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everybody's attention please. all right. welcome to the met club thank you for coming out on this rainy evening and i know there's a lot of traffic and everything so we appreciate you coming here. we're absolutely delighted i'm not doing introduction yet but delighted to have dick march here the first time he's been here at the club. thank you, welcome to the met club. [applause] we're to have our friends from c-span here that's pretty cool so wave to the guys at c-span there. [laughter] yeah. okay just a couple of quick announcements, our next adventure at the club will be the first thursday. yeah, you will too. our next event here at the club will be first thursday october fifth and that will be our farewell party to our county chairwoman adele who she and her
husband moved to washington, d.c. her husband david who is a very noted economist is part of the easy under secretary the treasury for international monetary affairs. so he's been confirmed as undersecretary and treasury so they've moved so this, he apparently is going to be here that night too so i think it is a great opportunity for us to celebrate, you know, them and to wish them all of the best in washington and to keep up a good connection with washington. it's first thursday in october, october fifth, so we will, so that will be what like in two weeks or so. yeah, about two weeks from this week so it will be a great event. please make sure you come back far that. also i want to put in a plug here nice for all of us here to talk and complain about the city not going not right direction but mow is the time for us to be o doing something it be. it has been time get involved in campaigns. whether you want to get involved in the mayoral race are or whether you want to get involved in the city council race there's
plenty of candidates that need our help, and we can make a difference here. for instance, we're sitting in a district with a most republican district in manhattan, rebecca who is not here tonight but is running a very strong campaign, she ran for state is assembly last year so she has a lot of name recognition, if you want to get involved in her campaign or anybody else's campaign here -- in this city please see me or see ian where are you ian is is up there. ian is reb can's campaign manager so -- so please get involved. we need volunteers. there's a lot you can do to make a difference and it's now is the time because the -- election day is only like six or seven weeks away we're getting really close here so this is crunch time here. anyway, i'm not going to turn podium over to paul to introduce dick. [applause]
>> as deborah said we appreciate you coming out tonight it has been a crazy day in the city for sure so i really appreciate it i'm executive director of a manhattan organization. and our motto is pragmatic choices for brighter american future and what better guest than somebody that kind of experience in america today where not brought down by ideological data but down by pragmatic choices that make sense to the american citizens and there's no better time than that kind of thinking in american politics today. so not that he needs that much of an introduction, but dick moore is one of the finest political consultants in the united states today no doubt about it. i don't know if you can find a better mind in analyzing the political scope that we have today and he was bill clinton's top aid for many years and thank god for dig morris because he
did push bill clinton to the right and on many different things of the election. and he's author of 13 best "new york times" best seller books which is, you know, so crazy and so impressive, and hopefully you guys buy the book today real spooks wish it was about intelligence war on donald trump great read, so you know, i encourage you to buy that and do a book signing at the end. so without further adieu here's dick morris. [applause] whew. whew. [inaudible conversations] you don't have to worry about paying the rent for the building -- [inaudible conversations] good to be here. thank you, paul were for arranging this and c-span for covering it. you want me to -- here.
okay. over my diet coke. okay, good, with thank thank yo. i'm just curious i've been mentioning this on my facebook page where i have a show called state and on my website dick morris.com how many of you have heard about this event through either or both? okay. good, so this is your group. [laughter] these are your folks, good to be here. donald trump represents a very, very important change in our politics. and i don't think people realize the change because the media does not want to write about the change. because it basically tells the media that those people who you never count od and never talk to and never looked at really control the country.
and it's quit a shock for people. i'm going to tell you a cute story o where in 1995 in june, i was with president clinton i said you're so far behind in the polls you need to do some television advertising he said well it will be a sign of weakness i said you are -- and then he said well people won't give me money because they figure i won't win. i said well we'll keep it a secret. and he said you're going to be on television, how much are you going to spend i said about $2 million a week with all over the country. yeah, and you're going to keep it a secret, yeah. how are you planning to do that? i said well sir, we will advertise in the entire country but not in new york l.a. or washington. [laughter] and i guarantee you the media won't cover it and they didn't. they would never cover it. i remember once i was opening in "new york times" reading about how clinton's message which may
not be penetrating in washington was certainly opinion traiting in cincinnati, ohio where story was based because everybody is saying slogan back to us and hasn't realized it was on tv repeating every five minutes and -- because they were in the elite area, they just didn't mow what was going on in the rest of the country. and that really is emblematic of what the trump campaign is all about. as much as i love hillary clinton and you know of my deep affection for her as much as i adore the lady it was not her negatives that defeated her it wasn't even the russians or combmy combny or anybody i don't know if she knows she was defeated. [laughter] it was the, what it was was positives on donald trump.
i followed the polls very, very closely i would, and about three weeks before election day, 21 days out, about if you broke out in the national polling, people who were white had been to high school but not to college. and were men and you saw how they voted women in that category voted similarly but not quite as extreme as they were. but hose three groups white, male and high school graduate but not not college three weeks before the election day that group went for trump by 14 points. two weeks before election day, that group went for trump by 24 points. three weeks before election day, that group went for trump by 34 points. and on election day that group went for trump by 46 points. carrying them 66 to 20 he
carried a high school white women by about -- 35 points. not quite as much but still very significant margin. and those were people who were left out. they were people who nobody counted, nobody paid attention to, because they were not black and they were not lat know, and they were not disabled. and they were not gay and they were not trans and they were not but exist nonetheless and their needs and concerns were completely oably the rated in the national media. they fade no attention to them and they didn't exist. the phrase flyover country applies you go to l.a. to new york, and you ply over that's all that matters for -- and as i saw that group shift i realized this election was like an earthquake plates that were shifts and thing that i found most interesting -- is that if you compare florida
and north carolina on the one hand, with michigan, pennsylvania, ohio, and wisconsin on the other hand, in the two southern states with the economy hurt it was bad. but it wasn't a wipeout that had been a very good economy which was interrupted by the recession and then went down and then came back up and now it is doing basically fine in those areas trump ran two points ahead of romney but in the northeastern stays those four states trump ran 18 points better than romney. because there, they really got clobbers by the recession it was bad going in and worse coming out. and the economic situation just was desperate for them. and i read a fascinating speech by an ultra leftist michael moore. [laughter] but he -- but despite his ideology he really put it on the head.
he said i sit here, and first i lose my job then i lose my pension. then i lose my car. then i lose my house. then my wife takes my kids and then i lose my wife. and i've lost everything that is to lose because of the economy. and there was only one thing i have not lost. that vote -- and that vote is going to enable me to get back out of this horrible situation in which i find myself in which i have lost everything. not just a job, not just you know the way we would if we lose a job well good riddance we'll get another one next week or next month or whatever. this was -- dislocation is so profound. and trump understood that and he
tapped into that and in economic terms he really redefined the constructs of economic progress which was that you start with barter, no economic system at all. then you move to feudalism where you're so insecure about getting killed bid vikings or something, you sell all of your rights to to the feud of the lord and give them crop and he runs your life and in return he protects you. then nations began to emerge and the nation protected you. and what the nation wanted in return was all the money so that led to mercantilism where you go arngdz looking for gold and you bring it home to spain. then capitalism came and based on markets and capitalism that we know. but what's after capitalism? the communist said socialism and then communism. the five stages of history
feudalism, barter feudalism communism, but the capitalists never really answered that question. and trump in effect is answering it. he's saying the capitalism left unfettered is a pyramid, very sharp pyramid like in egypt there's one guy on top named baso or something or jobs. one guy -- who controls everything and everybody is underneath him in a periodal situation and trump said that few f you let the economy go on its own people are going to say i want the most efficient means of production and most efficient means of production is robots you have to get rid of people just have robots do it and fire everybody reduce your labor cost enormously.
and make profits for your investor and for your top management but ofng the flaw of that is that you may not need them as producers because robot may be able to do the job. but you sure need them as kiewrls. because the robots not going to spend much on fashion each year. [laughter] and you orvel can't have an economy of one in that sense. and what he's really saying is we have to take care and protect and work to help those people who would just placed by that who are moved to side, and that fundamentally even if they sees to be producers, we need them as consumers. for our economy to comengs plus society have some cohesion and fortunately the constitution does not say one robot one vote. [laughter] so if we plan on keeping democratic society opposed to
dictatorship we better damn well make sure that the guy casting the vote is a little happier than the average robot, and he had brings these new perspectives to capitalism and to the economy. so he says yes we need free trade absolutely. but treat free trade can't be erased to the bottom. if it is it means that the united states now is competing with the workers and the poorest countries in the world pep and our people have to compete with the people of bangladesh and get their income way, way down so that they can compete with that. and if you give them machines and it make them more productive ultimately machines are all over the place and his point, and help the bank bangladesh person and integrate the needs of the country and needs of that people with that country, and in a
strange way the world is round. and that ideology has a lot in common with the occupy wall street ideology of the extreme left talking about redistribution and income and talking about the need to protect people and so forth. but he calls for a revision of the traditional conservative economic doctrine. traditional conservatism says no restraighten on free trade you have to do it to stop countries manipulate tradition doctrine says free flow of labor and trump says that mean it is that you can't really work for a living and make a living. abraham lincoln was a republican. because he saw slavery as the impediment to the market economy and used to work on a farm for his dad tom lincoln. and he hated every minute of it. he hated farming. he split rail but hated to do
if. and he wanted to make a living to move up. and at some point he left his farm and went to the mississippi river and got a job as a river boat guy. and river boat pilot, and he got a cash wage he said this is incredible. this is what i can use to move myself up. but how can i possibly do that in a society where 8 million people can be beaten into working for nothing. i can't. i can't compete with nothing. and that was really the basis for his opposition to slavery. not just that it was immoral in everything. but that it made it impossible for the basic class to move up. it made upward mobility impossible and it is doing the same thing here in the united states. it you took, if you look at the senses and you look at every single job that was created in america, since the year 2000,
they bifurcated rather they not but they do between born in the u.s. and not born in the u.s.. the not born includes naturalize citizens in a lot of people who should be here and are here. but they do it based on birth and the net outcome since the year 2000 for people who have been born in the united states is negative. job lost fewer of them working than in the year 2000. all of the gains and job growth about 25% have been among people not born in the united states. and that underscores the point that immigration serves to keep our wages at the bangladesh level that stops you can't raise them that somebody is willing to work for almost nothing just as abe lincoln found. i think that trump embodied these ideas and brought them forth in a very important way. but in doing so he challenges
every tenant of the establishment every single idea that they've had. sh the most fundamental idea that he challenges is the nation's state. in his speech today at the u.n. he used the word sovereignty for equivalent 19 times, because he makes the point that with this is not going to be one world. and if it is one world we would out. [laughter] i mean, 60% of that one world live in our countries. so when the united states votes in the u.n. it represents 330 million people when china votes in the u.n. it represents about 8 and when russia votes it represents putin, and -- [laughter] and how can you equate them as equivalent give them one vote each. and his point is that sovereignty, national
sovereignty giving people the right to control their own destiny through their own country is the foundation of our government and of our political theory. the whole idea that if you make money and you live in anything other than a democracy it can be taken away from you without your consent. but if you lived in authoritarian country what's the point in private property someone can come along and take it away from you therefore the fundamental element of the market economy doesn't exist in three quarters of the wolfed and his point is we don't want to go to their level. we want to force them to come up to it our level, and we want to protect our people from being forced into that lower level. so i believe beat threats to our sovereignty see norms in new
york city politics, there was a point when the irish and italian and german and asian immigrants came in massive number and changed voting habits in new york city so that the establishment, the ross, people that used to occupy o buildings like this no longer control the city politics but hall did to manipulating masses of immigrants as they came off the vote. the boat. so what the brumins did to not let the cities do anything but put all of the power at state level where all of the call farmers can vote with us and we can outvote all of the street people in new york. then around the 1950s and 60s the racist and the south began to run their states like plantations discriminating horribly against black poem and anyone else they could find.
so the liberals of that era said let's take power away from the states and invest it in the federal government with the fair minded people of new york who compensate for the bigots in alabama running country that way. now, in a sense the globalist is saying let's take the decision making away from washington and put it in new york. with the global experts can run things. and when you think about it, the global experts, the dictatorship of the bureaucracy is the system they're used to. in europe, you know democratic heritage, italy has been a functioning democracy for about ten minutes now. [laughter] yerm is at 60 years france hasn't bng functional since 1868 as a democracy and britain and the united states. and everybody else has a very limited -- heritage of democracy, and in
european history, it dates from 1848 the year of revolution throughout europe. and that revolution came to germany. and the german people rose up to people and demanded an overthrow of the military generation that was running the country. and our bismarck was the prime minister then and he went to those people and he said hey guys come it in. how about if i give you workers compensation, health insurance, welfare, back then there was no concept retirement assumption you work until you die before you die you should carve out time to have to yourself and he laid this program out that subsequently became the new deal and then became the democratic party and he said in return for that, give up democracy. forget the democracy stuff. it was called christian
democracy party get rid of all of that and we'll give you all of the social goodie and that deal that undercourt underscored german politics in the 19th century continues today. it is essentially what the left offers. we'll give you goodies but don't insist on power let us have the power. but instead of a government of our -- from birth it is government of that from schools, you know, i went to oxford, cambridge i went to the sore bun, and you perpetuated yourself. so that the european union is really an effort by the experts by the bureaucrats to assert their power over the populous and over the average person i was one of the leaders of the brexit campaign. and that analysis really -- [applause] thank you. i had a really cute moment there. they were talking to me about
their issue and fish, farming, manufacturing, currency, immigration, and they said how do we put this in slogan? so i said you know what your slogan should be, no. hopefully pronounce a three-year-old would, no! so question took the e.u. picture and we put a slash through it. and we had gold stars on the outside and blue on the inside the european flag. so it was like "ghostbusters," no, to europe, and that embodied the whole campaign but that is their tradition of inherited power. whether it be by -- a education. and that is the establishment that would like to rule in the u.s. today. in the imf treasury department, remember interest rates used to be the subject of political debate and then the --
feds said basically you're not smart enough to do that leave it to us we're the experts and we'll tell you when what the interest rate ought to be and you damn well better obey it, and the, of course, in national security, it became the pentagon, the military industrial complex, and, of course, the intelligence community. and they basically said, we're going to run this country for you. we're going to tell you what you ought to do. and then what about the president? well, you see for four, eight years i'm here for 20 or 30. and he doesn't know much, and i know everything. so he better follow my lead. when i worked for clinton, in the first year or two of his administration, i went to him and i like to sass him with a same age, and i said you know -- you're not old enough to run your own foreign policy yet. [laughter] tony -- lake in national security
advisor and warren christopher secretary of state they'll run it for you and when you turn 11:they'll relinquish their guardianship and you can run foreign policy. and he said they don't give me any options they come to me and say there's three things you can blow i the world do nothing or do what we recommend and he said i never get alternatives that's a quotes i never get options from them and that's how they govern they basically fence in the president. so that he has no choice but to go in the direction they want and they're very clear about what they want. and the bureaucracy extends from limit fields that i talked about about but into all of the department when is we worked for clinton we proposed 13, 14th and grades kind of what sanders is pushing now we passed it but then the state legislators took all of the money and used it for themselves and kids were screwed
again but i went to the department of education i said this is what the president would like to do and they said no, we don't think so. we want the money put into reading programs, and remedial math and social counseling for at risk children. that's what we want to spend it on. and i said well he's decided he wants two grades free and he said no that's not the right way to go an they fought on and on with me for an hour or more. i said you know the president kind of tall guy, weird southern accent he says this is what he wants. and we damn well better do it. and eventually i had to have the president call the secretary of education and say this is what i want. the bureaucracy is so intent on moving in its own direction its own speed in its own way, that it could care less what the elected leadership of the country thinks. in europe for example -- if i go to you and i say the politician says a -- but the elected official says b.
the european will say oh, the elected official is an expert he's been studying this his whole life he's not motivated by partisan consideration, i'm going to listen to him. in america we say who elected the appointed guy we elected the president he has power and lingt city from that election. we're going to listen to him. ... and determined to save themselves from this petulance that arrives every four years and an elected president that would like to change things.
now it is time to introduce him to donald trump. [laughter] you can understand the rest may have. oh my god this guy is going to overthrow everything! and then, right as he was taking office we did he appoint to run the intelligence community? but their worst nightmare, michael flynn. who as head of the defense intelligence agency, fired everybody! he had this crazy idea that intelligence agents should leave their desks and go into afghanistan and give us guidance from within the country rather than just reading books and magazines. and they all hated it and they forced him out. he was fired and now he is back!and the bull that was going to break everything in the china shop. and he brought in all kinds of people like steve bannon and others that were determined to change things and orient things in the way the president wanted. not the deep state, not the permanent government.
and they decided very early on that this guy had to go. they just could not put up with him. this was not the first time the establishment and decided that. i'm not going to get into theories about the kennedy assassination. because they are controversial, i do not know what happened, nobody does. but there is a school of thought that says that kennedy wanted to end the cold war. that he was freaked by the cuban missile crisis where the world almost got blown up. and in retrospect by the way, there were people like the secretary of state that wanted to bomb cuba and he said there are no mission trips are, you can't traffic can do it. by the way there were many of them and we would have had a world war. we came that close doing it bobby kennedy shifted the consensus of the last minute. but when kennedy saw it happen he was completely freaked.he said we have to end this thing.
we have to de-escalate. so he fired the cia and had a test ban treaty with the russians, then the beginning of the escalation. and he gave a speech shortly before his death talking about the importance of changing direction in a fundamental way. then three months later he was assassinated in a plot that certainly has the footprints in the fingerprint of elements of the deep state in it. and not willing to look further than that because i do not want to make that assertion but i want you to think about it. then we had another example when nixon was president. in a grantee that he richly deserved being impeached, he was guilty of everything that they said he was in then more. but he clearly wanted a change in the way the world worked. and to transform a policy into a tri-focus including china. clearly, that represented a threat to the establishment.
and we know what happened to him. we are accustomed to seeing -- as a medicaid agent that spilled the beans. he wasn't, he was the acting head of the fbi. he was j edgar hoover. hoover was dead, he was his successor. not officially. ella patrick gray was but he was an idiot and did nothing. i mean a figurehead. and martin ran the show. so when he was telling woodward and bernstein here is what you need to do to overthrow the president of the united states, does that sound familiar? then you came to iran-contra. which was designed to derail ronald reagan. by hoisting him on the boland amendment because he insisted on giving money to freedom fighters in central america. so this history of the deep state toppling regimes that it didn't like exists in american
history. and does it exist in world history! can someone pass me a copy of my book? i want to redo something. i got it. never mind! how many of you have seen the movie homeland? the t.v. series? okay. well, this is a quote - from it. and the character who is the head of the cia, he is talking to the president elect and he says, you're missing it right now. it is happening in front of your face. we have a determined disinformation campaign designed to discredit the president-elect. and as of today, we have boots on the ground like the protesters i had to wade through to get here. that we had to wait through to
get here. does that sound familiar to any of you because it shows estimates? is what we did nicaragua, chile and a dozen other places although it back to iran in the 1950s. and it does not end well for the elected regime. don't you get it? you're fighting for your life. you cannot afford to stay neutral. and that, the cia basically studied and perfected a method of ousting dictatorships and worse, ousting democracies when people voted for the liberal government like in chile. it included leaks to a compliant media that would run disinformation, a scandal that would discredit the president and keep him on the defensive and all kinds of stuff and that ousting him from office. and that is precisely and exactly what they are doing. it is the same playbook. you see, eight years ago when obama took office, he realized
that the permanent establishment, deep state was white and male and conservative and did not want him as president. and he let them be in power. they would destabilize him. they would like him in the back, they would topple him. so the first thing he did was to point ultra radicals in charge of the fbi and the cia. eric in the fbi is the ag and john brennan in the cia. brennan is so radical that in 1976 election, imported communist because jimmy carter was not liberal enough for him. literally voted for the communist party candidate. and brennan and holder were under instructions to fire everybody. get rid of everybody in your agencies. take these agencies that had been the bastions of the right, the fbi, fighting communist, liberals all over the united states and hounding them and violating their civil liberties.
and the cia, going abroad in search of regimes that weren't coming online, even if they were moderately -- the cia tried to topple them and put them on the list. they give 70 percent of money to the christian democratic party that it raised in italy during the 1960s and 70s. to stop the communists from taking italy. and with it, went disinformation and sabotage and the whole deal. but now, brennan and holder turned the agencies from bright red to deep blue. they became apostles, and of capitalism and democracy but of the left wing tenants of this governance and collectivism of the obama agenda. but they still remembered their playbook. they still remembered the moves. but now they were deploying them on behalf of the left, not
of the right. and run donald trump the elected surprisingly, they called all the guys together and said stay at your desk. do not leave. do not quit, do not resign. remain in your position. we will transfer you to civil service jobs so you cannot be fired. and over 1000 top officers at the cia and fbi within a 10 week. transferred from appointed to civil service positions for precisely that reason. and they said, your mission is to stay behind and sabotage this administration from within. when the soviet armies were retreating in world war ii, they would leave political commissaries behind deliberately to go into the villages and organize the resistance. and that is literally what brennan and holder did. so there was this resistance from the intel community.
what they used to get rid of donald trump was his absolute total fiction and fantasy that russia was colluding with him to influence the outcome of the us election. total and complete fantasy. yesterday, they published the phone he adds that the russians apparently put on facebook and this is supposed to be evidence of their winning the election. urging people to come out and join anti-immigrants or favoring firearms. i mean, this was during the election? it is very similar to what the communist party did in the 1950s and 60s. using the civil rights movement to try and infiltrate the democratic party and make it into an arm of the communist political system. that is a guy named stanley levinson the head of the party that is also the head of the southern poverty law center and johnson got bobby kennedy firearm and that led to kennedy being wiretapped but anyway ã
the point is that the left completely controlled these and they created this fiction that russia and donald trump were in cahoots. and it began to acquire life when the democratic national convention came and the computers were hacked and the emails were exposed. now i believe that was a league, not 1/2. yes, because it never mentioned hillary. they never mentioned donald trump, they were all directed at the internal operations of the democratic party during the primary. in which wasserman schultz elevated hilary and helped her and denigrated sanders although her position required neutrality. and the people that leaked that were furious about that.and they wanted to expose what they were doing. and that is what it was about. now, to death that was running and by the way -- democratic
committee refused to let the fbi have the computers to examine them. to examine the hack. it would not even let them into the committee to examine them. and then reasonably, a group of retired cia people called vips, veteran intelligence professionals said, this could not have been done remotely by russia. you had to have physically been there with a flash drive or a thumb drive to get the information out of the computer. but to dust it was running hillary's campaign and saw an issue. hilary had been shooting negatives at donald trump and they bounce off of my thoughts off of the armor of a tank. donald trump university, the tax returns, importing ties and clothing from central or south america. none of that stuff, bankruptcies, casinos, none of that stuff worked. so they cooked up this whole idea that he was being controlled by the kremlin and
by the russians. and they hired a guy named christopher steele for $160,000 working through a group called fusion to come up with material proving this collision. now, i blew that there was a foreign power. that intervened to frame results but i do not believe it was russia. i believe that it was britain. and steel is a form of british agent who was a spy in moscow for three years. donald trump has scared the heck out of the british establishment by endorsing brexit and by opposing nato and opposing the united nations. and they had extensive reason to fear donald trump. but whoever did it, they came up with this dossier that have repaid $160,000 and it was a totally flawed piece of garbage!
it said for example that the go-between that arranged the collusion was a guy named michael cohen. he was the guy. and he flew back and forth from new york to prague during the whole summer of 2016 arranging this collision. and then time produces a passport and he had never been different. he had never been to the czech republic. he had spent the whole summer in the states. and then they fingered a guy named -- that they say with the person who hacked the democratic computer and it turned out that he was in a penal colony in siberia without access to phone or computer for pedophilia of all things! and could not possibly have done that. and one after another the myths and this just came flying apart including the prostitutes peeing on the bed. and it just became a laughable piece of garbage. and nobody in the american media would touch it.
they would not publish it no matter how hard they shopped it. because they were afraid of it was unsubstantiated. then, steel took fit to james comey and james comey so this is ridiculous. you have to substantiate this and verify it for us to use it. and he then offered to pay him $50,000 to do so. in the middle of an election campaign, offering to subsidize the negative research of the democratic party against the republican party. he said i can't do it. i don't know who the sources were. he said i did not write it. he said i got it entirely from unsolicited anonymous sources. and i was sent this and all it did was compile this. he swore under oath that that was the case. that raises an interesting question. who fed him this garbage? and i believe it may have been the cia and the fbi. to develop this storyline in
the first place. in the cia and the fbi refused to answer the question whether they had an ongoing financial relationship with steel. we know that they did work together to investigate the soccer scandal in 1991 and that they had a history together. and we do not know the answer to that yet. it is one of the key things that grassley and feinstein are going to uncover in the senate intelligence committee hearings.as to who created this dossier. but the dossier, with all its flaws became the basis for getting pfizer warrants to wiretap carter page, one of donald trump's so-called volunteers and paul manifort, the campaign manager! and transports of the fbi is wiretapping me. and he said you are crazy. they weren't wiretapping him, they were wiretapping the guy that you spoke to five times an hour.paul manifort, the
campaign chairman. -- death and there was no other piece of evidence linking transport to the kremlin in any way.anyway, so then before the election, steel in his guys try to peddle this dossier to get it printed and nobody will touch it. not a single blogger or internet company would print it. so right after the election, they go to a conference in nova scotia where john mccain is speaking. and they go up to mccain and say hey, there is this dossier, and mccain says yes, i know about it i have heard about it. and they said, we have to get you a copy. and he said okay that's fine just send it to my office. and they said no, it doesn't work that would be you go to heathrow airport, meet flight abc, go into the baggage claim and you'll find a guy there reading the financial times. have your agents go up to him, exchange a word code and then you'll get a copy of it. by the way, that is a comment
and limited circulation. one guy in heathrow reading -- [laughter] but that was the message. so now mccain has a copy of it and the first thing he did was bring it and give it to james comey. and now he has, he has seen it before and he knows but now he is officially received it from a republican senator.she has the excuse to bring it upstairs to the president obama who has 11 days left in his term. obama takes it, they give it to congressional leaders and five minutes later it leaks in the media.and it is all over the press. for the first time. still nobody believes it because it is so obvious garbage. then brennan and holder get a hold of these guys when they said stand by your desks, be our most, infiltrating this administration to bring it down. and they orchestrate like a
conductor, a crescendo of leaks to justify the idea of this collision. the biggest one is three weeks after donald trump took office. when the new york times ran a lead article saying that the fbi had overheard russian and tell officials plotting the collusion with senior members of donald trump staff.and they had a recording of the conversations. james comey called reince priebus the night that came out and said, i am sorry this is not true. i do not know where it came from but it is totally inaccurate.we never overheard that, we have no tapes or anything. and reince priebus said do not deny it to me, go outside. there are battering down my door and say it ain't so. and james comey said, we cannot dignify every leak involving the bureau with a press statement. it would be beneath the dignity of the bureau. that is one of the reasons why donald trump loved james comey. and then, now it was out.
it was ratified by the new york times. it was four months until james comey said to the committee, this was garbage, it never happened and it was disinformation.i am sorry i do not know how it came out. in those four months, it became the conventional wisdom. and that conventional wisdom led to sidetracking jeff sessions, to firing michael flynn, to not trusting trump and firing james comey and lead into a special prosecutor.it is still the basis of a pfizer warrant on paul manifort and the campaign team. and the whole purpose of this was to discredit the president-elect and then the president with a massive well disinformation. and that is what happened then, that is what's happening now. [laughter] [applause] now, where it is headed?
obviously, they have no way to establish that there was collusion because clearly there was not. and more importantly, they cannot point to anything that russia did to influence the outcome of the election. putting little ads on the internet saying, and attend an anti-immigration rally in union square. that is not going to happen. and there is no evidence or even suggestion of anything they might have done to turn the election around. and i know something about winning elections. there was nothing that could possibly even remotely rise to that level. it's like a popgun against a machine gun. so the cannot prove that and they won't. their strategy is not to have a special prosecutor, a special prosecutor can look at anything he finds and prosecute any crime that he stumbles upon. i mean, kenneth starr was hired to investigate a real estate deal in arkansas and he ended up investigating oral sex in
the white house. [laughter] >> a little bit of a difference. but somehow or other it all came with in the peer review of the special prosecutor.so now they are going to paul manifort and squeezing him he got 10 or $20 million in cash from the bad guys in the ukraine. i work for the good guy in the ukraine.we beat him and every member having left with paul manifort when he was named campaign chairman and saying, i've so enjoyed beating you. and he said, i was paid 10 million, how much were you paid? he did not really say to million but he said i was paid a lot. what were you paid?and i said i did it pro bono. but the point was, they can go after him for anything. did he report every penny of that? did he sign the disclosure that he is working for a foreign government?did he report all of his lobbying activities? all of that stuff is fair game
and the prosecutor will go after it and will try to nail paul manifort with it. and then he will go after everybody. there is a guy named carter page in their sites. carter page is a long time representative i think of goldman sachs in russia. and he gave speeches during the campaign saying that it was his opinion that if donald trump was elected he would lift sanctions on russia and he claimed to be a trumpet advisor. and in the middle of the campaign donald trump people wrote him a letter saying you're not a trump advisor, you never have been. you've never met donald trump, you've never been in the same room with donald trump. so please stop telling people that you are in inside advisor. and because he had prophesies the sanctions might be lifted, he is now going to be a witness. they will blow his testimony up until the end of the world. this combination of a totally compliant press hand in glove with the intelligence community
using this information and links to frame a second president, is literally what we are looking at today. and if this succeeds, donald trump is gone. but more important, so is elected government in the united states. every president will be looking over his shoulder like he is in argentina saying what are the general thinking? [laughter] i know what the voters say but what is the military thinking? because the intelligence community will have manifested its ability to ask the president of the united states. in 1970s, ted carter wanted to clean up the cia. so he appointed ted sorensen, kennedy's chief advisor, to be directed. all of the sudden all of the marital history of sorensen with his first wife and that he was a conscientious objector during world war ii, all kinds of crack came out and sorensen had to withdraw his nomination. the deep state taking care of its own and stopping a liberal from taking over that agency
who could expose them for they had been doing. now, i believe that there are two key ways to defeat this. the first is i believe that we need a prosecutor of our own to investigate the leaks that are the core of the mueller investigation. where did we get the information that paul manifort made almost $100 million in eastern europe? not from paul manifort, but leaks from the special prosecutor.where did we get the information that after his house was searched, the agents told him you will be indicted? we got that from the investigation. all of these guys are specialists in leaking and they are using leaking to build a case in public before any defense attorney can be called, before the charges are put in writing, before any of the procedural norms take place to create an atmosphere so prejudicial that the
convictions for any of their indictments are almost inevitable. secondly, there was a lot here that needs investigating. apart from this ridiculous story a russian collision. what did bill clinton ask of loretto lynch on that airplane? [applause] what was behind james comey saying that he would exonerate hilary before she was even testified or before he had spoken to any of the 16 witnesses that he had called. what about the paper placed about the state department? even more coming out yesterday about the pay for play. -- [inaudible] all of this stuff is not coming out and it is all pay for play.
you have a prosecutor investigating that and putting these guys back on defense. but there is another strategy i think it's important to understand. you can impeach a president who has 60 percent approval. it does not matter with the legal, this is not a legal proceeding. this is a political proceeding. this is not a random jury. this is the u.s. senate elected, the house of representatives elected. and if you have a president on the ropes with a 40 percent approval rating, you might be able to impeach him. but if you have got a president like i helped build bill clinton out to be, with 62 percent approval, during the impeachment, he ain't going anywhere. nobody is going to throw him out of office. and evidence does not even matter at that point. it is a political proposition. you will not take this president who is creating jobs,
turning the economy around obviously doing an incredible job and throw him out because 20 years ago, he got money from russians who might have mob ties who bought apartments in his real estate development and he made a lot of money and the money they used to buy the apartments may have been laundered but trump may not have known about it. on that basis we are not going to thought a president who's doing a good job. and my belief is that what donald trump needs to do is to do just what he's doing. raising his ratings, governing with an eye toward accomplishing his agenda but also making himself more popular in the process. people are saying that trump is someone out and caving into the deep state. well, there are some times when he is going to trim somewhat and i do not object to it. take daca for example. to me, what's important about daca is not the principle that if you came here illegally,
even if you were an infant is assigned that you not be rewarded the ability to stay here illegally. i don't think that is particularly important. i think it's finally just do not become a citizen. so you cannot be the anchor of home immigration chain and bringing a spouse, mother, father, third uncle once removed. and bring in an entire village with the all of home then have the right to be their own anchors, to bring millions of people in. i believe that if trump use that approach as i think he will, i think he may make some concessions. but on the other hand i think it will be very good and think it will work out very well. and i think he needs to move aggressively and getting rid of obamacare. the bill that is pending now in the senate is a very good one. it was originally ted cruz's idea. which was to give the money to the state and let them set up their own system where nothing
or anything in between. but if it doesn't work, there is an administrative way to get rid of obamacare. and if you go to my website, dick morris.com and sign up to get my columns each day and by lunch alerts broadcast, you will learn it. i think what obama can do is to send i am not going to enforce the mandate. as president, i can decide that the irs was after and does not go after and when i place premiums on tax cheats -- if you want to send in a voluntary contribution of one percent of your income because you do not have insurance, be my guest. and we will use it to reduce the national debt. but in the meantime we cannot refill that provision so we will not enforce it. it will sit there and it will be a meaningless mandate. and then the problem in replacing obamacare is that it
makes it illegal to go out and buy health insurance that does not contain all of the bells and whistles obamacare requires you to have. i'm the 70 your old man. i need maternity benefits, substance abuse, psychotherapy, sex change, anything that is there i have to be in a position to get. well, if i go out and get a policy where i say that is not what i need. i just need bare-bones if i get cancer or heart disease. get run over by a bus. you're not allowed to buy that. and i would like a lower premium for that. we are not allowed to operate. but there is a loophole in god that obama put into the bill. it said that if it is a limited duration policy, which obama defined as three months, an emergency, you do not have to include all of the bells and whistles.there is nothing on god's green earth to present the president from declaring the limited. to be 150 years.
[laughter] and you're not required to do that. what will happen then is you have two systems, the subsidized system that will have very high premiums that no one can afford, services no needs and the free market system that will work very well. what about the people that are very sick, need a lot of care because they have pre-existing conditions and no health insurance will be able to cover them. i say put them on medicare, take them out of the system and say you are now an honorary 65-year-old and will cover you to medicare. in the last year of obamacare's existence most recent year, most recent year -- hundred 32,000 people fell into that category. and of them, 6000 accounted for half of the cost. so cover them with medicare! what is the big deal? you do not have to redraw a whole system to be able to accommodate those people.
now tax reform. make it voluntary. don't go around and tell people that you cannot detect your mortgage interest. you cannot deduct your state and local taxes. you cannot deduct your charitable contributions. say, deduct to your heart's content! but in case you do not want to, instead of 36 percent we will charge you 21 percent. and you take no deductions at all. and you do the math. if you come out better than use the short form. if you come out better, use the long form. but there is a trick! americans spend $1.7 trillion of money that they give to the government on personal income tax. but they also spent $409 billion filling out the damn forms. and if you eliminate the forms, you eliminate the 409 billion and people get to keep the money. and everybody but a moron is going to say, i want to use a
short form. and all the lobbyists to go around saying, you bought this house, you relied on this deduction, you live in new york, the legislature is nuts, we raise your taxes, you need to deduct them. we say yeah, go ahead, be my guest! but if it does not work out that well for you, use a short form that you can fill out on a postcard and everyone will. there is a whole series of things like this that trump needs to do. i'm working on helping to feed these ideas in. because i believe that no president with 60 percent approval rating can be thrown out of office in a democracy. and that is why think we are ultimately going to be left with. thank you. [applause] happy to take questions. this gentleman here.
>> thank you so much for coming. you mentioned how president obama removed a lot of the deep state and some of the civil service problems why the president trump cannot do. what can he do? is it possible for him to eliminate some of this now? >> you can move them to the bureau and in anchorage alaska. [laughter] with a limited clothing allowance.the deal is that once they're in civil service, they are stuck with them. but they can't to tell you what to work on what or under what working conditions.and he can deal with it. but understand, how deep the deep state runs and the fbi. here we have president trump, we have attorney general sessions. we have the director of the fbi. and still that bureau will not turn over haley's emails because they say nobody wants to see them. there is no public interest in doing so.
that is how deep that deep state runs. we have to work like crazy to get rid of it. it's like a wisteria bush in the garden. [laughter] yes? [inaudible question] >> yet, but they needed for c-span. >> hello. mr. morris, you mentioned james comey. what was the passion to totally support previous administration hillary when he originally -- what made him move totally sabotage -- >> principal let me question your fundamental assumption. it was that comey sabotaged hillary. the fact of the matter is that james comey looked at haley's emails and he said that they show that you were fast and loose with national security. to the point of criminality. but we can show that you are
motivated by anything other than loyalty to the country for yourself and that you did not have criminal intent so we will not prosecute. that is where it stood in early july. then in the middle of august, prosecutors for the fbi who had nothing to do with the email scandal were investigating congressman anthony weiner. for sexting and they went to his computer and they saw all of the porn and underneath that they say haley's emails. 13,000 of them. she never turned over. which she turned over to aberdeen who put them in her husband's computer so she could say no, sir, i do not have those emails and they are not in my position. they are on her husband's computer.and then james comey said i want to read them. and then he announced that it was reopened because we have to read this. and it was because she plotted
to hide the emails until she was caught red-handed to before the election. that is the basis of the case. they always leave that information out. what motivates james comey i think is a healthy sense of publicity. a healthy sense of making himself irreplaceable in the country. and i think that there is a real measure vehicle behind this. and james comey's best friend is robert mueller. they work together incredibly. they would appear that prosecuted martha stewart. you probably did insider-trading but forgot states, we never prosecuted anyone at citibank.but we are going after martha stewart? for insider trading? i mean, you know -- it was kind of overzealous shall we say? because of the headlines that it would attract. i think that james comey is really a publicity seeker. i look forward to his being indebted to reveal what went on with loretta lynch and all of
that. 201-748- defines the did you ever go to the deposit of motor vehicles to renew your license? >> did you say that the deep that is the democratic party? >> no, it is both parties. did you ever go to the motor vehicles to get your license renewed? the lady that there is the deep state. only it is the same in the fbi and everywhere else. it is the person that will never leave. >> next question? >> mr. morris, thank you very much for being here tonight.
you mentioned about senators grassley and feinstein investigating the dossier situation. the thing is that we so what happened when -- was investigating benghazi and nothing came of it. i'm just wondering, are they going to be any more successful and why hasn't anything else come out about who hired fusion gps to compile this dossier in the first place? >> region refuses to turn over documents. christopher still is hiding in britain where he is not an american so we cannot subpoena him. we have asked the british courts to do and they will. will get answers to that stuff. but i don't know if he saw the benghazi story two days ago on sunday on tucker carlson. i was involved in that. there was a company that has just come forward now that was hired to protect the benghazi
compound. 11 days before the attack the state department said, the guys in charge now are not doing the job. we want to elbow them aside and put you guys in. and they came but they were two or three weeks too late. they could have deployed three weeks after the attack. and unlike the guards that were there, they were armed. because the state department insisted that the current guards not be armed. wooden batons against machine guns and grenade throwers. and this implicates hillary deeply because she obviously knew that the benghazi compound was under serious threat because her people moved to replace the guards 11 days before the attack took place. fascinating development. >> is this on?
todd would with the washington times. i met with dana -- last week and he had just met with a staunch -- he met with asange. you know anything about this at all? >> well -- is suspect me. he has always been relatively friendly with the kremlin. but on the other hand, he seemed to have the truth about wikileaks. which is that they did not hack hillary's computer.that was more likely a leak than a hat. so i'm interested in knowing that. the issue of general kelly is troubling to me. for those of you who are old enough to remember holderman, who was nixon's gatekeeper. the gatekeeper can be very very effective and really keep the president from learning when he needs to learn.
and the president can sometimes very limited in his ability to overcome that. when i left for clinton in 1995, 96, we were determined to get boris yeltsin reelected president of russia. talk about meddling in a campaign. so clinton asked me how can we help him? and i said well, take my partner. a guy named dresdner. call him and get him to hire him. and then dresdner will be his posterior. it will give me yeltsin -- our ticket into you at night and we would be his political consultants. and he said this way because he trusts me because they don't know anything about politics because they grew up in russia. so he did that. and yeltsin hired dresdner. and every week dresdner would give me the polling. i would meet with cleansing of the white house. everybody else left just the two of us.and we would knock
out his strategy. he should go to georgia tomorrow, you should go to ukraine the next day, you should sign this bill, oppose that bill. and then he put yeltsin on the hotline and tell him what to do. at one point literally structuring the television commercials. he was supposed to run and not was an incredible effort entirely secret. and talk about meddling in a campaign! we were running his campaign! in russia! [laughter] at one point sandy berger, the national security advisor came over to me and said are you giving the president dresdner's poles? and i said yes. and he said i thought so because the other day at a meeting with cia, he was courting polling data that is not from our poles. and i said well, i thought he would use the accurate data for a change. [laughter] and he said no, do not give it to the president. it will blow up, it will be better for everybody.
and i said okay sandy i'll ask him. so i then went to clinton and isaac berger says such and such. what should i do? and clinton said keep giving me the poles would tell them you're not. and the president is tracked by that deep state. trapped by kelly. you can break free but it takes a lot to do that. very hard to do that. particularly when the media is flawed with stuff that your administration is in disarray, it is chaos, nobody is talking to anybody, you do not not to be president, you are in over your head. and if you were to fire kelly, the stories would all be now we are back to chaos, he moved up in his ratings because of kelly's discipline but now it's gone and kelly is sort of put in their by the deep state to work with them to keep the president under control. mcmaster as well. and that is why they get rid of bannon who was really the enemy of the deep state. and in a very fundamental way.
if you have any other questions mr. washington times, please ask! [laughter] >> i am the backup. the question of immigration. from a personal point of view, on the east side of manhattan and 90 block stretch, i have been there and i cannot recall in the last 10 to 15 years having a cabdriver who was born in this country. and it is very easy to tell. now very candidly, let's be serious. this country's economy would collapse without these people doing things that neither you or i or anybody in this room would do. do you have a comment, sir? >> i totally disagree with that. [inaudible] >> he is saying that if we got rid of illegal
immigrants nobody will be left to do the jobs. i am saying that nobody would be left to do the jobs at the dirt wages that they get paid because of the competition from the third world. but there was a census study about one year ago. it showed that 70 percent of the landscape employees in the country, are citizens that something like 60 percent of the hospitality and restaurant workers are citizens. these are jobs that people would be very willing to form if the competition for them raised wages to acceptable levels. and if it did that, they would be willing to do it. and that includes agricultural workers. and i believe that that is a total misnomer. that we wouldn't take those jobs if they were available. we damn well would!
[applause] >> i want to say that all labor will be replaced by robots in the next 10 to 20 years. uber drivers will not be here in the next five or 10 years. the same thing with agricultural crops being picked. then outgrowing them robotically indoors and we are having machinery picked them. it is all supply and demand. some people dislike their cheap household help. when we hear these things -- >> this gentleman is asking, can i go on? >> actually i just want to reply to that. >> for this gentleman is asking really the key question. which is, it is very clear that very soon, all menial blue-collar jobs will be done by robots. in fact, a lot of non-menial, non-blue-collar jobs will be done y robots. you have yet to meet your first robotic lawyer. [laughter]
if you ever talk to counsel from insurance companies, you have a feel as to what it will be like. >> i have an actual question. >> limit comment on that and then i will get to your question. the point is that whenever something comes along, it changes the entire shape of the economy. but it does not destroy jobs. it destroys and it creates and if i were to look forward 20 years into the future, whole categories of occupation like cabdrivers, like bus drivers, like truck drivers, whole categories will be gone. and it will no longer be necessary for those people to work to produce the goods and services that we need. we will not need them as workers but we will still need them as consumers because the robot is not going to want to change addresses every year. the robot is not going to want to plant a flower garden. there were but isn't going to want to take french lessons. and the entire economy shifts
at that point. two more voluntary jobs. jobs that are more in the service sector. jobs that relate more to leisure time. and it is important in the future that we separate production from income in important ways. that is not the left-wing mantra of pay everybody not to work. but it does say that we have got increasingly to understand that the need to generate income to our people who can be consumers, has to at some level be separated from the need to produce goods. >> that is great. my question was really deep state related i just want to reply to this guy's comment. the only thing he did not touch upon was debbie wasserman schultz and -- so far as far as the d&c acts or -- that she
yelled about. i'm wondering if you have any information on the.>> it is too much to ask the lord for. one year to have hillary defeated and wasserman schultz indicted. [laughter] >> two more. >> thank you for coming tonight. >> thank you. >> immigrate facebook live. i wanted all the time. everybody should watch it. >> what he's talking about is i have two ways of communicating with the outside world. now they do not work at fox. because when fox moved to the right, my neck was severed. but, one way in which i've been doing for five years now is, if you go to dick morris.com, every day i do what i call a lunch alert.it is a
five-minute video commenting on the events of the day. how many of you see it? good! you'll find it very interesting and important. the other is for facebook folks. every day at 4 o'clock i do a 40 minute news show. it is called deep six, the deep state. and today i got 100,000 people watching it. and i believe that it is going to replace fox news and it will replace television. i want my charade in there in the middle of that. >> i'm very jealous of your viewership for sure! because i do facebook live and i do not get quite that. what do you think of jared kushner? is he, does he know what he is doing? you do not hear them talk much. and second is, when you release all of this stuff are you afraid that you will have an accident or something like that? [laughter] >> well -- you know, hillary
has not kept me -- she has not killed me yet. your first question though was, yeah. when i met with jared kushner, i only met him once. i gave him advice about the campaign. and he said policy is not my thing. i do not really know much about it and i do not focus on it much. i have difficulty understanding how he can be a white house advisor with that caveat. >> last question. >> two more. this gentleman and that gentleman. >> sort of a different topic. you are one of the experts on elections. how did obama beat romney? obama defeated romney because romney came to personify and embody exactly what this white, blue-collar, industrial worker
hated. he was not a businessman, he was an investor. he was a financier, he is the guy that would outsource your jobs, close down your factories and make a killing for his investors. and people saw him, not just as an advocate of the wrong policies but as the enemy in climate and personify. it was the outrageous stupidity of the romney campaign that if it were my friend pat and i were begging him and pleading and shouting and yelling and damn near self emulating to get them to listen to that, they never did. just did not understand it. that is a funny thing about this new donald trump strategy for the other side just doesn't get it. they do not understand it. who are these people? who are these you know, where do they come from? >> last question. >> thank you so much for the fascination of sharing.
when did your intelligence people become so deeply involved in the domestic politics in the election? because it is a tradition or is it a new phenomenon? because it really really is going to hurt the country. china the same thing. because of this intelligence meddling in the politics, there in a mess right now. so that is something that i want to have your comment. >> i have a whole chapter are both dedicated to answering that question. i think the tipping point was really the nixon administration. when nixon insisted on using the cia and the fbi for his domestic political purposes. remember, nixon tried to blame watergate on the cia. and they would not let it happen. the idea of making intelligence political really developed
during that period. in a deeper sense it goes back to eisenhower. because after treatment set up the cia, eisenhower said, i know we are never going to use nuclear weapons. and i do not want to keep an army here. and bankrupt us with the cost of doing so. i want a cheap, inexpensive way of stopping communism. and the cia came and said let us do that. and they pulled it off in guatemala and iran. successfully! and eisenhower was hooked. he said, i want you guys to do this all over the world. and the cia developed the ability and went into guatemala, iran, chile, the congo, all places doing that. and to become their mo. it was a very short distance to say go from doing that abroad to doing that at home.
thank you, this was fun! [applause] >> thank you so much! we want to thank you for being here tonight. his book is for sale, $25. he will be sitting up your signing books tonight also. >> is this your book? whose book is this? [inaudible conversations] >> here is a look at some of the current best-selling nonfiction books. according to the washington post. topping the list is hillary clinton with her thoughts on the 2016 presidential election. followed by social scientists,
rence brown and a look at the psychology behind the long a. engraving the wilderness. after that, and unbelievable nbc news -- gretchen rubens analysis of personality types. followed by anxious for nothing. our look at the best-selling nonfiction books according to the washington post continues. with a collection of recipes from action bronson. after that, atlantic national correspondent franklyn -- talks about the trade-off between -- then jd vance recalls his childhood and a town in ohio and hillbilly. then wrapping up our look at the best-selling nonfiction books according to the washington post is astrophysics people in a hurry.
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