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about regulating political ads on social media platforms. watch c-span's "washington journal" live at 7:00 eastern tuesday morning and join the discussion. >> british prime minister teresa may updated members of the house of commons on the status of brexit negotiations her meeting with european union leaders in brussels. she was challenged by jeremy corbin who questioned her report of progress and unity of her own party members. this is just under an hour. >> statements, the prime minister. >> hear, hear. >> thank you, mr. speaker and with permission i would like to make a statement on last week's european council. long after we have theft the european union the uk will be a strong and committed partner, standing on side our neighbors and working together advance our
shared values and interests. this council provided a further opportunity to demonstrate that ongoing commitment, through discussions that include migration, the digital market, turkey, north korea and iran. and it may be important progress in moving towards the new deeps' special partnership with the european union we wanted to see. first on migration, the uk is playing its full part. the royal navy has intercepted 172 smuggling boats, and saved over 12,000 lives since operations in the year began. while our national crime agency is work with libyan law enforcement in helping if the cablable to tackle the people smuggling and tracking networks. at the couple we welcomed the reduction in migrant crossings, and for renewed prevention behind the bolivian political process and must also address the root causes crying home to the mediterranean so they're continuing to invest for the long time in education, jobs and
services, both in countries of origin and transit. on the digital single market it is right to keep up the pleasure on completing the implementation by the owned of 2018. this will continue to be of benefit to us even after we leave the european union. at this council i also argued that the free flow of data is key to-under locking the potential of europe's digital trade and question secured conclusions which recognized this. as the government set out over the summer such arrangements will be an important part of the future relationship between the and you can the eu. turning to the discussions on turkey. we shared the concerns of the arrest of the nationals and others defending human rights. this is something i raised permanently with president erdogan and we are publicly calling on turkey to protect freedom of expression and release those defending human rights. at the same time, believe we must take a long-term view of the enduring importance of our
relationship with turkey, vital partner in ensuring a sure and prosperous european neighborhood and we must also continue to recognize the challenges they are responding to, not least they face a military coup only 16 months ago. so we must continue to work with turkey as on ally and partner as we record to the shared challenges of terrorism, migration and unstable in the middle east. but in so doing, we must do all we can to convince turkey to demonstrate its commitment to human rights and the rule of law. to turn away from turkey now would undermine those who seek to security european future based on our shared values. on north korea, we welcomed the eu sanctions adopted last week and re-affirmed our clear condemnation of north korea's aggressive and illegal missile and nuclear tests. we urged all states, including china, to play their part in changing the course pyongyang is
taking and on iran the council binnology the join statement bid chancellor merkel, president macron and myself last week, recommitting the commitment to the nuclear deal. this deal wall the culmination of 13 years of diplomacy and a major step toward ensuring iran's nuclear program is not diverted for military purposes. that is vitally important for shared security and are work closely with the french and german allies on this crucial issue. mr. speak, are on their, ours to leave the european union i shared -- for a creative and practicing mat tim trophy a new deep and special partnership between the united kingdom and the european union. also in free trade, rigorous and fair competition, strong consumer rights and high regulatory standards. i've also been clear that the u.k. can is unconditionally committed to maintaining europe's security.
both side have approached these talks with professionalism and a constructive spirit. we should recognize what has been achieved to date. on citizen rights, both side share the same objective tough safe gordoning the right's eu nationals in the and you can uk nationals living in the eu. this is my first priority from the very beginning of negotiations and it remains so. negotiations are complicated and deeply technical but in the end they are about people and i'm determine that we will put people first. eu citizens make an extraordinary contribution to our national life and we want them to stay. >> hear hear. >> i know that eu member states value the u.k. can nationals into their countries. we are united on the key principles and while there are small number of issues that remain outstanding we are in touching distance of a deal. this agreement will provide certainty about residents, health care, pensions and other benefits. it will mean that eu is -- uk
nationals who head into the system of eu207 country can benefit from what they put. it would enable families who built their lives together to stay together and will provide guarantees the rising those uk nationals liver neglect expo the eu citizens living in the uk, will not diverge over time. we will also ensure that the implementation of the grandma we reach does not create complicated and bureaucratic hurdle. i said apply for settled status will cost no more than that a uk passport and will will no longer have to prove sickness insurance and we will do everything possible to work with eu member states to make sure their processes are eannually extremelined for british nationals in their countries. we have also made significant progress on northern ireland where it is imperative that join work on the peace process is not
affected. the there will not be in physical infrastructure at the border and we also developed joint principles to ensure the continuation of the common travel area. these prims will fully preserve at the rights of uk and irish nationals to live, work and study across the islands and protect rights to public service and social security. mr. speaker, this council provided an opportunity to assess and reflect on how to make further progress in the negotiations. my speech in florence made two importance extent. first i game two clear commitments hope to financial settlement that uk will honor commitments and up in of our partners should fear they will need to pay more or receive less over the remain at the of the current bug plan as a result of our decision to leave.
as the house would expect, we are going through our potential commitments line by line as that detailed work continues. and second i propose a time limit implementation entered. the 27 members state responded by agreeing to start preparations for moving negotiations ton trade and future relationship we want to see. the council concludes call for work to continue with a view to being able to move to the second phase of the negotiations as soon as possible. and the president in his press conference was clear that the eu's internal work will take counterproposals presented in florence speech as indeed this agreement to start the discussions would not be possible but the new -- so, mr. speaker, i'm ambitious and positive about britain's future and these negotiations. if we're going to take a step forward together it must be on the basis joint effort and
endeavor between the and you can the eu. but i believe that by approaching these negotiations in a constructive way, in a spirit of friendship and cooperation, we can and will deliver the best possible outcome that work for all our people and that belief was shared by other european leaders. mr. speaker we're going leave the european union in march 2019. delivering on the democratic will of the british people. >> hear, hear. >> of course, we are preparing for every even allity to make sure we leave in n a smith and orderly way but i'm confident we can negotiate a new, deep and special partnership win the sovereign united kingdom and the friend the european union. that's my mission and the government's statement and i commend this statement to the house. >> jeremy corbyn. >> thank you, mr. speaker i'm like to think the prime minister for advanced copy of this statement and i also underline the importance of respect for
human rights and democracy in turkey. imprisoning journalists and lawyers is not part of that process and is not acceptable. and also, that we need to -- we also need to defend the iran nuclear deal which has been rightly defended the eu council last week and must do everything we took defend it and prevent proliferation of nuclear weapons. commend of the of the royal nave which the prime minister pointed out has already saved thousands of lives. but in relation to libya nothing is more pressing than securing a viable, long-term peaceful settlement to that country's problems. given the language used by her foreign secretary in miss matter the prime minister may need to talk a lead on this. just as she has had to take over the lead from their breckist secretary on negotiations with the eu.
mr. speaker, i'm beginning to have a feel a very worrying sense of groundhog day here. every time -- [laughter] -- every time she gives us an update on the progress of the negotiations, only two weeks ago she told this house that her speech in florence had put moment into the article 50 negotiations, and that an grandma on phase one of these talks was within touching distance. here we are again. after another round of talks. and we're still no clearer as to when negotiations on britain's future will our largest trading partner will actually begin. until no clearer as to what exactly she has agreed to in phase one of these talks. mr. speaker, in what are the most crucial negotiations of our country's recent history, we're clearly stuck in an impasse.
no real progress abroad and no progress at home. especially given the prime minister's withdrawal bill has been delayed 'opresumely allow the whip tuesday pull together the splits in her own party. maybe she shed some m lying on this confusion, confusion that is only escalated by members of her own government. for instance, the home secretary says no deal with the eu would be unthinkable. the brexit secretary still maintains no dole must be an option. while the secretary of state for international trade says that leaving without a deal would not be the armageddon that some people project. does the prime minister believe an outcome that is not armageddon might be settling the bar bit too low?
mr. speaker, the prime minister will also be aware that leaders of every major business organization have written to her today, urging clarity and quickly. chaos the uk, businesses in every region and nation are clear that they need a transition deal with the eu to be put in place as soon as possible so that it tack investment decisions in order to protect jobs and investment in this country. i know the prime minister has talk about the need for an implementation period after we leave the eu, but she happen been clear about the terms and couches that. can she tell us now what she means by accepting the same basic conditions in an implementation period? surely this can only mean remaining win the single market
and customs union for the transition period as labor has made clear. on eu citizens rights the prime minister says, again, an grandma is in reach. can she tell us when the detail of that grandma will be ready to bring to this house? more importantly to all those people in this country, and the eu, who desperate to know what their future holds for them. this could have been dealt with 16 months ago, and instead, families are suffering anxiety some european union citizens are deciding to leave, including nurses from our national health service. if that had been resolve, as it should have been, then hundreds of thousands of british nationals would also have the security they need. will the prime minister tell us what will happen to this specific agreement on citizens
rights if her government fails to secure a final brexit deal with the eu? will the prime minister now do the right thing and guarantee the rights of citizens living in the uk, regardless of the outcome of article 50 negotiations. on the financial settlement, clearly some wasn't the european union need to stop briefing out astronomical and unacceptable numbers. but will the prime minister -- but will the prime minister -- will the prime minister confirm reports that she privately assured european leaders that brian would pay more than the offer she previously made in ore florence speech? if this is the case, is she confident this would past the red line set out by the foreign
secretary other few weeks ago? mr. speaker, the prime minister hails the progress made so far in these negotiations. the biggest bat the prime minister faces isn't so much with the 27 european states described as the enemy of letter battle to bring together the warring factions of her own cabinet and party. and the prime minister is too weak to do anything about it. the outcome, a crashing out with no deal, to become a deregulated tax haven, to dream of a powerful faction of her back benches and her front benches would be a nightmare for people's jobs and living standards. labor's message is different and clear. only labor can negotiate a brexit and deliver an economy -- >> order, order, order.
the prime minister's statement was heard with courtesy, and so will the response be. no further discussion no comment required. that is the situation. jeremy, corbyn. >> thank you, mr. supremer, laker's message is different and very clear indeed. only labor can negotiate a brexit and deliver an economy that puts jobs and living senators first and that's what we're ready to do. >> thank you. thank you, mr. speaker. first, can i welcome the comment the right honorable gentleman made on the iran nuclear deal. it's important that across this house we agree they we should continue to support that deal. also agree with him that what want would to in libways peaceful settlement that enables that counsel troy be stable and peaceful and i think it's important we all support the
work that is being done by the u.n. session envoy in relation to this issue. he asked about the brexit bill. what it set athlete european council is what set out in any florence speech and just repeated in my statement. he talked about us making no real progress. well, we haven't reached a final agreement but it's going to happen. i have a degree of confidence -- i'd have a degree of confidence we will be able to get to the point of sufficient progress by december. there is a new familiar. the florence step was a step forward and should be a positive response to the willingness to work on at the interim period and the house being established, a momentum. as it happens those aren't my words. those are words of chancellor merkel, the -- the swedish prime minister, the italian prime minister, the polish prime minister, and danish prime minister. so i can assure the right
honorable gentleman that progress was indeed made. the labor party talk about the need to modify ahead in the negotiations. if they can get someone to move ahead the negotiations while the labor nep vote against the negotiations? [shouting] >> and he talks about the withdrawal bill as if this was something that labor was eager to see. if they're sew eager about the bill why did they vote against it? and in doing so, vote against bringing workers rights and environmental standards into uk law. and then finally, he talk -- spends a long time in his response talking about no deal. i can only assume that the labor party wants to talk about no deal because day on the know
what sort of deal they would want. they can't decide whether they want to be in the single market or not. they can't decide whether they want to be in the customs union or not. can't decide whether they want a second referendum or not. can't decide whether they agree with free movement continuing or not, and worst of all, they say they would take any deal whatever the price they are asked to pay. that is not the way to get a good deal for the uk. it's the way to get the worst possible deal for the uk. >> mr. ken clark. >> mr. speak, damming delay will be caused and main problem ice european leader can see a noisy -- on the back benchings have persuade emthem that no deal at all is completely
desirable. and this causes them to doubt where l she is table produce a clear picture of where she wants to go and whether she is able to produce a majority here for any agreement they have with so. so has she considered she may have done already appoint something trusted minister to make approaches to leading members of the opposition party to see if they will live up to the -- some of the things the leader appears to say and perhaps do bet seater least we can have aen could census in this parliament in the nationals' on the outline of a transition gentlelady deal that would enable to us negotiate the final details and appearingments the majorout of the house would agree is in long-term interests of the united kingdom. >> i have to say to my right honorable and learned friends that sounds rather like a job
application. can i just say to my right honorable friend, that was clear to my interaction i've you were yap leaders they recognize the prognosises in the northern speech nor special partnership for the future and also for the implementation period, did bring clarity into the thinking of the uk nationals united kingdom. it is now the 27 have agreed it's now for them to consider what they want to see from the future of that relationship that next stage of negotiations can continue. >> thank you, mr. speaker, and ick also thank the prime minister for advance copy of her statement. mr. speaker, i welcome some of the conclusions from the council summit, particularly on money gracious and the stronger economiment on resettlement.
the sanctions again north korea. however, mr. speaker, it is a bit concerning that the ongoing crisis in catalonia was not covered. eu citizens were brutally thrown to the floor for exercising their right to vote. a parliament stripped of its constitutional status. can the prime minister tell the house what representation she made to address this devastating outcome? last week the eu27 voted unanimously to declare that had not been sufficient progress on leaving the eu. this is clear that the negotiations sticking opinion are the same as before. on the financial settlement, eu citizens rights and the irish border. john cobb made a position unanimous remark, nobody explained the in the first place to the british people what brexit actually meant.
how true, and no wonder this government is in such a mess. today the uk's five biggest business lobby groups called for an urgent transition deal. time is run us out for the business community and financial institutions are giving notice of leaving london. ireland has clinch end deal width more than a dozen of london based banks to move to ireland and some have warned 83,000 city jobs to could be lost if the uk loses the claiming rights this we need to know the details of our future relationships and any transition deal before the end of the year. it is absolutely critical we stay in the single market and the customs union. the prime minister and government's catastrophic ideal flirtation with a no deal scenario, take this off the table and do it today.
>> can i first of all say to right honorable gentleman i have spoke the prime minister on the issue of catalonia on a number of occasions including one i saw him the european union council of we're clear that at the referendum has no legal basis. we want to see people uphoedle the law the constitution. on the wider issue in term of the future relationship with the united kingdom with the european union, i set out the vision we have fort that. as i just said in answer to the leader of the official opposition, the eu27 will now be looking at their vision for this aim sour i have to repeat again to the right honorable gentleman because this issue erayed in past -- that full member home of she single mark and the customs union go with. >> dirks of the european court of justice and freedom of movement. these are issues which were voted against when people voted to leave the european union. they were mean we would remain
in the europeine union and we are going to leave in march 2019. >> done tan-something i -- duncan-smith. >> mr. speaker, may i a to my right honorable friends she may wish to answer some of those who want certainty by reminding them you cannot have grandma on an implementation period until you have something to implement. and secondly could she explain that during the course of her discussions, the private ones she head, the ones that the acting president of the european union have not put into the papered but her private discussions, could she just say who she remind herd colleagued in european union that to reach a proper free trade arrangement they need have concluded the discussions before the summer of next year, otherwise it will be difficult to get those through in times both in the european union or here and did she get an
answer about when the might like to start? >> well, can i say -- thank my right honorable friend. he is absolutely right. we have said on a number of occasion the point of the empolicemen addition period is to put in place the practical changes nose move to the forward partnership. he asked about dish have obviously in my discussions with other leaders raise the issue of the timetable we have and the up mat timetable to be set by the lisbon treaty and my friend talk beside knowing the detail odd the trade deal by next summer. they suggested october 2018 which might be the point another it bill be necessary to know that it any friend right there will need to be a period of time for ratification of any fewer arrangements by the various national parliaments and as we know, that can be more than one in some of the countries concern.
>> mr. speaker, can the prime minister explain why it is frequently said by those with whom we are negotiating that they do not know what the uk wants when it koles to a long-term deal and does she think it has nothing do with the fact the cabinet appears not to have reached its own view yet about what the nature -- >> hear, hear. >> this a negotiation and different levels of detail at different stages of the negotiations. i have set out the vision for our future partnership and as i sneyd response to a number of remarks now, the -- what happened at this european council was that the ei27 agreed they will now start work preparing their vision of the partnership so when we come to open the trade negotiations both sides have got that agenda and clearly know what those negotiations will cover. >> given the wish of business to deal with uncertainties which is understandable, would the prime
minister agree that the best course for a business trading with europe you woo be to prepare for a smooth transition to wto tray firm which this government will guarantee and to expect the prime minister to have good luck in bringing back something better? , in... >> the brexit secretary said last week that the transition phase would be triggered only
once we have completed the deal itself. the spokesperson said today the implementation time is a bridgeway and they need to know where they're heading. could she clarify? is she saying that if we haven't got a long-term trade deal agreed by this time next year then there won't be any transition deal at all? britain will end up on wto to terms by march of 2019? >> is a just responded, and implementation time is about witches adjusting to the future relationship. that's the basis on which will be negotiating an agreement. >> in relation to any implementation time, is it a potential bare track that if
there's an involvement in the european court whose case over parliament in court and include commitment to the fundamental rights and political integration? >> as my friend knows, i've been very clear that one of the intentions of people voting to leave the european union would ensure that in the future no longer cover in the united kingdom. we will have to negotiate the basis of that implementation time for going to ensure that we have the greatest possible certainty for business. then it will be necessary to see as little changes commensurate. one of the purposes of the bill is to bring the law and give
that certainty to businesses and individuals here. >> the british government was late in the negotiations in europe to create a single mark market. can you explain how she expects to be taken seriously in the words of her statement with the completion of the single market by 2018 when she's in the process of trying to leave it? >> the united kingdom continues to be in the debate of the single market. we believe it's important for the u.k. in or out of the union. well encourage this time but i believe it's important once we leave the e.u. that the single market has been created and will forge a new relationship with
it. >> can i commend the prime minister statements on the progress she has made. >> as we have heard representatives of businesses of all sizes from all sectors have written to the government warning that the consequences of no deal and relying on trade organization. they said the government should give certainty to business by immediately really this business out. we agreed to listen to british businesses and what they go so far as to rule out no deal. >> can i say to my friends that we have been engaging with business and listening. i was very clear that the implementation time was very key
and having and ensuring they have a smooth and orderly process of withdraw. but we are in negotiation with that. it's important to remember that if we want a good deal for the united kingdom the best way to get a bad deal is to say that will accept anything regardless. we have to be clear what were working for is a good deal. i'm optimistic as we have made progress. the good deal that were seeking is of interest to both sides. >> isn't it the case the business community will be shocked to hear the words today the be no clarity on transition or implementation until we get a final deal and months ahead. it's the edge that the business
community want to know that will not be there march 2019. will she not give a commitment now to attain the transitional arrangements separately? >> i said in my speech the transition time and we need to discuss that. but i'm confident we'll get a deal precisely because getting a good deal isn't just in our interest it's in the interest to remain in the european union as well. that's what were working for. >> man commend the prime minister's approach based on the speech which i think is entirely sensible, pragmatic and moderate. it may i encourage her, given that we are being entirely open about our tactics, namely that no you citizen should be worse
off to be more transparent and open with parliament on the figures. i know it is a nuisance but what else is praxis about about reviving parliamentary democracy. we have no idea what we offer, think we could do with more information because ultimately they will be a vote and it will be a vote that counts. >> of course we have said there will be a vote on the deal we expect that to take place before the european parliament votes on the deal this house. when were able to make information available will make it available. as others may recall i said will not give a running commentary with the details.
that's important because we must up at this country in a position where we set out publicly everything were looking for, because were not just gonna hand the cards to the other side. it's a negotiation in both sides will have to move. >> given the report for calling for transition and the last cliff edge perhaps you could introduce the fact, as she lifted a major economies in the world which trades it to the e.u. with no sector or other agreements in place? >> the premise of his question is false. he seems to suggest the purpose of the negotiation are to engineer no deal scenario. they're not.
where working for a deal for future relationship for this country to cover both trade and security relationship. >> the negotiation last week and her statement is very much to sit created pragmatic approach. partnership is the key word. no partnership is possible with the european neighbors and fellow member states and in the cabinet. can you assure us that the talks will continue and you will not listen to those who want talks to stop. >> the negotiations are continuing. we want to ensure what were
doing is working to get a good deal. my speech is to set out the vision for that special partnership is that partnership the government is working towa toward. >> will be much talk of the limits of implementation that the prime minister had in her speech can she tell us whether there has been any discussion about the legal basis of what such a piece would be. >> i can say to the honorable lady that the european union themselves actually raises similar concept in the april guideline. be on the article 50 process. >> on the matter of north korea, the defense recently took evidence from academics argued north korea may already have an
ability to reach the united kingdom with a nuclear weapon. if that is true to the prime minister agree to be the utmost -- to abandon the nuclear -- >> i can absolutely agree it would be foolish. i think there are many reasons why it's important to maintain our independent nuclear attendance. it's important because it is also part of the collective defense of europe that we do provide. >> the prime minister moment ago one or to rule it out. the home secretary was saying it's unthinkable. why question is, what is this
going to cost the british taxpayer? 50 million was already being spent on contingency planning. how much is being spent across government how many nurses, doctors, place could that pay for? >> i cannot tell and in fact i have already said the treasure has set aside 250 million pounds to be spent across government departments. >> may congratulate the prime minister on the great progress and change. may i take -- in the progress that's been made on the issue may ask her to give us more detail of the areas where agreement has been cemented. >> i can say there's a number of areas where agreement has been
reached particularly in issues with healthcare arrangements. there is a small number of areas where we have yet to reach agreement. but i think it's clear from both sides from the u.k. that we can see the shape of that deal and we are in the distance of getting that. >> i welcome statement by the prime minister and look forward to progress been made. has the prime minister taken the opportunity to remind the republic that it's about time we started to prove his whip in the republic of ireland rather than attempting to throw his whip around on issue of the border.
all that was doing was damaging his economy. think of the prime minister also make an impression when they visit northern ireland and threatened that the peace process is in exchange for brexit, they're playing with fire and they ought not to encourage that. >> it is very important that all sides on this issue are very clear that the agreement we must ensure this put into place and recognized and respected through its entirety. it's also important to ensure the peace program that is possible can continue in the future. when it comes to the border and resolving issues it will be for us to work with the republic of ireland government and with the union more generally to find a
solution which is no return to the border. >> can i reassure my friends that anyone who suggested that she is weak is seriously underestimating her. seriously underestimating this party, which supports or and underestimating the importance of the referenda mandate and the fact that she contained more conservative votes than any in the union will she stick to her guns and have confidence the only one under minding her as those going into the labor party.
>> to thank my honorable friend in class essay that i'm sure all members want to get the best possible deal for the united kingdom i look forward to everyone on these benches supporting them. >> to the e.u. council discuss russia and in this context has the u.k. government or its agencies been asked to help with information with a special counsel robert mueller about russian interference in the election? >> fact on this occasion russia was not one of the subjects on the agenda but we did discuss a number of foreign policy issues, north korea, turkey and dprk
were all on the agenda, but russia was not. >> if her e.u. friends were to demand a sum of say a trillion pounds rather than 100 billion, the position of the opposition would have to be to accept that because they would not walk away under any circumstances. given that we would walk away, can the prime minister really reassure us that the necessary preparations will be made so we can walkway with a deal if we need to which will maximize the prospect of getting a good deal. >> indeed, we are ensuring that government is preparing for all contingencies and approach dramatic approach for any government to take.
working for a deal but i also want to thank my friend for illustrating the provision that's been taken by the labor party. they would pay any price, no matter. >> the prime minister says she wants a deep and special partnership with the e.u., but some of her colleagues want a total and complete break. is it the truth that her failure to resolve this fundamental issues so install the negotiations but the future of our country at risk? >> the honorable lady failed to recognize the progress made at the european union council of the provision that was taken. the year 27 will not be preparing for that of future partnership and implementation
in the lead up to the partnership. they recognize that we set out a dark vision of what that partnership would look like. and to look at what they believe the partnership should look li like. >> last year the european union has 71.8 billion pounds. the report last week said if we moved to carry the german auto industry alone will use 29000 jobs. was there any realization at all on the impact of not discussing free trade agreements and do they understand they would lose far more if we are to lose them we were. >> i think it is clear across the european union it is recognized we need to look at
what the relationship might be. it's not just about united kingdom future position,'s about jobs and the economy in the e.u. 27 as well. recognition and looking at what they think the partnership could be in the future. i'm sure my friend is aware there's a number of organizations on the continent now starting to talk about the importance of this relationship in the future. >> canasta question the brexit secretaries unable to answer last week. given the government envisions a two-year transition time with existing structures of rules and regulations apply, can she clarify if a pharmaceutical company wanting authorization to market a new drug in the u.k. during transition would do so by
the european medicine vacancy or a new system as of yet undefin undefined. >> the intention of the implementation time is to ensure that people are able to operate on the same basis as they do on the moment as they put in place the changes leading up to the partnership. that which is not going to be looked at will be part of future negotiations. >> i agree with exiting the european union but is in the best interest of both sides if we can conduct this apparel with those with the relationship. does she agree further any flexibility on the payment must be linked to flexibility and other areas to be negotiated?
>> we have been very clear the question of that financial settlement cannot be finally settled until we know what the future partnership will be. we will not sign up for a bill and then negotiate so it will be the case that once the negotiations have started will continue to be negotiation on issues. >> since the brexit vote there's been a 96% drop in e.u. nurses registering to work here. with vacancy of 86000 and rising, just how much bigger does it need to get before we stop using medics as a bargaining chip in to make sure that their doctors and nurses
available. >> in my statement i've made a number of occasions that we value the contribution it have made we want them to stay. she talks about nurses and there's more nurses than there were in 2010 we've taken out the number of nurses who can be in training. the 52000 and training. >> degree the progress achieved at the council meeting demonstrates logic on both sides lends itself to deal being done. every ounce of effort will be marshaled across members of the government to achieve that a. >> i agree that this is in both our interest in government as a whole collectively is putting the effort necessary into this
and looking at what legislation to bring forward in preparing for all eventualities. >> the prime minister raise expectation of the situation between northern ireland and the republic and no infrastructure must be welcomed by all parties. is it conceivable that that can be filled with real negotiations and is it really possible that we can talk about no deal in that scenario? >> it's not that expectations are being raised. [inaudible] as i said earlier, of course
ensuring we get the solution to that will require us to work not just with european commission and the e.u. 27, but work hard with the public government as well. >> your right not to roll out and no deal scenario. it would be utterly naïve. when it comes to implementation, what assurances can she give that it will be time-limited? >> the key issues it's about the time necessary to make the practical changes necessary to move to the future partnership. no changes will have a time limit to them. then i said this would be around two years in terms of practicality, but it's essential
that it's time-limited because we will have left the european union and people in the united kingdom want to ensure we get to that partnership on the new arrangement outside the european union. >> c-span's "washington journal", live every day with me some policy issues that impact too. coming up on tuesday, look at the future of the affordable care act. then, federal budget tax reform act and -- issue one, talks about regulating little clouds on social media platforms. watch the spans "washington journal", 1170m eastern on tuesday morning. >> tuesday, house ways and means chair, kevin brady on tax reform. he will join an event hosted by real clear politics in washington, d.c.
life coverage begins at 8:00 a.m. eastern on c-span2. tuesday, hearing on u.s. public health preparedness during hurricane season. we'll meet at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span three. online at c-span.org or on the free c-span radio app. >> the c-span buses traveling across the country on the 50 capitals tour. >> we recently stopped in frankfort, kentucky asking folks with the most important issue in their state. >> i live here in frankfort, kentucky. one of the more important issues going on right now is public pensions. legislators are getting ready to call special sessions to try to funder pensions. it's important to the public sector workers and their
families. we have a coalition which includes firefighters, police officers, retired state workers and various other members that have joined us in a partnering with us. our coalition is trying to fight to make sure legislators to the right thing find a funding source for pension. >> one of the biggest issues in the state is the drug problem. even in rural kentucky the drug problem is rampant. that's a big issue. >> hello, i work for the commonwealth of kentucky. most pressing issue right now in the commonwealth's employee retirement. >> voices from the state on c-span. >> 's, we look at usa today
washington correspondent paul senior white house reporter, darling. this is one hour. >> for monday roundtable in the week ahead were joined by usa today washington correspondent paul singer, darling this with the associated press white house reporter talk about the issues coming up this week in the next couple of weeks in washington, d.c. another important week for tax reform the president's column in usa today talking about tax reform and he joined a house republican conference call yesterday, where else is he going to go to make this pitch? >> on tuesday he'll go to capitol hill to attend the weekly luncheon in the tax reform bill is likely going to be a topic of discussion there.
the senate passed the budget resolution misses something the president wants to do. >> what's the game plan for the president this week? . . success will be having the caucus united around this issue. and what he wants to get done. and having senate republicans lean on house members to get them in line for the bill. host: paul singer, take us to the timeline for tax reform. what needs to happen this week and next week to keep this on track as the president hopes to get this done before the end of the year? >> guest: now it's to be done by thanksgiving. the first thing is to get the house to pass a budget resolution that is just the outline of what's going to be an attack still. if set some sort of topline numbers. the challenge for the house is
that it had to swallow what the senate did which is allow for a trillion dollar deficit, $1.5 trillion deficit, which the tax reform in fear he will make up more by creating lots of economic activity. for some conservatives in the pouse, that is a real sticking point so that's what they have to get through this week to pass. once that's done, then you have the house and senate agreeing on the resolution and now you can produce a bill that's as soon as possible and the house ways and means committee will produce the actual t legislation and let the tax brackets are and who they affect individuals to move to the house as fast as it can move. >> host: we know the president joined the conference call. what do we know that came out of it? did he move some of the house numbers? >> guest: the conservative saidrs we spoke to basically he will probably go
along with it. now, we will see just what happens when they get a bill. going along with the number and a bill or two different things because sure, let's have a trillion dollar tax relief is a little different than saying yes we will give the tax break to those people and canceled for state and local tax deduction in new jersey, whatever it is. but the moment of the conservatives seem like they are willing to at leastco play along and of course this morning the president says he promises to maintain your four o. one k. with no changes so it's already begun on the details. the first thing you stick at the topline number through the houses. >> we are going through the details and timeline asoi a part of this week's roundtable the president of joining the conference call sending the budget director to fox news to talk about the time on fox news sunday. here is what he had to say.
>> we got a lot more if the houshouse takes the senate budgt when they come back on, it absolutely moves the ball a lot quicker towards that goal. goal. >> guest: another thing he said that is not negotiable is thee tax rate which in your proposal would be 20% coming down from 35. but if you had to negotiate on that number, would you? >> the middle tax figures will pay less and it will be sent before then, that's number one. number two on its going to come down we wanted 15% else kept pushing and pushing and we talked about 20 and we would love to get that down as we continue thek negotiation but those two things are sort of the foundation of a tax plan for the president and i don't think the house wants to negotiate those very much. >> host: he's talking about negotiations. how much negotiating are we going to see as the president heads up this week what do we expect to hear from them?
>> guest: there might be some negotiating as paul mentioned. it will come down to the old adage about the devil is in the details are you people are going to want to see the brackets, the income levels and what happens toe the state and local taxes. he mentioned the president this morning saying the contributions are safe. that is apparently off the table now. so, we will have to wait. the president is adamant the 20% rate he wasn't going to get to negotiate on that. but this is something he wants. >> host: if you want to join the conversation, lines are open with usa today and darlene of the associated press.. republicans, (202)748-8001, independent (202)748-8002. another question is whether the president can keep himself on
track. what do you think the impact is what the congresswoman is that's something that coulthatsomethine legislative priority? >> it's hard to see other than the fact it distracts attention and gives disk excuses any discussion of tax policy to talk about frederick wilson which by the way isn't a name we engender. it also createss a name where he is being accused by the congress all black caucus of disrespecting a member of congress, which is going to again create troubles for him trying to point out to people he is not just working class white voters and black voters and he's in danger of changing the conversation to the tax policy.
this week so far they've been good at focusing the tax policies. they pop up when the president says something. >> host: two dozen continue to be held down during the national anthemem showing disrespect to e flag and the country, no leadership in the nfl that was about 15 minutes ago from the president. you cover. this is the strategy. >> to some degree maybe there is and maybe he does want us to talk about these other issues and then he m can turn around ad blame the media and say we are not writing about tax reform.
i'm trying to get the largest tax cut in history as he calls it and the fake news media isn't writing about it so maybe there is a strategy to it. but it does take away from the focus on tax reform which is something the white house and the president and republicans on the hill really want to get done. >> he also wants to focus on anti-opioid epidemic. >> we know very little about what he's going to say thursday. a few months ago he did come out and say that the opioid crisis was a national emergency committee and he promised to issue a declaration to that effect. last week at a press conference at the white house with mitch mcconnell he said he was going to be making an announcement that it is a little unclear still what he can say and how much work the white house has been able to do in terms of being ablemu to make this so-called national declaration. >> host: back on this side of
pennsylvania avenue of the senate is expected to work their way through another disaster. its $35 billion in disaster aid to speak and there was already a 15 billion-dollar disaster aid. the question is whether there is enough money and of course texas and florida. let's move this bill and we another one coming up next month. there is one for puerto rico, there is money for the federal flood insurance program. this is going to go on for a while. my suspicion is they will move quickly and then they will start the next one. after katrina they passed
$105 billion in disaster relief in the first couple of months after that disaster.r. at this point if you are looking at florida, texas theyo virgin islands and the wildfires in california, those numbers are going to go higher than that. >> back for the first timell in three weeks, we are talking about all of it this morning. henry is up first. i just wanted to say it is ironic that we just got through our talking on c-span about trust and institutions asking what institutions do the trust and how would the conservative members of congress take this and he said something to the fact and i will paraphrase we are going to go along with it. now, i'm no expert on this but
it baffles my mind as a regular citizen, and i do not hear many of the reporters talking about it but how can a man who won't even show his taxes, who we don't know what's in his taxes and ho,how can he lead a tax red it's almost as if we are settling for anything. and you wonder why people don't trust institutions. i find it ironic and again, i am no expert or reporter, but how can a man who won't even show his taxes -- >> host: as that debate happened, should that be something democrats are focused on when they are moving the legislation? >> guest: you will be hearing on the topic and here is a topic i know nothing about. the president is preparing to
release jfk documents and so in the interest of transparency to, the democrats immediately follow up with transparency. we like that. we likwe'd like to see that pret tax returns. you would expect this to come up over and over again. but the reason the conservatives are willing to go along with this in the budget is tax reform is important to them. they believe the tax cut could be the biggest glossing over the corners to get to the part in thesi middle. >> host: before we leave that question is this an issue that still comes up in the white house briefing? >> guest: not as much as at the beginning of the term, but it comes up occasionally.
>> host: when asked that question what is the answer? >> guest: the basic responses he is not going to release them. >> host: white house correspondent for the associated press and paul singer with usa today taking questions this morning. on the line foror independence,o ahead. president trump wants to submit a legacy to redefine what constitutes wealth on the planet i wouldcy love to zero the debt and restart with a more scientific currency, something that is based on the actual chemistry and of the life on the planet, not just some artificial abstraction from the various resources and the time. i think that would be a wonderful thing to see. what do you guys think? >> guest: i don't really
understand that currency. i've heard discussions about debt relief around the world. i've heard discussions on moving back to the gold standard and it's kicked around from time to time. >> guest: i don't know how it works and i don't have any in my pocket. >> host: i don't think that you can. >> guest: asking for a philosophical transformation on the capacity of congress and the white house. >> host: focusing on tax reform and yesterday the anniversary of president ronald reagan signing the act of 1986. the 31st anniversary of the president in usa today focusing on that discussion.
in the content of the tax cuts quite a bit, we all know that president ronald reagan is the icon of the republican party. thank you. so, that is what that is all about. a it's about sort of conjuring up the good feeling from the 80s when ronald reagan98 was presidt and to just help move the process along today. the >> guest: the touchstone is remarkable. >> host: here he is on fox news talking tax reform. >> a lot of things are happening. i don't even like them leaving. but i will say this, i want to get it by the end of the year that i would be disappointed if yoit took that long. it could be substantially less than that, depending on sending
the bill back to the house to make 200 suggestions as opposedf to maybe no suggestions because it is a great bill and it's going to be a great bill andre e are adjusting so that there is no way that the middle class doesn't greatly benefit. every once in a while it could be that some people won't benefit as much as we want them to benefitan and we are making certain adjustments, but i think that we are going to have it sooner rather than later. >> host: that was the president in his interview fox news talking about tax reform. on the twitter page there will be no change to your 401 k. and it's always been a popular middle-class tax break that works and stays. just one of three things from the president this morning. we will keep you updated and the roundtable.
on the line for democrats, go ahead. >> caller: good morning. we just saw what happened to health care and the health care situation t. i don't trust the tax reform that we don't know if we can trust this administration. i sought the views on what happened in the limousine and it's not just president trump attacking this lady but also i've been reading john kerry and he is just as bad asow donald trump. >> guest: a couple different she brings up to begin
with healthcare if you want to start, darlene. the lessons for the healthcare debate and attempts to move the legislation that the president is taking into this tax reform effort. >> guest: she would have to wait until there is a bill and read about it and learn about the details, watch the process as the bill moves through congress and see the final product and then she will be able to judge whether the administration has lived up to its bill. >> host: on the trust issue as they tried to move the massive tax bill. >> guest: we are talking about moving a massive tax bill that's noneic of us have seen. it has not been written and they would like to moveri it by
thanksgiving. you have to ask this question. if somebody is moving that quickly if there is something we have not seen about something called the great tax giveaway. it is a series of stories done by these guys that filled up the in wired or and there were giveaways for o specific object. that all gets buried in there. do we know how long it took to move the tax bill? >> guest: i don't but i know his team was in there for months trading off on these amendments and it took quite a while to go through. but it goes backto to this
question of breed the bill. we need to get smart about what is in this tax bill but it is a challenge for us to get to the bottom. we don't know what is in it at this point. >> on th >> on the line for democrats, go ahead. >> caller: i remember the debate in 1985 or 1986. it took over 18 months. i don't know how many congressional hearings that it was like watching paint dry. it started in january of 85 and then october 86. so, there've been really detailed hearings and they must be talking about thanksgiving of 2020 because it is extremely
difficult all constituents to air their grievances to. i don't know anybody that trusts to negotiate with the administration and i not disparaging them i just don't know what i believe. to take the top marginal tax rate for the corporation from 35 to 20% to 42%, so that is a huge giveaway and that's fine if you think you can do it. and we are going to have monopoly money. it used to be 2500 now it's 13,500. and that was over a six or seven year period. we have to borrow half a trillion each year.
there's just no way. if the world figures out we have a responsible administration, which apparently, we do, i don't know that they will keep on with the debt. >> host: stay on the line for a second. the president has been tweeting about this where he lays out the tax plan he specifically promises we will cut taxes for hard-working middle-class families and double the standard deduction and expand the child tax credit so that the families will keep more of their hard-earned money so we can create better jobs for american workers and our planwa will provide tax relief or businesses of all sizes and finally we will bring actually get dollars to the american p golf currently parked overseas. argue on board with those processes? >> guest: you can't do that and maintain. you can do it and maintain less
than a trillion dollars of the budget deficit, but they are going to sayan we have a 3% groh to gdp instead of the 1.9% of this century the last 17 years of his 1.9%. the 3% who just happens where we had a sustained gdp growth. they haven't happened in 20 years. and this is the theory of this particular tax cut which is we are going to get enormous tax cuts to the middle class and corporations. it's not clear what the tax status of the wealthy is goingun to be. so we get all these tax breaks and instead of offsetting them with budget cuts now we are
going to put those tax cuts drive the massive expansion in the economy and it's going to increase investment in the united states and jobs in the united states. to. nobody has any idea ifk it is going to work like that. if itif doesn't work like that d you end up with this problem of having massive deficits and this is what worried the democrats they will drive through a tax cut that drives massive deficits and the only way to make up the deficit is to come back around t by saying we are out of money and we have to cut medicare and medicaid, all of your health and human services spending, get rid of all of the social investment to make up for the losses.
losses. that isn't in the bill and that is what they are afraid of. >> erica in springfield virginia, go ahead. >> caller: i do not agree with this tax cut. ii don't believe that when the president says he's going to give cuts to the - middle classe hasn't mentioned he's going to take away so you have the deduction but you take away the exception in the middle-class in these times we are all struggling. it will be towards the economy they can get the tax cuts but in the triple down economics we
haven't seen those jobs here. we've seen them in china because we are a very expensive employee if we compare ourselves globally with other workers in the world. so i do not believe that they are the job creators. i don't trust them. >> host: another caller focusing on this issue of trust. >> guest: is a big issue out there giving what people have seen already in the administration. but again, going back to the details in the bill when the bill is produced, there is no bill and that's it. >> host: we focus on this issue of trust quite a bit this morning talking about american
confidence in institutions around this country not just government institutions. i want tont get your take on tht report. newspapers getting 27% of respondents to the survey saying they have a great deal or high amount of trust. that was one of the big jumps in the past year. what do you think has caused death and we can also get into the other media. >> guest: it's interesting the jump given the posture to the media is for example what transpired this last week with the white house and white house chief of staff john kelly and congressman wilson in florida. a lot of what the chief of staff said about the congress turned out not to be true and that is an area the media can come in and point out that is what the
government is saying or what the government officials are saying isat not entirely above board. >> and it was a newspaper that found that it exonerated the congresswoman. >> news on the internet getting a confidence rating from the gallup report of television news 24% compared withs newspapers 2% of respondents. what do you take from that? >> 27 >> 27% probably have never seen a newspaper and that number is growing.in we are coming to a divide in america that is increasingly intentionally divided, where people are being told not to trust institutions because they are a barrier to my progress and
you are hearing from conservatives and liberals you and i used to work at a place where a member of congress doing something wrong with their spending account would be a big deal but it no longer is because people think it is all fake news. the hazard is that there is no place to go for information that you trust and therefore you will fall for anything. basically all information is equal it doesn't matter whether it is true or not. >> host: paul singer of usa today and darlene with the associated press. just after 8:30 on the east coast in the roundtable discussion about the week in washington. 202-74-8201 democrats, 8000, republicans, 8002 for independence.
fallen soldier and the controversy that hasen come abot how much are we expecting to hear from the administration on an explanation of why the soldiers were there? is the something we will be hearing more from the white house briefing room? >> guest: no doubt you will. her widow was on good morning america this morning and confirmed a lot of what lscongresswoman wilson said last week so there will be questions about what she had to say today. there've been questions last week about this and the white house press secretary refers to to this investigation the department of defense has opened and says the process needs to play out before they can say anything including even how much the president knew or did not know about what was happening. so that story potentially will continue through this week.
>> host: and the president said about two minutes ago about a conversation he had with the widow and here it is. i had a very respectful conversation with the widow of johnson and spoke the name from the beginning without hesitation. paul singer, why focus on speaking his name from the beginning without hesitation? >> guest: apparently she said the president was struggling to come up with the name, couldn't remember her husband's name. again, the president has an odd wayth of getting into these kee said she said arguments with people who no one ever heard of and suddenly they become the spokesman for his opposition. this is one of those moments where all along if the president simply said at the outset we feel the pain of this woman and we are desperately grateful as a
nationly for what her husband dd for us and just stop and move on come all of it would have gone nowhere but it's four or five days later and we are still talking about it. >> host: one third are focusing on this issue. >> guest: if i could add one thing, there was a question at the briefing last week and she said something to the effect of the story should have stopped last thursday when general kelly came out and made his statement, but it's hard when you have the president of the united states continually tweaking about it over the weekend saturday and sunday. when the president speaks, you cannot really ignore that, so basic and today is going to drive another cycle this story. >> host: and we are talking about all this morning tax at ax reform into this issue and whatever is on your mind this week. also expected a speech from the president on opioid abuse can any of those issues, phones are
open to discuss it. miami forward on the line for independence. go ahead. >> caller: i want to make this clear from the outset i believe strongly in the first amendment and newspapers, the reporters don't represent organizations that are fake news and neither does the "washington post" or miami herald, "new york times" or the new yorkerr but having said that, i want them to hold the president of the united states to the fire on the opioid issue which affects the all of his people come all the folks that voted for him. he said he was going to clear it an emergency back in august. this is october and i do not recall reporters jumping up and down about why he isn't making sense or why they are not going after his false promises, never mind his falsnevermind his falss
but certainly false promises and i think reporters at the white house and beyond the need to hold his feet to the fire and he owes my congresswoman an apology, the whole administration does. and that is it for me. >> host: can you talk more about fredricka, can you talk about your experience as the congresswoman? >> guest: >> caller: she's a very responsive congresswoman and someone mentioned folks in the district have heard of her and she does what she is supposed to do an and sends out mailings and does all that stuff that you would expect your representatives to do. i can't vote for folks in primaries in florida, but i certainly don't for her in the
general for more folks to get involved. >> host: thanks for the call. what do you want to pick up on from their? >> guest: he mentioned the opioid issue and the fact that he would like to see reporters hold his feet to the fire and there has been some reporting sincee he came out in august and said there was a national emergency and that he would declare one. i remember the story in the times that pointed out where he said those and given what he said on monday that he would be making an announcement this week. i know one of myce colleagues is wworking on a story about what he's going to sa say and does he come out and issue the declaration and what will it mean for all the people in the country struggling with an opioid addiction. >> host: the stories from the
organization, simply on the issueon of overcoming opioid in the recent weeks and months, they have a listing of the stories that you have done. >> i think he asked the question that got him talking about this in the first place. as a great deal about why he hadn't been at the declaration of a problem getting all of these agencies in line to work on the same project basically. we also have a couple of reporters around the network. usa today calls it the network of papers around the country so we have the advantage much like php is getting people on the ground in these places where we are covering the epidemic from ground level and you are
seeing a lot of that now. >> host: on the line for democrats, goo ahead. >> caller: on the massive tax cut, the original proposal before the affordable one, it included an increase in the bottom marginal rate from 10% to 12%, something i have heard not one iota of conversation about, so the promise is offset by increases in the standard deduction and the elimination of certain deductions like the deductibility of state taxes. nobody can predict what it's going to be for people making pr $100,000 who may no longer be incentivized to itemize. they may wind up paying more taxes. anybody making under $10,000 a
yearju will pay 2% more representing infinity of their wealth so the question a is the substantiation of the bill does its, still included these in conscionable aspects of the tax increase for the poor? >> i recommend you google herb jackson, one of my colleagues at usa today who did an analysis of what the tax bill means for you and it gets to this point. the lowest tax bracket goes up from ten to 12. the theory is most of the people in the lowest tax break will go to zero, they will drop out entirely because the standard will be raised from 12 to 25,000. a lot of math this time of the morning. but the fact of the matter is he was asking people last year in the administration with his middle-class, like who does that
include and since we haven't seen the tax y bracket yet or te numbers in the bill, there is no telling who exactly they mean, and in exactly every one of these, the people at the high end of the bracket are taking deductions and they may see a tax increase. it's not clear who they will be in your not going to know until theyge get a tax increase. >> host: 15 or 20 minutes left. we will get to as many calls as we can. virginia come independence. go ahead. >> caller: i want to speak to the freeing up of the overseas part of this. it will have the opposite effect. businesses are overseas because they have cheaper costs to improve so if you free out and was more of this slide ove sligr they will continue to expand
overseas because no one is trying to bring them back because the cheaper cost you get more money to come back to the united states, so thatt would keep me to want to stay over there and that is my comment. >> host: the administration's focus so much so that this is one of the six or seven specific issues the president highlighted in the column when it came out in usa today. >> guest: he highlights that often when he gives speeches on the tax bill. the theory if you lower the corporateve tax rate to make the u.s. more competitive with other countries that will give u.s. corporations that are abroad and incentive to come back and bring jobs back to the u.s. and tax revenue and all those sort of things. again, it remains to be seen if it will work out that way but that is certainly what he is countingco on. >> host: we are looking for your comments on c-span if you want to follow along. two more have come up since
we've haout sincewe've had the n focusing on v. attacks that killed four u.s. soldiers. we won't get house hearings on trump until the democrats get it back on january 2016. it trumps me on this one. that comparison to benghazi, is that something democratic leaders want tole do, and how hs the white house been reacting to that comparison? >> guest: democratic leaders have mentioned this and also some republicans want more information on what we are doing. i think anytime american service members by in battle particularly in a battle apparently unexpected, the story is he spent 48 hours more or less missing before they had to go locate his body. there's a bunch of questions here that are worth asking and republicans and democrats will ask the questions.
now remember with benghazi, that became angh opportunity with the republican-controlled congress they created a separate stand-alone kennedy to d do the seventh or eighth investigation congress have already done. i would be shocked to see republicans create the same committee that i wouldn't be shocked s at all to see the armd services committeeee during an investigation or intelligence committee during an investigation on this. there are good reasonable questions to ask from just a technicalca and military standpoint of what took place. most americans didn't realize we had forces. those are questions people will want answers to. >> host: how has the white house reacted to that comparison? >> guest: basically swapping it away. the white house will never say
or agree that it is as serious as some people seem to think it is even though the american servicemen were killed in africa in an ambush in an unexpected sort of way but for now the white house is swatting away the comparisons. >> guest: one of the primary questions on the benghazi investigations were what was said in the talking points immediately after the description that would have taken place somehow was slandered for political reasons. it has nothing to do with the military questions and i think the military questions at the moment will be the first questions to answer. >> host: taught in manchester, callecall for democrats go ahea. >> caller: on the segment earlier about institutions american trust, i don't think it is a question simply is whether
we trust things or not but it's how much we trust american institutions and i think a lot of it is driven by how much the institutions themselves can profit. things like the fire department come everybody trusts the fire department come a great institution, we love it especially in manchester. they started the opioid safe house that's wonderful. if you look at all the different american institutions, whether it is the media, politicians, whatever it is the question becomes how much can they make and if they can make and they do make a lot of money off the american public and politicians often do, we trust them and if they are basically trying to provide a service tha that we tt him a great deal because motivated by self-interest it's not rocket science. >> host: the lowest trusted institution on the list was news on the internet trusted by only
16% of respondents in the survey. the military was the highest, traditionally the highest 72% down just a little from 2016 at 73%. news on the internet is that a profitable business? >> caller: it is profitable if you look at why they are doing it. it is driving to certain things. people have certain points of view they are tryingpe to drive like facebook they will put any news out because they make news off everything because they are collecting the data off the people that go there and they try to get you to do something usually because they profit off ofof that. but the military is about following orders and doing what's best for the country. and we honor and respect that. >> host: the second most trusted institutio institution l
businesses trusted by 70% of respondents. does that make sense? >> caller: it does. they are not overseas, so they will not get a tax break. i go down to the corner store and buying my milk and i'm talking to the owner. i have a relationship with him and while he tries to make a living he isn't trying to rip me off by charging $8 for a gallon of milk. >> host: do you want to jump j? >> guest: this is one of the things that we have seen as reporters come everybody hates the press of people like talking to reporters. when you walk outside the arena where they'vewh been yelling whatever they've been yelling, when you get outside and you have a conversation with them and told the point of view and look forward to seeing it online or on the wire. the virtual relationships we have a great deal of faith in each other oddly enough he
really do believe and i believe if i fall down on the sidewalk and break my wrist, a number of strangers will come up and asked me if i'm okay. they are not going to ask my politics were if i work for the fake news. >> host: does that attitude adage people hate the congress but generally like their congress person? >> guest: yes like frederica wilson, those that don't know her now she's a national figure and people are calling her a liar and all these things but the local person who knows her this she does a good thing for the district. >> host: anything you want to add? >> guest: i would agree, politics is local, the closer it is and the institutions or two people, you feel like you can get a handle on them and you know them better but someone in iowand and other members of congress you just don't get the sense that they are working for you.
>> host: debbie from troy and ohio, we are talking about the week ahead in washington and also trust issues. >> caller: i want to do with the congresswoman is going to supportr term limits and what hs she done for her community, send out mailers for $177,000 salary, and wearing a cowboy hat? that was a disgrace which he tried to do it now she's popular nationally. what has been done?
if the propaganda causing problems. >> host: why do you say that, why do you think the media works for the cia? >> caller: because they all say the same thing. they don't investigate, they work for the cia. >> guest: it's not true. the fact of the matter my team was doing an investigation with how much money the congress is spending on these investigations and we found millions of dollars that they know they have spent and we found that there's a bunch of a million dollars they won't tell us about a. you'll see stories that surprised republicans and that is what is supposed to have been. it is just not true that we all
regurgitate the same thing. >> host: how long have you been a reporter? >> guest: thirtysomething years. >> host: how did you decide you wanted to be a reporter? >> guest: i didn't want to do anything else. my goal when i was 11 or 12 was to be helen thomas and as a white house correspondent, no one has ever told me what questions i can't ask them and i never want to do anything about this. >> host: darlene, what was your passion at the white house briefingit room? >> guest: we've been in journalism about the same amount of time. i grew up in new york city and became infatuated with a local tv news anchor who i just idolized. i was an intern for the associated press, one thing led to another in new jersey for six years in washington since 1994.
>> host: we have a caller last week on the program say that journalists should be licensed and made to go to graduate school or journalism school and they should somehow be licensed. what do you make of that? >> guest: journalism is one of the things you get better act by doing it. i don't know that you necessarily need a license to do it and the fact that so many thople now are bloggers and citizen journalists is proof you can't really license journalism. >> guest: i used to teach journalism graduate school which i do not recommendt: to anybody but every journalist should be required to spend two years covering cityy hall or a town council or some local government or the cops beach where you see how governments function. that'snc the first thing, help
people see what the government actually does. i don't care if you've been to columbia journalism school, like that doesn't matter to me. what iu want to see is can you find facts that are not obvious that the government isn't providing on a silver platter, dig them up and explain to people this is what it means and what's in the bill. >> host: time for a few more calls. the line for democrats, good morning. >> caller: good morning. i want to talk about the elephant in the room with this tax plan but first experts are saying that this is going to explode the deficit and at about $30 trillion the next ten years to the best it seems to me i remember eight years complaining about the deficit and the debt.
i don't hear them saying a word about it now. that's the first thing. the second thing, the tax plan because of the break for the wealthy corporations it's the trickle-down approach all over again. it didn't work when it was tried before and it won't happen now because when we had trickle-down before, the wealthy folks and corporations instead of investing in their companies and creating jobs and hiring workers, but they did instead is invest the money to grow on wall street and that was it so we have two things that nobody is really addressing. i would like the reporter's comments on that. >> guest: it is true that the
bill isn't a balanced with a bill that we expect to soon isn't balanced and there are some republicans that seem to be sort of putting that aside in the interest of getting the tax cut bills. i forgot the other point. >> guest: you will be hearing this terminatio term called dyng and what they mean by that is the deficit numbers don't matter if you are expanding the economy enough and again the theory is if we get a tax cut and all of us are more productive than its more money for the government that is the theory. it's basically trickle-down economics. the whole idea is it comes back
and this is the theory you get the opportunity to use that money in the united statesu and it trickles down to a higher economy. it is a theory and a hypothesis we are going to test. >> host: the last call joe in louisiana. go ahead. >> caller: i've had a concern for a long time regarding the drug epidemic that is now receiving attention and has been softened not as a drug epidemic of an opioid epidemic. my second concern, why wasn't
this concern for something that was identified going on in the black community there was no concern about getting treatment. it wasn't considered an illness as itn is now. i don't understand what is the difference but now it's affecting, i think the difference is now it's affecting the white community. there is an illness in their community but when it's in the black community, they are thugs and they need to go to jail. they are no good and so on. does this happen to our community. nothing gets done until it affects the white community and that is wrong. >> host: i will give you both a chance to comment.
and we have heard that comment before from some of the calls. how will the president addressed this concern and do you think he will? >> guest: that is a good question and i am not sure he will. d we don't know what he's going to say this week. he did establish a commission that came out with a report that said something to the effect of 140 something people die each day from opioid abuse and it's the equivalent to 9/11 multiple times over. i think what may be different in the this situation is just staggering number of people that are dying every day from addiction to opioid abuse versus what we have been going on in communities with drug abuse. >> host: in the last minute or so. >> guest: i was reading an op-ed in usa today the president wrote about the 1980s and how great it was. i've livede not far from here d
most people in the community it was being ravaged by black cocaine and the response of the government at that time was the strict penalties, stricter longer sentences for drug crimes much of which now has been rolled back and i think that your questioni is the right question. is our response in part different because it's white peoplefe being affected and we cannot deny that is par it's paf what is going on here. it's also possible to culture evolvethe cultureevolved in howg use in general more of the disease than we did 20 years ago but i think it is also true that this has affected white suburban neighborhoods that are well-known to the members of congrescongress had gotten their attention.
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attendance to that advisory committee on investigation prosecution and defense of sexual assault in the armed forces. the secretary of defense all are participating here today. created by the secretary of defense according to the national defense authorization act as amended. and to revise the secretary with prosecution and defense of the allegations of sexual assault and misconduct involving members of the armed forces. and with that new deputy staff director please stand up so everybody can see you. coming to us from rhode island where he led the defense institute for the past three years.
to have significant experience serving as a staff judge advocate as the chief of military justice and as a trial counsel we are donated to have you here with us in today's being transcribed in debt will be posted on the web site. oh the immaterial provided are also available on the web site and a nextel would like to introduce our military service representative. in please stand for the benefit of the committee.
>> [inaudible conversations] >> so each public meeting includes a period of time for public comment. end if of a member of the audience like to comment please direct your questions do our staff director of public comments will be heard at the end of the meeting and at the discretion of the chair. we have an import reminder of why we're all here as you listen to the testimony of a courageous former air force senior airman and sexual assault the survivor but her experience level that has affected her life.
next we will turn the focus to the issue of the military transfer policy that only strictly report sexual assault. the department of defense and military services will explain policies than procedures and how they have been implemented to date. with special victims kelso from each of those services of the of program in the expedited transfer policy is working. this meeting will continue tomorrow morning at 8:45 a.m.. the focus of tomorrows meeting is illegal in response training received by commanders with those assaults allegations expedited request. what -- things for joining us today we are ready to begin thing swirl being here
and sharing your experiences. >> i'm sorry it will take meatus second to get situated. about to begin by letting you all know that i am honored you would have me here today to share this with akio bin that bear with me i am very nervous. i have some word recall issues there may be some pauses i'm just trying to figure out the word that
left my head. i also deflect the motion with humor i can either crack jokes on late in the fetal position and cry. seven megyn afternoon i retired senior officer and was the a nurse also known as a contracting specialist in the air force. i'm sorry. let me take a moment. >> take all the time you want. >> i was medically retired
may of last year. i think what is shocking that i never even deployed. might scariest encounters was california maryland with a population of seven people at the time with that air force base the really didn't do anything that was that intensify was pushed back for contingency but in 2012 i was raped and beaten almost to death by the year forced nco i spent almost two days in and out of consciousness on a concrete floor when i didn't show up
to work nobody came to check on me. during the assault biracial there was dislocated, my left femur was fractured damage to my spine after your behalf i found out i had a traumatic brain injury. when i reported to my command i was pulled into the commander's office in the superintendent acting for sgt and told sometimes it is better to embrace a the sock. nothing would be done and there would not be any help on the front. my superintendent did not
sate anything but his silence was agreement he did not question what my commander said and just went along with it. this led to be very hard trying to root suck it up but did not find out might femur was fractured for almost four months i ran on it and tell it was shattered. at the doctor they said was running too much and not in tall a major cadet said something was really wrong and send me for a bow and scanned and realize the damage that had been done. on my commanders part it was handled well but i would like 2.0 that often times we don't give the necessary training to those in charge
to give them the tools to deal with this type of situation. i am humbled to let you know, about two years after this happened with a lot of the scandal was coming out and i remember training on sexual assault with a lot more awareness was going space i was pulled assad if he said we handle your situation wrong what can i do to support you in and fix it? i would like to point that out because as a senior master sgt he had no real reason to stick up for me at that .2 years later to put in cellphone the wine but you would put his reputation on the line he was going through the of the local board to be medically
retired and i think that is important the character of someone who has so much humility to come back something and correct what was handled wrong. but in that aspect with him is truly lack of training were even knowing how to deal with this type of situation. my recovery process was not very smooth. i spent time in the intensive program for ptsd and i was in the unit with all military members from combat in the net women from all bridges to ladd
experienced military sexual assault and trauma and it was responding -- resounding the way the situation was handled was not done very well. i was pulled out of the program despite me thinking i was ready the following day but my superintended and supervisor they said that i have outperformed my peers because i was unable to work and so i would be docked to the level for the amazon and zaph level five to go around. this was on my birthday they
took me to lunch and had me sign that and went home to attempt suicide. and obviously did not work. i am here. i did not have access to a firearm so i found every poll that i could take -- bill. but with the branches with the wounded warrior program. but i became involved in this program at the very end of my time of active duty. they wanted to take me to the adaptive sports camp in like me and said if i took
my 15 days upon retirement and i thought it would be at the beach so i went. that was the turning point. i used to run the the better not and loved it. is that was devastating to me but day put me in a chair for the first time i've felt the wind blow past everything after that helped me grow and claim back some of that confidence. so with that aspect of the program i was given a mentor
who was incredible and finally that aspect with the ambassador program where i was taught to hopefully someone convey my story as i heal and that is what i was heard speaking and i have announced to attend. but support like this helped me grow and recover and that is important to point out that the programs put in place can be very effective for hopeful as long as there is not push back the unspoken non several
occasions. >> when i heard somebody speaking about how they were insulted because she no others are out there but there is such a stigma of shame and just to have somebody speak on it i remember saying me to. if you were on social media use sodbuster trend of #metoo that this were the two international words for people. but i have yet to speak anywhere to any crowd and
not be approached after words. usually in a hushed whisper or told to be told me to. the the impact of those who have been through a trauma and are recovering is something that cannot be ignored. if you have somebody in the same position you find strength. i am still learning to find my voice i hate public speaking in this is the uncomfortable subject but i remember being silenced and
the pain and the isolation that it brings so even if my voice is just a whisper i am very humbled and thankful that you listen to me. and that you would take these steps to try to protect and enforce federal laws so in the future hopefully things like this will not happen as much. thank you. >> do have one question. >> how long from your attack you to get to that program you found hopeful?. >> the program, the words are is keeping me. the program has differing
camps each region. the first one was april 2016 maya sold happened 2012. , that is a good question. 2014 and when my a case officially started it took a couple of years but if they start sooner in the process i am not sure about the other bridges but on the air for side they had a huge uptick of the moment to catch people faster had been able to get into a program like this sooner they may
not be an estate that i am today. it would have been faster and better if not quite so rocky but also on the side the way sexual assault is handle then general on the air for side i was saying earlier if happen to me have been today and not in 2012 it would be handled vastly different in for that i am very thankful the strides are made. >> when you got out of the hospital and live back to the unit hal williams integrated back into the unit in what kind of jobs did they give you an?.
>>. >> i had two surgeries on mice sold -- shoulder and to a receiver to reconstruct and of course, the when you treat somebody like a monster they become a monster and in general they didn't know what to do with me. they just put me away in the cuban to give me stuff to do. i took pride in my job but was very good at my job. i took pride in what i did. my work indefinitely suffered after words. part of that was undiagnosed ptsd and also traumatic
brain injury also lack of support but not understanding how to get help any more. i think it is important to be engaged with your members to carry out that mission to be reduced to almost nothing that was definitely one of the key factors of trying to take with old life that i was stripped of my dignity of my job and might profession and my family. and to be kept in secret did not help certainly. >> from your perspective i
know lit was 2012 but as you have been speaking out and talking to people where you see the biggest need for improvement?. >> i am devastated to say that at least half the people that i talked to never reported anything. nine even restricted reports there is silence and they have been silenced. many people of bin in the same situation reaching out trying to get help and they were sentenced. even people who were not the victim but knew the victim and spoke out and almost lost their life because of it and nothing was done. i have encountered both men
and women and the numbers are shocking not reported at all but nothing came of it. on pindar stand it is difficult to prosecute but the way that it is handled at the beginning but for me when i was diagnosed with the traumatic brain injury they said we would of dunmore if you came in 48 hours after this happened but i was still lying on the concrete floor with nobody even looking for me. one of the biggest disconnects is with the leadership required don't think it is malicious but just a lack of training and
ignorance to what to do with the situation. that even commanders don't know what to do. >> first of all, think so much for being here. and with your courage since 2012 so proud of this community is looking at the review process for those cases that are investigated by the military. i don't have of the of background of the process or what your perspective is on that with your case?. >> there are different avenues you can take i took
reporting to my command and when i will shutdown and it was made it known i would -- they would not have a back after doing quite a bit of research into trends and how they go to trial and the percentage of people that are prosecuted of an action that is taken in then to look especially in the of military you see that come out in the base letter if they drove drunk they're kicked out of the assault someone they go in for a month with reduced pay nine months. is that what my dignity was worth? is that what my life is worth? i see that from
so many other people around me so i literally had no one to support me i am very sorry. spin neck a joy the others thanks for your courage did anything happen to the man who insulted you of those higher up who did not help?. >> nothing happened with the man who insulted me. as for my commander, because i was having such a hard time network i was assigned to help put together his retirement ceremony.
nothing happened to him. >> at some point did you report?. >> at this point when they speak to other wounded warriors they tend to want to say where is he you did not have justice. let's bring justice but i say someone told me yesterday there different types of justice bryophyte years out i have been through one heck of a mental health fight and i am not exactly rock-solid on the mental health aspect. so this is my justice to be
a voice for those who have been silenced. >> you were doing that very eloquently. >> i just want to it knowledge to you have found your voice. is beautiful and strong. thank you. >> think you so much for coming and sharing your experiences with all of us. >> we will take a short break. we are on recess.
>> during the break had the opportunity to speak further to the speaker before asking about her service dog she had with her she authorized me to share, each he has aided in her recovery and how important the dog is issue paid for the dog out of pocket and did not have access to that as part of her recovery sludges thought it was important for us to know that piece of information the image that has helped her recovery. >> we're now going to begin the briefing the expedited transfer policy we have quite the distinguished
panel only ms. massey is missing from the printed agenda. >> we will start briefly then go down the road. >> greetings it is nice to be here. thanks fur talking about expedited transfers. so to give some context how that came up, in 2011 in the sexual assault response program was about four or five years old and we had lots of conversations and had that cadre of response coordinators and coordinated response to fill some
significant gaps of but we could do to support victims as they went through the military justice process. one of the things that spark to the additional focus on this problem was secretary panetta. he went and had a conversation with a number of members in congress fall 2011 and asked what else could we do to push the program forward a and make a difference? one of the first things we could do was create -- create expedited transfers we heard they were making reports of sexual assault as you heard previously some of thought -- them could not move from the unit to or get away from the individual that had sexually assaulted them.
from a clinical psychology standpoint i would tell you that that continued strong but to be exposed to that person continually were the people that impacted you in a terrific way prevents you from healing the retards of healing process if you were continually traumatized with that expedited transfer process we could jump-start to give people a chance. as we were having conversations not only with victims but also members of a thought this was a very important piece as well so we came to the conclusion this would be helpful approach. so with me today is the senior policy advisor who will give more details but i just wanted to say thanks for taking a look at this
this has ben helpful and has evolved over time since we kicked off in 2012. >> i have been with the office since 2009 so was responsible putting together transfer guidance suggest to provide some dates and then getting into the details of policy the first experience was issued may 6th by under secretary stanley they were required to issue guidance with the following three criteria if there was incredible report to assure the transfer would on negatively impact the career
and authorize if the request is denied. said to make sure those transfer policies of 2011 but there was a lot of interest and discussion so o consequently so with those memoranda which is a temporary policy across duty issued summer 16 later incorporated permanently from 2013. congress passed its own version of for fyi 2012 and that included the 72 hour decision for that expedited
transferred. >> one month after with the pentagon secretary panetta announced a new policy and stated for those victims of sexual assault so this time they allowed to authorize the transfer so we did not have to offer a policy so now turning to one of the details of the actual policy so with that situation so
with that retaliation so we victims with a protest is an advocate that had to be initiated and then there were 72 hours after words said the policy does establish a presumption in favor of transferring the service member and that is made by the commander in the military criminal investigator after looking and all evidence available at the time. if there is no credible report then that decision must be documented. there is a misconception as to the presumption the
transfer is not in favor of the exact location it could be permanent or temporary around 90 days it -- the days the world's or outside of the insulation or within the installation. to different barracks so maybe a night shift not only is the victim has to be transferred. so it depends on the necessity of the operational needs. so it shows those service member is dependent and in those circumstances it should be completed within 30 days in within the installation is should be within a week and we do say
that there are detailed and circumstances so be mentioned already within 72 hours if the commander disapproves that it is the victim's choice to appeal is not automatic if the victim wants to appeal then they have 72 hours to approve or disapprove. so to make every reasonable effort to make a clear progression. a commander has the enumerated list to review and we have a handout that has that list but i want to point out three criteria that have to be reviewed. one of them is of a temporary transfer meets the of service number need to in the operational needs of the unit the availability of
positions and the status of the investigation and potential impact and future dispositions in consultation with the other north carolina i go. and to go to court martial they may have to return also with a handout number one there are four additional areas several service members have to be informed when is the potential inf pact on the investigation or the initiation of other adverse actions so when the of victim is transferred out there is a handoff to the receiving commander is still receiving advocacy services or if legal proceedings are still ongoing. the reason why this is done
to facilitate additional services for the victim so that will limit the status of the open investigation in the ongoing legal proceedings and that handout number two is the commanders responsibility so for every sexual assault case there is a case management that is needed in during that meeting they review all victim services and coordination all parties come together including advocates and health care and legal officers and they have a discussion about the case they discuss allegations or retaliation or responders or any members to the case also expedited
transfer military protective orders or any safety issues for coca nco house to call into that local meeting to provide updates on the progress are the challenges in the effort to facilitate any investigation issue. the case is on the agenda until all proceedings are complete and there is no further advocacy services. included in the expedited program it is very difficult for victims to report it is always extremely challenging it is amazing anybody ever comes forward with such a horrific events in their lives expedited transfer has been mandated on two
separate occasions and chew tobacco secretary panetta by protecting from harassment and they move to the alleged perpetrator. >> we will hold questions until the end. >> good afternoon i am the director of the navy's sexual assault to branch since 2013 as a civilian prior to that in uniform. i will talk specifically about the importance of the expedited transfer policy process in addition to the right thing to do to support the victim it is important for any sailor past suffered a trauma to get them both
personally and professionally help so they can continue their career and contribute to the service they love. and that we need them to do. we have found the reason sailor's request expedited transfer living away from the subject also those to move closer to the support infrastructure whether family or friends or some support services depending on where they're located prior if they need to move for additional support services. the policy has been in place several years is you have heard read is completed a review of the process to make sure it is as good as it can be there will be some
tweaks we can make to that and one specific policy that is a little bit different is in the request process if that is not approved by the commanding officer it automatically goes to the first live officer does not make the victim make another request so that ultimately day make that decision so without being duplicative thanks again for inviting us to discuss this and we invite any questions that you may have. >> in afternoon per cry working headquarters marine quarters sexual response to have been with the program since 2011 and on board when policies to a crime the task
of the expedited transfer process and have been supporting is since that time. i will not reiterate the policy it is important to keep the of victims in mind as well as make sure it was a seamless process we wanted the marine who got the expedited transfer to fall back into the process not standing out any more than necessary so we took it upon ourselves to work with management to build day process to have a liaison and work with those victims to submit their request and it works that their location we walked downstairs and hand of paper work over and
that flows right into the regular transfer process. there are only certain people in manpower management at work through those expedited transfers so that is to ensure the of victim is not pointed out was registered so when it happens it is just recorded as a transfer in that was important to us. we have been very successful and we just went to another review we have included the expedited transfer process with commanders so they know what that will look like from headquarters if they're receiving a victim or losing a victim. again i do believe it has ben a successful process
they are very supportive fact the headquarters level i will be happy to answer any questions. >> afternoon i am the chief from the of violence division at headquarters airforce and we are responsible for the five types of violence whether they are sexual and that sexual assault prevention. i have been with the program three months officially although i have been engaged with the office for about a year. so i will not try to be repetitive but our expedited
process primarily with that office with that response with air force family advocacy program those three areas of regulation. that expedited transfer process is the needs of the victim after the report of a sexual assault. as part of that comprehensive and other agencies play a role of that transfer program to include but not limited to with that health care from the medical agencies from the office of special investigation
facilitated by the judge advocate general and with that effectiveness in continuity and leadership structure and with the response agencies. >> with that expedited transfer program. so the air force staff for office to use the back and record refuse to look for opportunities so for example, lit has focused on ensuring we can transition to victims locations and to continue the healing process.
so by moving to a new location and nobody knows about the sexual assault but the process insurers the commander are aware of the arrival with that confidentiality allows the unit commander to have that ability to act appropriately and with the support after a rival. this policy change was published with the air force and guidance. so committed to the smooth and orderly expedited transfer policy. bin of those large defenders
there are several options to facilitate the environment. in to read udag program at the headquarters level to work very diligently to sustain that culture we want that program to be collaborative with all agencies we're making adjustments at all levels. we value the feedback of all types in use that to build the most effective program is especially when we realize they're at their most vulnerable. thank you for the opportunity and i look forward to your questions spread good afternoon i with united states coastguard. i am a central assignment
coordinator at the personal service center. i received civil rights for enlisted personnel with transfers of members whether a normal transfer or expedited transfer request. only the other services the coast guard issued a personal assault service center handles all request including be expedited transfers so they all come to the coast guard and are evaluated at that time. set to go through procedures , upon a request of the expedited transferor the sexual assault prevention crisis intervention teams which is like the case management
group will convene including the special agent in charge as well as the medical representative from the victim's a and subjects command. so how to determine how to process the request and if they transfer themselves or have the subject moved and that the victim's request. if you want to do move to area of a support network of family or continuing to get the recovery services that they can get. the request will come to us within 72 hours and we have two weeks to determine if we can approve the request.
at that time we cut to the order san day have seven days to execute and they will be moved. we do not make the notification to the receiving commands that responsibility falls to brief the incoming command. . . >> we find that we have very good success and often we reengage to come from the members receiving services they
need for the best possible outcome. for two questions. >> on the policy branch chief for the sexual-harassment assault prevention office. have been here since 2015. overall the army policy mirrors those that have been already been briefed i want to share with your processes and procedures specific to the army. our service specific contained in the army directed called expedited transfer aided octobe. the annual military personal messages that supplement the policy and the army human resources command publish them in february 2017. the army's policy that there's a presumption in favor transfer in
favor of a sexual assault victim at his or her request. following a credible report. after considering all available evidence and advice of the supporting legal officer concludes their reasonable grounds to believe sexual assault has been committed against the person. a transfer reassignment includes but is not limited to the victims temporary permit movement to unit within the same battalion and brigade, to unit within the same division to unit on the same installation credit different geographic location. a transfer reassignment medically provisions to perform their active duty at a different weekend or with a different unit than the home drilling location. when a victim files report the sexual assault coordinator will
notify them of their ability to request an expedited transfer. when they file a restrictor report will be notified that an expedited transport will be an option. everybody receives a string their professional training. the soldier must initiate the sun writing on and army personnel form and submit the request to the commanding officer. the officer will document the date and time the request is received within 72 hours commander must provide decision regarding the request. the approval authority for moves that don't cost army service commands are direct reporting units is the lowest level commander exercising authority over both units. the disapproval authority is the first general officer for senior
executive service in the soldier's chain of command. the decision must be made within 72 hours of disapproval. the approval authority that do come the disapproval authorities of the senior commander provided the senior commanders a general officer. if they're not a geo than disapproval authorities the first geo sef in the soldier's chain of command. decisions must be made within 72 hours. the commanding general can execute command endorsements our next but i do transfer involving pcs percent hrc and contain a case member in a statement
explain why they're requesting the move. it should include appropriate recommendations to the first commander in the chain of command. this will include over the local move was was consider, the victim may have to return for prosecution, future disposition of the allegation of potential consequences against the alleged offender, the potential for bonus recruitment if applicable. reasonably foreseeable career packs and any other possible outcomes that could come from granting such requests. the soldier understands the selection of a permanent station is not guaranteed and they believe their reassignment is in the best interest of the soldier in the organization. recommendations of approval the
commanding general of hrc normally major general is the disapproving authority. a victim might request bcs location as part of their expedited transfer request, pcs expedited transfers are made to a valid authorized in the united states and in accordance to the needs of the army. due to the size of the army they do have latitude to grant soldier location request. hrc does it best to honor the location when possible. if the soldier is an infantry, feel motility hrc is more likely to honor the request because that more flexibility. it becomes difficulty when it's a parachute rigor or technical specialist. since the policy went into effect six years ago were victims have been transferred to
fort hood than any other location. the army feels the expedited transfer program is a service offered to victims of them recover. victims of sexual assault may not wish to remain in the current organization after the incident. requiring a soldier to remain with have a desire to leave might negatively affect their well-being as well as the function of the organization. review of an action of the victims request is an important component to the response to a credible report. thank you. >> thank you for being here. i like each one to answer this. could you tell us the effect of the transfer and the victim participation in the military
justice system. victim care and services, and have data on the retention of those transfer victims? >> on behalf of the navy, the effect of the victim one of the things you vast and i don't have specific statistics that would indicate participation by an edited transfer victim as a percentage of a whole versus their participation without. we would need to go back and see if we can grab anecdotally there's nothing were aware of at this point that would indicate a gap in the process. more so than we find in a non-
expedited transfer done. >> if we can maybe give you a preview of what the data will say we talked in january, our data says that folks that receive it next data transfer participate in the justice system at just about the same rate as folks that don't receive but the number and data and what the service prediction picture will look like will come in january. >> you also asked about the support system. >> again, we have no indication the expedited transfer victims is different than any other unrestricted reporting victim. >> give any idea what the retention is?
>> we began looking at that we look at the process because of the fact that the policy is relatively new there's not a lot of run time to determine whether it be higher or lower retention them for unrestricted components versus sailors who don't make report of the sexual assault at all. we continue to pursue this. but at this point i don't have data to provide. >> that be the same with marine corps regrets retention data. the impact on services, one of the things we look at closely before the request will come to us in the want to come through us were cognizant of what
services are needed and we make sure the location is also cognizant of what is where. our goal is to make sure they are transferred to a location that has the support services that are available to them. even if the victim would request a reserve unit sitting in a remote location, even though it might be near support system we would have a conversation to go through how damaging that would be working in a very small unit and we would try to redirect their preference to location where they would get better support so the team effort to
ensure the victim is in the process of wanting advocacy that they get placed in a location where they can get the care and support. >> similar to my colleague, i don't have data either on the retention aspect, in terms of victim care and services that's one of the considerations we expect the commander to discuss with the victim when requesting expedited service. also when you guidance was published that allows the air force to notify the commander. the hope is there be more discussion and analysis on what is available in the local area to support that prior to transferring location. intensive data were collecting a
little bit later that have to say that either the justice system can certainly connect and reach out and touch the metal signs from a victim perspective. we have not found raising changes in their ability to participate or not participate. >> like my colleagues i don't have data about the retention of the justice system. when we look at support network in them, submitted it has a section for medical support services requested at that time and we want to ensure that the victims are getting the best possible services where they're going and providing the emotional support system to where they may be going to.
>> i don't have data on the retention or specifics on the military justice system. it is one of the things the commander discusses the have to travel back to participate. as i alluded to especially a high density the first look at making sure there are services at the location that government provided services with colleagues in the marine corps. because there are multiple locations they can look at the request of the soldier and see if they have that support network nearby. so there able to provide that victim care. >> it is a research study and we are doing that research.
i don't think i have anything for you in january but were looking at different sources to get after that we have some research to understand how that works. there's no identifier in a personnel situation so that lines up with folks that have on file in the database. then i back that up with people who have been separated in addition we have to know if that's a normal separation rate for folks anyway seek and see whether separation is higher lower for folks that participated in a transfer program. >> retention is an important thing. but to not have a career i
military because of the sexual assault there also can be a recruiter out there but not a positive one. so how we take care of victims and if we can retain them that's great, but we need the numbers. >> agreed. >> in the monthly meeting they talk about what other access to services the victim wants whether medical, mental health, if you're having difficulty getting into mental health clinic to a nearby facility or things like that. but that monthly check in helps identify what parts of the system even when they transfer.
>> like to see whether not there's any methods in place to look at from the perspective of the service and how well they think this is working. if they get to the new commands do they feel as though they are arriving without any stigma associated with the circumstances do they view the services the receiving the services equal to or better we have seen the similar top-down directives, how do you measure your success with the views of the people. >> one of the things will make sure the committee gets is the results of our first right survey that asked the questions that you just did that of the
folks that received the force wide survey the receiver expedited transfer we have rates of how well that worked for them on a number of variables. will make sure you get the results of those. the workplace and gender relations survey in the military investigation and justice experience survey which goes to victims of sexual assault so will make sure the committee gets that data. >> the justice experience survey is anonymous survey. the workplace and gender relations survey is confidential. >> just a follow-up question,
was the response rate on the surveys? to have a high response rate? >> with the workplace and general relation survey's between 29 and 30%. serve randomized sample. the military experiences little different, we've been looking at ways to boost the response rate that's been very low response rate and represents a hundred 50 victims or so. the first time we did it was two years ago and only 200 folks responded. >> how does that translate into response rate? >> i don't have the percentage off the top of my head but it's low. it certainly is not generalizable. it's a convenient vote sample folks who completed the justice process. more information is coming.
>> the workplace and gender relations survey is course wine keep in mind that the smaller categories you go into the margins of error increase because it's a representative sample. the bottom line is, some categories we don't report up every service that we can give you the experience as a whole. >> several of you indicated that the transfer can be both for the victim and the perpetrator, is that true for all of the services? >> this applies to victims make an unrestricted report of sexual
assault. the discipline of any unit the officer can move an individual with unit and that could potentially be used with the subject. >> do know what the percentages when these allegations are made this whether it's a transfer of the alleged victim. >> that went the perpetrators transferred to someone notify at that new location of why the transfer has occurred? >> speaking on behalf of the navy we don't have a policy that would enable a subject of a sexual assault to be transferred. typically what happened there moved out of the unit is within the same chain of command maybe from a squadron to wing level. it's not necessarily something someone at the navy would
transfer anyway. >> several branches said that you could transfer i like to know what the receiving facility know the reason why? >> it's required by law so it was for the victim and that was within a 72 our timeframe. so there is no timeframe required, it's not the punitive reasons. >> does anybody have statistics on how often that is done? >> several hundred cases of transfers happen every year.
the numbers that are declined are small, i don't have the top numbers off the top of my head. one of the reasons we track is a subject of the accused is moot instead and i've numbers on the. >> whether it's the good of the order is still a suspect in transfer presumably where the plaintiff does not want to be relaxed not to. so the receiving institution told the underlying reason for the good of the order. >> there's a requirement to be reviewing all inbound personnel and if there is sexual assault related it would be on that record. it's a protocol that is followed for any inbound transfer and it would be annotated.
but the commanders have that discipline they're probably maintaining control of the alleged offender subject. it would be on that marine record and the commander would advise on that. >> so for the airports i would have to confirm with my colleagues to answer that specific question as to whether there would be a chain of command notify of circumstances surrounding and similar to my colleagues here there certainly looking into that record. we could get back to the committee on that and so they have an opportunity for that
transfer. i can say that the receiving would not be open with the alleged offender because their advocates for the victims. >> thank you for bringing that up. we are not involved in any movement of the alleged offender. we don't classify that as an expedited transfer. it's just a marine corps move if that's the direction the commander asked to take. >> we do have policies in place and the command will be notified
usually extend through the legal channels and we try to place a large subject within the same jurisdiction area. if the incident occurs in miami will try to keep that person somewhere in florida to allow the case to continue. they need to be offered the opportunity so they can progress and serve in a public area with oversight. the number of people that know is limited to the senior command officials. >> for the army it's very similar as well. the commander can move aside however all subjects are flagged. if a subject is move the flag would be in the file for the new command team to see. >> i just want to make sure you understand what it is the new command has information.
i appreciate that the investigation may be new by definition is a credible complaint otherwise it would not be something necessary for the global discipline in the military. if the receiving command there's a flag on the and they don't have some idea we have to protect both the rights of the victims and the rights of the accused, do they have information that there may be this allegation and for no other reason than not sending them to your location that's the level that were trying to get her hands on and there's a plague on
that. >> i cannot answer for what policies they put money rights and context while this policy didn't exist in as a criminal investigator, what i will tell you is that when a criminal investigation happens when the first steps the individual is put on some kind of administrative hold for flag. this is so they cannot initiate to move away or retire separate. the second thing is command is regularly briefed about the status of a criminal investigation.
a move like this the defense attorneys and criminal investigators will all have dibs on where the accused is going to be. person isn't just picked up and moved in the system. so, it's not as if somebody would turn up in your unit and you would not know because this person is going to be going through justice perceiving things along those lines. allow us to connect the dots on what the policy says. >> under investigation for sexual assault or just under investigation. >> will have to find that out the. >> are there any due process rights for the accused for
example, i understand it's for good order and discipline but for them being the subject of an investigation there's no other reason so my question is, is there an appeals process for them? in the follow-up question, how are the military defense responding to suspects? are they filing motions for relief from awful pretrial treatment? are they seeking mason credit? to know if there's impact on the military justice system. >> i don't know, i'm not an attorney but what i would say is those are good questions for follow-up attorneys in the law i can tell you there is no provision i know of that a