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>> beat. >> host: congressmen thank you ford joining us let's get to the heart of the book tell us why you decided to write a book phillip and interesting title "drain the swamp" how washington corruption is worse than you
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think". >> guest: i will tell you i came to washington and in 2015 and when i ride and i realized i was learning the details as opposed to just having a general feeling of the fact that it was dysfunctional i thought it was important the american people know the details so they could take some action. to have americans involved you had a career when you came to washington and you were a prosecutor you ran unsuccessfully for the senate then ran again in
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2014 tellus about yourself. >> guest: so i started at a loss school -- saturday law school and working on the iran-contra scandal in 1987 and left the committee and let to colorado in the attorney's office and became chief of the criminal division tran4 district attorney in colorado and worked there 10 years. then during that time iran for the state's senate and in 2014 and ran for the house seat. >> host: talk about a health crisis is seen to of
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influence your decision. >> guest: in 2013 i had cancer. stage for nine hodgkins lymphoma and as i recovered from that this started to question what to want to do from here although i do advocate term limits at the time what do i want you do with the rest of my life? i was unfortunate enough to serve in congress. i am in great health now. thank you. >> host: so what surprises you about it? >> november 2014 with then
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orientation was a lavish party after another but the message is very clear if you're willing to play the game life will be a very comfortable existence the game is to agree with leadership in the special interest groups how to vote and govern. i was not interested in doing that i came to washington d.c. because i have to reduce the size and scope of government. it was more difficult for me in my first term. >> going back to those parties how would that conveyed to you? >> when you show up the army choir is singing with the
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beef tenderloin and salmon and the waiters and as much alcohol is you want to consume. you are in the caucus room which is a beautiful room from the old house chambers there is the clear message this the you will live. you're given gas from the time the your arrive thinking you for the sacrifice to come to washington d.c. so the other thing you are told quickly that you never vote against the rule and there are some things that you don't do as part of your party. bull's-eyes are wind and dining get the same instructions of rules and the most important thing you
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can do is get reelected and to make sure you play the game. >> host: you define that to be in line with your party? not necessarily a you reading with a lobbyist who but the understanding that you develop new leaders are and what they expect of you? >> i think that's right. and as a member of congress with special access to various areas of the archives after-hours it was opened for this party there is definitely a feeling to be specialists a member of congress when you're constantly given special privileges. >> host: you don't hold back and this book you describe those men and women
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that members of congress are foremost happy elevators that our pretty comfortable in the swamp of washington. what do you mean? >> guest: i do mean they are small creatures when you arrive and have the surroundings described earlier you get very comfortable in that situation and you don't want to give up those comforts but one way is to spend money and grow government and not solve problems but create programs and take credit for those with their efficient or effective so many members of congress are scheerer it is the best and highest paying job they have
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ever had and one don't want to give up so the reelection is more important than the actual problem solving that needs to go one. >> host: you write that influence comes with a price tag you talk about the dues members have to pay to retain their seats on the influential committees. can you talk about the jews that are required and how they climb? and what your star. >> guest: both the republican and democratic party have dues based on committee assignments if you are on a committee like appropriations the dues for the republican this congress are $450,000 per person.
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on the secondary committee to a hundred thousand dollars per person to be a chair you have to pay 1.2 million dollars for that privilege. the way you learn those are the way you raise the money is have the events in washington d.c. the lobby is that represent the special interest, and donate money if you don't vote with a lobbyist then they don't show up to those receptions that is a way to coerce the members to have those are rages dues of $850,000 is a way to coerce the members to vote as a lobbyist and special interests want you to vote. i am on the rules committee in taipei my dues.
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howdy pay your dues if you feel the lobby is asking you to vote in a certain way? what do you do? >> i am fortunate in colorado we have to events the fall of each year a private individual comes together to support the full republican members of the house at those events. i don't hold receptions for the purpose of paying my dues. along with the other three members from colorado the dues are paid by folding those two regions. >> host: du interact with lobbyist?
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if you have been the doctor 30 years you have expertise that is needed on the energy and commerce committee it is not what you can pay more money than the doctor should
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not be the determining factor. >> host: as a freshman member, it? >> guest: 200,000. >> host: use philippines on leadership also you have your eyes on former speaker jon wiener bet looking at the subcommittee chairmanship you talk about using your position as president of the freshman class. can you describe what happened in high you dealt with it? >> the with that orientation
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in the freshman class is a wide-open job. you do what you can to bring people together to help members of the class. so then they try to take away some economists a competition and becomes more meaningful at that point so i had the votes to win the vote if it was called so i was notified the review meeting and this came on the heels of the trade promotion authority bill that was the vote that the members of the freedom caucus were voting against them.
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and tell the we had the four members from the freedom caucus there were a number of actions taken against individuals to show that petty retaliation involved. >> what were your actions? >> when i think of house leadership? i didn't have a lot of conversations it was a surprise but house leadership has a job to do and they need to govern but
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when you have either party in the white house you have to move to the center to get something passed. and those conservatives had the move to the senate. and then tried to get the democrats to vote. >> so the book cannot on tuesday what is the reaction from your colleagues? then you add any phone calls or e-mail's quite. >> and i got the message thank you for writing the book but i have numbered from leadership by imagine i
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will have some conversations with everybody returns. >> queue will alluded to the freedom caucus the group of about 35 for 40 house members of taken the stand and during the resignation and then with the obamacare repeal so has her brand then a little different than other members? the word hearing from blocks even before was published? >> little but not that educationally somebody would
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say did you mention me in the book? i did my best to avoid mentioning names but i did talk about anecdotes are stories budget in terms of three people under the bus it has gone on so long in both parties we need to change the institution. i think people are genuinely good would they come to congress and well-meaning.
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instead is a omnibus package that pulls together the appropriations part of the deadline and we have even seen government shutdown as a result. but the next stopgap funding measure to keep the lights on expires april 28 so we are about to face another deadline incongruous. talk about the consequences of making these but the decisions in this fashion. >> it is management and we don't have to have the crisis we have been promised
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for a number of years that each appropriations bill repasts indeed come together in the conference committee will vote on the bill's final time but having a continuing resolution we end up with very little time to read a massive document they have no idea what is hidden and the benefits the special interest groups both with leadership it doesn't benefit the american people or the representatives. >> i talk about one example where a drug company got a special provision is they
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had given a lot of money to the leadership can think again this provision with that small amount of money that they gave like 60 your $70,000 they've made tens of millions of dollars profit. it is a business savvy decision but it waste taxpayer dollars. >> host: what are the solutions? t with a talk about a lot in the book to disengage committee assignments i have no problem with paying dues or supporting the party to
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become the majority but i do ever problem with selling. i have asked them to make it unethical for the individual to consider fund-raising when making the assignment and has to be the ethics rule or the house rules. >> have you had any response? >> this then did the mail a couple months ago i did not expect a response right away but we have had major issues so i will go talk to the
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ethics committee to get support but it did say process that people call need to think through and the language has to be carefully crafted the lasting one to do is create an ethics rule that has the unintended consequence. >> host: you talked about term limits talking about the procedures but what is the appropriate amount of time? >> guest: it is a great question i think a lot of the term-limit bills i think some of them are too short but we need to be realistic if you have a speaker of the house third in line to the presidency that person sit
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-- should have served the sufficient number of years to learn the system is not practical for a speaker to serve 40 years and then become speaker at two years that turnover would empower the staff but we don't like that to have as much power as a redo. and is hard to pinpoint but the 12 or 14 or 16 years is a fair range if you start talking 30 or 40 years there are members that i serve with that have been around from the time richard nixon was impeached how can you be in the swamp and not be affected by that? did meg and they concede the mistakes. >> a think they are the institution.
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day are from the mistakes that were made but also ways to avoid accountability but when you get too comfortable >> so i have to ask you will that be deeply offensive greg. >> i did not come here to make friends. i am here to do with job because their people in america you are in panic mode right now we hired an
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outsider to be president because we did not trust the insiders. we should pay attention. >> host: listening to the 2016 campaign as we get the 100 day mark? >> it is very difficult to say people want to look at the small snapshots i think it is very difficult to say good things or bad things of this point. but with that supreme court nomination and to be a supreme court justice and he has done a good job and one of the challenges to be president is to run the
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government. is difficult to judge the first 100 days. sending a signal to the world that america will be actively engaged with the human atrocities to lead other countries use biological weapons on their populations. that is a clear message and in terms of the ethics involved in washington d.c. to talk about certain things to limit the number of years to put a boundary of the number of years that you worked for as a senior person in that agency
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congress should adopt that. >> host: issued also pass legislation in this the year in the house into years in the senate to see that barrier they could never become a lobbyist? >> 85 years is the good time period if you don't do something else that i make the distinction to be involved in the issues with a love for public policy analysts mean set that aside for five years if you lobby for the interest group he should have to wait a certain period of time.
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>> unmentioned those freedom caucus members with the initial health care bill leno there was never a vote cast by explain your position from other members of the freedom caucus. >> as the bill got better over time and more conservative over time and ultimately would have provided better health care to individuals in this country. looking beyond the health care legislation with this approval for a nominee with the president to serve the initial legislative victories to give momentum to do the things he had campaigned on and
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specifically tax reform so i would support this bill with the end standing the secretary of hhs would do more in terms of regulation to pass other bills to help strengthen initial effort. the challenge to you is budget reconciliation is the gimmick to pass through the senate with less than 60 votes we could not pass a full replacement with reconciliation plan to send those legislative restrictions and it was as good as your going to get. the time being was important because the savings from the health care bill if we don't do that first and looks different.
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>> i know the president called the outnumbers on twitter 20 lived in the primary threat to. if i lost the presidency i did not lose sleep over that effort but i described in the book as petty retaliation because it is not like changing all. those from eastern colorado support me if the president
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tweets it will have an impact and is an interesting decision to have a press conference to say i am not mad at the freedom pockets and then tweets something so that psychology is involved in that. >> you think health care will come up quickly? >> i hope it passes and we will see with the senate does. >> this seems to be encouraging the readers and that is to get the state legislators to consider amendments to the
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constitution with a balanced budget amendment talk about how that might work and concerns leading to a runaway convention they might decide to look at again rights if there is a second demand for right or if the marriage is constitutional. id you avoid running away? >> article five is out in can be amended the first way is this country's history for a measure passed the house in the senate to be sent for the states for ratification and now to ratify the amendment and to petition congress and that
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petition with list of very specific area to be debated at the convention one way to make sure the does not become a runaway convention not only to stick to their original purpose but also the other 38 states have to ratify whenever comes out of the conventions of the idea we could change the second amendment i think it is not only prudent for the constitutional convention to remain narrow because that would not be accepted by the majority bellsouth think there is a stop-gap. >> issues are what?
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>> guest: advocate 12 for 13 issues to be discussed but i think if we discover one that would be fine. i don't think we should go beyond that. in node also like to see term-limits. a like to see as many balanced budget amendments there are ideas that would allow an increase of taxes or deficit spending in times of war so there are all sorts of combinations of ideas coming together but my thought is that is why we have a debate in congress to flesh out what those are. to find out which balanced
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budget amendment is my favorite to make sure we have something in place if it had passed in the 1990's the debt would be a fraction of what it is today maybe 30 or 40 percent so i hope we find something to be implemented. >>. >> because that is a bottom-up process. because we take a risk in congress and try a to convince them to adopt that. >> do you think that could spur congress to act rex. >> that is the lesson learned in the 1990's.
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and then to petition congress with the balanced budget amendment and then lost by one vote but they do think there is certain amount of pressure that the article five movement. >> host: there are a couple los states that have pulled back that this interesting debate. >> is fascinating to me with the balanced budget amendment and when the republicans oppose the obama
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industry shin and the democrats opposed it so i am not shirk if we can get beyond the partisanship but i do notable sides have proposed it at one time or another and spirit you express concern about the executive branch over reach that they have to much power to collect those fees the appropriated by congress and he think congress is not done a good job of oversight he says fire alarm only would they have to. what are the solutions? >> one-third of the
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discretionary budget collected by the executive branch and with that appropriations process it is power of the purse the legislative branch should have oversight of the executive branch to make should they are efficient and effective but when it can raise its own way and has the incentive regardless if uses proper methods to do that. it could be a runaway situation. and then to go into a the treasury that to be appropriated by congress.
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into take money from u.s. citizens and then to mention to use executive orders as well but i used to live out west side of lived in idaho and know what it is like with concerns over the years of the antiquities act. and then to take data of commercial use and then the response with the use of executive orders. >> that is a great example
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the act was originally enacted and designed to be to areas of concern of the special archaeological significance and then second was the natural wonders with special places so what has happened it was meant to be used in the territories but not the state's but what has happened the antiquities act has been used not as a shield but as the sword to prevention oil and gas exploration or real-estate development or other various
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means and has caused havoc. in colorado we have done a good job to a wine with the national parks but we do that with the delegation coming together with the state legislature and the governor we listen to the ranchers and the farmers and environmentalists and we move forward with the stroke of a pen the president determines an area should be a national monument it affects the farmers and ranchers or the fleet are -- for the planes to fly over area there are unintended consequences and believe the antiquities act should be expanded in modified the
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usefulness has changed. >> host: woody think of president trump's abuse? seizes his pen quite often. >> key is under do something executive orders when we complain about overreach from a prior president when he uses the same power to curb that he has not used it to my knowledge for the antiquities act or the land grab in use of the antiquities acting colorado.
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obama declared 21,000 acres in reid believe it was used after the 2014 election as they were but out of prison in the antiquities act unless it dishes with congressional approval. without a much overreach. >> for the most part that i
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haven't had a chance to look at what the president has done and if he does give in to the same type of overreach i think congress would discern those powers. >> silica that travel ban. >> i don't think this president, i the he is within his authority but not that we have exceeded the authority to decide how the refugees come minnesota or where they come from. if the courts and add added another provision to view
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religion as one of those factors is another issue. >> with the role of inspectors general talk about the oversight he would like to see. and the role that congress should play. a really important part of congressional real-estate the inspector general designates if they did in the same structure as the agency's budget the oversight ability is diminished as a result to be
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in the building to be susceptible by the person they are supposed to be the watchdog. the by to see them be directly to congress to do better job than they do take they do a great job that would be better with independence. >> host: utah about the mechanics of congress. what is the like month to month? >> to be on the house floor to have three or four fairly
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insignificant issues to address they are to get 90 percent of the members to vote. that is counted as a work day but aren't tuesday or wednesday has a lot of committee hearings and the lot has to get done and thursday is fly out so i knew we finish roads on the house floor sometimes it is like the monday evening vote and is insignificant that we go back to the district's said friday saturday sunday mirror in the district. the work week and is there there just isn't much time to legislate as it tried to
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solve problems when you are in the district you have certain visibility that you can campaign formally or informally that is the most important time to solve problems if we did a better time for the constituents. >> host: said the solution he talk about what ought to happen should be a full workday with votes scheduled throughout the day? >> if we started on monday work through friday night started early monday morning working through friday night we could double the four tied in congress but those
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is spent their time here of the weekend get to socialize to talk about problems this is a necessity by not having people fly out all the time that creates the culture to reduce the partisanship tim mckyer did not expect to make friends in washington. [laughter] to be alone during that weekend here. [laughter] it is unusual to write a book and we are curious about the process.
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and it will fly to be back given the district talk about that. >> it is an interesting process. but is starts off with the idea. i hired an agent with the fellow author i think very highly of. within the asian shops that proposal and a few of them called me into have meetings to talk about it after the book is published so we went
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through. with the salesmen of the idea than a great publisher that i know who is a friend of mine so i was excited when reg green decided to publish the book to flesh shall that proposal. >> and then we would work together to have that transcribed london sent the chapters to be and then to be in that process.
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and to examine that. had to do a great job to get this same power under the idea is that was done by the publisher the result bottom great talent as a matter of planning of where to go to get the word out. >> so what about the last few days? >> it has been a whirlwind.
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always endeared yesterday doing tv interviews. and doing radio and coty i will leave here to on friday and then do radio interviews over the phone. alum the work they do in colorado. but what do hope people take from the book but. >> help they realize this is their government we have moral responsibilities to hope that they do the right thing we know not to get involved personally so i am hoping people read this said getting deeply that they're willing to spend some time to work with article five of their state and work on the
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term limits. intimate those cheeses and terms of fund-raising. or to the rules of the house >> and then how to be involved in the article five movement. >> why did you include those? >> the effort to win state by state is important there often waiting for a good ideas but the draft of the legislation to pass an petition congress but that
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constitution is simple and when you read this book the proper role of federal government to have it handy and look at it and that the constitution is therefore that. >> host: fate. . . sharing this book and have fun with the rest of your promotion. >> higher appreciate being here today. . >> two things happened in
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press took notice as they began to notice the trial in mississippi with everybody attending was the equivalent of michael brown in ferguson and the national media attention today. henry was rattled beyond belief of the savage face that appeared in jet magazine. but his entire generation was of that generation and then rediscovered his mission with the murder of emmett till. but that same year with
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apple the epidemic to have the assault vaccine in trial for and then he will come up one morning and could not move his legs. and as a quadriplegic you worked his way back to regain the use of his arms and one leg so those dramatic events of the stunning adulthood but the first time he ever felt rejected that and for the rest of his life. but he was the guy that inspired hundreds of filmmakers that he tries to
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