas and he was going to be at home all day by himself. i was in the oval office and carlton was a system who picked up the phone and he said which are likely to interrupt? no, not a good idea. i was in the oval office and there was a meeting, i checked my blackberry, not good manners in a meeting that i check my blackberry and his ms from carlton business. hold, he said you might want to get the dog walker to come
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today, this morning and probably in the afternoon. and i thought that jerk has been arrested. >> you knew right away. >> i knew he would end up in jail. he almost had to stay the night because is getting so late in the evening. finally, when he saw the judge the judge apologized and said you should never have been you. peter said he held up his medical leg and said i had an interesting insight into the u.s. judicial system. >> he wears it a code of honor. >> there are a lot of great illustration in your book. mount rushmore. that's classic. >> we will scroll through these on the screen. social media can kind of be administered as one wonderful thing about social media. i met the artist through twitter. we became friendly because i tend to overshoot about my dog,
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both on the show and social media. this artist got a kick out of jasper. he's got one little sure if any of the. very expressive dog. he would photoshop adjustment to all different things. when they were talking about baywatch. later that day there's a photograph of jasper as i said what's that guys name? who was the star of baywatch lacks hasselhoff. >> talus, from henry came jasper. >> i love the reaction. this is a photoshop of jasper waterskiing. i think what the funny about this is in many of these pictures before there was a book that were now close. i told the artist we might want to make these all more family-friendly. and so we added these. making kelly told her son loves
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this picture so much that it takes the book to bed with them at night. jasper came to us about eight months after we moved to new york. henry passed away while we were in new york and i write about that. if you've had a pet, you have probably been through this. page 53, did your kleenex out. greta van susteren called me that night it was not india but you know if your phone rings at 10 p.m. you think it's not good news. she said listen, i heard about henry and up until you, i know you think it's impossible but i think that they need to do right away if get another dog. i had 101 reasons why we did not. we lived in new york. we were 46 with a. how do you potty train a puppy in an apartment? there's an entire chapter about it because it is littered. eventually we get it right. is not a plate of grass we lived in at the time. two days later, i work at the studio and you know what it's like, you get to go to the
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studio and its fast pace and its news and you get your and nakedy could do and it's fun. peter works from home at i had to be home one of those days in the afternoon and i realized the apartment was cited. peter works from home, works a lot internationally so he wasn't going to meet anybody. he needed that companionship as much as i did. so we called up greater we knew and it taken care of henry when we were traveling when i worked out of the white house and she said i had a feeling you'd be calling me. she said we have a letter being born next and then we'll be ready for pickup on june 5, that's what we got him. >> so jasper, we were talking earlier about this been a stressful election to cover. jasper has really helped bring people together, right? >> i think so. >> different points of view.
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>> certainly would talk of social media interaction i have a lot of people fall below i don't talk politics with them. on facebook and it's good i don't do any politics at all really. i tried to connect with people in a way with my dogs. sometimes i get home from the show and it can be stressful, maybe had a controversial conversation or something and i would look on twitter or facebook and see people sending pictures of the dog or i would post something about jasper and he would get a kick out of it. it's what took the edge off. certainly at the dog park that's always fun because no politics. the other side can social media can be a tough place. there's a reason ball on it comes in one of the platforms should like to have is a cyber bullying because even as a result i can be affected by. it gave me insight into what younger people are going through of what parents of younger people are going through because
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we were kids you were bored at some point. alicia got to go and that was a safe place. but if your life is on this device and see you can never get away from it. but jasper, he can't read, i don't think. i would find a way to dole some of the edginess by utilizing the dog. sometimes i would hug on him. >> the last book you wrote, bestseller. i know you had a segment in the book that you said that was one of the ways you include, how did it come about? the timing come you're talking a week after election. i'm sure a lot of people want to talk about politics and come out a book about your dog. >> that's true. in the first book, i say petulant to the editor said you do get something. that book, and the good news is, is pretty tightly written. i fiddled with it and i did get about 800, a thousand were taken
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out by just a like for the mentoring advice that was in there for a young professional, i didn't want to get anything. the story is that george w. bush working behind the scenes at the white house. how do you take out one of the stories? they wanted me to cut 10,000 words and the dog chapter was 9500 when i went in and said you can have the dog chapter back. he said the we a dog book one day. we decided t to do this one in e told me the publication date would be october 25 of 2016, i said are you sure? no one will ever pay attention to it. the publisher who has a lot more experience in publishing the magic of people are going to need something that would be different, like nonpolitical. i think she was right. responses been really good. this one is on the "new york times" bestsellers list. in the booksignings i don't so far from michigan, colorado, wyoming, california and all over florida yesterday, i think about three people asked me about
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politics. some people brought their dogs which was under also brought -- i have this thing. it is called felt jasper. it was given to me, one of the things that's amazing about jasper, the people sending an te amazing crafts. the woman who makes this, brenda, she takes a photograph that jasper and handmade this. i take it with me because i can't take jasper with me everywhere. and i do feel like people, it's their love of dogs and their way of showing the they are grateful for my presence on the five or on fox's and that they appreciate what i've done in terms of public service. yesterday a woman also hadto complete jasper's name in chinese calligraphy. i loved that when. i had someone commission a painting for me from a great artist in chicago and not that
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hangs in our home. and so all sorts of things, jewelry. he has had a way of bringing people together. >> you were press secretary -- [laughter] >> meghan kelly's son said, is that true? >> you were press secretary such a young age and you are the voice of the administration. how much pressure did it have to be such a young age and how the world really looking at you at that precise moment, you know, listening to your every word -- >> start a war. i didn't. >> looking back, i feel like i had a job as press secretary at the right time, that even six months before, probably would have been a stretch for me. i remember, you remember tony snow, a press secretary before me? i was the principal deputy. on the day before left the white house, he asked the to come over
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to his office and he said how are you doing? not very good because i was are happy being behind the scenes. i said i just don't know how i'm supposed to fill your shoes. you're so good at the podium. i'm just not feeling quite up to it. he said stand up. i did. and i have only five feet tall. he was about six by and he put his hands on my shoulders and should be a little bit. he said you're better at this than you think you are. about two weeks later i was finishing everything and had not started a war, depression have not gotten mad at me. i have been a deputy so long, one of my piece of advice for young people always take the deputy job because that's the end of being able to no have given a job. i realized this is what he meant. i don't have to try to be just like him as a white house press secretary. i could just be myself.
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if i would do it over again i think i would be so much better now because i did have the tv experience that i've had in the last eight years. adding that now i do think i probably would've been a better press secretary in terms of ability to communicate. it's funny, mark knoller of cbs news did, he's full of statistics and he did account and said tony sims average white house briefing would last 42 minutes. dana perino's average briefing was 21 minutes. i wasn't getting in and get out. spewed what advice would you give the current, whenever he or she is named speak with the press secretary said the great fraternity. we all get along. there's a shared understanding of what it's like to stand at the podium and take those questions from the press and advocate a difference. not just the present but advocate and defender denise access to the government which is a very important part of the
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job. policy is king. making sure you have access to the meetings where you can see the policy decisions being made is very important to i get a lot of listen before i did any talking. that helped a lot. i also embraced the job of fully. it was the best i will ever have in my life. it propelled into the top of my chosen profession. it changed my life forever. i know that i would not have been able to write two books and have a chance to come to miami the festival if i had never been a white house press secretary. i get that. there are wonderful things that come to it from your life and the only thing that we can ask is that you get back afterwards, whether that be advice to young people or are you shy sure is very involved talking about his time at the white house press secretary. he was there on 9/11. recently had a breakfast with josh earnest what i told them, like you so many stories that you might not even realize yet
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and i encourage him to write some of them down as he was finishing up. because he will be talking to them for the rest of his life of people going to hear what is like behind the scenes work for president obama as well. >> how was the transition into television a working at fox right now? >> when i first started it was interesting, i really do want to a presence on television because i felt like want to be a part of the conversation. initial career path was in localist outward to meet -- that didn't work out for me. i made some chose not to continue the local news but to go to work on capital as a spokesperson. by the time i start as a contributor to fox, the first years after the administration, i realized i still felt like a spokesperson for somebody else. speak on behalf of president bush or the administration trying to explain decision-making, hold the legacy in tact.
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and then my start on the five, i realized that they don't really care what george w. bush thinks about this. they want to know my personal opinion. that was pretty scary for me. sometimes i felt like i was on how wire without a net. sometimes i realized i didn't even know what my personal opinion was about something. my whole life had been about speak of someone else's behalf because who cared what i personally thought as press secretary for i wasn't a decision-maker. i really give a lot of credit to the executives at fox news, the producers and my colleagues, my cohost, because they helped draw me out and show a low personality. and sometimes i'm funny, sometimes i can be quite serious and sometimes i will just have to do that i don't know. i remember the first was asked about my feelings about legalization of marijuana. and i started to say what i
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would've said about president bush's thought about it. i stopped and thought, wait, i don't know what i think. you're going to have to give me a little bit of time to think about. i still feel conflicted on the issue. my instinct was no, no legalization of drugs because i was a kid who really believe in the just say no campaign when i saw the egg on a scooter that was your brain on drugs. i did not do this or i was terrified to get in trouble. i still am. even at the white house the president if he called into the oval office the first oval office the first thing you think is tell her there's nothing wrong. the head of fox news now, he says the same, i need to talk to you. every thing is okay. because i don't like to get in trouble. five has give me a chance to show some personality, and this is like a psychiatric session, isn't it? i think jasper was a little bit of that of performing to be able
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to connect with people in a way that maybe i was little bit reticent to give her own personal opinions or something or to just be so public. about me. the job is in a way much more public facing and personal and when i was white house press secretary because it really is your speaking on someone else's behalf, not your own. the dog gave me a bit of a buffer and a chance to connect with people without having to be so personal. >> i get it. what's next for you? home alone. >> what's next or you? you've authored, press secretary president of the -- >> i just had a chance to do in election coverage for fox news, and amazing election year, not just on the five but on the big primary night and debate night and it got to be with brett bender and meghan kelly, charles got hummer, george will, steve
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hayes, tucker carlson who on the door. >> has a new show no. >> and juan williams but that's a tightknit group and we work a lot of hours, a longtime. truly jack eagen that's what always wanted to the windows a kid. i started out in wyoming and colorado. when i was in third grade my dad had to bury the rocky mountain news in denver post before got home from work and had to choose two articles to discuss before dinner. and then it really started with interesting news. i'm a voracious news consumer. whatever they wanted to be my whole life must be on a sunday should talk about news of the day, like george will or, now that we're colleagues i get to telling i loved you when i would watch you when i was a kid. he doesn't think that's a very funny. >> doing it five days a week. >> now i am. the way i describe my life right now, i sign my books join and
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gratitude, or joint gratitude, or join an to you, depending on how many people online and have to move them through. describe my career right now is that my plate is full with all of my favorite foods. the only thing i think i need to do is maybe take a food off, because -- >> what would that be? >> i think maybe i will not do another book for a while. although i do love the writing process so much. i'm a voracious reader as well but i can't wait to delve into the stack of books that has piled up over the summer i kept on to get to the. i saw one of the other authors at the miami book fair here, who wrote rules of civility which i loved, i loved that book. and i get to be friends with him which is so fun. he wrote a new book and it's called a gentleman in moscow. and i have been about 50 pages in for three months. so one of the things i really feel like a need to do is read more fiction. i read a ton of is but a bleak
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reading books opens that creativity part of your mind, helps you understand other people, help you understand history. for example, i read the nightingale which i adored. all the light we cannot see was an amazing book. a lot of the characters, what a feeling, going to advance a political transition and turmoil helps me understand what some people might be going now. if you're unhappy with election results or if you're exuberant, you can understand that through reading more fiction. i truly believe that, something the one thing i want to see out a way to read a little more and take a step back. ..
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after this historic election, there's still a lot of divisiveness out there. we're still hopeful about the outcome i think this will dry out. at the election results might have been shocking to people who aren't happy about it. this time, i think that eases a little bit. i respect their right to protest, i hope they would do so peacefully. and i also think there is a way to participate in our democracy. if you're unhappy there is a way to get involved. i remain optimistic about america and all sorts of c ways. these different states. americans are very kind. i saw that yesterday with people standing in line. waiting for me in the
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villages, lakeland and tampa.gio the stopping by to thank you. in and they call me the voice of a reason some people are very kind. we have a lot more in common that we might think. truly this might have happened at a protest. if you feel like there has been some money that you had had to unfriend on facebook friendships were broken up. she told me that her and her husband were not speakingit because of the election. i ask her do you have a dog and she said no it's something that can bring people back together. >> this is so interesting. i know you had questions
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galore so working to stop unless ticket questions.ns we have about 40 minutes for questions -- 14 minutes foror questions. let's get started. i'm going to out myself. thank you very much. a lovely discussion. there are now officially a three republicans and three aficionados i'm neck and imac in a tie who the third one is i am in infectious disease dr.. it's what he did to combat aids in africa. what do you think his legacy is going to be years down the t road. as he can it come out
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positively or negatively suing thank you for that. one of the things that he would tell us in that last year is that he wasn't worried about his legacy. he would say to me last year i read it three books about george washington and if they are still analyzing at the first president than the 43rd doesn't have a lot to worry about. because he will never know.will he has done an amazing job post presidency as well. he has gone on to create such an amazing institute at the bush library that president's emergency plan for aids relief
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is something that has been very bold since it started. it was credited with saving a generation in africa and that wasn't just because he felt a humanitarian obligation there was also a national security component to that. one of the things that condoleezza rice and colin foul said to him we are about to have failed states all across africa because these young people are dying and their parents are dying and the ones that remain the only people to take care of them are bad actors. we have the means to do something different. he has continued to work on the in africa. he is planning to visit later this year.year. he instilled in me a passion for africa. i volunteered at living hope. but i also have become aligneded with mercy shift.at it's all surgery and the work
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that they do is amazing and angelica really. i think also for president bush and they are gonna see him continue to do some amazing things. and maybe next year miami book fair would like to have thembo come back and talk about his new book coming out in march. his just finishing the portrait of 98 wounded warriors who served on his commands. this is something he learned from winston churchill. they were an essay about it. if actually take lessons. painting is something that winston churchill did in 43. it turns out he's actually very good and so he continues to serve in lots of different ways.to all i do think he is assured as being a very good man and a
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wonderful president. civic i do some work with the barbara bush literacy foundation. they're helping people become they ate all across america. there were 98% success rate for the work that they do. i recently saw him at one of those events. we are buddies. prior to the invasion of iraq for many months i remember george bush on television talking about we don't wantt the smoking gun to be in the form of a mushroom cloud. and weapons of mass destruction. that turned out to be false information do you think that information is the product of an intelligence community that doesn't know what it's doing or do you think the dissemination of false information prior to the unprovoked invasion is part of
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some conspiracy to invade iraqan and were you a rare event at the time.with u could you share with us with awi what it's like to be with a group of people who are disseminated false information sincerely or not quacks. >> thank you. this has been a debate that has been ongoing. the information was not false it was wrong. if you look at intelligence agencies all across the world have the same information and that's what it was. the discernment -- i was out there at not there at the time. i would not had had access to the information anyway. >> after the war have started everyone seems to agree that the occupation of iraq was not handled efficiently. you are around during the occupation after the war.
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did you feel like president bush was focused on the administration of postinvasiones iraq. there is an entire two chapters that deal with this in his book decision points. i was also there when we didt the surge which was to turn it around and he did. >> one question. kevin sullivan is a good a friend of mine. he said that you are one of the nicest and smartest people he have a chance to work with.rson, what you think of the relationship that donald trump has with the media and what advice would you give them.uld >> he didn't take any of my h advice.vi the relationship between the president and the press corps is always adversarial. donald trump certainly benefited from a lot of media
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attention there's one thing he knows how to do very well. to get the media to cover his stories and then also he even gets them to cover when he iss saying that their bias their therr that. there's also a lot of different tactics now in terms of how you can communicate with people so twitter is a way that donald trump has been able to communicate directly with people every time he sent a tweet, guess what happens. the media covers it. i could be interesting to see how the media tries to gets its footing i would urge for -- that trump white house as i did the bush administration. it's one of the things our founding fathers set up. they were right to do so inth the media is critical for us to keep our democracy going plus, who is a state that the
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stories can be bad. i remember back when presidenten obama first took office. one of the things he first and was to keep the white house photographers he would not let them in to some of the basic things that we still let them in for. it's a way to make sure that that relationship keeps going. places a don't have a free media turnout are places you want to necessarily want to live. it is a necessary not even in, evil. just a necessary thing in ourne society. >> we had time for one more question maybe two.
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thank you for the great job and that you did for george w. bush and your love for ourst country. i had been asked to serve on the barbara bush literacy foundation. i was wondering if you would like to tell the great group of people what exactly what does the foundation do and how we can help improve the literacy of so many unprivileged kids because i don't know myself what we do i think this would be a great group to be involved with it. >> after barbara bush left the white house she continue to work on issues that she cared about the most which was literacy. in my circle of friends and in my family everybody knows how to read the thing that is
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frustrating and a little sad is that what you .-ellipsis it's 30 million americans but cannot read while in action while in society. has been the same for several decades. partly that is due to immigration flows and things like that but what is amazingg is that one of the things that they have done as they had teamed up with high schoolol students and you know they have to do volunteer work to get credits before they graduate, one of the programs they have in several states and i believe florida is one of them is a matchup high school student with like a third grader they have benchmarks they have to me there's a curriculum that they have to follow.
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and they will not be able to get their credit at they don't actually succeed with this child. in helping not just thein children but the adults. when you join the board you will see something that will amaze you. wi's not just that they work for with children's literacy is adult literacy. every time they have an event which is about three or four times per year the invite somebody's' life has been changed because now they can e read and now they had books in i the home and they're reading to their children and how it changes their life and thesend people who have never been able to read before get up in front of a crowd of 500 people and they give a speech it will give you chills it's one of the most amazing wonderful things in ever been involved in. i am so sorry we've come to the end of our time for questions we have to stay on
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schedule not only for your interest but also for c-span. record to thank our author. for her interview. you've done a fabulous job. and before you go i would like to remind you that books are being sold right outside here and i can't think of a better holiday book than one with dog pictures. they are being signed past the elevators and around theg corner.eing you i appreciate all of you coming. we look forward to seeing you at another session. thank you very much. [applause].
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