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i could scream but at some point my voice is going to give out. okay. i'll just move a little closer. what i was trying to say, is there a format for this? is it a half hour reading and then q and a? we will do a few readings and un day and maybe not as many readings as in the past. i want to give you a chance to ask questions if you have them but after the reading, the reading i did in the city i held a forum on facebook of course as the chip implanted in my brain will work so i can write for facebook as i speak and one of the best passages in the past wanted to be read and so i'll give you input but iwill review the list . which is, so, the top winner in the polls was the final shareholders meeting where fp x gets shut down and might i realize my life is over.
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the famous sexist paragraph, that will evidently go on my tombstone which, you know what i'm talking about? it's the one that gets quoted in every review, unfortunately. completely out of context of course. number three was a meeting with boggs who is the facebook guy who runs ads and we had this sort of weird mafia boss file meetings and the fourth one was the story where i blew up the plumbing so is there any other theme that somebody wants in the reading that you're willing to propose? one of the characters in the book are standing here. i just looked around. your freak out yourselves or not. the british trader was there, my kids were there, they chose not to out themselves.
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the israeli with a face like a sheet of plywood. you can judge for yourself whether that's true or not. the former head of optimization for facebook who interviewed me and made the crazy decision that i assume he said yes because that's how i got hired but okay, anybody else have another passage you want me to read ? raise your hand and say i want you to read that one . feel free, i'm not trolling. if you want me to read a certain passage, if you are cool with that, i might give up but the first one i have to read.the first one i will read and then i will do a q&a and i assume i'm going to do a signing afterwards. so the final shareholders meeting, the context, i don't know how many of you have read it yet. context is i got myself in a massive political debate about the future of facebook and i ended up losing the political struggle because i'm obviously diplomatic and articulate who obviously didn't make it in the facebook thing. the theme here is cheryl's conference room call only good news. >>
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the scene was this shareholder meeting and decided to decide and they probably won't go my way. of the scene was the only good news conference room. we returned to our starting point and for those of you that have not read it's the same scene with almost the same characters of the first chapter
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of the book, to your earlier. we return to our starting point, but under different circumstances. the cast was almost exactly the same. i played every last card. fbx-- if you don't know if you browse the internet and see what you looked at inside your facebook experience fbx does not effectively and you have me to blame for that, basically-- well, and the guy behind that as well. anyhow, it fbx was pushed to its max despite what little resources we had using either a flattery or deception we had fbx to spend as much money as possible. i tried the charm and charisma that worked on investors and cofounders in the past. the other members of the team barely understood. that was the good. on the bad side, i had been in support of it-- insubordinate to google. i had been obnoxious palm on the
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ad team pushing for a agenda in a culture where losing its support-- tolerance. fbx had been a qualified success and i received praise for doing much with little and none of the fbx fans in that room were now willing to stake their capital on its future, much less on the overarching direction it represented. if cheryl agreed to extend it fbx data joining limited to custom audiences or even put mobile ads on fbx there was a chance of pulling this off. if sheryl did not agree that it would mean the death of fbx and having around it, the technology itself, the innovative ip we patented, work that fbx partners had done and the bigger vision gone. we were all betting on one card drawn. you want to go ahead? she gestured to boz, like this big bully with tattoos on his arm and after talking to everyone including the custom audience and team come i think
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we should it shipped identity matching on fbx. and continue with it on custom audiences only enough recommendation. this would be a short meeting. everyone here has contributed to the discussion; right? cheryl looked around the table and we all nodded. well, if that's what you think that's what we will do. i caught boz is i. after 70 months of discussion it was hard to believe a decision had been made. sheryl added as if trying to snap us out of a stupor, that's it, nothing of custom audience on fbx, no mobile inventory on fbx and we will leave it as it is. i looked out the window at an alleyway that led to the main courtyard and the huge hack signs pointing scar word like a large commandment. after closing formalities i was too distracted to register everyone got up to leave and there was nothing left to discuss. he glanced in my direction and
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looked away the moment our eyes met. he was out of the building before i could attempt to catch up and i wandered into the fbx area or what was left with. the product i had gambled my career on was on life support and for the second time in two years i walked out of the office in the middle of the afternoon with nothing to do. of that was the death of fbx. shed a tear. the next one is where i get embarrassed, the sexist paragraph. the context is that i knocked up of this girl i barely knew on the fourth date and a three month later she announces that she's pregnant. again, i will read the full quote. page 57. right-hand side in the middle. she had wild green eyes with a natural spots in her irises when you pulled close, representative and this it at the afghan girl of that national geographic cover.
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she had spent years between various jobs backpacking around that rougher parts of the world and was imposing broad children presence, 6 feet tall in their fee and towering over me and heals. most women in the bay area are soft and weak, naïve despite their claims of worldliness and generally full of [bleep] with their self regarding entitlement feminism and flaunt their independence, but the reality is coming epidemic plague or foreign invasion they are precisely the useless baggage at you trade for a box of shotgun shells. crucify me now; right? again, point, contrast. british trade on the other hand was the sort of woman who ends up a useful ally in the postapocalypse doing whatever work required doing. long story short, you want to tie your genetic wagging-- wagon to the bucking horse, which is why was left nervous than i
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should've been when i showed up for a brunch appointment and pound her booty. she complained of feeling nauseated and slightly out of it. with perhaps too much off handedness while grabbing a newspaper off her couch i suggested do a pregnancy test. like any male who has played it fast and loose with the safe sex rule i had had my share of scarce. nothing had ever come of it and after the third showing you just want to say look, woman, unless you have a screaming infant in your arms and it looks like me we have nothing to talk about. i did go to the doctor, she replied and things took on a pretentious era for a brunch. and? i am pregnant. bam, a human life. i could hear god laughing.
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life is what happens when you are making other plans, indeed. so, do you want me to stop there or keep on with the boz seen with the other one? one more? where's the boz is seen? you can choose the homegrown scene with the plumbing or meet meeting with the mafia boss, boz boz? boz? okay. do you want to vote? i don't know. vote. who says the boz seen? four, eight, nine, 10, sorry, 12. 12 for the boz and for the other seen-- sorry, boz takes it. would do the superdelegates a? i'm a joking.
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okay. boz is the head of ads and the reason why he was there is because he was the covert ta and i don't know if you saw the movie the social network, but he race that is a model for what it's really like. at some point ads became a total pandemonium which is what i described in the book and his october basically said unscrew ads and figure out what's going on. boz has no background in ads whatsoever. and boz was no longer the guest of the ad team, but the officially install leader carried himself like he owned the place which he kind of dead. 's takeover had presented more than a shipped an organizational chart, witnessing the complete configuration of ad space time continuum along boz likes you to fired.
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where you were in the continuum was that to be fulfilled and i know-- had no idea where i fell. boz requested we had a one-on-one even though i did not report to him officially. in short order i found myself sitting across from him at a small table in a small conference room staring at the tattoos on his forearm. on his right there was a figure of map of california and on his left truth in latin. i had done a complete facebook start going back through his time at harvard and into babyhood and thanks to the #pounded tbt i had seen his autobiography from rural northern california from harvard to facebook. he clearly was one of the tough types who prides themselves on darkness and honesty. truth was written on his body, after all. for my part, outside of physics textbooks i found truth to be a rare commodity to two glibly in
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the tech world and notice those who most made a big show believing in truth were unusually attached to whatever well groomed pack of lies they held. the conversation proceed quickly to my role on ad is seen and a facebook the a semi annual with every february and august bringing your biggest fans to review you. i read the reviews of your team member is not a management and their completely opposed. one leisure and the other hates you. that is also true of my amazon reviews. yeah, i could imagine the feedback without having told the specific authors. members on the fbx team at gushing praise for my dedication and leadership and the others my uncouth and smart alec arrogance and criticism of current facebook strategy. that is true, boz. i've made friends and enemies, but my goal has those been to
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give facebook the best ad team possible and this was true. packet barely remember what my life was like before facebook and there was a trail of destruction i had caused by spending my life there. two children neglected, two different children whose were the love i despair and in anything like an intellect or life outside of campus not existence due to indifference and my dedication to the facebook cause. don't be deceived by my withering treatment of facebook inside every cynic lives a heartbroken idealist. if i'm not cut-- critic it's like lucifer being the proudest angel before the fall i also lived and breathed facebook. we moved onto the topic of the open versus closed debate and while he was equivocal on the matter he expressed his firm intent to come to a conclusion quickly and ended the uncertainty that plagued every forward looking decision he was making. this one of the ones that could be read positively or negatively afterwards we stood up and shook
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hands over the small desk. the meeting had the smell of the last meeting with the mahdi-- mafia cop of before things turned ugly. i did not like the smell of it, not one bit. we know how that ended, but ya. okay. so, should i stop there and go to q&a? or one more? homebrew? now i lost my mark. sorry? closer or further? 406. is anyone here from the home grown kit? is he? okay. he could provide necessary context. this is a true story as is
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everything else in the book, by the way. when i moved onto the boat i had to put my home brewing apparatus and started on facebook's campus. come some hack off on eta by some of the other craft beer degenerates include a chris who is not here yet i deployed the 5-gallon brew set up while draining a respectable stockpile. when it came time to chill the bitter we connected a large quill of copper to be to the south in the second for building a building 16. we were prize of the fact it was raining on zuckerberg's desk in that of every other manager met desk. security rusty with panicked faces. of it-- evidently we had burst the plumbing in the kitchen with our high-pressure cooling. our be your crew in a state of considerable inebriation finished the brew and left a area. 4:00 a.m. and recall in my
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duties of product manager i sent unapologetic e-mail to zuckerberg promising a bottle of the brew. there were no repercussions and i still of him a bottle. move fast and break things. move fast and break things one of the more famous slogans. there goes the reading. what's next? q&a? >> on the coordinator here and we are so lucky to get antonio. thank you so much. he just had a baby-- well, he didn't, but someone did. use a proud father. >> yes. >> if you have questions we have microphones over here. you can line up behind the microphone if you have a questions. >> why are there two microphones? just curious? does that when work? q&a.
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there has to be someone. sure. [inaudible] >> you might want to save into the microphone. >> in the book you don't seem to have much relationship with your children and wondered if you have one now? >> yeah, yeah, yeah. of the book is a snapshot in time, obviously. it was in some ways worse than i depicted because there was a bunch of ugliness going on. long story short, it's pre-goodenow. i may still see them, you know, the mother british trader is it -- is as independent as always and recently she decided to travel the world with the kids. they took off about a week ago and they will visit family in new zealand and israel. i have been part of their lives, not a huge part, but for the
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past six years. they are four and six. they are doing well. they don't quite understand the book yet, i think. i have given them copies. if you read the acknowledgment you will see reference representative french architect and yes, indeed. the child was conceived the day i got the book deal, actually. of the child came out when the book came out, literally 40 weeks later. perfect timing. yes, there was another woman. three months old. that's another strange situation, but the mothers are similar and very independent. probably the only woman who can put up with me. yeah, so-- sure. the face the crew showed up.
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>> so, wanted-- >> you have to get really close to it, i think. >> testing. i don't think it's on. i will just talk aloud. i wanted to know if you have to your facebook stock after leaving and if you have kept it would reconsider that as an endorsement to wear hit facebook is heading and if you dispose of it, do you regret doing that? >> i think it says in the book that i sold all that, actually. i said so in the book, obviously hideous error. the reason i said that if you read the epilogue and so how did facebook sort of save itself but i described it was very accidental through mobile. facebook about i guess six months to make a year, went more
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than 50% mobile and one of the great coups they pulled off, which is due to their credit to mention it in the epilogue is that they-- and it was completely unexpected. i didn't see it coming. suddenly mobile would be the savior and there's a sane and marketing that money follows eyeballs. if you look at mary's internet sites, the equity analyst dc this where the eyeballs are in internet and the money following and there's still a lot of money and tv even though the eyeballs are there and facebook broke that mold making the money followed that eyeballs. facebook went from i guess what i left i don't know they be 40% mobile to whatever it is now which i think is 85% mobile, which is incredible. they have an entire business around out him a completely unexpected. i criticize facebook a bit for being a bit on planned. they simply do not have a five or 10 year plan. doesn't exist, but on the other hand the improvise really well and when things come up at her unexpected can capitalize. consider i was just talking
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about someone else like other messaging apps like aol or yahoo and facebook dislike me that happen with nothing. i did not see that coming, basically, so yeah, i sold most of the stock. i will give a buy or sell signal are not negative on the company at all work it won't go away anytime soon. the rumor about teens not on facebook is crap. who's next? don't put me on the spot. that means it's a good question. >> i forget where i read it, i think this week, but didn't procter & gamble decide to disk -- decrease their advertising on facebook because they did not find it effective? >> yeah. >> is there a possibility other
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people will realize they may not so much product? >> the new story and i don't know all the details, but basically they announced and it's weird for these things when ad campaigns don't work out you usually don't have a public announcement, but png said facebook targeting is not working and we are going to scale down our facebook budget. if you read the book, like it's not remotely surprising. i was the first facebook add party product manager and i spent a year trying to turn facebook into money and it did not work, likes and interests and if you are doing direct response advertising or trying to get a positive response if the marginal result, really. so, in ad tech it doesn't actually have to work to sell it you can, i mean, i think i call it in the book the brain advertiser is like the legacy of mission student of advertising world, the person they're due to relationship and fake dinners and the chief marketing officer
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and they zero their jobs to though marketing world. five years after it was evident to anyone looking, procter & gamble wakes up and said do we target people who like crest toothpaste-- and it doesn't really signal any intent. i guess i'm not surprised. >> so, where was facebook located while you were there in the context of the book? >> when i joined it was still on -- i ask i drove by on the way here. those buildings were torn down. like an old industrial lab, like nothing special looking. i don't know what it was before. no, no, no, they used it to the old microsoft system thing and now they are building onto the
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other side, but it's like across the street from east palo alto. sinecure at san quentin and-- [inaudible] >> the cool thing was that they intentionally left like a corporate logos in some conference rooms precisely as a remark or-- reminder like the ruins of the previous civilization and them as we fall into the same trap we have to avoid the death that represents. like these little classical touches. >> can you comment on the reception of the title of your book and whether it has any relationship to information? >> the first title for the book was met-- way more wonky. the original title was: pseudo- randomness. fake randomness. the idea like my life was pretty
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random. they totally snookered me and said we will do a book and keep the title and in a month they were like screw the title and "chaos monkeys" is kind of wonky, but in a different way. is a diagnostic software package that was developed and it's picture a monkey running through datacenter and literally kills boxes inside the data center and they test to see if house of cards is still streams. what i met that metaphorically was that silicon valley is like busy where the chaos monkeys are and what happens is a company like uber says we won't have taxis anymore and taxi medallions will be worth $0 and anyone who wants to be a taxi driver can drive or we won't have hotels anymore but we will have this thing called air b&b. barcelona has been like
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completely ruined by air b&b. i stated nothing but air b&b's for like three months with entire compartment blocks that are effectively air b&b colonies in barcelona and no one invests in renovating it because they are trying to milk it. these buildings are like drunk british and swedish and american tourists thanks to air b&b. like 40 years of fascism could destroy it or like the us air commander in world war ii could not manage to somehow-- it are b&b is destroying berlin. that's it, i mean, by that chaos monkeys haircare pulling the plug and everyone is trying to survive the results and it asked for the title came from. [inaudible] >> arguably, they are. >> thank you for coming to speak today. what inspires you to write a book?
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i mean, you were not a writer before. >> i did that first seven jobs thing like you are supposed to post your first seven jobs in the big reveal might first job was a journalism intern in south florida in the mid- 90s, so i feel like i've been a writer faking being a technology guy and the writing thing was always part of that intent to some degree. it's a stretch to say i was undercover like embedded in facebook to create the book, but to some degree at somewhat true and i always knew i would write it. i was taking notes throughout the course of the thing. it was always in the back of my mind. at the end of the book i mentioned my mother dies enough like a trigger to reevaluate your life and when that happens it's like what's on my bucket list and it's to write the book. i think we live in amazing times like what we are living through like think about this, all of
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human knowledge now lives in that device and your entire social life is a mediated by. i'm old enough to remember not just know smart phones, but i was raised in a library with card catalogs and to realize where we are as crazy. people look back at the time and look at this and no one is documenting it and in my opinion the last decent memoir is a book called: startup. it's really good. but, chile dated so i wanted to create-- you know, a century from now people will ask what it was like back in the day this might be one of the dozen books referred to and that's why i decided to write the book. >> what was the process writing the book? talk of that about that. did you just sit down over the course of a few months and they get out or was it torture is
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going over and over again? >> i'm just saying hello to the guy-- we read the scene and you were not here. this is chris brey. so here is the process, i knew i wanted to write it. my mother dies and i decided to sell everything and move to europe because i thought my career would be over so i wanted to reboot my career somewhere else and so i go to europe and start writing a bit and then you write a book proposal like the picture and you sell the agent on you and agents those you on the publishers and you get a book deal and they wanted-- this was august of last year and they wanted it to be like the summer beach read of this world and doing a book in a world-- years like lightspeed. got the book deal and then i remembered close to the place where i bought my most recent boat which is beautiful and gorgeous and none of you should ever go there because it should remain unspoiled. beautiful islands between seattle-- i basically locked
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myself in there and wrote all day and drink too much and stressed and rage and pissed off my editor. i submitted the manuscript by whatever it was, thanksgiving or christmas and there were like four or five months of editing and legal review and out it came 40 weeks after the book deal was struck. i would advise you not to write a book. it will literally destroyed at least a year or two of your life. >> i've not had a chance to read your book, only a bit of it. what i do get from it is, it's sort of a tell all about-- which brings out what's some of what's wrong with capitalism in silicon valley. here's my question to you. in your journey, have you ever thought about can we do better than capitalism? >> i get asked that question.
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the scene with ipl i like make a person's between facebook and communist cuba where my distant cousins are still moldering in that acronym. like the famous quote from churchill, like democracy is the worst way to run a country other than all the other ways that have been tried. capitalism is like the worst way to divide the spoil is a except all the other ways that have been developed. what's your alternative wax yeah, i think capitalism makes these of us all and what you see in silicon valley's hyper capitalism at the ultimate extreme and a lot of the weirdness you see in silicon valley is this focus on meritocracy, like if anyone say's long after you realize it doesn't exist. how else do you just by the fact that two startups ago and one has a billion dollar outcome in the other is zero. cammack guy really claim he's a billion times better? of course not, but we have to pretend he is otherwise how
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could you justify that income inequality? these hypocrisies are the sort of lubricant that keeps the machine going in a way. does that sound to anarchist? who is next? >> in the book you talk like one of the most scary things you talk about are the comedies that track everything delivered to our homes i was wondering if you could talk more about that and add blockers. like what is-- are these companies doing as a service? do we zero them that information? >> there's like a big brother chapter and this is where i put my facebook had on. facebook is not really these big brothers, but others that have been tracking you like literally since the 60s, since the four men walked on the earth, but like all that stuff you get the mail is still a multibillion-dollar business and
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those companies know who lives in your house, income level, education level and when they join it to a third-party advertiser they join that data with all the discount cards you use and that's basically a data for joining. like what you bought in the physical store like diapers, personal products is all known and the big challenge, part of what the story is about is joining that massive mountain of off-line data to the online world and they're still a gap. it's been hard to do but just because it's basically-- what it acknowledges would call a heated database would be your online address. basically, a lot of what facebook is doing is joining your browser or your device to an address joined to the fact that you bought a 12 pack of condoms last night whether you know it or not. so, at the end of the day facebook and i sound like a
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total facebook plant, they care about you as a user because they care about maintaining your eyeballs on the platform and they consider it adds it to be a necessary evil to pay the light bill. at the today actually went to please you, but the guy that wants to sell you a sweater at any cost isn't. it's we're. when people like use facebook it's like you have a toddler that hasn't learned facebook-- object permanence. facebook takes either your browser cookie or the fact that you are 37 in mountain view on thursday at 7:00 p.m. in scioscia message like when you get a piece of e-mail spam for like i don't know-- does anyone say google is showing me these ads because you understand they're just a messaging system. or when you get a marketing call to you blame at&t? no, you understand. facebook ads is effectively the same. everyone sent e-mails and photo calls, so they don't understand
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ads are a messaging system. my answer to your question is you should be worried about the advertiser knows about you and less about facebook because at the end of the day they care about you using the app. ad blocking, piece of news facebook basically said it will block the ad blocker and so the add blockers the piece of software you download and it basically knows the endpoint and address where the ads come from and just basically doesn't love those on your browser and it's a way of browsing without loading and had. historically, that was like a minimal usage, like a few percentage points, but the "wall street journal" came out with a piece of like a quarter of internet users have ad blocker now and it's gone from like i said the example a retail establishment has like what's called shrinkage. like ru shoplifting and add blockage used to be like a shrinkage, but now it's like a
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major problem. facebook basically said we will block the ad blocker, which they can do because they serve their own ads, so a piece of software trying to see the ads can easily get confused. of course there will be ad blocker blockers and blocker blockers and so on in the arms race goes on. i do think at the end of the day that is a minor form a piracy if you run out of blocker. i know it sounds like a crappy thing to say, but if you ran a site realized how much work a lot of people standing here do, i mean, facebook is a quarter of the internet everywhere except china. a quarter of the internet. billions of photos are uploaded every day. i know that feels like the marginal cost is free, but it's not free to run. there are entire towns and organ that is keeping facebook cool, the cooling system. that is not cheap. it feels like it's free, but
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it's really not and i do think it's a form of theft, in a way. with that said, to clarify it is the case that some publishers don't care and they abuse it and in that case i could see how someone might be attempted to use it. i think publishers just really don't care for many publishers. long answer to a short question. >> i just happened to move to the valley six weeks ago to support my husband's a job-- >> you e-mailed me. >> yeah. it's amazing. i'm still reading it and it's very dark and kind of reminds me -- anyway, my question was ru also thinking about at some point turning it out as a movie? i mean, has that-- >> the only way to make money
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and books is actually tv and the agent is trying to hustle that now. there are so many steps along the way to getting a movie made. every movie watches like a minor miracle. a book deal is like a book deal, but in the case of a movie there are so many steps along the way there is no guarantee. i don't know if i wrote this in the twee, but it's funny you mention you are reading the book summary people they say they bought the book for their family member. one of the guys in the book bought it for his therapist because he said this will save time like screw me pain you 300,000, like read the book and then we will talk. it's been a good like ecosystem manual for like the people around the people who work intact. >> i really like what you wrote about axiom. i worked there. >> did you?
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>> most people have no idea. yuko to the website and they will never figured out. it's a secret company. 1500 pieces of data on every consumer pretty much around the world. way beyond what anyone realizes. anyway, my question is twitter, what do you think will happen to twitter? >> yeah, twitter. yeah. the context is that i sold my coming to twitter and after the facebook thing because people live in a memory list state come i went back and help them, so i have some you although i was never there is a full-time employee. i don't know it deeply well just some of members of the added team. the problem with twitter, think, is part of the reason facebook has done so well is that facebook has like a genius founder jean ceo. force of nature that has just created this thing that will
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live on for a long time and i think twitter is missing that level of leadership in the reality is whether at the smallest level a three-person startup or massive level you need to have someone who can like make the pot-- company move in some direction because the technical world i mean is kind of a cliché metaphor like a ship in a stormy ocean and at some point you have to decide to go in this direction and the entire coming lives or dies by that decision. it seems to me like twitter has been spinning its wheels were longtime and the growth products. no steady state constant usage. it seems to be in between those two states right now, so yeah it's worrisome because it's a shame because i worked with her ad team and they are very bright in many ways more than facebook, but execution always beats vision and facebook as the execution. >> like somewhat related to twitter and in some parts of the
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book is what you described about selling it and it seemed like of the time you were sort of thinking, hey, this is better to go to facebook like my coop vote counters-- cofounders and it seems like they actually made out better in the end and i wonder what you think about that like if you would do it differently again or just, i mean, i guess maybe that's just some random failures. >> actually mention that a blog. yeah, yeah. are they here, by the way? my cofounders. the company we started with literally two blocks that way. this is my first time here in several years. yeah, they did do well and they are still there, actually. yeah, they did do better than i did and in retrospect if i was only worried about the monetary outcome than i should have-- the
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grass is always greener, but it would've been better quality of life and i would have stayed there for years rather than getting chewed up it would have been very different. but, this book wouldn't exist. another one? [inaudible] >> maturing in what sense? [inaudible] >> i think it's a huge opportunity for startup people because then you can eat their lunch. look at companies like instagram and a snap chat. they created mobile user experiences that facebook did not see coming. they have massive balance sheet and they could buy these come me that they want to be bought out
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or what, but it's a great opportunity. when the older generation dies it's usually bigger opportunity for the younger generation. no, don't think so. it's funny because i thought this would be like-- it turns out the reaction has been way less negative than i thought. i don't have to flee to spain, i guess. i could if i wanted to, but we will see how long i can do this writer thing. [inaudible] >> if you read to the end with the mother dies and i hate to be depressing, but i had a whole chapter on the mother dying and then met edgar says you have gone from like liars poker to angela's ashes and it's totally out of telling you have to kill the chapter, so the massive mother dying thing was gone. in that experience-- i can tell you now, guess. when your mother dies the usual thing, misdiagnosed and then
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like unsuspected stage for liver cancer and you watch her wasteland i and i'm sure people have had that experience where you spend time in the cancer ward. there was this experience in miami, but they had like a hallway in a circle where they try to get these poor dying cancer people to walk and move and get exercise and i was in like this haze of lack of sleep because you are taking turns watching your mother and i could have hallucinated it for all i know, but i feel like a young dude that looks like me and most everyone there is old, but the guy looks like me like standard issue little miami 30 something like me, basically, but he was in that gal with like the little iv thing chugging along looking like a specter of death and for some reason i slashed to that seen in a fight club where they drive into the wrong lane on a highway in the brad pitt
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character as everyone in the car and there's like a semi coming and if you are to die right now what would you most regret doing and one is build a house, penne self-portrait and the other wimpy character freaks out. like confronted with death what would you regret doing and like in that moment the only two things i could think up was writing and publishing this book and the other was finally realizing the childhood dream of sailing around the world across the ocean which is a dream i always had. i was there and i had two different oceangoing sailboats i could've worked on a prepared and then basically let it rot at the dock. i said that's it, this won't happen again in a matter what it takes i will do that. now that i have done ottoman number one i think it's time for item number two. of course, had this other kid, so who knows, but i still think it's the top priority item. no, no, no, the kid is not coming. of the mother is not a sailor,
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so i don't think so. there is this race called the golden globe race and if any of you are the mayor with sailing history is the first time a human sailed around the globe without stopping and it was held in 1968 and they are doing a redoing 2018 and i was accepted, but am having second thoughts because it's in two years and i have to get this book to the uk, but even if i don't do the rice the plan is still there. >> what do you think about the future of silicon valley with our insane costs québec i don't know. that's above my pay grade. if you want to go high level and all bernie sanders i think-- i quote in the book that mark entries and has a famous quote in the future you either tell
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the computer what to do or the computer tells you what to do and for a while maybe not to mention more like every company was basically coding someone out of a job, like literally everyone. like using machines and automation to wipe out blue-collar labor, like literally and there's a whole lot of people they won't have jobs and 20, 30 years. i don't know if you wrote that post about the autonomous cars. it turns out truck driving is like one of the few jobs a high school educated male can actually use to feed a family and that job will go away and so is the diner waitress and the guy pumping the gas in the entire system around our entire truck driven economy will go away and what happens when happens? you think we see something where now with trump and the distress, just wait until 20 years from now when all those jobs are gone , not just manufacturing jobs and i think that a lot of
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people are thinking about that. i think questions like that are the few questions few people are actually thinking about. who else? we have time. ask me anything. i'm surprised no one trailed me here. the negative feedback tends to be a few flavors. usually it's the misogyny because they think it's a sexist book on the witch with a record i don't think it's a sexist book , but that's a whole road we don't need to go down unless someone wants me to talk about it as long as no one is recording it. of the other thing is that it's weird trick i think they don't realize it's like either the toner the negativity or the general kind of jerky nature of the narrative, but what they don't realize is they don't dislike near the book, but they just dislike silicon valley.
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just printed it accurately. everyone who is a insider has said this is awesome. it so awesome i have ptsd flashbacks. there like you're the bullets and suddenly there there again and i have had so me people write me and say it stressed me out so much because it reminded me of random crap. the insiders love it and i think a lot of the outsiders hated because they had this like beautiful varnished image of how silicon valley works. they buy the narrative policy. they see zuck on the cover of the fortune and imagine these proud visionaries and everything unfolds in its wonderful. they read this and they are like feel like they were deceived. unlike this is how it is. you just don't realize it. a marketing professor dean did for being negative or something and it's like dude-- a lot of the negative-- almost all of the negative feedback has been from
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total silicon valley outsiders and i've yet to be serious trolling from the silicon valley insider. [inaudible] >> no, should i? i don't know if we should name them. bill who i mentioned in the book was positive on it. chris-- is here? i'm sure he's not here. week-- he was not so positive, but we were not on great terms. i sent him a copy of the book and i have not heard back. [inaudible] >> no, of course not. they would have never cleared any of this. it's funny and this will be a horrible gateway drug. it turns out they're kind of
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like insider trading or hate speech. we use those terms usually, but it doesn't actually cover much. it's literally like a document you pilfered. things like your personal politics or personal recollections are not covered by that i don't and if anything is known to the public, which doesn't mean anyone on the street knows it. it means in some way you announced in public including this data matching is not covered under that and if any company partner knows about it someone outside of the confidentiality very or has been told it's also not confidential, so at the end of the day there was nothing confidential and the good thing is probably problems this country might have it still has freedom of speech and we have weaker liable laws which means truth is always the defense and any scene in which i say something a bit dodgy it's always in a meeting or an e-mail that can be discovered under subpoena or deposition and could be someone to back it up and say
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yeah, that guy said that. it done. you can get away with a lot more than you think, actually. the only ones that i did not name by name are the women who were, you know, some slightly compromise position because i did not want to make it public. everyone in my circle knows who they are, but did not want it to be a public thing. the women have pseudonyms, but everyone else's name. i never consulted anyone about it because it would be like this he said she said and everyone trying to edit. i did tell british trader and the broom closet scene that she was getting mentioned. they were both pretty cool with it and i know both of them and i knew they wouldn't really care, so that's fine. >> my husband dragged me out here kicking and screaming. so, i would like to know why this place out here doesn't have a cool quote class art seem like
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miami? >> which is funny because if you had said that 20 years ago i would say like what, but miami does have a cooler same. i was there a few years ago and i used the-- eight used to be like the most hideous place and now it's like way cooler now. i have already made gross generalization, so i will just say it. i mean, look at mountain view, palo alto, we are living in the coming this is the equivalent of florence during leonardo and when you look around as it seem like a culture that invests in architecture or are turning a long-standing notion of itself? no, of course not. every public building in new york, hospital is named after some rich douche bag. i went to icon hospital. he's a jerk, but he funded this hospital.
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somehow i've never walked into a google hospital. in general, think the notion of giving back is funding other startups, which i guess is a way of giving back, but not like building a library. if you go around some of those most beautiful libraries you ever see our carbonate-- carnegie. somehow, that feeling of giving back or civil debt like we want to invest in the city does not exist because no one cares. i don't know the deep reason, but that's the feeling i get. if you look around it's not like florence and the 15th century. there deftly not patronizing michelangelo. there are exceptions, absolutely [inaudible] >> obviously exceptions.
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yeah, yeah. obviously exceptions, but broadly i don't know if that's true. anything else? we have five minutes left, i think. ask the guys in the back. they know better than me. i will quote one unnamed source. i find it very surprising that things have gone more political and i think why the book is interesting is that covers the era when facebook went from crazy startup to being a very political place with a lot of structure. this unnamed source said i think facebook will become microsoft before google does, actually. i find that very surprising. microsoft, being per-- compared to microsoft is not a good thing , generally. any other questions? are we done? >> no. >> the signing, right.
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gift? >> there is a gift, for you and your baby. >> so nice of you. so great. thanks. >> i went to thank everyone for coming tonight to support the store. antonio, thank you. >> thank you for having me. this is like the biggest crowd of ever had, actually. >> on tonio's book is available for purchase at the back of the store. you can purchase it and then have him sign. i know some people walked in with their copies and he will be happy to sign those as well. thank you very much. [applause]. >> like that? cool. >> our weekly author interview program, georgetown university philosophy professor jason brennan critiques laws. harvard business school professor eugene talked about the motivation of white-collar
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criminals and former senate majority leader george mitchell explore the potential for peace between israel and palestine. in the coming weeks on afterwards we will-- have wall street news general. doctor sylvia terra will discuss the research on how our bodies react to fat. also new york magazines jonathan weighs in on the legacy of present rock obama and this weekend johns hopkins environmental health scientist professor will report on industrial meat production. >> there are good things and bad things as with anything. >> what are the good things? >> certainly that we have a reliable assessable food supply and just as you said, that the cost of food in real dollars is significantly less that is of animal -based program-- protein, particularly, but also melt. those are the good things. the bad things is that this is
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an industry that has not really come under the appropriate purview and that's because-- >> purview of whom? >> any regulatory or until recently consumer attention. >> afterwards airs on book tv ever saturday at 10:00 p.m. and sundays at 9:00 p.m. eastern and you can watch all previous act birds program on her website, book [inaudible conversations] >> afternoon, everyone. welcome to the southern festival of books in this particular session: standing against oppression. it is our pleasure to welcome to distinguished authors to our panel today.
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doctor patrick phillips and jason morgan ward.d. we will have presentations by both doctor philip said doctor ward and after both panelists are finished with her presentations we would like to open it up to discussion. following discussion, we will go up to the war memorial auditorium upstairs and there is a book signing and i encourage you to continue discussion with both authors once we get up there, so again we will get started with first doctor phillips. doctor phillips is an associate professor of english at drew university and he is also a poet as well. previous book that he produced, a broken mechanics-- a national book award finalist. .. are talking


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