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>> this afternoon south korean president moon will be at the center for strategic and international studies in washington to talk about used south korean relations. live coverage of that started at 6 p.m. eastern on c-span.
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u.s. ambassador to the united nations nikki haley testified this week before the house foreign affairs committee on u.s. relations with the u.n. ambassador haley talked about the un's attitude towards israel, threats from north korea and russia and china's veto influence on the security council. this is about three hours. >> this hearing will come to order. today we consider the role of the united states at the united nations. in her first few months, ambassador nikki haley has approached her job with determination and purpose. chairing the u.n. security council in april, she spotlighted the grave security challenges of north korea and nuclear proliferation. she has castigated iran and hezbollah for their role in sowing instability across the middle east. and ambassador haley has made it crystal clear that the u.n.
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human rights council's record of protecting dictators cannot stand. indeed, as ambassador haley has declared, the united states role at the u.n. is to show our strength, show our voice, have the backs of our allies. >> i think that as well said, ambassador. the united nations is charged with the ambitious mission to maintain international peace and security and to achieve international cooperation in solving international problems. but unfortunately, the organization all too often falls short. u.n. organizations continuously debate issues, but too often take no meaningful action. as ambassador haley has eloquently described, u.n. organizations like the human rights council give dictators and human rights violators a platform to attack israel. in addition to calling for the u.n. to end its bias against
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israel, she has made crystal clear that this international body can no longer be used to promote anti-semitism. i was pleased to see ambassador haley's prepared testimony recognize that human rights and conflict are directly connected. from my standpoint i think regimes that don't respect the citizens of which they hope our and visitors like otto warmbier won't respect their neighbors, won't respect international agreements. given its terrible human rights record, it's no surprise that north korea is determined to deploy international nuclear ballistic weapons technology, threatening the region and the united states. meanwhile, companies and banks inside china continue to provide critical hard currency to that regime.
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the united nations has passed good security council resolutions on north korea, spurred by u.s. legislation, but solid enforcement is needed. as we will hear today, the president's budget proposal includes significant reductions in u.s. funding of the united nations and its agencies. u.n. peacekeeping has played a critical role over the years advancing u.s. interests, and should be prioritized, in accordance with u.s. law. the recent deaths of peacekeepers in south sudan and mali remind us of the dangers they face. but peacekeeping would find more support if failing missions, some decades old, were closed and the horrendous sexual abuses tackled head-on. this committee has pushed to improve the u.n.'s transparency and accountability, advancing
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protections of whistleblowers and bringing u.n. peacekeepers that are sexual predators to justice. ambassador haley, we look forward to hearing how we can support you working to improve transparency and accountability. this committee stands ready to assist in your difficult tasks ahead. and i now turn to the ranking member for his opening remarks. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and madam ambassador, welcome to the fourth affairs committee. i have watched you in the short bonds that you bent ambassador. i hope you enjoy my hometown of new york, the best place in the world. and i've watched you with admiration in terms of how you been conducting yourself. as i said to you in the room before we started, we pride ourselves in this committee on being the most bipartisan committee in the congress, the chairman and i've worked very hard to do that.
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whether, where there are disagreements there are disagreements that we all share the same goal, and, of course, the united states is the world's biggest superpower. we believe we have a lot to offer the world and want to continue to work with all the countries of the world. i was disappointed in the budget. budget. i said this to secretary tillerson as well. it cuts our support for peacekeeping efforts in the united nations by nearly 40% of peacekeeping missions help people have been driven from their homes by atrocities in south sudan, u.n. peacekeepers are not protecting nearly a quarter million civilians in places like liberia, missions are scheduled to close soon because they been so effective in building stability and security. we are traditionally invested in a little more than the minimum required in peacekeeping, and that's what i think an indispensable power should do, which is what we've done.
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that's to show the world weary bighearted country that wants to see people all around the world live healthy, prosperous allies. american personnel are not deployed by these efforts. our men and women are put in harms way. these help prevent crisis so we don't have to intervene militarily and to do it for eight times less than what would cost to send an american soldier. so burden sharing i know has been talked about burden sharing. i believe these efforts by the definition of burden sharing. the administration is also seeking to completely eliminate americans support for the u.n. development program for disaster relief coordination or u.n. women, for the u.n. population fund, for unicef can support the children living in the most desperate circumstances 100% reduction i think that needs to be changed. the u.n. has its problems. no one disputes that. we talked about some of them. i think the way israel is blamed and bullied by u.n. members is terrible. as i told you before, the so-called human rights council
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has the worst human rights abusers on that counsel, and it is the epitome of gaul or chutzpah as was in york to that they can sit in, look at anybody in judgment of anybody given the fact they of the most abysmal human rights records on the world. in the world. it almost makes it look like alice in wonderland. but i do think american leadership is urgently needed to help shape security council resolutions and initiatives of the u.n. bodies, and when appropriate use our veto to counter this imbalance. the walking away from our commitments isn't the right way to affect the reform we all want to see. i believe these cuts would send a deeply troubling message to u.n. members that the united states no longer wants to be a global leader on a whole range of issues, and that we would to steve the ground to whomever steps into our place. i can't imagine a more harmful course.
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if we want our values and our partners to be the values and priorities of other countries, then withdrawing multilateral engagement is a grave miscalculation and make no mistake, asian, moscow, iran and plenty others would be more than happy to see us back away. so i'm glad congress will have the last on the budget issues. i remain deeply concerned about the number of other areas where american foreign-policy is going off course and how that affects our ability to work with other governments through the u.n. i hope your test we will address some of these problems. let me say as i told you before i look forward to working with you. you have approached this job with the zest and a verb that is been very refreshing. we will from time to time have policy differences but i think we all stand for the same thing obviously and that's what we tried to do in the foreign relations committee. so welcome. i look forward to your testimony and look forward to your tenure as u.n. ambassador. i yield back.
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>> thank you, mr. ingle. i now yield to the gentleman from south carolina to introduce eyewitness today. >> thank you, mr. chairman. it's a pleasure for me to introduce my friend, ambassador nikki haley, to my colleagues to a stop on a native come ambassador haley graduated from my old alma mater, the 2016 national football champions clemson tigers. [laughing] i'm shameless, dies, she looked at ambassador haley mad to scors a trailblazer. in 20 -- to the bush can the first indian american told staff to live public office when she won a seat in the south carolina statehouse where i served with her for six years. in 2010 she she was elected the first female as well as the first minority governor of south carolina. in her tenure as governor of south carolina ambassador haley brought investment and job job e all over the world. south carolina now holds more than 1200 operations of international firms which employs more than 131,000 south carolinians.
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a lot of this investment was directly tied to governor haley is efforts, spatial businesses in europe and in asia. on november 22, to a 16 the president in mac donald trump become the ambassador to the united nations where she continues to strongly represent american interests on the world stage. ambassador haley, welcome to congress and we look forward to your testimony. i yield back. >> and welcome, ambassador without objection the ambassadors full prepared statements will be made part of the record members will have five calendar days just to make any statements or questions or any extraneous material for the record, and i would ask you, ambassador come if you could summarize your next. >> thank you very much come into my friend jeff, go tigers and thank you for that introduction. chairman royce, ranking member engel, and distinguished members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to discuss advancing u.s. interests at the united nations.
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five months and three days ago i was sworn in as u.s. ambassador to the united nations. i came into this position at a time when many americans felt a deep sense of betrayal at the u.n., in the wake of passage of resolution 2334. at my confirmation hearing i made the following promise,if i am privileged to be the u.s ambassador, i will never sit passively while america's interests, and america's friends, are run down at the u.n. five months later, i can say that i haven't been quiet on the issues important to the united states. and i can say this, i have kept my promise. our friends and our rivals know that america has once again found its voice at the united nations. the international community is now very clear about what the u.s. is for and what the u.s. is against. it wasn't long after my confirmation that my promise was put to the test. in early april, the syrian
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regime dropped chemical weapons on syrian children. we forced the security council to hold an open, emergency session, which some member states didn't want. we drew a red line, if the u.n. would not act collectively, the united states would act alone. and we did. we've brought new accountability to the north korean regime. when north korea continued its illegal missile tests, we brought all the nations of the security council together, including china and russia, to impose new sanctions. even as we focus on north korea's nuclear and missile threat, we also continue to highlight the barbaric human rights violations the regime is committing. otto warmbier's death brought home to americans the brutality that north koreans have known for decades. the same clear voice we've used to take on our adversaries, we've also used to support america's values and america's friends. thanks to u.s. leadership, human
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rights are at the forefront of the u.n. agenda. for the first time ever, during the u.s. presidency of the security council, we convened a meeting dedicated solely to the protection of human rights and their relationship to conflict. we made the case that human rights violations and conflict are directly connected. history has played out that when governments don't respect the rights and voices of the people, conflict will soon follow. we've also called out the u.n. human rights council for legitimizing human rights violators at the expense of their victims. we've put forward reforms to make the council what it was meant to be, a place of conscience for nations and justice for victims. i traveled to geneva earlier this month to make it clear to the council that continued u.s. participation is contingent on adoption of these reforms. on a related note, the u.s. mission now refuses to tolerate one of the u.n.'s most
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disreputable and dangerous habits, obsessive bashing of israel. we forced the withdrawal of a false and biased report. and we've steered the security council's monthly debate on the middle east away from unfairly targeting israel, and toward the true threats in the region such as iran and hamas. in the areas in which the u.n. has real value, we've built on its good work. peacekeeping is one of the most important things the u.n. does. we are reviewing each of our peacekeeping missions with an eye toward ensuring they have clear and achievable mandates. we are also working to ensure that troops are ready, professional, and committed to the safety of civilians on the ground. troops in the u.n. peacekeeping mission in the democratic republic of the congo, for instance, have long faced charges of sexual abuse and other serious misconduct. we inserted clear instructions into the mission's most recent mandate to enforce performance standards for troops.
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there is no place in any u.n. peacekeeping mission for predatory and abusive troops. our peacekeeping reforms are aimed at producing more effective missions for vulnerable civilians and holding host governments accountable to their responsibility to protect their own citizens while also cutting down on waste and inefficiency. we've adapted the mission in haiti to changing conditions on the ground, and are on target to save at least $150 million for the year. we will continue our reform efforts when we take up the peacekeeping mission renewal this month in darfur, sudan. our efforts will hold the government accountable to improve humanitarian access. mr. chairman, thank you for this opportunity to highlight our efforts to reassert u.s. leadership at the united nations. it's hard to believe that it's been just five months since i moved my family to new york to begin this exciting and challenging new chapter.
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i look forward to more progress in the months ahead, and i welcome your questions. thank you. >> thank you, ambassador haley. let me start with this point. this week the white house issued a firm statement, a warning to syria after it was picked up that assad come his regime come was preparing potential for another chemical weapons attack. you amplified that message yourself. have we seen the regime take any steps in response to that warning? >> well, i can tell you that due to the president's actions, we did not see an incident. what we did see before was all of the same activity that we had seen prior for the april 4 chemical weapons attack. and so i think that by the president calling out assad, think by as continuing to remind iran and russia that while they choose to back assad that this is something were not going to
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put up with pixel i would like to think that the president saved many innocent men, women, and children. >> let me ask you a question on the u.n. security council resolutions that were passed with respect to north korea. we are a few years away from north korea having an icbm capability that can reach the u.s., and we have this question about enforcement. we have a second bill in addition to the sanctions bill which i and mr. engel passed formally and was signed into law, we have a second bill to try to close in additional loopholes specifically what we're trying to do is to stop the use of forced labor by north korea where they will have workers into the middle east and other countries. instead of the workers being paid, the money goes right back into the bank account at the north korean regime and it is used on its nuclear weapons program.
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so we're trying to cut off that hard currency and try to cut off some of the hard currency that comes out of beijing that subsidizes the regime, even with the sanctions that the security council has passed. can you tell us, if we had enforcement, what would be the impact on north korea's regime and their ability to move forward with its nuclear weapons program? >> and more pressure we put on north korea, the better. you are dealing with a paranoid leader who thinks that we're trying to assassinate him, who thinks we're trying to do regime change, who keeps his public in the dark only hearing what he wants them to hear. what we need to remember is that he is building a nuclear program, and you're more optimistic saying it is multiple years before an icbm comes forth. i think it's going to happen sooner because they are on target to do that.
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and the continued use their people for the violation so i would welcome any sort of pressure that you can put forward to slow down the process of nuclear development. >> i think this is so critical. secretary mattis has said that north korea is the number one threat from his standpoint, and i think he also is to get the senate to take action now. and i would suggest immediately. that bill has been over there for some time. i also wanted to ask you about the human rights commission and how your efforts to sort of change this system to competitive voting rather than regional rotation in order to make sure that the human rights council ditches some of its old procedures and ditches the anti-israel focus. i mean, we had 70 resolutions
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against israel and very few to touch on iran and other human rights abuses around the planet. how is that going? you sit down with i know many europeans when you travel over there to make this pitch to those governments. can you give us an update on it? >> yes and i can give you an example that will bring it a very close to home. we hav had seen terrible things happening in venezuela, and we continue to be very, very concerned. and so we brought up i called for an emergency session the security council for venezuela. and my colleagues were not appreciative of that because they said it wasn't at peace and security issue and that it needed to be heard at the human rights council. the problem is the human rights council never heard anything or condemned of venezuela because venezuela sits on the council. along with cuba. and saudi arabia and china and the list goes on. so i want, did want to send a statement from your i thought it was important that it went in person.
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i explained to them that this can't be a place bad actors go to to protect themselves and point fingers at others. i told and agenda item seven that picked on israel. those issues can go to agenda item for. many of them agreed that it discovered the human rights council. i do think we were heard at a do hope there change. >> thank you. i go to mr. elliott ingle of new york. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to piggyback on the question about the human rights commission. first of all let me say, madam ambassador, i heard your speech at aipac and i thought it was a very fine speech. what's so aggravates me about the u.n. human rights council is that they have the nerve they said before detritus in judgment of anybody else, people should be investigating them for the worst human rights abuses and
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they do to their own people as well. so the u.n. human rights council has target issue ever since its creation. they have agenda item seven, permanent agenda item targeting israel, the only country specific agenda item at the council. obviously it's ridiculous and unfair. and the membership of the council is an embarrassment to the u.n. some of the members engaged in the worst abuses. with all the problems of the council, i do recognize that because of use leadership they council has begun to ship its scrutiny to some of the world's worst human rights violators. according to the american jewish community institute, u.s. participation has improved the councils treatment of israel to some degree and shifted some of the councils focus to yemen rights violations and north korea, iran, syria. at the same time according -- the 2006-2009 u.s. boycott of the council, i'm going to quote come did nothing to prevent the
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council and continuing to cause damage. i have a couple of questions about this. what steps do you propose taking to remove agenda item seven from the council's agenda and reform criteria from membership of the council? and i abhor conferring legitimacy on any entity which disgrace against israel or is so one-sided but it were eliminated if the u.s. withdrew from the council thinks could actually get worse. i'd lik like you to comment on , what will be the infected u.s. priorities including the protection of israel if the u.s. were to withdraw from the u.n. human rights council? >> thank you mr mr. engel, and t is my dilemma, which is are we better off being on the human rights council with all of these bad actors where it's very hard to get the council any credit, or do we do our own human rights rights outside the council? that's what remains to be cedric the reason i went to was i thought it was important. reference to agenda item seven, when it with a like-minded
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members of the council, they admitted that agenda item seven was embarrassing. they admitted that it discredit the council. they admitted that they thought it needed to come off. what we found out is there are three main groups that continue to use agenda item seven. it's the egyptians, it's the saudis and its pakistan. so those are the three. everyone else has shifted to agenda item four. we actually think that the palestinians would be okay if we shifted to item for if we talk to those three groups. though that is my focus now is try to talk to those three groups to see how we can shift them off of agenda item seven. the truth is that son some he ws to bring israel up for violation, that can happen under agenda item for. but if you don't have an agenda for north korea, you don't have it for syria come don't have it for venezuela, it really is nothing more than abusive to
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have it on israel. especially with all the threat in the world. and so i think they took this seriously. i am continuing to have meetings on this. we met with commissioner and told him that we needed his help on this front when it came to that. he agreed and he felt like it was doable. so it's going to take a full-court press and of going to all you to help in terms of pushing that narrative that we really want to do that. added think they don't want us to lead the human rights council. so we just said this got to be competitive elections. we got to make sure that it's not already decided who's going to be on there and then we had to get the general assembly to not vote for these bad actors. it happened last time russia ran and russia lost. that was a huge moment because russia typically the p5 always wins an election but that was due to weather doing with ukraine. there is a possibility of change. we just had to be very aggressive about doing that.
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>> thank you. my time is almost up by wanted to reiterate some of the things i said before. i get you set angry at you and as a way when you think they take us for granted. but i don't want to cut off my nose to spite my face. united states presence at the u.n. is very, very important, and i worry about the president proposed budget cuts to you in funding. and i wish that the administration would take another look at that. nine of your predecessors signed onto a letter in support of the continued payment of u.s. voluntary isis contributions to the u.n. saying the cuts we could our hand. alienate our allies in kosovo the wrong run. -- long way. i would if you could quickly, and other. >> my job was to go in and see if i could find value in the urine. u.n. that was the directed all of you gave peter that was directed the presidenthepresident gave me.
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there are a lot of places that the you is very effective. there's a lot of fat around the edges. bubut i do think it is very important that we make the most of it. i will tell you that from the president's budget, keep in mind that that was more of making a point. it was making a point that he wanted to strengthen the military, and he was putting the united nations on notice, and it worked. and i'd use that as leverage because now we're seeing a lot of the other countries come forward and say yes, we should do reform. when it comes to peacekeeping reform, they've worked with us on every single renewal to change it, to make it smarter, to make it better work for the people. when it comes to management reform they are working with us on changing it. i really do think the message was effective. my hope is that i can be your conduit in terms of working from the president's budget to where you all have to some decisions to help you know exactly what i
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think is important in order for us to continue to have a strong voice at the u.n. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you so much mr. chairman. welcome madam ambassador. you've done an admirable job in your first few months and a demonstrated strong leadership at the u.n. i also want to commend you for your forceful words against a maduro ratio. thank you, speaking out so strongly for the venezuelan people. there was a turn for the worse just in the last 24 hours as you know there was a helicopter attack targeting the supreme court by maduro and maduro surrounded the national assembly. so the violence is escalating, thank you to mr. deutch for bring of venezuela with the secretary-general yesterday. what actions are you considering to hold maduro accountable at the u.n.? are you considering security
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council actions or sanctions? i know it's difficult environment for you. how can we put pressure so that maduro at least allows you mentoring assistance to help the people? let me just quickly touch on to other topics, madam ambassador. i've introduce legislation over the years that exposes problems and offers solutions on a rough, particularly the incitement issues, that ties to hamas and its employees and the fact that u.s. taxpayer dollars are used to support this violence. the mandate was extended lamentably through june 2020. how can congress help to shift the mandate to the u.n. high commission refugees because three more years of this is unacceptable. and lastly the human rights council is in the process of creating a blacklist, database for supporters of bds to use to target israel's interests where
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does this database effort stand right now and what are we doing to kill this effort and prevented from doing harm to israel? thank you madam ambassador. >> for some venezuela, because the human rights council would not hear the issue on venezuela, we had emergency secret accounts a meeting in new york but then when i went to geneva we had a hearing or we had a meeting outside of that to just discuss venezuela come issues to bring it home to the human rights council that they needed to do this. the region very much didn't want us to talk about it and thought this would make things worse. but as you saw with the oas when they attempted to talk about it, venezuela got out of the oes and recently the oas met again and speedy we didn't have the vote. >> they were unable to do anything. i can tell he we need to keep the pressure on maduro picked our signs he is now going to start using his military and use weapons, anything you've seen
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seen on tv come it is so much worse. it is a terrible situation, and so is much pressure as we can continue to put on maduro that we are watching speeders almost 80 people dead, thousands arrested, thousands in jail. he's acting with impunity. >> they just want to be heard. they just want to be heard. it goes back to any government that doesn't listen and take care of other people, conflict will follow. it is a direct correlation. >> please keep acting on behalf of the people. >> we will continue to do that. >> and on unruh -- >> on unruh i went and visited i unruh came when he went to israel and the palestinian area. i asked about the books and what we were saying. they think they have gotten it down. they said the problem comes in to the culture versus what we think is incitement. there continue to work on it ever continue to pressure on -- >> baloney. >> i do think that we need come
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we need to look at unruh in a way we expect more of them and put pressure on them so that we can get the changes that we need to have, changes in what they considered to be a refugee, changes in any textbooks and incitement, changes in hamas, members teaching in the schools. i will say that there's also good that comes out of unruh what to do with the schools on healthcare you do see value in it but i think we just need to continue to pressure them on the things we want to see changes -- >> and on bds? >> the concern on unruh is a try to get ss contribution in the u.n. and we fighting that . on bds i at something i spoke about in geneva and said it was a problem. i'm very concerned, very concerned that we may not be able to defeat this but we're trying extremely hard to show that this is something that cannot happen bit as governments hostile and we were the first
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state to fight it off you are not dangerous and abuse of this would be we will continue fighting this the hallway. >> thank you. keep kicking butt. thank you. >> brad chairman of california. >> madam ambassador, thank you for your work on behalf of the people of south sudan, your briefing of april 25, and i hope you're able to achieve our objectives. i also want to thank you and join with my colleagues and thank you for your efforts to refute and to halt the u.n.'s obsessive tendencies with unjustified attacks on israel. i hope that you're pushing inside the administration to get them to fill the empty boxes on the organization chart. now rex tillerson has praised the people who are filling the acting positions, you know, acting assistant secretary, acting under secretary. my wife has been with the state
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department for 20 years. you can't get policy direction from somebody who has a big were temporary on their door. until we get those positions filled with people that reflect what administration wants to go, we don't have foreign-policy in the hundreds of areas that you and the secretary of state can't personally address. the world is better when the united states is involved. we're involved in the united nations. we are not necessarily going to be paying our dues are share of peacekeeping. is it easier or harder you to do your job if we don't pay our dues? >> okay, thank you for that. yes, we will continue to work in south sudan. i will be visiting there in the fall to deal with that head on. israel i will continue to call them out every time that happens. i hear you on the state
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department, and what you told secretary tillerson. we have worked really hard to fill the roles and u.s. u.n. and are almost there, so thank you for that. in terms of the peacekeeping budget, what we did was speedy the peacekeeping and the dues budget. my question was on we have our general u.n. dues, the line item for that and the presidents proposed budget cut 27%, peacekeeping 37%. does that to diminish your ability to do your job doesn't make your job easier? >> no. so my job has worked well because i've used that as leverage. with every single we know what we did was we look at the political solution. we look isn't working, easy tap in the the people on the ground? what they've done in the past is challenged areas. they would just send more troops to it. if the troops are not trained and the troops don't have equipment, it's not going to be effective. what we've now done is changed the mandates to make sure
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they're smarter -- >> i have to cut you off because i have this -- >> let me just the u district we just negotiated the peacekeeping budget last week and i was so proud of making because we can't it by half a billion dollars. that was with the support of speedy but now that it is a budget like him should we contribute our allotted share? >> i think that you can comfortably go to 25% and know that we will be okay. >> russia, we have a bill that passed the senate to impose sanctions on russia and iran. it's got its congressional review provisions. i've been here a long time. the only way we got the sanctions on iran was to overcome efforts. the last two administrations who wanted either no sanctions are wanted the administration to be able to just wait a want at that we don't like them so we were not do them. is the administration lobbying to change the congressional review provisions of the senate
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passed iran russia sanctions bills request i am not aware that they are lobbying for anything. i do know that they are reviewing it. >> okay. other speakers also renewed recently the sanctions on russia in reference to ukraine. those were renewed last week. >> other officials have testified that they haven't spoken with the present regarding russian intervention last election. have you talked to the president about the? >> i have not talked to the president about that. and look, i think the best thing that can happen is for this investigation to play outcome plant quickly. i have no reason to think there was any, any sort of involvement between the president and russia and -- >> try to move onto one last question. the u.n. security council resolution 2231 bands or deters iran, testing ballistic missiles is the security council incapable of addressing iran's violations of that resolution? >> we're going to push hard to
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address it. they tested come to have launched ballistic missiles and now, but we are seeing they are sending off weapons and things too bad actors. and so yes, we have to continue to address that. the problem is russia will always veto it. >> thank you. >> we go now to chris smith of new jersey. >> thank you for convening the hearing. thank you for your strong and effective leadership. it's principled. i know and talking to many of the diplomats in new york how respected you are. you also made a mark and you are deeply respected so for that leadership in there's no better friend or diplomat or otherwise for israel and we thank you for that as well. yesterday rex tillerson secretary of state rightly designated china as a tier three country to chinese government. the worst violator for sex and
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labor trafficking. i want to than thank you, the administration for making that bold and i think long missed call. for years we've been asking china whether the sex trafficking, somewhat attributable if not largely achievable to the missing girls, 62 million missing girls because of sex selective abortion. there is no other parallel in the world at our labor trafficking whether it be north korea or the problems of just exploiting workers through what was thought to be a reform of the system which didn't really happen. thank you for that designation. it is very well accepted. let me ask you about -- nobel peace prize winner who has terminal cancer used to in china piggies out of prison were told getting medical care. i know the administration has already asked to our ambassador that he be allowed to come and get treatment along his wife to
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a suffered de facto. what have you can do you know you have a good working relationship even though i'm sure you might but hesitated with the chinese ambassador to let him come and let them come now please bear out after that. let me as a special envoy for combating anti-semitism. that post has not been filled under one over the amendment in the year 2004 to establish it. it remains unfulfilled and rightly so the american jewish groups are very upset by that omission. fill it, put the people in the don't double habit i would ask respectfully. there is so much of a rise in anti-semitism and it's needed now and that person whoever he or she may be can walk point i'm trying to stop this terrible hate that is on the rise around the world. let me also just say thank you. we were in south sudan just a few weeks ago. i was there earlier in august. we met with people and the
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change is remarkable here they were at garrison merits only take the military community plymouth that sat and did nothing when tehran compound was attacked including a woman for my own district he was sexually abused. they just sat there, did nothing. we now to your great leadership have a very effective much more robust mandate by a miss some want to thank you for that leadership. on famine, you might want to speak to this, we are concerned both karen bass and i were in refugee camps and one ib decamp in unity state. there are shortages, particularly in uganda. there was a 50% cut in food and i know there's some $990 million that has been appropriated in the appropriations bill. our hope is that it does not carry over into next year. it needs to be spent now. these people come also women,
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85% of people in the camps are women or children. they are in desperate need of food security and food aid. so please make sure that money gets today. finally, i know we're running out of time, but last year with three of our committees including ileana lost reitan, -- north korea and iran but the word election profit organization and its director general. every child against the whistleblowers who expose their wrongdoing and today we people of lost their job at the u.n. because they did the right thing. please come if this is an injustice. this has to be corrected. i asked for your personal intervention on it. >> thank you. so in reference to the person being held in china, letting them go, we are all on it at different levels of the administration to that is moving. in terms of the envoy for anti-semitism, we welcome all
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the help we can get because i think that it is, i agree with you on that. in terms of south sudan we are seeing baby step progress in that area, but it's baby step. but we continue to work on that. like as i will be visiting in the fall to speak with the president myself on behalf of the united states to see if we can put some pressure there. also, know that south sudan has fallen off the famine list but it is still food insecure. it is still very volatile. it still a vulnerable spot. famine is on our radar across the board and all four of the region so we need to be looking at, so we were watching the close and working on that. and yes, we continue to work with him and were current issue that come up and we will always do that so please feel free to contact me anytime. >> gregory meeks of new york. >> thank you, mr. chairman. madam ambassador, i actually stunned at the responses you just gave back to mr. sherman
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that you've never spoken to the president of united states about russia's involvement in our democracy. never talked to the president of the united states, we've got to do with russia, and the biggest question that we've had recently is russia's involvement in what they've done to our democracy. or you do not have had a conversation with the president about that involvement is absolutely shocking to me. secondly come jamaican the word betrayal in your opening statement. i want you to know that that's an appropriate word to discover what i'm hearing from my constituents and fellow americans and our allies all across, at home and abroad. they feel a sense of betrayal because of the way that the trump administration has diminished america's leadership in global standing. our allies have expressed their sense of betrayal and mixed messages coming from the president. and i believe this budget proposal is a betrayal of our nation's interests.
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so while you mention a sense of betrayal regarding a single u.n. resolution, i hope you recognize the deep sense of betrayal that many americans are feeling right now as the administration pursues a path of isolation. recent pew polling shows american global image has been significantly hurt by president trump with one exception, russia. they have confidence in him. and i know that this matters when it comes to diplomacy and our ability to successfully engage internationally. you mentioned earlier about human rights, yet when the president went to saudi arabia, there was no mention of human rights. when he went to egypt there was no mention of human rights. when he met with the chinese there's no mention of human rights. when had the russians in his office giving away national secrets, there were so mention of human rights. so i am concerned about yet when he went to europe where our
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allies are, he was critical of them and criticize them. so it seems to me that the actions of the president of united states will make your job a very difficult job. because you were supposed to be working with everyone, and with the decrease in confidence in the united states, it seems me that would complicate your job to advance our national interest. and then it seems as though we are not sure when you say one thing and the president comes back and he says something else. so how do you handle situations in which the white house contradicts or provides something you have publicly said or the secretary of state have publicly said with regard to use policy? how is it, what determines what u.s. policy is, given all this especially from the pew poll going on, you seem to have lost
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a lot of our leadership around the world. >> thank you. want to know what coffee you're drinking this morning. because i need to start drinking that. first of all, let's go to because i want to enter all the strict these are very important questions. first of all with russia. my conversation with the president are very much, you see me bash rush on ukraine picky seemly bash rush on cd. you see me call that russia to give we see any sort of wrongdoing by russia, and yes, i do think russian metal in our elections and, yes, i have said that to the president. so having said that, i haven't asked the president any further questions because i just, it's not something that's on my radar. i don't get asked about any of those things at the united nations on very focused on my work in new york and that is never come up once. there's the issues with russia that if come up once by any member state in the u.n., and so that's the focus. u.s. leadership in our global standing.
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mr. meeks, we have really put a strong voice in the u.s. at the u.n. i mean, they know we are back. they know we are strong and i will tell you when the action took place to strike syria, a number of the massacres that came me and said it's so good to see the u.s. leading again. very -- >> do we lead looks we pulled out of the paris agreement. >> i'm going down your list. >> i'm just talk but how we are pulling out the we pulled out of an international -- we have a president who indicated he wants to do bilateral, no multilateral agreements, no companies and multilateral organization. >> he supports me at the u.n. and he supports want them to get. when you talk like human rights, i was the first person to ever bring of human rights at security council i went to geneva to talk about human rights. i've been on it in terms of venezuela, what's happening in south sudan come all that. the president supports me on that. so when you talk about different views and those things that are happening, we are on the same
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team. for me to talk about it, he is supportive of that. >> you said the president hasn't. >> i work for the president, and i don't go rogue on the the president if he is very aware of what i'm doing. he's very supportive of it. and i can tell you that all of these issues we are not a part on it. he believes that strong on the things i talk about as you know what else, and i would invite you to come to united nations so you can see for yourself the strength the u.s. is showing there. i guess it is strong. it is hurt and it is viable. >> regard to go to mr. dana rohrabacher of california. >> thank you very much. pretty strong coffee there. gregory. pretty strong coffee. i don't drink coffee myself. >> i don't either. i might start. >> i don't drink coffee either i just concerned about my nation. >> okay, well, let me just note that a think the trail is a very
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rough word, and i would suggest that anyone who voted for giving $150 billion to the iranian government, making data available should not be talking about the words betrayal. >> i didn't use it. she did. >> let's note. madam ambassador, i'd like to, number one, join my colleagues in suggesting that venezuela is something really important to look at, those people down there. venezuela used to be a shining, base of a shining example of how freedom can work and although there were a lot of problems people working together peacefully. i know for that to degenerate into what it is, if we can lend a hand they are both at the united nations and through as your spokesman there in united nations, make sure they know how concern we are. we should also be concerned about turkey. turkey is going exactly in the
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wrong way, and these are things that we inherited from the last administration. let me just note this, venezuela didn't just happen now. it's been heading that way the last of administration did not do what they needed to be done. we need to do more in that area to support the good people there in venezuela and turkey. let me know if we also need to support the good people in iran. resident giving $150 billion to their oppressors, we should be seeing what people we can actually be supportive of in iran who oppose the regime. i hope in the united nations with these debates, those are the types of points that could be made. i'd like to ask you about how much money do we spend come you said 22% of the u.n. budget. how much is that altogether? >> 600 million.
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>> 600 million. and how much does china paid in their dues, do we know? >> a lot less. a lot less. i'm happy to get to that number. >> i'm just saying that because i think when we have a body like united nations and we're spending such a high proportion of the budget comes from us, for us to be the whipping boy, or our friend come israel become the whipping boy, i think that is, should be unacceptable. you can rest assured that those of us on this committee will be backing you up when you make such stance. my friend chris smith mentioned sex and labor trafficking in china is something we have ignored up until now. and i would hope that the human rights issues do become part of president trump's agenda.
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let me note, by the way, we only have the last administration for eight years to compare what mr. trump, president trump is doing. i think president trump is doing a great job. doing a fantastic job. how many american president,, instead of going, this american president went to saudi arabia and talked to believe of the islamic world and set if you want to be friends to the united states, dried the terrorist out of your mosques. i've never been more proud of a president since ronald reagan said terry down this wall. and i think it was equipmen equo that? i would hope that those people who are just anti-this president are trying to play politics with it, and that was just one last note, russia is a flawed country, a fraud state ..
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>> >> let's hope we can establish a more positive relationship with russia to help all of us. >> i will do this very quickly i will continue to be a thorn in the side when it comes to venezuela or human-rights of any country that in terms of russia i agreed but general matters continues to work with russia we do need to work with them on syria and we
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can on counterterrorism so we're trying to find the places we can but we will call them now if we have to. >> mr. chairman what to say to my friend and colleague to a south carolina i have a question to like the governor or a being in the big apple? i am kidding. [laughter] ambassador i did not grow up in this country that i grew up where the soviet union but the destruction of the country this is the worst country in the of world if we have to restore democracy still the frustration is the president does not seem to share that view. he does that seem to speak strongly enough to be
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interfering with the democracy of this country how he is trying to destroy everybody around him. but he is the biggest voice you have a big voice but he is bigger. but to say this is happening . they did try to undermine the democracy. ince also raising those human-rights issue and joanne to fight shot a state trooper and fled to cuba and has been living there but tell the president that we want this criminal back so
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we can't continue the justice. so you can talk about that and also venezuela i am very concerned i saw one of the police officer shot through a fence, a young boy, point blank. it is horrible. the hypocrisy if united nations said on know-how you walk to the halls with those he rights leaders and the commission those are some of the worst offenders in the world. so you could talk about that. >> in terms of russia when i can tell you is that i have done a strong share of russia bashing the president has not called me once to tell me to stop for it anyway has told me don't bash russia so i do hope you will understand that he very well could have but hasn't.
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soul in reference to the cuban criminals, yes i am on that to see what we can do to get the administration, they have been very good about getting people called and it is a priority so i will make sure that is of the list. venezuela is a huge concern i cannot bring enough attention to what the venezuelan people are going through and how we're seeing more aggression and to get more aggression emplaning those protesters but when all they want is democracy on the front and we have to work with certain people some issues we agreed and others we don't but i have a loud voice on both so
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working with china i do with the human rights council i call up cuba and saudi arabia and venezuela and china and i will continue to do that because we try not to isolate anyone but to make sure we can work with them when we do. >> do we have any kind of plan in case we have to use of military? he is in the final stage so do we have any plans? because itt will have an exodus them a lot of people from columbia so do we have a plan?. >> in a couple of places week will continue to push up the security council i
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would welcome any support you can guess budget now we have to go back to the security council because the u.s. is also reviewing the policy so with our meetings venezuela is coming up on their radar as well. >> cpac ambassador i met you for the first time last week thank you for your time we are very impressed what we have seen so far as she entered into your current position i will repeat to some degree what other members have expressed that
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is the un human rights council to spend the inordinate amount of time to criticize our most important ally israel and as you stated with that chronic bias if it is to have any credibility and i do agree and i respect i don't know if it is possible to gain credibility with the waste of time they spent criticizing israel so anything you would like to tell us -- at issue. >> referred to the human rights council. the reason i went to geneva was to say that to them and suspended the statement from new york so for the united
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states to be involved and they have to give us a reason to be. because right now it is inside or outside the council with human-rights. other countries are embarrassed by agenda items seven and they understand something needs to happen. what they have suggested it is saudi arabia and pakistan and india that uses agenda item number seven so we will work with those three to get that stopped. but we also need to have competitive elections. when you have cuba and venezuela and china on the human rights council there is something very wrong. and then over the place that actors go to sit there to keep the sunlight from shining on them and it bears the is these countries when he writes is brought up that is the reason they don't
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want me to bring that up to the security council but i will continue to do that. we will see if they make any pro-active keen pleasure negative changes to the human rights council then we will decide if it is better to be on or off. >> i agree completely. thirty-two korea as the knoll the elections recently with a new president that is more on the left than the previous government and tulu have delayed deployment of the big mistake i think but they plights the troops at risk and president trump said as much that he did not feel that they were saved.
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he didn't say we should give south korea a choice to have so they get the missile system and the troops with no missile defense or u.s. troops it is a very clear choice and they need to face the choice head on. and is irresponsible to allow the troops we have troops there for many years. their role is up for at all round the world that was at risk but it is unreasonable when we have the ability to defend those troops and that could defend those troops much more effectively and i welcome your comment. >> that is something that what we saw was very
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cautious but he has made good strides towards us and away from number three on many levels i also think he gets pressure from china to get rid of that and to get that bad system mount -- out i do think it will work its self-help but the second we see something that doesn't go in the favor of protection of our troops that i know the president will act. >> thank you very much. >> good morning madame ambassador. you indicated you were
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making a point more than a serious contention in and of itself. what point was being made to point out funding for unicef? that had a lot to do with saving millions of children's lives around the world with rehydration and diarrheal diseases it nutrition programs not political why would we easy road that out?. >> i think what you saw was putting the u.n. on notice it was about the specific organization but i have seen unicef in action to see the schools and what they do with the president's budget did and where you end up.
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>> i have been doing budgets year ended by local government over 30 years when you zero that out you're not making a point but a statement in judgment of that enterprise. >> that is that the value that they apple i also had a budget as a governor it is a starting point bin you work with the legislature to bring those two together. so the president was trying to make a point to build up the military were there is certain cuts. >> building q. we're going there -- you don't want to go there so those in need to pay the price our children
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around the world who are at risk of malnutrition?. >> i know having conversations with the president on the budget there is working room where i know he wants to support unicef. you were one member of the administration. good for you. this does not make a point. you said we're so glad we are beating again. and with trump ripping up the tpp i am looking am praising america's leadership?. >> i can tell you right now as a governor with that paris agreement the regulations putting on the businesses in the same as it did with me trying to
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recruit international company. >> that wasn't the question i am asking. i am asking if your colleagues at the un reprising those decisions as america began according to your words. >> u.s. has to make decisions of the best interest of u.s.. we will not throw the climate out the window we will continue to manage that. so did the best interest of the country and that does not mean we will not be good stewards. >> we don't want china or russia to handle us. >> excuse me be held to initiate that paris agreement. >> but that didn't go through the senate. >> but nicaragua and syria.
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>> we are being independent. >> what instructions have been given?. >> i talked to read russian counterparts. >> so why would urge you say? i met the u.n. working on international issues i have made a public that i do believe they interfered and also not to have any country and i stand by that. >> so the russians with the united nations had you received any instructions you have not talked about that. >> has not come up that united nations have use received instructions from
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the state department?. >> no. nine. i said what i have said i am on the record nobody has said he were out of a minor don't do anything. what i appreciate this administration does not tell me what to say or not to say . they allow me to say why they can support me through that. >>. >> thank you for restoring leadership and for participating in the national security forum along with senator rubio and myself by chair the allman security committee when negative committee over the last six years i saw the caliphate expand and nothing was done to stop it and to be launched out of the region now the epicenter for terrorism and the greatest humanitarian crisis with
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millions of refugees is in turkey and jordan and from europe which poses a risk as well. i am very proud of this administration's efforts to crack down on this terrorist organization but in the meantime now iran is in the region so what is your strategy to deal with this complicated situation?. >> it is changing by in the day i will tell you visiting jordan and turkey recently with the syrian border see what the migration was doing jordan and turkey to give
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education and health care and a stipend of niobate card if they go to web page or restore it is by the eyeball skean with you percent fraud it is impressive. so they have the turkish doctors treating the syrian doctors so that they can take care of syria turkey is taking in 3 million refugees but they feel the pressure to double shifting schools turkish are in the morning syrians are in the afternoon competition for jobs is starting to be there but the syrians are grateful and if you look in the camps they are creating their own economies and we need to support those countries.
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>> if i could support those actions with use of chemical weapons killing children in a hospital as long as he remains in power the civil war will continue to golan that is the cause of the whole problem and it will buy and. >> with the political situation i the queer certainly making lot of strives to get isis out it is aggressive and faster than expected now the iranian influence in syria is a problem and will continue because of your complete backing assad russia backs iran because we make that one of the best things that we did when the
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president made that decision it sent shock waves to let them know we will not stand for it and also with any signs of chemical weapons and usage to be involved. what will the u.s. role be post u.s. exit because healthy syria is not with assad and power with a healthy serious a look at it from all levels to realized so we have to make sure it stays vulnerable for those other terrorist. >> it is nice to get leadership and a part of a the world. >> eight other russians are starting to see him as a liability for that opportunity to work with them to have a graceful
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exile. >> i agree. >> welcome ambassador haley i just want to make one request i would implore you that every of opportunity might have to be with the iranian delegation for his return to his family. i am grateful for what you have said to speak out forcefully in support of human rights that time storer advocacy for human rights seems to be at odds the other members of the administration to put that in the center of the policy agenda and a the lack of
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coordinated messaging and i imagine it makes your job challenging and to haul that presidency of the security council we can shine a light on human rights abuses for greater efficiency for the refugees because the u.s. is fully engaged at the u.n. while it is far from perfect view retreat instead of working from within so american leadership is helping to prevent the global health crisis with that to prevent wars so i hope you will continue to
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use speak out to commit to these efforts but i do agree that with the human rights council the country has been subject but it is also true the number of his real specific has increased and as you pointed out to take them seriously when some of the most of the worst abusers are on the council but if we want to give those bad actors free trade to continue to make a mockery of human rights we year-old up worse off for that and i hope we will stick with that and continue to make the case. but with an agenda item number seven knu tall us how
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we're working to air france that so how can we help you with that? how can we help with an agenda item seven? that it can be a cheat -- change as early as 20201 but with your discussion with other countries as anyone's who will not look at that absurdity with that agenda item on the human rights council of complete the ignoring number three at and venezuela so my question is given that those countries are the ones that object at this moment has a lot of the table had you spoken to the
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administration about using all of its resources with the pakistan knees to help the of understand why to make the human rights council a place to be respected?. >> with bob levin said i will never let that go. that sits on the hearts of many americans who want to see him and his family reunited. yes. we will continue to keep up the pressure. and to make those decisions were that budget needs to go and lie is valuable and we will continue to be a leader at the un and i strongly believe that we just need to decide what those areas are in reference to the
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human-rights council yes we talk about competitive elections because by the time the region decides who that will be there already on the ballot so we have to look at that context it will require more engagement we know it can be done but they lost because of the participation of ukraine to say how do we continue to to bring those up? we're working natalie with the human-rights council but to bring that to light and see what we can do there is no agenda at number seven does not come up until 20201 but we will not wait that long so there are ways we can do that now and as trying to do
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that multilevel and i have discussed what pressure on my country's to want to remind the committee the president of on the state department said $350,000 of taxpayer funded grants to in organization called one voice. ambassador haley you're doing a great job eggs for being here today. my side air of the aisle bleeds for aid is a powerful tool id for policy i get a little more chagrin when the recipients don't fault with the united states at least half of the time. if you look at the voting
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records back when i did the research and 2012 that was like 18 percent of the time if you go to the list of countries that receive billions of dollars of taxpayer dollars this is money from hardworking american taxpayers that cannot even vote with us as a benefactor i know you are aware of that and to get those beneficiaries to grow with us do you support that position that we should have those beneficiaries of taxpayer dollars. >> fell one plane died continue to make that united states will not take -- continued to be taken for
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granted you cannot always assume this money that has rolled to you will continue. i do think we very much have day partnership with congress because we need to make sure they understand it is in just give me the money and go against the things that matter with us and to coordinate that is what we want to do in the win to get the votes that way that we always want to do what is a the best interest to help people. we will not be rolled over any more or allow that to happen every dollar matters and other countries just need to respect that and understand that and not voting against that in turn
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so yes at the end you are right. >> and with those that did not seem that they could grow with the united states or any sanctions at this point toward venezuela so let me ask you about so sense those columbia and fork negotiations so to look at the increase of cocaine trafficking out of columbia i believe if they took their eye off the ball with the cartel and to create cocaine production to put money in debate before it was a legitimate political power under the peace agreement so
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is there any conversation about pope paid in the -- increase of trafficking and what we can do as a community to stop drug trafficking?. >> first of all, to go back to the last comment i would remind you we give quite a bit of money to the palestinian authority with any leverage we can do will be very important so if you can make that correlation to use that as a conversation point is very helpful. in terms of the farc there is a of a good announcement there to have that one year mandate and that is to bring up the effectiveness how to
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make colombia strong. also the south carolina national guard that is partners with columbia as well as you are right to see past the farc to look at the future of columbia. >> we're very proud of what they're doing so good luck and thanks for being here. >> 8q madam ambassador to death in the register that you brought that security council and also working with you on south sudan and went to rescue question is primarily related to that given that u.n. has declared that famine has the worst
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humanitarian crisis since 1945 but it is what nobody seems to know anything about so what they doing to bring back prices because the last time there was a crisis like this in somalia 200,000 people had died before the world took notice our contribution of $990 million we put that in the continuing resolution as chairman smith mentioned that goes out the door as? as possible because that is the entire point than those proposed by a the administration so a file
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look at that hand day out -- handout to make substantial contributions but other donors have a lot to contribute i want to know your thought in terms of getting other donors to step up to the plate. >> i really do believe these for famine areas are extremely important to have peace and stability we need to look at that it is very important to work with usaid to have a former south carolina governor who hits the ground running and is really starting to raise
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quite a bit of money for the world food program that we need to continue to put pressure on other countries to try it because the secretary general has raised this issue is something to be concerned about we don't want people to be excited that south sudan came off of list as they are very strong but there is the political issue to have access issues with the south sudan when it comes to yen the year watching the up court very carefully to make sure there is no problem with the port for we are really in a bad situation and that is the deterrents but what is most important is to continue to talk about that because that was hugely important when it
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came to the famine relief that is the reason i go there in the fall so i can see that so what the u.s. can be doing. >> even though famine has been rolled back people are only getting enough food for half a month. but they're still very much in a crisis but if you mention the overall food program but the food budget calls for cuts to that so i am holding your position you can push back to encourage those cuts not to happen if we have any reason to say we will have to address the root cause which is the conflict and those countries
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that disagree with us and to withhold a dumb us what? how do you measure that? i think it is a very bad precedent to go forward. maybe we could speak before you head off to south sudan. >> no hard percentages but just look where we see a bad actor that is now relating well with the palestinians that creates a conversation to helping courage that. but we don't like a hard cuts in terms of that and i continue to tell the president what is valuable and what is not so people like the unicef for the world food program and
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famine is what i have and continue to talk about. and that is where the final budget and that. >> is great to be in the chair with ambassador haley here. >> ambassador great to see you on behalf of all of the americans we're tired of seeing america being the whipping post we're very proud of your service in the president of the united states. so with your indulgence so while it is interesting so the less new found concerns those nations continued efforts to draw cater every bette bao that fdr administration to serve at
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the very highest love those of government but to be the aisle must continue to be a maverick -- to be enamored from fdr to the previous president statements and i also have a news flash, russia of the communist and socialist always medal in america and they always target us and they will continue to do that so welcome to the fight. ambassador, i have a question i will put up front to think about. i am working on some legislation to prevent u.s. taxpayers from funding and i want to get your thoughts and a general way 67 years old looking at the mission in a statement in to the
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palestinian-israeli conflict counter palestinian terrorist groups accountability and good governance. in that context what we are dealing with now the bad expansive definition of refugee that the president a boss has acknowledged the end but the hamas affiliation in 2006 the dollar loss candidates have held 11 seats under the executive board those the use textbooks that material to delegitimize israel 70 .6% so furthermore 76% of
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the chair is taking part those that were under the age of 30 and i don't understand how they report directly to the general assembly rather than the united nations high commissioner on refugees. so currently bier at 31 percent of their budget for a temporary mandate we're out of cash do a tour around we're in debt and we have unfunded liabilities. and as a matter of fact i think it is correct to say it flies in the face and runs completely counter to every single one of the policy goals the yet those hard paying taxpayers pay for this.
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i have thoughts about what you said but i wanted to see for myself sutlej palestinian area is i looked at the schools in the textbooks and hamas and where things were going and this is what i will tell you. yes, it is not perfect and when it comes to any sort of relationship with hamas that needs to come out. i don't think they're cleaning up the textbooks but more work needs to be done. the only reason we say don't eliminate unra there's so much resentment behind that fence that and an educated palestinian purses and educated palestinian. >> i will pull out just a
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moment so but me ask you. how much longer should folks like me wait on behalf of the american taxpayer for them to clean up their act? it is 67 years. >> i feel your frustration but we need to figure out is what is the replacement but first we have to limit the refugees that unra covers they are not all refugees. there is the other place to get that so there is a population there that does need to have that all the points you raise our right. >> my time is expired at a minimum we should look at if you cannot meet that mission we should be established that. >> mr. chairman and madame
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ambassador the office of u.s. women so they can contribute to a conflict resolution and deals with an issue that the committee has been very involved to be active as a participant with that counter terrorism strategy and to engage women into those who are victims of violence what point did they make buys zero funding? >> so to look and see what
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the office does what the role should the and report back. >> do you think that is valuable?. >> so anything that empowers women creates a healthy situation that works for girls. yes this house could of the surface but whether it is any program. >> so what is the timeframe? can you enlighten us so the office will know that it will continue?. >> you can expect that short-term it has only been five months we're trying to cover as much as we can i will be happy to report back what we find out and let the president know as well. >> this committee has been very involved to deal with that.
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>> so second to be talking about staffing all of those areas i wonder has a made negative it difficult so do you have the of lots of opportunity how frequently do you have that opportunity?. >> because i of a cabinet member i generally work with said general and his staff quite a bit with the firings at the state department we have nothing to do with that . up until now we have saved 500,000 compared to this time last year so those certain things.
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>> that hasn't inhibited you in terms of communication with that lack of staffing?. >>. >> do you have occasion? right now with those middle east issues? how frequently do you talk about these international problems?. >> it depends on what issues he is working on this survey before i went to israel to look at those un programs side download the trip said that me know if there is any issues so i. rarely work with secretary teller said or general mcmaster but if there is a certain issue they will call me. >> what is your view of his role. >> with the israeli
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palestinian peace process he is being very effective when i was there, there was hope both sides realize they have to come to the table and something needs to happen he handled the respectfully and aggressively so on any other issues i know he was very involved in the trip the president made to the area because i was there and it was very well-received. >> what is the position in the blockade?. >> i see that as an opportunity it isn't good chance to tell carter quit funding of moss they are
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funding groups and others like homosporous been going back to saudi arabia that the same time so to hit on both of them. >> and we hope you have that opportunity and i yield back >> welcome ambassador before you assumed your error position that was a disaster is resolution without frontal attack on israel would assured the standing of the world your predecessor played to facilitate that?. >> major to every member of the security council to let them know what that was to the people of the united states. >> is that a change of the previous administration?.
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>> there were some who were apologetic and others resentful or acted in different bed yes they did let me know this was u.s. lead and that only made it worse. >> do we have an opportunity to repeal or reverse that? if not why should they beef up -- of those resolutions, 20 of them we deal with the only jewish state?. >> it is nothing short of abusive of what has happened to is reelected only compare it to kids bully on the playground they did that to make themselves feel better and it was a habit and because they could. we put them on notice that
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my very first hearing spiritous the american taxpayer have a right to expect changes?. >> absolutely they know not to talk about it is very hard to repeal that but we will call them out and we have seen a decrease in the rhetoric and the last israel bashing session has taken place every month than the last 10 years the first time the majority of the members pushed the peace process instead of bashing. >> we can also take other actions like the president promising to move the embassy do you support doing that?. >> i have always supported that and i hope this president supports that as well it is not if that happens but when. >> hope it is soon if we could do that now.
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garett is an issue of americans born in jerusalem the state department does not allow them to write to jerusalem or israel because that is disputed. can we get relief for those that they could just have jerusalem on the passport?. >> i am not aware that but i can talk to the state department about back. >> the muslim brotherhood is that part of the solution or the problem and should they be designated as a foreign terrorist organization?. >> that is not something discussed i am not a fan of the muslim brotherhood a do think they are more problematic than helpful. >> if you hit the terrorist
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that is a foundation in ideological view and if we can deal with that that is much more holistic lee and effective is turkey valuable part of that display were they are beating american protesters? so our relationship with turkey is strange what is that viability as an ally? with the rest of the allies and what they hold. >> turkey is complicated but meeting with of foreign
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minister talking about access into syria to stop the ngos but we talked about others. but turkey is a fantastic host country to the syrians and they are doing everything right. their government is starting to turn for the worse as more of a dictatorship. i work very closely with the turkish ambassador with everything going on they are not happy with what we have done with the white pg but they get it they don't like it but they get it so turkey is one of those a has its good and bad side but it has been made clear to them at the highest level you cannot come to our country and act like that at the highest level they know that is not something we will tolerate.
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it is very much frowned upon they give excuses and they know we're not taking their excuses. >> obviously for in the diaspora it is the pride for the community looking at us u.s. security council to have those modernized so in a statement released earlier the president reaffirmed his commitment and that we should include all of veggie for so i have told all
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members of the un we are in support of the security council as long as they do not take the veto. so we will continue to engage. >> server now the budget was making a point as opposed of the reality we talked a little bit what unicef does and also talk to you have seen first hand it is incredible leave valuables so can we get your commitment that we will do our part to push full funding. >> we need to remind these organizations that they need to smartly spend and let's
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get there budget as well because we look smarter at our budget i will support unicef i am happy to continue to talk about that but also talking with the administration. >> so you in the family planning agency to prioritize the health and education so to provide access to contraception and with gender based violence and against the abusive practices and genital mutilation and then to keep
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that at the forefront and then to add of taipei's to china but every ounce of that money goes to all the things you just talked about to the general health programs. >> and i have some concern. . . let's remove funding from those types of programs or let's hold them accountable. they are doing tremendous work
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around the world protecting on trans health and i say that as a doctor. we shouldn't just throw everything out if there's a single program. i understand there's the amendment and instead of withdrawing all funding, a lot of women will suffer. there will be unnecessary deaths and so forth. can i get your assurances that you look at these programs as opposed to zeroing out and eliminating these is on a lot o, yes, i'm happy to work on you all of those. but that is a decision that's been made by the administration so i don't anticipate a change in that but i'm happy to at least let you know the information that they have. >> the administration already made a decision to zero out funding for unicef?
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it's not necessarily an ending point. we can continue to put some of pushback. >> i think that is a directive that we got that would happen. we haven't had that on unicef and other things but i will tell you it's very important is global health of women and children as we go forward and so, we have made sure that that same money is going to global health programs to do the same thing with the usaid. i'm happy to get you any information i have as to what the administration stands is on at. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. ambassador, it's great to see you here. it's refreshing to see you sitting there, compared to where we saw last time. i love your attitude because you're not certain political party. you're not serving so much the initiation but your representing america as it should be represented in its strong
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leadership. i thank you for that. some members are still in denial that america is facing tough economic challenges, austerity measures are coming and i am for one, happy to see the product cut that the president has offered and those reforms are what we need to make secretary tillerson quote the terrorists toward north korea has ended. veterinary medicine we have a comparable phase and is called benign neglect and that is opening an illness will get better at on its own. however, it doesn't work for terminal disease and that the situation in north korea is. we need to use it. my directions will be reports china and china help with correcting the problem and are they a strategic partner or a strategic opponent because i think their actions speak louder than their words. they say they want to help us and what i see is doublespeak.
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if you look at what china has said they would help us with with north korea, they were going to put more pressure on them but yet when they said they're not taking in cold, if you look at their iron ore imports from north korea to china is up 270%. their trade for north korea in the first quarter of this year is up 37.4%. so, when you look at what china is doing, they are putting pressure and boxing taiwan in and they thrown them out of the world health assembly and taiwan with such a valuable partner in that. they're the ones that came up with the cures for the sars epidemic and they threw them out of that. they put pressure on the panama and they went against south korea will report the system and that was strictly defensive in nature. so, china is showing aggression and at the same time telling us that the work with us, yet, they take over the south china sea and claimant all is there's under the guise of peaceful navigational purposes. it's great to see the phone off
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that we did the freedom and navigation that the navy did and we hope we can continue that with all nations in the south china sea. their rhetoric isn't there and detailed un report issued in february of this year published the names and addresses of multiple un designated proliferators that have openly operated on chinese soil for years and since then, the center for advanced defense have exposed china -based business networks as being behind the smuggling of record cargoes of north korean weapons to the middle east. so, we are funding -- china is funding and allowing north korea to gain access to these weapons or they're producing them, selling them to the middle east, going into the hands of terrorists writing our troops. china is really going to help us
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my question to you is why hasn't china been held accountable for the repeated violations and undermining of un sanctions and what tools does the un have in your capacity to china accountable and ensure the sanctions are implemented. to the things: i chair the asia-pacific subcommittee in foreign affairs and i know were separate branches of government but i want to know where we can help you in one of the things we did is put in the state sponsor of terror bill and i would love to see north korea put back on that state-sponsored terror list so we can enforce the tertiary and secondary sanctions. you could answer that question about china. thank you. >> when it came to north korea, i do think there was a good faith effort initially and we continue to put more pressure and they continued to move a little bit more and as the missile testing continue to happen they actually publicly, in china, were saying things
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about north korea and then all of a sudden north korea bounced back and at that point we saw a calming down of china. untrained and pulling back of china. i can tell you that they did, when we proposed sanctions on north korea and all the entities in those missile test, they voted with us and they were we were able to pass because they were with us. are they doing enough entrée to north korea, no. labors, no. any of those other things, no. the pressure we have put on has been strong and i have said publicly if we have to go to secondary sanctions we will. so, we are not passed holding anyone accountable when it comes to supporting or helping north korea in what they are doing with the nuclear situation and we will continue to push hard on that front. >> thank you for your service. can help you, let us know. >> we go to lois from florida.
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>> i want to thank you for your service. i have very high hopes and expectations for you. i'm urging you for you to remember that you represent all americans, not just a president of the united states. i will start with a little bit of a rant and that i do have a question. i do not understand why our president wants to put more money in defense but reduce the funding for those elements of our security that would keep us from having to use our military. so, that means i think that your efforts should be fully funded obviously. i want to say this and i want to say it politely because, as i said, my purpose is to urge you to be a champion for the women of this world. i did not like your answer to my
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colleagues question about the defunding of the united nations population fund because you said well, the administration has already made that decision. i want to urge you to try to convince our president and his and meditation to overturn that. i know you would agree that for the world to be peaceful that women need to be fully productive in their societies, not just reproductive but they means they have access to healthcare. in our own country, our constitution gives us the right to contraception and legal abortion. yet, we are making every effort to cut that off all over the world. we have the gag rule now, and this defunding of the united nations population fund and with a totally phony excuse about
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something that china is doing we have no proof of. i want to know how you will fight and make sure that women have access to healthcare around this world. >> thank you, i first want to say i do believe this position, i am serving every citizen in the country to try to have a strong voice for the united states. i will continue to do that and i say that as my role in job. i have a passion for, not only women but children in conflict, so, at every position whether it was jordan, turkey, israel, i always meet with women. now, i meet with others but i do a separate sidebar for and to find out exactly what they care about. for example, in jordan and turkey the psychological support that they need in their children is a huge thing and i'm trying to push that we start to go to
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that psychosocial support in helping them. when it comes to family planning, we want to help with that as well. >> how you do that work answer this, have you had a discussion with the administration about reversing their position on this healthcare funding? >> first of all -- >> would you have a discussion? >> of course. i've only been there five months. it was decided early on and i have no problem looking into it. i have no problem checking to see what the reasonings were behind it. >> i'll say something here. i think it's an urgent issue because i have to tell you that access to healthcare and reproduction is something that is occurring everything all day, so, you need to do that. i have another question. >> keep in mind that the us is not the only one that funds
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this. we are the third largest donor to the unfpa. while i know the us has decided not to do that, those programs are not stopping because we do have others countries that are funding it. i do not want you to think that goes away. >> i just want to urge you, plead with you, please, focus your attention on that. next question in last question is i know that the president has suggested that your budget be cut and hopefully congress will go along with that. i want to get a clip from commitment from you. if we found the position and refund the efforts of the un are necessary will you take the effort to hire the positions and make sure that the issues we are trying to find are executed? >> i don't have anything with the state department hires.
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>> i'm asking you about your hires. >> yes, we will continue to do that and whatever budget you give me, i will work with. >> okay. thank you. good luck. i'm counting on you. >> i know, i'll try to make you proud. >> thank you for being here. very appreciated. thank you for your service, thanks for spending the time with us and delving into important issues. mr. chairman, helping out the clock needs to be reset or i'll go on forever. anyway, just thank you for everything you've done and for being here. a lot of important issues we are discussing and there's no more important issue than syria and i know you touched on but when we look at world stability, when we look at the war on terror, when we look at american safety i think it's important that americans understand that what goes on in syria affects us
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here. the building of a sod backed up by the iranians, backed up by the russians that are bombing hospitals with gps or precision guided munitions, secondary strikes against the same hospitals they are creating a whole new generation of terrorists. in fact, there are some in this body that buy into the strongmen work in the middle east and i think it's important to remember that with the era of information and the era of been able to communicate people simply don't like to be oppressed. some people may think they like it but naturally they desire freedom and in that process of being whether a chemical weapon attack or whether it's a conventional weapon attack, losing your father, mother, child makes you much more likely to join in opposition force which up till recently appeared to have been isis in many cases. i want to thank you and the administration for what i think was an amazing deadline down in the statement about a pending potential chemical weapons attack, as you said earlier, that saved countless lives in there a lot of children that can realize their dream of being a police officer or teacher
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because of that really strong line. it's great to have you there and great have administration that understands this. let me ask about the next generational war on terror. it's a seven and eight -year-old that are in the refugee camps that are either not getting education or are getting education that will be either the folks that frankly in five years, that's because how young they recruit them, we find ourselves fight on the battlefield or else they will be the generation that actually rejects this ideology from within. can you talk about the difficulties in the refugee camps? and the difficulties in syria, generally, and how that plays into the long-term fight on terror that we have on our hands. >> yes, first of all siri i would remind you that our post isis decisions that are made on syria are extremely important to make sure that it's not a new breeding ground for other threats to come in and having
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talks with the syrian refugees, both in the camp and outside the camps, they are completely ready and waiting to go there and build it back up from scratch. they want to go home. they have family members there and it's something that will continue to happen. when it comes to education. what we know is the refugees have come out, those children are getting educated, they are getting assistance, their pain while taking care of and all of those things are fine. there are about 300,000 students in turkey that are not getting educated but the 3 million people are in there trying to accommodate that and that's where i'm trying to get the un to focus on supporting those countries so that we can get those kids educated as well. in syria, i don't think they are getting educated in syria. i'm sure every area is different but it's just -- it's a mess. were trying to get aid in their
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progress will try to get food in there and make sure that they're taking care of. it's not just in syria, and in the area around the world, if you have children who have to do without, whether it's education, whether it's healthcare, any of those things, they are prime targets for terrorist to get them. we have to always remember that as we go forward. that -- yes, we can defeat isis today but those bats will go on forever. and that's why i put so much emphasis on human rights as relates to conflict because those things are what drive terrorists to come in and take advantage. >> i thank you for being a part of that whole government approach. we admired down that when the islamic state is defeated we can all come home and have fun tables and a happy time but the reality is you can defeat and ideology with bombs and bullets but you can only defeat existing terrorists. it is important to think long term because this is a long-term or. i think, specifically, a great country i got to visit was
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liberia and there's a strong un mission there and it's important to note that we talk about the united nations. doing things that our troops don't have to do but you see in that whole generation that was torn apart by civil war and the people that mean and want to do well pc 30 -year-olds that don't know how to read and write with no hope. when that happens in the middle east that is a fertile ground for recruitment. i want to say thank you for your service and thank you for being here and i yield back. >> thank you and chairman and ambassador. this money today. i've think your time for your service during this present tenure has been one of the more moderate voices on what i consider to be some of their more outlandish moves but i think it's also put folks like yourself and secretary tillerson in a box sometimes and so, i want to ask you a question that i've been asked many times by
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the foreign ministers ambassadors and members of parliament that i met with since president trump took office which is cool, reliably speaks, for the president and the foreign-policy space? >> we work very much as a team and the team works strongly. we have in our meetings, i have a great relationship and we talk through things with tillerson, matus, mcmaster, kelly, everybody there -- that group is the main group and general dunford, those are the main people, pompeo is another important point. we go through all aspects of everything when it comes to dealing with that. >> there is a process in place. >> in a very organized process in place. general mcmaster has done a fantastic job in all of our voices are heard. all of us get to help push the
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dishes in. >> does the president take your advice? >> i feel that generally master has to do that and he's turned out to be a good listener in terms of the fact that he wants to learn and he appreciates different viewpoints and then he makes his decision. >> i guess the most glaring example of problematic example that i've seen was when prime minister from israel came for a joint press conference and the idea of the one state solution rather than a two state solution was broached, i believe, secretary tillerson was on a plane somewhere and was not present in the next day you had to come back and basically say no, our approach is still a two state solution and the president later said well, it's whatever the parties want to do. you can imagine, around the world, that people start wondering who is speaking for the president. >> in fairness to everybody involved with that, the
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president has very much felt like we don't need to push what the solution is between israel and the palestinians that we need to have them come to the table and make those decisions. his point was if they come up with a one state or if they come up that to say, whatever they come up with we will support and the way it got out, i agree with you the communication was weird, but that was his intention. we knew very much that he wasn't giving up on a two state solution. he was just saying whatever they come up with we will support and if that's the one state solution will support that to. >> and more recent example, the example of cutter where the president was essentially praising the blockade and at the same time, because we have a base there another interest, we seem to be other parts of our foreign policy apparatus seem to be coming to the defense of carter. again there seems to be two heads and what happened on that
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issue. >> is accommodated issue and like i said, i've given my opinion i think there's an opportunity to hit both sides and try to get more of what we want. cutter has been funding and we know we've done a lot with hamas is for dealing with gaza and some other areas and i think the president really does want to push out ices, put out terrorism and his own point of going to that first visit was to say we've got to get rid of these threats that we have. when this came out with cutter his focus was on the funding they were doing for terrorist and i think yes, we have an air base there and yes there's some ties but he sees the priority as cutting is getting rid of isis and terrorism is at the top. >> finally, i only have 50 seconds left. i'm on the western with your subcommittee and venezuela is a big issue. i know you to the question but what is your outlook for venezuela and the region. >> it's worse than what was seen on tv.
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it's in a very bad place. what i had said before was we did an emergency session in the security council and they weren't happy with that and they felt like it needed to go to the human rights council but we still had it. we went to the human rights council and the reason they had not brought it up which they need to is because venezuela sits on the human rights council and we blasted them on that and we were banking on oas doing something and that didn't happen. this needs to be on a raider and leaning toward military force and weapons and i think this is something that will only get worse before it gets better. we need to make sure that were watching this carefully and do something about it. >> thank you for your service. >> thank you mr. chairman and thank you ambassador for your service to our country and for being here today. un security council resolution 2334 was an anti- israel, anti- jewish resolution seeking to ethnically cleanse judeo and samaria and east jerusalem and
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is it an accurate summary of your observation since taking over as ambassador that some of the nations that voted for this resolution were resentful, some were apologetic and it appears to have been us-led in us push pushed. >> i talked to all of the security council members and told them how offended and what a kick in the gut it was for americans. what i got was some belt are posted by the us. others thought it was the right thing to do is make the hard part about talking about 2334 is they tell me that it's the us that wanted it so it's hard for me, at this point, i'm just saying there's a new administration and this is not where we want to go. now, they don't talk to me about it because they know it's a sore subject with us. >> your testimony is confirmation that the us was
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engaging in dangerous, ugly, backstabbing of our nation ally in israel. we have abstained when ben rhodes and others were on a conference call in the white house records quoting verbatim when asked why we abstained then he said that tax white house quote we abstained as samantha explained for a number of reasons. first, the united nations we continue to believe is a flawed venue for this issue in that it has frequently been used to single out israel. not only was that effort us-led and us pushed but then publicly we were abstaining. we were abstaining to the reason
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that i just quoted from ben rhodes. i really update your testimony to help clear the record and history on that. >> if i could add, i respect samantha power and have and appreciate your service very much but that was one of our lowest point in our country. the international community, when they saw that we went against an ally, it set off a terrible tone in terms of where we'll go and just to let you know how bad it was, when she abstained the entire security council in the audience got up and applauded and israel was sitting there with their wife watching that. think about what we just did to a friend, what happens. you don't ever applaud in the security council. it never happens. it happened that day. >> i think it's clear from anyone in israel would be listening to your testimony here today that you have the back of
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american allies and you understand that we should be strengthening our relationships with our friends treating our adversaries as adversaries and i'm very happy that you are there. i do want to ask about the taylor for zach which has now grown bipartisan support in congress which would withhold aid to the palestinian authority until it stops inciting violence and financially rewarding terrorists. the policy otherwise known as pay to play. have you taken any position or can you share with regards what your opinion is on the taylor force act? >> i'm very vocal about the fact that the us gives bilateral money to the palestinian authority and we need to have a strong conversation with them and how these payments have to stop. it's one of those things by giving money that we are supporting it and we have to make that correlation with them and let them know that that's
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not something will accept or do going forward. >> i think it's great that you met with the family, taylor force, as an israeli, american, graduated from the united states military academy and i put it your leadership. my time i will yield to the gentleman of south carolina, mr. wilson. >> ambassador, were proud to have you and a fellow resident of lexington county as a south carolinian were proud of your efforts to reverse this as he pointed out the anti- israel policies. what a breath of fresh air. i also want to thank you two as i met with you in new york last week, thank you your first speech was to condemn russian aggression in ukraine, 10000 people dead and russian aggression in the republican of georgia. part of your service and i'm in a debate right now so i have to run back but thank you and god bless you. >> thank you for being my congressman. >> brendan boyle of pennsylvania. >> thank you, mr. chairman.
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i wanted to raise an issue that has not been brought up for the two and half hours of this hearing. yesterday we saw all around the world that one of the worst cyber attacks ever to strike, banks, utilities and other important info structure and companies, especially in ukraine. ukraine, again, suffered the extent of that attacked worse than any country including, by the way, the virus down systems of the site of chernobyl posting site is to monitor radiation levels manually. i have introduced along with my colleague on the other side of the aisle, congressman fitzpatrick also from pennsylvania, we've introduced hr 1997, the ukraine cyber security cooperation asked. in order for the united states to help our allies in an area in which there is clearly
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vulnerable and that vulnerability has been exploit exploited. do you think of such an act would be helpful and do you believe that your role at the un would be aided if the united states congress would provide leadership in helping an ally like ukraine when it comes to cyber security? >> cyber attacks are the new ammunition that will continue to see around the world. it continues to be worse and worse, as every country continues to see how they can make it better. i can tell you that the un now is trying to become the cyber activity police and we don't want that don't want china and russia deciding how the us would handle cyber attacks or dictate how we handle those things going forward. we are fighting that but yes, it would be helpful if the us goes and does these things and would keep the un from doing it and would allow for us to continue to help.
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ukraine, i can't say enough about what a great ally they have been on the security council. they have been with us on everything. >> this is actually a good segue to the broader issue of our support for ukraine. your comment that you gave just now and others inspire a lot more confidence than the comments of our president and secretary of state when it comes to standing up and supporting our ally, ukraine, turning back russian aggression and occupation, legal occupation of crania, and what they're continuing to do to this day in eastern ukraine which also gets ignored in the media. i wanted to ask you about that, though, because obviously, the president and secretary of state and a pastor to you and we had, frankly, three different messages. at least, two different messages. do we, the united, still stand in support and standby the agreement that was reached in minsk? >> yes, we do. >> you realize that is contrary to the secretary of state has
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recently said that there would be that we would allow a certain amount of backsliding or renegotiation of it agreeable to both parties. how do you reconcile that smart. >> we continue to push the mince agreement and we just renewed sanctions last week on russia's role in crimea and were not listing those and will continue to stay strong on that and at the security counsel, that's what i'm pushing and that's what i'm doing. >> you would agree that we shouldn't offer sentient relief before russia would finally live up to its obligation in minsk. >> absolutely. >> that's great. have you had this conversation with secretary of state and even with the president himself? >> the president and i have a conversation about ukraine and russia and he wants to see how we can reconcile if there's any way to how much this is a security council, not only do they meet with members of congress but they met with general mcmaster and with the
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president and others and it ukraine and russia both sit on the security council. so, they also had conversations with him. i remind you that my position as a cabinet position so when i say something or do something, yes, those are my views and those are my thoughts and that's what i share with general mcmaster and with the present. so, they're very aware of my thoughts on this and have not disagreed with me on that. >> i want to point out one of my colleagues references earlier and i can't tell you the number of times because of being on this committee now for several years, have relationships with diplomats from other countries, including parliamentarians and other countries the number of people have asked me, who speaks for this administration because the secretary of state will say one thing, president contradicts it within the hour, you give comments at the un that are frankly more reflected of truman through obama foreign-policy and
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that continues to be a challenge and ends up making the us look, frankly, incoherent in its foreign policy and makes your job more difficult. >> we work very well together and we work closely together. while we don't just say the exact word for word talking points, we are all moving in the same direction. >> the investor has to depart at 1:00 p.m. so i'll ask members to be something to. >> a couple things, i want to thank you for your support for israel and recover that a lot. for focusing in on ukraine with my colleague alluded to.
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patent legislation is outstanding and it's critically important if you could give me a minute to review that and it would be as helpful. from a philosophical standpoint because of the budgetary process makes some tough decisions between military spending, diplomatic spending, from a philosophical standpoint some people believe that us intervention is only appropriate when our national security interests are imminently attacked and other people take the view that when there's atrocities occurring around the world that the us cannot ethically or morally turn a blind eye to that. your philosophy on when intervention is appropriate from all components, if you could comment on it. >> i think that the us should always have a strong voice. you always have to pick a side. when it comes on any issue, i think, extensions are nothing
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and i believe in and you have to pick a side, one way or the other and you have to tell what we are for. you have to tell what the us is against. that doesn't mean that you're cutting countries off and it means on every issue will have a different thought and we had to communicate that and make a note. we are the moral compass around the world. we have been. it doesn't mean were perfect but that's we try and do. us values for us to continue to own those and express those it's an important part of who we are. i also think that we are a leader and we are leader that many other countries look to to see what we're going to do and they make their decisions on that. we need to always look at what our role is going to be and we need to decide place by place as opposed to just a blanket policy because all of these complex that we are seeing now are completely different and i think taking a custom approach to all of the complex and how we think we can be the strongest and most supportive to bring a political solution is important.
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>> i yield back. >> we like to get to the junior members, if could. we'll go to dena titus. >> thank you mr. chairman. thank you ambassador. he said early on several times that we can count on you to be a thorn in the side of russia for a thorn in the side of somewhere but that's like saying you're going to be a burr under the saddle or a p under the process and it sounds like more of an irritant than we are a leader and that's what worries some of us on this committee about what's happening to the image of the country. also, i'd like to go back to what was mentioned earlier was the poll that showed our image declining in our international internationally. since the inauguration of president trump, according to citizens of 27 countries from around the world, we have just gone downhill.
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do you think the president is doing a good job but the rest of the world doesn't think so. 64% have confidence in the us president at the end of the obama administration and that number has fallen to 22%. at the end of the obama administration, 64% had a favorable view of the united states and now it is 49%. i represent las vegas and, you know, that's an international city and we welcome visitors from 8 million foreign visitors from all around the globe every year. we have seen a real decrease in the interest in coming to the united states by foreign visitors. according to the us global travel association there will be a $1.3 billion loss in the 17 that's a 4200 jobs in communities like las vegas and charleston. all the signs so that if we don't work to correct this it
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will have a major impact on a big part of our economy. in fact, a recent survey showed that 45% of european business travelers said they would plan future meetings somewhere else because it's too difficult to come and travel to the united states. as you said, when you were governor, we want to continue to sell to the rest of the country in the world how great a place south carolina is to visit. you also said that when you were trumpeting the state economic tourism basis that what it tells everybody across the world is that if you haven't been here, get here quickly, and if you have, get back. that's what we like to say in las vegas, too. i wonder if you really believe that the trump administration has been a good salesperson for international tourism if you're concerned about this image decline in statistics. as a representative to the united nations can't, what are
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you doing for that image and put the welcome mat out instead of saying, no, we don't want you to come. >> in reference to being a thorn in the side, being a thorn in the side means that i call out something when i think it is wrong. i think that's part of what the us does and i think that it's also praising when things are right, it's criticizing when things are wrong and acting accordingly. i stand by my comments on that. i will tell you in reference to your poll, i have not seen it, but where that 27 countries it's 192 and the overwhelming feeling is that we are unpredictable. they don't know what we'll do but it has kept them more on alert in terms of wanting to be there with us and not wanting to get on the wrong side of us so i haven't felt that. my goal is to have a relationship with everyone and to make sure that i show the us wants to get political solutions to all things and work with
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countries to do that. i always try to do that is the ford. in terms of the economy, you brought up south carolina, i'm proud of that and we have multiple international businesses continuing to come in. our economy is through the roof and we had record years in tourism and were not seen a decline in international touri tourism, trade, any of those things and so, i do think, the president has set a tone. every president set the tone and we always have side to agree with the tone or don't agree with the tone. my job is to make sure that i'm on the side of the us. >> you don't think unpredictability is dangerous? at least, to instability and problem with international diplomacy. >> i've felt that it made my negotiations better in my job. they don't assume and don't take us for granted anymore.
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they no longer look at us as one that they can just push over and know exactly what we'll do. for me, it's been helpful. >> thank you, i yield back. >> i want to think the chair for looking out for the junior members. we represent roughly the same number of the senior members and i am grateful. i will ask a series of questions that are really simple and is seeking a relatively short answer. do you think they are the theories on things like russian meddling in the outcome of our election that are propagated by some members of his body as well as the media, basis of which cnn execs really called bs but when the stories anyway, might contribute to diminished opinions of the united states around the world? >> no one at the united nations is talking about this issue. >> man, with all due respect,. >> yes, it does. >> do you think rhetoric that says because he had disagreements over things like healthcare policy, that the president want to kill children will diminish feelings?
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that is far from the truth. >> do you think the rhetoric it would diminish -- >> force. >> i think my job is to sit there and ignore what is happening in dc because i found the rhetoric has been over the top. >> is in its benchmark i won't ask the follow-up question because i respect for you are coming from and apache the job you are doing. the fact that you've done it in a manner that you personally has received bipartisan praise for in this meeting but i think we reap what we sow as it relates to how people relate and the reckless hurling of invective not undergirded by fax but to perpetuate those who don't like us not liking us. moving on to something more pressing. the un resolution 2231 essentially endorsed the jcp away which i repeatedly went on
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record calling it the jcp os. i will tell you that the 2231 field was un security council resolution 1929 and you're probably familiar with this. i am not confident to the prior administration had negotiated with jcp away but are you aware that un security council and 231 stated quote iran shall not undertake any activity with ballistic missiles and then it was replaced with untrained by a un resolution commending the jcp away that red iran is called upon not to undertake any related activity ballistic missiles and then they gave a little bit more latitude designed to carry nuclear payload. are you aware of this back. >> it is one of the most dangerous things that happened when they we passed the jcp zero eight. basically we deferred what will happen and you gave them a bunch of money to do it.
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now you see that they don't follow the rules with the testing. >> i valley rate -- who wrote that, it's a rhetorical question for our nation with the security of our allies in mind and how incompetent or nefarious are they. >> it's disconcerting. >> my question becomes is there a way, i have no clue to the answer, to repeal plate 231 and i yield back to the united nations resolution which is more effective in deterring iranian aggression to what the united states led a multi- nation coalition of. is there any way to go back? >> russia would -- >> that leaves beautifully into my next question. there's been russian aggression and output are some of these
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names but the georgian regions, russian aggression in east ukraine and crimea, there's been russian and china veto of human actions regarding the crisis in syria -- how? we spoke yesterday with the secretary-general and he said while there so many things we can do because security council members would veto them. how do we make this organization with such lofty ideals and affective player on the world stage, in part tangentially related, how do we repair the message that was sent that we will not be loyal to our allies by virtue of how we conduct ourselves today at the un. thank you. >> my number one goal is to make security council action and make it mean something. i think the fact that we are not the resolutions against israel shows that part is working and i
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think russia does stop a lot of things in lately russia stopped anything the us is for and that's a long line of reasoning. china can do the same thing. we made huge strides in peacekeeping reforms and what we'll do our management reforms and the fact that we just saved half a billion dollars on the peacekeeping budget was a huge win and will continue to do that but the one thing i will tell you is that we are going to continue to talk about 2334 as something that the us does not support, does not endorse and if given the opportunity, that will never happen again. >> thank you, mr. chairman and welcome, and vassar haley. i know the time has been long and i apologize that we have not given you a short break. regarding syria we can ever take syria back to what it was. i agree with you. through this horrific conflict,
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last december, the general assembly created the impartial and independent mechanism to collect and analyze evidence about the atrocities in syria. i want to know what specific steps have the united states taken to advance this mechanism? >> interestingly enough the security council supported the mechanism unanimously. they decided what it would do, how would happen, and what things take place. since that has happened, and since we've had the syrian atrocities with chemical weapons and everything else, russia now said it's not a fair mechanism, even though they were the ones that helped put together. we continue to support and we will continue to push but russia continues to undermine it and say that it's not something that is effective. >> speaking about russia, on april 207th you stated that russia continues to cover for the syria regime.
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russia continues to allow them to keep humanitarian aid from the people of that need it. russia continues to cover for a leader who uses chemical weapons against his own people, russia continues to veto and assad continues to do these things because they know russia will continue to cover for them. you still stand by that statement? >> general mattis has implied that things are starting to move and i hope that is the case but that's been the case in the past. i would love to see all of that change. >> do you still stand by that statement? smack yes. >> okay, great. although russia and china have not sent over a jet fighter plane although some marines are nearing our coast there are other things that they had done both that have impacted our economy greatly one of them is
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happening now. with the port of los angeles is the last victim of this global cyber attack. i understand that we are still under investigation and we don't know exactly where that is but i find it hard to believe and i'd like to get clarification on from you on your statements when you said regarding mr. boyles question that you do not want china or russia to dictate how we approach these attacks and i get somewhat where you are trying to get at but i'm also concerned that there isn't a conversation within 192 countries that you deal with about russian influence in our election and about their influence in the european elections and most recently in germany's elections. how can that be? how can we not see cyber attacks
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are influence in our election as a threat to our democracy and as a threat to our economic standing? >> it is a threat. i talked to my counterparts is worsening them intervene in multiple elections, i talked to the ambassadors about this and everyone sees it as a problem and i do think it's something that will come up. i do think it's something that will service because it's affecting so many other countries in the process. what we don't want is for the un to regulate cyber situations because they would put china and they would put russia on it because there to be five members. we don't want to do that because, as a done in so many other cases, they take care of themselves and they hurt everyone else. >> i have one minute left and i'll move on to easier question. i understand that the residents of the us ambassador to the united nations had moved from the waldorf-astoria to a different high-rise building
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close to the united nations. in 2015, in chinese company purchased the waldorf-astoria for 1.95 billion in the us president there was under review since we had strong concerns about the security impatience of chinese ownership. china hackers have been accused of perpetrating the massive breach of personnel records that compromised the data of millions of our own federal employees. i'm happy that the resident of new york has moved so that we can ensure the security of our personnel in your security. i would also like to get further clarity regarding the future from you since the trump tower is only a mile away. i want to make ensure that you're not talking about moving and sending taxpayer dollars at the trump tower. >> no, i am not. i did not pick this location.
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we did move because china bought it and for the reasons that you stated, i did not pick this location but i will stay wherever -- i will stay in this location until it's time for me to leave. no, i'm not moving to the trump tower. >> i go back smack mark meadows from north carolina. >> thank you so much. thank you for entering almost three hours of questioning in such an eloquent way. i think representing north carolina that i get to share the same television market with you when you were governor and i must confess that i am so unbelievably impressed with your grasp of foreign policy coming from a governor to your particular position now being someone who loves foreign-policy there are nuances that we could trip you up each and every time with the question yet you have been able to masterfully answer those from either side of the aisle. so, thank you. let me drill down a little further because, as you know,
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whether south carolina or north carolina, there is a huge push back for spending american taxpayer dollars on something and then having our members states vote against the united states over and over and over again. so, it's been one of those areas where i had a wonderful meeting with the un secretary general yesterday who, by the way, will do in high regards. i was very impressed with him. in his desire to reform the un because many times member states have, i guess, a push back when it comes to reform because that may mean that monies don't float necessarily as easily to their host country. would you be willing to work with members of congress on the voting records of member states to help us identify when they
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vote with us and when they do not vote with us so that we can have an accurate account -- and perhaps tight closer to foreign aid? >> i absolutely would be willing to work with you. i would say that we need to use leverage. i gave the example earlier, for example, we give money to the palestinian authorities and we should tell them that we can't continue to give money if they continue to have martyr payments. >> that doesn't mean just changing it from the pla to the plo, they stopped in one admitted to the other. >> i don't think that we should do it by percentages i think we should be do it leverage on policy issues that we can change. >> all right. we have worked up a new report with the congressional research service in terms of dollars given and how they vote with us and i was amazed to see that billions of dollars are going to many of these different countries and yet when it comes
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to israel they vote with us 4% of the time. can you take a message to many of your ambassador friends in new york and tell them that dog will not hunt. >> i would love that list. >> the time has come, there's a new sheriff in town and we are going to look at it very very closely. will you take that message? >> i will take that message and i have told them that they can take our us funding for granted any longer and i would love that list. >> we will get that to you. blessing i would say is would you consider israel's human rights record to be better than that of iran? >> yes. >> why does make it is perplexing that you showed that there were 70 resolutions against israel and only seven against iran. can you fathom any logical reason why the un would do that? >> because they always have. >> can you take another message
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to them that that dog won't hunt either. >> that's right. >> thank you ambassador haley and for my last minute to yield to the gentleman from new jersey mr. smithson can follow up. >> i'm going to suggest that the members our goal was to reach all of the junior members but gentleman from new jersey. >> things that set need to be corrected. i like to get some record. i like to think the ministration for faithfully and very effectively in preventing long-standing us laws, initiated under ronald reagan which requires the shuttle from us funds to any organization and not just the un fda but any organization that supports a course of population control program. since 1979 china has required women to get permission to have a child.
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you don't have a child unless you get permission, forced abortion is commonplace is pervasive as is for sterilization and, as you pointed out madame ambassador, every dollar that doesn't go to the un sta will go to some other entity that will do the same type of work. family planning, maternal and child health and i think this is a very important and i could go on but i'm out of time. >> thank you. >> the committee made a commitment to pastor haley to end at 1:00 p.m. i guess that you respond to additional questions in writing. we go now to mr. bradley schneider of illinois. >> thank you, mr. chairman and thank you ambassador for being here. i want to personally thank you that your staff has met with us on issues such as sexual violence and exploitation and i look forward to work together. i apologize if i get a tap on my shoulder, we have a vote and another committee on refugees and i will stop. we talked about refugees and we talked about human rights and as
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mr. smith touched on, what's happening in china. i want to bring you back to. [inaudible] in your opening remarks you said that there's an issue of culture versus incitement. i would argue that culture is something that comes through education and that education is happening in the territories is incitement and have a prospect for peace, we have a prospect for two states living side by side in security and peace, the jewish state of israel and the palestinian state, the culture will have to accept that. that will come from the education. in other questions you have addressed the issue of education and the importance to educate young people in the territories which i cannot agree with you more but my question is as you look at. [inaudible] , it's been in place for 70 years and it has issues of harboring terrorists, working with terrorists, you can go on and on. is there the opportunity to take
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the beneficial servicers as you said there are good that comes from. [inaudible] and find perhaps other agencies whether it's the high commission of refugees or the pa itself and get to a point where after 70 years this special unique situation with can be streamlined into the operations of palestinian authority toward peace. >> i agree with everything you said. >> i have to go vote but i'll leave you to answer. >> yes, we have made that person must support that push. >> well, i want to thank ambassador haley for your testimony here today. it is 1:00 o'clock and you have a lot of work to do with the reform agenda at the un and many have tried it before you and they haven't found a lot of success so we wish you well.
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we will be back in you and we can see from your attitude that you intend to succeed in this. while it is frustrating, it is needed work because several un agencies do important work and i mentioned the value of peacekeeping and the need to make it better and our security should never be delegated to the united nations. i know you won't do that but our security can also be improved when the us rallies the world including at the un. so, if i were to think of an example that comes to mind immediately it would be the north korean resolution passed through the security counsel as an example. of course, we need better enforcement and we thank you for your commitment to that enforcement rate ambassador haley, we look forward to following up on several of the issues that were raised today and myself and the ranking member will see you in new york and we all look forward to seeing you again in the committee and we stand adjourned. >> thank you very much
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