tv Call-in with Katy Tur Unbelievable CSPAN December 3, 2017 2:21am-2:48am EST
thank you. >> thank you. good things must come to an end i'm so sorry because this conversation is absolutely very engaging and inspiring. >> thank you -- thank you katy. thank you tony please buy the book. please buy the book. [laughter] sorry about that. [applause] thank you very much.we have gots statement that we will be live all day tomorrow on sunday. joining us on our booktv said at miami-dade college katy tur of nbc. her book unbelievable, my front row seat to the greatest campaign in american history. katy tur reading this book there
doesn't seem to be much of a filter. is that a fair assessment? >> guest: this was not coverage of the political campaign that i was following. it's not what happened in the donald trump orbit for every decision that has been made. this is the look about what it's like as a journalist to be there and to see it up close to show america what we do for a living, the hardships we go through, the long days, the longer nights the interactions we have with the campaign the interactions we have with supporters has humorous lighthearted moments but also very dark moments because this was how he be filtered about what happened in 2016. he was so unbelievable. >> host: one of the things you say throughout the book is don't count him out and you are
sensing something out there. >> guest: i don't think anyone should have to and that's why i don't think anyone should count him not to this day. yes he still says outrageous things and he's played by negative headlines and scandals and for early investigations but donald trump enjoys the support like nobody else has. people like him not despite all of the many controversies but because of them. they have a feudalistic nature and themselves that donald trump represents and that was discounted very early on. we were discounting him election
night november 8 even when the momentum was in his direction people were saying oh no the urban vote is going to come in and it's going to kill us. >> host: katy tur in your book also you thank the trump supporters who were nice to you. you thank the trump officials who gave you access to information. did you experience that and we all know the bad side. >> i don't think anyone should paint anybody with a broadbrush. there are campaign staffers and that's why i have a very good relationship with. there are some who i don't have a very good relationship with them that's normal for a reporter covering anybody. you don't always like the journalists that are covering you. they don't want -- they don't want to be fact checked.
our coverage is not always fawning and it's not supposed to be fawning. there's always going to be that push and pull. i had a lovely and positive interaction with donald trump supporters as well, people who helped me curl my hair in the bathroom and it was so surreal because at the same time there were so many supporters who were calling on, calling members of the media liars screaming at us at the top of their lungs in giving us the finger threatening our lives. i had death threats during the campaign because donald trump riled them up and told them what liars they were so they took out a lot of their anger on members of the press anger for the establishment and anger for the status quo. aimed curve for congress in washington and the way things always were. they were able to take it out on news who were hemmed in and each
one of these rallies. >> host: if you want to talk to katy tur about her book "unbelievable" 748-8200 and the central timezone (202)748-8201 if you live in the mountain and pacific timezones. you talk about the press and it really is -- >> guest: it's an area that's usually in the center of the rally cordoned off that come up to your waist. he would have them in the center of a basketball arena in grand rapids michigan with five or 6000 people surrounding us on all sides. they would be up against the wall with supporters on all sides of us in the belly of a world war ii battleship. we could come and go as they please when donald trump wasn't there but there were some reason which was never fully explained
by the campaign. they would force us not to leave whenever donald trump was in the room. the secret service for reasons we still don't understand since the secret service is paid by the public they were following directions in the campaign. i think it was probably partially because donald trump didn't want supporters asking questions on the rope line but then there was also a theory that was positive after the campaign. we were there as part of the act, part of the show. donald trump brought in members of the elite members of the establishment and when he turned on us he allowed everybody in the room to turn on us. to get their aggression and frustration out on what was wrong with politics in wrong with america and his minded in
their minds. that he brought into show. >> host: two questions. is the press a legitimate target and was there a legitimate argument that donald trump was making? >> guest: if you don't want to trust what they are saying but i don't think we are not a legitimate target because without journalists it's just propaganda. politics will tell you whatever they believe in whatever you should hear. not maybe their own self-interest but there interested they are preserving. i don't think you can trust what a politician says on face value. it's not the way that our democracy was set up and it's not what our founders had envisioned with checks and balances on lawmakers on our politicians.
you need to have a press for a healthy and functioning democracy. we are a cheap target, not a fair target, we are a cheap target for politicians who don't want to be held accountable. did he say we are bunch of liars and? no. >> host: katy tur is our guest in the first call comes from will in carolina. you are on booktv. give us your comment please. >> caller: yes, can you hear me? >> host: we are listening. >> caller: i have a question in regards to something she mentioned about the miami but deal earlier and it has to do with the difference between fact checking and building a context for those facts. the question is do you think it would a fair edit times the media contextualize facts that may or may not be true to the point that they either become
false or true and that would be a valid criticism of the media the contextualization of facts or non-facts rather than stating things to be factual or not. >> here's the thing about facts. they are facts. annapolis and apple and orange is an orange. facts are facts. they are not suggestive so you can't contextualize a factor make it true or not true and i'm trying to understand your question but i think maybe what you are saying is to be swayed by the way in which we describe something. that's not our intention. we tried to put donald trump in context for those who had come before him and for what most politicians had -- and also you can fact check it and say that's not true and maybe part of it
was true in part it wasn't true into contextualize and donald trump is calling a federal judge unfair because he's mexican. the context there is he is a of mexican heritage and we should point that out in the context as this is a man who is presiding over the tribunal bursts of the base and their rulings that he doesn't like and donald trump has always -- things he doesn't like and trying to push back on the idea that the university was a fraud which was what prosecutors were saying about it it. the people who participated in it were saying about it and trying to get their money back pray that's just one example. i'm curious for you to give me an example of where you thought we were tipping the scales one
way or another. >> host: will willis gone unfortunately. we will talk to bob and maple springs new york. bob, you are on to katy tur. >> caller: hello, i'm very glad to be on with her. my wife has read the book and i'm reading the book. we feel like we know you did we spend a lot of time with you and we feel you've been very honest in your book. have you gotten any negative feedback from people the way you portray them in the book, things that they said are things that you attributed to them, any negative feed back? >> surprisingly but now no i have not. i talked to a number of people who appear in the book or there is information reported in the book and i've so far gotten positive responses. i haven't gotten anything negative although donald trump he did tweet about it today came out and basically he said it's
fascinating to see journalists who know nothing about me right a book. that's been the most negative response i've gotten. >> host: have you seen have you seen him or talk to them since the election? >> guest: i have not since the election, no. >> host: why did you go to the white house? isn't that the usual path? >> guest: i didn't go to the white house, there a number of reasons. first of all you do this a lot in this business where you have a lot of personal relationships and i blew up a relationship i had and i developed one here and it got serious and i wanted to get married. >> host: did you get very? >> guest: i did get married. >> host: three weeks ago. congratulations. >> guest: thank you. secondly i believe what would be
beneficial to me during the campaign was that i was an outsider. it's not the washington swamp and not to say that it's a swamp reporters who live there have a baggage about how washington works and what i was able to do on the campaign trail was take a look at it with a pair of fresh eyes and really judge engage without all of the rules of washington behind me. especially going into 2020. >> host: the next call for katy tur is ronald wright here in hollywood, florida. hi ronnell, go ahead. >> caller: my question is about the american voters. as you travel around you think the american voters are educated and often do they follow the issues? is this a popularity contest now now? i'm in my 60s and i can remember prior to an election
people were more concerned with issues and they read stuff. the media was a positive thing but now it seems to be a public thing where i don't like this candidate so that's my concern. what is your assessment? >> host: think you ronnell. >> guest: that's a really good question. i think we as a country need to be more educated and the process of our politics and elections the process of journalism and our policies in the issues i think there can be a bit of tamil vision at times deciding you like somebody and you like the way they speak so you are not want to hear anything else and that's on both sides of the aisle. he you decide the other candidate is evil or a liar or all of the negative attributes
for that person. i don't think we are as michigan-based as we could be an part of that just culture and part of that is the advent of television. they talk about when tv was invented when they first started airing debates and suddenly we saw people who were a little more -- so i think that's a failing. but you are right. during this campaign especially donald trump did not have a lot of policies. talk about policies allowed in the talked about building a wall and supporting illegal immigrants and having a muslim ban. these were mostly having to do with immigration and it wasn't the nitty-gritty of getting things done.
the fact that we didn't talk about it more certainty to our detriment. >> host: michael in nevada, hello michael. >> caller: hello and congratulations katy on your wedding. >> guest: thank you. >> caller: i would like to know how difficult was it for you to get access for sources through the campaign, the trump campaign people? i have seen that you were treated viciously with the rhetoric and i have got to commend you on your bravery. i was just curious about what it took to get interviewed for your sourcing. was it really that tough on you and go ahead. >> host: thank you michael. >> guest: is always difficult to get to know a group of people to build sources but that's part
of the job. what it is is it's a series of relationships and building trust trust. are you going to tell me the truth when i ask you questions and are you going to be honest if he really dealt no something basically it means we won't name you. you don't reveal sources. you are able to talk freely so that's a process that takes time and getting to know people. it's difficult for reporters to penetrate. this campaign was more difficult for all of us not just me. you learn who you can talk to and who you can't talk to and who you can trust even off the record. and when they don't give you
access, that can be very illuminating in itself. you figure out why they don't want to talk about a certain thing or why they might shut down at a certain time or who they talk. you get a feel for it and you learn how to navigate. >> host: were without point that you were truly frightened in your life? >> guest: the most obvious answer to that question, i did a sitdown interview with donald trump and trump tower in july and it got really contentious. at this point and then somebody would tweet me, there was one man who was saying very aggressive things.
are you going to arizona? i'm going to find you and i'm going to tell you what i think. when i was in arizona even early on and this was july i was really cautious about who was around and i was really on edge. the back of my neck was always up. i've never experienced anything like that. he did get threatened as a reporter. i've covered natural disasters and happy stories and human interest. then it never worked with such fire in sensitive emotions so early on i got kind of -- but the muslim ban when he called he when he tweeted that i should be fired or reporting this and that
room at that moment in time i felt served -- super nervous in the campaign felt nervous. one of the staffers arranged for secret service to walk me to my car. >> host: the next call for katy tur comes from a late era era -- allegra daly city california. good afternoon, go ahead. >> caller: good afternoon. katy tur act been watching you since the beginning of the campaign. i remember when barbara walters wanted to discuss politics. she was on nbc the today show. she was ambitious and she was going to do this and i started watching "msnbc" at the beginning of the campaign because of you and the other young women who were going around the country during the
campaign. i worried about you, really. i worried that someone was going to abuse you. i went to the dash school later than donald trump and i got my mba. he came up to me once to function in new york and said i didn't know women could get their mba and i said mr. trump, yes they can nowadays. let me tell you in 1976 it was really tough. i wish once in a while you would have older women on your shows. we can explain to why there are men like donald trump and harvey weinstein, bill clinton. we admire you so very very much. i watch you every day and my father --. >> host: allegra we are going to leave your comment.
thank you very much for calling in for katy tur. >> guest: thank you very much. >> host: was there abuse that was sexist and calling you out? >> guest: i will leave that to the individual to decide. he used different language for women than he did for men. he called me out a lot. but he called me out starting the very first day. i was at a rally early on and the continued throughout the campaign. it could be attributed to the fact that i was the correspondent i was the correspondent that he was recognized in the crowd of people. we had a lot of one-on-one interaction. i had worked on nbc on "the apprentice"."
he wanted coverage from us and he wasn't getting it and i was young. i have not covered politics. i'm a small woman, i am 5 feet 2 inches and maybe he thought that he could either charm me into being friendlier or steamroll me and intimidate me. that doesn't work, not with me. >> host: gene in st. louis, we have one minute left. go ahead. >> caller: i wonder if anyone from your network, any exec it if approached the campaign or the candidate about his calling you out in public in the concerns it raised and if so what was the campaign or the candidate's response. >> guest: the network did a number of times say we don't think this is appropriate.
you are endangering a reporter. i had to have armed guards, bodyguards half of the campaign after january or so. all the other trump supporters as well no matter where we went. they weren't happy about that. they thought it was inappropriate for a political journalist to be targeted for covering a political campaign. the campaign's response to them, i don't know because i wasn't privy to it but i will say i was talking to one of the staffers about the way he talked about reporters in general and he made sure he was putting reporters in or anybody in the press corps that might get hurt outside of a rally, inside of a rally for my decide to take it out on us or take it one step too far. i asked a staffer -- and the staffer said yeah and i said
does he care in the staffer said no. maybe he just didn't think he was as serious as we were. i don't know. >> host: katy tur do you ever hear from brian roberts? >> guest: the contact media? during the campaign? >> host: katy tur's book is "unbelievable" my front row seat to the craziest campaign in american history. where was the picture on the front of his taken? >> it's very interesting. it's in the trump hotel what was under construction. we just wanted to talk to him about whatever was happening at that moment. honestly i think it's around the time he was saying the families of terrorist should be targeted