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hound the administration will approach the presidencyin and key issues affecting the nation over the next four years.re on carol campus here beginning the first of a series of conversations and with them wide array of forces into bien conversation with a officer of the acclaimed best selling book for a detailed look at the white world voters. then to survey the landscape and then a week from tomorrow and then the cabinet nominees and thepp appointments made between
the of full quarter and winter quarter. and then to find out about these events. this is in the first the 2017 but for the new presidential administrationti on the horizon. . . >> we will put a microphone in the middle of the aisle and invite you to come forward with your questions.an we ask that you keep it short so we can get to as many of you as
possible.e podi please join me in welcoming josh parks to the podium to introduce the guest tonight. josh is a second-year economics major at the university of maso, chicago. he comes from michigan. he's a member of of the baseball team and the college republicans.. [applause] >> thank you. it's my honor tonight introduce some remarkable public servantsi who have devoted their lives to promoting a better future for you and me. sean is a native are hunter smallest state, rhode island. during the time is comedic asian director is the republican national committee he played an essential role in securing landmark majorities in the house and senate during the 2014 midterm elections. after becoming chief strategist for the rnc his goal came tointn fruition with republicans
gaining majority in house and president and capturing the presidency in eight years. in addition to his time at the rnc, he served he served as commander in the u.s. navy reserve. were deeply grateful for hisre service to our nation. on january 20 he will assume his role as white house press secretary and director of medications under president-elect, donald trump. robert gibbs, and native of auburn alabama served as press secretary during barack obama's first term in office. he also served as press secretary of john kerry's 2004 presidential campaign and played a key roleot in both he currently serves as vice president global chief of communications at mcdonald's and sits on the iop board of advisors. tonight on behalf of the institute of politics it is with great respect and enthusiasm that we welcome tonight's guest. [applause]
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[inaudible] [inaudible] >> let me just say that as i said at the offset, we know they're very strong feelings. what we're hoping to engender tonight's and opportunity for people to ask tough questionsin and also come and listen to understand and be in dialogue about the many critical issues including some he raced tonight. so i'll ask that all of us operate in that tone of respect, respecting each other at multiple points of view. >> i think he follows me on twitter by the way. >> first of all, thank you for being here. you are scheduled to be here november at a panel with a jolt from the clinton campaign and you had serious illness and your family, lest lest your dad for
which we offer our condolences. i appreciate you coming back here. he acquired a few titles since then and we'll get to that. i want to ask you to reflect back on the campaign a little. you were chief strategist and spokesman for the republican party in 2016.ector your the communication director 2012. a notice josh didn't mention that when he said you led the party through 2014 but we'll leave that.to you i guess my question to you is at the beginning of that process how much was donald trump on your radar screen as a likely candidate for your party? >> that's a great question. honestly the way that we looked at the 16 cycle cycle after the 12 cycle and we wrote a report on it one of the recommendations no one wanted to talk about is
that the party needed to get out of the way of the voters.al to be honest with you we woke up every day knowing our job was to have the capabilities we have the nominee and tori about one of those 17 or 87 or however many ran. it was a waste of time and a mental exercise because if we w will for you want at the end of the day job was to be ready for the nominee. clearly there is a lot of doubts in the media and pundits about how serious he is going to be. was he going to file his paperwork and disclosure forms. i think by month to in you realized this had some steam. there's a lot of people attracted to him.me there is the infancy of a movement going on.
i really don't think whether it was him, jeb bush or marco rubio release myself or previous as chairman there's very little you can do. at the end end of the day when the primaries are over and somebody has 1276 delegates they're going to be the nominee. so the nominee. so try to think about who youyoo wanted was a most a waste. >> one thing you did in 2012 was commissioned a report called the growth and opportunity project. it was really, really known as the autopsy of the 2012 election, kind of grim. but in it a major point was we have to do better in reaching out to hispanics, young people like minorities generally, women when trump came down the
escalator and started making comments he made about immigrants and so on, were you concerned that this wasn't exactly the playbook?k >> sure, it wasn't the playbook. first of all there's 218 recommendations in that report. on every one of them i think some of them the party specifically the rnc needed to do something and best in data in digital operations and expand the staff for more of a presence in minority communities where we haven't been campaigning in the past. we had not been there. so i think what we're looking for in the candidate was to see whether there is a philosophical buy-in on growing the party. when you lose the white house in the way that we had in the bush years we had one but it was that we saw the emergence of key communities especially theat senate community growing at a pace in a lot of states that have been traditional republican stronghold. we recognize the need to go out there and seller message. so there is a concern but i think there's no question you
can argue about the tactics but donald trump philosophically believes in growing the party and reaching out to people. i think there's a difference between whether not he may do it in the way that myself orht wass another candidate prefer to be done or thought was smart but he did it his way and he won. minorityhe certainly one. frankly you can look at the minority community in particular especially if you look at the black vote he increased overer do? romney. i think we have a lot more work to do? capsule he. i think think it's good enough? up selena. i think we went to places if you look at where he went philadelphia, detroit, baton rouge, philadelphia, he went to a lot of cities and frankly if you look at the totality of what he went it was probably more the last two nominees combined. >> reaching out to thoseching oo communities do think that's a
fair territory station. it feels feels like he maximized his vote in other places not in those communities.on >> i think there's no question there's a commitment, he went to places, he went to churches and to businesses and places that republican nominees have not gone in the past.means i'm not by any means saying that you have done enough, we have a lot more to do. when you get a% of the black vote that is not good. you need you need to do better, not just politically to win elections but frankly that's not where the party is. philosophically we have a message that should be much more appealing to minority communities i would need to do a better job of getting the message out. >> in terms of the campaign itself, i know you are strong the other day and saying that you do not feel the whole wikileaks things was determined to have in any way.
you are as professional, political folks doing there's three of us on the stage, you are outspoken and some of the contents of some of those wikileaks during the campaign so you obviously thought it had some affect her you would not be wasting your time talking about it. >> there's a difference between whether not a think it's appropriate for hillary clinton to get debate questions are not. and the proposed answers. but whether or not that's way the election or not. at the end of the day think something that's been overlooked t is the action in the e-mails. podesta said nasty things about hillary clinton, camden did as well and to some degree we have overlooked was in the e-mails. >> you didn't overlook him we talked about him. >> we tried, absolutely. but democrats if they get copies of memos they push that, nobody had
a problem with the new york times illegally publishing donald trump's tax returns. an inherent buddy say the idea that there publishing information that's not legally published we should stop them. they did not happen do that politically, we have a a job to do and that's when the election. i think we did what we could to maximize information we had. >> how surprised were you on november 8? >> mary. you saw 200 counties that obama carried flip. wisconsin since 94 in michigan since 88. pennsylvania, again we were hoping for one, trump did the best of any republican candidate since reagan and role of the island. i when he saw the breath and depth of that for those of us have been in politics it's
easier to understand pre-but it's like if your sports team and playing the undefeated team and you beat them, that when is so much greater than the win where you beat the team that was either a fair fight or you are supposed to win. so winning is always good but there's no question the clinton team thought they were going to win. the pond and set they're going to win. a a good chunk of republicans out there going to win. >> you sound like you thought they were going to win. there's a difference between did we think were going to win or to the magnitude we did.i i thought we could pick off, we had us winning michigan by two tenths of a point. but that's nothing you're putting in the bank. i thought the momentum was there but i have been through 12 and i remember on election day thest n romney people convinced that
we're gonna pull this out. >> you should've called me. >> we had to tell the president said before that everything was okay. throu >> i think when you been through that it's harder, i lost an election 94 by two votes on election night. so until i see the raw data i don't put a win into a win. he saw randy forbes and other incumbents were told by the pollsters you got this. another former member of congress. so you can feel good and the data feels good and the investment we made in data was worth it because one of things we knew was where the undecideds were and what was going to move them. we knew how to go after them weather is good to be a door knocker phone call and then followed up with how we chase
that absentee. there's no question the magnitude of the win considering what the conventional wisdom was was enormous. >> you mention twitter can we talk about that for second. >> do you know what the president-elect is going to tweet before he tweets itt question or do you get it on your phone like everybody else? >> some of them, three in the morning. >> i do not. >> you do not get them at a time?omethi >> no. once in a while he'll say i'm going to tweet something or what he think about this but he drives the train on this. >> how does he do it? on his phone? >> is an ipad and i know everybody's like who's doing this could that's in ios, he has multiple devices. >> i don't know how much your sleeping, and you wake up in the
morning, if you sleep with one eye open, do you look with a certain sense of dread? [laughter] >> no. but i do look there first. because that's what's going to drive the news. whatever he tweets is going to drive the news. use of a houseboat the other day. he sends a single tweets and the idea that the house was not focused on tax reform and healthcare and office focus on the office of government ethics and immediately it's withdrawn. there's a power. >> there get get a bunch of i calls before that whatever happened was a big's upland that he shut down. >> you into the white house yesterday and got a sense of the apparatus that is the building and you have worked there before. how much different do you think
your job will be because of thee president-elect and the soon to be president on twitter? >> we left in 2008 i walked outl the last day when you are walking in except i went out a different date. there is no handle for that. we had a single standalone computer in a room on the first floor they could go check if you dare had a facebook page if you're under 25. but that's when you could go on amazon a lot of credit you guys came in and really brought social media. if you think about the tools that josh earnest has now compared to the tools that you started with he has snapchat, there's there's the evolution of social media that has occurred and i look at now going what's o the next thing around the
corner. twitters going to be a major piece of that. not just that but a facebook page as well i remember signing up i think i was the first at press second and it was an interesting few weeks to start on it. there's no doubt it makes your job a bit easier in some ways but how do you think going off of what david said if i something comes at three in the morning phone calls, how do you think that's going to change th way you have to approach your job each and every day. if you don't know and i would think you would but if you don't know what you think he's going to set the day with. >> part of it is that will suggest things to them or this is a subject we should tweet about on a lot of it he moves
his head and says i'm going to tweet about this. at the end of the day he's the president and he will set the tone. we get up and our job is to march forward and implement the agenda or get to town. i know for a lot of folks i don't know if it's frustrating but i do look at it as an exciting piece of the job. >> no doubt it's exciting.. it as an element where you know that he can dry something, drive a message message and influence people in a way that hasn't done before. i think obama did some unique things with social media and his ability to speak directly to the american people. i think each president find their voice. reagan did it with local media i think this is going to be an exciting time. >> let me follow up on that. i always say for one thing you learn in the white house whether
you the president or someone who speaks for the president is that the things you say can send armies marching. so the notion that he would on impulse tweet something is it more impact now than it did three months ago, europe as mentioned the commander in the naval reserve and you went naval war college, when you see a tweet at the north koreans on their nuclear program knowingomn that kim jong-un is not the most stable of leaders, does thatt give you little heartburn.e of >> i think one of the things people when people talk about twitter in the president-elect he's going to keep doing it but i think one of the things that's lost is he's a very strategic
thinker about this is where i wanted to end up and he thinks backwards. if you look at what he's done in terms of carrier for the motion in congress, if you actually sit back and look at it he's been extremely successful at his use of twitter and getting results achieved. >> but as much as he's had success, what is his background on nuclear proliferation? >> i think there's a misconception or implication that he's randomly tweeting. you think he's talking to people? >> of course he is.e he makes briefs and he knows exactly where he and one stand up on a subject or outcome whether it's a foreign policy issue sometimes it's a phone call, tweeter meeting. but he understands the strategic value in certain actions. >> you mentioned in an interview
that business as usual. >> i think business as usual in general is over. >> or you been ahead of the press corps, and in fairness i know here the press secretarypr elect i guess. how do you see business as usual for the washington press scorers changing.there >> i think it's a great question, i think the answer in washington and you heard this during your time in the white house you ask a question and we've always done it this way, it's not just with the press score for someone in an agency is there reason we did this we've always done it this way. one of the things the president-elect has challenges us with this figure out if you
can do it better. is there a better value for theu american people are better outcome.er one of the things i want to look at and i asked josh this yesterday can i talk with several others in his or something you would change. president obama in 12 after he i was elected said one thing ie change morris relationship andnd logistics with the press. now i think the point he was making men and you know better than i do that we have to look at certain things that they can we do better. can we involve the american people more. it's not pro work on the press, there's reporters reach out to said you know what would really help her allow certain reporters more a greater voice in the press room my point is that instead of saying i'm and have a
brief in everyday at 1230 josh is allowed this procedure whatever to work at a certain way. i asked yesterday privately what are his suggestions. what would he do better part of it is bringing in the american people more. we use facebook library effectively during the campaign to bring people into conversation. there's things that may be papers in chicago don't get a seat right now are certain papers do insert don't come is there way to bring regional broadcast networks more blogs,. >> -year-old boss the new boss ryan's previous suggest may be the daily briefing is out. >> are there tweets that we can tw make? >> you have to tweet the tweet.
>> mike mccurry has been a big advocate of taking it off camera and i have talked to some of the press secretary's about it. once we televised it it has become more of a show then a substitute discourse. a gag eay the pentagon has a giggle every day and an on camera briefing a couple times a week. that's something that i continue test journalist do you think it's more substantive if we do this. maybe one idea is that we embargo the release of it so you can have it a discussion in the >> t not thinking and its immediate tweet fast. >> this is the intriguing thinga the president-elect tweets quite a bit. q he tweeted a couple of things today, one was on obama care where he seems to be ambiguous about whether congress should move forward, is it necessary
since there is not a lot of nuance in these tweets to have somebody stand up and see what they mean. >> just to be clear, there'll be a daily something with the press corps every day. whether it's a a giggle, and on camera thing or get embargo. the point i'm trying to make to put a pin in this is to say that i'm going to ask robert gibbs oo jay carney are bloggers, television executives and white house correspondent association and i'm going to seek input ando say there something that could be more valuable. will also seek folks not in the room and say you want a small blog in springville, illinois their way you think your voice should be included. may be sending in questions and start off a briefing three times a week by saying these questions came in from daily newspaper. at every new administration
there is an opportunity to say can we do things better? w one thing i think the president-elect would really like to see is how can we involve more people in this process and democracy. >> he's been critical of the press corps that followed him and called them disgusting people and so on. which i think is a majority of. he has been pretty tough at times on many of the major news outlets. what is your view of the major news outlets in this country? the major networks, are they not doing their job? >> i don't want to be stereotypical to say this out letter that i think they're good reporters that worked at berry's outlets and bad reporters that were caprice outlets. i think too often it's become a
click bait festive trying to put up a headline that's in competition to get more readers, more clicks, more shares. they lack the substance. i get more calls and say i'm on deadline and have 40 minutes k tells what your position is going to be on the iran thing in and i'm like it's going to take me 40 minutes to look at these terms. the other day got an example from reported that says i need a comment were going to nightly news because russia has hacked a power -- in vermont. it was wrong. so they wanted me to comment on something and i said do you have anyone from the ic community on the record? and they said no aren't sources are impeccable though. top-notch reporting. a day later when i bring them back they said well the sources.
were clear at the time. they're like the weatherman half the time they say it's going to be sunny it rains and will say let's talk about it tomorrow. i think there's a degree of accountability that they need to be held. the need to write stuff with impunity. you write talk about twitter, couple weeks ago there is something comes out that says spicer kicks jack dorsey at ah tech meeting. first of all out of all people jack dorsey, but a couple of outlets took it and ran with itw without ever asking. if you think about it they were never invited, therefore therefore i could've never kicked them out.with the but these outlets took the story and ran with it. the problem with things like that happened is you can't put the genie back in the bottle. as you don't get too caught the president say they admitted they are wrong. once the stories out there you
can't undo it. what i have seen more and more is it's become a race to be first rather than write. >> somewhat argue that you talk about it's all about click bait that mr. trump is kind of click bait king with his twitter.de >> he is able is one thing to make as they may come as a journalist job, but if you're responsible journalist your job is to get it right and understand the facts. >> 's about the job of the united president of the united states two? [applause] you're right but he has a right to express himself and tell youa what should be done and he's been effective at that. but but you can excuse poor journalism. >> listen.
[inaudible]remark warmer housekeeping question, i'm i'm always thought this was remarkable during the campaign that there really were no good pool rules in terms of having a protective pool. will the president-elect. >> it explained that. >> whenever the president is moving somewhere they take a representative sample essentially of the press corps. there's three reporters from the wire services, there's a producer, more than just a reporter and cameraman, basically so if barack obama goes out tonight for pizza, they would take a motorcade in which a van of that protective pool would follow. we had a protective pool during the presidential campaign. it never really got toefl protective pool for you guys.
>> she probably had more flying on the plane but not necessarily what i would thought of and what the press corps is a full protective pool.ou lea >> to believe you'll have that when you get to the white house? when when you leave the groundsr you commit to taking. >> i'm not going to say 100% because i think that's going to rest with the president elect. >> to think he should? >> it depends. he has a right to decide if he's going to personal activity with his family or something like that and it's one thing to notify the press i'm going to be here, you can stand aside and watch and i think generally speaking we been good about improving that relationship. it had a protective pool and we've allowed it to expand. it is is different when you become president because it becomeses part of the motorcade and it's
easier to move. there's a press compartment on air force one. the facilitation of a protectiv. pool. >> you'll have press on air force one when you travel?kn >> is our intent. >> you'll use air force one? it's a a lesser plane. >> he does have a nice plane. >> what is your definition of fake news? >> that which is intentionally false. i think their mainstream stories that i would put into that bucket as well. i think stories that are legitimately have no resemblancy of actual facts or no intention of seeking out the truth.. >> so not just something that someone makes up on the internet but somebody died or some pizza parlor in washington as a childy
sex ring that elicit some guy with a gun. you you think this happens in the mainstream? >> what i'm saying this there are instances where i think reporters have legitimately overlooked facts in an attempt to get a story out quick.e. the twitter story being an example. that's a fake news story. it is not real. tick po >> in that particular case political posted a story that they did not to deal do deal diligence on. those fake news. >> look, any any day you deal >>th the press you're going to find things to get wrong for whatever reason. >> there's a difference between getting wrong and not actually doing your job. >> but does that, do you you
think politico sought to make something up? knowing the people who run political they have a reputation [inaudible] >> there's a difference between that and intents. there's certain things things that you can say did you intend to go out. >> let's put a fine point on it. someone puts on the internet aoi story that some pizza parlors running the child sex ring and hillary clinton is involved in it you're not equating that witn the reporter. >> no.>> what i'm saying is there's bad news but i also think that if this story is not at all accurate that's fake. to limited and say it's only stuff on the internet or someonei wo intentionally did it, out expanded to were summoned intogb
do diligence is one thing to be wrong or inaccurate, we misplace misplace a decimal point orwh soldier name, but when you intentionally put out a piece of news for the sake of rushing it out, that is fake. >> you into the white house yesterday and were telling us that i don't know how long you're supposed to be there buta he said he spent a while there.d give us a sense of what you learned and what was the biggest surprise about i don't want to divulge every conversation you've had brett's or anything that that surprised you are something that you took away and learned that me to rethink how your thinking about this president dealing with the press and you dealing with the press? >> there is is a host, and i
don't -- logistically, briefing -wise, what, what you do to get ready to everyday? there are things that dana had talked to me about briefing books and the stuff she did to prep. and the one of josh assistance showed us some procedures they do in terms of the information they have access to. and and how they go about getting thatit. information. knowing some of it is not for the public domain. and then you realize the volume of stuff that you must consume to be ready to face theseen thes questions. and there's things like it's eight years ago that i walked out and you forget the size and scope.v and when you walk in the lower press there's press briefing on tv than there's a lower press they can open the door and a bench of the press assistance work there. they're the ones who interface with the press guy. the press secretaries in the
hallway and you forget the size and scope. r that's a lot smaller than i remember. your squeezing 12 people in a room the size of this. >> and that the door that will remain unlocked? >> we'll see.s i the door to the lower press i would imagine.is say, >> part of what i don't want to do now is say this is what's going to happen. the conversation i'm having is would you continue to do this to think it's smart what are the pros and cons and which you increase or decrease something and why. why debrief at this time can you do it earlier later? the ideas to challenge myself and my team to say is there some way that could be more informative or better. what we need to prepare.
>> we have a line of questioners here. so please identify yourself. we ask that you end up with a? >> will try to get to as many as we can.e >> i promise there's a? i'm fourth year in college, thank you for being here. also i didn't see from back here but i like your socks. >> my potential question could be a hard question. president-elect and his circuiti are committed to misinformation sometimes flies. whether is the president-elect
claiming he saw -- or pushing fake news that led to fake news. the lead to a gunman entering a pizzeria and dc. do you the trump administration deserve the trust of the american people? if so, why do deserve our trust? finally how do you see yourself as press secretary working to tell the truth to the american people? >> he could be an aspiring reported there's three questions and that one. >> i've spent 17 half years inff the navy and public affairs officer in three years with the bush administration was served 11 different members of congress i believe that you one thing whether you republican, democrat or independent you have your integrity. i might tell someone i can't comment on something i'm not able to discuss it but i've never lied. and i don't intend. out intend. i would argue anyone who's an aspiring communicator it here today. if you lose the respect and trust of the press corps you got nothing. one of the things that allows u to promote or kill a story is
that reporters trust us and know that juergen away from off a bad things. so all i can tell you is i intend to have a very prosperous life after this. >> and so i need to walk away with this.you qu >> would you quit if you are asked. >> i don't think any communicator worth their salt can go out and tell a lie. you can't do it. i think it's one thing first surrogate to to say something and i'm not advocating that, you can spin the way you want to think to goo out and tell a lie something that's not acceptable. beyond that personal piece of this i think the american people deserve public servants that are
up there and while you may not agree with the agenda i don't agree with a lot of the policyhe of brock obama but he's a. commander-in-chief, is their president he deserves respect of the office.m young >> i have one question. president-elect trumps you social media platform as a way of shaping his foreign-policy message.pa his recent week on china's perceived on north korea's new program but unfortunately for now not only to beijing authority shrug it off and regard trumps tweets as part of critic also did many. my question is, is this what you call direct pipeline to american
people to rail raven debate about pressing foreign-policy issues? >> the president-elect has spoken at 75 different for leaders. he understands the role bothnd china and russia play in the glow. he's committed to making sure that we have a relationship with both. in terms of protecting the american jobs of the jew political nature and threat that they face. he will have a relationship wit those presidents and hopefully it will be to the benefit of the american people. >> hello. my name is david and i have no interest in being a reporter. my question is related to chases but i want take a step back. the the oxford dictionaries word of the year for 2060 was post
truth. >> it's hyphenated. i want to know is someone who serves at the pleasure of the president, what you believe is his relationship to truth and what do you believe it is your relationship as a representative of press of truth. >> he fundamentally believes what he says that it's in the best interest of the country, so to question somebody's desire to be truthfulness is insulting, i think people come to conclusions that you have to wonder how they came to that but i don't believe they believes those leaves her
conclusions are true. my job is to represent his beliefs and articulate them to the press. >> thank you. when he says for example millions of people voted illegally, i believe that you're telling me that he believed that when he said it. but that doesn't doesn't make it true. >> no, but david's question was does he believe what he is saying is truthful and the answer is yes. >> i'm kyle a fourth year in the college. we talked about trump in a strategic thinker in regards to nuclear proliferation. however, he was elected on the basis of strategic thinking that area business and also worth that hearing that his business went bankrupt a couple of times.
so why should we trust trump blindly saying that he's a strategic thinker in this area where he has no expertise in this other people with expertise and he surrounding himself with individuals sas with similare experiences?th >> one, trust is earned. hopefully. hopefully over the next four years and x next eight years he earns her trust and respect. like anybody else there's action but asked to be taken place. frankly with any job you walk into the classroom and why do you trust the professor knows what they're talking about, at some point you look up midsemester and says i learned a lot and i think it's good reading in the way presented it and they've earned your respect. that's how you perform any job.o . . foreign policy, he earns just to.
with rex tillerson, i have spend some time with him. he is an unbelievably impressive clark for secretary of state and people need to -- you think about rock's job with mcdonald >> how many locations throughout the world. >> 36,000. >> you're dealing with countries and employees and laws andem something goes wrong in a country with a mcdonald's they have to evacuate them. deal with the lead of leaders. rex tillerson's experience at ex-son has allowed him to develop relationships in 50 plus countries. someone who is minister of finance at one point is now the prime minister or the president, he has got a personal relationship with him, he understands some of the business that goes on nat. bit the end of the day he -- his job was to make sure that exxon got the best deal, and so he would work with countries to make sure that his interests -- this is a guy who is welling to put all of that aside to do the same thing for the country, and
when you hop hopefully through there is confirmation hearing -- hearings -- this is an unbelievable gifted vivid individual and is willing to pup a lot of side because he thinks he can help serve the country in a bert way. >> thank you. >> hi. i'm current second year in the college, thank you for being here. i think a lot of us are curious about the president's current skeptical role about the intelligence community in our country. i wonder what your role would be -- sorry -- when the president takes such a public and adversarial role with the intelligence agencies. >> i'm glad you brought this up. there's an interesting dynamic with intelligence and this is where i think -- there's raw intelligence at the -- that the agencies food the pret, the
president-elect and other key anybodies members of the government. raw information.nformati his national security team and advisers invites the data and make suggestions suggestions and recommendations on policies the protect and the president-elect should take, whether it's a stance or policy they should take. there's a difference between believing the data and the outcome. i'm going to use an analogy butt if you walk two weather stations at night, there are one station can say we don't believe it's going to rain and one does. that doesn't mean the data was flawed. it men's one meteorologist believes that i look at this date and i believe this outcome will occur. another one says i believe there's a different outcome. and it's not just that's a simple analogy but any situation. you can look at it -- a situation or set of facts and come to one conclusion, and what i think the president's -- president-elect's skepticismpr right now is whether or not some
of this raw data is being interpreted in a way or -- hetee wonders why it's being interpreted the way it is. t and so this friday, he's going to sit down with the director of the fbi, comby, director of national intelligence, clapper and direct offer the cia, brennan, and asked them how they took the data that was presented and came to the conclusions they did. and i think that part of this is understanding do they all share the same conclusion? what are their concerns in a lot of this -- of the reports you read talk about how there's a high degree of confidence. we believe the following. and i think what he wants to know -- if you think about -- y i'm night frying to -- we had the weapon's mass destruction, benghazi blamed on a video. he says this is what i hear. how did you come to thicks conclusion and to what -- this conclusion and to what degree of
certainty have you come to it? i think that having a healthyf t degree of sent -- accident simple in the neal is a good thing. the dat is not being questionedu it's how did you take the data, which is classified, and come up with this conclusion?? >> ening i follow up? i want to be a reporter. >> this must be a three-part question. >> you have john's -- brennans here tomorrow. complete -- >> a high degree of confidence he's going to be here tomorrow. >> how did you come to that conclusion? >> do you think, though, that -- much of the data you're talking about is unknown to most american people. >> that's right. -- un >> do you think having this debate over that data and analysis in the way it's been had right now is helpful to the country, the intelligent
community, or to the president-elect? >> i'm not suggesting we should not have a debate whether intelligence is factual. we have all seen evidence of -- we have gone to war over things that work right. is that a debate that is being head before he his president --o is that serving the country? ike along at the position he is put in. why don't you believe -- let's understand something. that the report that we're all talking about is not final. the president over the united states, barack obama has not been briefed on this. he'll be briefed later in the week but the intelligence community has not issued a final report. so the idea we're all being asked what our opinion is on something that is not final i think is frankly irresponsible.. >> the president-elect hasas offered his opinion freely on it, even though it isn't final. >> i understand that but he has -- [applause]al >> he is offing his skepticism
and has asked for the intelligence heads to come in, three of the 17, and give him why they came to the conclusions they did. frankly, i believe that is the logical way to come to a decision., ask people to complain and either agree orhe disagree but you have the opportunity to question them how they came to the conclusions, what the degree of certainty they have, but i think that the idea that the president-elect or frankly anybody should be judging something before it's final is not a smart idea. >> we're going to try to squeeze in two last student questions here very quickly.. we'll have you and then the individual right behind. >> hello. i'm tristan kitchen and thank you for coming to speak with us. you have been outspoking in talking not liberal bias in the mainstream media and i wonder if
your just concerned about bias from right wing sorts century a fox news or breitbart, and whether talking about main stream media is a political point rather than wowing about -- i think breitbart is unapologetic, the same theyim about "huffington post" is liberal. that's find, and i don't have the a problem with it in the sense i believe it's healthy in a democracy. we have had thissons our foundation, of people coming out and putting papers and fliers and pamphlets back in the day that had a very serious bend. think that's healthy. i have no problem with it. what i have is a problem with quote-unquote people who believe they're mainstream, pretending to be neutral when they're not. and i think part of it isn't just the way you cover stories but the storied that aren't covered. we have done a ton of come pains. in every single campaign, when
the legal of conservation voters comes out with the score card eight a front page thing and notably the republican gets an f. when the -- chamber of commerce comes out, they say they don't could have that. that's bias and sun who has spent 25 years pitching reporters stories, there are stories that literally a reporter will say we dent care about -- we don't care about that. i'm not a painting a broadbrush with a every reporter but i think after 25 years i can tell you -- studies have been done, not just me -- most stories point to the fact that the majority of reporters have a liberal bent to them and it's important to make shire when you're a leader or consumer of a story or outlet you view it with a healthy skepticism where the news is coming from and the
filter it's going through. >> one last question. >> earlier when you talk about what constitutes fake news. you talked about how a reporterb not doing their due diligence, r even if they believe something is true, might constitute fake news but at the same time you defended the president-elect in his relationship to the truth when you testifiedded his statement by saying if pipe believe they're true that it northerlialitily good and dish didn't. >> there's difference.ha you're allowed to have an opinion. i can believe something or i can care about something or i can believe in an outcome. but if you're a reporter, your job is to get it right and get the facts right. >> what about if your the what president? >> hu?en >> isn't that the job if your the president of the united states? >> sure. if he believes that's true it's not in -- my opinion is you're asking me the definition of news or fake news is. he is allowed -- every president is allowed to draw a conclusion or opinion based on the facts they have. there's a -- it's an apples and
oranges do. >> the same is true you wouldn't extent tom same thing to a reporter if the reporter believed what they wrote was true. >> then they're an opinion writer. think if george will or maureen dowd writes something i don't hold them to same standard as a reporter. they can write their opinion. that's why we have an opinion writer and we have news. if you want too express opinions, god bless you, put it up as much cass you want, tweet it out, facebook, get a column,. start your own blog. that opinion writing and i think it's a very healthy part of the democracy. but the think that's a big difference in saying this is news. we are going to put it then onus section of "the new york times" or cnn. if you're going to express your opinion or your bias, then you should move over to the other side of the house and callou yourself an opinion writer. >> thank you.ov >> thank you. >> i just want to say, thank you to all of you for beg here
today; for asking excellent questions and giving sean a respectful hearing and thank you for coming here dish adopt think anybody in this room would be surprised to hear that we have many differences, and we -- i imagine we'll continue to have many differences over the coming years but i think it was -- saym a lot he kept his commitment, that sean kept his commitment to be here to answer our questionse and your questions, and i very much appreciate that. >> thank you. thank you for having me. [applause] >> it's an honor to be asked. think both david and robert are true pros. david has been someone who i developed a friendship with over the years, a trusted person. one thing that is important to understand about this is that in washington, i think you can be a fierce political person but you can be a good person, and i think robert, david, are in that
category of people who can check the partisan and talk about things we agree upon or understand each other in a deeper way, to understand ourgr controversy just agree to disagree in a civil way. that's especially these days a very important part of our democracy. second identity i'd like to thank you. leave here vomit free and i appreciate you keeping your word. >> is was hoping you would say that is a we went out the door. >> please join in the thinking sean spicer, robert gibbs and david axelrod. [applause] [inaudible conversations]
[inaudible conversations] >> you're watching c-span 2. tonight michelle obama's final speeching a first lady. a look back at school segregation in u.s. and an update front the white house as the presidential transition continues. we'll start with michelle obama. she honors the 2017 school counselor or the year. [applause] [applause] >> thank you so much for that. i am sure i speak for everyone