tv After Words Christopher Bedford The Art of the Donald CSPAN November 26, 2017 9:03pm-10:03pm EST
up next, on booktv's "after words," christopher bedford examines donald trump's leadership as a businessman, politician, and president of the united states. he is interviewed by robert traynham, sirius xm radio host and political analyst. >> why did you decide to write the book? >> guest: because people around me didn't get it. journalists who often take themselves very seriously, think they're super smart and understand the world. were frequently underestimating donald trump, being surprise by things he did, and being incorrect in their predictions because of it. at the beginning, when he first started to run this round, i kind of assumed he would be like previous rounds where he made a splash, about to some publicity and not been serious, and i felt
very foolish a little while later when i didn't do more research earlier because once i started to dig into donald trump's life, his successes in business, entertainment, city politics, occasionally national political levels, realize he had laid out a plan exactly what he was going to do, had a philosophy and came across eopinion anyone who never read his book's plan and he laid it out. they were always surprised and every time he did something that was -- slammed like it was completely crazy, he would come out ahead. have all these campaign managers for campaigns and never went anywhere, like bobby jindal, saying, man, if this cam paint isn't ruined tomorrow after he said x or y, then nothing matters anymore are. there's no more rules. there were rules, just donald trump remade them, and people were too arrogant to figure it
out. so i thought, this guy, who is dismissed, attacked, criticized, obviously something here because didn't have any special skills in acting or singing hitch wanted to be the most famous person in the world, most powerful, and achieved it. has to be something to learn. >> host: who is donald trump? >> guest: donald trump is president of the united states. what do you say to -- s eek miller said at thes of the day, i'm president and you're not. he is a guy who grew up in upper middle class. he did not come from a poor background like his father had. his father had grown up and sold his first house before he was old enough to be legally allowed to sign checks. so he plate a company with his mother, and then hi took the money and he built a second house and a third house. mall someplaces, and he grew up outside of manhattan, in a brick house, a nice house, but not the flashy lights of the island, and
he said, i'm going to use these connections and this power and not going to do what my father expected. i'm gold to build glittering skyscrapers in manhattan. his entire life he was gone out of the comfort zone tried to do something new. he had it made staying in his father's business. had it mad staying in manhattan doing real estate. he had it made on television and he kept on going, probably to a point where his life is a little uncomfortable. a lot of critics and a lot of attacks and may have thought that hollywood was rough and the real estate world in manhattan was tough, but the russians and north korea are even tougher. >> host: why donald trump underestimate. >> guest: he goes by a different rule book. doesn't come from the same circles of most of the boom he competes with. when he dime manhattan he didn't come from the financial circuits. he had kind of sneaked his way
into the private clubs. basically by going to the top and arguing with the president until the president let him in saying i like your chutzpa. he didn't come from the political circles. when he first challenged mayored koch profitly, sent him a letter saying i'll rebuild the rink that has been floundering for a decade, way overbudget and had to be restarted can. ed koch decided he had so much more cap wall with the people of new york he could push donald trump's letter and the reply slapping him down. her daniel realize the media and people in new york who whatnotted to ice skate said, give this guy chance. and he beat them. when he came into politics issue think he wasn't taken seriously because he was an entertainer, just like ronald reagan wasn't taken seriously. and, two because he had done this before but it was in a different set. wasn't because he was actually
seriously rug for president. never declared like he did this time. and finally because he didn't follow any of in the necessary rules. jeb bush before he ran, he lined up a lot of money. so much money he scared mitt romney out and mitt romney can find money. he line up all the consultants. got the pelsters hip him, the super pac ready and then came out and laughed and chuckled at the crowd that had been perfectly choreographed and rolled up his sleeves to let people know he was just like and that made a self-deprecating joke about his mother being in charge. donald trump didn't do anything about that. he hired experts to come into trump tower, took an escalator down with his wife and start insulting people immediately. you look at that and wonder he is going to win and reading "the art of the donald" is how he did jude his ambition is to become the most famous person in the
world. is that why he ran for president. >> guest: i don't think so. he had largely achieved fame, but i think that had a factor in why ran for president. if you look at interviews he talk buss hoe thinks or country is getting a raw deal. the nationalist sentiment, the trade sentiments and the toughness in leadership sentiments and how we do in foreign wars have been echoed for years. when he was democracy, republican, independent. those things have gone way back. however, trump like a challenge. he did want to be famous but people kind of wonder now, will he run again? he probably will if people keep on saying that they can beat him. if he feels like there's a challenge ahead, if he can do something more, if there's a democratic group of challengers that said we'll destroy donald trump, that's how you get him to
run again. >> you mentioned in the book that donald trump is someone that -- let me quote the book directly -- be true to your brand, keep your message simple, confuse your opponents, break the rules and, embrace the chaos, use journalists as tools, loyalty is life, trust your family. is that the family credo? is that donald trump's motto? >> guest: certainly a good summary of the lessons that he has exhibited throughout his whole life. think his family, for example. that was attacked repeat lid. kind of about the modern american family. a number of kids witch a number of ex-wifes and a current wife. but unlike the average american family, he gets along extremely well. he gets along so well with his -- >> host: ickes wife. >> guest: i know one of them is throwing up trundle, ivanka -- excuse me -- ivanka trump -- but. >> ivana. >> guest: thank you. even gets along with her. gets along with all of them.
gets along so will with his kids are all of them, exert for one daughter who is doing well in her own flight hollywood, want to follow him into his life, his business. they can be trusted. it's very rare for the average american family today to not have somebody who has had trouble with drugs or alcohol or school or something else, or the police. i think i had trouble with all those at one point in my life growing up outside of boston. he never had that and also extremely rare for somebody who grows up in that billionaire set in manhattan. those kid live in the lap of luxury could have been just been playboys, could have been losers, could have taken the yacht and gone off and sailed away with daddies money and none of them have been that. they've have been his advisers. >> host: i want to back up. on his dynamics with his children specifically. during the campaign, it
amendment they were his trusted advisers. everything from politics to policy and so forth. do you believe they were part of the secret why he won? >> guest: yes. not a lot of people around him in politics who he could trust. donald trump's campaign, like basically every presidential campaign, you followed these for years -- is filled with a lot of people who wont money and fame immediately. he could trust the moat-to-his children, and his children were essential getting rid of people who were there who knewing in, who war garbage, people like corrie lewandoski who is an absolute con man. he like many people impressed donald trump with his confidence. he said i'm the best man's for this job. can do this and that. and trump said i'll give you chance. he delivered a couple of early wins. later it turn out those wins probably weren't because of corrie loon toy ask you. they were because of donald trump. and then when he got to a point where lewandoski wasn't doing
any of the jobs of campaign manager, his children said, we have to do something about this so trump sump monned lewandoski to a meeting with the children and him in trump tower and asked him what his plan was to deal with criticism -- i can't ram the scandal of the week, we have had one every week, and loon do you dao ski's answer was we should leak the vp pick. that's not an answer to how to deal with the crisis and the children came to him and said, he's got to go. and they helped protect him because even if they weren't operating on the a civil level as he was intellectually and even if they came from a delivered political brown as his daughter does, they care for him and they were able to spot charlatan who had gotten near him. >> host: you mention in the book that a lot of the voters particularly in the early states and iowa and so forth, seemed to be able to retreat donald trump, ironically a billionaire from manhattan and perhaps maybe a farmer in south carolina or iowa and so forth.
you also go on that donald trump got his news and still gets his news from every time americans on fox and friends and so forth. is that part of the secret how he won so relatable. >> guest: the first time i saw him live, i was in iowa, and everything is an hour and a half from everything and a lot of driving. we drove an hour and a half from des moines in some direction and were at a high school gymnasium, and mose of the glide had a vietnam hat and jacket, vietnam t-shirts and jeans, maybe beat order sneakers. with their families. donald trump was wearing a nice italian suit, and a red trucker hat with a tie on, and cuff links and he walks in and everyone got along with him. everyone was kind of like a back-slapping atitude. very different from following the other todays and the other todays would dress the part. if you went to a fancy dinner in
d.c. with jeb bush or marco rubio, they we be in a suit and tie with cuff links. win to see jeb bush in new hampshire he would have on a vest and his sleeves rolled up. it's like costume play. donald trump never did that. he walked into a diner new hampshire, he got along with everybody because he was comfortable in his skin. most people there were in snow boots, heavy jackets, cold out, blizzarding, he walked in a suit and tie, and sat down for a tall stack of pancakes and something else. one of his weakings ins is he ice terrible eater. >> host: cuff give example snooze he likes marz bars. he likes mcdonald's. he likes taco bell. he likes pancakes. the kind of stuff his wife would never go near. >> host: every time food. >> guest: exactly. the last guy who did that in the white house mask bill clinton who used to sneak out for a job and go to mcdonald's. people relate to that.
you can retreat -- he's on he road and not eating that well. and everyone get gains weight on the road. he is a normal gay and the reason he is able to walk into these places because hees not wearing a costume and comfortable in his own skin, extremely comfortable, and americans don't dislike wealth, don't think. they dislike people who are fakes. so if mitt romney is bam rahred over his wealth and tries to fake he is just one of you guy, i go to the wawa, things like that. americans say, i see right through that and you're faking it. >> host: sounds like your talking about authenticity, is that what donald trump had on the campaign trail and you juxtapose it for the other folks running for office, 16 other presidential candidates. is that the difference with donald trump and that's how he won? >> guest: he wasn't memorizing lines to use on the campaign stage. it was clear he ad-libbed everything. came from his gut. the man is -- i was surprised when met him because i assumed
that the pundits were right, that he was a cold billionaire who wouldn't shake hands, who was just playing a part and being an actor. that wasn't true at all he was exactly the same on stage as off stage, extremely likeable. he lit up the room wherever he went. an early story of this that was interesting, always ask on the campaign trail the girls who do makeup for tv. that's a place where no one can see you. there's no cameras, no campaign staff. you can be as nice or as rude as you want to be, and those wonderful women will help you out. i said who is the most mean. they surprised me. said who is the nicest? and they said was donald trump and one girl was like, stop it, we're going to get in trouble. thought that was interesting. when i met him on the campaign trail he was genuinely nice, authentic, and unlike the other people who has run everything threw poll to make sure it worked, he did none of that. he didn't hire pollsters as he
bragged and that came through. >> host: you go on to write in the book a certain set of rules. walk us through the rules and why is that important to put into the book. >> guest: i break it down into 30 rules. the book is not political. it's kind of a funny take on how he won so people are who welcomans or democrats i think people who are interested in how he won or how to apply it to their life should check it out. here's one, how to communicate, which i wrote down. you saw this perfectly with the nfl scandal. how to get your message across, attack, attack, attack and own the narrative. lesson two redefine things 0 your own tomorrows. lesson three, journalis or other communators can be used at tools and finally, keep it simple. with the nfl, he went on the offensive and went on the offensive when he was in a position of weakness.
just enendorsed a candidate who was losing and the night before the rally, everyone knew, you stepped it in, instead of putting up with a week of attacks on him for having lost his touch, he launched a new anyway temperature and attacked the nfl only kneeling before northwestern flag during the national anthem, journalis and pundits tried to say, this is not about disrespecting the flag. we're kneeling to protest racial injustice and unfair treatment by police. and he said -- he redefined it and said, no, no, i looked at colin kaepernick's statement elm he clear say said i won't stand for the flag of ary cyst country, and trump said this is how we'll fight the battle and whether it's okay to disrespect the flag. that's something that republicans and democrats across the country just kind of feel in their gut. i don't like that. but journalists in d.c., new york, los angeles, they looked at it more intellectually and said this is a protest, it's protected by free speech, and they started going on the air
and democratic politics, all over the country, defending what the average american saw is a disrespecting in the flag. he used them as tools to deliver his message far and wide and he never once trade from the subject. kept it completely sim, and because of that he probably won outright the first culture war the republicans have won since pat buchanan kind the term decades ago, and he got all of his opponents to come out and say, i think it's okay to disrespect the flag, the average voter said, heck, no, and if democrats don't focus on the economy and they continue fighting these kind of, we want to disrespect the flag, culture wars, they might go the same way walter mondale or other democratic candidates who have gotten their butts kicked during a re-election campaign. >> is trump his own press secretary, his own images a individualer and communications director. >> guest: he is. very huck besanders has done a phenomenal job, and she has done that by not making news herself.
it's really hard job to be a press secretary for any administration, and special hard for president trump's administration because he is is hen press secretary, makes his own calls. he does it because he is the best at it. when he used could come out when we war watching sean spicer he would may the name and he would make is in. when donald trump came out he would defeat them. him injures jim is a sos that, some great television sparring. he is the best at it and you shouldn't delegate a task that you are best at. when you're president of the united states you don't have time to be your on comes directow. he makes the time. he watches it. and that's why i don't envy the people who have had to do the job because it's really tough do a job where your boss knows he could it better than you. >> is steve assume that style is more important to the president than substance?
>> guest: often with president trump it is. a lot of that comes from business. this is one of his challenges in the presidency. i write the white house challenge help operated for decades and built his empire and built his name for decades in a place where technology and communication and information is not instant. he would you phones. the age of pay phoned. maybe car phones that came in the original trump limousine released by cadillac. he now can be fact checked immediately. he uses something i write about called helpful -- truthful hyperbole. he'll expand on something to make a deal. he'll hype something that is more than it is to make a deal. that can become very difficult in the presidency of the u.s. because the president's word is supposed to be very solemnly taken. if you're a federalist or a constitutionalist or someone who is worried about the increase in executive authority that we have seen for deck they'd this country, this actually might be a good fog for you.
for the first time the president can't hiccup into a international conflict as he could have before because donald trump humanized the presidency. no longer like the seat of the pope and everything you say must be taken seriously when you wear the right hat. it's president trump isn't always taken exactly at his word, it's not policy immediately. and he has brought back humanity the white house. >> you mention in the book that then donald trump, before he became president, was the president of a pretty lean organization, meaning at the trump organization in new york city. now that he is float united states he is charges of millions of federal workers and that takes a while to adjust to in terms of people making decisions in a complex environment. you think the president fully has embraced what it means to be president and how often times he has to delegate responsibility? took him a few months. he was -- it was not an
immediately quick lesson learn. it was a learning curve there. he did come from a small operation where the people who worked for him had come up from -- through business with him. some of them had been driving golf carts for him or body guards at place head like. saw one guy who did a really good job stopping a protester at a tennis game and said that guy handled that stressful situation phenomenal limit hire him. and years later he was leading the golf course for the president -- not yet the president -- at the time. he knew these people, he trusted them. they did work for him and loved him and very loyal to him. now he comes into a government where even at the highest level, you have 100 u.s. senator width their own agenda, their own elections, who really don't owe anything to the president. you have even more congressmen who don't owe anything to you. you have a sprawling federal bureaucracy which certainly is against what you're trying to
do. he is trying dismantle government and change it as we know it. sends out a fundraiser earlier today saying it's funny that "time magazine" was attacking him for reshaping government. and then you have the sprawling military which is gemmily friendly toward toes the president. comes with a whole lot more complication us. a scale which no other person has to deal with. and i think it did surprise him how much antipathy towards him certificate pocket offered the government have but it's a lesson he has been learning, as we have seen with the leaks going down. just had one from the fbi investigation. largely going down, and it will be a bumpy road but i think that he could still succeed if he does not succeed in getting his agent across, one reasons will be that. >> host: is he overwhelmed in the office? >> guest: i think he was at first. hard not to be. one of the hardest jobs in the world. you have to remember that there are millions of people working
for you, making decisions every day, and only the ones that not a single one of those people want to make, are the ones that get to your desk and could be anywhere from 5:00 a.m. when he know he is awake to 2:00 a.m. when he don't don't know if he is awake. these decisions are life and death. it's not a decision about whether or not you build here or deal in this city or work here. it's a decision on whether 0 a young mon or woman's life is put on the line and sometimes that involves death. that's overwhelming to anyone. but with it i think he is adopted way in certain parts 0 to the gravitas of that and is doing as well as he took handle that. >> host: do you think he was surprised on election night when million offered americans along with himself learned that he became or was becoming the 45th flint of the snot. >> guest: yes. because "the new york times" put him at eight% chance of winning. hillary was in the 90s. most people said he was not going to win.
you know who was a true believer was vice president mike pence. he was confident that they would win. there were signs all over the country. i saw that there was -- the battle between two different new yorkers at one opinion. bernie sanders, born identify years before president donald trump in brooklyn so not too far, but his life took a very different path him joined a commune until he was connected out in 1971 for not working. and then he became mayor of burlington in 1980, ten years later he became a congressmon and then a couple years later he became senator, and then he ran for president. he faced a similar situation what donald trump had, which was there's a crisis of leadership, the democratic peat was faltering. hillary clinton was not beloved bill the voter ands there was complete chaos. and unlike donald trump he did not take advantage of that situation. if he had he would have clearly unseated hillary clinton as the party's nominee and would have
won and potentially won the presidency of the united states i. met so many people in new hampshire and iowa and south carolina and virginia who were in between bernie sanners and donald trump. then when donald trump was the only nominee for the republican party and bernie didn't make it, they were going towards him. they were definitely signs that hillary clinton could not hold together the barack obama coalition but still i was in new york that night at hillary clinton's headquarters and then facebook headquarters and then at trump's hotel, and people were still surprised. it was a hard fought battle. >> host: in book you write in the months since he was sworn in shows like fox and friends and tucker karlson have learn that the president is watching hem. he is guessing his news not just from dossiers but from cable tv ex-"new york times," the "new york post," the daily caller. the latest 10,000 word thank you piece in -- think piece in the new yorker might tick al few
fancies in a cocktail circles in washington, dc and san francisco but that kind of high-mind eastboundness is read by real americans, nor are they any signs it's read by the new president... what do you mean by that? ... for halloween and watching shows like that he's gotten a good idea of what makes
americans comfortable, uncomfortable and uneasy and it is discussed here and there. use all a lot of these journals and websites that said i can't believe hillary clinton lost. we will see what it's like and there's always the cities in the red states like you're going to understand by going to a cocktail bar in nashville i don't think you're going to understand tennessee by doing that. there is a better understanding of that and it's a different kind of show he's become an intellectual voice on the conservative populism
represented in the nationalism and it's something else he watches. i read with interest even the man who made the fire american catchphrase often ending with the task he didn't like firing people as the project manager at trump tower so he literally doesn't like to fire people. >> it's very uncomfortable. i hate it. i never have to do it but i think most people had to tell them you're not doing a good job. job. it's not what you are telling a student, it's you're going to have to tell your girlfriend or boyfriend or parents or kids i don't have a job anymore and
that's rough. donald trump made it into the game show wita gameshow with thd of thing, but he doesn't like to debate. often in his organization he would make people realize they probably shouldn't be there or he would've told people when he got into a fight with a chef because the shuffle is correct super rude about it he told the manager get rid of that guy i don't want to see them anymore, but he has had to fire people and he does and he needs to. he had to fire anthony after ten days and he did. i matter how uncomfortable, they need to go they are not just bad at what they are doing what they noticed noticed because couplese legal trouble for the company and its toxic and spreads.
they're our friends from kindergarten, elementary school that speak on your path as the candidate and i do not recall any childhood friend speaking on behalf of donald trump. >> i don't recall any. he is an abnormal guide. it could have just been one. i don't think anybody's family would appreciate it. that's put a fire under his belt valley and it can certainly
grind against people. his father was very much like him you will work seven days a week like i do. his older brother talked about a new drug policy and he ended up dying at a much younger age don't want people to be like donald trump, they are not going to get it. it is a one-of-a-kind to learn from that. he was sent as social in his strength, he didn't smoke or run around and take part, he was
>> i never knew why he didn't drink or smoke and his brother would always tell them that. i learned a lot about his father and background and his father was an interesting guy who came over and then went to alaska and said why don't i just weighed down here and some said those that didn't get gold gave him a drink. i learned a lot about this and folks said he was a democrat and some of the positions did change. he's become a reliable champion
but if you look back at his interviews, he hasn't changed that much. in his earlier interviews he was humble. i've never heari never heard hia philosopher before but he thinks more deeply about it and i learned a lot from the dl. i dismissed it first. as soon as you read it it becomes obvious with the extremely close supervision. everything about it is the way he speaks and acts and i heard from some people who worked on books he is the kind of guy that will call before printing and say i need to make a change on page 106.
he takes a careful view of things. i would say he's more of a delegator. he wants you to do a job well but if you are not cease as she's not willing to make a 32nd phone call to save himself $10,000 on the building that i've got to get a new job, so he likes to put people in charge of different areas and have them go forth. he delegates them that way but if there is a problem he likes to be one of the principles that deals with it. i want to send my son down there and in politics for example if
an opposition researcher the context of the rubio campaign they would send a lawyer to say what's going on here. but the way the campaign offer you that put them in the room with some sketchy characters and that can get you in trouble in the national level. >> there were reports that the president doesn't like being president and feels isolated in the job and is very upset, he doesn't know who to trust. based on your research in the book can you see where they would be telling the truth or is it an exaggeration to get the
job he always wanted? >> guest: it's not the job he always wanted for the job that his wife wanted that came along for the ride. a lot of the stuff i have seen is exaggerated. working in journalism and its easy to exaggerate the importance of a source. hundreds of people worked in the white house. whatever story with anonymous white house source in a when there is a press picking it up in its own narrative gets counted on for good press and have become gossip magazines and rumors of. there are newsletters i used to read every morning where the whole top two sections show what they are thinking.
news reporting could be completely replaced and a lot of it fits in the narratives that they wanted to be damned if you takand if youtake a step back as likely come often times it to ct wouldn't pass the test. we saw those feed views print the fake dossier if you read that out loud and didn't already think donald trump was the devil could you would think that doesn't sound right. maybe i should source us if try to find someone but because of what the reporters already think they are willing to write this stuff without being certain and a lot of people are starting to say you should take a look at this stuff. the amount of corrections are
kind of high. for hillary clinton they are pretty low. from the stories came out that they'made hillary clinton looked guilty they are careful to make sure to get it right because it doesn't fit the narrative of the interests or what they woke up this morning feeling. donald trump people don't give him the benefit of the doubt. reporters are very assigning malice which they shouldn't and they do it all the time. >> host: chapter seven you go on to write i don't do it for the money. i've got enough, he continued. more than i will need. other people please beautifully on canvas or write beautiful poetry. [inaudible]
is the presidency the ultimate dealmaking positioned? positioned? >> guest: he certainly hopes so. this has been another problem for him. when you do a business deal which is what he wants to do, you are dealing with facts. your company is failing, minus succeeding. my company needs land o condors house land. some of the major deals he got to the trump towers a success for the property was buying wasn't making the sales and they have to admit that. now he's dealing with senators burkett doesn't matter we could be losing a billion or trillion dollars a day and they would say this policy works. politicians are held to their own ideas and grassroots and often not rooted in reality so it's difficult to say maybe this
program isn't working so it's become more difficult to deal with an opposition party. so the dealmaking has become extraordinarily difficult in the way that we have seen it done in the past to seeking less leverage. i'm going to make it impractical and he starts taking it apart at the bureaucratic level and forces action. this is a new plan he has been coming up with and it will be interesting to see how that works. >> host: is there any other activitactivity to president participates in that we are not aware of?
>> guest: >> television and golf are his ways of cooling down and probably to the workers blood pressure. people give him a lot of criticism. it was kind of fun but i've never been because when you're the president you can't do it out of your house security details were go anywhere, you can't show church without inconveniencing every member of the parish or go out to dinner. when you're on the golf course, and i don't even g-golf but sometimes they will do with my friends and have a cigar and a drink while they play, you forgot the open air and get a breath from washington, don't have to look at your cell phone and people criticize how much he has played but i don't think they understand is unlike the
past president who got his kicks going to the gym, playing basketball, talking with friends that this president only gets his kicks playing golf so when you see him play golf that's probably the only time off he has. >> host: does he care what other people think of him or other foreign leaders around the world, perhaps former president's? is that something he thinks about his own legacy and reputation around the world? >> guest: absolutely. he would like to pretend sometimes but he doesn't care what other people think and like most of us there are people whose opinions he doesn't care about. like i don't think it keeps him up at night but hillary clinton doesn't like them. it bugged him at first some reporters like he has a history of getting along with it probably bugged him at first when joe scarborough didn't like him but he got over it quickly
and said you don't like me, i don't like you twice as much. pretty good activism i used it in high school when i was unpopular. he cares about what people think thabut it doesn't dictate everything in his life. he's able to move on from enemies but i think like all of us it stings when an old friend turns their back on you for politics. it'we have seen the personal problems politics cause. it's test the arguments of you if you can't get away from it. >> host: as a man that spent his entire life building things and working in the hospitality industry, and curious to know
whether he likes physically living in the white house and likes being served by white house staff not the political stufpoliticalstaff at the presi. >> guest: i think he does. the white house has some problems. there is a fly problem o slightt it is an old infrastructure that is old. when he travels he stays at his own properties like most of us he likes to get his own place and he has a fondness for trump tower some of the trump hotels, scotland, florida, these are where he's most comfortable. they ended up according to conversations that have been leaked when you walk into the white house it's like when you walk up to arlington cemetery as president when you come into place is filled with history and prestige and qc this is where i
live now, the importance and the weight of what art has an effect on him. he loves the phones, remember rr he's talked about the phones, the white house definitely needs some work and maybe maloney also hoping with that but he hasn't returned to trump tower area of. >> host: did you believe that he vindicates what his predecessors bill clinton, barack obama? >> guest: not much. the bushes don't like him at all. they've made that very clear. even though they had different politics and barack obama had a different strategy for the
middle east he didn't feel the need to speak up. barack obama hasn't done what others have done typically in the past. i don't think anyone expected him to. he's young man that had a lot more energy left in him and more he wanted to accomplish a. i doubt he calls to the give advice but the interaction with jimmy carter, president trump has been treated more viciously by the press than anyone he can remember. it's how amazing this paper in
1964 to say goldwater was mentally ill because they haven't treated them to sa to se you met with the patient and now one psychiatrist called him mentally ill and that is called brave journal for some. they said thank you president carter, he might have poppe taln the phone with him, but he's put the isolated into different from the other president and basically ran against everything they built. i don't think they are going to get along for that reason. if you have to project for the second term would you believe the principles and lessons with the applicable? also? >> guest: this is how he
operates. you know from talking to relatives you have to work around him or her. he is brought those lessons through a number of different careers and appl applied them ey time. i think if he wins the next term it isn't necessarily going to be because of what he accomplished that how his opponents respond to it. george bush was a fairly successful president and opponents responded very well. i don't think the democrats are responding well to the president trump is pushing across. i think they are going down the wrong path, they promise to talk about the economy and to address the concerns of working class whites and anyone and none of that is happening so far.
so he will bring them to the end of his life i suspect. >> guest: when did you get the idea to write this book? >> guest: it was formulating in my head about how no one understood him and everyone was wrong. shortly after i'd met him for the first time. i got the idea that something was wrong when i first saw him at rallies and then i saw the journalists throughout the rallies. but hillary clinton group is also pretty tough. but they would put you into a closed off section and i got away from them by running to the gymnasium bathroom, taking off my tie, i'm combing my hair and holding my jacket because the only people who were there who
were wearing ties and suit jackets were journalists. they were super easy to spot and i remember laughing to myself as tucker carlson got pulled away tif you are 6-foot four, whatevr he is, there's no way you can hide by taking off their jackets like i did, so i hid in the corner but i started to realize maybe they are wrong. after i met him i was like they are definitely wrong and then after he won and people kept stopping forward these completely basic musings that were completely unimpressive on a daily basis i was like okay i'm going to write something about how they are wrong and maybe a few of them will read it. i didn't write the book for people in dc i wrote it for people outside that all these reporters i'm talking about have a notification when so when he
said that thousands of people must have felt like their hair was on fire because they can't stand one of their own wrote a book about it. >> host: was busy in easy book to write and how long did it take? >> guest: the only reason it wasn't easy as i had a three and a half month deadline for the president was elected and i wanted to write something that cannot now a ground fault with plenty of time before christmas. and i'd never written a book so i talk about this with the guys that simon and schuster and he said can you do it and i said of course i can thinking in the back of my head of course i will but it might stink. one of the people i think in the book is my girlfriend because i was grumpy at some points i was working a full-time job, hanging out with guys like you on television and writing a book at night and it was a little silly from time to time, she put up with a lot in that time but it
wasn't hard to fight because donald trump and his wife and lessons had written most of it himself. the main difficulty was coming up with the outline of breaking up what is a person into different lessons, breaking that down trying to figure out how to best order them. once i had that, he kind of wrote the book for me. >> host: the majority of the book focuses on the campaign and donald trump as an individual. now that he's in the white house, can you see yourself writing another book particularly about january 20, 2017 january 20, 2020? >> guest: i sure hope so. in the publisher's notebooks they don't like to tell offers what's going on whenever i would say what's going on in the book, how are we doing, they would say we will tell you when it happens. after the president said it and it got a lot of good responses i've heard good things from
people on the right and the left and even good things from the family members who never even if i wished they would tell me the truth, they never hide the truth from me to be critical, it makes more a story that's been good so far a story that can be told again soon and if enough people buy copies i think the publishers will he write another one. >> host: his family if they were to read the book do you think they would recognize her father, their brother, their husband? >> guest: absolutely. >> host: how so? >> guest: because i wrote about the husband or father in the book and it's accurate. it's based not just on the musings i don't think they would recognize the father if he were to reatheywere to read "the newk times" or watch cnn to portray this person who is fueled by hate i don't think they
recognize him because that is not inaccurate betrayal, it can occasionally be tough on the president and it can call up sometimes where his teeth in his better aspects can get him in trouble without any child recognizing that most of it is about how he succeeds and the main reason why is like a manhattan socialite and little bit of a liberal standing by their father because they see past the politics and they see someone who loves them and who they thought and they trust and someone who's been very successful and has built an empire they can take the reins and the children are all excited. imagine if our kids wanted to follow us and what we did, some of us might word the kids against that, but he's a proud father and i think that comes across. >> host: can you make the argument in writing this book that donald trump truly is a human being that cares about his
own and not just his peers as i asked before, but the vast majority? >> guest: he absolutely does. his brand isn't synonymous with him, his father started the trump business. donald to get to the next level. he wears his own ties, gold said his own golf courses, drinks his own water come if you drink wine he would probably drink trump line and -- he believes in his brand and a lot of people see that. you see these not so intelligent reporters at places like the daily beast that have good reporters by the way the obvious ones attacking him all the time saying the campaign spent $30,000 on the water bottles it is a scheme to enrich himself like how many millions did he give the campaign you can explain to me how giving the
campaign 5 million for example in spending $30 on trump water bottles which you ge get a coupf pennies on is enriching yourself that maybe that is why some of the reporters are not that wealthy. he believed in his own brand and would it be deterred from that and was uncomfortabl comfortabln skin and he wants that to be part of things. it's been successful since he won the presidency but there is one issue he has with the brand which is a i don't think anyone has been so exposed to terrorism danger as donald trump now he has properties all over the world when you walk in the hotel bound you don't see the secret service there on the average day you see a couple security guards but now they are symbols of the pride of the leader of the free world or of the planet and i think before houston being president there will be some i
got a little bit of writers fatigue. sometimes i could sneak out to the local brewery but usually i write about politics and culture, and i cannot wait to force myself to get back into that because the opinions have started in my head and my friends are sick of hearing about them. >> host: thank you for joining us. >> guest: thank you.
ca >> can i care to introduce linda who is also my mom, so linda had worked here for 38 years and founded three different schools and started many different leadership programs across the state and for that reason my brothers and i rarely saw her, just kidding. linda is an amazing inspiration to me, that's why i'm an education policy management student at the school here. i am inspired by her every day