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you and i were both at the mccain funeral. it was an interesting thing. rudy giuliani was on his left.
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figure that whole grouping, just random. but my heart broke when his casket went by. when i think about his role, i have long experience with him with trips to the munich security conference at least we 10 times and continue to go there and no one executive committee of that conference but how do you replace mccain? >> god and country will do it if it is doable. it is not up to us. there are a lot of good americans. i will never spent 5 years in a prison camp like he did and turns around and comes back and forgives and works in that manner. that was a gift. >> host: i think it was a gift and we should all just focus on that. this book has so much more. iran.
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you have done numerous appearances and talked about it at length but i wonder if there are things to say that you have not yet said that this audience would like to hear about efforts on iran which i supported. winter was implemented i know i was testifying on a day the administration pulled out and most members of the house foreign affairs committee where i was, might not have supported then but i supported now. >> that is the point. donald trump pulled out of that without adequately thinking through the consequences of what he has done. china, russia, germany, france, britain and iran are all living by the agreement, they are all keeping it.
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they want to keep it and donald trump is trying to do the best he can to disrupt that. why? they have a theory of regime change. if that is the theory, we are not very good at regime change. we don't do this well. number 2, if you did have it, i guarantee you you are not going to have a jeffersonian democrat, you will have another, they said don't negotiate with america. you can't trust america and what donald trump has done his guarantees this generation of politicians can't trust america. people who are more trustworthy, working out of this nest, they will not sit with him.
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what is the smarter thing to do? stay in the deal and get all those countries i just listed, get china, russia, germany, france and britain to come together with all the countries in the middle east and give iran the opportunities in yemen, syria with has bola, activities against israel, and standing with these other countries legitimately stopping terrorism, arms, weapons, transfers, engagement in another country. having pulled away from all those countries. if there were to be a crisis and go to a conflict it is questionable whether they are with us whether you get a un resolution if you need it. and not a way to approach
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foreign policy, period. it is dangerous. it is really dangerous. >> host: as i understand it, a scholar of non-proliferation center, and and the deal was just about news. there was a legitimate criticism, would have been a better deal, would have been a better deal if it had been permanent. >> guest: people complain that there was a chance to go at some point in time after they proved it but what they never put on the table when they say they will do that is the fact that we have 130 additional inspectors in terror on,
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television cameras tracing every bit of the centrifuge production, tracing everything they are doing in terms of enrichment process, a 25 year limit from cradle-to-grave, every ounce of uranium and their subject for something called the additional protocol, if we think there is a building, something suspicious is happening, they have to let us in, all the sanctions -- >> host: i'm on the same side but -- >> guest: for people who are listening, i am trying to underscore, never vouching. that iran might not in whatever period of time have an aberrational leader that wants to coming and say i'm going to break out but the breakout time
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for the next few years, the minute you take the deal away it goes back down for a matter of months and that is more dangerous place for israel and the community and that is why the x security establishment supported deal. the top security people thought they shouldn't get rid of it. that is what it is and very unfortunate american national security should not be the prisoner of politics. >> host: it used to be criticism stops at the water's edge which has fallen off. >> guest: can i say something about my book? for folks listening to this, my book is not a policy tome or policy analysis by a secretary of state, this book is
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recounting with stories, anecdotes, insights from the old senate to the new senate. what happened with richard nixon? how did we get the things we got when we made issues voting issues so that we hold people accountable? this book is the counter book, the companion book, bob woodward's book because bob wins out brilliantly all the things happening in washington, doesn't tell you, what do you do? my book does tell you what we do. it is about citizenship, democracy, how you make democracy work and it shows the journey of 40, 50 years, and mostly being able to make it work and be accountable.
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>> host: it is about feeling that you are in congress to solve problems. it is about a vision for the future, bipartisanship and you mention dick lugar who was and is a prince and sadly lost in a primary in his state to somebody on the far right and -- >> host: which is one of the reasons we have today gridlock and lack of accountability in the senate. a lot of republican senators not as worried about the general election as they are terrified about the primary. the primaries are used as leverage. >> host: it happened in the democratic party too to be fair. a lot of people worried about a challenge from the left, the center -- not just people in the center. in defense, security and
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economic issues, back in the day when i was a blue dog in the house, people with moderate views on fiscal matters we didn't agree on other matters, now there are 15, and most of the people in the center have lost their primaries and have left and now there's another issue we are seeing in the massachusetts election. the woman who beat the ten term congressman, i used to work for you and i have a feeling she is enormously impressive but one of her arguments was against -- we need younger new leadership to represent the district so that is coming up. >> we need experience. >> she is experienced.
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you got to race in every district in that district, the way you run it. you know that better than anybody. don't pick some template and she works hard and is a terrific congresswoman and i know -- mike 10 serve very well, he's a good man and this is what happens when our democracy decides to remake itself a bit. >> host: which is healthy but bipartisanship is healthy and it is a dirty word. if you are bipartisan and you talk to the other side, you get primary to and that is a word. in most places that is really dangerous so people don't do it. they stay in their corners and lob grenades. wikipedia >> guest: what is disturbing to
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me, i know you're in a nonpartisan position etc. but i'm not really speaking partisan we, just stating reality. in washington today, everybody knows what has been thrown around in this anonymous op-ed. what happened is now being confirmed more and more, people believed guilty to one thing or another, more evidence comes out, people are seeing the facts. despite the degree to which this city and foreign leaders are deeply perturbed by what they are seeing in washington, they wonder does it mean anything, the defense secretary will countermand or somebody will steal a paper off a desk that was subject to the subject of that particular meeting or the president continue to attack the justice department
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in a way that applauds the idea you shouldn't indict somebody during an election period because it will affect the outcome. that is not what justice is in america. put it all together you have a problem in washington. and i think a lot of people in the house and senate are not living the oath they took about upholding the constitution in defending the institutions of our country. the senate deserves more than people who are more interested in party, protecting the president and the power of their position. >> host: article i of the constitution is the legislative branch which was designed to be a check on abusive executive authority which is article ii, and article iii is the federal court system. the checks and balances inherent in that have not ever been smooth but congress has had a big voice in restraining
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executive abuse. you mentioned the nixon administration but there has been abuse before. there were questions about presidents since president nixon. let's leave that. where is congress? wears congress's voice? sadly a lot of people think it is more about getting reelected than being a check to things. we can argue pro and con, but some people feel strongly are abusive. >> i agree. that is very appropriate way to put focus on the founding fathers and what they intended. >> hamilton, one of the great -- >> i love it. >> a lot of these issues in a brilliant musical score come up then. this is all new. one other thing. everybody wonders how this administration happened, did it fall out of the sky? i don't think it fell out of
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the sky. both parties ignored a lot of the anxiety the middle of the country having to do with total transformation of work and the global economy. that includes the democratic party. most, many people didn't speak the problem and didn't come up with good ideas. there was stuff around but -- people felt ignored. i think -- >> guest: it is more than feeling ignored. it is the fact that the things that made a difference to people's lives, that would have improved their lives, were not the focus of the congress. when president obama came in he tried to put healthcare in place for everybody but look what the opposition was to and the party that opposed it and still opposes it. what has donald trump in trying to do? end obamacare, throw people off of healthcare. it is the complete opposite of
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what people need and want in the country. and workers working harder, you have the crash of 2008, people had big mortgages on a home. all of a sudden the home is worth half of what was before. if they are lucky enough to have a job to pay it off. you have people working harder, working more, earning less in many cases, taking a second or third job to earn enough to make ends meet and the richest people in the country walking off with massive tax cuts and or benefits that they can afford to pay through the lobbying system in america. there is an insidious corruption loose in the country that right and left and center are in touch with and they are angry that the systems are not responding. you know this better than anybody. he went from the gingrich revolution in 1990s to the tea
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party to the freedom caucus to the hostile takeover of the republican party by donald trump. on our side we have our own battle. we are still playing it out. i don't find any mystery in this at all except the degree to which people who are smart allegedly are ignoring the reality and not working together to address them. >> host: i agree with that and the tragedy focusing on congress, the business model is broken. the business model is blame the other side for not solving the problem. if you work with the other side to solve the problem, you are bipartisan and that makes you can and fodder in the primary. we have a few minutes left. maybe we can go there. >> guest: you want to talk about the title of my book. >> host: yes, now i do. i do understand what it is but you should explain it and i want to talk about the optimism
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underlying that. >> guest: i'm an optimist and i make that clear in the book. and afterward really talks about how we can make the difference and change things. the title comes from bunch of guys who survived, "every day is extra," who felt you couldn't explain why this guy made it and that guy didn't and you feel a sense of obligation. it is a gift. >> host: you knew some of those guys, you started with your buddy. >> guest: you don't have to go to war to feel a sense that "every day is extra". you could have fought cancer. somebody in your family died or passed away or had a tough battle, you know that life is fragile. you know that. the point is if you adopt the
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right spirit about it, it gives you a sense of obligation. a sense of duty to live a life of purpose. as i write in the end, a little paragraph, authors note, i write that there are a lot worse things in life than losing a debate or losing an election. the worst thing would be to do nothing and to show indifference to some kind of problem that is around you. i believe in public systems and it comes from my mother, my dad, my family to some degree and after all these years, every problem we face can be traced back and a lot of other people, certainly president kennedy. all the problems on the planet are created by human beings.
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do we have problems that are god-given? yes. a hurricane or whatever. we are adding to the problem of hurricanes because of climate, but we can solve these problems if we want to. if we bring the g 20 together, shut the door, in the green climate fund, we could put the energy in the country so they don't have to build coal-fired power plants. there are countless numbers of things we could do on education, rebuilding america, not choosing to do this. >> host: here is a guy with the same fire and passion and one thing before we wrap up. you and i were on an airplane to los angeles in 2011. i took you aside and said john,
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i have been offered the job of president and ceo succeeding lee hamilton, former member of congress and chairman of the foreign affairs committee for a long time while i was here. i ambivalent, been elected to my ninth term, i disappoint my constituents or throw letters. what is your view? and it has been a great decision eight years in to run an institution dedicated to nonpartisan serious scholarship leading to actionable policy ideas which is the frame for woodrow wilson. you spoke there, in 2016 or earlier on your last days as secretary of state and appreciate it very much and we had a conversation about trade but i wonder what you think of
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the value added by a number of think tanks. you spoke at carnegie today, especially now. >> guest: they are and in sensual ingredient of our democracy. they are a key check and balance if you will on those who aren't choosing to think. think tanks are very valuable. if you're in public life, the pace is such that you don't have the time to do your own research or dive into something. you need people to present you with an idea and give you sources and tell you what to read and i find contribution of brookings or carnegie international, they are so important, all of them. aei came up with a couple ideas we tried to implement which now
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has become taboo. they were born in the aei and on the holy orthodoxy or some ideology, everybody is suffering for what is happening right now, right, left, and center. what we need to do is restore our democracy. really, reinvigorate our democracy. get people to focus on the fact that every individual really makes a difference in that endeavor. it is not something someone else can do by themselves. you've got to have massive participation. 54.2, that is the number of eligible voters who voted in the last election, 54.2% of eligible voters, the year iran in 2004 with george bush, it was 60.4%. the year president obama was elected in 2008 it was 62.3%.
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the point i and making is look at the difference. you have got to come out, you've got to vote, much more than 60%, 70%. i have been to countries as an observer, election observer. you have probably done that. i have been stunned by the numbers of people who come out to vote sometimes for the first time in 50 years and it is the biggest thing in their lives and they wait all day in the hot sun to get a little purple stamp of ink on their thumb and they vote, 70%, 80%, 90% eligible. >> host: you are as passionate now about public ideas and the journey of someone adding value as you are as a young man and that is to be applauded. congratulations on a thoughtful, serious and fascinating book.
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wikipedia >> guest: funny too. >> host: on the journey we have shared and i hope we will continue to share. >> guest: i love working with you, thank you. >> if you would like to view other "after words" programs go to our website,, type "after words" into the search bar and all previous episodes will be available. >> tonight booktv in primetime features a look at bestsellers, new yorker staff writer jill lepore on her book these truths, one volume history of the united states.
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booktv starting at 8:00 pm eastern on c-span2. >> here is a look at our live coverage friday on c-span at 11:00 eastern. white house trade advisor peter navarro talks about economic policy - the security at the center for strategic and international studies. ahead of veterans day, va secretary robert wilkie speaks at the national press club about priorities for his department. housing and urban development victory ben carson talks to conservatives at a conference hosted by the americans foundation. c-span 2, monetary policy and financial regulation live from the brookings institution at 9:00 eastern. in the afternoon a preview of


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