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time. and therefore it should be able to save my own life anywhere, anytime. [applause] >> and with that, i think we will end. thank you so much for coming and enjoy the rest of your weekend. [cheers and applause] >> welcome to our first panel. when did world war iii begin. part 3, threats abroad you please welcome the white house, the honorable sebastian gorka. dr. zuhdi jasser, ambassador francis rooney and u.s. army green beret mike waltz. our moderators aclu foundation senior fellow lauren chang. ♪
>> good morning. yesterday during world war iii per day, we heard about the massacre as. today we turn our attention to foreign lands and unfortunately there's too much to talk about. for example, gorbachev said it looks like the world is preparing for war. the trade says the international system is under an accident and attacks from multiple directions in the global order a sliding into disarray. carter's national security adviser also said that there is no international structure capable of handling front that will occur almost simultaneously. and he's right. there is no capable international structure. let's not forget, there is the united states of america. its friends, allies and partners.
but the u.s. is under assault from two authoritarian state, pushing products used and nonstate actors. today we will start with russia. ambassador rooney, usurped in europe. you know the russians well. are they our friends or are they our foes? >> you know in foreign policy is about defining your strategic interests. we have a situation now that after many years of tacit and implicit appeasement to president putin that they have a doubly difficult challenge reasserting the kind of strained we asserted during the reagan years. the guy particularly dangerous, a tbg agent and the lovers of the ball for a lot of problems. the activities in the frozen conflicts to have started under president bush.
we've got an uphill climb to go to reassert america's strength and get the relationship back in parity with russia. >> in the middle east, how do you see them? i'm a disadvantage to us? >> if you read the news hour, president and has a personal preoccupation with radical islamic terrorists, something manifest had the same thing. his support of syria to dr. isis and al qaeda is logical from the pursuit of his national interest. we align perhaps in pursuing isis and al qaeda did not syria and a lot of other areas where russia is in age and a left aligned manner with us. the ultimate question concerning syria is what is going to happen with a shower and who will we replace him with? >> sebastian gorka committed the assistant to the president. you just mentioned a space. they love you out there.
where we are in a fight with isis? >> let's start with the last eight years. we have set the stage and understand what has been under the obama administration. jesus didn't exist a decade ago. seven years ago as the al qaeda and iraq franchise. today it is the most significant jihadist organization or the last 90 years. it is the first you have your nation to capture territory in multiple countries have multiple regions. local rom in nigeria is a sworn part of isis and the islamic state that was declared out of mosul two and half years ago. they have money, capabilities and the scary of course, think about this. politics out of the equation because politics was undermining national security assessment or the white house years of
president obama. since the caliphate to a naff years ago, we have killed or arrested 125 people in america linked to isis. not 25, not 35. 135. when omar in 19 killed 49 american and her window, what did he stop to do halfway through? he picked up his cell phone and did what? called 9-1-1, not to bring that to swear allegiance to the islamic state. things that the last administration's attorney general tried to censor from the transcript of that call. jesus is serious and the worst jihadist threat we've seen in almost a century. but on january 20th, 27 and at 12:00, it all changed and the
president -- [applause] we are going from eight years we are going to ameliorate the threat. we are going to degrade the threat. how about this, we are going to eradicate isis. [applause] >> mike waltz, u.s. special forces found her. have you see isis and also russia's vulnerable mess? >> you know, i'll share with your personal experience of mine on the ground in afghanistan. there's been a lot of discussion and hand wringing and we are 15 years into this war. if their nations longest word. a lot of folks don't realize we don't remember necessarily vietnam was 10 years.
in afghanistan we are 15 years in accounting. i was out on the ground when president obama announced the surge in 2009. as standing in my headquarters and in the saints bg announced his withdrawal. an officer standing next to me said sarah, look at me. can you imagine franklin delano roosevelt in world war ii and now seeing d-day until it determines who are leaving the same time. so i can tell you out on the ground we immediately felt the effects of this notion of america's leading, america is turning its back in america's not going to lead in the world anymore. in my own experience, i've been working with a mask and older for the better part of a year. i drink so much tea with this man to build a relationship. a week after president obama's announced that, he looked me in the eye and fed me, my tried and make it 1000 fighters that i
wanted working with us and not the bad guys, we can support you anymore. take this message back to washington. i think this is illustrative of what we are dealing with now. until you're prepared to commit your grandchildren. not your children, but your grandchildren to stand shoulder to shoulder with meg or in children and fight islamic extremism, you will never be successful here. every 15 years and russia not yes. are we in for a lot more fighting and do we need a long-term strategy to undermine the ideology of the islamic extremism just like we did -- as in then communist and, yes we do. gordon, i think we are in for a long haul and our nation's leadership needs to begin telling the american people, i'm sorry we don't have a choice. we are 15 years in what is a multigenerational war because we
are talking about defeating an idea. very difficult and that's exactly what we have to do. [applause] >> sebastian, let me come back to you. you heard mike talk about a long-term strategy. >> one of the speeches that really less than adequately paid attention to was the president's campaign speech in youngstown. you will see everything we need to do in the plan were going to execute. i have to disagree mildly with my colleagues and especially the gentleman who just shouted out from the audience is impossible to defeat an idea appeared wrong, sir. wrong. [applause] we jettison the idea that this is a generational war. we will defeat a safe and we
defeat them rapidly. to undermine the ideology would take a little bit longer. remember one thing. in 1997, a man called ronald reagan stood in front of the war and said mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. without a shot being fired, and the people in prison on the side of the word took it down. [applause] >> zuhdi jasser, there are ideas we have? >> i think so. avicenna seared refugees who escaped a minute 60s. there is nothing more american than fighting theocracy. that is our country how our
country was founded and there are muslims across the world to share our values dictatorship via secular military fascism, monarchs are the islamic theocratic. both sides of the fascist equation across the organization of islamic cooperation are both the firefighters, but also the arsonist and the only adult in the world if the west, america that was founded on theocracy. we have to stop rationalizing this long. they checked the box minorities. we have ideas that span from the mentalist to orthodox, liberals. we need to start taking sides. the secularists fighting for freedom against the isis islamist because the old 20th century bargain that the enemy of our enemies friends with this
laughable program that we get rid of it is tomorrow or next year. unless we in the muslim community and we want to see this government and finally we have a president in the white house going to identify islamic extremism. i hope we can shift domestically and abroad from this nebulous blasé counter incentive to extremism to countering violent islamism. in the land of the free, we have to stop the blasphemy law and location of islamic phobia and begin to engage across the planet to theocratic islamism which is the enemy of versus muslims that want to be free to practice their 83 of oppression.
[applause] >> americans once were not bashful talking about her ideas. a sebastian mentions, there was a ronald reagan who was forthright, who is willing to talk to it unfortunate that is not the case now. ambassador bruni, who tend, does he have ideas or is he somebody in pursuit of his own powers? >> russia's smaller now. putin made it clear when he first came in he wanted to re-create the greater slavic hegemony than a big part of every russians mind that and he seemed to be moving forward in that race that with the moves he's made so far. it's up to us to projected mastering to counterbalance the slavic strongman which is dominated russian hegemonic ambitions ever since catherine the great. >> it seems to me essentially what americans talk about their ideals, they are strong. if we have any justification for operating abroad, they stand for
the things people want. clearly when we start talking about the islamic world, there is a lack of ideas. we don't seem to be fighting in the arena. >> were avoided embracing groups on the ground. we want the lowest hanging fruit syndrome that identify us islamic when that is how you identify islamist movements which are parties to embrace the collect basin of islam as a faith rather than like we do in the conservative movement and we believe in the individual rates about leftist collectivist ideas. that is why there is a nice bargain between the left and islamist because we see this across the middle east. i went to the one point of caution about russia. we match our enemies with russia against isis, it never appeared make no mistakes or families are dodging isis.
russia is not on the isis and area. they are bombing normal families and an anti-whooshing operation. russia is working closely with shia jihadist in our brand as a side is. not the particular of secular minorities. he's working as a shiite jihadist that the iranian regime and russia. that's why we need american leadership to advocate for ideas in the middle east which so far has been a great vacuum. one of the reasons the syrian revolution has been radicalized is the opposition has been radicalized to the saudi's, qataris and turks would not help secularists, but healthy islamists and that's one of the reasons cases came out of 2013. [applause] >> how do we -- there's a lot of discussion working with russia against isis, that we have common goals they appeared at the same time, russia's working side-by-side with their man can the shia militias and hezbollah.
had we had one hand hold iran accountable for what i think is the worst diplomatic deal in modern american history in the iran deal and enforce that, but at the same time drive a wedge with russia and separate them from their allies and the assad regime. at the end of the day, do we end up fighting against modern allies against both isis and murderers? >> this is why we need a trump doctrine. as condoleezza rice said in cairo, we have for too long sacrifice security at the expense of the period this mirage of stability and no command or between government has actually made a sketch and met with regimes that are fueling the ideology. we listened to the so-called -- it's not a muslim then, basically seven countries.
out of saudi arabia, pakistan, governments that are fueling the ideas that are un-american. we should be putting on notice that we will set people coming in and also groups that we support against islamist ideas. we have to be careful to have a long-term strategy, just like we did in the cold war. we didn't get in bed with the italian communists because they are anti-soviet we are going to work with those communist parties. that's our strategy right downward saturdays, pakistanis and radical islamists. we need to start having a long-term strategy. yes, short-term military led some of the long-term ideology strategy for the promotion of freedom. these populations are ready for revolutions per raspberries movements against the establishment against the middle east which are the islamic regime. >> mike, when you are sitting down having tea, what could have been leaders want?
>> they want a better future for their children. they want the ability of to have free market for a living. i had an amazing mix. standing next to an afghan officer and actually an arab officer from the united arab emirates. he was talking to the group of afghan mullahs and said look what the united states did for japan. look what the united states did for germany, columbia, philippines. let look at these growing muslim societies in dubai, jakarta, is stand all although the center of the dough that it pressure right now. there can be a better future for your children, for your grandchildren and the way the taliban and al qaeda and the islamic dispatch sensation of what is otherwise a peaceful religion is not that way. that's exactly what they wanted. in order for that to occur, for
an economy to grow, for government to improve, you have to have security. that's the thing the united states have provided since world war ii and the global order under so much pressure and under the obama administration would essentially turned her back on the leadership role around the world. >> sebastian, we've heard mike and judy talk about what people and not one. but can a trump administration do? >> the first thing is to understand we have to rebuild all the relationships that were broken in the last eight years that i spent six and a half years teaching counterterrorism to our allies and partners. have of our students were off the middle east and from elsewhere. those nations that want to be on our side look at the last eight years than they would have been. argue the good guys?
why are you pulling out of iran? you stabilize iraq and then it's time to go home. and what happened? isis have been. but the trump administration wants to do is rebuild all those relations with the people who want to be our friends. secondly, very clearly the president has said again and again, we are not into invading other countries. we were founded as a nation to respond against imperialism. what 1776 about question that it's about individual liberty and freedom. it's not imposing yourself on somebody else. we want to help those people who want to be our friend to fight their wars for them selves. ..
with our advisors. but we have to help them win this war for themselves. [applause] >> and if i could just add, i think it's very important that we not give american muslim sort of a path as a minority group in america. because we can do things in this country to reform the very ideas that are theocratic like inspiring the militants across the planet in this global jihadist stages can get in jordan or saudi arabia or iran. so, therefore, we need to tell
and engage muslims in america that feel an urgency that care about the legacy of what our children and grandchildren are going to be radicalized by this global jihadist and what we want to leave behind and islamists -- or theocratic ideas. that's the battle but needs to be fought on the front line on american media university platforms. [applause] >> i'm really glad you said that. the war of ideas applies to the concept of peace through strength just like military conduct. to harken back when pope benedict made his address when he spoke out more clearly and aggressively against radicalized islamic terrorists than any elected official had, we saw the space of moderate muslim leaders, business people and scholars come out around the world and speak up and call for an interpretation of the koran which is consistent with 21st century values, respect for life and it's the same old thing.
appeasement -- weakness begets the few that which begets more conflict and strength begets opportunity for good people to stand up. whether it was the jordan religious minister came up and said you can't fight an idea, we had to fight an idea with cultural diplomacy or whether some of the people you're talking about the people of written articles. we have to help find a new way to interpret islam consistent with the modern role. >> there needs to be an intervention i think in our community about the conveyor belt from the nonviolent islamist supremacist sort of islamist state identity movement to the militants. right now so many theologies conduct terrorism and that makes it modern. our muslim reform movement as a one-page declaration that is a declaration of principles that 15 organizations signed ss hold on, don't be deceived by muslims that say we're just at the terrace. it's not about terrorism. do they condemn the caliphate, believe in equality of men and
women, secular values, the constitution? those on the muslims we need to hold accountable to be the leaders against the establishment of global islamic state. >> this point is really important. let's explore for a second the islamophobia charge. it's just a cheap shot. when you don't want to argue the issues with us then you are the races, the xenophobe, the islamophobia let's talk about values. the bottom line is if you don't believe in the u.s. constitution i don't care if you're a member of the kkk, i don't care if you are communist or don't care if you jihadi, you are a all americans. that's the bottom line. [applause] >> mike, the theme we have heard of course is a field of american leadership and the inability to really talk about these issues in a direct way and that was clearly during the obama administration.
when you were in the middle east, when you're looking at talking to people, there was support for this concept that america had to be strong and, indeed, had to guarantee what they wanted. >> sure, and again just to break this down, down to the village level where these things, this is where the rubber meets the road and were things are really being fought, the most angry iraqis are afghan that i came across was angry because we were there. they were angry because they were risking their lives to work with us because they believe in the future partner with the united states. they were angry because we were leaving. our president has told the world, president obama, that we were leaving. they said look, if we're going to work with you then we have to know that you're going to stand with us. i think this notion of time is where we may have a little bit of disagreement. i have no doubt under the trump administration we're going to see al-baghdadi, the leader of isis either dead or in
guantánamo bay. i look forward to that day. [applause] >> but at the same time, and this is where we have to be honest with ourselves, they have eight-year-old kids, six year old that are being brainwashed today. and my fear is that we have essentially lost that generation. how do we turn that generation around? i think that's a 10, 20 or effort. i know that's not popular, or even longer. the other thing a look at is look at our partnership with south korea, with japan, germany. we've been embedded with those militaries for 60, 70 years and they are now, after multiple generations after they go from lieutenant to captain to colonel, are able to stand on their own and able to pull back and address other things. i think it's going to take a long time. i think we're going to knock isis in the rear end, but kill this idea of islamic extremism is going to take a long time,
and the folks out on the ground know that. i think we need to put a long-term strategy in place to deal with it today. what does that look like? one of the things i think it looks like is education and women's empowerment. we need to move that -- [applause] no society can oppress 50% of its population forever. we need to move that from this feel-good humanitarian place to a national security place. it is in our interest, our national security interests, to make sure girls are educated and women are empowered. because where women thrive around the world, extremists do not. that's a part of what a long-term strategy looks like. [applause] >> let me add one thing to that. there's a man called winston churchill who said you don't go to work and less you define your victory conditions. he's absolutely right.
for one man or woman in the battlefield in uniform unless you know what it is you want to do. we understand what we wish to do. do. the definition of victory for us is a very simple one. i've said this again and again and again. we're going to make the black flag of jihad as repugnant around the world, not just here, but around the world, as repugnant as the black, white and red swastika flag of the third reich. [applause] >> the brand of jihad has to be destroyed, and it's not just about damascus, raqqa, cairo, the sinai. it's orlando, boston, chattanooga, here in america. it has to be vilified and destroyed as a brand. >> if i can conceptualize and that little bit. we in the muslim community and american policy long-term cannot
be deceived into thinking that isis comes out of thin air. the saudi flag, the iranian islamic republic, the islamic republic of pakistan, these are islamic states that might be our allies against this monster got created from their ideas which is isis but their ideology of islamic state is the oxygen for jihad. until muslims start to defeat this identity state of islamism, islamic state ideology, and that's what a long-term strategy has to be the resurrection something like the u.s. information agency where we start doing radio free liberty into saudi arabia come into iran, into pakistan in order to defeat those ideas and create society groups the begin to share ideas. like we did in the cold war, without firing a bullet against the soviets directly, but winning that by defeating, and by the way, in america we see the implication of blasphemy laws that using the term islamophobia. we need to stop using that term
islam as a diverse idea that doesn't have rights. muslims have rights. we need to fight bigotry that exist against muslims, but don't use the term islamophobia because they're trying to shut us all up from criticizing islamic state ideology. [applause] >> ambassador rooney, you also served in congress from florida. is the republican support for more money for voice of america, for radio free asia, all of those things that seem to atrophy under the clinton administration when without we won the cold war, we no longer need to have those voices for america spirit i think there definitely is. think impact of the comments about cultural diplomacy and you can't fight an idea, and as you mentioned what happened with the fall of eastern europe, will have to fight the war of ideas while people like the colonel fight the war on the ground. you can do that without projecting your voice covertly and overtly.
i know that congressman rohrabacher used to be a speechwriter in the reagan administration he was involved with radio free europe. he's totally in sync with that idea as well speak with mike, let me switch gears because i think you mentioned the iran deal. it seems to me that that must to that end of the on the way people region viewed u.s. leadership. >> absolutely. in one deal our friends, folks that we been fighting with him folks that are aligned with us, whether it's in yemen, syria, whether it's in libya and across north africa, saw the united states online with a shia extremist theocratic state and begin pumping billions of dollars into it. why, just for delay, not an elimination of the nuclear
program but essentially for a delay, and was at money going? that money is turning right around and buying advanced russian weaponry, missile defense systems, advanced fighters come all types of different advanced armaments so that if they violate the deal years from now, how much hard of a time are israeli allied fighter pilot and her own pilots cornet? i think it's an atrocious deal and since the absolutely wrong signal to the region. and again you feel that when the president of the united states speaks and since these signals, we feel it out of the ground at the village level. you feel it when you are dealing with ministers of state. you feel tha it when you're deag with civil society. i can't overstate, this is a bit of a nudge over here to my friend sebastian, when the president speaks and says what america is going are not going to do, it makes either the
militaries job much, much easier or much, much more difficult. i can tell you in the last eight years in my own experience, having the president basically say with a drawl, with a drawl, with the girl was in the mission makes it incredibly hard to win out on the ground. so i'm looking forward to the next speakers sebastian, i think you have been nudged to look,, i'll tell you a story from two weeks ago to tell you how there's a new commander-in-chief and how much he gets it and how much he loves our troops. there's something called qualification course we get your green beret afterwards. before you graduate those young future special forces officers,, to d.c. to meet with various agencies and get briefings about how government works inside the beltway. they come and visit the nsc. two weeks ago 18 future green berets came to my building to talk about what is the nsc.
i had a crazy idea thinking, we've got a new commander-in-chief. wouldn't it be nice to get these young men who are going to go into theater imminently to meet the new boss? not only did president trump invite them to the west wing to sit down with him, halfway through this meeting where major schedules go insane, he said i'm not supposed to do this. come with me. he took all 18 of them into the oval office. he did a group photo behind the resolute desk, and then just completely blew the day off, he said this is a good enough. all of you stand over there and i want you one by one to stand next me for an official portrait with me. that's how much he loves our military. and in the previous eight years, those young men and the one woman, those young men wouldn't even have gotten into the west wing.
so you understand there is a new commander-in-chief. [applause] >> sebastian, you first mentioned ronald reagan. ronald reagan taught us that freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. but today it looks even closer than that. yesterday in the panel we talked about domestic threats. now we hav just talked about fon ones. i think there is one conclusion i've heard today, and that is america must lead again. thank you very much. >> you bet. [applause] ♪ ♪ >> welcome to our next panel discussion.