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thoughts another u.s. can strengthen its national security. he's interviewed by ambassador paula dobriansky come former undersecretary of state for global affairs in the george w. bush administration. >> host: welcome. we really delighted to have you here today and congratulations on your book. this is fantastic. "why we fight", and i also hear and understand that in addition to your other accomplishments, that you also have a new wine in the queue that you with a new host in fact, of america first on radio seven network. am i correct in saying that? >> guest: absolutely. it's the newest national radio show, the same network from california to d.c. i guess i become a culture warrior finally. if i had a dollar for every time someone would say you need to
read a show, now i do. >> host: fantastic. what about your twitter? should we stick that in? >> guest: yes. just gorka on twitter. we have a brand-new website that goes with the radio program and that's also -- has archived materials. follow me. >> host: great. look, "why we fight." why did you write the book? >> guest: the important thing is not just what i wrote the book but also i think the subtitle that it owed to my publisher margie at regnery really is a genius in these things. i came into the white house think you are going to work at issues because those might maintain, al-qaeda so forth then it became a general kind of
those o'reilly called me the utility infielder of national security and the white house. and then i realized once you have the clearances, once you read the classified reports, terrorism in addition we will manage that we will suppress it but the are other threats on a wanted to give a recount to americans who are interested of what the strategic challenges are that we face today from china, north korea to russia, to all of the nonstate actors as well. lastly, the subtitle is a key think i got from -- i defined "defeating america's enemies - with no apologies" which is this course is reference for the last eight years under president obama. when we had an ideologically driven foreign policy that really saw america as a problem. let's not forget the last commander-in-chief almost began his presidency by traveling the world on the so-called apology to her from cairo nols saying whatever the issue is, what is
poverty, terrorism, we are the problem and as such he built a national security strategy that in case the highest level of u.s. government, the concept of leading from behind, and strategic patience which meant a withdrawing of america from the international stage. and as such i do like vladimir putin exploited that vacuum with the invasion of the ukraine to we saw isis grow from a little franchise range of al-qaeda into the most successful modern insurgency. this book is about reasserting american leadership, and proud of our judeo-christian heritage, giving a strategic of the of the threats we face of what donald trump is think about them because as his former strategist i have a little bit of perspective on that. lastly, to re-instill and americans their pride for who we are of the greatest nation on gods earth with four stories. i call these my heroes vignette, people have given their all for
this country back to stephen, after the fan letter to whittaker chambers to remind people that yes, this is a a ad this is what people have done for this country. >> host: we're going to get to the policy side of your book, but you mentioned the story. i want to tackle first a little bit about your own personal story and that of your heritage, your parents but we are going to get into those heroes because it's very striking the way you we then their stories into also the policies insights that you're you are putting forth in the book. it was a very special part, a memorable part of the book. let's start with this. your first chapter focuses on what it means to be a freedom fighter. your father who you really tele story of in the book about your father. please tell us what does it mean to be a freedom fighter and also
sent an and bit about your fat, the impact your father, your parents had on you and your own worldview. >> guest: i'm a product of my parents. my parents were children in world war ii when hungary was taken over first but a pop pupt nazi regime and then occupied. they lived through that oppression. my father actually a stated, protected his whole jewish classmates on the way to school to make sure there were not abused by the occupational nazi forces. and then as a 15-year-old hit great hope for his country we heard a great man had sat down at yalta and promised democracy and freedom for the occupied countries of central europe like hungry. but as -- you would know better than anybody given your career and your expertise those hopes were dashed by 1948 when he became 18. the nazis, the fascists had been
replaced with a stalinist is regime that was the soviet union of the kremlin. and as as a patriot, as a man o believed in the judeo-christian values of his country, he decided to resist but not with a gun or a bomb. in college he started a secret christian underground association that would spy on the soviets, collect sensitive information about how they were stealing the national treasures of hungry, how they were reneging on the requirements of the treaty and smuggle the information out to the west. so the some democratic country could use it against moscow. at the did. for eight months they successfully did that. they had a courier, but, unfortunately, they found a nation who was interest in the flesh. it was the uk and it was mi-6 agency of the uk. and the reports into the planet
on the desk of none other than tim philby. kim philby who, if you're a history buff, was one of the five deadliest traders to the west we've ever seen, so-called cambridge apostles who were recruited by the soviets, who penetrated the highest echelons of the british establishment intelligence committee, the foreign and commonwealth office, and kim philby collected these reports until the coded in five every single person i was in my fathers group and he portrayed into moscow to the hungarian secret police. as a result at the age of 20 my father was arrested, tortured in the basement of the secret police headquarters in budapest, subjected to a show trial and give it a life sentence at the age of 20. he spent two years in solitary, two years in the present coal mines and was eventually liberated and the glorious 11 days a freedom that was the hungarian revolution of 1956.
with a 17-year-old daughter of a fellow political prisoner, my father and this girl susan literally crawled across a minefield into free austria and eventually settled in uk and that is where i was born and raised. that in my family background, and there's a moment i described in the book where i knew very little of this as a child. i grew up speaking hungarian. there was a moment, a moment to get sometimes than most in your life changes. my parents used to take me to france on holidays. my father who was an amazing athlete, he loved to swing. he comes out of the ocean. i ate or nine years old. i see these white lines on his wrist. he's far too young to be wrinkled and i said to him, dad, what's that?
without linking with no emotion he just said, that's where the secret police bound my wrists together with wire behind my back so they could hang me from the student of the torture chamber. that changes your outlook, and that such, from a very early age i understood that freedom is as fragile as it is precious. sooner or later the great ronald reagan was always correct when he said sooner or later the loss of liberty is always but one generation away, whether it's nazis in world war ii, whether it's the soviets of the cold war, whether it's jihadist. they are all connected, all totalitarians. the worship different focal points of their ideology, but we always have to be prepared for the next totalitarian, and that's another reason why i open the book with that story. >> host: i have to say it was very gripping and very memorable
in terms of the description and have impacted your life and how you began that way entrants of what does it mean to be a freedom fighter, and used the example of your father in the context. you go on and you argue the most important ingredient for victory is a will to win. that is greater than your enemy. i mean, that to me was really one of the dramatic underpinnings of the book. he basically say that all too often we forget this eternal truth. please, for our viewership, talk about this because this is a crucial aspect of why we fight trade is perhaps the most important facet of any conflict. this isn't sebastian gorka. this is some to come to an half millennia ago. this is the master of western
strategic thought. there's a reason why some, for example, says the ultimate victory is to win without fighting. what does that mean? is that an oxymoron? no. it means your will is so great that you communicate your will to win is so powerful that you adversely say we're just not going to even try to take this person on. you psych out the opposition. there's a a reason why he uses some very symbolic images in his writing on wall when he says war is about to make human beings. they can be to make people playing cards with each other or can be two men wrestling. but at the end of the day it's about one site imposing its will on other. the point is a very simple one. we are the most powerful nation the world has ever seen any measure. but never used economy under donald trump is the largest it has ever been. we're now exporting energy which
is incredible. we're not just a superpower. i agree with the french authors as we are a hyperpower. we have no peer competitors even look at the classic measurements of state power. so what? doesn't mean we can defeat whoever we want? with the best soldiers, the best marines, the best technology and training. okay, let's look at vietnam. let's look at afghanistan. in the first six years of the war most effective tool used against us and afghanistan was what? and iud. not exactly high tech. it's an artillery share with wire sticking out of it. the idea that we could have a serious problem with people who are using pre-modern technology to fight us tells you what you need to know. if you have the will to win at all costs, then it sometimes neutralizes the technological advantage, the financial
advantage. adversary may have. this book is as much about the will to win. i think we currently have a commander-in-chief who still mistreating fat amply trim we get to that more in-depth but i want to take the viewership through pieces, because, of your book, because there are very focused pieces. you referred to history. you look at a number of these threats and why we fight and why it matters. and on this issue about ideas, let me go to another area that you really focus on that is interrelated and very much connected to the battle of ideas. you also mentioned that quote, without an american of heroes ready to fight and win, that our faith basically will fall into the hands of totalitarian regime. let's talk about the issue, the fight against terrorism in this regard. i do want to go to some of the heroes and their stories, how it is interrelated.
you have already referenced the issue of the kind of challenge and threats that the united states is facing. we have assets, , but where do ideas come into play in terms of the fight against terrorism? >> guest: they are center, absolutely central. the threats we face are always couched as the other side in terms of an ideology. again, whether it's fascist, commons, whether it's iran, the mullahs, i suspect that set up a framework in which they justify their strategies. for hitler it was what? it was his fascist ideology of the said we going to plant a minority, blame the jews, they are undermining germany. they must exterminate them all and it will be great again. the commonest there was the capitalist, the people exploiting the working class trip . we must have global revolution
to create this workers paradise. for the jihadists it's their interpretation of the religion that this is being on religion. people miss this peer when a terrorist we've just seen in uk, it doesn't mean all is great. it is allah is greatest. he is greater than any of the it is a supremacist ideology. i feel i'm embarrassed that i'm sitting here with you, paula, an accord to about the cold war. if anybody knows the role of ideas, when did we start to understand the cold war and x essential threat posed to us? you can mark it on a diary. it's when george kennan writes a 14 page classified long telegram to washington when they say, when washington says to them, look, what's up with uncle joe? we thought he was a friend. then dismantling been steeped in russian history and also the ideas of the soviet revolution
sits down and explain to to everybody. this is a system that posits that it's ideology, socialism, cannot peacefully coexist with democracies. as such it is only logical that for them they must insulate or destroy anybody who is not a socialist. at that point because of the explication of the ideas of the enemy, finally the truman administration understood this is an exigency threat. we get to nsc 68 68 and win a d strategy in response to the threat. it's like a doctor. if you can't diagnose the ailment, you will not be able to heal that person. diagnosing and ailment in conflict begins with understanding your enemy and what they believe. >> host: significantly in the book you will document everything that you mentioned but you also dive deep into the reagan administration, of which i was part of and had the
privilege of serving on the national security council staff at a very, very striking moment in history. you document how the ideology shifted from the whole thesis of containment to roll back. what do you think it's the best way forward? hasn't there been a kind of complacency internationally? i'm not speaking of the united states but internationally, some argue that some in europe have taken the position that we are in a post cold war and yes are challenges, but you know we have our structures, we have our institution. is there a complacency? how can we went in the battle of ideas? >> guest: this is this is a onr show, am i correct? [laughing] a four hour answer. absolutely. complacency, arrogance and lack of expertise. i talked a lot to my friends left in the uk, few people
understand the importance of ideas for ideology or totalitarian ideology? they have nothing to do with government. they don't work for ten downing st. they have no way to ship the strategic culture of that nation. here with the john bolton we finally have somebody who understands who is right at the top of the system inside the national security council, h. r. mcmaster didn't. he wanted tanks, big footprints across afghanistan. so yes, let me try and explain what the challenge here is. fukuyama could never been more wrong if you tried. it's a parody -- it's quite a parody that the 1990 was shaped by -- told mike unitas was a debate between huntington, the clash of civilization, and fukuyama. huntington was misrepresented most cases. he didn't say the class clash of
civilizations. the books that ideology is dead. it's irrelevant. democracy has one in the future of mankind is going to be fine tuning the graphic equalizer of market democracies. it's a marxist argument. it's a totally materialistic argument that goes back to the ideas of hagel and the dialectic. the idea and neoconservative, the dialectic trap toles ideology is irrelevant. ask the mole is, ask the suffering under the regime of north korea with ideology instead. of course ideology is what motivates people. ideology you transferred from the original french word means a set of beliefs that informs action. we are not beliefs point of the relevant. yes, we have been in a malaise.
i think less of a america was truly strategic was under u.n. administration when we work for president reagan. that's when we understood this. now finally after january 20, 2017, we have an administration that thinks and acts strategically. i think the national security strategy that was penned by nadia shop lowe is the first and the staff since the reagan administration that deserves can use the adjective strategic. you are right, we were in, we were looking for the snooze button for about 30 years. >> host: by the way, , i must, on the national security strategy. truly it is strategic. it's well articulated and doctor shad low that it really -- >> guest: a great job. >> host: let me go to another something that you have that is again remotes interrelated the opening comments.
you argue that we need to address are fighting system to deal with the resurgence of the older more traditional types of conflict. and then at the same time you argue the need for maintaining our readiness. you also point out how information and technology have changed the very practice of how the public response to war is even talked about. explain this. also i want to we been, because you have those wonderful vignettes of these heroes. you have after this particular section in the book, you have stephen decatur. it's truly phenomenal in terms of his story, being the youngest captain ever, and just what he did. so please we've that story into your response to my question. >> guest: before i can do the white house i had a company and i get 20,000 miles a month
traveling for military base to military base. the one shot i used to always got the greatest the tension in the and elsewhere was from an article about mapping the last 200 years of warfare. the . the something of universal pennsylvania called the war project that is collected key data on everywhere since napoleon. we applied a taxonomy and took those wars and separate them into conventional wars where nation fight each other like world war i, and wars in which it was an unconventional, a nonstate actor, an insurgent or terrorist group. we found something stunning. in the last 200 years, 80% of all conflicts in the world has been unconventional. less than 20% was the kind of thing we think of when we say world war ii, tanks fighting tanks, dogfights with jet fighters. 80% of all warfare is when were
fighting a nonstate actor. and, of course, for us this should not be a surprise. i'm not talk about vietnam for the taliban. i'm talking about the founding of our country. we were born in irregular warfare. the colonials running around sniping of redcoats. that's irregular warfare. not only that, stephen decatur, there is a reason the marine corps anthem has the line the shores of tripoli in it. and it isn't because the devil dogs like to go on holiday inn africa purpose because what of the first ever covert missions of this nation was when 20 marines traveled with ships into the north african arena to recapture a vessel, the uss philadelphia that even taken the barbary pirates and the kingdom of tripoli. because with the navy after we were founded, our ships were pray for the barbary pirates who
or what, muslim, jihadist. for years with the pay tribute. americans since were captured and asleep until a man named thomas jefferson becomes the commander-in-chief and he said we're not attribute or nation. we'll take back our ship and he deployed a tiny flotilla with his 24-year-old young officer, and use the men who, under disguise, leads this band of marines into the shores of tripoli come into the harbor to recapture the uss philadelphia. he couldn't recapture it so he scuttled it and as result of that brief action which is recognized by the pope as the greatest act of any nation in weston solution of recent times, thomas jefferson made him to the state the youngest ever naval captain in u.s. history. the whole point of this, beyond heroes, point the finger great heroes, is to illustrate our work with the jihadist movement did not begin on september 11 on the first world trade center attack on the uss cole.
our war with jihadist is almost as old as the republic itself. >> host: it's amazing. and the way you roll that story and in the message that it said. we also go to, we have discussed a bit also, which is a recurring theme in the book about how quote, work isn't just just about guns and bombs when ideas kill. that was one of the important messages. you mentioned -- peppered throughout her and how he is correct that all war is a battle of wits. you also point out that propaganda matters. here is the cold war, we touched upon that. but what is a winning strategy? and weaving and propaganda. describe that. what do you think is a winning
strategy? >> guest: i don't want to sound like a broken record but i grew up under margaret thatcher and ronald reagan. for me there is a petri dish test case of how you do it correctly. and that is the active measure s working group from the reagan administration. it's one of the examples of, i truly believe in small is beautiful. giant bureaucracies, another interagency committee, no. you have a small band to people who have the support of the president who are crossed between the nsc, the staff is on the hill, intelligence community, voice of america if they come together. what do they do? they create an empty which is going to shine a bright light on the lives of the enemies. one of the best examples is, it's still an urban legend that the united states, fort dietrich created aids and it was used to target ethnic minorities. this is out there in the
conspiracy theory domain. this goes back to the active measures working group. there was this idea that america is using biological warfare against my in other words. what did the active measures working group do? they traced that story back to an african journalist who was the first person ever to focus idea that aids is artificial. then they went in and talked to this journalist. what did they find out? they asked him what his source was picky said oh, i was at a reception and a soviet diplomat gave me that information. it's propaganda. that is the essence of propaganda, shaping the information private. that's what they did. you have to delegitimize the purveyor of the lies and show their lives for what they are with regard -- i said for years now, with the global jihadist movement we have to work with
our arab and muslim allies, primarily the jordanians and egyptians to do what? to help them undermine the ideology of global jihadist him. because we can kill as many jihadist as you like. the deputy director of operations in the pentagon told me a few years ago, if i know where a high-value target is and i've the secretary of defense or residential spina, we can kill him in 72 hours wherever he is in the world. we can reach out with an alpha team, with the jsoc, with a uav and we will kill him. great. but what happens if the day after you drone that person, toward the young jihadist to replace him? eurojust greater a cycle. i describe it as exquisite whack-a-mole. if you want to win, you do it on tuesday. also in a victory of our ideas the ideology of becoming a jihadi is no longer sexy. it's a longer attractive when it
doesn't act as a magnet for young men and women around the world and i can only be done with counter propaganda. >> host: you also cite in this section another hero. this hero is lewis testee fuller. i understand use only american only american awarded the u.s. army distinguished service cross and navy cross five times. .. >> there's a reason why the cadence is elsewhere, so call out his name, this is a man who tried with permission to join the army of the age of 16 or 17, finally, he enrolled in vmi,
when he was 18, multiple, multiple engagements as a corporal overseas but the story i tell in the book is the story of [indiscernible] a battle most people had never heard of but was absolutely crucial to the island hopping strategy we used in the pacific theatre. henderson field was a small airfield that we had captured, and it was a unit that he was commanding of the marines that was securing the space, with no organic reserves, no capacity to reinforce them organically from the core and in a battle that lasted three days in which the japanese not only bombed this field, not only shelled the field from the sea but also launched literal waves of combat tance against the marines this is the commander who never swayed in his capacity to keep
his men's morale high. he made sure, the small things. making sure that they were clean shaven, making sure that any man who wanted to have a service, a catholic protestant service what have you to keep morale high was allowed access to that chaplin, and as such i think the figures i record two-and-a-half thousand japanese killed with maybe two dozen marines injured or killed. this is just the example of how leadership at a tactical level can have a strategic effect and how one airfield in the asia pacific turned around the war for us, in a way that is un imaginable in terms of the over technology way that we look at war today. it's an attempt to illustrate the importance of leadership. >> host: excellent. you also, in one of the chapters , you really focus quite a bit on what do you need to
know about war. >> guest: right. >> host: you do mention the nature, you have to know about the nature of our enemies, what are the long term objectives, what are the specific threats to the united states at home or a broad, and do we have the right tools to keep our nation safe? >> guest: yes. >> host: let's dive deep into that. this is a crucial part also of your book because of course there's strategy but there are also these basics that you need to have in order to define your strategy. >> guest: let me start by quoting my old professor at harvard. he has a superb lecture where he talks about this committee that he was asked to attend, and graham allison was part of this group looking at the national interest of the united states, and after their final meeting this body had lifted 103 vital national interest of america, and as graham says in his
lecturing when you've got 103 vital interests you have none and he's absolutely right. being strategic means prior think disaigz. the first thing you have to do is know the enemy but the first part of that quote did not say if you want to win, know your enemy. no, he said if you know your enemy you'll win half your battles. if you wish to win all your battles you must know yourself and why you are fighting as well as know the enemy. people for some reason forget that, and this is why we have the strategic malaise of the last 20-25 years because we haven't really looked at what we are and what is important to us. let me illustrate this with one thing, afghanistan. when we deployed to afghanistan in october of 2001 there was one strategic mission and one alone. it wasn't building hospitals. it wasn't rebuilding the ring road around kabul that not even
the soviets haven't managed to finish. one reason alone. that piece of real estate in central asia must never ever again be used to launch mass casualty attacks against americans on u.s. soil, period, and the first mission we had of cia militaries was absolutely stunning on conventional warfare because with 300 guys on donkeys with realtime laptop targeting equipment, we leveraged more than 20,000 northern alliance, not only to take out the al qaeda training facilities but also eventually to take down the taliban, so this is followed by what? 17 years where we're going to turn this country into function ing represented democracy, it's going to have economic growth, there's going to be freedom of liberty for women and minorities and with that understanding that's not our strategic goal. why does afghanistan matter to
america? my parents lived under dictator ship. i want everybody to be free. i want women to go to school. i want music not to be illegal as it was under the taliban but at the end of the day, strategy is unemotional and afghan afghanistan must never again be used as a launching pad for mass casualty attacks against u.s. citizens. this is what we lost. it's that capacity to think and act strategically not to make what we've seen in the national security strategies of the last 20 years which is what a laundry list. we're going to do everything. we're going to make sure the ice caps don't melt and have two wars at the same time. no, to be strategic, you must know who you are and what you're fighting for and on that point, if i may, the most important speech the president has given to date is the war source speech there is a reason, we requested the government not hold that speech in some fancy protocol
building downtown. we wanted the president of the united states to stand next to the statue of the uprising and send a signal to the people around the world, this is who we are, and that speech is about one thing. america is back and we are proud of our judeo-christian heritage and we will told shoulder to shoulder, be it poland, israel, anybody else. the homework always begins at home. >> host: by the way, graham allison is also my professor at harvard, and i'm not surprised by the clearing of thought and i had not heard that one, but -- >> guest: it's a great video. >> host: it's wonderful and secondly, i happened to be there in warsaw when president trump went over that speech and it was quite riveting and the messages were extremely clear. you well document in the book the whole case of afghanistan,
and as you've just articulated it here, today. one of your third heros comes up in this context, and this one is eugene red mcdaniel an american hero who never gave in. >> guest: yeah, this is the chapter, i've had grown men tell me this is the chapter that makes them cry, and i'm not surprised. i've net captain mcdaniel, i was honored to meet him three years ago. this is somebody whose not well known. he sent me his autobiography called "scars and stripes" and it's an incredible tale. this is a man who had flown dozens of missions over vietnam and he was shortly before being able to be shipped back home, and he gets shot down in what is called white knuckle ally on his last mission. seriously injured, captured by the locals.
eugene red mcdaniel spent six and a half years in the hanoi hilton and his story is remarkable because this is a man who had his parents were share croppers and he had a rather simplistic unsophisticated phase but in the hanoi hilton he truly found the meaning of faith, the identity of his create or and he finally understood the message of the new testament in terms of the meaningfulness of suffering, when he was lying there with his shoulder out of his socket, separating sores on his legs, constantly being interrogated and they brought in another down ed pilot who was even worse off than him and he suddenly realized, it's not about me. it's about helping my fellow american and he basically became the minister inside the hanoi hilton to his fellow americans, he held bible study from what he could remember from his time back in the united
states, and the remarkable story is that he helped develop the covert communication system for the prisoners. they had a system of tapping out on a grid a kind of morse code because the most important thing is to know that your fellow man is on the other side of that wall, i'm not alone. that's what kept people alive. and a group of inmates from the hanoi hilton attempted to escape which he was not a part of but after it was foiled, he was interrogated and this man, eugene red mcdaniel, in order to save his fellow men who he knew would die if they were interrogated because of the state they were in he took the responsibility upon himself and he said the breakout plan was his and he took their suffering on to himself just as our lorde did and it's a remarkable story and the great ending to the story, eventually he's reunited with his wife and children and what do they do, put him back in
uniform, give him own ship to command and eugene red mcdaniel serves again in the u.s. navy so these are the true heros of this great nation, and there's a moment from his biography where he said the one thing i never doubted was my country or my mission. >> host: amazing story, really amazing story. let's go now to the present, in a sense of the trump adminitration and applying the very purpose of the book, the messages that you articulate throughout and really looking at where the administration is on why we fight, what it means, and you referred to earlier the national security strategy document. in that document it articulates very clearly that we have geo political competitors. it cites china, it cites russia. there's also well articulated the whole issue of global jihadi
sm. >> guest: right. >> host: so let's take what you said and apply it to the what's happening? what is the administration doing in these different areas and applying it practically. >> guest: well i think the easiest way to one may be very familiar to you, a piece through strength is our first velocity or the white house's flow any and the second one that i applied when i was in the white house all the time was an accident that we had three very senior marines in the administration as chief of staff , as chairman of the joint chiefs, and as secretary of defense, and interestingly, they weren't just three marines that come from the same division in the marine corps, and that division has a very telling moto , and that is no better friend, no worsen eany, and i've said that could be it for the trump adminitration, american leadership is back, if you wish to be our friend we will stand by you and if you're our enemy,
watch out and when it comes to the threats i list in the book or the nfs, i'll be very clear here. we can deal with all the threats we face with relative ease. we can contain iran, north korea seems to be going the right direction. russia is not a strategic threat it is a what i call an anti- status quo actor that wants to destabilize as many parts of the world to its own benefit but if you look at the demos demography this is a country that is losing 600,000 people a year, are dying in russia more than are being born. they are in a tailspin with the policy this is a one horse town that runs on what? gas and oil exports. they are not a super power as was the soviet union. they can seriously destabilize things but they're not a super power. as such, there is one strategic
level threat we face and that's china and china, your viewers don't have to take my word for it, you don't need the clearance go to your favorite search engine and just type in one belt one road. one belt one road is the chinese communist parties vowed strategic plan to displace america by the 100th anniversary of the chinese communist revolution for 2049 and to become the world's most powerful power and they are doing it with all in sturements of national power revitalizing their military, building these military bases in the south china sea using economic warfare from afghanistan, they own the largest copper mine in the world , which is in afghanistan now belongs to the chinese state whether it's in africa with rare earth minerals or espionage in the u.s. costing us billions of dollars every day, or go back to political warfare, go back to propaganda, the so-called institutes across the country,
that are propagating a fundamentally anti-western, anti -judeo-christian ideology to people. the good news is the president had a certain attitude to china when he came in and said that money is there so let them invest. we gave him four top secret briefings on what china is really doing in america and he very rapidly came around and he now understands and that's why we have the tariffs and the 303 investigation. the commander-in-chief understands the threat to america and he's dealing with it >> host: in this section you bring in whitaker chambers. and as you cite you said the one man against the world. tell briefly his story and how that relates to literally this whole theme of why we win. >> guest: i couldn't know it at the time when i wrote it because i'm not it but whitaker
chambers inclusion has a lot to do with politics today especially because of the kavanaugh hearings. whitaker chambers wrote the book "witness" truly life changing book and he was the man who had been a soviet agent before world war ii, he was the career that took a classified information from assets from america and smuggle it to the soviet union. he was the middle man for here in the east coast. during world war ii, after stall ing got in bed with hitler, he saw the light and said how can this system that i so adore now work with hitler and he left the communist party, he went underground, he feared for his life, took his family with him but he kept all the documentation of his work for the soviet union. after the war ended, he had found jesus, he found a lot for this country and he said i have a duty to help the trupan
administration know the moles inside the u.s. government and the elites on the east coast , and nobody was interested the white house wasn't interest ed, the fbi wasn't interested until he found a certain congressman called richard nixon on capitol hill who was very interested and as such, whitaker chambers became the money who testified for the first time ever in live hearings of its sort on capitol hill, where he said i am a former communist, i know the agents of influence and one is that man over there, who had been at the alter one of the highest members of the u.s. administration who was a darling in all of the right foundations, writing all of the right articles, was of course, he denied it, and he was championed by the left, and because he was so adored by the democrats, what did they do to
whitaker chambers? they accused him of everything under the sun. they accused him of being an homosexual, an alcoholic, they accused him for being responsible for his brother's death. what did he do? he never gave up. he stood there and he said despite him actually believing the soviet union would eventually destroy us, he had kind of a dark expectation of the future. he thought we'd lost our will to fight. he said i don't care what it costs me. i'm going to tell the truth. so if you're surprised at what happened to judge kavanaugh, don't be, because we've seen this come from the left since 1948-1950 this has been going on for half a century and the part about whitaker chambers is perjuring himself but in the 1980s when the intercepts of intelligence finally
declassified what did we found? we found the conclusive proof that was in fact an agent of the kremlin. just one example of the human fortitude that some have to stand up to the truth, whatever it costs them personally. >> host: by the way, thank you , during this interview. i'm delighted that we could take a bit of time and go through those four heros that you cite in the book, because i found it truly most interesting, not only because you connect them to the points that you tried to get across but also just their stories in and of themselves they're just very rich and very moving. one of the things coming back to the current administration, one of the things you pose is the question of is america safe? >> guest: yes. >> host: so, is america safe? what's our paradigm now? >> guest: metrics matter. metrics really really matter.
there are obvious metrics. we haven't had a mass casualty attack on u.s. soil in the last 18 years. that must be notched up, but on other metrics, we've seen china grow at such a great, thanks in large part to a very disturbing trend happening right now, especially in silicon valley. the idea that google not only decided to build its first world class artificial intelligence facility in china. google, the most powerful information management platform we have ever seen, irrelevant by comparison, google is now assisting the communist regime in beijing, in censoring information from its own people. this administration is not about regime changes. it's not a neo-conservative administration but we understand
as reagan did that our foreign policy must be informed by a moral compass. we don't invade our countries to change them into versions of "our bodies, ourselves", but if their founding of 1776 if the declaration of independence is to mean something then there must be moral content to our foreign policy so there are very strategic threats left. china today, why this is declassified? how is it that in the midwest we pick up a chinese agent in a cornfield from a plantation? why? acorn plantation? because it's genetically modified corn that has been developed by an american company at the cost of millions baby billion maybe billions and china was arrested and prosecuted was stealing samples of that intellectual property to take back to china reverse-engineer it. how many americans know that we have chinese agents running
around farms in america stealing intellectual property? so on the one hand we are safer and i'll say one thing on the terrorist threat if i may, a personal request. there is no frontline in the war today. when it comes to global jihadism , the idea the frontline is 8,000 miles away in some hind u, no, the frontline is when you leave your house in the morning whether you're going to a christmas party, or whether you're going to a nightclub in florida, the frontline is when you leave the door of your home every morning so all americans need to be slightly more aware, as law enforcement professionals say, have your head on a swivel, because you could be the person who spots the next threat and you could save some lives if you tell the authorities when you see something suspicious. >> host: we have time for two more questions. >> guest: yes? >> host: we've really covered a lot of ground and really hit upon a hot of your points convey
ed in the book. >> guest: i have to say it's delightful to meet somebody who interviews who has read the book , it's not always the case. >> host: i think that's important to read the book, [laughter] you know, we began with i asked you what was your message. now with our viewership, as we can almost conclude the interview, what message do you want to convey to the viewership >> guest: it's very simple. very simple. there is only one nation in human history that was ever founded on the principle of individual liberty of freedom and that is our nation. every other nation is an accident of history, based upon a dynastic royalty, an ethnic group, some kind of local war. no. here, we are based on the principle that we are all made in god's image and that is where our innate human dignity comes from. there's a reason the word create with a capitol c is in our
founding documents so number one , this is the greatest nation on god's earth. we are different and we need to return to what ronald regan called us, which is the shining city on the hill, and my second message is finally, after eight years of self-loathing, self- hatred and blaming america for the ills of the world, under president donald j. trump we are finally returning to that place for the shining city on the hill >> host: by the way i still have one last question. by the way, here with our viewer ship, again your tweets, your twitter account, and also the fact that you're going to be on the radio family network every day as a host, but your tweet? >> guest: my twitter handle is very easy. i'm monday through friday, 3:00- 6:00 across the nation, eastern time on the salem radio network and you can listen to us
24/7, on my new website which is sebgorka.com, and the show is called "america first." >> host: good just in case they missed it on the front end. my final question to you, we began with your father and as i said to you i was very moved by reading that section. i knew some pieces about your background but it was very very moving. i was also moved by just your own inspirational words about you, and at the very end of the book, you talk about how you felt coming into the white house and your own story. let's conclude on that note just say a few words about what that meant to you, because it certainly also jumped out at me, if i may say, i felt it was great privilege during my tenure when i worked on the nfc staff, and during the reagan administration and there's nothing like it. it's undescribable. share that with our viewership. >> guest: well, i met
candidate trump in the summer of 2015 when i get a call from his then campaign manager saying we have a big republican debate and mr. trump would like to meet with you so i flew to new york and sat down in mr. trump's office then with corey lewandowski in the corner and he was closer to me than you are and we had this 40 minute blue sky wide range discussion on national security from the civil war up to isis, nuclear weapons it was clear this man has a great interest in these issues, and in classic trumpian style, half way through the conversation, he stopped and looked at corey and said "i like this guy, let's hire him." it's classic trump so i became an advisor on the outside to candidate trump and got to know his team, got to know mike flynn and then my wife and i were invited on to the official transition team before the election, i worked in the nfc branch, my wife worked in the dhs branch and then i worked
on counter-terrorism issues the week of the inauguration, steve bannon says you're coming to work with me in the office of the chief strategist and then the day after the inauguration i say it's a saturday but i'm now a government employee so i went to the white house in an unmarked van driven by a young black female army driver, arrive at the eeob, the eisenhower building, get my blue pass, walk into west wing that is empty at 8:00 a.m. the day after the inauguration, and i asked the secret service uniformed agent at the door, so where are i allowed to go and she said well you've got a blue badge, wherever you want. there's me, a legal immigrant in the united states working in the white house, only in america paula. >> host: dr. sebastian gorka, thank you so much for coming, his book is "why we feet, deceiving america's enemies with
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