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thank you, everyone. for being here today. i'm so excited to be here today with my friend molly hemingway and andrew clayman who i don't think he needs an introduction. two of the smartest writers we have so many writers who are blessed. you two are some of the best, thank you for being here. one thing i found when i'm traveling is that people keep saying and these are people who may or may not have voted for donald trump probably depending on what they they live in and in some cases, especially if i'm in the middle of the country, not on the coast, the northeast especially by people will say
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things like donald trump is president. they don't say it again. it's coming from this place that he needs to be this host of celebrity apprentice. how does that happen? what does that mean? it's not a dismissal is not a criticism. how are you processing that when people expect you to have the answer to that question ? how does it happen and what does it mean about us and are there lessons to learn their? >> i do have this thing where once a day and hits me that donald trump is president and it feels like you're in a 1980s movie where yeah that makes sense. there was a really good book called something like when jefferson read, i watched an obama treated. it goes through a history of presidents what was instructing
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them. it looks at libraries that president had and a transition to television and how we viewed presidents and is age of social media that obama was very good at figuring out and using to his advantage. so, i do think, the celebrity has a lot to do with donald trump being president. he says he's pretty sure that all tough will be our next president. there is pretty things that are concerning. donald trump is a master of media in general and he spent decades learning how to navigate a hostile media environment and using it to his advantage and figuring out how to make it work for both the media and for him. that happened at a time when a lot of people on the right had frankly, given up on the site that they would get a fair break
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from the media and so these two things: cited at the right moment and i also think that it worked out to some extent at least, to the the benefit of both those groups. >> the second half of that is important. a lot of things about donald trump disturb the gentle folk. his strengths he has a pinpoint strength about how information travels, it's timing, and how to deflect a narrative. you watch the media and has become at opposition party. you watch the media build up this narrative that he's a russian spy, the election was hacked all the things that didn't happen and wasn't happening and he obviously there is no evidence of this. he let it get to a certain.and he gave that press conference where he slapped those people silly and a lot of my plans for going this is terrible.
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i think this is genius. the next morning the narrative was he's hurt. were damaged. what did we do? i felt like that was smart. when you look at what the media did to george w. bush and then you look at how he has fought back against them, it may make us uncomfortable as people who speak more politely and who don't like the bullying but it works. it's amazing to see. >> it's a lot of what we heard in the election. i wasn't surprised that he won i thought it was a high possibility in part, because i was listening to people when i was traveling traveling and i listen to the mexican cabdriver and the mexican waiter and everybody, muslims everybody was telling me i'm voting for donald trump. i'd say but you heard what he said about x, or why and he's
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not a politician and he'll do something different. they were fed up with the politicians. were hearing that from everybody. he's following through on that much. giving it to the people who are the sources of frustration. >> a lot of times he says things and everybody jumped on him because he's unclear, vague and a blunderbuss blowing up. people understand what he's saying and when he talks like the people talk. that's a benefit. >> our friends obviously we hear on the news that he was a man named andrew and that he was a friend to a lot of us in the history of national review is that we had long instant message conversations and occasionally talk on the phone, long in person conversations and i remember one night instant messaging me because i never
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have my phone ringer on and so he would send me a text message and say pick up your phone and then he said his son was just born, the youngest that he named williams. andrew always had a national review. i bring him up because andrew you wrote a piece about the crisis in the arts. you quoted andrew as saying, the people have money every four years at the last possible second are told give millions of dollars because these were counties in ohio are going to determine the entire election. andrew would say why didn't we invest 20 years ago in a movie studio in hollywood, why did we invest in creating television shows, why didn't we create institutions that would reflect and affirm that which is good about america? his.being there is this overwhelming narrative that the media and the culture create. it's hard to speak into that or
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have a differing opinion the net. on the other hand, molly you've written that the elected donald trump. did it backfire at some.? >> it is very interesting how we've had decades of people running roughshod through all of our institutions, the academy, all of our cultural institutions and now everyone's very surprised that we have donald trump as president. they're very concerned about how he doesn't speak clearly, speak truth, and it's funny, or sad to think about how there has been all of these -- decades of people on the left has questioned the very notion of truth and reality and everything's relative and were reaping what we've sown for
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decades of letting our educational institutions rot from the inside. i actually have a much more positive take on hollywood or visual arts. in part, because they are intrinsically tied to telling stories that are true and beautiful and that it is such a great biased path. it benefits everybody but it's certainly not hostile conservative. if you're going to tell a good story and must be based in truth and it must've something beautiful or it doesn't do very well. to the jon stewart.when you look back just like i don't remember when he got his start -- i'm getting so old that i don't remember -- when he would go on the daily show and it got going
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and everybody on the left but a moderate to really loved it. they thought it was great. he had a snarky approach to the news and lots of sarcasm and as you watched it you might pick up that he wasn't actually being very fair to other people that he was taking things out of context and manipulating interviews to make it seem like people were idiots. at his best, at the daily show's best, it wasn't good engagement with contrary ideas. the best interviews i remember -- there was one with cliff mays where they talked about something to do with the war and it was a nice give-and-take. john and they had a good discussion on what those torture members were. there were other things that his like interview with jonah goldberg where he ranted and raved and could entertain himself. the end result was this horrible
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, horribly edited thing that didn't make any sense. anyway, somehow this became a primary way the people were getting their news, the star, this hostility, not giving a fair shake other perfect other people and other comics have completely taken it and run with it. samantha b is the best example of this. there is no difference between her approach and the worst of john stuart in terms of manipulating information and whatnot. i think, again, it reaches a breaking.where people can't take it anymore and instead of engaging with ideas on the other side there just like, screw it, i'm out of here. in general, there was this approach with so much of our media and cultural elite that was so antagonistic toward conservative viewpoints and commonsense viewpoints that people just stopped listening and i think that john stuart has
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come as a big reason to that. >> before going to enter, you brought brought up samantha b. i have to go here. you've made comments about the crassness of women and abortion. some of the comedic sketches on abortion are straight out of hell. really fortifying to watch. i think they're supposed to be funny. >> that's a big topic and it is something that i find interesting and it speaks to what i was saying about truth and beauty being a strong aid for keeping culture going off the deep end. there's been a massive push to make abortion comedies or dramas and funded in part by planned parenthood and they always turn out not just bad but horrible. chris and bill makers will do this cheesy and there arts
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offers. you don't have the benefit of an underlying good message to carry you through with abortion. a lot of these things are written by abortion groups and it shows. comity has to for comedy to work it has to be honest then that it can be so partisan. amy schumer is the one that i've had struggles with making abortion comedies but interest part it difficult to pull off unless you're engaging with the topic and truly engaging with the topic it's really hard to keep your pro- abortion method i agree with everything you're saying about the true and the beautiful and these tend to be good stories. i like you try to watch primetime tv and find the good and it used to be easy some of
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the shows like shanda rhymes shows, she's on the board of planned parenthood one was a drama about a reproductive health clinic and once in a while you get this amazing pro-life math message probably by accident but maybe because of some writer in the room that nobody knows who is a conservative because we know these people exist. i remember one who was out in hollywood and i have such a skewed view of los angeles and i'd visit andrew and i would see all the conservatives and i remember one of these gatherings where memorably one of my colleagues asked me, who is hercules? he's quoting from the corner and goes up to one of my colleagues and says you see all these
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character actors and you meet camera guys and script writers and everybody who's behind the scenes and there so many conservatives out there. that's gonna make a difference if you're just in a room trying to tell stories. >> i want to say that it is true that a noreen celebrities can alienate people. narrative changes consciousness over the course of decades. we are suffering from a serious narrative deficit. to the.that you're absolutely right that stories tell something true and beautiful and that has helped the conservatives, not to the left. a good leftist artist has learned to get around that by changing the premises of the argument and making up facts. if you have a picture like avatar, one of the most successful antiwar terrace films
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they simply change the native population to innocence and the native population to science fiction if you haven't seen it, they have have plants that light up at night, they have dragons that fly, quality of choice of women and men all of these things that native populations don't have. we have them because we have oil. with oil you can have a light in nights, you can fry, it gives you more choices. if you joins the premises you can say something that feels true and beautiful in the world of the movie that isn't in fact here. the.-- in mainstream hollywood there is still a blockage that works like this -- i have worked a lot in hollywood and you try to sell a script and there are assumptions made it's just a friendly conversation in the room but the odds are
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fantastically against do all the time. i walked into the romney obama election a fairly famous director called me up about an old script that i had written and i said i like the script invite update it would you come in and meet with me i walked in to meet with him and within two to three mittens of the beginning conversation he said to me republicans don't really care about mitt romney, they just want the n-word out of the white house. he didn't say edward. that put me in a position either sitting there and letting him assume that i am a person who thanks like that. or politely as i did, correcting him. and effectively ending any chance of the sale. that happens about 30% of the time. to tell one other quick story a woman i know had a great tv idea called a famous showrunner to pitch it. she said i'm on my way to the
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hillary fundraiser you can pitch it to me then. those kind of assumptions create an atmosphere for conservatives to operate in. i've licked in new york for 30 years and it's a tough job. everything that lowers your makes it that much harder. the good news is that hollywood is fracturing from the mainstream hollywood is no more a solid force than mainstream media. and that mainstream that is still very powerful, there is a very powerful and conservative group. >> you make a.that is important. people don't watch movies like they used to. and talking about this panel, in fact, we have in wausau that movie this year. were probably representative of movie theater and. >> movie themselves are late
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stages of development. tv is the new narrative, the artform is doing well. there are other things that come out of hollywood that are more important. the thing that we lack is that we lack the infrastructure that these artists have a safe place to speak. lena dunham made the show girls. if you went to new york when girls was on everyone would say everyone was watching. girls on a good night got 600,000 viewers which in tv is statistically zero. no one was watching girls. everyone who was watching girls. [laughter] the same thing is true of jon stewart. he had under 1 million viewers when he was on the cover of time , they know how to do this stuff. they know how to make people
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seem important than they are. and how to make people think less they are important like a blue bloods which gets no press about one with the ministry and the seven children, seventh heaven, one of the most popular shows on the tv for years. this infrastructure actually reverberates and makes everything louder than it really is. >> those stores are on the air and people are watching them and they have long runs of their successful, you have people like patricia heaton able to get a primetime show after playing people said that would happen with mel gibson so are the exceptions? >> simply it is that we don't have the infrastructure to play them all. there was a movable movie by the tone brothers hail caesar which was conservative porn. i have no idea where those guys
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stand but it was an amazing anti-communist, pro- catholic statement, pro-jesus statement. it was an amazing movie that the critics loved because they didn't understand. logan and the wolverine is a wonderful movie and i don't know what the guys politics are but ridges religiously at the beautiful movie. we laughed at the groups that say two things, we lack the infra structure to encourage an award conservative artist. anybody who tells you that hollywood is all about money has never worked in hollywood. hollywood. >> there is a lot of money. >> even if the movie bombs they still make their money. i'm not talking about the produces, i'm talking about the artist. they worked to get awards, parties that the kind of thing. the second thing is talking about rewriting the facts. hollywood and hbo's chief among
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these. they've been re-writing history for 40 and 50 year so that you have kids that think that jfk was killed by a conservative conservative cabal because they've only seen the oliver stone movie and we never do that. all the great conservative films are either cartoons or costume dramas. you get the dark knight trilogy which was wonderful, toy story three, then testify but we don't write history the way we see it. >> what encourages you to mark who's trying to do something right was mark. >> i'm very encouraged. we own the internet. we culturally rocked the internet. my pal wrote a book -- made a book in his basement reasons to vote for democrats. it's blank. the book's blink. [laughter]
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we put that sucker on amazon for over a week and he'll make over a hundred thousand dollars for a blank book. [applause] -- that sounds like an expensive notebook. >> our means are hilarious there hilarious and nasty. it really is a wonderful thing to behold and that of course, is becoming the major place were cultural lives. that is a wonderful thing. >> can you measure that like you can measure blockbuster movies? >> know. you can measure in some ways. it's important -- the other day a friend came over and brought a couple that were not culturally sophisticated but lovely people and she's a homemaker and a mom and she says i feel bad because everybody on facebook says i'm
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doing the wrong thing by being a homemaker that is on feminist. i said they're wrong. she said i never thought of that. if we don't live in those spaces and those youtube spaces and twitter that's what you get. you get that people who don't know is just another opinion out there. i'm encouraged by the fact that were just funnier or cooler -- they talk about the resistance. we are the resistance. we are it. even donald trump in his weird way is the resistance. that makes a school and it makes us cool. >> you get to a.that is so important for this panel is about hollywood and culture and in many ways we really have to rethink and redefine what culture is. culture and has never been hollywood. it's great books and it's art and it's all these other things but i think conservatives haven't focused so much on and
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being are reached by hollywood and all of these things but it's actually the engagement -- i think we have this bipartisan problem. were looking for the federal government -- even concerted's are looking for a savior and not appreciating that they've got all this power actually. in a weird way, donald trump is showing you how to use that. >> even listening to kellyanne today he is not being handled as some politicians let them be handled. maybe that's a good thing to. in the context of what were talking about that there's a power that we don't appreciate we have, he has more followers than you have.
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>> that bi is a political journalist that wrote a book about the gary hart campaign he has a really high view of gary hart. the whole book is about journalism changed around that time, how there was this 24 hour news channel, technological advances that allowed it to spread quickly and there has been that people had kind of continued this interest in politicians personal lives that created a very stifling political environment where politicians instead of sitting down with reporters and freely talking about what they were thinking had to be really packaged and managed and whatnot. the gary hart scenario where he gets busted for shenanigans on the monkey business only confirm that for a lot of people. the need to lockdown and not be open to talking and people for whatnot. it is a wonderful change that
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you have this barrier coming down between people and politicians and you are seen more people do it then just the president. i think that trend will continue and that's a good thing. i just want to make a.roll quick about what you're optimistic about. i do think that one thing is very good people are being more critical about the media that they're receiving and that that's a requirement for a functioning people. we need to think through the messages that they're receiving but i am worried that our educational systems are so bad that people are knowing how to think deeply about anything and their passive receivers. there are too many passive receivers to get their stuff from the media or hollywood or books or anything. >> you wrote, molly, your writing in the context of the funeral for hillary clinton's career and i can tell from the
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look on your face is that this is going to get you started which is my intention. you wrote near the end of the piece wouldn't it be great if our least artists understood were a large nation that we need a need to light a match so we can locate one another. what you mean by that? >> the weekend after hillary lost -- i just want to mention on election night i was with people who are not fans of either of the presidential candidates and i was not prepared for how happy those people would be upon hillary losing. i don't know that they were prepared. every day waking up and realizing every day that hillary is not the president. that was not shared by everybody and saturday night live was extremely bad, kate mackinnon very talented comedian come out and knock out comity. she sat down at the piano, leonard cohen had also died that week, the songwriter and she
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played not one of his best songs but hollywood. you hear it on all of these tv shows that this very mournful beautiful song, hallelujah. she played the song and you keep waiting for it for the jokes to come. there's a line in that song about telling the truth which made my husband and me laugh. she's playing in all areas of hillary clinton and it's like there's a line about telling the truth and we busted up laughing. nobody in the audience is laughing. this was a deadly serious tribute of hillary clinton and at the end she turns to the audience and says i'm not giving up, and neither should you. what happened to saturday night live. you're here for laughs leonard cohen had once been to a big festival show in the uk and there was one, late 60s late '80s that involved into the riot and no one wanted to go on
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stage. he goes out on stage and he speaks very quietly and tells a story about how when he was a kid the parents took him to the circus and there was a part that he had the ringmaster asked everybody to turn on their lighters and light a match and look around at the audience around them and see each other in the dark lit by the matches. he somehow get these people to do this and because he so quiet and telling the story they all come down, they stop throwing beer bottles they look at each other and he goes on to perform bird hour and a half and it's a beautiful thing. i'm thinking at this moment when the country is divided when it be great if our artist instead of thinking about -- at such a parochial thing to screw you to half the country that you could do this tribute manipulating leonard cohen when it be nice if we look at each other and see
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why we voted different ways and come together as a country but definitely want to do. >> it may actually happen. i'm hopeful about this. >> thank you for being hopeful. >> one of the problems with trump is that he's given the leftist excuse to say the news media, and hollywood had failed before but now we really -- that's a lie. the coverage of george w. bush and the coverage of barack obama were obscenely one-sided and the coverage has only gotten louder. it is a little bit of a feeling in some of the producer rooms -- not the actors because they have to be on this one train but in some of their rooms where people produce things that maybe we ought to be talking about those people. this is one of the funny things whenever i think of the narrative on our side i think of
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paul ryan. i know he's coming -- i may be a a paul ryan fan, i that makes me a loan sometimes. [laughter] but when paul ryan introduced that he wanted to reform social security and third rail politics and he does what all republics do. he the left make the commercial of paul ryan pushing an old lady in a wheelchair off a cliff. that's the difference between narrative and facts. this is part of the inherent difference in our philosophies. we believe in the truth because the truth is sometimes too much but the truth is made of facts. the left openly believes narrative is everything.
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narrative establishes truth there is no truth it's who has a trick to establish narrative. what i see is hopeful is that trump is actually an old democrat he gets that. if that starts to spread and we can tell stories like that we may come back. there may be an opening for us in mainstream hollywood whether starting to think, who are who are these people are they fascist was a mark we can't all be fascist. >> lindsay crag told me a story that after the election there was a series that i did not watch with them jones talking to real americans about who voted for donald trump and there were some story where they're shooting, hunting the animal in the refrigerator and he's like i
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don't understand what you're doing and you're crazy people. no, were down and out right now and that's a good way to feed the family. that never occurred to him. >> i have to tell you they always do that hollywood is in the bubble. [laughter] to me the lowest.the hollywood ever hit was during the war on terror when they made movie after movie about how evil americans were and these movies where he raped iraqi women and they were turning into filler killers if you think hollywood is about money it's not. variety iran an article that said americans just aren't interested in these wars. they don't want to see movies about these wars. clint eastwood made american sniper the fifth highest r-rated
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film. [applause] it's a wonderful film. but the americans are the good guys and the people are the bad guys are the bad guys. they iran an article saying we thought people were interested. they are interested but you just wanted to slap them as they know they're not interested in watching barbarians be portrayed as the good guys while our guys are in the field getting shot at by the barbarians. they just don't know. they really don't know. it may be partially 11 and but it's partially ignorance. >> and not knowing what you don't know there's a whole big country out there. molly, do you think this is true on things that marriage and family and now that we have conversations about disney movies and transgender
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characters. are we going to be able to win that narrative of this picture? >> i walked out here thinking i was optimistic. [laughter] i have two daughters who are elementary school-age, they are prime beauty and the beast age but i never really liked that movie to begin with and that story of the disney version. everything came out a couple weeks ago about the big exciting thing about this beauty and the beast is that it has a strong political message. one of the things is that the minor character who is flamboyantly gay and the supposed be exciting somehow. it's so expensive to go to movies anyway so is the thing that changed my husband and my mind from taking our kids to see it too not seen it. it's interesting how people market things in a way that's dangerous. i think there are an internal
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story about marriage that comes out and there's a couple really good examples recently, one, a real-life story and one that may or may not be a real-life story. the first one is jennifer garner and matt damon had this very beautiful hollywood marriage, three kids, they were divorcing. >> sorry, ben affleck. >> i get them confused there is a great joke that ricky survey said that matt damon how does it feel to be the only people that ben affleck has been faithful to. yikes. there divorcing and there's the scandal involving the nanny. it turns out that the husband has successfully completed rehab, they are not divorcing which is not the same thing as saying that the marriage is healed but watching it happen high profile couple go through
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problems and try to work it out and we do look at celebrities to see how they should we should live our lives. the other thing that beyoncé, people were set for some reason, she's talented but the love of her is something that's overkill. she put out an album called lemonade and it was a concept album about a husband cheating on a woman and then coming through it and restoring their marriage. i don't know if it's true or not but if it's a album but it was a huge blast. it sends a good message about what's the important of working on marriage even when you face these horrible problems and there is something about that that people like. you see this in movies where people call it divorce porn and the whole movie is about the the movie restoring the marriage. there are some good messages but the sexual revolution has so
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completely overtaken the country and hollywood was an early indicator of that and the messages it sends are so bad and continue to be propagated through every medium. i think it's really bad and i don't know what can be done to stop it. unless it's just gone so far that you're seeing a pendulum. >> i don't think they've quite figured it out. the sexual landscape change with birth control and it will change again in entirely short order with verse that take place out of their bodies and are even created in test tubes. technology transforms physical imperatives into values. in other words, before you could say to a woman, don't have before marriage because you could get pregnant and then you'll be stuck with this baby and they'll done everything they
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can to eliminate that imperative. we are arguing from a position of values. this is a good value even in a world of technology. a wonderful movie and i'm not try can sell it to this audience but logan, the movie is about a world in apocalyptic world trying to restore and find the mythologies that will bring them back to christ. in the middle of this movie there is a scene where this axman and the people he's trying to save that it's a christian family, father mother son.
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>> >> but you have to admit for a young person coming up today she can have sex as much as she once and not get pregnant. there are other dangers but
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reselling values with of physical imperatives to back us up and that is a different conversation spirit give it to second explanation of the benedick options to buy their separate writer who has a new book out called the benedictus option that how christians can existed and cost file cultural environment with practical tips out to handle education , culture and family formation. it is out this week. >> a law more people have power and by looking around here. >> how the cold church does
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not share your values. to have this idea of a conservative place and the rice deal values from uh predominant culture into coined the phrase with the idea because it works better >> in is great like that just like the last-minute political changes you have to engage the coulter to
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deal with it and i grew up in a very a traditional family and they will dump coulter in our home and we would talk about it together they would say things like should they be doing back? , is that a good drug to try? laugh laugh with my own children i hear my parents voice and a love it. me gave me good armor to pay much watch was never without falling prey to india underlying message some mechanical church just isn't the movie you bring into your home was supporting locally and the culture of the school with a thousand conversations per week with moms to our dealing with the school board or what the teacher said to have been influenced of that world
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also but i did not ask you review your opinion so that is not fair but that movie silence was a bomb for him relatively speaking spec i have toss see the movie but the reason, i want to but and does it make you want to give up this sounds like a law of suffering and pray you have to prepare yourself there is of movie about a woman getting snowden was sitting at the bar he said down next to me with a depleted look i said people don't want to spent saturday night watching people get stoned to death? like somebody who dies of
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cancer. >> but he does films better not happy. >> he does action, crime. >> i am inclined to agree with your reasoning just like religious persecution. nobody wants to know what is going on in sudan begin to feel powerless. >> it is also a fact it was day complicated film and his religious films always are in the works better if they seem more controversial than this one was general lee well-received and if you want the big blockbuster. >> as conservatives discuss
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the culture one thing they get wrong is the coulter should look conservative not have cursing or sex or violence. i completely disagree. first of all, that is sent troops to go to old stuff that they have seen king leer. then what happens with the soprano's that this is no good. one of my favorite films of the last few years is called this ithe end and its about the apocalypse egotistical hollywood guys playing themselves pierre raunch from one end to the other than somebody says not means there must be a god who saw that coming? and betty vat us. i thought that would reach people god is not dead.
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>> that this the case for so long that he doesn't know he is the conservative. don't tell him. keep doing we were doing. [laughter] i did bring of silence that was so struck by a number person i sought with said he had never encountered god's mercy like that in his reasoning was somebody who has never gone to confession so the dna could be a priest to reject god and still be forgiven was overwhelming to him and i thought maybe he
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did something brilliant. also the number of people knowing that i had seen it and did understand distribution of this so many people that were inclined to see it could nazi because it wasn't in their area. is a decade to watch with my kids? so generally speaking yes. then you sit around and have a conversation most things are probably okay but there is a law of stuff that maybe would not fall under safe and secure category but would make for fascinating conversation and be better off. >> ben there is the critical thinking problem.
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>> there is the british and army guy who returns i was watching and i was not into it at all and was fighting with him about it and he said did his one of the only shows that i can watch with my daughters so it is a concern you don't want to send highly sexual messages of but even in the recent time of the 1980's there were movies with messages that worked for adults and children and you could go together like raiders of the lost ark and there's not that many of those now but with technology opening things now that they are are in decline you can get great
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are delivered straight to your house matter relive to provide so many more opportunities. >> that will be the last word because i just saw of the stop sign. [applause] [inaudible conversations]
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