tv Senior Officials Testify on Homeland Security Threats CSPAN September 29, 2017 1:47pm-4:00pm EDT
>> now fbi director christopher ray, acting homeland security secretary elaine duke, and national counterterrorism center director niclas rasmussen provide an update on the threats facing the united states. they appeared before the senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee and addressed several issues including the federal government's response in puerto rico after hurricane maria. the number of ongoing domestic terror investigations involving whites premise groups, and capabilities to counter cyber threats including anticipated attempts by russia and other state actors to influence the 2018 midterm election. this is two hours and ten minutes.
[inaudible conversation] >> morning. this hearing of the senate communit committee is called to order. i this is our annual threats to the homeland committee. i want to welcome eyewitnesses and acknowledge the victims of the hurricane and houston texas, florida, throughout the caribbean and puerto rico. i'm sure we will be discussing that quite a bit. maybe it wasn't contemplated when we first set up and schedule this hearing on the other enormous threats, but there are real threats to human life occurring now throughout our nation and we will certainly knowledge that all those individuals are in our thoughts and prayers. i'm sure everyone on this committee joins me on that. we are pleased to welcome the acting sector of homeland
security, diane duke, christopher ray the director of fbi, the national counterterrorism center director niclas rasmussen. we want to thank you all for your service. these are perilous times. the threats that face us are growing and metastasizing. i do not envy any of your task. these are serious and were grateful you stepped up to the plate and we have quality individuals with real talent that are accepting that response building. the mission statement of this committee is pre-simple. to enhance the economic security of america and more efficient effective accountable government. very similar, i would imagine, to some of the mission statements of your own departments and agencies. i want to spend a lot of time because we've got a number ofot members here, but again, i
want to acknowledge yource service to this nation, sacrifice you and yource families are undertaking toou service meet nation. i turn it over to senator mccaskill. >> thank you very much mr. chairman. directors ray and rasmussen, thank you for being here. secretary duke, i welcome you to the committee for the first y time and to the department acting secretary. i will let you know i appreciate the effort that you and fema are making to assist the victims of hurricane in texas. i will have to say, we are very concerned about what we are seeing in puerto rico. i know there have been logistical challenges because of the devastation import rico , but i am looking forward to the briefing that we will receive today from fema about what is actually occurring on the ground, and those americans are very deserving of whatever it takes for us to
address the crisis, the humanitarian crisis that is impacting 3.5 american citizens in puerto rico as we speak today. the hearing today is about threats to the homeland, heartbreakingly, just last month, we suffered a terrorist attack your home.olence the violence perpetrated by whites premises and neo-nazis at the charlottesville rally was tragic, vile and evil.zi it stunned many of us. without the chance of blood and blood not a 21st century american college. the boldness in the outspokenness of something that is so evil, proudly marching under a nazi flag is something i think many of us t didn't think we would see in this country, but now we have seen it. i drank attention to a document that is on the easel.r i don't think many americans
understand the level of threat that we have in this country from white supremacist, antigovernment and other violent extremists.. if you look at the comparison, and this data comes from the gao, this is from a think tank or anybody who has bias, this is from the government auditors that we've had 62 instances since 911 and 106 fatalities by the white supremacist antigovernment and other violent extremists. compare that to 23 acts of violence by islamic violent extremists. the fatalities are almost equal. one of my goals of this hearing is to give specific responses as to whether the level of response matches the level of threat as it relatess to these two types of terrorists that want to do harm to american citizens.
i'm worried, this committee is a good example. we've had multiple hearings on the threat of isis, as it relates to homeland security. we have zero hearings about the threat of domestic o terrorists and the threat they pose in our country and our response to it. we also face the threats from foreign terrorist organizations like isis and those inspired by them. we only need to look overseas over the past four months to see what our allies have suffered. the suicide bomber into manchester england in june, the pedestrians in the london bridge and now in barcelona spain. just this month, a bucket bomb on a london subway. we know these organizations are just targeting europe. we know they are also, in addition to domestic terrorists, they are also foreign terrorists who want to kill americans and want to radicalize americans here at home to do so. that's why we depend on you, the men and women of the dhs,
the fbi and the and t to keep america safe.. that's why i'm so concerned byso some of the budget choices made by the said ministration. for instance. soft targets and transportation areas where large groups of people gather has served as prime targets. in addition to aviation security, they secure freight rail, highway, bus lines and seaports. according to the tsa more than 10 billion passenger trips are taken on mass transit systems each year yet the budget plans to cut tsa programs at a time we cannot afford to let up when it comes to security measures. a large portion of this cut is taken from the viper team. the viper team are deployed all across the country to provide critical assistance to securing airport securities and bus terminals. by the way, they also deployed to houston to assist with recovery.
the budget would cut them by 43 million, reducing viper teams from 31 down to 18 to cover the entire country. the president's budget wouldju also/other dhs programs that provide critical security to our transportation system. in july, dhs announced 29 awards to the complex terrorist attack grant program including one that wouldth prepare kansas city and enhanced munication systems and another that would allow st. louis to build an integrative response structure among first responders. this is a type of subsistence we should be providing our cities in the face of threats like london, barcelona and manchester. the budget will eliminate all of these programs for next year. there unfortunately isn't enough time to discuss in seven minutes or even a single hearing all the threats our country faces but we face cyber iran somewhere, russia trying to hack our election. this month dhs ordered agencies to remove cyber security software from federal computer systems because of its manufacturers tied to russian intelligence.m
we have border security issues. we even have potential threats to agriculture. just last month i had a roundtable in kansas city to learn what i could do to the nations food supply. i'm glad you are all here to talk about what the greatest threats are that america faces, what we are doing about them, and most importantly what we can do to help you in your most important work. thank you very much. >> thank you. i would ask and send them a written opening statement be included in the record. it is tradition to swearing witnesses so if you would allio stand and raise your hand. do you swear the testimony you will get will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god. please be seated. our first witnesses the honorable elaine duke. she is the acting secretary of the department of homeland security. she became the acting secretary on july 31.
she has served as deputy secretary since april.l. her previous decades of federal service include two years of the department's undersecretary for management. welcome. >> thank you.rse good morning.nt's u it is my honor to testify on behalf of the men and women of dhs who shield our nation from threats of terror each and every single day. last night, we learned of a cbp agent that was shot and is critically ill in jacksonville florida and each week i send out condolences letters for officers and on behalf of them, i testified today and came back to service. in recent weeks, hurricane harvey, irma, josé and maria have placed the spotlight on natural disaster with fema's leadership, our department and the whole federal government have come together to respond to these bases, and i am impressed with the professionalism i have satnessed.
the challenges in place but are evident that there is a long road ahead. to those that have been caught up in the disasters, let me say this. i promise to do everything in my power to bring relief and we will stand with you,ar side-by-side in the weeks, months and years to come. natural disasters are not the only threat we face as a nation. right now, the tear threat to our country equals, and inny many ways exceeds that in the period around 911. we are seeing a surgeon terrorist activity because the fundamentals of terrorism have changed our enemies areamentals crowdsourcing, their violence is online, promoting a do-it-yourself approach that involves using any weapon they can get their hands on easily. the primary international terror threat facing our country is from global jihad groups, however the department is also focused on the threat of domestic terrorism. ideologically motivated extremists here in the united
states are threat to our nation, our people, and our values. i condemn this hate and violence and my department is focused on countering it. dhs will not stand on the sideline as these threats spread, and we will not allow pervasive terrorism to become the new normal. we are tackling the dangers ahead in two ways. first, we are rethinking homeland security for a new age. there is no longer a home game and an away game. that is why dhs is moving toward a more integrated approach, bringing together intelligence, operations, interagency engagement and international action like never before. second, we are raising the baseline of our security baseure across the board. we are looking at everything from travelers screening to information sharing.
threat levels mean we need higher standards. for example, we are requiring all foreign governments to share critical data with us on terrorists and criminals, and to help us confidently identify their nationals.fi we must know who is coming into our country and make sure they do not pose a threat. that is why i recommended in the president approved tough but tailored restrictions against countries who do not cooperate with us on immigration screening and vetting. this will protect america and hold foreign governments accountable. similarly, we are raising elevation, elevating aviation security standards. our ongoing global security plan which began the summer is making u.s. bound flights more secure and it is raising theis baseline of aviation security worldwide. we're also making historic moves to keep dangerous individuals and goods from entering america illegally,to including building a wall on the southwest border and
cracking down on transnational criminal organizations that bring drugs, violence andinal other threats across our borders.ders we within our borders we are re- dedicating ourselves toto terrorism prevention, to keep extremists from radicalizing our people. as part of this effort, we are prioritizing education and community awareness.phasizinpo : the spike in cyber attacks. our adversaries continue to develop advanced capabilities online. they seek to undermine our critical infrastructure, target our livelihood and our secrets and threaten our democracy. on behalf of the entire department, i appreciate the critical role this committee plays in helping us execute our mission.
i also respectfully ask the committee to focus on reauthorizing the department as quickly as possible. thank you for letting me appear >> now next witness is christopher wray, the director of the fbi bury of oinvestigationes 'on august 2, 2017 he was worn in as the eight in fbi director, was previously assistant attorney general att the department of justice in charge of the criminal division. director wray. >> members of in the committee for the opportunity to talk to you today about the threats here in the homeland and the tremendous work being done by the people at the fbi to confront those challenges. from my earlier years in law enforcement and national security, already knew how outstanding the men and women of the bureau are, but to see it, must say, over the last few weeks from this position, makes
me feel even more honored, if that's possible to be their director. they're are police focused. they are passionate. they're determined to be the very best at protecting the american people and upholding the rule of law.nate, having beenway from government for a number of years, some of the changes i've now seen the first few weeks upon getting back have struck me in particular. the evolution of the threats, the expertise developed, and the capabilities that have been built. changes in technology haveexpers dramatically transformed the nature of the threat wes facet and challenged our ability to confront those threats. in the terrorism arena, my prior experience was primary primarily withlarge structured terrorist organizations like al qaeda, and to be clear we still very much confront threats from large structural organizations like al qaeda, planning large-scale, sophisticated attacks over long periods of time. now, added to that list we face
groups like isil, who use social media to recruit and spread their propaganda and to inspire people to take to the streets we crude but effective weapons like hatchets and car bombs. smaller in scale but greater in volume and these organizations often move from plotting to action in a very, very short period of time, with very little planning and using low-tech and wildly available attack methods.ai the terrorists use social media and encryption technology has made it harder to find the messages of hate and destruction their spreading and harder to pinpoint who the messages are gaining traction with here in the homeland.th the same can be said of domestic extremist movements that collectively pose a steady threat of violence and economic harm to the u.s. in that instance primarily through lone
eye offender. in the cyber arena they're becoming increasingly difficult to investigationment cyber criminals have increased thet sophistication of the schemes. what was once a comparatively mineyear threat, somebody hacking for and unin and trying to prove a point, he could do it, is now nation-state manipulation and a multimillion dollar business. in the counterintelligence arena, foreign governments posee a rising threat to the u.s. and that threat also is more complee and more varied than it has been at any time in the fbi's history. counterintelligence focused on protecting u.s. government secrets from foreign intelligence services, but today in addition we face threats from nation states targeting not jusr national security secrets
buddieds and innovation, and we now see threats not just from traditional intelligence officers but from lessva traditional spies posing as business people or students or scientist is. all those threats are amplified by the growing challenge that we in the law enforcement community refer to as going dark. affects the spectrum of or work, the exploitation of encrypted platforms presents seriousts challenges to law enforcement's ability to identify, investigate, and disrupt threats, and dish want to add to that obviously we all understand that whether it's instant message, text, letters, citizens have the right to communicate with each other without unauthorized government sufferance and free flow of information is critical to dem place but they have been accompanied by any dawn jerriese and we have been forced to wrestle how terrorist might use
technology to their advantage. even with unquestionable lawful authority the wallet is we're all too often flying blind and need to work together to find thoughtful but quick and effective solutions. the news is not all bad. there are great strides being made. intelligence is being far betteo integrated into our mission. the quality of partnerships,on across agencies, state and local, foreign, are at a wholele new level. while great progress is made be need to keep improving. the changes in technology arele one of the primary concerns we have, and i look forward to answering the committee's questions. >> thank you, director. the final witness is mr. nicholas russ mass send, the director of the national counterterrorism center, on, december 18, 2014, he was sworn in as the fifth director of the nctc. he previously served as the nctc's deputy director since june of 2012. director rasmussen. >> good morning, mr. chairman,
ranking member mccaskill and members of the commitee. i'm pleased to be here with me colleagues and close partners. secretary duke and director wray. we spaed the 16 year mark of 9/11, the array or terrorizerring a actors broader, wider and deeper than any time since that day. as we sit here today the discipline that terrorism prevention is a evolving and changing beneath our feet everya day as well and requires we respond with extraordinary agility. i'll just briefly discuss two areas to compliment what my colleagues have said. first, i'll quickly share what we have seen by way of changes or shift and priority in the terrorism landscape since a area ago. second i'll say a few word about areas we can do a better job of trackling those who are mobilized at home. let begin with what is changed or new since this time last year. we see develops in three principle areas. the coalition's success in
shrinking the territory that eye his controls in iraq and syria as compared to a year ago. the significant uptick in attacks inspired by isis we have seen against western interests across the globe in the last year. as compared to the number of attacks directed by the isis group from its headquarters in iraq and syria. the third new threat development i would point to for this year is the resurgence of aviate threats, reaching a level of concern at that time we interest intelligence and communication have not faced since the printer package plot in 2010. to start with isis losses on the battlefield. isis has lost a number of senior leaders, become expelled from key cities in iraq and syria and suffered significant defeats inh the caliphate. isis is reverting to it roots with tactics we saw in 2004 to 2008 when it operate it as an insurgency called al qaeda in
iraq. however, these territorial losses have unfortunately nott translated into a corresponding flux group's ability to inspire attacks. while progress has been made in shrinking the size of the territory isis controls this has not diminish third ability to inspire attacks beyond the conflict zone. the attacks have taken place ini places like united kingdom, other countries in europe, high lighting the diffuse nature off the role in threat. the number of threats -- around the globe, it tells us the isis ability to reef globally is largely intact. this uptick in inspired attacks is in contrast to the pattern of western attacks credibilitied and enabled by the group's headquarters in syria we saw in 2015 and 2016. all of this underscores the belief there's not a direct link between isis' battlefield position in iraq and airand the group's capacity to inspire external attacks, and makes
clear that it's a battlefield losses alone are insufficient to mitt gate the threat we face from isis. winning on the battle field ineo places like raqqa is an insufficient step in the process of eliminate isis threat. we need to be patient in terms of expecting return on investment we're making with our campaign against isis, it's going to take longer than we would like to translate victory on the battlefield into genuine threat reduction. and as focused as we are on addressing isis, al qaeda has never stopped being a primary counterterrorism priority. the verious groups managed to sustain recruitment, maintain relationships, and derive sufficient resources to enable their operations. this is a strikingly resilient organization and we're well aware of that. i'll touch quickly on the third development that has stood out over the last year, the threaton to civil aviation, you'rists see attack if a situation craig was a bay to garner global media
attention and inflict harm. aviation has taken the center q stage as evidenced by the australian authorities disruption of a plot by terrorists to bring explosives on an aircraft. all of these attacks, ones that succeeded in ones that fail, demonstrate several things. first they show the persistent focus of terrorists on targets of western aviation. second, it shows that terrorists are aware of security procedures and watch what we do and try to lampe third it suggests the bad guys have an ability to adapt tactics in an attempt to defeatc the airport security measures. for these reasons that aviation related threats have long been and will remain at or near the top of the list of thing wes worry about. a i'll stop there i have some words to say about terrorism prevention and our efforts toon deal with home-grown extremism here in the united states but rather reserve that for questions. >> thank you all for your testimony.
i appreciate the i attendance by fellow mobiles. we have two round which i'm happy to doomed but we'll limit questions to five minutes and i ask the witnesses as well,me there's a technique of asking a question if with two seconds remaining. respond but respond quickly. we need to keep this going to respect everybody's time. often times in these situations i'll defer questioning, but in light of the events in puerto rico i would like to give secretary duke the opportunity to just kind of describe first of all the challenge, how you -- fema, department of riz ton the challenge in houston, florida, and what we face in puerto rico. >> in puerto rico has some unique challenges. the capacity of the puerto rican government is severely diminished. both because of hurricane irma, their prior existing financial situation, and the devastation by the direct hit of maria.
marie a was one mile show of being a category 5 hurricane 0 so the devastation is complete. we ever standing strong with the governor. we are attacking the areas of the diminished capacity. so, there is food and water on the island, there is gasoline on the island.sh what we are focused on today now that search and rescue is very much complete, is distribution chains. we we asked defense logistics agency to augment the local, national guard and distribution channeled so we can get goodd gasoline out more quickly, that's what we are focused on today. the second thing we're focused on is communications. right now we're primarily dependent on satellite phones which is ineffective but helps with emergencies about not helping people find loved ones. so we are increasing the number of satellite phones and at&t is on the island now. they have agreed they will
restore any tower even if it's not their cell phone tower and are providing services to any person of puerto rico, regardless of their carrier. the electrical grid is more of a challenge. we're doing the assessment. it is completely devastated in terms of point of delivery, and the distribution system and the whole power system from start to finish is virtually gone. so that is going to be a long-term recovery. we're working with the department energy, the private industry, and working on that. so, that is where we are there. the governor still standing strong, we have dod troops supporting the national guard,s national guard providing security and we are in a nullcourt press. we have texas and florida that were predominantly hit by the first two hurricanes. in texas, last week we were able
to sign a housing plan that really is going to bring people back into their communities quickly. it is a type of housing recovery program which has never been done before and we're very proud that texas is with us on that and wants to lead the housing recovery. in florida, electrical great is restored, key west still has challenges. the people on key west has mobile homes destroyed and that's a challenge how to recover that housing situation, restore with new mobile homes or try to provide something morejur resignificant. for those floridans as they recovery. that's the summary. aim happy to answer questions. >> two other questions to kind of clarify. first of all in my memory, i can't remember three major disasters like this just back-to-back. houston, florida, and now puerto rico. can you give us some sense of the number of federal employees,
including fema, that are kind of on station, these three zones and also just talk about the significance of where president trump has done in terms of 100% funding in puerto rico and why that was necessary. >> we have own 10,000 federal employees on site right now. one thing that president trump has done for both irma and maria is -- and harvey, is declare declarations early. that has allowed our response to get ahead of the disaster. that has been hugely helpful. additionally in puerto rico, yesterday he gave 100% cost share, which means a commonwealth of puerto rico does not have to contribute in the first 180 days. that's hugely important in us getting industry there. the electrical industry and others didn't want to go there unless they knew they would get paid ask this allowed us to mobilize industry to move forward and that has been
helpful.l.s additional live i can't -- stop answering the question withoutlp thanking the other cabinet members. the cabinet has come together, the small business administration, hhs, department of energy, va, labor, everybody has come together with assets in support of dhs and fema in and the governors in their response. >> thank you. senator mccaskill. >> it's good to hear that brief. 'll look forward to the detailed brief and i know my colleagues are enter interested in the specifics on the ground in puerto rico. we have sheave known 100% match below the hurricane hit and from the financial status of the island that it would be no-no position to make the match. its unornate we had to wait this long to make the identification of the 100% match. want to talk about what i maybed in my opening statement.ha i don't think most americans realize the number of incidents
by white supremacists, militant, antigovernment organizations are almost triple the number of attacks of those who identify with a jihaddist movement internationally in the country. can you -- director wray, talk about how many -- do you have dedicated agents full-time todo investigating international terrorism versus the type of terrorism that has been responsible for almost as many deaths as the international terrorism, that is the white supremacist, antigovernment militant right in this country. >> senator, first let me say i agree with you -- >> could you turn the microphone on. >> sorry. >> thank you. >> let me say first i agree with you that the domestic terrorism threat is a very, very serious one indeed, and something that we spend a lot of our time focused on.
don't have sitting here right now the allocation of agents. that number.g what i can tell you on this particular subject is that we have about a thousand open domestic terrorism investigations as we speak, andd that over the past 11 to 12 months i think we have had 176 arrests of domestic terrorism subjects during that period of time. so, i've now been starting just in my first few weeks on the job getting out to field offices and there are significant numbers of agents who are working very, very hard on that subject. so i can assure you it's a top priority for us. >> i would really appreciate if you would provide to the committee for the railroad some cupid of breakdown of the resources being allocated in these various areas. i think that the threat is one that, if you ask most americans
they would assume that theth threats from isis influence is much greater, and in the realit the facts don't support that. and so i would like to get a better sense of the balance of resources in this area if you would. let's talk about counterterrorism budget cuts. the president's budget crawls for elimination of half a billion dollars in cuts for counterterrorism.os while the same budget says that we need to build a wall that even border patrol agents say io not their top priority for border security. can you talk about the substantial cuts and how that would impact the current counterterrorism efforts incu security in a way that is possible for you to talk about, either director rasmussen or any of the three of you. >> kind of difficult for me to
comment because the intelligence portion of the budget is i don't think exactly what you have you fingers on with the question you're asking and the resource is have available to me at the national counterterrorism center. i'm comfortable we have the resources necessary to carry out the mission wes have, particularly the extra additional work in the areas of screening and vetting to support secretary duke and her team at dhs.ly we're a very tiny slice and i am not in any way evading your question ump i'm just saying the resources i have available have not been significantly reduced and i'm in a position to carry out my missions. >> secretary duke, what about the -- i think everybody would ray degree the viper teams have been very effective as they've worked around the country routeing the viper team's down to eight. are you going to try to advocate to reverse that ways move forward? i hope the appropriateators will. >> we have to do a risk-basedar
approach and we value the viper teams. we funded those that we could within the constraints of balancing the risks with the demonstrated and measurable value of the teams. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> i finished before five minutes. >> i hone everybody follows the ranking -- >> with that example i set.op >> senator portman.ollows >> thank you, mr. chairman, welcome to all the witnesses. miss dukor, here here for the fitter time as acting secretary and director wray, the first time before the committee, we're glad you're still here, nick. we need you. look, this has been a horrible hurricane season and our hearts go out to she scrimmages in the wake of the devastation, three storms that probably makes this the worst hurricane season we have experienced, and our thanks out to the first responders and to the volunteers, some from my
state and all the states repped here who have lent a hand to fellow citizens. our citizens today in the virgin islands and in puerto rico i think are in a particularly difficult situation and i understand that in texas and florida, they've also got a tough situation but we have the capability to handle that better at the state level. you talked a little bit about what you're starting to do, secretary duke, and i guess my question is about what more can be done, one by dod. i as i -- you mentioned distribution. there's gas on the island and food and water but it's not getting out to locations that need it or to many locations that need it. and steams to me that infrastructure is going to have to be provided by the federal government.gettin so what can you tell us about dod cooperation? seems like you're not just going to need fema folks. you need bodies and vehicles and other infrastructure, communications infrastructure.n. what is dod doing, what could they do more of? and then finally, what more can we do.and
you'll come to us for additional preparations this fall. what can this congress be doing right now? >> so dod is providing dem support. we have about 16 ships in the area between dod and coast guard, with additional on the way, including mercy ship, hospital ship. one thing that dod is doing that is critically important is assessing the ports and the airports. if we can get the ports and the airports to full operations, that's going to be huge. we did -- were able to reactivate the closed air force base, now we're flying our supplies through that airportug and have been able to open puerto rico to commercial flights to allow persons to come back to the united states that want to come back. so i think what dod is doing isr helping us get the suppliess there, but also helping us open the access roads. they also are leading debris removal which is huge. still have area wes can't access by rooted.
we did send more troops downll yesterday, including a general, that will be in charge of coordinating on the ground. so we have a general on site now that i think is going to help speed things up and put decisionmaking on the ground.th that was a big step forward. in terms of congresses, there is funding. we did ask yesterday the congressional cal to hold off congressional visits because of the limit air space in between frights and we thank you for doing that. many of you want to get there and see and it we thank you for postponing until at least next week congressional visits so we can use every minute of air space and time for those that have survived the terrible event. >> it's an urgent situation andt 0 different response is needed. and i'm glad to hear that our military resources are being used because i think it's required.o as to changing the subject, talk about fentanyl and biochem
issues went have an opioid crisis and in fact more people are dying every day and my statv of ohio, your home state and all of our states, than last year.oh it's not getting better.e it's getting worse. more deaths from overdoses from heroin, synthetic heroin, likes fentanyl and car fentanyl than car accidents the number one cause of death in my state and our country. by the way, 58% of the deaths in ohio over the last year came from fentanyl.th not from heroin. and the fentanyl is coming into the country by the u.s. mail system, primarily from china. so this is a threat -- an external threat and i'm frustrated because we can't get our postal service to provide law enforcement, including your people, at customs and border protection, information to identify these packages and stoi this poison from coming into our communities. i know you're aware of the issue. can you tell us what progress you're making to be able to stop this and do you support or
legislation to stop -- members of this committee are cosponsors of the legislation itch says the post office has to provide advance information to law enforcement to identify packages and stop the threat. >> absolutely.y. and i think that the work of the committee has helped. i am meeting with the postmaster general next week.at we have gotten visibility into a certain percentage of packages but has to increase. additionally we're seeing the routing change, as we addressag china the route ising is changing to stops so we're definitely focused on that, and i feel confident the attorney general -- excuse me -- the potionmaster general is at the table now -- the postmaster general is at the table. >> we'd like your support on this legs, needs a change in law to require the post office to do what private carriers have to do and traffickers know. they know how to take advantage of our weakings ins and this is
a weakness right now in the current system. this product is also being weaponized. so car fentanyl in particular. director wray i hope you focus on that as well. i have a concern about terrorist groups and state actors using this as a weapon. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> senator langford. >> thank you fog being here and the testimony you're bringing. miss duke, thank you forstepping up. you came to serve with general kelly and then he ran off to ae different job so you had to step in. thank you. we have a visit scheduled in my office, i believe to go to surveil details.pi -- several details. let me ask you specific questions about puerto rico. there was a waiver was requested for the jones act for puerto rico. that was denied. that waiver was given to houston, was given to florida, obviously the virgin islands, they're waive from the jones act
to they constantly have ships coming back and forth. puerto rico in good times thinks the jones act costs them a billion and a half dollars in economic activity a year but they especially need it now and just getting vessels in. can you help me understand why and where the conversation is on jones act for puerto rico? >> first of all, we don't know if fuel shortamen the island. the challenge its getting i distributed inch term offered the jones act waiver. we researchedded this. we have no known jones act waiver requests. we did receive a congressional letter today. we are double checking to make sure rate true. if there are fuel shortages, we are looking at jones act, likewe you said, we'llite appropriately. there's two issues with puerto rico. one is the potential shortage of carriers that with the u.s. flag carriers. the second is tariffs and otherk things that make the fuel cost high in puerto rico, and that's what we're hearing, too people
are suffering from the tariffs. >> if we could engage not that white help them. it's a week to get even a vest toll them, so the longer it takes to be able to get that waiver down, then vessels can't even start getting there that nor u.s. flag vessels. another interesting point that we can talk about later on is dealing with fema and the decision about nonprofits. congress years ago said that nonprofits were included in disaster relief aid. the previous administrations defined nonprofits as excluding churches. i'm still trying to get a definition for that. often the churches are the community location where food and everything is distributedes from there, but then they can't also get disaster rearrive but the museum or the library or whatever else around them can. so that one are i think the administration has the authority to make the decision corks chong has spoken on that.el just previous admissions defined nonprofits everything but a church but a church is nonprofit. so with a synagogue and --
dealing with a counter-and violent extremism and what is happening in destabilizing us, we watched even this weekend the russians and their troll farms and their internet folks start hash tagging out, taking a knee and also hash tagging out, boycott nfl. they were taking both sides of the argument and pushing them out on their troll farms to try to just raise the noise level in america and to make a big issue seem like an even bigger issue as they're trying to push divisiveness the country. we have been able to see that and will see that again in election time my question for you is does dhs -- you have the responsibility to oversea elects nationwide and to be able toil work with the states that organize all their elects with the state. does dhs have the resources to
do an-site assessments for all the states that "between now and the 2018 elects. >> dehave the resources to do it. not all states have requested and there's still an issue with some states whether i they want that federal involvement but we have the resources. >> 'll follow up in another conversation itch visited with dh folks on the design of the border wall and trying to workp through the border security for the southern bored, several members of the committee were involved in those conversations. we're still waiting on details. descriptions, design, costs, the costs per mile of the borderwe s wall, done done years ago was $3.35 million. the initial request was $20 million per mile. so we're waiting for not only why that dramatic increase in costs, what the final designit while look like and the long-term view of this. not to just look at the 77 miles as requested currently but where do we good and what order and how and simple things that can
be cheaper, for instance, getting rid of the very actively growing cane on the river banks where individuals hide drugs and be able to move products into the united states illegally. that cane eradication would be exceptionally important as well so any commented about the future of the wall and where we're going. >> i'm looking at the plan next week and we'll have it to congress shortly after, and as i committed in my confirmation hearing, the southern border strategy does not include just the wall. it includes infrastructure, technology, and other co-securing mechanisms. >> thank you. i'll follow up. >> center heitkamp. >> just on follow up. you working on the northern border and the southern border strategy. what's the timeline of those, secretary? >> we'll have the northern border strategy by the end of the calendar year and the southern border strategy within the next month.
>> that is critically important as we go through decisionmaking and as we look at cane eradication, another invaication, miss mississippi mesquite. needs to be eradicated so we have a better chance of catchint border crossers the first mile in. so, i want to talk about cyber security. i don't have a lot of time so i'll do this quickly. two questions. how do you grade our current vulnerability in this country, a. being impenetrable, f being we're in big trouble. and how do you grade all of this for all of you -- how do you grade our current collaboration and coordination across executive branch agencies, including dod? we'll start with you, secretary. >> coordination across federal agencies has gotten very high.
would probably give it a b. because i never think we're done. and we know that the threat is significant. in terms of grade it would depend on the critical infrastructure sector. right now we are focused on energy and critical infrastructure and the attacks on that. that it is probably our highest threat right now. so, because of it importance and the focus on that, would give that the lowest grade. >> okay. director. >> senator, would agree with secretary duke that on the cooperation time they're beside dramatic advances and dramatic progress in the wake of a number of the pdp41 and other things, much better coordination. so, like secretary duke, i tend to be dissatisfied with our efforts, so b-minus on that front. on the threats i'm still trying to get my armed around a lot of
them a few weeks into the job. guess i would call thatead incomplete. >> nothing to add, senator. >> i think we always hear there's coordination and then an event happens and it seems like no one seems to know what the -- the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. i'd be very careful to give too high a mark to coordination. i'm not sure we in the congress understand who is doing what and how it's being coordinated, and what we need to do. i mean, we have these one-offs whether it's election challenges and then we look at what happened at the sec, what has happened at obviously the equifax penetration and these have all created incredible challenges. one thing we know about cyber is that it is critical that weha engage in a dialogue with the american public about cyber security and cyberhygiene, so, which agency is taking that on to really begin that process
like you have see something, say something, who is doing thepr actual education of the american public on how they can be part of a cyber security network? >> that's our responsibility at homeland security. we have started it. we're working on trying to resensitize americans to that need. there's much more to do. >> i think we're woefully short. think you ask anyone who has been that person who has been trying to train their kids how to protect themselves. it is incredibly vulnerable because it's as strong as the weakest link, so i'm deeply concerned that we don't really have a handle on what we're doing in cyber security and that at the end of the day we'll spend our time and resources looking at all these other threats and completely miss one of the most serious threats that
could be pursuing this country. director wray, obviously very concerned about what is happening in indian country, pretty hard on your predecessor in terms of the role that the fbi plays in reservations in my state. missing women across theay boardment we had a discussion in the back room. you're working on. i just want to encourage you to personally in spite of everything else going on, personally engage because you are the only cop on the beat for many of my communities who are suffering from record amounts of drug addiction and drug abuse, people who are suffering violent crime at much higher rates, and now a continuation of maybe third-party or third-country involvement from law enforcement.t. so, please pay attention to this. >> just a quick response. >> sure. senator, haven't forgotten our
conversation when we met and it's something i have specifically raises with the leadership team. we have the safe trails task force we're comet i to but i'm well aware we're in the only game in town in that space and i'm looking forward to learning more how we can be effective. >> senator hassan. >> i would like to address the crisis in puerto rico and our fellow citizens' pleas for federal re sources. as a former governor i know how important the resources are and why aim very concerned to hear from my friend, former governor of puerto rico, that relief effort to this point have failed to make wait to to the most in feed. we serve together as governors and i know him to be a very steady hand amid the challenges
that his island faces so that's why the e-mail i got from him last night is concerning and i want to read an excerpt of itt and would ask unanimous consent for the full e-mail to be entered into the record. >> without 0,. >> thank you. here's what the says. the situation is critical. there is no electricity anywhere on the island and only 40% of customers have running water. hospitals are on the verbal of collapse and many have had to transfer all their patients to other over strained facilities because they have run out of gas or diesel for the generators. patients are dying in their homes because they cannot fill their prescriptions. do not have access to ice to keep their insulin cool or cannot reach in time a dialysis center with electricity. there are entire communities that the government has been unable to reach due to widespread landslides and debris. this is happening in america today. unless we see a dramatic increase in assistance, and
personnel reaching the island soon, many thousands could die. so, secretary duke, i'd like to ask you to respond to governor garcia's e-mail and also in your response talk about what kind of planning about assets being deployed to puerto rico was made before the storm hit. we knew the storm was coming they had been glanced by irma, and not hit as badly as some others by irma, but here we are with a really dire situation and my friend, the former governor, says we need the army and the national guard deployed throughout the island now, today. this cannot wait another day. despite federal agencies coordinating in san juan there is very limited presence of military personnel assisting people in the streets and throughout our communities. so, secretary. >> the president and vice president and i talked with the governor yesterday, and that was about 1:00, and he had nout
unmet needs at that it point. so i will follow up with him but i offered to reach out to me directly in addition to our fema administer. there is challenges in getting to the outer part offed of the lieland bought the debris removal and landslided are so strong. what have done that is significant the addressing those concerns we're using the dod to now help with distribution. that generally is something that the commonwealth would do itselo women heard stories of shortages. we have also heard stories of extortion, and so to avoid that and make sure that the critical resources get to where they need to, we are using dod for that as of yesterday afternoon. >> thank you for that response but i have to tell you that i know others have the been in contact with the current governor of puerto rico as well and they're not hearing all their needs have been met and so
we have american lives at stake here and i urge you and the department to do everything youu can, and i am concerned about why there weren't more assets on their way to puerto rico as soon as the storm hit. we're almost a week out now. >> absolutely. we have been air-dropping. we are -- it is a challenge andb we'll never stop and never be satisfied. so i agree with you, senator. >> thank you. i have a number of questions on homeland security but given my time i'll yield back the remainder and wait for the second round. thank you. >> thank you senator, senator peters. >> thank you, mr. chairman and thank you to our witnesses for being here today. think that some actions by the administration, such as the travel ban, as well as some very divisive rhetoric that we haveve heard coming out of the administration, has consequences and sometimes very significant consequences.
beginning at the end of last year, we have seen a spike in anti-muslim incidents in my home state, in michigan. we have seen a rash of bomb threats against jewish community centers in michigan as well. as well as across the country. that's why my colleague on this cometter, senator portman, and i wrote a letter together calling for the dhs and doj to address these incidents and to provide the communities with the resources they need to deal with these incidents. the letter was signed by all 100 senators. every one of the colleagues in the that believe this ill something to address. and make no mistake, think some of the darkest elements in our society have become embold inned and we need to look for further than the white supremacy protests in charlottesville and other activities across the country to bring this to our attention. so i want to follow up on a question by ranking member
mccaskill to mr. wray. this question is how many eight do way have related to domestica terrorism versus international terrorism. let me ask a broad query. what are your budgets, secretarh duke, the bug in your department for domestic terrorism versus international terrorism. >> we have no specific delineation in the budget for domestic terrorism versus international terrorism. we do believe that home-grown violent extremists who are persons in this country with a international nexus are or motivation are our biggest threat. with are looking at both the home-grown violent extremists and domestic terrorist but no specific delineation. >> director wray. >> senator, my answer i similar. we don't have in our budget allocations between specific types of terrorism. we have allocations of agents and other resours to counterterrorism and we tend to
move agencies and other analysts seamlessly between squads depending then time period, the field office, kennedying on the threat assessment in that community.th >> any response to senator mccaskill residents question, you can provide that information to us so we can get a sense how the allocations are occurring. >> let me see what information we can provide. >> i have no responsibility for domestic terrorism. the legislation that created us we were not to engage in track organize analyzing threats related to domestic terrorism. >> thank you. also my understanding thatat unlike international terrorism,o we do not have any domestiche terrorism legislation or statute do you think this legislation that may be something we should consider? director wray? >> senator, i'm aware of ongoing discussions about the possibility of a domestic terrorism statute, as you correctly note there's not a domestic terrorism crime as such. we in the fbi refer to domestic
terrorism as a category but it's really more of a way in which we allocation which agents, which squad is going to work on it. i well say nene domestic terrorism context, like the international terrorism context, we take very much the approach that we're going to use all the tools out our disposal. so a lot of domestic terrorism o cases we bring, we're able to charge under gun charges, explosive charges, all manner of other crimes, also with state and local law enforcement who can sometimes bring very straightforward, easy mike kisses, homicide cases, things like that. so, we have a lot of cools and can use more tools and something i'm looking forward learning more about. >> secretary duke. >> yes. we take both seriously, and often times when we encounter an act of violence we don't know if it's internationally motivate or domestically motivated.
so we take every threat and every act of terrorism, every act of violence, with a motivation very seriously. they have a commonality in hate. it's just where their motivation comes from. external organization or internally. it ises -- the ocurrents are stronger. we're trying to do it both from a law enforcement, through the fbi, about also through education program. to try to help communities be able to respond to it and be able to counter it. >> thank you. >> are you ready? senator carper. >> how is it going? we're glad you're here, thank you. thank you so much for your
service and for joining us today. i don't know that this has been covered mitchell guess it is probably hasn't been. we just covered what i'm beside to ask many times. miss duke, ask for you to start off. the president has indicated a willingness to find common ground on legislation involving legalizing the presence of ---li status of daca students in this country, but he is interested in doing some more work on border security. he has had an ongoing interest in a wall, but i have had the opportunity to travel to the border with some of my colleagues, none of my colleagues, with your predecessor, secretary now president's chief of staff, former secretary johnson and others, and i believe there's some places where the wall actually makes sense, but if you think about the -- all the but
distance between the pacific ocean ask the gulf of mexico, there's -- doesn't make sense in a whole lot of places and it think you know that. the other place where fencesd make a lot of sense, places where roads make a lot of sense, roads along walls or fences. the places where boats make sense. places where boat ramps make sense. there's fair amount of use of helicopters, fix-winged aircraft, drones, tether to director stationary towers. mobile towers. we deed subsurface surveillance and occasion would be tanked to do search and rescue, and we put 13 guys in an airplane, fixed wing aircraft that a couple thousand feet off the water with
binoculars to look for a life raft, and we were not often very successful. so the idea of putting what is fixed wing or helicopters of drones ought there -- or towers tether without really sophisticated technology to be able to see at night during bad weather, and for a long distances and to mexico. if we don't have the surveillance technology doesn't may six. i have seen places where horses make sense and you have high grass and get the border patrol agents up on a horse and actually do their job better. places where intelligence, better intelligence information sharing makes sense. the other thing that we have heard about here in a number of hearings is the need to -- the needle in the hay stack. hand to find the needled. you can make the needles big are or have the right kind of surveillance equipment you can make the needles bigger but also
help if you've make the hay i stack smaller, and that might be by making sure that fewer people come, feel need to knee honduras, guatemala, el valve door to come to theup they that make it smaller. the last administration has beep strong proponent and has gotten bipartisan support in the congress to actually address a root cause of folks trying to get out of the their countries, flee the murder and mayhem that threatens lives and safety. and the idea to sort of find out what works, use something that worked in the past, clan colombia helped transform colombia. they did most of the work and we helped. it's like home depot. you can do it, we can help. that's a menu of openings to help secure our borders. i just want you to react to those, do any of those make sense to you? is our acting secretary?
>> they all make sense. to be honest, senator carper. we're looking at not only in between the points of entry bute at the points of entry, through information sharing and vetting and credentialing. our goal is to keep bad people out, and to keep the elicit movement of goods so we're not tending transnational trillion organizations and that's the goal, and how that happens we are open to doing that. i offered to talk about reform bills with any member and i -- let you know how operationally it would play out and iw re-affirm that offer. in terms of the northern triangle in mexico i'm in dialogue with all of them and working through some international banks to also look at that. how can we make it so people want to stay in their countries, which is the ultimate goal and those discussions are ongoing in fact we had a meeting on it this week and looking at setting up a forum. so all of them. >> any quick comments, mr. wray,
before my time is expired but just very briefly. >> well, would just shareve secretary duke's view that we have to have a multididiscipline mary approach which is builddi into your well-taken question. >> thank you. >> the responsibility of the intelligence community is to provide the best possible service to those who actually carry out the screening and vetting of individuals trying to come into the country. we take that responsibility seriously. we have made business process improvements how to do that but they're more work to be done for sure. >> thank you all. >> senator harris.s. >> secretary duke, in response for senator langford's question about the jones act you indicated we nor not aware of any interests you were informed because you raved it in the clips this morning. that troubles me. i'm informed that there have been at least two requests, one from eight house members led by congressman val las questions
and another by senator mccain. you're unaware or those requests it suggests they're not a sufficient priority for puerto rico in your agency. is there someone under you other than the fema director who is responsible to reporting directly to you the status of your agency's work in puerto rico, and so can you give me the name of the person. >> we have the request phenomenon congress so if i mick spoke i apologize. we have the letters from congress. those go to custom and border protection and we do not have any and from industry. >> there is a person under you who is responsible for reporting directly to you've about the status of your agency's work in puerto rico in addition to the fema director. >> no. >> can you please put somebodys in place that can be responsible for responding to requests from congress about your activities as relates to the jones act or any other work in puerto rico? >> yes. >> you'll give us a name. >> yes. >> and then on the issue that senator mccaskill raised, iin so
was troubled to hear director wray, but thankfully you are on top of it, that your agency has 1,000 open investigations on domestic terrorism, 176 arrests for domestic terrorism. the fbi and dhs issued a joint intelligence bulletin in may of this year, where you indicated, quote, it will likely domestic -- white supremacist extremist will likely continue to pose a threat of lee val violence over the next year. so, mr. chairman, i am requesting that we open an investigation, a congressional investigation, into the issue. according to the joint bulletin the fbi and dhs define white supremacist extremists as individuals who seek wholly or in part through unlv acts of force or violence to support their beliefs in the intellectual and moral superiority of the white praise over other races. i believe that this committee has done a great job of
conducting congressional investigations when we have found that it there are americans who are at risk of harm and violence and so on. on this mart i would ask that we do a similar investigation. >> request noted. >> thank you. >> on the issue of daca, secretary duke, on september 5th you issued a memo rescinding the 2012 enemy hoe which established daca, and in making the decision to reskinned the daca, you indicated that recipients welln have some period of time in order to apply. i'm told by folks who are working with renewal on the ground that they have seen a slowdown in daca recipients re-applying. can you prepared to extend the amount of time they have? >> we have had no requests. i did talk to one senator about a potential need for an extension but we have had no
indication from daca recipients they're having trouble. we checked the system to make sure it is an easy system to re-apply and they do not have to reproduce their documents. >> have you convenedded or had a meeting and input from the community folks who are working on the ground to get information from them and if not, i request that you do that so you can get a complete picture of what its actually happening on the ground. tell you from the perspective of california, these young people are terrified. they are terrified. they were told by your agency that if they submitted this comprehensive information about their background and their status to apply for daca, that information would not be shared with i.c.e. itch asked you and the former secretary, are you willing to keep america's promise to these young people and not share their information with i.c.e.? can you answer that question finally? it has not been aned many times
i've asked. >> i think i can't unequivocally promise that, no, but -- >> we'll not keep our promise to these children and these young people. >> i am not familiar with the promise that was made to these children but i know that having them on two-year nonrenewable suspensions is not the righto answer and i look forward to working with the congress in coming one with a better solution. >> i'll submit for the record and give you copy of the document where the united states government told these young people when they applied for daca status we would not share their information with i.c.e. a you have knopp seen this document? >> i have not. >> okay. i will give a copy to you. i have it here and give you a copy itch thing i presented it to you and -- the person you -- >> i will get you an answer. >> ed like that answer before the end of the week, please. you also indicated when you
last testified before us that in terms of the seven new enforcement priorities they were of -- in descending level of priority. following your tim before the committee, the former secretary said there was no priority in terms of that list.e so which is the policy of your agency and how have you instructed the people on the ground about what are the enforce. pry ore odd the agency. >> those are enforcement priorities, however an i.c.e. agent is not restricted from apprehending anyone in violation of law. >> there are seven enforcement priorities.io have you instructed the agents on theground about which are the highest enforcement prioritiese versus the lowest, given that with all agencies and yours you have limited resources. >> yes. >> can you give that information to me, please? >> yes. >> now? >> oh, now? we have the dhs policy and then we have the i.c.e. policy and
they awe say that these are the priorities for enforce. there's anywhere targeted enforce. they're against the priorities. however, if an i.c.e. agent encounters someone that isn't a priority but is still an illegal immigrant, then they would be apprehended also using a discretion of the i.c.e. agent. ... investigation of white supremacist i met with of director prior to the steering to confirm he said 1,000 active investigations on white supremacist and isis related? but also do you take the threat of white supremacist terrorist any less seriously than those
>> >> and that is our concern. it isn't ideology but the danger and violence and threats towards people in this country and the numbertry. is also true we have 1,000 bin isis related investigations at this time as well. we are very busy. >> except with the differences so the nexus of fort fighters his there any difference of prosecution techniques? what about violent extremist? is there any difference to that approach?. >> most ways they are similar but there is not a
domestic terrorism offenses supp like to foreign terrorism provision and of course, there are certain investigative tools like fisa. >> thinks to the witnesses for being here today secretary duke, you noted detests lacks authority from the unmanned aerial systemss and in my state we are very involved with u.s. and customs and border protection. so talk to me can you describe dna a threat of the unmanned aircraft and what we can do?. >> we have an increased use of drones it could be
surveillance or herb solicit material or acting violence but what we lack is that ability to interdict so we can determine if this is friend or foe type of drone. we're not feel the one watching that ability. and to monitor these that does not generate generally.ionf so what would be helpful to you to better monitor those grounds with better reasonable protections? is there information you can provide us are you talking
on the border or othert locations?.. >> primarily it is of order for us and other agenciesge have different kinds we're looking from the borders states. >> and the director, same type of question and what you doing in this area where we develop thesese capabilities? so can you address those unmanned drones?. >> i welcome the question, senator. the top a topic we have been discussing what we do know terrorist organizations have an interest in using drones and we have seen that overseas already with growing frequency with the expectation it is coming here. relativ they are relatively easy to
acquire and operate and quite difficult to disrupt and monitor so that is something you would welcome to work with congress and the other agencies to figure out a solution. >> you have a group working on this issue?. >> starting with theig intelligence director to seee isis and other groups with those capabilities overseas and then try to present a clearer picture with state and local partners we can display those techniques they may use to bring harm to communities whether dropping small explosives or dispersing toxins so that is the first up and then think
of those true defensive measures so they could employ at a manageable cost i think that is under way those that have focused on this pretty full time one year ago was emerging problem now is a real problem. we're quickly trying to up our game. >> who is taking the lead in that effort? to develop a strategy to implement?. >> i don't know of the designated a single agency lead we're trying to help find that capability of course it would be that of a broader community that has equity here as well in trying to do a better job to convene never ready in the federal government and that
work is underway. >>. >> i tried to understand the lead. >> i will give you the answer i don't know who is the true bellybutton. >> hoodie think is a good lead person to enter face in the best way? it is just your recommendation just tried to find out what you think is the best place to get a lead. >> will come back with more thoughtfully answer. >> we would distorted talking about this as an interagency process and i think that would be the best process to come up with a federal position. >> will follow-up with both of you to make sure we're helping in the effort.
>> i appreciate your service but will ask you any i appre questions don't hold that against me but we put language in the omnibus to require a report to be sent back to congress by august 4th august 4th with the most effective solutions from the southern border. we have yet to receive that. first of all do you know about that? can you give me a time line? because we are beyond finding season it is next rigo ready is importantwit that we know that we will not cut you a blank check. >> i do and i am suppose to receive that next week but if you have a specific need
then we can work with you on that. >> is supposed to be a comprehensive report which means you will look for the most cost-effective ways toti make that border secure so the politics of a wall should not be in the pitcher but what is the best option to make the border secure we should be looking forward to give ideas on what you want for that potential cost not 80 miles of the border butee the border. are rearm the same page?.sa >> absolutely. >> it think it is critically important nobody in congress doesn't want a secure borders but the lastwaure bo proposal was $24 billion per
mile for the wall and i don't think that is the most effective way perc we have technology and by the way you can tweak that so i hope we get a good comprehensive look your on the ground lead and biased political opinion earlier this year the president's budget over 300 nationwide i do not understand what went into that process but airports large and small have fewer people on the ground ahead would burden with the unfunded mandate which by the way i do not believe they have the resources to fund we have seen plenty of
tragedies around the world. >> you know, what answer i want but i want to know what is in your head. do believe funding tsa is critical, critical component in what is your conversation on this issue?.ou >> dhs position and is we try to look at what expenditure of funds is the most value looking at the budget like somebody posted at the exit as a stand-alone function if they don't have evidence if they are
successful or if they are lower risk we half to be more efficient so it isn't just human intensive but an ongoing process. >> i appreciate that but the reimbursement program is critical i cannot thank you enough because security cost money. i think is to be the epitome to shoot yourself in thebe foot. christopher next time around we will do good stuff. >> cyberterrorism is a threat that is all too real in montana a columbia fallsch school district received cyberthreats promising heart
demanding ransom this forced the closure of more than 30 schools across multiple school districts affecting 15,000 montana children and it is unprecedented we have not seen that before it to be identified as the dark overlord as a criminal organization are you aware of the cyberthreat?. >> yes we are actively involved in that matter in montana and want to be careful not to discuss the ongoing investigation but i could not agree more with those variants is the example in your state illustrates it is every where no longer just ran somewhere with a fortune 500 company, hospitals and
schools is a threat to that is growing and been other cases to redirect them into the hands of law enforcement but make the mistake is a serious threat and it is growing. >> it was an active investigation but looking back at the big picture what is the fbi doing for the cybercrimes to help bring them to justice?. >> a variety of technological things to exchange information with those telltale signs andre
well received more and more of this transcends boundaries and how those eight organizations are targeting victims of other countries as well so we're working to get five and six to deal with the elusive people. >> ms. duke general kelly drove down illegal immigration and boosted department morale. one of the underreported stories in this country is what you have seen of the decline of coming across thehw of southwest border is general kelly sat we were sitting a while back to share these remarkable improvements that our quantifiable reductions of
60 and 70% in the of confidence he will continue on that trajectory. those recent cyberthreats has the people of montana shocked and nervous but as you mention in your testimony americans will not be intimidated or coerced also for those that exploitce cyberspace. what about the execution capabilities we actually went up six points in the survey this year so that was a tremendous amount. >> we can appreciate the emphasis. thank you. >> we are working withth critical infrastructure cybersecurity has to start
through monitoring and diagnostics to protect not only the federal system but keeping the critical infrastructure of the private sector aware of threats that might come out and recently one of the more severe actions was a significant threat so it depends on these situation. fbis so there is a seamless counter with a criminal activity. >> senator, last year prior to your testimony director
breaded testified for the senate intelligence committee and his quotation on isis was all efforts to the reduced capability and global reach and a month or two later you said despite this progress the ability to carry out isis attacks to significantly diminish as a reminder of the group's global reach so basically said that capacity has not been mitigated but to remain resilient is that pretty much your feeling that we're making great gains? to destroy that caliphate is a global reach of diminished?. >> every means profound butro
i would make one and distinction that was not on the table last year we have seen a reduction of isis to directing and command and control attacks from their safe haven in iraq and syria but the bad news is thathe expanded ability to take those actions across europee ben or in the side of the homeland. those attacks driven under command and control could be larger and more complex but that is not to minimize what comes with the individual who may require a firearm.erstae sleigh don't want to overstate our threat condition to have these directed plots or inspired plots.
but it will take a longer period of time that we would like to mitigate that throat -- but it is coming and itne is happening and will not happen as quickly as we like. >> also director komi testified there would not all die in the of battlefield but unlike we have never seen before. about a month ago you had a different assessment do we nazi that spread?. >> more of these individuals are deciding in the conflict zone as they are fighting to preserve the caliphate.d cali
without large inflow it is coming it is not nearly as large as anticipated that is a good thing we don't have to deal with thousands and thousands of ford fighters but quality matters so those individuals that escaped with a specialized set of skills or those connections and eocene the move to libya and afghanistan. >> and not a large volumes but their other conflict zones.
>> i would add one related point those that we previously thought would have traveled to be encouraged the way things they are on the battlefield so bad is a variation of director komi. >> so with critical infrastructure talk about cybersecurity above everything else is doing allel these other threats. because of that capability connecting everyone that cooperation with the drug cartel, can you describeto des that witches' brew?.
>> what we are seeing is a blurring so with that counter intelligence arena nation states having hackers or higher or transnational criminal organizations going into cybercrime and with all of those different threats because more is on line so the modality is to it takes -- changing. >> when i was in kansas city we would save you want to get information out of them make sure you'd have something they needed because it is difficult to open the lines of
communication and with e everyone who was doing the same work. when i read the inspectors general report read good job. i.c.e. understand the nature you don't want to discuss but it is important we are talking about sharing information since the fires were burning in the twin towers how we will do that
better and more effectively this is federal to federal sharing information. what are you doing right now to look from the three parts of the government working together hand-in-hand?. >> i will go first. first somebody i have no and worked with for a long time i had a meeting with him within the first week of my rifle on the job and i continue to evaluate that recommendation but on information sharing somebody in government on 9/11 while
we clearly have a long way to go i have some perspective and it is so much better now than it wass before. light-years going into field offices people for dhs dhs:located with people from the fbi or cia. every meeting all the people want to talk about the great relationships they have. we can get better but i want to reassure you great progress has been made. >> as terrific. >> do we have a specific plan. >> we are focused there was the artificial separation between law enforcement and the intelligence communityll we had to overcome we're very close to overcoming to
come up with a model that should be finalized very soon to allow clear sharing of information that is one of the most important areas to us. >> were about how long it takes us to notify the state and then there was another. i assume you all agree we are at risk from russia to interfere in the election and process? and what is the strategy going four works -- forward? to
prevent that from actually happening? the way russia up later round in democracy? it is of nerving to break the of backbone of democracyy ow i just want to make sure you are preparing for this next year and have a plan. >> in terms of notification back with the intrusion occurred and that did not notify the senior official so i know that we are working on the identification.
>> are you ready for next year?. >> we're talking about this very subject with resources focused on the upcoming election one of the things that we know that's you're trying to influence other elections that is where the partnerships become important to exchange capabilities we're also looking at this as a multi disciplinary effort so the counterintelligence and cyberpeople are working together. >> is somebody looking at the dark money? we have the ability of people to give money and never be
identified publicly. millions and millions ofof dollars is somebody going through these supertax to see where the money is coming from?. >> if there is something i can provide you after the of hearing?. >> the notion that nobody in public gets to know where this comes from is tailor-made for russia.to kno that is where the majority of the money is spent right now as a result. >> haiti itself is not a crime and protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties so i hear a lot about hate groups or hate crimes so is the fbi
maintaining a list that is under greater scrutiny and how was that developed?. >> we do a couple different things are focused is a tracking movements or ideologies but on situations from the terrorism angle there are two different pieces. we focus on the threat of violence so there has to be proper accreditation to start the investigation the fbi has a history we try to be very sensitive to not investigating people forliefs. their beliefs period that is entirely bill -- protected is an appropriate.
day you keep a list of hate groups are do you outsource that to say who is on your list is there a list?. >> we have networks of people and groups in that sense i don't know if we would call them hate groups but nine designated movements as the identifier to categorize. >> but no outside group has created that?. >> correct. >> i will ask you about the entry and exit visa. people that have overstayed the vis the from last year we have 600,000 people that overstayed and we don't know where they are.rom th
i will ask you from the 9/11 commission with those requirements put in place they come into the country and then to find them and figure out why they're still here. ottman to know if everything is on schedule the next phase is integrating into narrow tsa and that is the way we intend. >> the full rollout is by when?. >> we have to get back to on that. >> that would be helpful. this has been a request for very long time and i know you are trying to finish it but it is exceptionally
important. >> agreed. >> i asked about on state assessments and you said any state you are prepared i would say you had this conversation before and the statement was if we had just a few states ask we are not personnel ready. / like to have a longer conversation to be at that point because it is my and standing -- understanding that maybe requests are not there yet but at the same time we could not make it and there is a lot more than e 10 states so where the
states are right now? that notification has gone back out and it does make a difference but do this states understand those cyberthreats with the equipment and they have to do an audit but they prepared to verify to audit after the election of the machines have been hacked?. >> there are people artificially delineating between that voter database / web like to see more sense of urgency but the cyberthreats are on us every day. e >> they delete or they add
people and then they lose trust and now because somebody changed it so just that sense of trust to push back of the russians and say not on our system ever. >> one observation that has good relationships with homeland security with that outreach and i would urge you to foster that bridge tuesday election officials because of the sense of urgency with 2018.
to follow-up on the question of the isis diaspora. not all members will die on the battlefield but we will invoke a strategy with that caliphate.to ask i want to ask you about theur investigation officers to the consulate's the security teams are trained on counterterrorism professionals making decisions to foreign nationals so returning to their home countries it is more important to have these teams and more than a diplomatic post can you
commit to expanding the number of post these are located? we are working to do that. >> we are reviewing that right now we are increasing vetting overall and that has been very useful to us. >> we look forward to working with you on that and we want to do everything we can to partner with you on apropos also with the white supremacist and neo-nazi threat i think we need an oversight effort in this regard on those by white supremacist there are subtle
complexities fund the initial review the ability to address terrorism appears to be very different so well that international terrorism are defined of domestic terrorism but there is a charge on the books so if the charlottesville attacker had emerged from his car and the name of isis he would be charged with international terrorism is that true even if american?.
>> we can charge isis supporters but i will say that i want to make sure we're not confusing the committee in some way of the domestic terrorism space our approach in both international terrorism and domestic terrorism immediate post 9/11 era is to live every possible tool and that best charge there may be reasons why it is simpler and quicker than you can still gets rare there very
this effective charges from the domestic terrorism charge those are cases brought under other criminal cases. >> i am concerned we doing everything we can to go after domestic tourism groups i have been trying to think through the neo-nazi for that defining factor is the idea there is nothing inherent about a nazi so that neo-nazi cares -- carries out a murder yelling hitler that appeal to the
ideology that is outside of the border. >> i have to think about that a little bit. so we will bring them with that provocation and the elements? i have not heard the cannolis use more tools in the toolbox to be effective. >> there are some real complexities in the real picture of the terrorist groups and thank you for being here today. >> we have a bunch of hearings going on so i will
just say something and had a good conversation and a great leader in the coast guard for years but online 11 to read these - - that tsa needs to take actions with those security countermeasures and that tsa lacks basic information if that is effective to deter eventual tax on the aviation system. and those to institute reforms that tsa.
and to improve training so to partner with those airlines and others int understand as a successor how lucky we can be to have those guys as leaders but here is what i want to ask as a favor so to look at the gao report to make sure those acquisitions with that continued security of the aviation system?. >> absolutely. >> got one question on the
revised travel ban last sunday president trump issued the executive orderefinie that is indefinite they could not travel to the u.s. until such time as the president sees fit to remove them other countries listed in the travel plans are associated with the deadly terrorist attacks suffering from a humanitarian crisis. said president trump intends to cut emissions to have to think these actions may have an adverse impact. so could you share analystsetere to imposing a new ban? to
determine the of cost and benefit? and in terms of priority with the travel ban on take care of those attacks on the homeland?. >> we need better identity management, that is what this review was to do a thorough review of all theis countries. however we have structured that as soon as the country gives the esteemed -- us the sharing information we don't want people to be on a travel restriction. we are hoping this givesin incentive.o poin
refugees are not subject to the ban of any country. >> is that the top five action items?. >> i don't know if i have my priorities in that space buty getting sufficient information from foreign countries to prioritize targets of interest is a very high priority for us because the name of the game is judgment calls under timegh constraints and we cannot do that from the countries of origin. >> i don't often have the prior jersey since scheme in mind but in response our
particular piece to provide the best possible intelligence to a very complex decision in a predictable way so that the state department homeland's security will all these responsibilities can count on the best possible input we're forever limited in a concert -- constant effort. >> gang conclusion in thank you for your responses but it seems peculiar to me countries that never posed a threat to say you cannot come here we will not allow travto travel to our nation the yet other countries
still do. it seems peculiar. >> secretary to diane asked a team member to go to the u.s. immigration website to make sure it is still there and it is on page six of 27 because it is a frequently asked question with the daca applicant is that information i a share be used for immigration enforcement purposes? said they are told that the answers, individuals whose cases are pursued will not be referred to vice. i also have a two page b letter signed by secretary john since 2016 ready
indicated since daca was announced in 2012 we have consistently made clear the pressure provided would bepl safeguarded from other immigration related purposes.d purpos i would ask you to familiarize yourself withar these documents because we're asking -- talking about 700,000 right now who are in utter fear about their future and lives their family and employers and friends and you have a responsibility to be clear what your agency is doing to keeping a promise to thesese young people and thinking about their situation and they're future for i will also point out my past six months ago during the confirmation hearing about this document which was a memo from komen security indicating said the new party enforcement areas part
of the seventh is judgment of an immigration officer in their judgment to pose a risk to public safety. i asked you the murder the factors for consideration on how they should exercise that judgment know you have limited resources and potentially a lot of people could fall into that category per you indicated you would get back to me. and you have not done that. on a separate matter you indicated september 5th, at daca would be rescinded and thesese individuals have until october 5th to reapply waterfall -- or fall on the
status and identify those daca recipients their eligible? did you notify the directly?. >> we have not contacted each individual directly. >> see you gave them one month only. to apply to read new their status that requires formsthosem and requires by october 5th to provide $495 application fee. with id one month? two passport photographs that cost between 15 and $20 for the federal minimum wage is about $7.25 per hour. soda given the responsibilities they are required to meet to apply before october 5th with
the impact of harvey and burma and maria would you consider extending the deadline beyondhe dea october 5th?. >> kind is as passionate as you are to do the right thing and i commit to working with congress to do the right thing. constitutional program onlyht it to your in limbo is not the right answer. >> william extend this deadline also with those natural disasters?. >> we have not been notified that natural disasters have affected. there is a money issue that is simple. >>.
>> steve decker 700,000 young people because theyec cannot come up with money in one month?. >> it is not my eight responsibility to come up with the statute that is congress. >> who came up this decision to give them one month?. >> that is something we came up with to end the program in a compassionate manner. >> would you consider extending that deadline?. >> senator i would point out once andriessen -- one of the reasons we asked obama to use executive authority it creates these issues. i wil i want to do what i need to do to solve this probleme with my republican colleagues we have six
months to do it. >> i agree that's pass the dream act. >> hopefully there is some give-and-take also to secure the border.all of t i think all of the of witnesses for your testimonynt v in the commitment to the nation and we thank you sincerely for or during that the hearing is adjourned. [inaudible conversations]ns