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tv   Sen. Corker Sen. Warner on Bipartisanship  CSPAN  November 16, 2017 7:51pm-9:05pm EST

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[applause] >> hello everyone and senators thanks for coming tonight we will visit for about 50 minutes together it's like the doors are shut of the subway in the war trapped and we will take some questions from the live audience and facebook life because we are live. so we take it that bipartisanship is good we want people to work across the aisle as a good thing. so when we get into the nitty gritty that is not always the case i know when democrats were in charge the democrats did not want to give them the victory it was
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too close to the election year but then the republicans were doing the same even passing simple bills together. so start by asking the question is there any point to buy partisanship anymore end what point does it serve ?. >> bipartisanship means when you pass a piece of legislation that will serve the - - pass the test of time now one supports the other the other party immediately begins to try to unwind it. if you can get 70 or 80 percent success on the other side there is always some overlap then again that will stand the test of time and for what it is worth in the foreign relations committee, we never start a process without a bipartisan
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way with a marker on the intel committee. >> do you agree?. >> i agree. if there is one thing i have learned and why we do have had careers in the business with the idea to say i will take ideas from this half of the room but not ideas from this half of the room? that is fundamentally foreign to anyone from a business background and in politics that could be the whole endeavor where they're only success is fundamentally different from that principle. and i would also argue there is no other system in terms of democracies around the world that is built like cars for girl that was set
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up to require that forced compromise neither party has a monopoly on truth and if you don't have that bipartisanship they don't stand the test of time but you will end up in the repeated gridlock. after one of the debates if we cannot find ways to break through this bin will we stand the test of time? i was never a fan until recently but in many ways whoever wins i think our system works better for the most part over the last cater 10 years but that should raise questions in my mind. >> so to talk about a universal truth what is going on? so talk about
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your home states. >>. >> whenever we are together. [laughter] i think we turn the keys to the extreme. >> how did they get the key?. >> they bring the energy this sense of we have is of meriden's of red shirt and blue shirt and i would argue that it has gotten worse we are concentrating too much power not a critique of any prospective leader but republican and democratic leaders in the house and
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senate where in the settings that we can always work together there were more worse power centers that were a distinct that they could concentrate into the party leadership and then when it is reinforced we end up with this divide. >> i think you do think in terms of the chairman so what is your observation? what do you feel on chairing a committee that is traditionally bipartisan? do you agree?. >> i would make up a different point why foreign policy is so important to the safety of men and women in uniform at least that the insurers' hedge it is
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important that we work together in with foreign policy to make sure absolutely it stands of a test of time i have never been partisan but number one, i know people back home don't like to hear this but washington reflects the country and the country is very divided. second, talk about the way the whole congress has changed, we used to have people in the northeast that were republicans weigh more liberal bin southern democrats. so bipartisanship was easier to come by but now if you would get the map and follow ideology it does not overlap as much we have basically
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destroyed the senate. that 60 vote threshold is off now when i first came here it wasn't quite this way but when i came in 2006 fast forward two years later what happened with the outside groups started to score the votes not even the actual vote but the cloture vote so now bull's-eyes schumer is under pressure to block and we have taken something that was supposed to be used to stop debate because it had been debated so long overusing it to stop from going ahead. so now that requires you to
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allow something to go ahead. or that threshold will have rules that i hope does not happen. >> i don't believe the country is as divided. there are regional differences but we generate a lot of that enthusiasm for mr. trump and the thought of just get things done feeling so i don't want to start off with disagreeing. >> what do you think about that bifurcated media culture where people are getting their information only from one news source that it is the universal truth? we didn't have to worry about that i am feeling at the "new york times." [laughter] but do you have feelings? even in your own states?.
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>> i think everything you watch past 6:00 in the evening is detrimental to your thinking. [laughter] [applause] . . . . anger leads many articles at length and so i have no idea what he is thinking about things and yet, most people go through life and
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now kids are just getting these headlines which don't give any news, but the evening cable programs even though i respect many of the commentators, i really do, i just can't watch it and it's sad to me that our nation is really entertaining. it's where you keep the base excited and bridled up and if you can build upon that and want to go more energetic or extreme than what you're doing, then you make more money and people are viewing it as news, but it's not. and it hurts. >> and we both grew up in the age where we started with just three networks and you have basically walter cronkite and
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there was a common back stitch but you can argue about. i was in the technology business longer than politics, but this enormous ecosystem that we created this social media and the increasing number of people in those devices, the average couple of guys that used to be on facebook and google say look at the device is about 150 times a day and again, we are the only kind of an giving the companies every time we look at the devices more information about us.
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they are not driven to one side or the other but if you look at a conservative story, they've got to produce a more conservative and outrageous story. so where is the common square where you start with the same news front and now we have different sets of facts and the ability for outside forces with a little bit of money and a few number of hackers to manipulate the news that comes on any of our devices no matter how non- factually based that's only going to exponentially worse in. >> you mentioned the interference. let's talk about that a little bit more. you have made an effort to make that bipartisan. do you think that your committee
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can produce a consensus document? >> we have the consensus that they interfered in our elections and i think we will have a clear consensus that they didn't change the votes that they touched the electoral systems and they need to up their game because they will be back and we've got to figure out a way to sort through i/o pin collaboration with social media companies that bear some responsibility if we are still in the disclosure to be partners in this. i think there remains a huge open question and one of the things we've tried to do is the question of was there or not inclusion i am keeping an open mind until the end. we have more people to talk to. i think if we can come through a bipartisan conclusion, it would
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be extraordinarily valuable to the country. having the issue like this and some split i think would be very determined to let time will tell. does it bother you the president of the united states is using this to basically look at all of the probes into russia is a witch hunt? spinnaker isn't a single member including all the people president trump appointed. they were reluctant to acknowledge the suggestions at first. you talk to the french and their cycle and they know about the disinformation campaign. here's the frightening thing.
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add up all of the money they spend and double it down and there's still one airplane so this is a great investment in the way that i think the conflict will start to play out and of course it bothers me that we don't have a whole of government approach to stop it. it could be the chinese or some other entity going forth on how to prevent that. >> looking at that, in an odd way do you think that president trump has created some bipartisanship that's pushed a lot of democrats further to the left. remember when they said there is moderate democrats that will have to vote for the healthcare bill it didn't work out that way. i think we can all agree they would be unified against the president, but senator corker do
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you observe the areas with democrats and republicans together i know the senators made a big deal about the policy differences and how to address beas issues so do you think that in that way there is a bipartisan coalition? >> i don't know that i want to do the cause and effect necessarily. bernie sanders and rand paul. i rest my case. [laughter] i don't want to jinx something but there's a number of other things.
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i think what is happening in the senate i've seen the senate and i think your committee is doing the same thing, i know we are. i think they are beginning to rise to the occasion. i want to be careful about my comments because of some of the things that happened the last 60 days but there i is an better correction coming out of the white house that typically would come out of the white house like on a healthcare bill typically the white house would produce what it is they want to pass. tax reform worked closely together. i see the senate rising to the
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occasion. i've been proud of the recent hearings we had. we just did one on the nuclear issue is. moving back to the place all of us would like it to be we are going through some big issues right now and from our standpoint and many standpoints and in inappropriate wa an appro these big issues and. i see the senate taking up some of the vacuum where you might have things directly coming out of the white house. there's a little bit more candid about some of your feelings.
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in terms of your personal journey shall we say, you played an inside outside game if you will. you wouldn't hold back on your criticism of things they did. did he ask you to be president of the state and is that something people assumed you would want to do? we will get back to that. you tried to do both things but some things seem to make you
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throw up your hands and say forget it. what can you tell us from behind the scene as? [applause] first of all i don't think so there have been some issues at the top. these are the people i was dealing with anyway. i'm talking with generals and
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others and nothing has really stopped. who knows, i was one of those people that sometimes gets called for times a week by the president and when a big decision was being made and he had his staff sitting around the oval office, they would call before a big decision was being made and i am still someone that was called about the big things but yes, i think what probably began is i was critical when i needed t it to be in by this constructive when i needed it to be. they were meant to be constructive and where things got a little bit more cursed was after the charlottesville deal.
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the governing model for dividing the country to solidify the base is just not one that i could adhere to. [applause] there was something about the episode that's turned up the volume a little bit. he had not yet demonstrated stability nor some of the confidence necessary to be successful. the world needed to be successful.
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at the meeting ended fine and i don't know what the second series was. one sunday morning they were repeating something i said, i don't know what it was but it generated a tweet.
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i don't know, i just typed out the response and he said let's take a 2 20 minute breath on ths one. [laughter] it's just not the way that i conduct myself, but i think that half the time you have to push back. i know it's going to sound pretty boring. i've been meaning to tell you about for ten years now.
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i do think there are moments in their relationthe relations come intelligence committee we have virtual unanimity with fairly significant t bill didn't get a lot of attention right now with nine democrats and nine republicans on some relief for community banks and putting the band back together on the reform, which is literally one of the most complicated issues i've ever dealt with. but, there are things that frankly just to see off. it was only trying to be done for one team and now missing a
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vote or two, which i can already tell you what the results are going to be, i spent years trying to get the country to focus on the debt and deficit. i was an advocate for the bill as well and i worked in the only place where being a gang member is a good thing. we need reform in the country, but this process where it is done with one team only, there was a great visual contrast. the president ronald reagan's proposals from the last time we reformed, and president trump was a flyer. we are talking about something now that would have $10 trillion worth of an effect. it's going to badmouth 1.4 but based on a group we both respect in the federal budget all these
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kind of exploding timebombs, 500 plus million dollars of these exploding things and another 2.2 trillion. and the kind of unwillingness to sit down and say we have to find a way to make america competitive on the international basis and we often make the tax code simpler that would mean trying to bring money back to. it felt like after the health-care debacle took two or three times failing that was an effort given me a lot of lamar
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alexander, patty murray how can we put some together on health care and then it slowed down a little bit. if this effort on the finance fails, we ought to be able to do this in a way that makes us more competitive. the lack of fiscal responsibility is such an embarrassment. let's talk about this tax bill it would raise the dead by a trillion dollars over ten years and likely passed by a single
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democrat. curious how you think that could have gone differently. you were complaining about the process and you mentioned the obamacare process. is that a positive comparison even though it ended up being completely partisan in the end coming and how do you personally think that the situation could have gone better? >> of course we are not comple complete, but i think both sides of the aisle have through the years begun to take greater and greater advantage of the reconciliation of us never intendethat was neverintended tt is the process by the way where one side of the aisle if they have control of both sides can pass which is the 150 plus one vote. so it's not good. above rule you can't really end
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up with a product that works as well as if you did it under regular order and you don't have all those things that keep you from doing it in the most elegant and appropriate way. we can come up with a better process if we took a longer period of time to make it happen so you end up in a situation where you say i wish we were doing it in a different way that this is the way that it's being done, the decision is being made at a different level so then you come into do yo in to do you lie substance or not. is it a substance you agree with or not and i think for the
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republicans do two things they were elected on his health-care reform and tax reform and i hope what is going to occur in the process after it is completed we can move to a regular order issue where there is some sort f an urgency around dealing with those issues and moving them out of the way. >> the only thing i would add to that, what i heard from so many of my colleagues we should and e excessively to our death. the only place in america if we are running 600 billion this year we high five each other. we would be bankrupt and the
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notional idea. america ranks in new york -- the competitive tax we have a smaller government then i'm advocating here so one of the things i hear is if this effort doesn't go through democrats von and we will be at a disadvantage.
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if you want to find a way to bring back $2 trillion find a way to bring back a modicum of the tax relief, sign me up but what to do it anyway that has input from both sides and also doesn't add dramatically to the debt because going back to what bob earlier said, not that it's going to be a precursor of next year though i hope it will be. [applause] [inaudible] you are not going to have any certainty because if they win next year the first thing they will try to do is the one party solution on taxes and health.
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it isn't so complicated that there isn't a way to figure it out. >> voting against rid of the popular bills one of two people against a very popular veterans bill wasn't even attempted to be paid for. if the bill was completed if i feel during the ten year bill it doesn't add to the deficit. [applause]
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we will see the growth assumptions and they are not completed yet. it's not going to produce the deficits but let's see maybe we will prove that out. one of the things when you use a trillion and a half number, we are seeking the current wall to the current policy. all of you know we keep the policies in place but we keep kicking the can.
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my point is a i think they are over at demagogue in it and we are overselling it and what i want to do is see what is completed and. i think any nation, he said at last week when you've are reachable employment and do a tax cut with borrowed money, you get huge unemployment and don't have substantial debt you can get growth but with this it hasn't played out in any nation in the last 50 years and secondly when some of my republican colleagues acknowledged as much they made
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some of the things around businesses permanent and some of the things people really like in the middl middle-class run for e years and what the chairman said it is we always come back and fix those. that's why this group that i have respect for that is bipartisan on the budget as any group i know said it isn't a 1.4 chilean dollar number you add up the number because what will happen when the tax cut comes out a say we have to continue it. let's tell the people the real cost and again come he probably hasn't dug into it as much but this has a series of exploding policy issues and we just ought to be straight with people if we
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add this much when both teams have gone up 23 and are dead already we ought to at least be straight with you. >> both kinds of issues are being raised by members wanting to close those out, so the process isn't completed i know it isn't going particularly well in the committee itself, but i want you to know. >> this is a good segue to talk about your relationship. i'm not going to use the word bromance. [laughter] how did you become friends and work together? >> i got hired and i have seen him with the bill and he had seemed like a smart guy.
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i don't hired and we have some mutual friends and i liked the faclike thefact that he had beer and business guide and i think in the first week or so i went and visited and we found we had a lot in common. >> were you happy to see him at your doorstep? >> this wealthy democrats. [laughter] it makes us unique. we had a good time and we sat together at the first presidential. he sawe sat together at the inal ceremonies and believe it or not, we don't really do that much socially. [laughter] do you have good fun stories about each other? >> the one i think we've used
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this before we were working on dodd frank and there was like this section that we worked on that thought ed codes and we are trying to work through this stuff and our staff people who had been on the hill for some time were kind of not following our directions, so we had a famous beer summit where we went with our staff and so they could hear from both of us but no, we actually wanted to find a way. it was a little weird that it had to be driven by us to the staff. >> i think as the world has gotten complex, and it really is, things moved so rapidly, the
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senate staff first of all are outstanding. i work around the finest group of young people in the office that i've ever been around. we have these hideaway hideaway. don't even know where mine is. if i've got five minutes i want to go back and meet and talk with my staff, but they drive so much of what happens here because we are all working on so many things and unless they have the direction come his staff generally speaking now does he know we want to get to yes on the deals but it was a pretty big issue and contentious and there were some personality issues that existed and again i think the two sections we
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negotiated with will stand the test. it was fairly unique. i thought i knew something about the financial system that i had a lot to learn as this was all melting down. we decided we were seeing a lot of the same experts rather than coming to see me. so why don't we ask questions at the same time. we didn't push the experts and not get a second hand and it seems like common sense but a lot more of that ought to be done. >> i don't think a lot of people understand how big a part that is that the members can make or break them. you mentioned this before. do you think that there is a
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potential for a new gang to come together on national security issues? >> i spent so much time with them and i think president obama should have addressed it early on, but it was kind of bike for a while i was relatively new and i didn't get the joke that maybe we were spending all this time i think some of the leaders on both sides never thought we would have a real shot yet it seems to be such common sense so maybe we have to call things differently but i still believe to this day if we have a shot to get that on th it on the floor d have 75. my best day in the senate we had 49 [inaudible] kind of making the final
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presentation to all these folks and people started saying my i am in. we handed them both endorse it and it was going to take on on h sides that would acknowledge they don't work anymore in the society that's aged in on the republican side we realized the revenue stream we had would never pay the bills for the size of government we have and that kind of fundamental moment i think putting one or two of those markers on the on the board is important but showing we can still get things done, the thing i worry about the most is we are in the greatest
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country in the world but there was always this sense we could take on any problem and i worry that some feel it is easier to kick the can or we don't have the will anymore and somehow we have to get past that. >> he is allowed in the committee process to work and i've never gotten a single call from mcconnell about anything relative to what is done in the committee. we do it and pass the bill. the way for these things to be sold is through the committee process. what might be necessary is the professionalism on the committee, the staff are needed for these things to function and the expertise.
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a group of senators, and there are not many left, but a group of senators and the left, center-right and centerleft that own big boats are willing to do this. that's not a good way of running the government. >> one of the intense examples of how devised the country has become if you look at the situation, republicans here in town have made it pretty clear they believe he is an unacceptable choice for the senate. back in alabama we see republican party supporting him, some say publicly they would rather vote for him even if the sexual assault allegations, predatory allegations against him are true because it would be
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better than voting for a democrat. what is your observation of how we get to that place? >> the 13th "new york times" person today to ask me about this. >> in that way? >> know you did it more eloquently. [laughter] i personally thought that before any of these reports came out that it was a bridge too far based on the conduct as a judge and all the things that happened, i never hoped he would be in the senate. he ended up being the nominee and they put out a poll tonight that shows he is nine points down in alabama. [applause]
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now remember what happens in the presidential race, there is a group of people very excited about his nomination and it's going to be a low turnout race so who knows what actually happened. every time i'm asked a question about it lets see what happens first in the election itself. i don't think that there is an option yet that works unless somehow the whole getting jeff sessions to step down as attorney general, which i hope he will not do, but unless that happens, i don't see an outcome other than letting the people of alabama but decide between the two candidates. >> i guess i was asking more about the mentality that
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anything is better than a democrat, do you think that is generational, or how do you think we got to that space? >> i'm not sure [inau [dible]au] alabama is a very conservative state that after 2014 i don't trust any of the polling. nobody gets the joke. [laughter] i think things play out and he will win that race. he was a prosecutor in the civil rights cases and i think folks in alabama will surprise us.
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>> i called a friend over the weekend that i know and he was sharing with me that numbers of people are beginning to say let's go ahead and vote for this republican and that way it will just be three years. and it's very unlikely for a democrat to win in alabama and if that happened, then in three years we will have a democrat for three years and then we can elect a public senator but i think a number of people are thinking differently today than they were two weeks ago. there've been some provocative articles this week including some identifying as liberal journalists who think bill clinton kind of paved the path of this point. do you agree with that view? >> i think what the judge did is
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absolutely unacceptable. i think bill clinton paid a price as well. >> do you think enriched prospect he should have stepped down? >> i'm not going to relitigate 96, 2012 or 2016. i think one of the things the senate did not get a lot of fanfare just recently that we have to makes sure all of us from the members to the staff leaders have appropriate sexual harassment and other training. every institution in the 21st century ought to have that as a kind of basic. >> you beluded to your home stad i want to hear from both of you on what lessons you think can be gleaned from that night. i thought the democratic
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candidates would win, but this was the first time in virginia is a state of wireless one of the first times the legislature was told to-1 republican. i was surprised at the margins. i was hopeful. but what people turn out? folks turned out in massive numbers. it's the first time a democrat picked up a seat in southwest virginia. a young man named chris hirst and his longtime girlfriend, he'd been a reporter and she was the tv reporter that was shot on air, a horrible tragedy. it was showing -- i've been a big believer and there were folks in my party and my state democrats can compete everywhere
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and just concentrating in the urban and suburban areas isn't a good plan. as someone who advocates being competitive everywhere i think it was a good sign and a lot of it we heard time and again is this kind of divisiveness. i had crowds at town halls and others people were saying that is and who we are as virginians and the president's comments were kind of neat reading both sides. >> what should republicans take from that night? >> i think republicans should
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take that a lot of people in suburban america in particular but generally speaking, everyone hadn't liked what they've seen in the first ten months of this year and that especially the governor's race was one thing thabut this is something even me powerful sometimes you can have a candidate that just doesn't come across but when that many people run i think it is very evident at whatever level people are watching, they don't like what they've seen. >> can republicans call out and repair at this point? >> you said republican. sure. if you're going to talk about republicans in general, i think
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that the base of the republican party is probably disappointed also with interesting people in the middle have been very disappointed and people on the left have been very disappointed and they are very energized and then the people on the right are disappointed for reasons because the kind of things they hoped would have been different if let's face it without getting too particular i think people are responding to the tone in america right now and there's a few people that are very responsible for that. >> do you think some people might experience a challenge in the primary as a result?
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>> both parties are divided. the democrats are able to keep themselves more together because the opposition it's always is ar to do that. the republican party is going through quite a challenge. some of the extremes are bearing out and the election was a result of things people were seeing in their lives especially in rural tennessee you have people that have worked hard all of their lives but they are not where they thought they would be. 30 years ago they thought they would be in a different place than they are today so it's created in both parties they have to figure out how to address this issue that so many people just do not have a standard of living or are living
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in a way of life that they thought they wanted but it's creating a chasm. that's not the kind of republican that i am and that lots of us are so you're going to see the challenges if you will do what republicans are in the future and if these guys are in charge again they will have the same challenge is taking place. >> that would almost sounds like a campaign platform. are you interested in that? >> my interest is to finish as
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strongly as i can over the next months. i'm going to miss what i'm doing tremendously. when i ran i ran on kind of a mission way. matter of fact both of us said to folks in tennessee we couldn't imagine serving more than two terms and i'm going to miss it tremendously. what i want to do over the course is affecting people. it causes people's lives to be better. so what i want to do is make sure that we and our staff do everything we possibly can to make as much a difference as possible and take stock of what we do after. >> your calling card is that you would be the moderate, strong background technology. >> what happened to that. [laughter]
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there was the notion that you shouldn't have to leave your own town and i don't think any political party has figured that out and i will argue to a degree right now both political parties are caught up in the politics and have one side of the party that's kind of unfettered markets and then on the other side top down regulation fixes everything. i don't think that it's working for people. when they give up on that, they go to the extremes so i would argue you need a political philosophy dear to the 21st century.
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nobody's going to have the same job the way my dad gave going forward. the social contract was built on the presumption you have to work on the same job full-time so we have to change that and have a tax bill that invests in capit capital. you train a worker that is a cost. i'm not sure we would create the same companies created in world war ii because there is so much focus and the companies are the exceptions almost all of those are where the founders still control the companies so what i would hope the democrats would do. whoever can be the future party and doesn't try to just walk
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back to some good old days because i can tell you as somebody when you think about artificial intelligence machine learning it's going to exponentially go up. i think we are going to take some questions from those of even the audience who would like to ask questions there's microphones on either side and i will also take some questions from facebook while i'm here i'm going to give you a one word answer. trump runs again and bob warner challenges him as a democrat, who do you vote for? [laughter] bob corker right in. >> joseph barnett from california asks how can there be bipartisanship if the senate
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keeps using rules against the order do you think it can still happen in that context? >> the two issues i mentioned are how republicans feel like they want to get them out of the way and i'm not sure if that is the case on tax reform, i think it could but after that, the reconciliation is only available for certain kinds of things so yes you have to use regular order. if you look at the end of the day where obamacare and dodd frank were you can't do big things in this country without >> thank you for this evening. members of the public sometimes get wind that the republicans and representatives feel or think and say things differently in private than they do in
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public and i am wondering if you feel that contributes to this engagement or as many feel with the process or conversely if you feel like you need less where you could ask questions and it sounds like a committee meeting but not in front of the cameras. i'm wondering where you fall on the spectrum needing more privacy to get things done reading more sunshine and if it isn't in that spectrum of private versus public, what solutions do you see, what are the constructive ways forward? >> that is a fair question. do you want to take it? [laughter] people are in and out of the office all day long and in and
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out of the staff's office all day long. i wouldn't want that to change. being a senator if you go about it seriously it's like getting a phd and that's why people like being senators. it's challenging but as far as the public part goes we wouldn't be talking any differently if we were out having an adult beverage. i don't think that is the issue at all, the public committee meetings, by the way we have all kinds of classified briefings where no one in the world can listen to what's happening. i don't think that is part of the issue. >> i would argue that we are both pretty lucky because we came to these jobs with some
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success behind us. a lot of the men and women we work with have an hour plus flight to work. i can drive home each night which is a blessing. i think that is crazy in the independent redistricting. [applause] it's hard to call somebody an sop after you've gotten to know them in terms of their kids. we've shared some of these things and that builds a binding.
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i think the senate is much better in the house getting to know each other better. we are here three days a week for the most part and they keep with their own teams. i think of all these things there is the notion that if you know someone, it is easier to find a commonality. in terms of arguing for less transparency you still need to have a chance sometimes to kick back with folks on the opposite side. >> thank you once again for the talk. it's great to. senator corker, with the conservative party or the republican party, we have seen them kind of moved away from the fiscal responsibility big
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government spending and now also with trump overspending. how do i talk to my more conservative friends into being more fiscally responsible and then senator warner, you've inspired me with your fiscal responsibility talk more than what we have been hearing in the arena nowadays with bernie sanders out in the field. how do i talk to my left-leaning friends in the democratic party about fiscal responsibility and what that means in the future of the country. >> there's no question medicare part d. components that were passed out again part of what's happening.
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i'm not saying i didn't like him when he was here. [laughter] then the katrina thing happened and i think he felt himself wrongly accused of being not as open-minded so then even more began to be spent. and then president obama came in and all of a sudden republicans got religion on spending. in other words my friends on the other side of th the aisle thatd religion while bush was there and lost their religion and liked spending money and i will say that now, and that's generally speaking, not every person of course, now what's happened is it's like a party atmosphere as i've said many times publicly to you and some of your colleagues if it's like a party began on election day this last year. i don't recognize my side of the aisle as it relates to those
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issues. it is unfortunate the kind of ebbs and flows. you get a lot more fiscally conservative when the other side of the aisle is in office. the problem is for you, young student in north carolina the greatest threats to the nation isn't isis or north korea, it's not rush getting involved out the greatest threat to the country is the fiscal issue and almost no one cares. we will have enough money coming in. this is the way it was almost during the entire obama administration. i don't mean that to be critical we were coming out of a recession, but today we are going to be at the point where the amount of money we have coming in will only pay for the entitlement programs. that's all, nothing else.
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they won't pay for the military, education, the highways. that is our future we only have enough money coming in to pay for the entitlement programs. >> i have had this debate with people and i don't think there's anything progressive about refusing to acknowledge. social security and medicare are great programs but when i was your age there were 15 person working. don't blame us, blame the doctors. that notion is entitlement. america's business plan right now has gotten worse. every dollar you spend for uncle sam we are spending about 7
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cents on education, infrastructure and r&d. as a business guy i would never spend that much on the equipment and stay out of the competition. that is a bad business plan and the only way you are going to relieve back unless you can raise taxes beyond what people expect his fiscal responsibility and realized the government needs that investment. >> this is a campaign-finance related question. this building is dedicated in some ways to the freedom of information act and you praise transparency in government. if you have to publish your daily schedules showing the amount of fundraising, would that embarrassment he enough to call you to change the way that they are financed or look at the
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publicly funded campaigns? if you had to reveal your schedules the way all of the departments have to do with what you make your selves exempt? >> there shouldn't be a pre- requisite but yes i think it would make a difference. >> i think maybe on the house side it is a different issue.
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i would be glad to let everybody know how much time i spent raising money compared to all these hours i spend doing other things. it wouldn't embarrass me in any way, but i get her point. >> i think that is about the conclusion of the program and i want to thank the center for the fantastic conversation. [applause] i would think the audience and get a special nod to "the new york times" subscribers thank you for being here and check out nytimes.com for other events at washington. thank you. [applause]
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cartoonist discuss their book vermont in the age of trump. >> because vermont is i think voted for hillary clinton in greater numbers than any other state. remember it is a small states that it doesn't amount to that much, but the numbers were impressive so he wanted to put together a book where people in the state answered the question what do we do now with trump in charge

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