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protocol for president johnson, who was married on bess able who was chief of staff for lady bi bird. >> this yearbook tv marks 20 years of bringing country top nounon fiction authors. >> former secretary of state john kerry discusses his life and career. he is interviewed by former congresswoman jane harman. afterwards a wokely interview program with relevant guest hosts interviewing top.
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jane: welcome john kerry. >> thank you. after rosh hashanah. jane: thank you, happy new year to all. this is only the 5776 new year for the jewish people that tells you manage that the journey has been long and continues. i would like to start there, you have written a very big book, which i have gone through, a found a lot in common with your journey. i would like to talk about the jewish new year first, a time of renewal and no question one of the frustrations of your journey as secretary of state, there was no happy ending there is no happy ending yet to two states for israel and palestine. you have a long chapter about that. i remember you telling me some
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time ago that you knew b b he was working in boston. >> we had cop coffee a couple of times. we have a nice conversation, i remember, i read about it in book, he said, if you are in a position to get things done, and i am, i think we could get great things done together, i hedg hun to that. jane: i remember as a member of your foreign policy advisory board, sitting at dinner one night in staip in state departme night, you had a map on a piece of paper, you were payin fashio- passionate about the fact if we could do these things we could get it done, i think those opportunity in additioing in tuo c-span would like to know.
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>> i am supportive of israel. many friends, so many friends for whom remains a passion. i took my first trip to israel with them. it was fantastic, a whole week. swimming in the dead sea and and i flew a plane over israel, just learned a lot about it, and cared about it. i am sad, i am sorry it was not possible to make the pieces come together. but, as i write in the book, the dynamics in israel, complicated right now. have you a government, majority of which said publicly that they don't believe in two states, no matter what the prime minister said. majority of cabinet does not believe -- they go further, say
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there will never be two states. how do you move the government when it requires a change of coalition or something. you know it is difficult. at the same time, the palestinians were not ready to move either. i think abbas had great problems politically. there is a ripeness in diplomacy, in politics and life. i think we can say. it was not right, you could bang your head gai against the wall t was not about to happen. but we did good things that made a difference, i got arab world to agree, to change arab peace initiative to embrace swaps, it of 1967 lines with swaps, that men we would have been ale to bring 90% of settlers into israel by annexing those
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particular communities. and that was a big step forward. i got them to accept before we left publicly that israel would be a. >> youjewish state, they would acknowledge it. that was a huge step forward. the critical countries came together publicly and said this is what we're going to do. that required guaranteeing israel's security, you had to have israel able to defend itself by itself. so we came up with ways we felt assuredly we could do that. bottom line there is road yet to travel, my hope and prayer always remains there will be
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peace. janeurpeace. jane: your efforts are heroic. st still policy there are two states, but some things have changed. it was an and u.s. policy that the capital. the capital of israel is jerusalem and our embassy should be there. we all voted, i did too as member of congress in mid 90s for that policy, the timing of up to president this president decided to make it now, he decided to move embassy. temporarily located where our consulate is it is. i would express my sadness that somebody who happens to be jewish, whose own family suffered in world war ii, but who made 25 trips to the region
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as a member of congress and 8 or 9 since that the lack of progress is really tragic both for those who live in israel and those who live, not a state where palestinian authority operates. i see overtime with the youth among arabs st would be hard for israel to remain character as a pluralist democracy. >> that is the dilemma. jane: today administration announced intention to close the plo was on the here, on a jewish holiday where many condition cat on things like that i feel sad we're not further. there will be an announcement of a administration plan, so i understand. not sure what is in the plan,
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but if what the plan is, is as you said, no two states, not now, not est ever. that does compromise a big principle that it was founded to be a home of the jewish people happening at same time. >> yes. a great challenge is that already today, as we sit here, population between the jordan river valley and mediterranean is not majority jewish, now. if you are a full fledged democracy, and people are citizens of one state, the issue is what happens if everyone votes? and has it maintained its character as a jewish state? we'll see what happens. i remain hopeful, always work hard for a fair piece that guarantees an end of conflict,
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an claims, provide for israel abill to have security guarantees by israel and others helping in the process. it is inevitable you need that like wietio wise that palestinin have a state viable and contiguous. that could be a key question if a state is offered, will it be viable and contigious. that is a serious question. but times have changed in the region, israel is finding that there are many countries there, which we work very hard to help encourage, who are willing to work on counterterrorism, regional security issues and other things. i put forward the idea that there really is a new regional security arrangement that could be made with all of the
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countries there. if people were to move down the road. but imagine, here you have remarkable sites of three faiths, if there were peace you could have extraordinary burst of energy, tourism would be unlike anything of the world. jane: absolutely. one of the frustrations that the leaders in the region have to' it the most. >> correct there, are serious challenges on palestinian side. no one should gloss over that. and i think that there are ways to begin to lay the ground work to deal with the issues. jane: i could not agree more, two countries to remind overtime step forward and made the steps for peace. those were our jordan an egypt,
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they still observe agreements they made it is tragic -- >> you are right, i write a chapter that tries to do justice, i am cand it in the chapter about things we might have done differently. but also, we're moments of opportunity were there and not seized. i'm an optimism, president obama accused me of being overly optimistic. but i am an optimistic. i believe my book is answer to bob woodward's book, his book lays out problems of washington today, this book and the journey tells the story of what you do about it how you manage to deal with these things that seem insurmount able as they did when we faced nixon breaking the law with an enemy's list, spying on
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people. taping them. firing archie cox, and carrying on a war we knew was wrong, you republicarun the list, then wat. though he carried 49 states within a year and a half, he was gone because people held him account able, that is what we need to do. jane: as i mentioned to you, our journeys overlapped, similar journey, same college year. you are much older. >> i was going to say you are were young ar younger than i. jane: both of us inspired by john kennedy, then robert kennedy. i knew ted kennedy whit quite wr -- quite well. and i am sure you know who died
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just last year. a huge mentor to me. >> a wonderful guy. jane: he was a senator, but, your idealism shines through the whole book, and how you get turned on to politics. you have a few unsuccessful moments, but that is a test. then you end up finally not just as lieutenant governor of massachusetts, but you en up as u.s. senator. you have an unsuccessful run for president. i remember it. i was in congress then. one story about that but then you were back in the senate. in a very senior role. senate foreign relation committee is a huge. you use it well then you go to
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administration to do your best to do 3 or 4 big things, one of which succeed when was big, i think iran deal. and paris climate. jane: another one, they are big deals. >> problem with, i have to say if i can switch. my last chapter in the book is called protecting the planet. it talks not just about what shaping with climate change but the -- in paris how we got chinese to get off their opposition, which is where they were prior, they would not do anything for years until finally they corporated and worked with us, that cooperation of two biggest economies on the planet is what created the momentum to go to paris and really be able to get paris done. the danger is as we sit here today, not only are we not close to holding the earth to the two
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degree -- centigrade rise of temperatures we were aiming for, but we're looking at 7 degrees, i have grandchildren, they are live through that. and what will -- you just have to stop and question. how a president of united states could willfully decide pull out of paris agreement without any facts, without any science, without knowledge of the issue, simply because he made a campaign promise, and there is an orthodoxy on his side of the fence that you don't like the agreement, how could human contribute to this. this is crazy, we are contributing, arctic last year for first time in recorded history in middle of winter, february, arctic of above freezing. we're seeing changes in the oceans and changing on land.
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fires, longer now, more of them. floods, bigger, more of them. longer rain periods, more moisture. are all of this is a result of the warming. and there are things we do about it, spes -- adopt sense inpolicy. jane: i think you did and do to reach for responsible politickings in both parties, wilson center has a arctic program. and now there is an ocean, not just an increase body of water but the arctic ocean qualifies as an ocean in the world, and global warming there is faster, i think twice as fast as the rest of the world, 8 countries bored or this ocean, this could be shipping channel between asia
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and europe. these countries that border it are cooperating to security issues and climate issues, including russia. and one party of this book is long chapter about your dealing with russia. some of them productive, some frust rating. and. >> syria is most trus trust raig -- rate u frustrating, i call it the open wound. to make it clear to russians we were trying to get a result that was shaped along the lines of this resolution we passed in united nations which would have allowed for an election created a participation by the opposition it would have really and brought about a global
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ceasefire for the country. the russians supported the resolution in name, but after a certain amount of time, they believed we were playing games with the hard-line opposition and we were not serious about going after extremism. we became caught in a argument rather than making progress. jane: tragedy of whole thing is, a death spiral for people who live there, and for future of what was once a really great country, i went -- i am sure you had a lot of visits, as a member of congress, i went on an intelligence committee to damascus. i met with assad. early in his tenure. but in assad case he had his father's cabinet.
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and the thought it, they would retire or die. then he would put in, in place different folks, well, totally wrong assumption. going today. so far as i read, there is bombing of iz. what of the clic -- are where d. >> given what russians and iranians and assad have decided to do, it's at least near massacre, god knows what it turns into. but, i would have hoped that wiser voices would have prevailed and wise ar wiser heas created a ceasefire, and work something out, get to the table.
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united nations frustrated by unwillingness of one of the players, not to play straight and to try to get something done, they intend to win at the end of a gun barrel, in the end that is not a winning as we have learned historically. jane: win what? what will there be? a failed state, and refugees hemorrhaging throughout the region. destabilizing our ally jordan, and lebanon and others. let's go back to something more hopeful, our mutual journey, we were boyki both -- inspired by kennedys, in our case an accidental meeting in my case, i grew up in los angeles, with my then boyfriend as a the kid within to democratic convention
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in 1960, i was on the floor when kennedy was nominated at president. i was an usher at l.a. coliseum, and my personal light bul bulb within off, this is what i wanted to do. i ran m my high school young democrats at college. at harvard law school, a research assistances to for abe who was active there bobby kennedy campaign, and in 1991, when a seat opened in congress where i grew up in los angeles. i moved back to california, ran for that congressional seat and won. so all of the same folks played some role in my own life.
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you describe in a really wonderful way how you got into this. it was not your family was not in politics, as mine was not. >> my dad -- >> you traveled world, and not that you had not seen a lot. >> mostly to europe. we called st the world back then. jane: but, you know talking about your earliest memory, you said to your family home in northern france. >> putting it in context. my grandfather was a business man. and he was working between france and england at the time as war growt broke out, he raisa big family, my grandfather had 11 kids, my mother is one of 11, in the middle, she lived 29 betn france and britain. in sussex.
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and they went and vacations in coast of the emerald coast britney, they fell in love with it my father bought a home for the learn kidthe -- learn kids n summer, when the war started they scattered, my grandmother was in london, my gan grandfatho the states to work in effort in washington, and kids in various places were they were deposited. our house was then taken over bitbythe germans, they used to s headquarters, my mother was working in paris as a nurse. she was taking care of refugees, coming out of germany and northern france. germans were marching toward paris she learned they were marching into paris, she got on
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her bicycle with her sister, her sister's new husband. and a friend, and they started biking south toward portugal, foraging across france to get there. and then so war ends with the bombing -- it did not end but part of the war in brittany with bombing and burning of this house, after the war, 194 search7, mymother wanted to rete house, i was walking with her, holding her hand, feeling glass crunch under my fight, i remember the sound, my mother was crying, i did not know why, i looked, i could see a chimney in the sky, a stair well. and opposite side of house that is it otherwise rubble. and it just made an impression on me. all of it. and then by grandfather decided
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after the war, to rebuild it. and it still there. it not built cost differently,ing all of us kids, take care of the house. jane: i didn't raise it as ancestral summer house, but as metaphor for the discuc destruct and level all of us are immigrants to this country. >> it said to me, you know, war tears families apart, destroys things around you. while there are reasons you have to fight a war occasion. that and i a a war we had to fight, thank god those brave young people were willing to storm the beaches in norma normi was amazed by that those beach, omaha and utah and so forth.
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they are incredible. it is a beautiful place, now a peaceful place, a great resting place for notion who died there and were buried there. american cemetery that is deeded american land, i write in the book about my wife teresa within with me at one time, we spent hours in afternoon taking it in, this guy in front of me an older guy was there i presume his wife, they were hugging pro profoundly, he got up, took off all his clothes, and got in the water and was bobbing in the water with the tide, likely of purifying himself, he there was to repay homage and touchy that day, that was a beautiful sight to see this. i read about that, and other
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pieces of it. -- write about that and other pieces of. i think it was so compelling their bravely and their sacrificing. jane: you write about your pride at after yale in the military, and training for vietnam mission and shipping off to vietnam. and then about how your views of the war changed while there and the deaths that tragic deaths of your buddy that you learned about as you headed in and death of the others, what changed you. but not only, that and that lead to a whole chapter as a war resist irand resister, i remembt generation, and how i think that scar is never fully healed, i am still a residence of my old district in los angeles, on venice beach, where my house is, we still have homeless vets from
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that era. where more recent vets too, but a tragedy that america sense them there, never welcome them home, i mention that in two ways, first the experience but healing that you and john mccain, a prisoner of warrer tortured there shared. >> a remarkable turn of events, jane, one that profound low affected me. happened while in senate was reconciliation and partnership we built. john and i remember flying to kuwait on a plane, we did not know each other well, but we were seated opposite of each other. senioseniority brought us toget, we have a conversation into the night talking about annal --
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annapolis and his grandfather and his time as a prisoner. and we pledged to each other that it -- the country was still too divided over the war. we thought we needed to try to found a way to not just make peace with them but at home. so we set out to get answers for families who were distraught over the fact that there was a strong belief that prisoners might still be alive. and people have been left there alive. and we have to answer those questions, as a matter of duty but also a matter of practicality. you could not begin to have a strategy. we worked at it, and we hearings. if was disgraceful what people did to john mccain, during that period, they called him manchurian candidate, he was
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looking for hard evidence. john wanted to look for the truth. we worked hard at it, rat one point he and i together. went to hanoi to work on getting information we talked to coin lescountless people, prisoners,d guards. and we within to history houses, we had team on the gu ground. we within to prisons, unannounced. went marching through the prison to see if there was any evidence that some caucasian or european or american whatever had been held in those prisons. in the en we int got consent, ad decision that found that there was now evidence that anyone was still alive.
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jane: that is a huge deal for the families. >> a huge deal we got 700 families in america.
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>> any nation any time of war to account for the pows. it is an extraordinary process. >> and an extraordinary tribute to you and john mccain. in my first term i received a call from a local constituent in my district who said he tried to fly the pow flag at a federal facility on a patriotic holiday and was told that was against the law only the post office can fly the flag and that set about the
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process to get the law changed that you can fly the pow mia flag on patriotic holidays at all government buildings. the designer of the flag is it my district and the signing pages that is intelligence reform. and with that intelligence estimate. but with the clinton administration. and there were others but so
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sitting right behind you. and rudy giuliani was on the left. and then my heart broke as his casket went by. it with the munich security conference at least ten times and continue to go there. >> how do we replace mccain quick. >> god and country will do that if it is doable. and if somebody spend that time in a prison camp then comes back and that was a
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gift. >> it was a gift. >> this book has so much more. you have done numerous appearances if there are things to say that you have not yet said about the efforts quick. >> and that a lot of people supported after the fact. and to be testifying on the day the administration decided to pull out. and that i might not have supported it then. >> that is the point. president trump pulled out
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without really i think adequately thinking through the consequences of what he has done. china and russia germany france and britain. they are all leaving long - - living by the agreement and donald trump is doing what he can to disrupt that. if that is the theory we are not very good at regime change. so if you did that i guarantee you will not have a jeffersonian democrat. you will have another ahmadinejad. and then to reclaim power because don't negotiate with
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america. you cannot trust america so donald trump is guarantee this generation of politicians cannot trust america. so if they are more trustworthy they can work out of the mess. so what would have been the smarter thing to do cracks get all of those countries i just listed china germany france and britain to give iran the ultimatum with their activities in syria and has a lot. and in iraq and then you are standing with these other countries legitimately stopping engagement in another country. and now if it was a conflict
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it is very questionable if they would be less than supportive. because we snub our nose and walk away. >> so to comments as i understand it as a scholar of nonproliferation but the hope was the deal was just about nukes. and with the criticism i'm not saying it's a deal but if it was permanent and in some ways it was but. >> that people that complain
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that they could go some point in time but what they never put on the table when you have 130 additional inspectors in tehran and television cameras tracing every bit of the centrifuge production and tracing the enrichment process. a 25 year limit of tracking from cradle to grave. with the something of the additional protocol that gives the right if we think there is a building that something suspicious is happening they have to lead us and if not in 28 days all the sanctions come bac back. >> you understand i am on the same side. >> but i'm trying to -underscore for those who are listening the degree to which
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we didn't know what they were doing so i was never vouching that they might have an aberrational leader but guess what? >> the breakout time that the minute you take the deal away it goes back a matter of months and that is a more dangerous place for israel and the community and that is why the security establishment supported the deal the top security people thought we should not get rid of it. it is very unfortunate because the national security should not be prisoner of politics. >> criticism stops at the water's edge. >> but let me say something about my book if i may.
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for the folks listening to this, my book is not a policy prescription or analysis by the secretary of state it is actually recounting stories and anecdotes of the old senate to the new senate what happened with richard nixon? >> when we made those voting issues to hold people accountable? >> this is the companion book to bob woodward as he lays out brilliantly but doesn't tell you what do you do cracks my book does tell you it's about citizenship and democracy and
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the journey a 40 or 50 years to do that but mostly making it work. >> feeling that you are in congress with vision for the future and bipartisanship and sadly who lost in a primary in his state and then that was lost to a democrat. >> that is why when you have gridlock and lack of accountability republican senators are not as worried as the general election as the primary. those are used as a leverage.
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>> a lot of people are worried about the challenge to the left i think i was in the center in many ways. >> but with defense and security and economic issues. back in the day when i was a blue dog with very moderate views on fiscal matters there we were now 15 going down in ten. so they lost the primaries and now there is another issue that we see in the massachusetts election the woman who beat that ten term congressman i have a feeling she is enormously impressive
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but we need younger new leadership. >> now i argue that you need experience. >> and you have to run the race in every district in that district. >> she works hard and was a terrific congresswoman and also they serve that district very very well he is a good man and this is what happens when democracy decides. >> but bipartisanship is very healthy but now it's a dirty word so you get primaries. who knew that is a word and that is really dangerous.
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and they stay in their corners. >> what i find disturbing as anything as i can think of i know you are in a nonpartisan position but i'm just stating a reality that in washington toda today, everybody knows for a year and a half with this in a long - - anonymous op-ed. it is now confirmed more and more more evidence comes out we are seeing the facts. but despite the degree to which the foreign leaders are perturbed meeting with the president does it mean anything? >> or the press secretary?
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>> they were subject to that particular meeting as they continue to attack the justice department with the idea you should not indict somebody during the election .-period that is not what justice is about. if you have a problem in washington, i think a lot of people in the house and senate are not looking at that oath with the institutions of our country the senate deserves more that are interested in party and the power of their position. >> article one of the constitution is the legislative branch designed to be a check on authority and
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article three is the federal court system. the checks and balances inherent in that has a big voice to restrain that there has been abuse before. and there were some questions about president nixon. where is congress? >> and a lot of people conclude it is more about getting reelected. we can argue pros and cons. >> i agree. it is an appropriate way what they intended with the congress. >> even with hamilton.
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>> a lot of these issues is not all new. everybody wonders how this administration fell out of the sky that both parties ignored allied of the anxiety doing that total transformation and the global economy. many people did not speak to come up with those ideas and the people felt ignored. >> it's more than that i think it is a fact the things that made a difference in people's lives to improve their live lives, was not the focus of the congress except when obama came in but look at the
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opposition and still opposes it. what did trump try to do cracks and obama care. it is the complete opposite of what people need and want in the country you have the crash of 2008 people had big mortgages on a home if they are lucky enough to have a job to pay it off. working harder, working more in many cases less to take a second or third job to make ends meet. and and those that walk off with those massive tax cuts are those benefits for the lobbying system a serious corruption right and left and
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center are in touch with and they are angry for the system for not responding. to the tea party to the hostile takeover by donald trump. and we still have our own battle so i don't find any mystery at all except to the degree that people are ignoring the reality. >> i agree with that. but the tragedy is focusing on congress the business model is if you work with the other side you are bipartisan and that makes you cannon fodder. we have a few minutes left.
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>> you want to ask me about the title of my book? >>. >> i do. but we should explain it and that optimism that underlies it. >> i make clear in the book with the afterword that talks about how to make the difference the title every day is extra comes from a bunch of guys who came back with me who survived and felt you could not totally explain why this guy made it and this guy didn't it was an obligation a lot of people dead. so that way to feel that sense
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that every day is extra if somebody passed away, you know life is fragile. so if you adopt the right spiri spirit, it gives y to live a life of purpose. i write there are a lot worse things in life than losing a debate or election. but the worst is to do nothing and to show indifference i believe in public citizenship comes from my mother and my dad and i still believe in it
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after all these years. but every problem that we face all the problems on the planet are created. yes they are god-given like the storm although we are adding to the problem with hurricanes because of climate but we can solve these problems if we really want to and shut the door don't let anybody out. we can put new energy in this country there are countless numbers of things we can do we are just not choosing. >> there is a guy who had the same fiery passion.
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you and i were on an airplane to los angeles in 2011. i will tell you why i know the year i pulled you aside to say i have been offered the job of president and ceo of the wilson center. i am ambivalent i would like to appoint my constituents i am thrilled and what is your view? >> it has been a great decision eight years in to run and institution dedicated to the nonpartisan serious scholarship leading to actionable policy ideas so you
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spoke there and 2161 of your last days as secretary of state. i appreciate that. think you very much. so with those think tanks what do you think especially now? >>. >> they are an essential ingredient of our democracy a key check and balance on those who are not choosing to think think tanks are very valuable because the case is such you don't have your time for those to present to you that idea and i find the contribution, aei
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that they are so important actually aei is now taboo because of the orthodoxy is some ideology. so everybody is suffering for what is happening right now so what we need to do is restore our democracy to geo to get peoo focus on the fact every individual really makes a difference in that endeavor it's not what they can do by themselves but you have massive participation 54 .-point two are the number of eligible voters in the last
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election but with george bush it was 60 .-point 4 percent the year obama elected it was 62 .-point 3 percent. look at the difference. you have got to come out and vote and much more than 60 percent looking as the election observer and i have been stunned by the numbers of people who come out for the first time in 50 years they wait all day in the hot sun and then they vote at 70 or 80 or 90 percent eligible.
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>> and the journey of someone and that is to be applauded on a thoughtful and serious and fascinating book. congratulations so far. this is personal to me with the journey that we have shared. >> thank you very much. you are doing great work.
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>> bob woodward, thanks for joining us on c-span. >> thank you good >> how would you characterize the current functioning of the white house? >> well as i say, it's a nervous breakdown. the system is now working. there is lots of warfare, lot of disagreement about some basic national security obligations in some theory of how the economy

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