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and ran for the district attorney in northern colorado and worked there 10 years and in 2014 iran for the house seat. >> host: you had a health crisis that influenced your
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decision so tell us more about that. >> in 2013 i had cancer stage for hodgkin's lymphoma and as i recovered from that i started to question what do want to do? well i advocate for term limits here in requires you to think that 52 years old what do i want to do with the rest of my life? i decided i wanted to run for office. >> host: you are in good health now quite. >> i am in great health. thank you. >> so what defiant? >> the first thing right after the election all the numbers were brought together there was one
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lavish party after another the message is very clear if you are willing to play the game life can be a very comfortable existence but the game is to agree with leadership and special-interest but i am not one of those people that is very agreeable soil was not interested in doing that achene to washington d.c. to have a passion to reduce the size and scope of the federal government it was much more difficult for me in the first term in d.c. than other people. >> so in what way was it conveyed to you crack. >> when you show up in the army choir it is singing there is beef tenderloin and salmon and all sorts of
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waiters and out call as much as you wanted to consume and then in the caucus room is a beautiful bloom in the house chambers it is a clear message for the word given deaths from the time that you arrive from leadership that says thank you for your sacrifice i have never consumed as many calories as i did during orientation. for you are told quickly you don't vote against your party rules. calcite get the same instructions and the idea is the most important thing you can do is get reelected and
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the most important thing is to make sure you play the game. >> host: slated is to be in line with your party so it is an understanding of what they expect of you? >> that's right with the parties of the national archives and then they speak to the group there is a feeling of being special as a member of congress when you're constantly given special privileges. >> host: you don't hold back in this book read it and you use some tough language to describe the men and women such as members of
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congress are happy alligators that feel pretty darned comfortable in the swamps of washington. >> guest: i don't mean they are alligators if you have those surroundings you get comfortable in the situation but one way to earn that comfort is to spend more money and pro-government and to create programs and take credit for those programs whether they are efficient or effective take credit. so for many members of congress are here it is the best job they ever had the highest paying job they ever had and the job they don't want to develop so the
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reelection is more important than the actual problem solving that needs to go on. >> host: you write that influence comes with the price tag. you talk about the dues that they must pay to secure and retain their seats on the influential committees. also talk about those dues that are required and how they klein and how you deal with that. >> both the republican democratic party have do is based on assignments if you are on the committee like appropriations the dues for the republican is $450,000 per person zero lower
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committee is too hundred thousand per person to be a chair you have to pay 1.2 billion dollars for the privilege. the way you raise that money is have events in washington d.c.. you have receptions to represent special interest they, and donate money to you. lobbyist don't show up to those receptions there is a way to coerce the numbers by having the are rages deuce it encourages them to vote as lobbyists and special interest want you to vote xx we're on the rules committee and you pay your dues so how would you pay those?
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if you feel that the lobbyists ask you to vote what do you do quite. >> i am fortunate in colorado we have to even stirring election cycle we have private individuals come together for the events for the house of representatives. i don't for deceptions for the purpose to hold my dues along with the other three members from colorado our dues are paid by holding those to defense -- events teeseventeen think there will influence the colorado delegation? >> i am not 100 percent sure bet i can remember so we
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have individuals the support the republican party that believe the republican should be in the majority. i don't think it is wrong to expect members of the house to raise money for the party to win the majority and the same thing with democrats. that is the reality of politics but what i find offensive is the linkage between raising many and assignment to the committee or the chairmanship or to be in leadership. there has to be a marriage based system and placed to decide who gets on what committee if you spend there 30 years you have expertise that is needed on energy and commerce it is not if you can pay more money should not be the determining factor.
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>> host: as a freshman member, it did you pay? >> guest: $200,000. >> host: you have described although your eyes are trained on john boehner but you talk about taking overseas trips and committee ships and including your position as president of the freshman class your first year so can you describe what happened in your case and how you dealt with that? >> in it was an attempt to unseat me as the president entering data orientation that i described earlier i was elected president of the
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freshman class there were four other members who were elected to different positions is a wide-open job you do what you can to bring people together but there is no real job description. so then they tried to take it away now it is a competition and it became more meaningful at that point so i had the votes to win if it was called so i was notified there would be a meeting in this cave on the heels against putting on the trade promotion authority bill it was a vote that leadership was very mad the freedom caucus was voting against them so the subcommittee chairmanship was taken away and for
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members from the freedom caucus as a result of the rule there were a number of actions taken against individuals it shows the petty retaliation involved with that kind of vote. >> host: what did you say to house leadership that the time? >> guest: what did you say to them? we had a lot of conversations frankly it is a surprise when it happens. house leadership has a job to do part of that is to maintain party the bishop they need to govern as best they can but the problem
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with the president from the other party it is difficult to govern the have to move to the center for those of us would like to move to the center it is hard to get the votes needed, get the democrats to vote with them. so that was a bad position leadership was in. >> so your book came out onto say i am curious about the reaction from your colleagues per. meno in session at the moment. >> that is a good thing. [laughter] >> guided if you tax messages and for sales i have not heard anything from leadership i will probably have conversations with
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everybody returns. >> you'll the did to the freedom caucus of the group of about 35 for 40 house members have taken a stand against the house leadership notably like the john bain resignation and some freedom caucus members rejected to the obama repeal and replace bill forcing that to be pulled from the for presidential little different than other members? you were hearing from folks even before it was published >> little but not much occasionally they would walk up to say did you mention me
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in the book? a did my best to avoid mentioning names in the book all the way do talk about some members of lot of anecdotes and stories but in terms of throwing people under the bus this is been going on sobol in both parties that for me the important thing is to change the institution people are generally good people when they come to congress and are well meaning but the institution perhaps in the need to change parts of the institution. >> host: nine no one of your concerns is the last of discipline through the appropriations process we note that the radius to work was appropriations committees would pass 12
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separate bills funding the government but that does not happened since the mid 1990's it is a continuing resolution or a big package that pulls together the appropriations and then we sea in recent years a shutdown so the next stop gap measure to keep the lights on april 28 that is another deadline and congress. what about the consequences of making spending decisions >> it is the wrong way to do it it is managing by crisis we have been promised for a number of years that we deal
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with each appropriations bill in the house they do with the bills then become together and vote on the bill's one final time by having a continuing resolution we have very little time to read the document very few members know what is hidden in the document and the benefits the special interest groups and those in leadership that can figure out how to put it into the continuing resolution doesn't benefit the people of the representatives. i did talk about one example of a drug company fell got a bushel provision -- a
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special provision that they had given a lot of money to leadership in the senate and they could get the provision into the omnibus bill and it was a tremendous with the small amount of money that they gave 60,000 year intact made tens of millions of dollars. it is a business savvy decision but it does not benefit the american people but waste taxpayer dollars. there are solutions and the book it is important to disengage committee assignments from the dues. i have a problem paying dues or supporting the party in
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its efforts but i have a big party -- a big problem so i have written a letter to the ethics committee asking them to make it an ethical when making the assignment to a committee or a chairmanship position and i hope that we do that. >> host: what is the likelihood? said you had any response? >> i sent it a couple of months ago and i have not had a response yet. we have a lot of major issues that have taken attention away from those issues that we face a life plan on going to the chairman of the ethics committee to talk about this and plan on getting other members on board to show support we will see if we can get that passed but it
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is a process that people need to think through and a link which has to be carefully crafted. i don't want to create a rule with an unintended consequence or somebody else suffers as a result. >> host: what you mentioned earlier i gather this is something you would like to see what what is the appropriate amount of time in congress with term limits >> lot of the bills that are out there that i support those but some of them are too short we have to be realistic if you have the speaker of the house third in line to the presidency that person should have served a sufficient number of years to have learned the entire system.
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it is not practical for a speaker to serve four years become speaker for two years that would empower the staff that they see the bureaucracy of the executive branch so we have to be careful but it is hard to pinpoint the exact number i think 12 or 14 or 16 years is fair when you start talking about 30 years there are members that have been around since nixon was in peach and that is a long time to be in the swap. >> does that give them institutional knowledge? >> i think they are ready institution.
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they're both learning but they also learn ways to avoid a accountability and manipulate the system when you get more comfortable you are less accountable to the people that your present. >> host: so clearly it is to make a lot of friends. would this be deeply offensive to some of your colleagues that you describe these terms i did not come here to make friends. i did not have friends when i came here. i came here to do with job this is an indication of that. hired an outsider to be president because they did
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not trust the insiders and that sends a clear message. >> host: the title of your book "drain the swamp" is the theme that we heard from president trump campaign what about his performance as we hit the 100 day mark? >> it is very difficult to say people want to look bad day snapshot and predict but it is difficult to say good things or bad things of this point. from my perspective he made a great supreme court nomination with judge corset from colorado will be a great justice. he has done a great job to pick his cabinet a wish the senate would confirm the more quickly he doesn't have administration in place to run the government so really
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it is difficult to judge his first 100 days but he has done a good job of sending a signal to the world that america will be actively engaged and not put up with him and atrocities and let other companies -- countries use biological weapons without a response that is a clear message the president sent and in terms of the ethics involved with washington d.c. he will talk about certain things and we will see if those are done but limiting the years or 2. about entry on the number of years you can lobby the agency worked for is a good idea and congress should
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adopt that. >> host: and they also should that puts a limit because one year in the house and i think two years from the senate so you would like to see that barrier that of former member can never become a lobbyist? did meg the president talks five years that is a good time period it requires you leave congress and go do something else. and make a distinction between being involved with issues are lobbying someone that would be driven is a love for public policy even enough to say go do something for five years if you lobby for the interest group you should have to wait a certain period of time. >> bollenbach to the freedom
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caucus members that were concerned about the initial health care bill because i know there was not a vote cast but explain your position from other members of the freedom caucus. >> i was opposed to the original bill but i thought it got better over time and gave states more flexibility and ultimately provided better health care to individuals in this country. also beyond those four corners of the legislation with the supreme court nominee i thought the president deserved initial victory to give him some momentum and specifically tax reform so we would
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support this bill in terms of regulation of the initial effort but the challenges of the health care area of the budget reconciliation to get something passed through the senate. but to pass a full repeal or replacement.
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so i describe it in the book as petty retaliation because it isn't life changing at all in the same with the tweet i think that the people in eastern colorado know me, and know who i am, and know i have been in d.c. and they support me. and if the president tweets about something negative about
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ken buck, i think it is going to be minimal impact and i think that the president has made an interesting decision because the day that the day was poled he had a press concerns and he said no i'm not mad at the freedom caucus they're my friends and week later he tweets something. so i'm not sure what psychological is involved in that but regardless i think that freedom caucus are going to be allies with president on most that he tries to accomplish. >> you think health care will come up quickly? >> come up again quickly i hope it passes and send it to the senate and see what the senate does with it. >> back to the book one with of your top priorities seems to encourage your readers to join the article five movement. and that is to get state legislature to call for convention of the states to consider amendment to the constitution including a balanced budget amendment. talk to me a little bit about
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how that might work and also their concerns that this could lead to a runway conventionon that people can decide to, you know, take another the look at gun rights and whether there is a second amendment right to armsover whether gay marriage is constitutional. so how would this work and how do you avoid it running away? >> so article five of the constitution is the article that kriebs how a constitution could be amend. first way is what we view so far in this country's history and that is for -- a measure to pass the house and senate with identical language and then sent to the states for ratification. now we would need 38 states to ratify amendment to the constitution. the orr way is for the state lught legislature to get together and two-thirds to petition congress per for a convention of the states.
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that petition would list a very specific area to be debated at the convention and would not be an a open ended let's rewrite the united states constitution and really the way to make sure that it doesn't become a away convention is not only that it stick to its original purpose. but also that 38 states have to ratify whatever comes of that convention to the idea that we're going to change second amendment l i can list the the 13 states that would not approve of that. [laughter] and so i think that it is not only prudent for a constitutional convention to remain very narrow because whatever creates will not be accepted by majority of the states. but also think there's a stock gap that will encourage to stay fairly narrow. >> like the convention to take up are what and -- >> sure there are some that
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advocate for 12 or 13 issues discussed by the issue and if we covered one issue. it would be fine. two others would be better but i don't think we should go beyond that and first issue i'd like to see is a balance budget amendment in second issue is term limit so there are -- as many budget balance, balanced budget amendments as there are hairs on my head right now floating through congress. there are -- ideas that would cap spending there are ideas that would allow increase in taxes on, you know, or deficit spending at times of war, times of economic hardship. so there are all sorts of combinations of ideas that have come together in budget balance amendments, my thought is that's why we have a convention. and that's why we have a debate in congress to really flush out what had those are. so i vpght taken a position on which balance budget is my favorite but i think we
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immediate to make sure we have something in place and almost passed in 1990s if it did our debt would be a fraction of what it is today 30 to 40% of what it is today. so i hope that we find something. i hope you pixed it soon and able to implement it. >> reencourageed there are so many states discussing this? right now -- >> yes. >> you don't like yes or no anxiouses but yes -- i'm couraged because this has to be a bottom up process and rare that we take a risk in congress on something like a balance budget amendment and try to convince states scene local mountain to adopt it. >> do you think that the movement might spofort spur congress to act and it qoangt necessarily be a convention of the states? >> that's a lesson that we learned in the 1990s convention of the states movement it was gaining traction. i think there are one or two states away from --
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being a i believe to petition congress and congress acted. the balance budget amendment passed the house and went to sthat, and in the senate it lost by one vote. and then the convention states effort went away, and the congressional effort went away. so i do think there's pressure that is exerted when article five movement starts at the grassroots level. >> there are a couple of states that have pulled back that sought to petition this and on the book for a while. yanked recently did. will be an interesting debate. see how this plays out. fnlings it will be, and i don't mention this in the book but fascinating to me a group of democrat legislators from colorado during the bush administration -- filed a a resolution for balanced budget amendment and the republican os posed it because they didn't want to embarrass bush. and when republicans propose it while obama administration was in office, the democrats opposed it. so when they concern republicans
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proposed it democrats opposed it. so i'm not sure whether we can get beyond the partisanship but proposed it at one point or another. >> you accident pressed concern about executive branch overreach and talked about that for a bit -- when for instance, you said that you're concerned that federal agencies have too much power to collect fee and fines things not appropriated by congress pep an you also seem to think that congress hangt done a very good job of oversight. i think at one point you say that congress engages in fire alarm oversight. you know weighing in only when matters have -- have reached a crisis. talk to me about what you see in the time you've been in washington that sort of spells out this executive overreach, and what are the solutions? >> so -- about one-third of the federal discretionary budget is collected fees and fines that
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are collected by executive branch and don't go through appropriations process that means there's no oversight from congress either the person oversight or direct oversight of programs that's a problem to me. i think that constitution is very clear that -- the legislative branch should have is oversight on programs run by the executive branch make sure they're efficient and effect iive other problem is whn an executive branch can raise its own money it tends to have incentive to raise its own money regardless of whether it is using proper methods to do that. and if congress isn't doing its job in examining that, it can be a away situation so i think it is really porpght that money that is raised by fees and fines goes into the treasury and that money then can be appropriated by congress if it is right thing to do. not if it is not and if an
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agency can go out and take money from u.s. citizens to fund itself, it becomes a runway agency. >> what about executive orders from the president this has been controversial over the years. you mentioned president obama's use of executive orders you see president trump using executive orders as well and particularly when it comes i used to live out west i lived in idaho and i know what it's look to sort of a lot of debates about federal land, and have been concerns over years about the use of the antiquity act allowing president to set aside a lot of lapgd taig it out of the commercial use and preserving. talk to me about that and what you've seen in the west and the response to the west about the the use of executive orders. >> so i think that impose back to great example of executive overreach. the act was originally enacted
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when teddy roosevelt was president. it was designed to really deal with two areas of concern. the first was native american sites that had special archaeological assistance and second was -- natural wonders. make sure that we dpght didn't have some sort of mining going on in the grand canyon or special places for american heritage. so what, what's happened and it was meant to be used in the territories not in states because state legislatures weren't convenient at that point in many of these area and couldn't protect those areas themselves. what's happened is the antiquity act has been used not as a shield but as a sword and it has been used to prevent oiling and gas exploration and used to prevent real estate development and has been used for various other means, and it has -- really caused havoc when a
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president now in colorado, we have done a good job of creating national monuments and national parks. but we do is it with congressiol legislature coming together with governor, others we listen to the branchers farmers and environmentalist and others. we develop a plan and we move forward in congress with that plan and have it signed by the president. when the president with the stroke of a pen determines that an area should be a national monument it affects water right and branch and farmers it affects the ability of planes to fly over a particular area so it is near an urban area it creates problems. there are a lot of unintended consequences that aren't taken into account. so i believe that the antiquity should be overused and modified because it doesn't serve
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original purpose that it was intended serve. >> should curve -- >> other acts it is that are really -- are at this point have been -- their usefulness has changed if not ended. >> what do you think of president trump's executive powers he's wielded his pen quite often in his short presidency. >> wielded his fen to undo executive orders which is ironic when we complain about overreach from one president and other president -- uses a psalm power to curb that overreach. he has not used it to my knowledge concerning antiquity act or some of the other land grabs that were used before been so -- >> usually happens at the end of the presidency by experience. >> you know it's interesting -- the use of antiquity act in colorado president --
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declared 21,000 acres of grounds canyon to be a national monument and i believe it was used after the 2014 election. and it was a sort of a tribute to mark udall who lost his senate seat in 2014 election. so i think you're with right, a lot of got out of prison and -- antiquity act is used at the end because it is a controversial act but should be amendmented restricted so it isn't used unless it is used with congressional approval and with the approval of the state legislature that is affects also. >> to this point not too much overreach by president trump in your view. in your view it's a lot of what he's been doing is correcting the -- the executive overreach of his predecessor. >> that's right for the most part. there are some things that i haven't had a chance to it look at that the president has done.
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frankly we've been really busy trying to get the president legislation not only successfully. but if he does get into the same type of overreach, i think that the congress will try to assert its article one powers and make sure that this president like others realize that we are the legislative branch. most notable travel ban has gotten a great deal of attention have you weighed in on that at all? >> i have not. yoang that this president -- is, i think he's acting within scope of his authorities but rule it is unconstitutional for other reasons but not because he's successed his authority. congress has girve authority to sign and decide how much refugees come in and where they come from. whether the courts have added another provision that president can't use religion is one of the factors in determines who comes in is another issue.
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>> you also talk about some smaller changes. and your book you talk about for instance, inspectors general which i don't think most know about role of inspector general in the government. talk a little bit about that and the kind of oversight that you would like to see of executive branch agencies from these sort of, independent auditors working there. and in the role congress should play. >> sure, i think inspector generals are a great example of really important part of congressional oversight. they are of -- designated at least the inspector general des egg nateed by the president. they live in the same structure as the agency that they're overseeing. their budget is submitted bit agency that they were overseeing. and i think their oversight ability is diminished as a result of being in the building and in being susceptible to
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budgets tear restriction bit person they're supposed to be watch dog of. so i'd like to see the -- inspector general's answer directly to congress be appointed by congress and answer to congress and do a better job and i think they do a great job i think they would do a better job if they have that independent. >> you also talk a little bit about mechanics of congress and workweek. can you explain to viewers who might not have a sense of the schedule of what it's like month to month? and what it's leak week to week for members of congress, what is the work week? j well typically we fly in on a monday. which means that we have to be in -- on the house floor 6:30 on mondays nights and we have three or four fairly insignificant issues to address. they call suspension votes and
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they're votes that typically get 98% of the members to vote for them. naming a post office, for example. and so that's counted as a workday. then wednesday are crazy day there's a lot of committee hearings. there's affiliate board work and work that gets done on tuesdays and we understand. and then on thursday is fly out day so on noon on thursday we finish votes on the house floor. sometimes those roads are are significant most of the time they are like the monday evening votes and being -- insignificant. then we go become to our districts on thursday. and on friday, saturday, sunday have a lot of work to do in the districts so the workweek is there. it's just the time in d.c. isn't there isn't much time legislating there's more time listed to constituents trying to solve problems in district and frankly running for office when
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you're in the district campaign time you've got certain visibility and it is time where you can campaign formerly or informally. legislative time i think is most important time for us and time to spend solving problems. i think we did a better job in d.c. we wouldn't need to spend as much time explaining why we weren't doing thing to our constituents. >> so the solution i think you talk specificationly about about mondays and what ought to happen. do you think that monday should be a full workday and votes scmgd throughout the day? >> so i think that if we worked two weeks in a row, we started -- on a monday and we work till friday might and we started early monday morning and worked to friday night one almost double it amount of floor time that we had in congress but two, of members who spend time here
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on the weekends they get to socialize talk about problems and necessity with relationship it is in congress and i think that's enhanced by not having people try out all of the time to get back to their districts to run for office or to hold town hall meetings and other things not that that's not important. i think the balance is off. so there's an a advantage to creating a culture in d.c. where members are are working together. it reduces the the partisanship and increases relationships. >> a guy who didn't expect to make any friends in washington. fnlings alone during that weekend. [laughter] you're here. [laughter] and you know for a sitting member of congress to write a book. a book along these lines, i think the folks who are watching who are writers are probably a little curious about about the process. youyou know, how did it start ad
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find time between the time you're on the the floor all be it abbreviated back in the public. tack to me a little bit about that. >> it is an interesting process and being the first beck and very well my last book i'm not sure -- [laughter] that i will do it again. but it's a fasting process. it starts off with an idea. and i put an idea together. i hired an agent. i hired a -- i started working with a pillow officer who ightd very highly of phil a great guy and read are some of his own works and i put together a proposal, and then the agent shops that proposal to various publishers. a few of them called me and had meetings talked it be. they explain that role of an author. and meetings like this after the book is published. and about so we went through and it was an interviewing process not just for the idea but for me
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personally as salesman of the idea. then -- great publisher and publisher that i know they have worked with senator lee who is a friend of mine, and former senator jiment demint who is a friend of mine so excited when he was willing to publish the book, and then we went through the process of are also flushing out the proposal and chapter by chapter wrote the chapters rewrote the chapters. what you're working with coauthor. so on weekends -- a few weekends i would fly to atlanta where he lives. and we would work together he would take the interviews. he would have is them transcribe and start putting the chapters together. he would send chaps to me and i work through them and more research to get them in and sending them back. and went through that process and reached a deadline where we need to send to publisher we sent to the publisher they examine it.
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they have an editor it was probably 50% longer than it is now and i think they did a great job in really reducing it and getting the same power out of the ideas and i was happy about with what they did. that artwork for the cover was done by the publish sore there's a lot of great talent that went into the book outside of the writing part of it and then it is a matter of planning -- how to release the book and who to talk to and where to go and try to get the word out. >> how long was process from beginning to end? >> ab year. and so what have you been doing now it in the last few dayses? since book has come out you were at the heritage foundation. >> can you see the lines? it has been a whirlwind. i was in new york yesterday doing radio interviews and tv
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interviews, and today in d.c.,ing and again doing radio and tv and i will -- leaf here on friday and next week in colorado with phone interviews over the fine and regular work that i do in colorado. >> so what are key messages i mean as people read of this what have they been read and hope they take out of the book? >> homing they energized realize this is their government. we have more responsibility as americans than just to second someone to d.c. and hope they dot right thing. we have to hold people accountable and involved personally how we run this government so i'm honing people read this and get angry. i'm hoping people witness they overcome that anger they are willing to spend some time and work with an article five group in their state. understand the issue of a balanced budget amendment and
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term limits, and work on some of the things that need to get done. also encourage their member of congress to make changes that we've talked about in term of funds raising or other changes made to the ethics code or rules of house. dges so you have one which how to apply but how do you get involved in article five movement and other appendix is the constitution. what concept? >> why did you include those? >> the -- the effort to win state by state i think is important and i think state legislators are often waiting for good ideas to come their way. and so we have a draft of a resolution used in each state legislate which are to pass and petition for article constitution. the constitution is simple.
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i'm not sure how many have read it. and when you read this book and i'm talking about proper role of federal government within and i reference a constitution i want to make sure that people had the constitution handy so they can go through and look at it and agree or disagree with me but that's my view, and constitution is right there for them. >> thank you so much. for sharing this book with our readers and have fun with the rest of your promotion. >> thank you very much. i appreciate being here today. you're watching booktv with with top nonfiction books and authors every weekend booktv, television for serious readers. >> one of the reasons i wanted to write this book is because there's so much attention paved to opioid epidemic in middle and
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upper class white so white aspect gets a lot of attention almost exclusively will autoof the attention. when fact is we can go to baltimore and east new york right now. we can go to harlem right now and find many, many people shooting up or using pills who are not white or rural middle class people this is an epidemic that affects all income groups all races, ages, demographics and that is something that's largely look past in the media. i think in part because it is easier for reporters to go most reporters are white. i'm white i'm a reporter and you know i'm speaking from experience and most are white. and i think white reporters feel more comfortable going to white neighborhoods to write about white drug addicts so i think if you saw more people of color in newsroom and see the aspect represented more fairly in the press.
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anyway i wanted to cover that. that aspect of it so i'll talking to you about an area involved in baltimore a small stretch on pennsylvania avenue. but where i spent a lot of time writing about at incompetents there where many of the drugs and other drugs ended up. >> they call it oxy alley, on first glance it looks like any other street in west baltimore filled with discarded lick bottles from the thriller video but from the run down vetch of pennsylvania avenue reveals something nor troubling. getting high on products two such users keisha and terry are held up in one of those roach infested row homes with a batch of lewded pills into liquid form. six-year-old son sits in the
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corn or playing with his truck while women friends in high school speculate about quality of the drugs they're about to inject. going to be real nice keisha says nothing oxycodone and light spoon with terry ready with syringe. 40 milligrams i hope they're as god as hollywood says terry recently learned six weeks pregnant with her first child. hasn't seen the ex-boyfriend tyrone in five. i got to make the most of it today because i can't be fooling around with pills no more. these are my sendoff. so gives memorable nails. brands change every few weeks and based on type of drug and dosage. f-16, bobby mother, yellow cake, black dominoes, and red tails were all of the rage in april in early may every addict wanted blue.
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now beyoncé and black ivory they're clambering for. bji fishings woct let us down yet keisha began abusing pain pills securing them for lockwood. they've done right by us with these two she said. other down oxy alley addicts people snorting, shooting from dusk until dun and many got their pills from dealers before pill city came along and that was -- this is -- i write about him sort of a crew that was going to battle with pill city over drug corners and character went in baltimore. the concentration of drug abusers on street is among highest in the country casualties of the ongoing rave waive opioid addiction. few outside the game ventured down to streets like it knewing
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them as yonlsd beyond adoption and investigating number of killings in the area. you come here for within of three reasons to buy drug, to sell, or because you just don't care anymore and don't mind dying. she said. other only excuse he says is your homicide or narcotic detective. you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> good afternoon welcome my name is -- [inaudible conversations] robert a. submit in jefferson studies, research campus here at thomas jefferson's home still the only private house that is on the world heritage list. for united nations, all right it's my pressure to welcome kevin who is associate this professor for the university of coloradoit

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