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[applause] >> qaeda, roberta. i'm going to add to please take seats at this time so they can
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get started with this for him. my name is rick palacio. i'm the chair of the colorado democratic party. [applause] i also served as secretary of the association of state democratic chairs who is our host this afternoon. first of all, it is really another to have each of you here in my home state. i am proud to say that colorado, along with our neighbor to the south and are almost a week to the west, we are the place that republicans broke their way. a majority voters chose hillary clinton to lead our nation. we elected united states senator michael bennet at colorado and expanded our democratic majority. we expanded our democratic majority in the state house of representatives. unfortunately, that wasn't the case in many places in the
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country and there is one reason we can sugarcoat that today. republicans have not been this low position since the 1920s. on january 20th, donald trump is sworn in as the next president of the united states. republicans control both chambers of commerce in more than 30 governor seat and many more state legislatures. much of the nation looks incredibly red beard in many places, turnout was down to my last our court of working-class white voters who made up a large part of our coalition since roosevelt. we have to do something, democrats. this party, the democratic party is the party of optimism, right? democrats believe we are greater when we are standing together. greater than we are on our own.
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that is when the country succeeds. when everyone gets a fair shot, everyone does their fair share and everyone plays by the same rules. that message either didn't get through in november for a pleasant believable this last november. because wide swaths of the american people did not go with us. we find ourselves at a crossroads. at our next meeting in february, will that the nature of the democratic national committee and that is why we are all here today. we have four candidates for dnc chair and three of them are here with us today. governor dean regrets he is unable to join us that he will be addressing this by video. before we get started, i would like to run through some important guidelines. first and foremost, this is a forearm. this is not a debate. so while we may disagree in our candidate of choice, and i would
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like for us all to agree right now that we would not be disagreeable this afternoon. [applause] you should have been handed a credentialed when you check in those credentials are required for you to stay in this room. so please wear them around your neck at all times. audience members who removed their credentials will be asked to leave. we are also going to last, and this is going to be neighborly and forced that no disruptions are permitted from the audience. distracted people will be escorted out. they will not be science permitted. science will be promptly removed as well. seeding guidelines will be enforced. as you know, we are in the middle of the room. everyone on this side should be a member of the democratic national committee or member of the association of chairs. our guys are welcome, but our
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guests are seated on the other side. are there any questions about those guidelines? see no questions, first the candidates are going to have 10 minutes for their speech and then a reasonable amount of time that will provide to each of our candidates to answer questions. the first introduction that i would like to make to jamie to my left ear, raymond buckley, chair of the new hampshire democratic party. raymond. [applause] congressman keith ellison who represents minnesota's fifth congressional district. [applause] jamie harrison, chair of the sub democratic party. [applause]
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and i would ask for you all to please stand and join us in the pledge of allegiance. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america. and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> thank you. please be seated. now that we are all comfortably settled in our chairs, our first remarks are going to be by video from governor dean and the remaining order is picked with a candid backstage in random order. >> i appreciate very much been able to do this by video that very much apologize that was unable to get to denver. we need to be rebuilt from the ground up. we need to do something that i called the 50/50 strategy.
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we need to go back to the 50 state strategy and we need to focus and biggest numbers between 18 and 35, so-called first global generation is the reason that has 50 on it is because they will vote for us in 50 years. when he voted for somebody three times in a row, which they have, barack obama type and hillary clinton, it's likely a boat that way for a the rest of your life. it got to focus on young people and get them out in big numbers, much bigger numbers than before. democrats have nothing to be ashamed of in the last election. hillary clinton got almost 2 million more votes than donald trump did. but we lost for a variety of reasons. some of it was voter suppression , particularly in wisconsin and north carolina. we didn't do well enough and we didn't get the votes. the rail loss was even worse. the real boss was there is now
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more republican governors in this country than ever in the history of the united states. that means this party has to work at the ground level and we have to organize. this is not an ideological contest. we have to organize it as a mechanical contrast. we have to stand for something and that's important. been on the ground for four years and trust in state parties and giving them resources they need with the same strings we have before. you hired them. we will train them and make sure they are adequately paid. i'm prepared to do that but the same people that thought the database in 2005 when i became chairman of the christmas party. we could do this again. there's important things they must not do. one of them is we cannot allow this to be a proxy fight between bernie sanders people and hillary clinton's people. this is to start again and be together. the second thing we cannot do is
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have a chairman in his part-time. we have to all work together and we have to focus fully on this task. i know this job better than anybody else. 80 hours a week for 250 miles a year and raise 50 to $60 million a year. this is a full-time job. here is my promise to you. i am not going to be a candidate for the democratic national committee chairmanship. it could possibly be divisive. i have other priorities. i have a grandchild now. and dedicated to as much time as i can to support whoever the chairman is. i ask all those candidates and there's some very good ones now, to work fully together and to take this job is a full-time job. i will support whoever wins. i think it's going to be a regular for democrat, but only if we do those things that i laid out before and i laid out
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in 2005 when they first took over. her record as chair was extraordinary. when i came it was a beautiful building. a 6 billion-dollar surplus that there was no attack. we didn't have the house, didn't have the senate in the presidency. when i came back into bed tonight, we had a great tech platform. we have the house, senate and the presidency. that can be done again. thanks very much. [applause] >> thank you to governor dean and now jamie harrison. the >> while, we have to start after that. katie and me? you can hear me now? creep. wow, my colleagues and friends, i want to thank you at first about want to thank governor howard dean.
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i want to thank him for the 50 state strategy. i work did the house of representatives when he proposed that and he remembered being in the room when senator schumer and rob emanuel basically said no. we want the money that the dccc. i remember my boss at the time who stood up and said i support the 50 state strategy. and in the end, howard dean was right because we picked up seats in places like kansas and i can tell you it was not done rob emanuel's list, but we wanted and i have modeled a tenure in south carolina after governor
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dean can we have a 46 county strategy. i just want to thank him for all that he's done for this party and for setting out a blueprint for eyes. but i want to thank you. i want to thank you for the millions of phone calls, for the millions of doors do not done. i went to thank you for pouring your heart out to make this country a better place for all americans. this past election was like a punch in the gut. it hurts. that election ended still hurt. the morning after the election, made 2-year-old son, we call him being on facebook. he came into the bed with me in islam and he looked at me and looked at his mom and said mommy, it is daddy sad? and i leaned over to him and i
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said buddy, daddy is a little sad this morning. and he leaned over and he kissed me and he kissed his mom. you know, it was at that moment when i realized that this election wasn't about hillary clinton winning or donald trump winning. i was sad and that was heard because of the consequences of this election. the consequences for my mom, the consequences for all the people that we love because i've always learned that elections have his. over the past two years in various assortments and venues, the american people have been yelling and screaming, but we haven't been listening. they've been trained to tell us something. we saw it in the resurgence of
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police related shootings in african-american communities were african-americans young and old to do the street then said likewise matter. we saw that the algae bt q. community and its allies fighting and courtrooms all across this country, proclaiming in the loudest voice who we love matters in the graves of came to the country looking for opportunity and many escaping policy and persecution saying give us a chance. saving our voices matter. don't take us for granted. and yes, singing don't forget us because we are special, too. the sober reality despite all of the amazing achievement that we
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thought under president barack obama. we've rebuilt the american economy. we've talked for equal fraud and provided health care to 20 million americans and despite being on the right side of so many issues, they're americans still don't feel as though we've been listening to dad, as if they matter. they don't see us anymore in their community. they don't say yes tackling the pocketbook issues over the past eight years. you've heard it. i've heard it. many of them said the same problems i had eight years ago under george bush in the same they face today. so folks, the democratic party has transformed. we have to transfer and be been a political votes every two and four years and we must become a community organization working in our neighborhoods with
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grassroots activists on addressing the day-to-day issues and working class voters. but sadly, we do not been able to do this. but not invested in the front line of our party. do you know what the frontline of our party is? all of you folks working in the state parties. we should have predicted what happened because we've seen the signs went 33 of 50 governorships are controlled by republicans with 69 of 99 state legislative houses controlled republicans. when he's lost over 900 legislative -- democratic legislative seat in the course of eight years. we saw the signs, but we ignore them. these sobering statistics tell me that the past few years we've it's a beautiful new house commit diverse house, pretty house and pay no attention to the foundation. the foundation for this party,
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state parties have been drying up like grapes in a line in the california sun. let me ask you a few questions. how many of you are either defended a democratic greece in 2017. then we see a show of hands. keep your hands up. how many field less than $150,000 cash on hand in your state parties? how in the world, thank you guys. how in the world can we think that our state party can run a victim campaign in either a gear or two years and i can barely keep the light on in their parties. my friends, things have to change in our party and that is why i decided to join the race to the democratic chaired the national committee. it's time for a new generation of leadership to cope with new problems and new opportunities for there's a new world to be one. let me avail my vision.
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we don't have the president the end we need a full-time chair. someone who can dedicate 100% of their time to the job in order to rebuild the party, we need to invest in state parties and territories and democrats abroad. i proposed increase in the state partnership program to $12,000 a month minimum to fund all of these organizations. we have to empower regional caucuses to enjoy it amazing that the economic support so that they can support the local candidate. we need regional staff in the regions as well. we need to build a bench. we've been doing this in south carolina with the jamesa capra political fellowship with 250 young people to be the next generation of county chairs, the next generation of political operatives.
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you people need a place at the table. we need to create a vice chair position that we have in south carolina for those young people under the age of 35. we've allowed republicans to catch up with us in technology. we need to have political type logical innovations msr first met the chair and called together a group and the dm out because guess what? we've never sat down at the same table to strategize about message and direction. we have to fight to save our democracy. we have to fight against political gerrymandering. we have to fight again voter suppression in a non-election year. we have to get good money out of politics and cultivate small dollar donors. our actions have to match our
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words. we need to demonstrate that by the vendors that work with the democratic party and the story that shaun king wrote about the diversity in the senate was deplorable. our senate and are staffed nature reflect the diversity of our party as well. finally, we need to get back to the grassroots. in grassroots. and south carolina -- an effort of the south carolina democratic carrots we go into the community addressing the issues from school supply drives to resume building, to homeownership workshops. that is how we do constituent service. and so with that, i am so pleased and honored to have thrown my hat in the ring. i will talk about my backgrounds if you guys get a sense of who i am a little later. i went to thank you for all the support i received. thank you, guys.
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[applause] >> hey, democrats. how are you doing? then they tell you to thank you for the work you've been doing. the fact of the matter is we are all friends here and we plan on working together no matter how this race comes out. [applause] we are in an all hands on deck summit and everybody -- every one of us have to figure out what we can do to help the american people reach their dreams. i will tell you on this issue of just the pain people are feeling in my own district. she was in the room with her mother and her brother's
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girlfriend and her mom said go in there, watch tv. the mother proceeded to tell my friend got the, if we are arrested, would you care for amelia? be in a smart 5-year-old comes back to the room and says they know what you're talking about. don't take care of me if mommy and daddy are deported. this is the moment that we are in and it calls each and every one of us to put up with whatever we thought. we love this party but more importantly that the american people and we want to see our country thrive and grow and it scares us, but we are not too scared to fight. i want to tell you, of course it
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is true that we suffered the tragedy on election day. i tell you i am still reeling from it. but that was a long time coming. in 2014, we had a 70 year low and voter turnout, 36%. in this last election we had a 20 year low. we've got a lot of rebuilding to do. we need to energize the democratic base across the country, giving them the tools they need to build a party from the bottom of the layout. we need to do something else critical. reclaim the identity of the democratic party as an agent for the working people of america. we've got to make sure that every american knows the democrats are going to fight for
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them. the ballot boxes directly connect it to the great gods and martin luther king also said it wouldn't matter if they could -- we've got to be all about that and work started on november 9th team. that may share with you my plan. i believe we need not just the 57 states strategy, the 3,143,000 college graduates. every small unit at democratic party across the nation needs to be in close to a partnership with the dnc. every state, every territory and of course democrats abroad who supply a very large number of those and can see the margin of the jury in so many of our states. i don't believe there's any flyovers days. i'm from minnesota. at the time of the industrial midwest.
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we believe that our state has a whole lot to get this country and all over this country and certainly the south in every part of our country. i'm going to tell you this, i'm so proud of you because you guys did some good things in colorado. it wasn't all bad news. give them a hand. [applause] but also in arizona -- [inaudible] are blue states are not just atm is. they are not just where we raise money. and california and a lot of other blue states, there are model for progressive action and we need to use that and utilize the effort toward caregiving. not just give us a check, but how are you winning so well? there's a lot of victories have been made. georgia, three from the event
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counties. we can win in the south. we must win in the south. good job, man. great job. we can do more. yesterday were these my platform and i want you to share with me your thoughts about the democratic party shouldn't just have throughout this money. we've got to be in touch all over this matter. the members of the progressive caucus called together the voters for his campaign. we talk about making sure you drive a voter turnout and that has got to be what we do. we need to increase the fund to at least 10,000 a month going into a subset of the grant program that allows the activity of every state to come forward for extra money.
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telling me they've got a plan for an awesome precinct program. we should find out. look at state parties in the toolkit cleaning communications, technology, fundraising and more. they may just tell you, they can to donna purcell fighting on cybersecurity. we believe in state parties, kim martin, terry is over there. can this guy friend, but is also my partner. we worked together very closely and i'm honored because he knows that my campaign is contributed over a million dollars. he also knows that we have in this bid in local races throughout the state. we sent commerce and rick going
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back to congress. that's worth a hand. i want to tell you my district is the 15th congressional district in when i first got there they district was the lowest turnout district in the state. we have invested 365 days a year all over everybody. we are doing the deal. if it is a qualification for this job, i feel that criteria. who has actually produced in the torah success and helped other democrats win. governor democrat mark dayton in 2010 with more than 100,000 in 2014 because we turned out the vote. but he won by more than 200,000
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in 2014 because he turned out the vote. i want to tell you, i am an organizer at her. whether nurses can anybody, verizon workers are there. i've been arrested to stand up for immigration reform. reflected for new americans who believe that is so true and i traveled to nearly 30 states in the last two years alone fighting for candidates at all levels. i have the energy and the time to do the work. the millions of dollars for democrats up and down the ticket. i have the strong support from progressive labor leaders because they know when i say i'm going to do it. i believe in unity unless they bring a supporter. i believe i can help us together
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i go to places where we've got to win. oklahoma also nebraska and also i spent five hours hoping to bring unity to this group of democrats in nevada. let me just say i believe in you. 2018 can be a big year for for democrats but it starts as strengthening the grassroots and turning our attention to turnout. stand up strong against this and calling out that people may have been voting but it's nothing that a cabinet full of alien there some obvious things like that. i hope to be a dnc chair. but whether i am or whether i'm not, i am proud to be your
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brother and a member of the democratic party. thank you very much. [applause] >> i want to reiterate what my two friends appears that. we are not running against each other and we have committed to defend each other and as they tweeted out the other day, do not send any about the other candidates because we are united and we have chosen to believe we can win but only if we are one party. you can say anything you want but it will not affect our support. >> most of you have known me nearly my entire life. you have seen me as a teenager as the 20s, 30s, 40s. you know the story about that,
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not to visit three years old as i was so horrified by racial injustice and to me that became a cause. i know little kids are passionate about baseball for barbies or whatever, the starting at eight years old i started organizing because that's what i believe. i thought every position available from 14. buy timeshare move to the city became the word chair. county chair for four terms with the state party when i was 21, served as executive director. served four terms as the vice chair of the democratic party and now i'm a my fifth term as the chair of the democratic party. i'm starting as you all know of the state chairs association and serving as one of the dnc
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officers. there are some people and that's not my record. no record that i like to talk about is what happened in new hampshire in the last 10 years. when i grew up in new hampshire, republicans laughed at the idea that they even have to compete with democrats. the election was the republican primary. the last 10 years in new hampshire. 11 out of third team democrats have one. three out of four u.s. senate seats. we've won. nine out of 12 we have one. nobody has ever seen a track record that we are now having. all for members of our congressional delegation. even before the civil war. jeanne shaheen, garcia porter
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will also be the first all-female democratic delegation. how did we do that? well, we have success because it's about the grassroots. in 2014 it was mentioned in turnout was down. it wasn't down in new hampshire because they invested in the grassroots. we didn't wait for the money. we had to raise rates. we decided we were going to raise the money ourselves and invested do it and what we discovered after the election and u.s. senator after u.s. senator were dropping like flies . how would they get reelected governor outspent two to one. what was the difference?
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the difference was that as one community next to the others. where the heck is that? how many local people are actually knocking on the doors and making the phone calls? they weren't again this year. we were the only purple state to pick up the senate seat. we did that because of what we do on the ground in new hampshire and that's what we need to do in every single state. we have sought back. i want you to know that every time the republicans in new hampshire of success we take you right to the end i would bounce back to the next election and that's what we need to do to tell a child and every single one of the officials whether in a state legislator for governor in the white house, we need to stand up and not be shy to be bold when we push back.
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see bernie sanders will be at the ballot for the primary because he was sent to democrat. there was a challenge filed. i said bernie sanders is a democrat in the a democrat and he needs to appear on the ballot. i have supported burning to the secretary of state's office when he filed to make sure he appeared on the ballot. to make sure he's on the ballot, how different would this have occurred? 60% in the primary, their voice needed to be heard and respect it and that's exactly what we need out of the dnc. first off i want to reject notions that we can appeal to all voters. i will never be part of a party that is anyway backstabbed from our historic struggle. if people want a college identity politics, you can call it that.
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but i got involved as an 8-year-old because of the inequality. we will simply never back down. the dnc has a lot of work to do. we've got to restore some public trust. the democratic base the stress can act as if the trust of elected officials the trusts. we have an attack on voting rights, the redistricting challenges. now they have a poster of society. we have our own house in order first. we need radical change. yesterday before the executive or as we went a 15-point part. we will post that on the facebook page in the coming days and you'll hear exactly what it is. it's based on reform, respect, accountability, transparency, engagement and empowerment.
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since there's so many dnc members ,-com,-com ma i want to talk about but i believe because we have to get our own house in order. we need to make sure that we have put those safe measures. i'm going to call the dnc empower their projects. a unanimous vote of the other raid offices of the dnc to override any decision of the dnc chair. all dnc hires about $100 must be approved at the dnc officers. contracts of $100,000 must be approved by officers. all loans of any amount must be approved by officers. all transfers of $1 million or more must be approved. each officer receives a monthly financial report and the executive committee. the dnc executive must adopt all fund-raising policies.
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presidential debate schedule and criteria must be approved by the executive committee. quarterly financial words to the executive committee and a senior staff must appear and give report on their department. annual financial report and operational reports. we need to make our meetings for interact. i'm sick and tired on this committee since 1999 and we get talkback. we need to be about to participate. and the caucuses, the full dnc with a lot more to talk about. the convention, the idea that we have 20,000 activists at our national convention but nothing about training them are engaging that are in some way communicating with them said that they are warriors for us. it doesn't make sense then we need to look at the idea of the midterm convention to engage and empower more people and make sure we can bring up a lot of
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our bench. i will be a full-time dnc chair. 24/7 for those of you who know what was done in new hampshire, 24/7 19 24/7. i ask for your vote. i hope to earn your vote. i think we can do this together, all working together. i think we can go out and win. thank you so much. [applause] >> thank you of every man. thank you to all three of you. i want to do this a couple ways. we have the two middle aisles here. we have two great volunteers. the rain from nebraska, alan from florida. are going to be a volunteers today. what i would like for you to do is if you are a member of this
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committee and you would like to ask a question, please line up at the microphones. our volunteers are going to control the microphone and give it to you when i call on you. we will do this in an orderly fashion. while that is happening, the first question is going to come from me for all three of you. perception we know. perception is reality in politics, right? for many, perception that this election was about reject them at any voters see as the establishment. controversy within the dnc during our primary, whether we like it or not created a very deep schism within her party and faith in our party was broken. so how do we begin to heal deep divisions as they begin the process of verse during this party we all love so much?
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jamie. >> i think the first thing is we have to get rid of this idea that there is a bernie democrat or hillary democrat or obama democrat. as long as i've known myself have just been a democrat. a democrat fighting for equality and opportunity for all comers regardless of what you look like, how you look with the background or or experience is or where from. that's the first thing. many of you know that i would on capitol hill for why a guy my job was to work and i had to get 218 votes every time the bill came onto the floor and i had to get up the in a very diverse caucus made up of progressives, two dogs, black caucus members, asian pacific, what have you. the way that you do that, you only have a 50% majority. the way you do that is you have
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to first understand that we win because we are a party of edition, not a party of subtraction. we also win because we understand diversity as their greatest strength of the have to appreciate it was at that. folks know in south carolina what i believe is bringing everybody together. listen to all voices. that doesn't mean i will agree with all the voices that speak a common but it does mean they know they are heard and respect did and at the end of the day, they know they are part of a process in which we make decisions. that is what we have to do in this party. people need to feel as though they are being heard. they need to feel as though they are being respected. they need to feel as though they matter. a lot of that comes from leadership, but a lot of that comes from people see that it's
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just not words, but also actions. that is the first thing that whomever takes this role is dnc chair is to sit back and figure out how you bring all these people together and how do you translate that you respect them and that they have someone who listens. >> thank you. a lot of good in there. i appreciate your answer. we have to really listen. go across this community urban communities, rural communities than the same period it is a process that every dnc member can have lead in their local community. we sit down with the leper friend. i think we need to have several
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listening sessions not justified by the dnc chair to be decentralized at the dnc chair going around to shut up and listen. we've got to get the resources to the people at the grassroots level. that's trusting folks. lots of folks like everybody in washington d.c. and doesn't give them to the people who can use them close to the voter. and quite honestly, it even though you haven't said i don't trust them, you could show you don't trust. so he evolved the power and spread it out to give it to the folks closest. one way to listen to folks is to help kerry and clark win
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louisiana. [applause] i'm going to tell you, i've got donations coming in waves. and i hope all of us do that because the truth is, you want to show you care about what she thinks? listen to what she says. they are please speak for you by saying she's giving some thought because of better shot in louisiana to win. am i right about that? let's start right now. wow, she said that bad. i don't have a problem with that. but that is the theme. the sin of people from the empower the dnc members to be the leaders not just in the dnc here in when we are together, but when they are spread across the united states. dnc members saying we are going to conduct a listening session.
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we will have the chair and vice chair can't do without taking your views on what's going on and send those resources to where they are most needed because we trust our leaders to just repeat those resources in the right way. so there's more, but that's enough for now. thank you. >> i touched on this a little when i talked about restoring trust. really we do with five issues that really destroyed the trust of the dnc or democratic party. one was neutrality. i have the experience of surfing through to heavily contested presidential parties. not one instance of me not being completely new show. you can ask anybody who worked on one of those campaigns. when somebody says they are natural, they'd they'd better be natural for real. the fundraising agreement was highly controversial.
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if the entire executive community had a role in that conversation, we might want to flag a little bit of thought. the debates again. they beat the dnc had a role in a role in not appear we might to say not sure if this is the right thing to do. superdelegates. there are ways to make this so that the states i reflect that of the vote. it is something the grassroots want any commission working on it, but i am committed to making it work. there are ways to make sure that those who are delegates reflect the state and i'm committed to that. the state convention. i watch the videos in nevada. we had a leadership in washington who decided to do
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nothing. i took the podium at our meeting last night and said we are going to get the leadership of the campaign in the hillary campaign and i will go on myself to every single one of those conventions. i offered to go other places. we don't need to have a near riot their state conventions. but the party needs to provide leadership at that. that's exactly what i would do is chair of the dnc. [applause] ..
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can can you speak to how the dnc would or would not, but probably would because we all have to prioritize, i guess some states not traditional battleground feel like they have just been dropped off the earth? and that, this is not a pejorative statement to any current or past actions but, this is an issue i hear a lot bit at home. how do we maintain the level after 50-state strategy. not just money. the money is critical. i appreciate it and i want to be accountable for it. it is not just about money. talk about how the dnc will have
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to adjust resources when we get into the presidential cycle and look at battleground states. how do you strike the balance between battleground and non-battleground? thank you again. >> start with congressman ellison. i tell you, i'm a proud minnesota tan but i was born in michigan. we didn't think michigan was battleground state until we learned it was, my thought about your question, is that we've got to regard every state as contested territory where we are going to fight and promote res sos to develop the vote in every single county and single local party unit in this country. i always hear we have to increase the party at the ground level. we simply shank our map shrank
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our map where we can win. we're have to be party trying not to lose. we have to be a party to that expects to advance. that means investment. i also think that, when we talk about apportionment, we need to be consistent over time with the resource because again, if you work inning year-round to develop the voter, you will be able to get the results that you weren't able to get. kind of like, i was telling virgil rollins. you want to have a garden party. she is famous for her parties at her house. if you don't have a great garden party, you're going to have to water the grass and fertilize it long before you ever have that party. and if you want to raise the vote in increased turnout, you will have to have a long-term commitment and a durable commitment to the party, whether
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or not it is in so-called battleground state. that is how i think we need to apportion money. clearly there are places that it is closer than others and you know, we might have to make some decisions and be flexible but there should not be one part, one inch of continental united states, any of the states, any of the territories, or democrats abroad that we say, we've written you off, we're not going to ininvest with you. we need to stick with that. so, thank you. >> james mee? >> guys, we have to stop with all the window addressing around here. maybe because i'm the youngest person in the room and i don't have the history and i rely on those of you who do but, let me just say this, this needs to be the very last election cycle in which the presidential candidate takes over the dnc.
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[applause] because the dnc is just not about winning the presidency. >> that's right. >> amen? >> amen. because even red states send two u.s. senators to congress. red states send members of congress to congress. and sew, and red states have legislators who draw the lines and make a determination. so when we ignore red states, we are in essence saying, republicans you just take those two u.s. senators and take all of those members of congress that they send to washington, d.c. when those people have to write the same laws that impact all of us in red states or blue states or purple states. our thinking has to shift because, my friends, let me tell
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you, if you haven't realized this, the republicans thinking has shifted. they are investing money in all states, on all levels. if we continue to only think of the presidential thing as only operation and only goal for the dnc, we will continue to have, what did i say, 33 governorships that are republican. our mentality has to shift. we have to be more than just a presidential party. and so one that means we have to budget. if we set the budget and say that we are going to dedicate this amount of money for svbp and state party, whatever, that is the budget. regardless if the presidential election comes up in 2020, we have a commitment. we made a commitment to our state parties, tear orreries and democrats abroad. we have to stick to the commitment regardless if you're
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a blue state or a red state. each presidential candidate and come to try to get the nomination, they need to understand that. because the power is with us. it's not with a presidential candidate. if we build an organization, a strong organization with a strong foundation, it does not matter if you have a political phenom like barack obama who comes along once in a generation, or you have a policy wonk like hillary clinton, you win, because your foundation is strong. we have not invested in the foundation of this party, and that has to be our number one commitment. that has to be our sole focus over the course of the next few years. so again, that is my idea. i ain't going to window dress anymore. >> thanks, jamie. raymond, before you get started, reminder if you have questions please line up at the microphones. right here in front of me.
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the other over here in front of alan. if you have questions, please line up because we're not chasing folks around the room. raymond? >> thanks, rick. the best part of always going last, i don't have to repeat everything. my first subject i was going to say, no more turning over the checkbook to the presidential campaign. it is absolutely absurd that's what we do every time. and when you get a chance to look at my 15-point program, you will see see it does not matter if you're a red state, a blue state, or a purple state. it doesn't matter if you are a targeted state or not a targeted state. because when you look at the map of the counties, i believe, perhaps rhode island is the only state that is entirely blue. there are red areas of every single state. there are democrats that need help in every single state. part of that is having field offices, permanent community centers i think we need to create and talk about. listens the presidential
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campaign has enough money to do their targeting. the dga, dlcc, dmo, they can pick winners and losers, not the democratic party. we have got to get out of the business following what their leads are. we should be about electing democrats in every single state. thank you. [applause] >> good afternoon. my name is lewis elrod. i'm president of the young democrats of america, and the other dnc members from my organization represent thousands of young democrats in hundreds of chapters all across the country. there are those of us who believe that youth engagement, that, securing the youth vote means more than hiring young people to work in campaign offices. it means more than hiring young
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people like me to run campaigns. it means actually engaging young people so that they are leaders of the party, and engaging young people so that they run for office. my question to each of you on behalf of my membership, will each of you pledge to put together a real plan for millenial engagement and turnout in election years? and if so, what does it look like? >> raymond, why don't you go ahead and start. >> thank you, lewis, for the question. it keeps gives me opportunity keep pushing some of my 15 points. youth engagement, youth vote, according to the most recent, that it was down across the country. according to what people are saying, it wasn't in new hampshire. we have same-day voter registration. so we can actually track where college kids registered to vote.
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it was the margin in new hampshire. that is why hillary clinton won was because of the youth vote that turned out in new hampshire. that is because we have long-term programs working with them. maggie hassen defeated kelly ayote for the united states senate because of that. carol porter defeat the frank ginza pause of youth vote. that is how we win elections in new hampshire. we have six state representatives under the age of 30. we have on staff, i don't know of any other state young democrats organization that had a full-time executive director. we did. we invest in the youth. we make sure that they're engage, involved, at every level in every state, and they are never not at the table. >> congressman? >> thanks a lot for that question. i really appreciate it. we absolutely all have to think about how we can engage young people in this process as leaders.
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not just staff, although for sure staff but also leaders. and i think, i will make that pledge to you, that that plan is there but let me tell you what i have already pledged to. one, that i think the college dems absolutely have to have a budget. i was told that the college republicans had five million bucks and college dems didn't have a budget. we got to at least let them go toe-to-toe, right? we got to be there for them. i also will tell you that i think we should have a focus on college kids but also on non-college young people. we act like everybody goes to college. a lot of people don't. my son, i have got three sons and a daughter. my second son went to hamlin university for semester and said i will be a full-time artist. and you know, that is what he does for a living. you know, the bottom line, we have to be at the apprenticeship programs. we have to connect, afl-cio has
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program called, next up. and it's all young people. some of them are pretty politically sophisticated. some are new to the whole thing. they have this big ol' conference they bring young people to every year. we should partner with them as much as we possibly can, look if you're fighting for fight for 15, if you're fighting for immigration reform, if you're a member of "black lives matter," any of these organizations, the democratic party ought to be contests for a little bit of your time and attention. not that we want to take you away from the great advocacy groups. we want you to know, at the end of the day you want to fight for 15, you have to pass a law and elect somebody to do it. maybe you, right? these are the things i'm prepared to pledge to right now. i think our labor friend can give us a lot of good advice how we can get to kids in apprenticeship programs. also veterans. a lot of our veterans, particularly afghanistan and
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iraq are young. i have another son, told you i have got three sons. he has not gone to college at all. he went straight into the united states military from high school. he is getting out in about two or three weeks. he is looking what he wants to do. we have to talk to our young vets because a lot of those guys have advice how we connect with young people across the board. thanks for making sure that we promise to use it. that will be a top consideration. those are many so of my ideas. i would like to get more of yours. thank you. >> thank you so much for that question. thank you for all that you guys are doing. again on the front lines of this party. so, if you look at the history of this great nation, all of the great changes in this country have happened because of young people, from the founding of this country, young people. from the civil rights movement, young people.
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in this next phase of the civil rights movement it has been led by young people. when i was 23 years old i was the youngest, one of the youngest non-profit executives in the country, when i helped to run a non-profit called college summit, which helps other low-income young people get to college. took it from organization where we worked with a few hundred students to now, working with about 11,000 young people. all across -- seven teen thousand young people all across this country getting them into college. when i was 29 years old i became the youngest african-american and executive director in the house democratic caucus. in 100 years plus of the house democratic caucus, which is the oldest organization in the house i was first african-american and youngest at 239. at 3i became the youngest state
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party chair in south carolina ever for the democratic party and if i'm elected chair at 40, i think i will be the youngest dnc chair. so i know about providing young people with opportunity and allowing them, giving them the opportunity to succeed and excel. and that is what i do each and every day in south carolina. talk to any of the young dems in south carolina, bree maxwell is my president and my meantee. i spend so much time. i'm writing a book with a republican friend, climbing a hill, how to build a career in congress and make a difference. that is what young people want to do, they want to make a difference. they want to be a part of this. they want to build their future. it is important that we do that. we have invested in so much in young people in south carolina. my vice-chair is under the age of 35. i'm proposing we create a under 35 dnc vice chair position.
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i believe a voice needs to be at the table n south carolina, we have the james clyburn political fellowship, gearing young people, training them to run for office, not just being the field staff but to run ors. one of my candidates who ran against mr. benghazi himself, trey gowdy, was 26 of years old. he went toe-to-toe with trey gowdy. we trained him and helped him on debate prep. it made me beam with pride. that is what i'm all about, empowering young people so they can be their own future. i'm willing not only to pledge that is my life history, man, that is my life story. so i'm in this with you. >> thank you all. jackson. >> thanks, are we good? thanks, rick. jackson ravens, chair of the washington state democrats and the vice president for the western region for the asdc. there are 13 states in the western region, about a quarter
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of the individuals in this room and good to see you the three of you representing the south and midwest and northeast of our country but i would like to ask you a little bit, as we talk about grass roots efforts and building the party and really drilling down on those experiences, you have all spoken passionately about the work that you have done in your regions, but as we know it's a little bit different in different parts of the country. so my question to you, is, could you speak a little bit about your experience, your knowledge, and your plans for working states in the western part of the united states often times there is feeling we're considered a very large blue cash register or a small red state that is a fly over state. we deserve more than that we have constituencies in the west that extend across borders. we have challenges that are unique and i would like to hear a little bit about your experience and plans for that. thank you. >> jaime, why don't you go ahead
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and start. >> jackson, as i said i worked in the house with the house caucus, and that means representing, working with representatives from all of the states. and so, you know, understanding, when you have to get 218 votes, sometimes votes come on the house floor some members just can't take and they can't, they can't vote the way the leadership wants them to vote because of their constituency. cultural aspects of things that just don't fly in their areas. one of the things that we have to do a better job of, and we haven't particularly in some of our western states, is, and i think, with a party, again we talk about these values but then our words betray us. excuse me. i mean, but our actions betray us, is that in some western states you have a lot of native-american community and, i've been doing some work with
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the kellogg foundation, they do so much work in native-american communities and it's, and it's big. what's going on right now, with the pipeline, guys, it breaks my heart. it absolutely breaks my heart, that we as a party, we're not standing up. [applause] and so, i mean, again, we can't just talk about this, folks. we have to be about it. we can't just talk about it. and i, to this point and you know, again, i love the president dearly but it is time for some leadership. i know he only has a few more weeks, but it is time for some leadership. it is time for cory booker, who is my man. i know he stood up and sent a letter. but it is time for leadership of
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this party to do what is right for the people. so, jackson, just know that coming from red state that is always the stepchild of the democratic party, or at least has been for the past, what, since the '60s, '70s, i know what it is to just be used for certain aspects and not feeling appreciated. and so i want you guys to know this is the commitment from me, not only for, you know, just our blue states and states we need but for all of the states. you have a partner in me who will work each day and every night doing what we can to do what you need to be done. and so, that's my commitment to all of you. [applause] >> thanks, jaime. let me tell you, i am firmly
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committed to elevating the voice of our western brothers and sisters. i spoke of the state of democratic party in the state of utah and actually, i think i have done that now twice. was very honored to be out there with my brothers and sisters in nebraska. i think jane clay is out there somewhere. there she is. how are you doing, jane. talk about pipelines, the original pipeline fighter over there, absolutely. [applause] and i actually, i have written letters asking the president to divert the pipeline and spoken at rallies. i have spoken and tried to save it. we have to get into a conversation with some of our folks in labor who are on the other side of that debate, to get us into some sort of a conversation. we have construction workers and native communities and water and environment and it is complicated.
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the democratic party should be a source for getting us in a room coming out holding hands together, never sacrificing where we stand on the issue of the environment and sovereign rights. and, let me also say, i've been to nevada, spent five long hours, stood with nevada, democratic party many times, but, there was really factional differences that i saw in philadelphia. went to speak at the breakfast, folks had very sharp differences of opinion. they asked me there to come to nevada to help us sort out memorandum of understanding and unity agreement? i said i absolutely will do that. and then weeks later got on a plane, went to nevada. sat in a room for five hours until we came out with a memorandum of understanding between sanders and clinton supporters. and was glad to do so, because i think that is something that one
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of our state, i mean, dnc chairs should do, is understand the conflict is a part of human existence and we need to sit down and help people sort those conflicts out. that's why i did that. now i campaigned in colorado quite a bit, one of our western states. in arizona, and in washington state was really happy to go out to help paul win her race in seattle. so give a hand to pamila paul. [applause] that's right. i spent the time and will spend the time. if we consider -- texas is southwest state and been there, campaigned there. went out to help chairman hinojosa work for a city council person, right? so it is not just, the federal office. we're working on the granular level. and so that's been my commitment. and i've been actually put my
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feet on the ground and spent time, supported candidates, sent money and giving of myself to help resolve conflict. i think in the west, state of california and, over time i think i have run out of time. but i will tell you more in a little while. >> thank you. i promise i didn't pay jackson for that question but i'm glad he did ask it. in my eight years as president of the acc i've been to every western state at least two times some nearly a dozen times. i have come every single time. i got to take that back. i have never been to hawaii in the last eight years, and if you want to send me, i'm willing to go. new year's sounds pretty good. no, i have been there, there has never been a committee or a meeting that did not include western states in the conversation and to cut it real quick, if you have got any
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concern about my commitment to the western states you should talk to leader hugin, the chair of the western states democratic national committee caucus who is supporting my candidacy. >> thank you, raymond. [applause] i think we've got a couple more questions, but i want to maybe be more of the provocative question asker, apparently we got some shy audience members. there's a line? >> oh, yeah. >> oh, okay. they're sitting down. go ahead, ryan. >> is that on? i am ryan ramirez. i'm the chair of the native-american council here for the dnc. i'm with the turtle mountain indians from north dakota. one. few.
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we also have deb hollins from new mexico who is first native-american state party chair. [applause] my question, some of what was answered, but, i would encourage you guys to make sure and include us in your comments when you talk about different groups, not one of you talked about native americans. you didn't talk, when you talk about latinos, asian-americans, african-americans, you got to include native, that is a big thing in terms of our communities. that was something president obama did on the front end and really garnered a lot of support, i don't want to see us go backwards in terms of that messaging in that place. so i ask and i humbly ask that you include us and don't forget about us as the first americans. and then sexually, i was going to get to dakota access pipeline. i don't think it's a complex
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issue between labor and tribes. it's a simple issue. it is about civil rights, human rights, about the right to have clean drinking water. it is not a complex issue, we as a party and as a people need to stand up for. when you see our indian brothers and sisters out there bitten by dogs, being hosed down by water hoses in freezing temperatures. that ain't right. that is a simple, simple thing. it is not complex. so i to differ with you on that, mr. ellison. it is a not complex in the least. it is simple. it is a fundamental right for tribes to be able to defend themselves and have access to clean water. everybody else in that community needs clean water. they deviated it to protect cities. why won't they protect our reservation. i mean, i appreciate the time but i did want to again just echo that it is not a complex issue. it is a simple issue.
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thank you. [applause] >> well, if i may, i absolutely agree with you, why i have spoken at rallies in my own city of minneapolis. why i have letters contesting and disputing the dapl pipeline. it is on record. i would like to send those to you, i'm on record standing with you and the dapl protesters. it is absolutely unfair in environmental justice abuse to deviate the line toward a native community and run the risk of their water, when you made a decision to avoid a white community. i think you're absolutely right. the treatment of the protesters has been abysmal. you're absolutely right. i spoke out at public rallies and signed the letters. but i do want to tell to tell you though, that i have had people come into my office, the workers are not to blame.
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we didn't design it. we didn't do this it is not our fault and we don't, we are trying to make a living. can't there be a way for us to, for the democrats to try to drive a win-win conversation? we're not talking about the company. i don't give a rip about them. what i'm telling you though is, that, you know, i have a long, strong, record of fighting for indigenous rights, environmental justice. i started a group called environmental justice advocates of minnesota. which includes native americans. i've been up to the reservations fighting for these issues but we are being, but we have another part of our democratic coalition, people who are workers, union members, and we, i'm just saying we've got to create an environment where we can have a conversation. i hope you agree with that, because i don't think any of the protesters have any animus toward the workers. i just think that we've got to
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create an environment where we can come together and have a valid conversation. so, that's what i want to share with you. i'll tell you that, you're absolutely right when you say we've got to lift up native-americans struggle. that's why peggy flanagan, that is why susan allen, legislators in my state backed them. i helped them win. also throughout the state of minnesota but, my only point was not that the moral issues are complicated, you're right, they're not, but we have this worker issue and i think we have to talk about it. >> thank you, ryian. i enjoyed serving with you on the executive committee the last couple years. absolutely is empowering to hear you being mentioned. i did not actually go through the litany of the people because i believe it is all but i know what it's like, according to "the new york times," the first
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openly gay guy elected to the state legislator in american history, i know what it is like hearing lgbtq mentioned, first openly gay state chair and first openly gay person to be vice-chair after national party. i know what it feels like, and i apologize if you didn't feel you were included by us but our support, i'm going to cosponsor, i have cosponsored the resolution for tomorrow's executive committee on the pipeline, because i think we all need to stand with you. we are also leading an effort. once, we were told that it was important to the native-american community at the jefferson jackson dinners. state by state has fallen. we have removed those names. we've gone, different states gone with different names but, we understand the pain of just the tragedy that occurred with the trail of tears and we agree
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it is inappropriate for us to celebrate that. so we absolutely stand with you. i don't think anyone here meant in any way to offend. >> i want to, ryan, listen, man, you're tremendous in the work you're doing, it is tremendous work too. as i left off my remarks earlier, everybody wants to feel like they matter, and that they're respected. lord knows native-american community has been disrespected from the start of this great nation. as ray said, i mean we were tussling with it, even in south carolina. i guess it wasn't even a tussle, because unanimously our executive committee decided to get rid of the name of the jefferson-jackson dinner. now i personally got a lot of blow back from folks, how dare you, one person said, andrew jackson was born in south carolina.
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and i said so was john c. calhoun, and? what does that mean to me? when my brother hurts, i hurt. when my sister hurt, i hurt. that's what we need to be as a party. listen, it's not about revising our history or what have you. our history is our history. we have to learn from it so that we don't repeat it. but at the same time, we don't have to continue the hurt around the injuries from that. and so, i stand up with you, man. i'm with you 100%. i'm with the community, and whatever i can do in the fight, just know that i'm here. >> thank you, jaime. alan, do you have -- >> hi, i'm martha lanning. i'm martha lanning. i'm chair the of democratic party of which is. i have a simple question but one incredibly important. i think if we had answered it
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this election we would have a very different meeting and very large celebration right now, and it is, how will you work to engage, or i should say re-engage voters who are from the industrial midwest? >> keith, think i. >> you know, being from the industrial midwest i could tell you what we have to do is sit down to really listen to the people about the economic pain they have been in. plant closings. people who are hoping the plant doesn't close. even when they threaten to close the plant and don't people are dealing with this day in, day out. in some states you know, we have governors have not accepted the medicaid expansion. in the age of trump none of us may have that. in the industrial midwest, i think people should know that, we don't consider ourselves a rust belt, you know. we're not rusted out.
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we're up and ready to go. around the other thing about the industrial midwest is that we're very diverse. i just don't mean racially diverse. i mean that we're geographically diverse. we have some folks that live in rural community, urban communities, but addressing this, this idea of deindustrialization that has taken place over the last 40 years and has flatenned our wages is very serious issue. the democratic party should be loud and proud about collective bargaining rights. the fact is collective bargaining -- [applause] started in wisconsin and yet wisconsin is one of the places, most under attack and public employees, we all remember when you guys so valiantly stood in there fighting against scott walker. the whole world saw your courage but you have to have a democratic party that stand with you.
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so i think we should really change our language. i don't think anybody is meaning bad way if they say fly over or rust belt but we need to enrich and enhance ourselves. just like the comment making sure we talk about our native communities and the key partnership we have with them, we also have to talk to parts of the country like the midwest and the south and we never contribute to somebody feeling left out, loss, second best, not included. and i can tell you that, if we invest in the grassroots on the ground, in wisconsin, michigan, and iowa, around minnesota, if we do that, and we prioritize voter turnout in 365 days a year, we will get those folks back and we will win all over this country and in the midwest. [applause] >> jaime?
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>> listen, i think many, a lot of the pain that is being felt in the midwest is also pain that is being felt in the south as well. very similar. the textile industry in south carolina was hit hard. so we had to pivot and pivot to other types of industries, tourism became one of them. now some manufacturing has come back but you know, we also at the same time, when we spoke, when the three of us spoke to our friend at afl-cio, i mentioned this, is that you know, we don't have very many unions in the south, and there is union presence down there but it's very, very small. it is a very small footprint. at the same time we have unfettered demonization of folks who work, who are union members, by our leadership. nikki haley has called union
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members thugs and everything else. as my grandma would say, everything but a child of god. and you know, it's hard to push back, and this is what my message was to our friend in the union, in the unions, in the labor movement, that y'all got to help us. it's hard to push back against that if you're not down there, if you're not working with us down there, if you're not trying to grow that area. so many of the pains that you guys are feeling that are the pains we're feeling in the south. and i can say this, you guys know my background by now, i grew up in rural south carolina. mom was 15 years old when she had me. grandparent, my grandfather worked in construction. had a fourth grade education.
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my grandmother worked at one of those textile plants that was shuttered. she had an 8th grade education. i know what it is like to be on food stamps. i know what it is like to have your lights turned off. i know what it is like to see your wages not increase or if they increase is a nickel increase or it is 10 cents increase. while the price of goods continue to go up. the price of gas continues to go up. the price of clothing continues to go up. i know what it is like to lose ground. and that's what a lot of folks are feeling. you know, a lot of folks said, you're, does a black man from rural south carolina understand what a white man from south carolina is? probably the least segregated places are rural communities. because those same poor black people, same poor white people are shopping and going to the same places all together because they all broke together.
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so, yes, a black man from rural south carolina does understand what a white man from rural south carolina, a white woman from south carolina, what they're going through. and, guys, there is a lot of pain still being felt. unemployment in some of these areas are still in the teens. so i'm in there, i'm in the fight with you. >> raymond. >> thanks. our problem in any one much our communities, not the just in rural areas but inner cities as well, we show up weeks before the election, expect somehow to be miraculously connecting to the voter. they're smarter than that. now the dnc has this new tool. it is called the building fund. we can take dollars that don't count against anything else, all kinds of interesting money. let's raise the money in the building fund. in my 15-point plan i want to work with every state party. there should be a field office,
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i like to call it community center in every single congressional district across the country. because i found in new hampshire, we had 27 regional offices, more than half of them were not paid by anyone coming out of washington or brooklyn. they were local people raising and helping -- it was partnership between the state party and local people making sure they had an office. we rented them early and developed them all across the state because they have become community centers. people come, they see it. it becomes part of their families, visiting with their friends. opening up the door. maybe we don't have a full-time staff person in every single one of those places but a place to go. let other organizations come in to utilize it. if someone is doing a postcard to protect women's rights, let them come in and use the tables and chairs. if it is about voter protection, let them come on in. invite people in. we will have the conversation in the community. we need to get back into the union halls. we need to get back into the church halls. we need to get back into, the
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communities across the state. which are too much of the guys in washington telling us things about analytics. no, no. screw that. we need to talk to the people. if we talk to people, they will understand what we believe in and they will be with us on election day. [applause] >> thank you, raymond. vanna, you're next in line and terry, terry tucker. >> this is on? >> we're going to move into one minute answers for the next several questions. one minute answers, yes. >> well, this isn't a yes or no question. you all talked briefly -- >> terry you want to introduce yourself. >> i'm sorry. terry tucker from colorado, i'm a dnc member. sorry, rick. you all talked about briefly between unity and bernie people. we have to bring ourselves together. the grassroots are starting to do that.
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these are not new ideas. we're beginning to have little meetings, unity meetings between us. we're doing things with each other so we are unified. the important question i have for you, is the unity commission. do you have an idea -- i think we're under a time deadline that, you know the members need to be appointed shortly. do you know who you want to appoint? if you don't, are you going to let us know? or will it even be you appointing because of our time deadline. i'm very, very interested in the commission and what your plans are for it. >> ray? >> i'm trying to remember if the appointments have to be made before february 25th? there's a part of me that believes it has to be and it will be donna brazile's appointment.
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oh, mr. roosevelt. was i correct or was i wrong? [inaudible]. >> bit terms of the, this is jim roosevelt, co-chair of rules and bylaws. by the terms of the convention resolution the appointment are to be made by the next elected chair of the democratic national committee. >> awesome. you already know where my commitment is. a lot of the problems that we had came with a lack of understanding and appreciation. i think that we need to make some radical change to how we do our process. and, i believe that the charge is not simply look at issue of superdelegates but to look how primaries are governed and how caucuses are governed, all of that work. there is enormous amount of work to be done to make people feel respected and included and involved. that is why i offered all those reforms to the dnc itself. >> thank you.
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[inaudible] >> since i thought donna was making the appointment i hadn't given any thought to it, but sure. >> well, let me tell you, no, i don't have any specific people picked out. i'm trying to get us away from sort of that kind of thing. i think we ought to have people who are interested, identify themselves and i think we ought to pick a diverse group of people who can represent all different sides of the debate because i think the democratic party should be democratic and -- yeah. and i just want to say -- [applause] i just want to say one of the most important things we can do for ourselves as a dnc, as a democratic party, not just to be fair, because we have to do that
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but to also appear to be fair, to set up transparency so that everybody knows what's going on, how folks are chosen. they had a shot. we can't guarranty you will get in there but you ought to at least be able to participate in you like. and, i think that this is definitely a real, a reform that we've got to make. transparency, accessibility and inclusion. >> i also thought that the donna was making the appointments and so, nonetheless i agree with what keith said wholeheartedly. there should be a process of people who are interested. my big caveat, they have to be people who want to be unified. because there is a lot of people who don't want that, right. they want the conflict and the back and forth. i just don't have any time for that. as my grandma always told me, to
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get respect you've got to give it and what i have seen, you know i had someone tweet, i guess we got cameras here so i can't use the f-bomb, but they basically told me when i was thinking about up whying into this process i needed to stand the f down. folks, i'm a poor black man from south carolina. my entire life people have been telling me to sit down. that ain't happening anymore. i'm not going to tolerate it. [applause] we have to respect each other. we have to respect each other's backgrounds and points of views. because we're all different, and that diversity is our strength but it creates issues as well. and so, whatever, whomever we pick on this, have to be people
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who understand that. that is the greatest strength of this party and greatest strength of this nation. thank you. >> thank you, jaime. ellen. >> thank you, my name is debra holland, state chairwoman of the democratic party of new mexico. thank you all for allowing me to ask a question. i don't know if it's a question as much of a comment. tell you after i won my election in 2015, about five minutes later i got a facebook message that said, congratulations, you're one of three native americans on the dnc. so currently we have a caucus of three people. and by all, i mean if you're calculating, i guess i should say that i'm a very proud member of 10% of a native voting population in new mexico, and a lot of native communities in new mexico have up to 40% unemployment and they still get out to vote and they vote 90% for democrats. so, i think that we are all
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missing a tremendous opportunity if we're not really, really working to engage those people. and so first i encourage you to keep the native-american desk at the dnc year-round. don't, you know, suspend it because we don't have an election year because those folks need to be engaged year-round. secondly, if we're looking at the, if we're looking at the population of our committee here, we should have at least 20 native-american members on this committee. so i urge you all to work and i know you can do that, through a lot of state parties and i know some state chairs who are tremendously engaged with their native voters, but we need, we need, we need you, our leadership, to do more to make sure that we get those numbers up. and i'm sure there are other ethnic groups who need representation on that committee. so i'm not sure if you want, may want to answer that. you want to take this as a comment.
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but, that's what we need. [applause] >> well, i'll just want to say, i think it is critically important that you made that point. i think, i'm certainly committed to increasing the native voice in the dnc, and supporting native vote, investing in that, because i think it is critical but i also want to say to you, congratulations on a pretty good year in new mexico and what otherwise was a tough year across the country. there were bright spots, and certainly new mexico was one of them. so thank you for your leadership. >> i just want to add, in addition to increasing the native-american representation on the dnc, we need to increase it in congress as well. it's, i mean, and in our elected offices all across this country. so, i'm in that commitment with you. thank you, deb. >> 1988 convention,
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jesse jackson in part of the unity pledge required that we all agreed to create a series of appointments to the dnc, to make the dnc more reflective of the democratic party and of america. it has been an important first and second and third step for many of our community on there. there was, there was a time actually, on our executive community of the dnc, we didn't have a lesbian. so i announced and some of i announced, some remember i voted no on every single appointment to the executive committee until we got a lesbian. then we got one. okay, we need a transgender member of the dnc. i first said to tim kaine, when he got elected, you got all the appointments. make sure we have one on there. i worked for bab sap per teen in
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new jersey. she was the first. now we have three on the dnc. need to use appointments and power of ability to bring in communities to make sure the dnc absolutely reflects who the democrat party is and who we want to be. >> thank you. senator. >> thank you. senator karen carter peterson, chair of the louisiana democratic party. thank you all for all that you're doing to help us for the december 10th election. appreciate it. keep it up. i will be passing the santa class hat a little bit later. we're speak about diversity. i would like all the ladies to stand up and show that you are here and present. those of you that will be voting in february for the next chair of the dnc. do you see all these wonderful ladies, gentlemen? >> yes. >> do you see them? they are voters. all right. you have not mentioned to us, just yet, here is your opportunity to tell us, because you know that gender gap is getting wider for the democrats. we don't like that.
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we did not break the ceiling on november the 8th. we don't like that. we're very frustrated. i was no north carolina right before the election, doing a lot of work. i saw a wonderful woman offer herself for the u.s. senate and she came up short. now, the governor's race, governor-elect cooper, it went really well. i was perplexed because i went to a lot of those rallies and saw deborah ross. what is going on. josh stein won. you win the ag's race an win the gubernatorial race but couldn't win the u.s. senate race. i looked at the numbers. there is something going on. the we need attention, just like other caucuses do, our women's caucus needs your attention. we would like to hear a little bit more about how you will focus on that. thank you. >> raymond, you want to start? you have one minute. >> your check will be in the mail. thank you for that question. i have elected more women to
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office than any other state party chair in american history. we have our two democratic women as governors. now u.s. senators. but members of congress. we had the first female majority legislative body in new hampshire after the 2008 election. i just want to throw one thing in there, because you, the women of the afcc have been my base. that is why i've been reelected each and every time. in fact my first sick tiff committee there was almost 2/3 of the executive committee were women because they really felt they had a chance to be involved. there is something i brought up to the rules committee two years ago, because we're unique in new hampshire, but i still think, because i get a lot of pushback in new hampshire. women are the only, the only part of the dnc that has a ceiling. i do not understand why it is
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not a floor, instead of a ceiling. why are women limited to only 50%. we could have 100% african-american, 100% lgbtq, 100 percent of native-american but women can not be 51% of the body, can not be 51 percent of any committee. can not be 51% of the convention. that's wrong. >> thank you, keith. [applause] >> ray, thanks for all you have done to elevate the voice of women. i share your commitment, but you know, you know, senator, i just want to recognize that in this year where we have the chance to elect the first woman president of the united states, the most reknowned misogynist ever won the election. this is something that we all really need to stop and contemplate for a moment.
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we live in a world that is sexist and unfair and all of us have to have a commitment to eradicating this. and, i wanted to let you know that you know, if i'm elected chair, i will use whatever power i have in appointments to make sure that the women's voice is elevated strong and equal. you but more than that, we will recruit women candidates to run and to win all over this country. i was so proud to see a young woman in my congressional office be elected to the minnesota state legislature and, i'm committed to that in the long term. so thanks for raising the issue. >> listen, i was raised by a single mom, so i know the power of a woman. and i am married to a powerful one. yale and harvard graduate and
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probably the smartest woman i know. but let me, i'm going to make some news here. let me just say this i know that we've been throwing around some things about whether or not we're going to have a chair, whether we're going to have a co-chair, let me just say this. if we do go to a co-chair model, then it needs to be one man, and one woman. because that is what we do in our state. and that what's with he need -- we need to do. if we're truly committed. again i'm tired of words and it is all about the action. if we're going to go to that, that is the model we need to do for this party as well. [applause] >> thank you. yes, ma'am? >> hello. my name's jane kleb. the incoming chair of the nebraska democratic party. >> congratulations. >> thank you. one of the things i really ran on promising folks in our state that the democratic party was
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going to lead on issues, not just candidates. we have to be in the streets showing independents and democrats that we actually have a backbone. when it comes to big issues like the keystone xl pipeline, like the dakota access pipeline, there are about 10 democrats that stood with us. representative ellison was one of them. but a lot of the democrats nationally said nothing while our native brothers and sisters are getting hosed with water, farmers and ranchers are getting land taken away by eminent domain for private gain. i want to know what issues you guys are going to talk about? what issue that you really care about that is important to democrats that is currently not talked about that you will elevate to the national level? >> could i follow up to that since we're running out of time here. in the coming years if you're elected party chair, in addition to what our new chair from nebraska had, how are you going
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to lead our party in opposition to the trump administration but also appeal broadly to the aspirational hopes and dreams of americans? because they are not necessarily the same thing. keith. >> well, jane, thanks for that question. let me tell you, i'm very proud to have opposed the keystone pipeline and the dakota access pipeline. i will tell you this, the issues i think are critical, so hard to pick between just one. . .
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health care access is now on the line. they are talking about repealing it right away. i think we need to go back to having mass rallies and gathering democrats in local communities and in washington but all across this country to raise their voices and really rally against the era of trump. i bet you we could attract literally thousands of people if we just started really creating a resistance movement. and i think, by the the way, this will attract people and appeal to the broad nation because trump said -- the truth is he's not going to deliver any. we will stand against it at a think it will get us back in the majority in a short time. >> that's how we're going to get the young people.
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i know you all about me say this stuff, i should not be the youngest person after state central committee meetings. [laughter] there should only be what are two people with naturally brown hair. we need to engage and involve people. young people come to our meetings, and there's nothing like a gathering of people. that's why go to church every sunday, or saturday, whenever we go. we go because we want to get together and feel good. that's why we need is to be a collective, the upper something together. that's what makes us americans. why we got away from doing that, i can understand. that's what i talked about in the midterm convention. i think that's important. let's let everyone come on in. let's let i don't have a voice in the party. let's showcase all these all the phenomenal people we have got all over there. there's the rally on january 22 in washington with the million
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mom march. i believe that has to happen not just in washington but in new hampshire, across the state. we want a couple thousand people. some people can't travel all over to washington but they can stand up and take a stand against what donald trump stands for. [applause] >> i just want to say time limits are discovered nation against governors because we talked. we take a while to talk. we should get like an extra five seconds or something. so three things. the greatest threat to our democracy right now, political gerrymandering. [applause] greatest threat to the growth of our party right now, young people. why? because they align with us value wise that they don't align us in terms of identifying themselves as democrats. we have to change that. i have $160,000, graduate from
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law school with 160,000 dollars worth of student loan debt. $160,000. sallie mae gets a check of $1 million a month from the. before i pay my light bill and anything else. that is what young people are faced with. we have to help them tackle that. last thing. economic stagnation credit. i tried to get the clinton campaign to talk about this. in poor communities, credit is the biggest barrier to living the american dream. and if we don't talk about and help people with that, they never will. [applause] >> i've had one of those terrible two-part questions, but it was like you read my mind. i spent the last four years traveling around the country and i thought we had a project but which were going to go back and look at the cultural identity of this brand, the big d of being a democrat.
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what i found was in particular young people but also people of color don't understand what that means for them and how it has an impact on the lives. so they lost this connection to what it means to be a democrat. we hire political consultants to help us fix that when in reality it's a cultural issue, a part of the cultural fabric of the united states. so how would you fix a? the second thing is i don't really have an issue with much of anything you all have spoken about today. i just want to know how you going to raise the money to pay for it? [applause] >> i can go. henry, you know i'm going to be calling you to help erase some of that money, brother. no, but seriously, the biggest challenge in raising money, i remember when i became chair and folks it's a you are a young black man and that was coming after -- a big trial lawyer, are
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you going to be able to raise -- ivories just as much as him. part of the thing to get people a reason to invest in your party. you had to give them something to invest in. it's why bernie sanders was so able to attract small dollar donation because people want to invest in a practicing reason why barack obama, the same reason why howard dean. they give people something to invest in. so that's the big thing. and again it's talking to our donors. it's basically where venture capitalist. here's our initiative, here's a project we need you to invest in. i believe if people saw the plan and the vision i think they will come and they will invest. the second thing you said, as i talked about earlier, my initiative, south carolina democrats care. going into the communities on a grassroots level helping people tackle the issues they are faced on day-to-day basis. we have to get back to that. we also at the same time have to demonstrate things what is going
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to discourage folks is when they saw the senate doesn't that black folks working or latinos working on native americans or anybody. that just kills us as a party. so we have to tackle things like that. >> when it comes to attracting young people to identify as democrats, i think of something that my dad always said. he said look, if you want a friend, the one. when you see young people fight for 15, occupy wall street, all these youth movements that are out there come in the street demonstrating, dapl, the code access by blood, all these things come immigration fight, the democratic party has to stand with them and make clear we are with you. that means, and that means being there and walking that walk in being there. i think that's absolutely true. henry, someone asked me to think we need to go left or do we need to go right?
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i think we need to go deep, and that means just build durable trust relationships based on unity and connectivity, and the answers will clearly. fundraising lies, let let me tell you, you are the man on that. we definitely will rely on you but let me tell you, i have raised millions of dollars for the dccc. i've raised over 1,000,00 1 mild give it to my state party, it is a time to task and a strong message, and people need to know what they're investing in. if that message is compelling i believe we will get right there. so thanks you for all you have done. we all owe you a debt of gratitude, henry, and thanks for your question. >> first off, henry, i would ask you to return as finance chair. [applause] but seriously, when the donors out there, whether it's the little old lady who wants to send in a five or $10 a month,
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when she trusts us we're spending accurately and correctly and not wasting it, with our staff all understand that $10 that they just -- that might have been a meal for that woman. people need to take that seriously. with our big donors see an action plan with proof positive that getting back into the communities actually is a hell of a lot better investment than another $25,000 tdm. we have all the money in the world to get to the corporate media, we have all the, you know, the consultants in washington, $60 million in new hampshire was spent by the various groups in the u.s. senate race. 250,000-dollar in the field, that's wrong. >> my name is ron harris.
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i'm a recently elected member from minnesota. [applause] >> there's a lot of conversation about gerrymandering being the biggest threat and making sure we went back those legislators and all the seats. there hasn't been a conversation about candidate recruitment or development. i would like to hear what your plans are for candidate training at the national committee level? >> i'm happy to kick that off. one of the greatest challenges, i thought fundraising was going to be the hardest thing i had to do as the chair. either people will say yes or no and you just keep on, keep calling and keep on. greatest challenge was finding candidates and training those candidates. so we launched a political fellowship. i went to caucus and clyburn and i said i want to do this fellowship in my goal is by 2020 having 250 and people on the state train to be the next generation of candidates of county chairs or field staff.
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we created a curriculum that was not just the nuts and bolts of campaign so they understand that what it meant to be a leader. we have done this, what, six weeks, six weekends, three days, and intensive workshop in which we go over everything from a to z engines of campaigns and leadership. images graduate our first class of fellows, 32, and we start our next class of 47. in these fellows have committed to staying in the state of south carolina and they represent every county in our state. and so that is what i've done in order to build. that's what i want to replicate in other states and across the country. >> thank you, and thank you for the question. i do want you to fall off your chair if you don't already know this, but ne new hampshire, we e a 400 member house. they are up every two years.
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i have been one of the late recruiters for the house for nearly 40 years. i started working when i was 19 years old. recruiting, trainingrecruiting,g and electing folks. we have 4000 immiscible officers that her up every single year in new hampshire. our 24 members dashed that our governors race is up every two years. if there's one thing we have is plenty of elections and plenty of opportunities to run for office. it is critically important you show the support you have. that's what we do really well in new hampshire. that's what we've been doing for decades spin i agree that we got to really recruit young people, set up programs to do it. i've been pleased to participate in the program, started in minutes so called wellstone action will retrain people to run for office and also work on campaigns. one of the things i think the dnc can really, really value at which communities is every time
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a member of the dnc or the democratic party gets in front of a group of people, to talk well about public service. i find, you know this, when we get up there and say government doesn't work, that does not help recruit people to run for public office. we've got to help them with got to tell young people holding office, running for office is noble. it is good. it is of a way good things happen. and then we will put in programs in south carolina and new hampshire, wellstone action. i have recruited many candidates for congress, city legislature pick one thing we must do is as a group, agree that we are going to all pump up the necessity of run for office and having good people in office and saying therthere's notice on in losing. the dishonor is in not trying. >> this will be the last
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audience question. >> thank you, mr. chairman. if i learned anything today we are very lucky, we have three great gentleman running for the chair of this party, and thank yothankyou very much. our party will be in good hands the matter which one of the three it is. the one question i have is based on what's happened in the past with our party and people not really doing this on a full-time basis and having other agendas and running in different directions, as you all have put forward very aggressive proposals this evening, this afternoon on why this party should go, are you all willing to make this your number one priority and the priority of what needs to be done over the next few years to rebuild and take this party into the future? are you willing to make that commitment and nothing else will stand in the way and that will be your moving forward? >> i absolutely will make this my nipple and commitment. i been having a series of conversations with many of you, and i am formulating an idea
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about whether or not i have to give up my seat or i can be in congress and served as dnc chair. when i started this conversation, i assumed that debbie, tim kane, governor rendell, other other people and other. i didn't think was a problem but i recognize we really are a new age. but let me just say this. i'm in the process of deciding this issue of whether i can perform both roles, but you asked me what it be my first priority? absolutely. you should know that when you're in the minority and there's no democratic president, all that is to do is vote no on repeal of the affordable care act, which takes about 20 minutes in a given day. every other moment i will be at the dnc and i will be working very hard. let me just how you really quickly. the day after i announced, i went straight to pittsburgh to
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talk to the dmo. went there, left there and went to california to talk two delegates there. left there, went to the district next to mine in minnesota, then went to michigan and went to new york. i went to 30 states in the last year. i have raised millions of dollars. i appear in the media regularly. i absolutely will be fighting to advance the dnc and make it my first priority, but the truth is, the job number 14 all of us, all democrats is to be defeating trump into getting back into the majority. i think i can do both those things but i am hearing from you and listening carefully. [applause] >> jaime? >> this is it. this will be my only job, this will be my only focus outside of my family. each day every day, 24/7. i have known key for a long time and i told him this when i
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first, when he first called me and said he is going to run. and i said he, i love you, brother, i know you have a lot of passion and energy but i'm telling you that the members of this committee want somebody who can do this 24/7. listen, hiding donald trump on the floor of the house of representatives when he is appointing jeff sessions to be over the justice department, when every single right that we have, that is going to be a full-time job. that is going, i just, i can't, i been on the floor of the house and i know what it's like. i think that is going to be a full-time job. and again, the question, debbie dated. debbie did it, i'll leave that up to you guys to make that determination. my big thing is this. we had the president. we had the vice president. we don't have that now. all we have is the dnc and we need someone who can dedicate
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all of the time to do it. >> thanks. i think all of you have seen my work as a state party chair and head of the asc see to know it is my only thing. that my life is about electing democrats because i believe that there's nothing more important than making america and the world a better place. that's how i've dedicated my life. i think this job is a really big and really big important job. and so i'm not ruling out if the dnc membership wants to bifurcate the position, i would be willing to serve as the nuts and bolts and let either keith or jimmy put on the pancake makeup and go on "meet the press" and go out and do all the rallies and things like that and that he get to work on the grassroots. but that's your decision. i would be the decision of the dnc to do that.
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i can do the whole job or i will do have a job. either way i won't be there. i want to make sure what we need to have done to make sure we're ready in 2017, 18 18, 19, 20, ad for generations to come. >> okay. okay. one quick comment. >> the question i was just asked -- i'm sorry. i'm from arkansas and chair of the women's caucus of the dnc. the question that was just asked, i just wanted to point out that our rules state that the chair of the party is a full-time position. i guess where some of the confusion has, when we had the bifurcated system in this kind of thing has been when the head
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of the party was the president. and then whatever the president at that time wants, then waivers or rules bent, whatever, come into play. we will not have that going forth when we do the elections in 2017. so it's not really a choice. the rules state that the chair of the party will be a full-time position. i just wanted to make that statement. >> can i respond? >> short. >> i appreciate you making that point, and i've appreciated hearing from a lot of our dnc board members. as i said before, i started with one kind of understanding, okay? and as i talked with all of you, it has become very apparent that many of you feel strongly about this, and i just want to tell you this, though i would love being in congress, because it
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allows me to serve my neighbors, i do think that it is more important to build, strengthen the dnc and the democratic party. and so look, the election is federally 24th. there are still many of you i have to still talk to. i'm hoping you will allow me, keep your mind open on my candidacy as we continue to talk, and, because i think i have an excellent record, great work ethic, a planned, a planne, demonstrate a background of increasing turnout. and i know i could be an excellent dnc chair. but we have a few weeks before with any kind of an election. i hope you all will allow me to continue to talk to you, hear from you, get your take on the best way forward.
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because i'm going to do the right thing for the dnc, right? that's what i'm going to do. and so i would just want you to know that. i think you may understand based on past history ho i started out looking at this, but as time goes forward its certain, you know, many of you are raising point i had to consider. so with your indulgence i'm going to continue the conversation. is that okay with everybody? [applause] but i assure you i will do the right thing for the dnc. >> thank you. >> a burning question from the audience. go ahead. >> microphone writer with manna. >> christine pelosi from california. my godmother is burning to ask a question, so as she comes up, my burning question what you talk about more diversity and we needed.
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my first easy resolution ever was to get rid of the at-large appointments to the national chair. they simply because we them for diversity. i would just encourage you all to improve the diversity of our communities of color on the dnc, and here's virtually with a burning question spent on the black caucus chair, right? we work very hard to get a diversity chair, the caucus chairs. this election, we talk about this every election about money come to our community. i didn't hear anything today about the african-american vote, the base of this party. can you talk about it? >> if we could keep our comments to one minute. i know we have other things -- >> as yo you know, african-amern women, we are the loyalist vote getters in this election.
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>> jaime, why don't you go ahead and start? >> listen, we all know of the importance of the african-american vote to the democratic party, particularly african-american women. when bernie sanders and hillary clinton and martin o'malley can to south carolina and asked me how do i win south carolina? i told them you need to talk to black women. you need to talk to black women who are my moms age, middle age african-american women. the personable when the primary is a person who can galvanize them and win their hearts and minds. so african-americans are very, very important but we also are the folks into groups that are also very important in terms of our coalition. the people of color that are in our group, that are in our party. we have to do a better job. again, from staffing to the people we use as vendors. i tweeted this the other day, you cannot have vendors create ads for african-american
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communities and that other people who are writing the ads or grabbing the ads are actually african-american. -- drafting. and for people of color across the board. you know where i am on that. >> thanks for raising the issue about african-americans as a critical vote for our whole country and our whole party. let me just tell you, i remember years ago when you had your african-american caucus in detroit, it was a wonderful event. and i am sure that event where you drew people from all over the country really had a pragmatic effect of turning out the african-american vote. without invest in african-american vote. we can't take it for granted or assume will have the african-american vote, just like we can't neglect the native american vote on the hispanic vote or women to vote or any one of our core constituencies. i believe in the investment it would also come going back, we had to be talking about plant water.
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this is a racial justice issue. rent to be talking about voting rights not just in the south but all of the country, restoration of the voting rights act, and police violence. it's got to be issue we talking about on a regular basis. and massive incarceration. so thank you very much for raising that. >> raiment? is raymond still awake down there? raymond? >> i think it is important that we focus on all, and that's why as i said in the beginning i did not start listing off each group. group. because if you include and engage every single group, and ask you to look into the leadership of the afdc is, and my hiring practices at the state party of new hampshire, and within the -- you will see, when i said, when i was a seven -year-old kid and start volunteering at eight years old, it was because of racial inequality.
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and so we must live it. i was completely furious when a read that story the other day about the lack of african-american staffers and usu.s. senate. i initially, i'm on the plane, i texted to don and i said if you're going to go to war over this i'm with you, i will join you. with all, we all have a responsibility to all the communities of color come up all the people that felt left out or left behind. everybody, everybody deserves a seat at the table. [inaudible] [inaudible]
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[inaudible] [applause] >> thank you. and i would like to say thank you to all three of her candidates we have better running for chair. so let's give them a round of applause and say thank you. and excuse them from the stage now. [applause]
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>> sunday, in depth will feature live discussion on the presidency of barack obama will take your phone calls calls, tw, e-mails and facebook questions during the program. watch live from noon to 3 p.m. eastern on sunday on booktv on c-span2. >> new year's night on q&a -- >> while people were starving, van buren was having these fancy parties in the white house. it was part of the image making where harrison was the candidate, poor man for the poor people, and he was this rich man
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in washington staring at the poor people. harrison had thousands of acres and an estate so he is a very wealthy man but he was portrayed as the champion of the poor peer women came to the parades and await handkerchiefs. some gave speeches. some wrote pamphlets and it was very shocking. they were criticized by the democrats who said these women should be home making putting. >> ronald shafer, author of "the carnival campaign", sunday night at eight eastern on c-span q&a. >> known for her appearances on the science channel, the discovery channel and a national geographic, astrophysicist hakeem oluseyi talks about science and innovation with a student audience at westminster college in fulton, missouri. this is an hour.
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>> i'll begin. i'll introduce myself. i'm christopher halsey, and analytical chemical professor at westminster college and it is, in fact, my great pleasure to introduce our next speaker, hakeem oluseyi. growing up in a tougher parts of nenew orleans, houston, l.a. and rural mississippi, he and his mother moved around often in the southern united states. from reading specifically the world book encyclopedia, if innocently with that, i know we know ever younger audience. that's wikipedia without the internet. that's where he was introduced to albert einstein and the three of relativity. after a short time in the navy he began his higher education at two blue college earning his bachelor science and physics and mathematics, and he tells me a minor in chemistry by the way. a masters degree and a ph.d in physics would follow from stanford. summing it up like that make it sound easy but in interviews he

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