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on campus. hillary clinton, big supporter of aipac and also an outspoken critic of bds. the approach to fighting it bds have been trying to legislate against bds. there's been a state level legislation and attempt to add clauses about boycotts of israel in trade agreements in the us. as i mentioned, the use of title vi complaints claiming dissemination. again, the person who is headed those title vi complaints is actually someone the trumpet wants to appoint to the department of education. ... >> companies that have actually participated in or endorsed the boycott or decided to withdraw from israel, as has illinois and a number of other states. in 2010 a number of national
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jewish-american organizations who identify as zion came together to put $6 million towards fighting bds. now you see in 2015 a new campus group called the campus macabres formed by sheldon adelson in conjunction with another donor, and they put $50 million in place to fight bds. the latest government funding is reported to be $73 million. and there are a number of covert efforts that have been underway including the use of lawyers across europe and the u.s. to try to file lawsuits and target bds activists and institutions. the ministry of strategic affairs are now responsible for blacklisting groups including the organization that i am proudly on the steering committee of. and canary mission is a web site that has been set up explicitly
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to blacklist and target activist scholars and more in the same sort of, along the same theme as previous organizations and web sites that existed like daniel pipe's campus watch, bears an eerie resemblance to oscar the grouch. [laughter] i want to highlight these two articles side by side where you can see on one hand israel says that efforts are -- sorry, that the efforts -- wow. israel says that the efforts are failing, and on the other hand it says that they are growing the efforts to actually combat bds. ultimately, this is, by the way, that is like similar to the idea there are no palestinians, but also they're trying to kill us. it's like saying it doesn't exist but then -- israel's efforts have helped us, actually, to grow. the center for constitutional rights, the aclu and others have jumped in to fight on the infringement of palestine
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solidarity activists' rights. efforts to legislate have already started to be ruled unconstitutional as in this case in kansas that the aclu work ad on. and now -- worked on. and now we've started to go on the offensive. congresswoman betty mccollum has actually put together legislation defending -- [applause] defending palestinian children and calling for their rights to be recognized and for israel to, israel's aid to be conditioned if they are not able to sort of explain this and stop this practice of imprisoning and, well, violating the rights of palestinian children. ultimately, we have a pretty long way to go. but, you know, i think as one journalist told me from south africa, one day we thought we had 20 years left in the struggle against apartheid, and the next day i woke up, and we were in negotiations for the end. so thank you. [applause]
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>> would you like to say there for -- stay there for a second? okay. so there are a lot of questions that people have come up with, and this is -- what is your answer to people who say that bds is anti-israel, anti-semitic, anti-i -- anti-jewish? >> i would suss those out because those are different. when people tell me bds is anti-israel, my response is typically, first and foremost, to say that -- i mean, well, i could say there's nothing with being against the state. i don't even understand that argument. you must really love states, because i wouldn't be called if i fought for rights in the u.s., would i be called anti-american? but ultimately the idea is if you're saying that forcing israel to become a state for all of its citizens is anti-israel, then what are you saying about the state of israel? and the other thing i think is when you say that it is anti-jewish, one of the biggest questions that come to mind is whether you're recognizing that
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the majority of jews do not live in israel. that's an offensive statement. and it's almost inherently ain't semitic because -- antisemitic because you're saying they all support one particular state. so that's a disturbing idea. [laughter] this is an anti-racist movement, and the intention is not to target any one group of people, but to target a state actor and its policies. >> was there legislation against bds when it came to south africa? >> admittedly, i do not know if there was. i think that there -- in uh-uh recall, i don't know if -- if i recall, there's a document called have you heard from johannesburg. it's brilliant. and i think when i was reading about it, there were efforts to legislate against the south african boycott many that film. >> what can consumers do when it comes to costco and staples carrying israeli products? >> so, i mean, i would encourage people to connect, first and is foremost, with national groups like ours. so like the us cpr, the jewish
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voice for peace and other groups that have been doing this work like, you know, there's american muslims for palestine. there are a number of organizations across the country that have been doing this work. i would encourage folks to sort of tie in, first and foremost, and see what kind of resources and information you can get. for example, the american friends service committee has a database of information about these companies. but the other thing is, you know, i personally have found in a number of instances i just wrote to companies. i started letter-writing campaigns, started to challenge them. there was actually one targeting costco a while back that got them to pull one or two products off their shelves. so i think the key is like, you know, being connected to folks in your area and maybe like trying to start with one store, for example. and asking them why they sell it. never be presumptuous and assume that because something's being sold somewhere they're, like, in full support. i've had a lot of success also with small businesses locally,
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which is one more reason to support small businesses over large corporations. >> and i -- maybe you just answered this. is there a list of items that we should not be purchasing somewhere on a web site or -- >> so i'll say this, i mean, folks often ask that question. the first thing i'll say is that it's important to recognize that the power of bds is not so much in like presenting people with a list of a thousand items, but more in being part of targeted campaigns, right? it's like a domino effect. you've got to, like, press many one place and keep moving -- in one place and keep moving. but in terms of lists, data new york has a pretty useful list. i think the bds movement itself on bds movement web site may have a list now that's new. this is not the thing you probably saw circulating 5-10 years ago, and their web site is bdsmovement .net. but, yeah, i think most of the time i look companies up. i google them, i look up who the
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owner is, and that's how i determine that a product is israeli. >> okay. we've got, like, two minutes left. is boycotting states here in the u.s. that fight bds going too far? how best to do it and publicize doing it? >> say that again. >> boycotting states in the usa that are fighting bds. like -- >> i mean, i think that you will, i'll just say i think that's expending a lot of energy. >> okay. [laughter] i don't know how you -- okay. so how can palestinian citizens of israel support b, the s? >> there is a newly-formed group called bds 48, and it's palestinian citizens of israel. and what they did is they launched a call. ultimately, as palestinian citizens i don't know -- i mean, they're limited in what they can do. i know many citizens more years have not bought israeli settlement products, for example. but all in all, i think the key is actually being outspoken but also organizing. to me, bds is a movement that is
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more about the international community. it's a solidarity movement in the sense that we're the ones who are complicit. the majority of money that israel uses to oppress palestinians comes from the u.s., it comes from europe, and so the onus is on us mainly. palestinians inside, honestly, have a lot or organizing to do, and i is can say palestinian citizens of israel have been doing an amazing job recently of organizing. >> okay. i'm having some handwriting difficulties here, but can you talk about the growing discussion or debate of pink washing feminist zionists in a post-trump women's march community? >> sure. i mean, i guess i can say that pink washing, for folks who do not know, is the campaign by israel to the brand itself as an lgbtq-friendly place. it erases palestinian queers altogether, and in reality i think gideon mentioned tel aviv as a bubble. it is.
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and when people talk about the lgbt community and when israel's marking itself, it's largely about tel aviv. to me, tel aviv is the sun city of israel, and i think that ultimately, you know, lifting up palestinian lgbq folks who are protesting this is one way, but also recognizing that no matter what whether it's environmental or lgbtq issues or other issues there is -- on one hand there is no reason to then be homophobic, by the way. but at the same time, you do actually need to, we do need to actually sort of highlight that these things don't erase the crimes of the israeli state and that they do erase the palestinians who are suffering under those crimes who are themselves lgbtq. and i'll just add that israel's military occupation and what it's done to palestinian citizens of israel has removed a lot of the ability for palestinians to have a civicking infrastructure. and to me, that's one of the
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most demeaning things is when people ask me about, for example, lgbtq rights in, let's say, the palestinian authority, and i'm like there is no palestinian authority. the p.a. exists as a function of what israel wants it to do by and large, and it governs a very small part of the west bank. >> okay. and i'm going to try to have three questions and really fast answers because we are out of time. >> sure. >> should we only boycott settlement goods or all of israeli products and services? >> so there is no -- there's a common differentiation that's made between settlement products and israel's goods in general. if you have ever read the reports of economists or even read gived on's articles -- gideon's articles, actually, you'll see there's tons of commingling. israeli companies use lots of products from the settlement, and even ones that avoid being labeled as west bank products are using west bank goods. there are videos where israelis have documented grapes coming from the west bank and being
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brought into wineries merchandise of israel to be used. -- inside of israel to be used. if you look at europe, banks -- israeli banks were basically banned, and i think it's, i don't know, it's a number of banks basically cut off, israeli banks, because a they realized how invested they were in the settlement trade giving europe the sort of the e. u.'s new posturing around settlement goods. >> okay. and this is maybe a question and an answer in the same thing. i'm ashamed of my senator, ben cardin, in maryland. his bill for introducing 5720, can you talk about that, 20 years in jail and up to $1 million in penalties and fines? and then we have mr. sue gal in the audience -- siegel in the audience who wants to defeat senator ben cardin in the june primary in maryland. is that the answer? anyway -- [laughter] >> i mean -- [applause] i think to some degree that is the answer, yeah.
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[applause] question answered. >> thank you very much. >> no problem. >> we -- >> thank you for having me. >> next panel, okay. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]
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>> okay. our next speaker has been an active part of the movement for justice in palestine for 20 years. he's a journalist and the co-founder of the electronic intifada. [applause] which is a widely acclaimed publication. it's a nonprofit, independent online publication focusing on palestine. a graduate of princeton university and the university of chicago, he's a frequent speaker
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on the middle east contributing regularly to numerous publications. he's the recipient of the 2013 land and cultural freedom fellowship. and be you're a reader -- if you're a reader of electronic intifada or seat belt get the digest -- or get the key jest by e-mail, it quickly becomes quite obvious that covering censorship, debunking disinformation and providing insights that are available nowhere else is really what it's all about. he's author of "one country: a bold proposal to end israeli-pal sip january impasse and the battle for justice in palestine." and he will be available to sign both during the reception. and before he comes up, i just want toremind you again please send up your question cards. that reception is going to be a very, very big deal this year.
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so make sure you don't just jump in a car and run away at 5:00. you need to stay for the reception. so please welcome our guest. [applause] >> okay. thank you. all right. are you going to run that timer with 18 minutes on it? yeah, i received a letter several weeks ago from grant informing me that i had 18 minutes to speak. i'd never seen such a precise organization. [laughter] i was very -- now it's running. it's very intimidating. [laughter] right. well, i'm delighted to be here and among so many people who have been working for so many hundreds of years collectively,
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maybe thousands of years on this issue. and a real depth of knowledge and commitment, and i'm very glad to be among you. and, you know, the title of the talk is really just to let me kind of have a starting point to say whatever i want. [laughter] but, of course, it's a good starting point because here many washington, a city i very rarely travel to, you know, russiagate is all the rage. and if you turn on the television or look at "the new york times" or msnbc or cnn, that's all they talk about. and, of course, now more than a year into the russiagate hysteria, nothing, there's nothing to the central narrative that there was collusion between donald trump and his team and russia to steal the election
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from hillary clinton. i think hillary clinton was a very capable, in fact, i don't want to take credit away from her. she was entirely capable of losing that election -- [laughter] on her own. [applause] and as i was thinking about what to talk about, i came across this quote from hillary clinton from 2006 from two days after the palestinian election that hamas won, and she was speaking in a closed meeting with the jewish press. that's capital jewish press, not the jewish press in some kind of conspiratorial way. it's the name of the publication. [laughter] and she said i do not think we should have pushed for an election in the palestinian territories. i think that was a big mistake. and if we were going to push for
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an election, we should have done something to determine who was going to one. [laughter] and that's what russia stands accused of, but unfortunately for the faithful, the russiagate faithful, there's nothing there. there is no there there. and for this i'm not going to go into the, into a long exposition on russiagate, but i really want to credit the journalists who have stuck to this and really shown that there's nothing to it. there's a few of them, but i'll mention the two that i've learned from the most on this, max blumenthal and aaron mckay at the real news who's here. and it's a great, great independent source of information. and so they've really shown, they've just gone after this and
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shown that there's nothing there. but the big story that the mainstream media and the democratic so-called resistance -- that's big d democratic so-called resistance -- doesn't want to talk about is what we can call israelgate. and here there's lots of evidence of collusion. lots and lots. just take, for example, the indictment of michael flynn, the plea deal of michael flynn back in december that, you know, was hyped up in the media. aha, finally some evidence of russian collusion. well, it was nothing of the sort. what michael flynn indictment showed or the plea teal, the proffer, whatever it's called in legal terms was that michael flynn had talked to the russian
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ambassador on behalf of israel. and what all the papers and the reporting show is that he had done this on behalf of israel at the behest of jared kushner who was doing it at the request of benjamin netanyahu. so this was -- [applause] to try to, this was, this israeli interference was to try to undermine the policy of the sitting administration at the time which was still the obama administration. this was during the transition in order to undermine the obama policy of allowing -- of course, obama never had the courage to stand up to israel really, certainly not to vote for a resolution on palestinian rights. but the obama policy was to not veto it and to let it pass.
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and so the kind of give it a wink. and what netanyahu wanted to do through jared kushner was to undermine the obama administration policy. and the evidence of the collusion is right there for all to see. and what was so interesting, what came out in the michael wolff book, "fire and fury," as well which again was pilling the airwaves for a couple of -- filling the airwaves for a couple of minutes or days or weeks or however long a news cycle is now was that, you know, steve bannon said right there on the, you know, in "fire and fury" that the entire trump administration policy on jerusalem, on palestine, on israel was from the very beginning dictated by sheldon sn adelson, the pro-israel billionaire, the casino billionaire who now wants to pay for the u.s. embassy in
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jerusalem. basically, a total privatization, outsourcing of u.s. foreign policy to a pro-israel oligarch. and nobody has found any russian oligarch or billionaire who's exerted anything close to that kind of influence on the trump administration or any other u.s. politician. sheldon adelson is doing it -- [audio difficulty] to buy the u.s. embassy. this is treated as completely normal and unremarkably practically. and instead, you know, we have got msnbc going crazy about, you know, indictments of a few people at a troll farm in -- [laughter] st. petersburg. i still call it leningrad. [laughter] and who, you know, had zero impact, zero impact on the u.s.
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election. there are some serious implications to all of this russiagate hysteria. i want to focus on one of them because time is short. that part of the russiagate hysteria is actually -- the part that's been rellively unexamined is that the russiagate hysteria which is being pushed by the so-called resistance and also by many on left, unfortunately, you know, people go along with it because it's kind of this easy, no-cost way to oppose trump. but it's helping the israel lobby in some very material ways. it's reinforcing the israel lobby. well, i'm going to -- [laughter] just give me a minute, i'll get there. part of this russiagate hysteria was to go after rt, the russia -- used to be called russia today, now it's called rt. heir just could be the street.
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i -- they're just down the street, i was just there at lunchtime, gave them an interview. and as part of the russiagate hysteria, they were forced to register under foreign -- >> [inaudible] >> registration act which mysteriously aipac has not done. [laughter] [applause] and this was generally applauded by the, you know, a lot of liberals, a lot of democrats. and lo and behold, grant mentioned this morning the al-jazeera documentary. the one that was done and aired bilal jazeera last year on the british-israel lobby was very important. it showed the underhanded tactics, there was undercover film of an israeli embassy agent plotting to bring down a british government minister who was perceived as too critical of
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israel, that he'd criticized the settlements. they wanted to bring him down. and that plot was, you know, i don't know how far hay got, but al-jazeera busted it with this undercover investigation. and the british media swept it under the carpet. but it's very important for the public to know. and then back in october al-jazeera revealed that they had done a similar long-term investigation in the united states, an undercover investigation. we can glean some of the organizations that they have focused on because some of the names floated around, but the point is they got in to some of the key israel lobby organizations. as grant said, they've gone all out to suppress this. and qatar reportedly promised
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top officials they would suppress this film. it has been denied. who knows? what we do know is four months after al-jazeera announced the film would be broadcast very soon, it still hasn't been aired. and what we know is that the israel lobby and the pro-israel members of congress are now circumstance rating a letter -- circulating a letter to the justice department demanding that al-jazeera be forced to register as a foreign agent and citing the registration of rt as the precedent. so russiagate created the precedent to suppress the israel lobby documentary. we need to see that connection. we also need to see the connection that some of the top russiagate pushers in congress like senator ben cardin who is
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the main sponsor of the israel anti-boycott act, you know, who claims to be against russian interference is one of the main proponents of israeli interference in american politics in this way. we also need to understand the bigger picture around the israel lobby documentary which is that qatar and the gulf states see the israel lobby as the way to washington's heart. [laughter] so when, you know, you want to show yourself to be the best pupil many donald trump's heavily-armed classroom, you suck up to the israel lobby. and qatar is doing that in spades with inviting, they just had the head of the zionist organization of america. how do you like that?
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on an all-expenses-paid trip to meet the emir of qatar. alan dershowitz who came back singing qatar's praises and compared qatar to poor little israel, boycotted and besieged. another thing about russiagate came out a but, a few days ago in "the washington post" that jared kushner -- four countries discussed how to use his business interests and business problems as leverage to pressure him. four countries. guess what? one of them was israel and none of them was russia. so there's quite a toxic mix going on there. but this morning grant said that he thinks this is going to work and that we're not going to see the israel lobby documentary.
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grant, i'm going to say i bet you're wrong. that one way or another -- [applause] one way or another we're going to see it. and we have to keep up the pressure. we have to keep demanding sunshine on this israel lobby interference, israelgate, let's call it. now, i think that, you know, as one of the speakers, barry, mentioned this morning we were asked to come with good news. .. last april, our publication, the
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electronic intifada. pushed a leaked report from two important israel lobby group, the anne defamation league and the institute which is an israeli think tank. this report, which was circulated. they were very careful -- didn't want you to read this so they circulated it only in hard copy to top israel lobby leaders. so no copies floating around on e-mail. that doesn't stop the electronic intifada. and this report said that -- theser their words -- that despite increasing their spending 20-fold in the past six or seven years to try to suppress the bds movement, they've been unable to stem its, quote, impressive growth and significant successes. and they go in the report into great detail about that.
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the key point is, where they are hemorrhaging support is month decent people. all decent people. particularly people who support human rights, progressive people, and where is the support being concentrated now for israel? it is becoming more and more an extreme right, white supremacist cause so that as was mentioned this morning, richard spencer calls him a white zionist and says he looks to israel for guidance as to how to model the aryan ethnostate he wants in the united states. we see that love being reciprocated from israel to the far right in the united states and in europe. we also see the opinion polls others have mentioned, which show the crash of support for
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israel among young american jews, really among -- it's a generational shift that's happening across different demographic groups, including american jews, including, according to another recent survey, among young evangelicals. that's important to know because that may be a constituenty we think there's too far began and let's not waste our time. the message is we should be talking to everyone. the good news is that i used to be just a couple of years ago, let's not waste or time with congress because there is -- you know, it's such hostile territory for palestinian rights that we can't -- we're better off doing something else. i have to say i've changed my mind because of the effort of the no-way-to-treat-a-child
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campaign. which is a campaign that many people across the country have taken part, in but spearheaded by the mesh friends service committee and defense for children international palestine, because of theirs grassroots work over several years, they -- what we saw is, see saw betty mccollum -- i wish that's come up with a name like the patriot act, but not the patriot act. it's call the promoting human rights by eastbounding military detention of palestinian children act. what this bill does is prohibit u.s. aid to israel being used for the military, torture, abuse and detention of palestinian children, of course, like ahi
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timimi and 3 on palestinian children who are now right now as we are here, in israel military dungeons can being tortured and brutally deprimed of their childhood by the so-called only democracy in the middle east. [applause] so this is really -- this is a good news story because we can all go back -- this film now has 21 cosponsors which is not nothing. i have 30 -- it's gone into the next -- okay. good. so, this is not nothing, 21 cosponsors. in this congress, in this country. there are some surprising names. but this is a good news story because all of us who want to go back and do something, can go back to our members of congress and say, we want you -- organized people to write to them to go to them and say, we
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want you to join those other 21 members in supporting this bill. so we are not powerless against this israel lobby. we will -- we are capable of defeating it, and i am certain we'll be able to do so. mr. speaker issue yield back the balance of my time. [applause] >> thank you. we have a number of questions here. let you hydrate there. i guess one of the first to come in -- where was it -- okay.
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this came in from one of our many students, i believe, worry attending today. do you believe we will see significant gains for palestinian rights in our lifetime? he says i'm 21. >> yes. i absolutely do believe that. that is how -- that's what keeps me going. i believe it's in our power. i think we live in a paradoxical situation that we have for many years that we are winning the argument but we are losing on the ground in many ways, and i think that perhaps is what explains the pessimism of someone like gideon levy, who is their chronicling what is happening on the ground. it's very hard to be optimistic in that situation. in my lifetime i've seen enough
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examples in this world of sudden and dramatic change that doesn't -- nobody knows the exact moment it will come, but it is because the ground has been laid for it for so many years. i believe that our work will bear fruit, and i believe it will happen in our lifetime, and i think it could come sooner than many of us think. >> okay. so this question is kind of about the lack of balance in terms of giant philanthropists, and it says here, ali, would i be wasting my time -- you mentioned sheldon ellis union -- wasting my time to send books by you to bill gates, warren buffett? who do we send these two?
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>> i definitely encourage you to send my book. and the many other good books available at the book store, to whoever you like. they make great gifts. let me say something about the issue of philanthropy because i know that sometimes -- oh, wouldn't it by great if there was a palestinian sheldon adelson, not doing evil but doing good. but you know, that's not the -- not really the answer. what i think i have learned -- speaking personally, working with the electronache intifada, my colleagues, what makes us rock solid against the thuggery and bullying and intimidation and censorship of the electronic
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intifada. we're not broad based. we're not reliant on one big donor or funner. we have a broad base made up of people across the country and around the world, and that is why -- that's the strong base of what we do. so, when you're reliant on just a small number of people -- if there any billionaires out there i'm not saying you shouldn't give you money, but it's very important for people to understand that our efforts are cumulative and do add up, and your efforts in support of local groups, in support of local campaigns in support of work that you see independent media, whether it's the real news metwork or whether it's the electronic inty fat -- intifada or other groups that brought us together today. that is the bedrock of what we do and what makes us impervious
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to their bullying because they can't just go -- can't go off to thousands of people but if it's one or two, institutional funders, they can and do go off at them and that's how hey get the universities. that's how they do the kind of harassment and censorship and silencing that professor abdou was talking about. hence the importance of everyone doing what they can, whether its in terms of time or whether it's in terms of money, supporting the effort in this movement. >> i think we have just a quick question here and i think it's pretty easy for you. local newspapers have a lock on the oped pages and never reiterate these issues. they always seem to go to the same pro-israel views. how can we overcome be locked out of the op-ed pages and become regular contributors, which would give the public an opposing view? >> well issue -- well, i would
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say we are more locked out of the so-called mainstream media now more than ever before. in my estimation i think back to the second intifada, which was 15, 20 years ago issue used to get invited on msnbc and used to get invite on cnn. i used to get invited on other mainstream -- on fox. was on hannity once or twice. that would never happen. now it's al-jazeera, it's rt, the real news network. not even democracy now anymore. you have to go overseas to be able to talk to other people in this country about what is going on. that's one element. the other elements i think is that the so-called mainstream media is less relevant. yes, it's still powerful, still a lot of influence and reach they have but we have more
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influence and reach than ever before. through our independent media. that's why the electronic intifada exists so bypass the op-ed pages and reach people directly, to put information in the hands of activists and journalists and educators directly. so, we are not -- we have broken the monopoly. they're still strong but we have broken the monopoly and i believe when we reach people directly, it works. with all the concentration of media power, that still existed, the opinion polls are terrible for israel, and getting worse. and that's when we're just working from the edges. so the message is, it's very easy to be pessimistic about this situation, but i would not get up every day and do this
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work if i didn't see it having an impact and believe it's within our capability to fundamentally change the situation. >> thank you very much. [applause] >> our next panel is just about to begin. [inaudible conversations]
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[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> all right. we have the last panel, and it's going to be a really interesting one about u.s. -- american foreign policy. so, jefferson morely will speak
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first and talk about the cia and moss sad. tradeoff in the formation of the u.s.-israel strategic relationship. jefferson morely is a vern washington investigative reporter and the author of "the ghost: the secret life of cia spymaster james engleton" which is flying off the shelves of the bookshelves. his latest must-read book, shed news light on the close relationship with israeli intelligence by engle ton, citing case sun as the 1967 attack on the uss liberty and the diversion of u.s. government owned weapons grade uranium from apollo pa to israel in the '60s. a native of minneapolis, morely attended yale university and work as an editor at the number republic, the nations and spin
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magazine before joining the "washington post" in 1992, where he worked for 15 years. his reporting has appeared in numerous. you're going to want to buy his book after hearing his talk. thank you. welcome. [applause] >> thank you. to linda and thank you all for coming. thanks to grant for inviting me. thank you, gideon, noura and ali, who i made friends with for the first time last night. thank you for being my friends. this is my first time at this conference, and everybody has made me feel very welcome. thanks, too, to our live stream audience for paying attention. please share this video on social media. you have your orders. push that thumbs up burton early and often. since the publication last october of the ghost, my
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biography of james engle ton, hey have spoken to many people about this unique and some would say sinister character but i don't think i have ever spoken to a group this large. so, thank you all for coming. if you do like this talk, i hope you'll buy the book. in fact i've been told it's in iron -- an iron law of the conference, i if you look the book you're obliged to purchase the book. so i'll be signing here afterwards and you'll know what to do. james engleton is a story for the ages and also a story of our times. i want to emphasize that and sketching a little bit about him personally and the very earliest days when i first stafford he my book, the term "the deep state" was unknown publicly. and when i finished the book two-year-old later in he spring
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of 2017 i was informed by an abc news poll that 48% of americans agreed there is such a thing as the deep state, which was defined as military or intelligence officials who secretly manipulate u.s. policy. i realized that angleton, who was a cold warrior and a zealous defend are or america's leeway role in the post world war was also an avatar of this so-called deep state and i don't mean that in a spooky way. mean that in a specific concrete way. angle ton bodied and shaped the cia eto thes and internal procedures specially in the realm of counter-swell intense, soviet penetration dominated the thinking of western intelligence agencies and they're lego can be seen the counterintelligence investigation into the trump campaign and allegations of collusion with russia. i want to emphasize i only use
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the term "deep state" as a term for the array of u.s. national security agencies that operate under the shroud of official secrecy, and there are a dozen, at least a dozen, such agencies based here in washington. the cia, with its $15 billion a year budget is the largest. the nsa with a budget of 10 billion is second largest. the defense intelligence agency is about 4 billion. and then along with some other obscure but still very large agencies look the ngia, ever heard of the ngia? i didn't think so. the national geospatial intelligence agency is a $4.9 billion a year agency. collectively these agencies spend probably 50 billions to to 60 bill daz year which makes them a small but powerful,
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potent sector in the american scheme of power. want to know how the ngia spend your 4 about $9 billion? good luck. what to see a line item budget of cia activities in africa last year? move along. it's true that congress normal -- nominally has oversight powers and elected officials have security clearances we don't have so they can go in and look at selected operations, but the intelligence oversight system is very weak, even its defender will admit. the intelligence committees poorlyize and can't agree on what kind of secret activities they're supposed to monitor. he the fisa court system is supposed to protect americans from surveillance by their government, but it largely functions as a rubber stamp of the secret agencies. secret government is the norm in america in 2018, which is why the discourse of the deep state has such currency today.
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angleton, i put to you, pass a founding father of what we call the deep state. so who was he? born in 19 -- december 1917, james angleton grew up as the odest son of james hugh angleton, a brash, self-made american businessman who moved to ill lan, it -- milan, italy, during the depression and made fortune. he went to yale college and then to harvard law school. he was a break coshes, good looking ongoing man with a literary frapped of minuted. as an undergraduate he befred friended his fellow expatriate, pound. he was mad tribune of mussolini's fascism. in their corporations correspondence, angleton apriled the rhetoric of esa round,
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criticizing the jewish book merchants who he hug thought overcharged for pounds books inch 1943 angleton was recruited into the office of strategic services, america's first foreign intelligence service in rome during and after world war ii. he excelled in secret work. he rescued farming sis from post war justice. among other tasks he reported on the flee of jew -- the flow of jews escaping from germany and heading for palestine. the revelation of the holocaust tran formed his attitudes towards -- transformed his disdain for jews into something of sympathy. the began to develop sources among the leaders of the jewish and connist organizations, including teddy kole yack, and a german operate tonight who bake known as asher benn atna.
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with the passage of the national security act in july 1947, angleton went to work at the cia. cia came intoest competence and he became the chief of the foreign intelligence staff with responsibility for intelligence collections operations worldwide. in those days, the cia was right here in the heart of washington. it's hard for people to believe now, but the cia was located in a series of temporary buildings located along the reflecting pool next to the lincoln memorial. the tempo, as they were called by cia people, were drafty in the winter, hot in the summer, and dough void of charm year round but this where is the angleton work at what was known as the office of special operations. angleton, white sympathetic to jewish suffering, was still very wary of israel when he started his career at the cia. the 1948 war the jewish army was
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armed by czech. the soviet union was the first country to recognize the state of center 1948. and angleton initially feared the soviets would use israel as a platform for injecting spies into the west. the israelis for their part were looking to cultivate american friends. stalin's anti-semitics purges in 1948 showed his allegiance to the jewish state was superficial at best. in 1950 a man named rubin, the founder of israel's first intelligence organization, came to washington and visited the cia and he came away very impressed with how it was organized. he went back to israel and in april 1951 he created out of a very fractious collection of security forces what was known as the institute for intelligence and special taskses. evidence in by known as as as
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mossa d.a. david ben gurion came to the united states. he midwest private live we president tumoron and angleton arranged for ben gurion to have lunch with his friend, allen dullless, who would become the director of the cia. the purpose of the meeting, a retired director of mossad told me in an interview the purpose was to clarify in no uncertain terms that notwithstanding what happened between israel and the united states in 1948, and notwithstanding that russia had been a key factor israel's survival, israel considered itself part of the western world and would maintain the relationship with the united states in this spirit. he stayed on in washington to work out the arrange.s with angleton. he, according to his biographer, soon developed a special
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relationship, quote-unquote, and angleton became the cia's solutionsive liaison with mossad. angleton traveled to israel often and was introduced to the chief of cower intelligence for israels where domestic security service. he headed up operation balsam, the israeli's conduit to the americans. quote, they told me i had to collect information about the soviet bloc and transmit it to him, he recalled about the americans. i didn't know exactly what to do but i had the idea of giving them material we had gathered a year earlier about the efforts of the eastern bloc to use israel to bypass an american trade embargo we ed ited the material and told them to never ask for us to identify our sources. the cia mossad relationship grew.
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in 1963 a man succeeded as -- was succeeded as the chief of mossad. -- he noted his identification with israel was a great asset for israel. asher benn aton, angleton's source, was playing a key procurement role in the program to obtain nuclear weapons. teddy alcoholic, one -- colic, later become the mayor of jerusalem. angletons israeli friends were some of the architect of the zionist state. as i learned -- came to learn this story from talking to cia veterans and israelis and reading a lot, couple of things stood out to me. first of all, the israeli recruitment of angleton was extremely astute. in the early 1950s, angleton was a rising star at the new
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agency, the cia but he was not a senior figure and not even particularly powerful. the israelis recognized the latent qualities that would make him powerful. second, angleton's creative intellect and his operational audacity inspired deep feelings of loyalty among the israelis. while angleton's counter-intelligent vision would become very controversial within and bitterly divisive within the cia, he was widely admired in israel as a stalwart friend. and he still is to this day. in 1954 angleton became the chief chief of the criry's counterintelligence staff. in 1958, mennor passed him a copy of the khrushchev's speech and he criticized the cult of personality around joseph stalin are this intelligence coup made angleton a legend within the cia and a power within the agency as
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well. and it was very much made possible by the israelis. angletop's formative and sometimes decisive influence on u.s. policy towards israel can be seen in many year, from the impotence of u.s. nuclear proliferation policy to israel's time in the 1967, six are day war to the teenle u.s. response to the attack on the liberty to the intelligence failure end bid the yom kippur war of 1973. i tell a lot of this story in "the ghost i" but the stories is to large its deserves its own book. other coo certainly not do justice to it in the 18 minute is have, so i'm going to couldn't fine myself -- confine myself to one narrow discussion about the tradeoffs implicit in this arrangement between the cia and the mossad and its implications for me.
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the question put to me by grant is why didn't the cia help the fbi investigate the diversion of u.s. weapons grade material from the united states to israel in the 1960s and 1970s? and the short answer is, because jim angleton didn't want to. angleton played a keel role in enabling israel to obtain nuclear weapons and did so in a assault way that left few fingerprints. he was not a man to investigate himself. many of these details are now known, thanks to grant smith, roger matson, john haden, jr. and others. i want to just give you a sense of how this transpired. the nuclear ferrell e materialss and equipment corporation started processing high he enriched uranium in the united states in 1959. they were created by david lowen alcohol, finance year who financed the post war boatlift from europe to palestine that
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was roman size net the book and movie, exodus. he hired shapiro, a presidential jurist to run the company. at that time the u.s. government owned all supplies of nuclear fuel which private companies were allowed to use but ultimately had to return to the government. within a few years the atomic energy commission noticed signs they apollo plant -- they had a plant in apollo, pennsylvania -- that the plant's security and accounting were very defish. unexplained losses did happen of nuclear peep, happened at other companies but numex's hases already much larger. by october 1965, the aec citied 178 kill go grams of highly enripped uranium has gone missing from the facility. by have 1968 the figure was
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267-kilogram. john haden was the cia station chief and would concur with the any nance assessment of cia's nuclear scientist that israel had stonele fissile material an ite to build their nuclear arsenal. this story is now very wish -- documented in 1967 aing at the mission welt on a loading dock for a breath of fresh air and saw an unusual site. shapiro was pacing on the dock while a truck driver loaded containers on the a truck. this material was destined for israel. it was highly unusual to see dr. shapiro in the manufacturing section over the apollo newark facility, the technician said.
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unusual to see him at night and very unusual to see him so nervous. the next day, the personnel manager visit the technician and threatened to fire him if he did not keep his mouth shut -- a quote -- concerning what he had season. it would be 15 years before the employee told the story to the fbi. what did angleton know? well, he knew that the aec and the fbi were investigating starting in 1965, as the israel desk officer at the cia he talk about the case with liaison agent sam passage, who was monitoring the investigation for the fbi. he also spoke about with his colleague, john haden. on the crime scene particulars, haden defended his former boss. quote, any suggestion that angleton helped the sires with the operation was without foundation, he told journalists but hadden didn't deny that
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angleton helped the israel nuclear program. why was somebody roz life was dedicated fighting communist would have interest in getting an anti-communist nation. the fact they stole it from us didn't worry him in the least. suspect in his in-most heart he would have given it to. the if they asked. haden, knew better than to investigate any further if never send anything to angleton on this, in the nuclear program, because i knew he wasn't interested. haden later told his son and i knew he'd try to stop it if i did. with the fissile material, israel crated its first nuclear weapon and became a full-blown nuclear paw by 1970. the first and still the only nuclear power in the middle east. angleton, iter is fair to say, thought collaboration with israel was more important than u.s. nonproliferation policy and believed the results proved his point.
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when he started his chief as the counter-toll generals staff in 1954 the state of israel and its leaders were regardly warily in washington, especially at the state department. when angleton left government service 20 years later, israel held twice as much territory as it had in 1948. the cia and mossad collaborated daily and the governments of the united states and israel were strategic allies. knit together by intelligence sharing, arms contracts and coordinate it diplomacy. angleton's influence on u.s. israeli realizations between 1951 and 1974 competed that of any secretary of state, with the possible exception of henry kissinger. his influence was largely unsoon by congress, the press other, democratic institutions, and much of the cia itself. he was empowered by his ingenuity and clandestine relationships. the arc of his career breathes
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life into the concept of the deep state. i thought of this story when i visited one of the memorials to angleton in israel in 2016. the memorial is located on a winding road, outside a city which is now a suburb of jerusalem. historically control of this high ground has been seen as key 0 the control of jerusalem and palestine itself, and the nearby ruins of a castle built by 12th century christian crusaders for exactly that purpose, stands in mute testimony to the importance of its straight county location. the memorial is a pedestal of seasons with a black plaque, to james angleton, a friend, it says. this plaque was dedicated in 1987, few months of he died and has been mained by his israeli friends ever since. it's still in perfect condition. the location is no accident.
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in the course of his extraordinary career, angleton more than any other american enables the americans to gain and hold the strategic high ground in the middle east. he was, as his friend said, the biggest zionist of the lot. thank you. [applause] >> colonel lawrence wilkerson is up next his biois incredible long and he has a lot to talk about so i'll shorten it. he's going to talk about is the u.s. ramping up military presence in syria and preparing to attack iran or center and his last position in the government was as secretary of state colin powell's chief of staff from 2002 to 2005 and -- i'm shortingen it up. before serving as a state department, he served 31 years
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in the u.s. army and he retired from active service in 1997 as a colonel and has taught national security affairs in the honors program at george washington university and you're currently distinguished visiting professor of government and public policy at the college of william and mary and you're working on a work about the first george bush administration. welcome. [applause] >> thank you. and thank you all for being here. i'm the last speaker. i get that distinction. if this were a military audience i'd ask you to stan up and do five minute of calis thennics. i have to identify with the remarks just made. over some 400 students graduate and undergraduate, and 12 years on two university campuses and six years with bat a thousand
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student -- about a thousand students at war college, we have determined, although it would be probably difficult to proffer, and that's the reason we have covert operations -- that lyndon johnson not only knew the gory details of the israeli attack on uss liberty in the eastern meds terrainian issue, he also knew about what was told you. knew the rainum was being -- uranium was being diverts and knew israel was billing a bomb and didn't do anything about it. that's not my subject today, although i could talk on that sort of thing forever, as i'm sure jefferson could, too. these days, i believe one gets the best insight into israeli security policy, and perhaps even into israeli policy at large, which you heard a lot about today -- from the russian émigre to israel, former foreign minister and now the defense
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minister. whether it's his calling arab members of the knesset war criminals, or declaring the jewish people should leave france, or claiming that the next military action against hamas in gaza will be the last, or contradicting his own military chief by denying there is a humanitarian cries in goods a or stating the idf will stop at nothing to win, reminding me of dick tcheny. he is he face of the netanyahu zionist policies and think he would rather remained in russia as long as hit was the soviet union and he were in a significant position of power there. in addition to reminding me of cheney, he is reminiscent of and might be a late ten version of joseph stalin. as an aside it's intriguing and
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i think well outside the usual conspiracy theory, to consider whether or not lieber more than has been intimated of our own president trump might be -- uname it plant. that is an agent of vladimir putin. he has more or less forged most of the 1 million russian imgrays -- émigres into a political force that hat played kingmaker in he israeli political scene. what a strategic coup for vladimir, the master chess player in the world in my estimation, while everyone else plays a really lousy game of checkers. it would be quite a coup for him. a far more concern at the moment and readily provable, lieberman exemplifies where israel is headed, toward a massive confrontation with the various
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powers arrayed against it, conference addition that wail suck america in and perhaps terminate the experiment that is israel and do irreparable damage to the empire that america has become. lieberman will spike -- speak in april. the tight it the new war with iran, unquote. it is clear that he is in the forefront of promoting this war. nowhere does my concern about such a war focus more acutely at the moment than in syria. as president of france, macchron, described it riotly, the resident his of the u.s., saudi arraign and israel issue pushing the region toward conflict on iran, unquote. in that triad no state is doing that more than israel. listen to netanyahu in january at the holocaust memorial museum
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in jump jump. quote. the gratees danger we face of hatred for the jewish people and the jewish state comes from iran, come proceeds to the ayatollah regime who is fanning the flames of anti-september -- antisemitism. almost always a choice of israeli politics under stress, herred at the country whose jewish population, the largest in the middle east outside turkey and israel, lives in iran in reasonable peace. and don't forget these words are uttered by the man who is, as we heard here today, briefly doing everything he can to expel dark skinned african refugee from eritrea and the sudan from israel. where most have come as legitimate refugees. president trump's wall on the mexican border is nothing compared to his policies.
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his appearance at the security conference bordered on infantile and effective as he held off an alleged peace -- an alleged iranian drone anded and zarif is he recognized it. of curse are in zarif later took his occasion at the microphone to characterize netanyahu's performance as like that of a circus clown. pretty good characterization, matter of fact. but i leak the comment of lebanon's defense minister even better that went to the point if said hi has an israeli drone over his head virtually 24/7. that comment put the hypocrite that netanyahu is in the right perspective. of late, of course, tel aviv is increasingly using iran's presence in syria, the support for president assad and its alleged drive -- i love this one -- my military comrade love it, too -- for a shia corridor from tehran to aiden as the
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herey best that myth not be at any cost, including of course american treasure and lives, as his probable cause and prompt for action. that israel has in support such disparate figures as nikki haily at the united nation. jim mattis at the pentagon and rex tillerson at state and the usual suspects from outside of warmed over neoconservatives but not just in the usual suspected from the world of neon cons -- neocons and i know about them having experiences the 2001, oto and '03. take my fellow syrian, lindsey graham, speak are four days ago after a breathless trip to israel. a bipartisan trip, he called it. i don't know how anybody could use that term. and i caution, don't laugh because lindsey was serious, i
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think, but anything bipartisan with regard to israel, call it unanimity, anything but bipartisan. in fact the proper words are probably overwhelming and unprecedented unanimity and in fact the only issue that does unify the united states congress other than mom and apple pie. put graham said this: anytime you leave a immediating where the request is ammunition, ammunition, ammunition, that's not good. that's lindsey. no lindsey well. this was the most unnerving trip i've had in a while, he said breathlessly, again. went on to assert. that, quote, when they tell you we won't help to deal with the blowback that might come from attacks on civilian targets where hezbollah hag integrated military capable, that was so striking, that was
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strike, end of quote. then senator kunes, who up until this time i've had some respect for, fairly sane and soper senator from delware, reported that, quote, the tempo in terms of potential for conflict in syria has gone up. the technologies of iran is projecting into syria and southern lebanon, has again up. iran's willingness to be provocative to push the issues of the envelope to challenge israel, has gone up. end of quit. kunes reported this almost as breathlessly as lindsey. with the highest tech nation on earth in syria, the united states of america, that is all kunes could derive from his visit. that the country that spends less than 1% of what the u.s. spends 0en its national security, has introduced new technologies in syria, technologies that threaten the
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country, israel to whom the u.s. bounty is limitless, this is joseph goebel's territory. call rove is envyious. the foundation for -- -- leads that pack of wolves disguise as warmed over neocons, laver verbally funded be the likes of paul singer. even spawned the institute for the study of war, fascinating orwellian title if there ever was one and should be the institute for war. i've been asked you ascribe to fdw and now the isw various modes. i would asked by "the new york times" editorial staff when by published my oned on my answer is cyber monday, bates that ware they attempting to do, just as douglas feis, under secretary of
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defense for policy, offers of special plans, in 2007 2002 and 2003 for richard bruce cheney to lead abuse war with iraq. i've been there, done that, don't knee the tour. the salient question, though, why do you believe that america is headed for a struggle with iran, needs an answer. certainly america's unquestioning support is required as has been the case from george w. bush to barack obama to the rapture, seeking mike pence and the tweeter in king, donald trump but seems that recently, lieberman and netanyahu and they're acolytes in this country, amongst which i put at the top nicki nicki -- ley have determined would be better if the me person 's to participated in the overthrow of iran. the opportunityityist opinion of view that better to squander
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your own allies' blood and treasure than your own, but it is certainly not in the character that i'm used to with regard to the state of israel and certainly not with regard to israeli defense force. that the force could handle anything iran threw it's it militarily is undeniable. any military profession yale will tell you that. and that is israel's more than 200 nuclear warheads could decimate iran is equally undeniable. so, why this attempt to suck america into this conflict? i believe the answer is fairly clear once you push aside the cobwebs that surround it. the legitimacy of great power is what i call it. and that is precisely what netanyahu and lieberman desire. it's also what riyadh desires, especially with the new boy king.
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now an erstwhile ally of israel, in short, the idea of defending israel but could it -- it could not attack iran, not successfully, anyway, and were it to do so it would be damned internationally and thus isolated even more than it already is today. perhaps devastatingly. so but america, already damned by well more than half the world, polls show show billion people think we're in the number one threat to their security in the world. think about that for a minute. we already done iraq, libya and syria, afghanistan would be -- just be seen as continuing the trend, beside federal has the military capacity and here's the long poll in -- pole in at the tent to project the power needed toed to seat swiftly the regime in tehran. swiftly in terms of saddam hussein, not swiftfully terms of taking care of 57 million people, each one of which in
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deep terrain would want to kill every damned american in the country along with probably half the rest of the arabs in the area. so, there's only one significant hangup that i see with this strategy that netanyahu and lieberman are pushing. embroiled in his own legal problem that just might send him to jail, as such problems would likely have sent charone to jail, had he not been in really bad shape at the end of miss prime ministership, they're both headed for war. i'm convinces of that. they will use iran's allegedly ex-ex-send tall to israel presence in sir contract which is becoming even more so from a military perspective every day, hezbollah accumulation of missile, the need to set lebanon's economy back yet again, -- that's important. look at what they're deliberating with regard to the
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new, very, very rich gas fine in the eastern mediterranean -- with israel claiming section 9 and lebanon claiming section 9, take that, lebanon we'll bomb you, then you'll let us have it. and that will be their excuse and we're looking at them taking on -- this is a point that all military people understand -- a country that couldn't beat iraq in eight years of brutal bloody war. and iraq that we beat in 19 days. so this is the colassal threat that they're enagainst, and men such as hr mcmaster are helping them. the much heralded author of "dereliction of duty" and a man who knows as much about iran as i do be in eighth planet in the solar system past our own and here's a hope i have. let's hope that the chessmaster in chief, vladimir putin, either
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runs elections from paris to peoria, i smart enough not to let this happen. i fear he'll not be and might have the stirrings of 1914 as as utley stupid as we now the stirrings have been. people whom i messengered such possibles, people who are analytical and sound, volunteered spat don't you consider that dreary prognosis prognosis explain hi rejoiner, don't you think a number of people said in the summer of 1914? they respond, but have we not learned so much since then? you be the judge of that. and inform you only that in my considered view, we have learned very little and there are the ingredients right now with turkey, syria, iran, iraq, saudi arabia, losing dramatically in
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yemen right now and the united states and russia at the peak after all of this to get engaged. a very distinct possibility. i looked at this from the privilege of the political parameters. what is it that we're confronting today in this country? this took me down an entirely different path as i tried to figure out just how this team of mcmaster, tillerson, kelly, et al., and trump at the top of it, will face this sort of decisionmaking process. the only place i could find that remotely resymbolled where we are today -- resembled where we are today in our past was a period, 1850 to 1860. so about six months ago i started reading on that he period and have done some reed reading and needed to do more. it is stunning the similarities
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between that period and now. particularly in the political situation where one side of the country wouldn't talk to the other side of the country, and vice versa. and now i was struck today by some of the comments that were made that resymbol the comments that were made by my region, my state fired on fort sumpter -- back in those days and if that is the political situation in which this government will do its national security decisionmaking, then we are in deeper trouble than even the prospects of a region-wide and perhaps even bigger war in the middle east. and the country that will have started it all, the relationship, unbalanced as it is that will make it possible, is israel. and that's the danger we face. [applause] ...
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>> it can confine itself to the usual intelligence at task. there is a lot of concern about the possibility of the israeli spying on the cia there are factions that have different views about israel but my sense is it isn't them aside that does the work in washington. >> so what kind and iran do in response? >> this is war games at nausea and by the u.s. military with a number of different scenarios. one where the u.s. around the clock bombing was doing so much damage that iran was
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pretty shocked and those 14 or 21 days. much like the first gulf war. but then i ran comes out two counts its casualties and goes into the guerrilla war but if we want to do anything other than just bomb them and to have a nuclear weapon in 18 months then watch as hesitate because that is what they know they will be doing. we will force them to make that decision so immediately we are confronting a country that is huge, we have done the war planning for it planning in the 80s for the russians to break out of afghanistan to come on down to those two
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ports that was a possibility. and then to get bogged down but it is a tough country. the invasion will take five or $6 trillion for it even begin to say they are in control of the country. it is one third the size of iran and will put a red bull's-eye on the back of every soldier in the country that every terrorist group will want to engage. if we take the other scenario we would have the same thing. and at least the possibility to go underground to build a nuclear weapon. >> now what about the
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intelligence effort from kushner? [laughter] >> what about assistance to the trump campaign or what about large purchases of stocks to prop up the market? >> i don't know anything about the last question but jared kushner is so incompetent it doesn't look like the work of any professional intelligence organization trying to find a way how to get out of it. so while he is very close to the israelis and using the israeli contacts to solve the financial problems i don't see intelligence agencies to be involved and i know why they would want to. >> how far do you think russia will go in the syrian conflict?
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>> the difficulty is no plan outlast the first bomb being dropped. once you start killing russians were shooting down and they start shooting the f-16 you have a real problem so to control that escalation says you probably can't control that so that is what worries me now. that being said putin realizes that in has shown he knows he doesn't have a lot of assets behind him compared to the assets of the united states could bring to bear if it were serious. so he has been very careful the way he moves in the gaps and the exploits he is getting ready to do in kosovo right now. with the northern province infiltrated by the serbs
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mcmaster and others are not even aware it is happening. but he is very smart so what ought to be happening right now is the united states and moscow, despite the two of them they should be cooperating for those two parties that really need to talk to talk and get them to deal with their problems diplomatically onto the syrian conflict fueled principally by saudi money. with the prints in charge. >> how important was the cooperation between cia and mossad like central america?
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>> there was a significant israeli role the reagan administration those counterrevolutionary forces and not restricted in the aid of other military regimes they turned to the outside actors but also to the israelis and it was never clear if it was and the cia in the reagan administration and then for them to prevail in the civil war so during that time it was significant i am not well
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informed about the cia and mossad so i cannot comment. but with the increasing trend with that agrees along --dash increasing aggressive action what about launching a final solution? [laughter] be back at this point or i don't think any of those ultra- right wing zionist political movement or whatever you call it, i don't think they are that fatalistic. i really think they can wind
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up with jordan and pieces of syria and israel can be greater and they are willing to back off on some of that to give them a problem with that. and for a number of reasons and security reasons. so i think they will try to keep this in the air to start. and when has the law presents as they did july 6 with new options or maybe even the lebanese armed forces this might get tricky and that is
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when the door opens. there is a question that here is why i think we put the base they are because last time i spoke so the pentagon responded but i'm joking. that is the same reason we have tripwire forces the bases are there so there can be no question in the minds of the american people when the president directs u.s. forces into israel because we will have been attacked. so to set on the israeli air base we put up the stars and stripes but it is there with
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u.s. territory or if they actually try to put guerrillas into the proper then we are being attacked also so when we go to congress and a trump feels like he has to actually congress is demanding that he take action. >> that is very sobering. [laughter] >> we are out of time what are the possibilities of a 911 type of strike to propel us like iraq? >> i thank you have the adequate ingredients right now. 3200 troops in syria though secretary matus and tillerson say we need to confront those iranian elements have the
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president of the united states contradicting them to say no we are leaving but that is ambiguity you could say you will never be done with aces completely but the policy is not clear right now. all of the ingredients are in place being conflicted on an hourly basis by direct communications you have all the ingredients for something that suddenly becomes just like the sink the aircraft carrier when a $14 billion dollars is on the bottom of the ocean? guaranteed. what will we do? is it over taiwan? will we defend taiwan? probably not.
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but this is what we are courting at a time when our power has been dramatically reduced in 1845 and we don't recognize that. too many enemies. [applause] >> once a year supporters come together as a drug dealer's conference. [laughter] so this week we will see a steady stream of legislators
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portray israel to be morally upright into so probably have unconditional support once a year for the past five years this conference has gathered experts to provide an alternative point of view. last year's conference to describe the israel lobby as a powerful interest group like the nra the pharmaceutical lobby, aarp and it operates the same way as the other interest groups do. and to push policies that are neither in israel or america's national interest growing numbers of americans and especially young people have those lobbies on our political system with millions to congressional campaigns to spend millions from national
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political advertising and the kids want to make the world a better and safer place they are frustrated by adults who say it is too hard to get legislators to change their mind on legislation, guns let alone wars or occupation they are telling leaders that the time is up. one of the israel lobby's main goal is to prevent a conversation in the media the u.s. is really relationship and the lobby itself it sparks the conversation that aipac does not want us to have students and future leaders are exchanging ideas to form relationships as they map out a new direction for the united states this open conversation
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will continue with middle east policy and the washington report on middle east affairs but all of us need support from you to inform more americans about israeli policies and behavior in her own government's responsibility. they do not agree on every issue but we argue that when it comes to d.c. each year they prevent -- present a unified front. this should be our own model and our goal to have unconditional support for israel occupation in palestine. palestinians deserve no less. thank you. [applause]
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>> do you have a red ticket to attend the reception? and everyone according to him has to sign up for that. the final two book signings will be here so i also want to thank many financial backers. [applause] also buying tickets are with extra donations at all
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levels. ten or 100 or $1000.1 person sends $20 paper every year. that is wonderful. also today is a great day. and they do incredible work and this event involves sacrifices with time away and we appreciate what they did to be here. and excellent exhibitors this year i hope you managed to see all of them. i cannot list all of them but there were many in the exhibition hall and hopefully you carried away something from them that expand your knowledge about new history or something about culture you did not understand.
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they have owned this issue for 36 years they deserve a lot of credit for this conference. >> with a intensified attention sometimes that is the worst inclination with that fringe extremist and to harm millions of others. and it really puts it on corrupt practices off of the individuals. and that is a very good focus of opposition so it is easy to
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lump them into the first-year agenda with the military industrial complex but they also deserve their own spotlight at this point and it is a mistake to work on other things instead of challenging directly to file lawsuits we can do that we can call out politicians also. especially bureaucrats who have been captured with no qualifications whatsoever. so this focus is needed in the lobby that has an agenda that is harming the country more than ever before activists are gathered but some who are give me a great deal of hope and to address past wrongs exposing
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corruption to educate those who don't know about these issues and unbiased reporting. and the unpopular topics so your defiance is needed and your willingness to swallow carefully crafted narratives that come out is important. so you give me hope and you create hope, keep doing what you are doing. to say this one more time five years running the single most important part of this all-conference nothing to do with what happens appear but out there. you have a chance to meet people that you will not see back home. so i strongly recommend you
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get to know the speakers that make themselves available and really get to know each other and to unite under some common purposes so thank you for coming and let's have that reception. [applause] [inaudible conversations]
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[inaudible conversations] >> good afternoon. it is my pleasure not just to welcome all of you here but also jenna yellin.


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