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up next on booktv afterwards daily call or news foundation editor in chief christopher examines donald trump leadership as a businessman, politician, and president of the united states. he's interviewed by robert, xm radio host and political analyst. >> why did you decide to write the book? >> because people around the me didn't get it. journalists who often take themselves very seriously they they're supersmart and understand the world were frequently understilting donald trump being surprised by things that he did, and being incorrect in prediction because of this. at the beginning when he first started to run this round i have kind of assumed to make a splash gotten some publicity not been serious, and i felt very foolish
later when i didn't do more research earlier because when i started to dpition into donald trump's a success and entertainment city politics occasionally political level, i realized that he laid out a plan and give exactly what he was going to do he had a flossty and entire time he cool across opponents that never read his bock or plan and he laid it all out they were surprised and every time they would do something according to the jeb bush playbook or normal political playbook like it was completely crazy, he would come out ahead you have a lot of these campaign managers for -- or for campaign and never went anywhere like bobby saying man if he did this if this campaign isn't ruined after he said x or y then nothing matters anymore. there's no more rules turned out there were rules that donald trump remade them. and people were too air imapt to figure it out so i thought -- this guy who is dismissed,
attacked criticized, obviously there's something here because didn't have any special skills and acting or singing he wanted to be most famous fern in the world one of the most powerful and he achieved it got to be something to learn. whonch is donald trump? >> donald trump is president of the united states what do you say to the miller thyme magazine he said at the end of the interview in the white house at the end of the day i'm president and you're not. [laughter] but he grew up in upper middle-class he did not come from a poor background like his father had. his first sold first house split a company with his mother and he took that money and he built a second house and he built a third house small places, and he grew up outside of manhattan in a brick house a nice house, but not the flashy lights of the island an he said i'm going to use these connections and this
power and i won't do what my father expects and i'll build skyscrapers in manhattan. the entire -- entire life is always gone out of that comfort zone and tried to do thing new he had it made and saying in his father's business he had it made in manhattan doing in television and he kept on going probably to a point where his life is unkivel compared to he's used to compared to critical attacks and thought that hollywood was rough but may have thought real estate world in manhattan had was tough but turns out that russians in noters korea are even tougher. >> where is donald trump underestimated? >> because he goes by a different rule book. he doesn't come from -- one he tonight come from same circle of most of the people he competes with and didn't come from financial circuit he did -- kind of sneak his way into the private clubs basically by going to the top and arguing with the
president until the president let him in -- so -- he never didn't come from political circles. when he first chamged mayor ed koch privately nots even really a challenge but sent hill a letter saying i'll rebuild that's been slandering under new york control for a decade at no point and overbudget and had had to be restarted ed koch had so much more capital with people of new york that he could publish donald trump's letters and a reply slapping him down what he didn't realize is that the media -- and a lot of people in new york who wanted to ice said hold on give them a chance and he beat them. when he came into politics he wasn't taken seriously because he was a entertainer like rongd reagan a different man but one who was an entertainer and two buzz he had done this before, but it was in a different set it wasn't because he was actually seriously running for president he never declared like he did
this and finally because he didn't follow necessary rules jeb bush before he ran he lined up a lot of money so much money he scared mitt romney out and mitt romney can find money if he needs to line pup consultants he got all pollster behind him and superpack reside and he came out and laugh and chuckled at the crowd and wrote up a sleeve to let people know that he was just like them and he made a joke about his mother being in charge and everything was perfect donald trump didn't do any of that he hired a couple of extras to come into trump tower. he took and escalator down with his wife and he started insult people immediately so you look at that and you think how's he going win with this and winning with donald was one of the ways that he did. >> to become most famous person in the world is that why you -- he ran for president? >> not why --
largely achieved fame but that did have a factor in why he ran for president. >> he's if you look back at interviews back to the 0u with with larry king and other o people he talks about how he thinks his country is getting a raw deal. the nationalist sentiment and toughness in leadership sentiment and how we do in foreign wars have been echoed for year when is he was a democrat and republican and independent those things have gone way back. however, trump likes a challenge. he does want he did want to be famous but i don't think that's the only reason he did this and another thing is people wonder will he run again in he probably will if keep on saying they can beat him if he feels like there's a challenge ahead if he can do something is more. that democrat group of challengers will say we will destroy donald trump. that's exactly the way you get him to run again. >> you mentioned in the book that donald trump is someone
that let me quote the the book directly -- be true to your brand keep your message simple confuse your opponents break the rules embrace chaos use journalist as tules loyalty to life trust your family is that donald trump's -- motto if you will? that's a good summary of some of the lessons that he has exhibited throughout his whole life take his family for example because that was attacked repeatedly at the american family, a number of kids with a number of ex-wifes and a current wife. but unlike the average american family, he gets along extremely well he gets along so well with -- wives even with his ex-wife i know that one is throwing up a little ivanka trump, but he ivana trump excuse me, thank you. he gets along with her, he gets along with all of them and along so well with his kids except for one daughter who is doing well
on her own right in hollywood want to follow him into his life and his business they can be trusted -- now it's very rare for the average american family today to not have somebody who has had trouble with drugs or alcohol, or school or sthig something else or the police -- and i had trouble with all of those growing up outside of boston. he has never had that and also extremely rare for smob somebody who grows up in that billionaire set in manhattan. those kids could have been playboyed or lose rs take the yacht and gone you have a and sailed away with daddy's money and none had of them did that but they can all be trusted and been close est advisors throughout the whole political campaign and sometimes got him in trouble but sometimes it has worked the. >> back up on dynamic with children specificationly -- during the campaign it appeared that they were his trusted
advisor from everything from politics to policy and so forth they were part of the secret as to why he won? >> yes. because there was not a lot of people around him in politics. who he could trust. donald trump campaign like every presidential campaign you've follow these for years is filled with a lot of people who want the money and fame immediately. he could trust motive of his children and his children were essential getting rid of some of the people who were there who knew nothing. who were garbage people like corey lewandowski a con man he like many people impressed donald trump with his confidence. he said i'm the best man for this job i can do this and that and trump said i'll give you a chance and he delivered a couple of early wince later it turned out that wins probably wrnght because of corey lewandowski but because of donald trump and when he got to a point where he wasn't doing jobs of the campaign manager, his children said we have to do something
about this. sop trump summon through a meeting with children and him in trump tower, and asked him what his plan was to deal with some criticism i can't recall it was scandal of the weak and had one every week and his answer on this was to leak the vp pick that's not an answer to deal request this chris sice and children dime him and said he's got to go, and they helped protect him because -- even if they wrnght with operating the same level as he was -- intellectually and kale from a different political background as a daughter does, they -- care and able to get near to him and i think that was important to helping, win the presidency. >> you mention voters particularly in iowa and so forth, seem to be able to relate to drump. ironically a billionaire from manhattan, and perhaps maybe a farmer in south carolina and iowa and so forth you write in the book that -- donald trump got his news and
still gets his had news from like every other american on fox and friends and so forth is that the secret how he win that he was relatable to average american? >> it was amazing first time i saw him live i was in iowa. and covering campaign in iowa is an hour and a half from everything so a lot of driving in that state and redrove an hour and a half from des moines at a high school gymnasium and most of the guy there is had a vietnam hat vietnam jacket t-shirt some jeans, boots and sneakers there with their family and donald trump was wearing nice italian suit and red truckerred head with a tieon and cuff lynx he walks in and everyone got along with him and it was a back slapping attitude it was very different from following the other kains and the other candidates were dressed in the part so if you went to a fancy dinner in dc with jeb bush or marco they would be a suit and tie with
cuff links you went to see jeb bush in new hampshire he would have on a vest and sleeves rolled up because it is like costume play. donald trump never did that he walked into a diner in minnesota and got along with everybody because he was comfortable in his skin most of the people there wearing snow boot, heavy jackets it was cold and blizzard that week he walked in a suit and tie sat down with a small stack of pancake one of the weaknesses is a terrible eater. can you give examples what he likes to eat on the campaign trail? >> mars bars, mcdonald's, he likes taco bell. pancakes -- the kind of stuff his wife never would go near. >> the last guy to do that was bill clinton who would sneak to go to a jog to go to mcdonald's. people relate to that even you can't that donald trump is on a jumbo jet when he's on the road he's not eating that well. [laughter]
and everyone gets -- everyone gains weight on the road but he was normal guy and he can walk into these places is because he's not wearing costume and comfortable in his own skin xreal comfortable, and americans don't dislike wealth but people who are fakes so mitt romney is embarrassed over wealth but wanting you guys i go through the the with water, americans si see through that and you're faking it. >> is that donald trump had had on the campaign trail you juxtapose what was it 16 other presidential candidates poll tested is that the difference with donald trump and that's how he was perhaps -- >> he wasn't memorizing lines to use on campaign stage-clear he ad libbed everything and man is it be i was surprised when i met him because i had assumed that the pundit were right that he
was a cold billionaire who wouldn't shake hands that he was playing part and being an actor. that wasn't true at all he was exactly the same on stage as offstage. extremely likable he lit up room whenever he went and elier story i asked the girl who is do makeup or for tv, that's a place that where no one can see you there's no campaign staff you can be as nice or rude as you want to be, and those wonderful women will help you out anyways. so i said who is most mean, and they surprise me with the answer. and i said well who is nicest? i said it was donald trump and one of the girls it like stop it we're going to get in trouble i thought it was interesting and i met him on the campaign trail he was so different from other politicians hefsz genuinely nice authentic and unlike other people who had run everything through a pole to make sure it worked, he did none of that and didn't hire pollster as he may be strangely bragged at one point and that came through.
>> you write a certain set of rules walk us through rules and why is that important to put into the book? >> so i break it down into 30 rules and book is not political it is a tunny take on how he won so people who are republican or o democrat or people interested to apply to their life should check it out. and let me see here's one. how to communicate which had i wrote down some of these notes here. and you saw this perfectly with the nfl scandal. one had to get your message across is to attack, attack, attack and own narrative lesson two to resign things on your own terms lesson three is journalist or xiewct tores in your field can be used as tools and finally keep it simple so with the nfl he -- went on offense and when he was in a position of weakness and just endorsed a candidate luther strange who was on his way to losing and night before the rally everybody kind of knew you
stepped many it and sort of putting up with a week of attacks on him for having lost his touch and kneeling before american flag now during the the national anthem. journalist and pun others say it was about disrespect the flag but kneeling to protest racial injustice and or fair treatment for police, and he said he redefined it he said no, no i looked at the colin kaepernick statement and said i won't stand for the flag of a racist country, and trump just said this is how we're going to fight this belittle and whether it is okay to disrespect the flag. so that's something that republican and democrats feel in their gut, yeah i don't like that. but journalists and d.c., new york, los angeles, they look at a more intlek intellectually this is protest protected by free speech and they go on air and democrat and politicians
defending what the average american saw as disrespecting the flag. he used them as tools to dloifer his message far and wides easer kept it completely simple because of that he probably won outright the fist culture war of the reallies have won since coin the term decades ago, and hoe got all of his opponents to cool out to say well i think it's okay to disrespect the flag. afnlg votesser said heck no, and if democrats don't focus on economy and continue fighting these we want to disrespect the flag culture wars they might go the same way walter or other democratic candidates who have gotten their butts kicked during reelection campaign. >> is donald trump his own communication director? >> he is. he does it best. i do sarah huckabee sanders has done a financial job and way she's done that i think is by not making news herself it is a really hard job to be a press secretary for any administration.
and especially hard for president donald trump administration because -- he's his own oppress secretary he makes his own calls. he's -- he does it because he's the best at it. whenever he used to kl out when we were watching john spicer on news and shawn would be ripped into a rage and kind of play the game and make news every day and talk about it all afternoon. when donald trump kale out he would defeat them, and him versus john great television sparring. he's -- he's the best at it and you shouldn't -- should not dell a task that you're best at when you're president of the united states you don't have tile he makes the time he watches it. and -- i don't envy those doing the job. so that point is it safe to assume that style is a little bit or more important to the president than substance? >> often with president donald trump it is. you know what a lot of that
cools from business and it is one of the chaps in had the presidents in epilogue the white house challenge, because he operated for decades and built his empire and his name for decades in a place where technology and communication and information was not instant. he would use phones there was the age of pay phones maybe car phone, that came in original trump limousine released by cat lack he now can be fact checked immediately. he uses something that i write about called truthful high perp lee and expand to make a deal. he'll hype something as measure it is to make a deal. that can become difficult in the presidency of the u.s. because presidents word is supposed to be very solemnly taken. now if you're a federalist or a constitutionalist or someone who is worried about the increase in executive authority that we have seen for decades many this country this actually might be a good thing for you because for the first time, president can't have a way into international
conflict as well as he could have before because donald trump is humanized the presidency once again and no longer like the seat of the pope where everything you say must be taken seriously. when you wear the right hat it is president trump isn't always taken exactly at his word if not policy immediately. and he's brought back some humanity to the white house in that regard. >> you also mention in the book that then -- donald trump before became president was the president of a pretty lean organization meaning trump organization in new york city. now that he's president of the united states, he's in charge of millions of federal workers, and that takes a while to adjust to in materials of a people making a complex environment. do you think the president fully has embrace what had it means to be presidents and often time he has to delegate responsibility? >> it took him a few months he was -- not immediately a quick lesson learned. it was a learning curve there.
he did come from a small operation where the people who work for him had come up from, through business with him some of them have been driving golf cart or body guards places that he liked he saw one guy with a really stopping saying that guy handled that stressful situation phenomenally hire him and years later he was leading golf course for the president not yet the president at the time. he knew these people and trusted them and did work for him and they're loyal to him. now he comes into a government where even at the highest level you've got 100 u.s. senators with their own agenda. their own prerogative their own election who don't owe anything to the president and congressman who do not owe anything to you, you've got a sprawling physical bureaucracy certainly is against what you're trying to do he's trying to dismantle government and change it as we know it and
sent out fundraiser elier today saying that it is funny "time" magazine reshaping government as we know it to exactly what happen he wants to do it is not in him so you've got military that will towards the president comes with a lot more complications it is -- a scale which no other person has to deal with. and i think it is a surprise of him how much towards him certain pockets of the government have. it's a lesson he's been learning with leaks going down mostly we have one from the fbi investigation. largely going down and it will be a bumpy with road but i think that he could still succeed if he does not succeed many getting his agenda across one of the reasons will be that. >> is he oklahomaed in the office? >> he was at first one of the hardest jobs in l world you have to remember that there are millions of people working for you making this decision every day.
and only ones that not a single one of the people want to make but wants to get to your desk and it could be anywhere from 5 a.m. when we know he's awake till 2 a.m. where we don't know if he's awake. these decisions are life and death. it's not a decision about whether or not you build here or deal in this city or work here it is a decision on whether a young man or woman life is put on the line and sometimes that involves death. that's overwhelming to anyone. but with it i think he's adopted well in certain parts to that, and certainly doing as well as he can to handle that. >> do you think he was surprised on election night when millions of americans learned that he was becoming 45th president of the united states? >> yes. because "the new york times" put him at -- i think 8 president chance of winning that day hill riffs in 90s at that point. most people said he was not going to win. you know who was a true believer 100% all the wait through was
vice president mike pence. he was confident that they would win . there were signs i saw that battle between two different new yorkers at one point you have bernie sanders who was born five years before donald trump in brooklyn not too far. but life took a very different path. he joined a commune until he was kicked now the 1971 for not working. and then mayor and ten year later he became a congressman and then a couple of years later he became a senator. ten or so and then he ran or for president and he faced a similar situation with donald trump had. which was there's a crisis of leadership to democratic party was all all faltering hillary cn was not beloved by voters and complete cays yous unlike donald trump he did not take advantage of that situation and if he had he would have clearly i think unseat hillary clinton as party nominee. and would have won pane potentially won the presidency of the united states. i met so many people in new
hampshire and iowa, and south carolina -- and virginia who were in between bernie sanders and donald trump. when drurch was nominee for republican party and bern me didn't make it they were going towards him so definitely signs that hillary clinton would not hold together barack obama coalition but still i was in new york that night at hillary clinton headquarters and facebook headquarters where they expected hillary to win and trump hotel and people were still surprised it was a hard fought battle. >> book you write in months she was sworn in shows fox and frenldz and in tonight learned that president is watching he like the rest of us is getting his news not schismly but from cable tv, new york time, new york post daily caller latest 10,000 word thank you piece in the think piece in the new yorker might tickle fancy in circles in washington, d.c. in san francisco, but that kind of
high mindedness is read by real americans nor are are they any sign it is read by the new president. what do you mean by that? >> so donald trump watches a lot of television. people criticize him for they say why are you watching tv? george criticized for not reading the media enough and for relying on dossier more than the the media but donald trump watches fox and fredz in the morning it is most widely watched morning show around by a long shot. he reaches a huge amount of people and it's often basic concerns. it's not eye mindedness show ranges from -- what's going on in the political landscape that average americans would find interesting. to what's a healthy meal for your kid or what's a fun costume for halloween and u through watching shows like that he has -- really gotten a good idea of what makes americans comfortable what makes americans uncomfortable and uneasy, and generally watching the mass
media of this country opposed to reading new yorker which -- is discussed amp and wonderful cocktail circle here and there but isn't reaching doesn't have a finger on pull of what is actually going be on in the united states you saw a lot of these journals -- and websites that said -- oh, man i can't believe that hillary clinton lost. i guess we're going on tour of red states to see what it is like. and look at the tour and a lot of these blue cities and red states so really you're going to understand real america by going to a craft cocktail bar in nashville i don't think you can understand tennessee by doing that. donald trump has a better understanding of that. ...
at trump tower and political magazine. what did he mean by that? he doesn't like to fire people? >> guest: though and it's uncomfortable. i have rarely had to do it but most people who have to fire people really don't like it. you're telling someone you haven't done a good job and it's not like you're telling a student bad grades, it's someone that will have to go home and told her boyfriend, girlfriend, wife, husband, parents or kids i don't have a job anymore and that is rough. he made it into a game show but
he doesn't like to do it. often in his organization he would make people realize they probably shouldn't be there or when he got into a fight with a chef, the chef was correct but super rude about it he told the manager get rid of that guy i don't want to see him anymore but he has had to fire people and he does when he needs to. bad people in the company no matter how uncomfortable it is, they need to go. other people notice it and it causes trouble for the company or the white house and its toxic and it causes trouble. somebody who is a leader needs to make that call of influence and say okay i will do things
that need to be done here and i'm going to cut off this toxic thing. he's done it when he has to but it's an exaggeration he created for himself for the entertainment show. often times when you are running for public office, they are our friend from kindergarten, elementary and so forth. i do not recall any childhood friend speaking on behalf of which donald trump. >> guest: that would be a little abnormal. that's why i broke this down. i don't think anyone would appreciate that could go against people he writes about his
father was very much like him and how he got along very well, everything was competition coming tcompetition, youwill woe i do. his older brother talking about his new drug policies broke him and he ended up buying at a younger age so i don't want people to be like donald trump waiting around for the next teddy roosevelt. these are born to in a lifetime kind of people. some of the things, he wasn't as social. he didn't drink, smoke, run around and take part in a lot of things his colleagues did and fellow students. he was absorbed in real estate in the business and for a guy
like him he's lucky to have his family but there were a couple of friends in business who came out of the national republican convention and a couple people spoke on his behalf in most other people he met at the top of his career. it's hard to keep in touch with childhood friends, he came of age before facebook made it so much easier that he was always a focused. that's what he saw hi when he s, kids, ex-wife dared to speak on his behalf more than useful be a rich childhood friends i personally rely on them to keep in close touch with. >> host: when researching the book is there anything you noticed for the first time, anything behind the scenes that you said something i didn't know? >> guest: i didn't know the full story of his brother why he
didn't drink or smoke and it's a sad story that his brother had killed himself i learned a lot about his father and background and grandfather into their travels and his grandfather was an interesting guy, he immigrated and went to alaska and basil fools looking for gold and said why don't i just wait down here for the gold and put a bar and some say it could have been a brothel's that means those the event get gold gave him money for the drink, he did very well and moved back to new york, i learned about how donald trump hasn't changed nearly as much. folks say he was this and that.
if you look back at his interviews he hasn't changed a bit much. >> host: is he philosophical about the positions he takes? >> guest: i've never hear heardm site a philosopher before but he thinks more deeply about it and i learned a lot from reading the art of the deal. i dismissed the deal at first because it was ghost written and it becomes obvious it was by a guy with extremely close supervision. i've often heard from people that say he's the kind of guy that will to call up before printing and that comes with a 10,000-dollar fine if he takes a
careful review of the things thethan you would imagine. ack micromanager? >> guest: i would say he's more of a delegator. he says he isn't willing to make a 30 second phone call to save himself. he likes to put people in charge of different areas and go forth but if there is a problem he likes to be one of the principles that goes with it. this got him in trouble. i want to send my son down and go myself.
and opposition researcher the context of the campaign he would have sent a lawyer to meet with this person. donald trump said we have an important meeting and i don't know if he made this by the way that it was an important meeting. my son should be there that's put principles in the room. >> host: there were some reports that he doesn't like being president and is isolated in the job, doesn't know wh whoo trust besides his family. based on your research in the book those unsourced people might be telling the truth or is an exaggeration and the job he always wanted? >> guest: it's not the job he always wanted or the job his
wife always wanted but she's gone along for the ride. a lot of stuff i've seen is exaggerated. working in journalism i found it is easy to exaggerate the importance of the source. hundreds of people work in the white house. there's not that many in the white house that have a seat at the table and there's not a lot of people that know what's going on but the amount of times we could have written what other wr story we wanted to click the amazing and when there is a price that is picking it up in building its own narrative, a lot of what he counted on for good press in the country have become gossip magazines and rumors and there are newsletters where the whole top two sections are projecting what they d do anything different players are thinking.
a lot of it is because it fits into th the merit of the reports want to be devian believe it ifa step back and say is this likely often times it wouldn't pass the test. we saw buzz feed news that included donald trump and some things if you read it out loud and you didn't already think he was the devil you think that doesn't sound right. but because of what reporters already think, they are willing to write this stuff without being certain and that's gotten them into some trouble because a lot of people are starting to say your partisanship is coming out, you obviously don't like him and you are printing malicious stuff. maybe someone out there that's watching can show me wrong because i want to look into this, the amount of corrections you've seen the stories are kind
of high and those that correct hillary clinton are pretty low because in a stor when a story t and makes hillary clinton looked guilty of something they are careful to make it right because it doesn't fit the interest of what they woke up feeling. with donald trump people don't give him the benefit of the doubt and assign malice when they shoulthanthey should and ws unethical. >> host: chapter seven you go on to write i don't do it for the money, i've got enough, he continued more than that, deals are my art form from other people paying on campus or write wonderful poetry i like making deals, preferably big deals. as the presidency the ultimate deal for donald trump?
>> guest: i certainly hope so. i think that this has been another problem for him when you do a deal in business which is what he wants to do, you're dealing with facts, your company is failing and minas succeeded. people are bound by that. some that made the trump towers a success were the property was buying was lagging. they were hemorrhaging cash and have to get up. now with senators it doesn't matter we could be losing a billion dollars a day or a trillion and they could say this policy works. politicians are held to their own ideas and grassroots and often they are not rooted in reality so it is difficult to say maybe this program isn't
working. so it's become more difficult. he's also trying to deal with an opposition party and they don't want to enact the policies they promised to sue its become extraordinarily difficult in the way that we have seen it done in the past but he has gone back to seeking leverage. he says if you don't fix it the way you said you would in the republican party i'm going to make it unfeasible and he starts picking it apart at the pier a critical level and he forces action. this is a new plan he has been coming up with and it will be interesting to see how it works is there anything else we are not aware of?
they are ways to cool down and in television more and more people give him a lot of credit for criticism of. you can't go to church without criticism or a lot of people and you can't be off url to the open air and you don't have to look at your cell phone from new york or los angeles or wherever and people are criticized on how much he's played at what i don't think they understand is unlike the past president who got his kicks going to the gym, playing
basketball, golf, talking with friends, this president gets his kicks plating gold and that's probably the only time off that he has. >> host: d. you think that he cares what other people think of him perhaps former presidents spin absolutely. he would like to pretend sometimes and there are those whose opinions he doesn't care about. i don't think it keeps him up at night. i think it bugged him at first. probably bugged him when joe scarborough didn't like him.
it's a pretty good mechanism used it in high school. he doesn't let it dictate everything in his life. from enemies and new enemies but like all of us are definitely staying as when an old friend turns their back on you if every night you can't really get away from it. as a man who spent his whole life be building things and working in the hospitality industry i'm curious to know whether you think they like
living in the white house and being served by white house staff. >> guest: all the signs say that he does. there's an old structure and it needs some reviewing of a. he has a fondness for the hotels and the golf course in scotland and florida. he ended up according to the conversations we have had with the press being surprised, and it's hard not to be when you walk into the white house, it's like when you walk up to the lower level at arlington cemetery when you come into these places filled with history and story and prestige and you see that this is where i live
now or this is what i must protect now, the importance of the presidency has an effect on him and he's like that's the best endorsement i've ever seen he seems comfortable and hasn't returned very often ever since. >> host: do you believe the president communicates with the predecessors jimmy carter and george w. bush bill clinton and barack obama? >> guest: not much. >> host: why? >> guest: they don't like him at all and they've made that pretty clear. even though they have different politics and is specifically a different strategy for the middle east than george bush he
didn't feel the need to speak up then. provoke obama hasn't done with the former presidents have done except for jimmy carter which is retire. he's a young man who had a lot more energy left in him yet more he wanted to accomplish, and because of that i think he has shown a lot of three straight and i doubt he calls to give advice for donald trump gives him advice. an interestin interesting interh jimmy carter who said last week president trump has been treated more viciously than anyone he can possibly remember. for years they were taught how unethical it was for a newspaper in 1964 to say that goldwater
was mentally ill because they hadn't traded him to say if you haven't been to the patient nowadays when they call him mentally ill it is called brave journalism so it is unfair in that regard. it's pretty isolated, he is different from the last presidency and he basically ran against everything they built and i don't think they are going to get along for that reason. >> host: would it be applicable to the second term? >> guest: i think mainly because this is how he operates in the seventh decade and you know from talking to relatives
that he doesn't change now you have to look around because people don't give that much in the 60s and 70s i think that if he wins the next term, a lot of it isn't going to be because of what he accomplished with how his opponents respond to it. george h. w. bush was a i don't think the democrats are responding to the president trump is pushing across and they promised self reflection. now it is all back to the politics barack obama did
successfully sue president trump will take the same lessons and bring them to the end of his life i suspect. >> host: when did you get the idea to write the book of? >> guest: it was formulating in my head. shortly after i met him for the first time i got the idea something was wrong when i saw them at their rallies and then i saw the journalists they were pretty tough on journalists. i got away from them by running into the gymnasium bathroom taking off my tie, i'm combing my hair and holding my jacket because the people who were there who were wearing ties and jackets for journalists.
i remember laughing to myself as they got pulled away like a 6-ft four, whatever he is and he says there's no way you can hide by taking off your jacket so i hid in the corner. after i met him i thought they were definitely wrong. and then people kept stopping these completely basic on the basis on television i thought i'm going to write something about how they are wrong and maybe a few of them will read it. they have a little notification on their cell phones so when he
said that, thousands of people must have felt like their hair was on fire because they couldn't stand one of their own wrote a book about it. the president has been elected and wanted to write something thasomethingbut cannot now withf time around christmas and i've never written a book so i talked about this with those at simon and schuster and he said can you do that and i said of course i can thinking in the back of my head of course i will do this like stink. one of the people i think in the book because i was working a full-time job and hanging out with those like you on television and she put up with a lot of grumpiness in that time but it wasn't hard to write because donald trump in his life
if less integrity most of it himself. the only main difficulty was coming up with an outline of breaking up what is a person in different separate lessons taking back down. once i had that, he kind of wrote the book for me. >> host: the majority of the book focuses on the campaign and now that donald trump is in the white house, can you see yourself writing another book about january 20, 2,017th of january 20, 2020? >> guest: they don't like to tell them what's going on with the book. they say we will tell you when it happeneit happens in to get s later. i got a lot of good response and heard things from people on the right and the left and even good
things from family members that never hide the truth from me that could be critical and it makes more a story that has been good so far. >> host: if you stimulate us to read the book do you think they would recognize their father, brother, husband? >> guest: absolutely. i wrote about their husband or father in the book and it's accurate and it's not just on the musings if they were to read "the new york times" or watch cnn and is this person that is fueled by hate is not an
accurate portrayal. it can be tough on the president and his better aspect in his faults can get him in trouble but most of it is about how he succeeds int if the reason you e people like this standing behind their father and the children are excited to take the reins. >> host: can you make the argument in the book that donald trump truly is a human being that cares about his own brand
and not just his peers but the vast majority of america, do you think he cares what people think about him? >> guest: his brand is synonymous with him. his father started the trump business in the donald took it to the next level. he wears his own ties, gold said this on golf courses, drinks his own water if he drank wine he would drink trump line and his steaks available only at the sharper image. >> host: he lived his brand of? >> guest: tv leaves in it and a lot of people said that. you see these so intelligent reporters at places like the daily beast that has good reporters by the way that not these saying the campaign spends $30,000 on trump water bottles is a scheme to enrich himself, think how many it gives the campaign if you think it is
enriching yourself maybe that's why some of the supporters are not tha that won't be that he believed in his own brand and would be deterred from that, he's comfortable in his own places in his own skin and he wants to sell that and the trump tower and the sea has become incredibly successful since he won the presidency so there is one issue he has with his sandwiches that i don't think ever as an americaofher as an at been so exposed to terrorism or danger as donald trump has now. he has properties over the world. you walk in the hotel now you don't see the secret service on the average day coming to see a couple of security guards but now there are symbols of the pride of the leader of the free world all around the planet and i think that before he is done being president there will be some tragic incidences involving his properties.
>> host: last question for you. the next book? >> guest: i might leave that point to the wheaties. i don't want to explain too much about her. i'm not sure what i'm going to write next. i have a little bit of writers fatigue after i finished this book because i was writing all day and on weekends and like most people sometimes i would rather have a beer. sometimes i did sneak out to the local brewery to write but usually i write about politics and culture and i cannot wait to force myself to get back into that because the opinions are starting to swell in my head and my friends are sick of hearing about them so i have to put the pen to bed. >> host: thank you for joining us. >> guest: thank you.
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