tv Craig Huey The Deep State CSPAN September 14, 2019 12:00pm-12:31pm EDT
>> the book is called "the deep state: 15 surprising dangers you should know". craig huey is the author. how do you define deep state. >> guest: the deep state is not what most people consider the government and government bureaucrats. it is greater than that. the deep state, many say there is no deep state. i believe there is and historically we find from the
beginning of the government there has been a deep state. in my book i go into where the word came from, the early 1900s in turkey. the deep state are bureaucrats, the infrastructure that continues no matter what the administration is. in the united states i talk about the deep state, government employees, how it has been different in the past. here is the thing. i also talk about collusion, nongovernment entities in support of the government bureaucracy, the deep state. >> host: let's start with the government bureaucracy as you call it. isn't it important to have a nonpartisan civil servant? >> ideally if you are taking a
civics class in college that is what you would think it would be. the whole idea is to create people, 1.8 million people in the federal government and their state government and local government and a lot of different employees but the 1.8 million in the federal government you would hope are really efficient, the managers are efficient, they understand what to do to get things done, they are hard-working, they know how to solve problems. yet when you take a close look at government people are shocked and horrified, most people can relate to the dmv. you walk in there and there is your bureaucracy as you wait in line and finding people closing windows as you are ready to be served. you find headlines because of how ineffective, and efficient
the bureaucrats at that hospitals have been. you can go on about the water structure, so many different things that the ideas of efficiency and bureaucracy are not compatible words. a different type of thinking. what has happened is we want to have people in government who are hard-working, and effective and efficient administrators but what happened is we set up a structure that number one, has people and accountable. you hardly know if somebody is doing their job or not and if you discover they are not doing their job in today's bureaucracy they can't be fired. we see the most commonly talked about in public schools where there is opinion and in efficient teachers and they
can't be fired. or you have a teacher doing harm to the kids and they are still paid to be set aside in a room by themselves. government bureaucracy by its nature tries to hide it self. i normally talk like this. the number one purpose of government bureaucracy is to protect itself. protect itself from knowledge of what they are doing, protect itself from criticism, protect its budget. the number 2 part of the bureaucracy, how to grow and justify our existence and grow the bureaucracy and that in and of itself our problems and if you had a nonpolitical governmental group, you could
still work on how to make it more efficient. there is a third factor, the third factor is politicization of the bureaucracy and that has happened in recent years. with president obama, when he came in, one of the things, i go to washington dc, have meetings in dc and one of the things i noticed right away from 2009 on, when i went to a restaurant, wherever i would go. i would go to a meeting, people in a 20s had been hired, they were not managers, they were unqualified to run a department or be part of an infrastructure, part of the bureau but they were hired and they were hired because they had an ideological agreement with president obama and the
bureaucracy became ideological, that their idea was not to simply democrats won or republicans won, but let's transform society and so they had big government, the mentality of collectiveism that government was the answer. there god was the government and the government was going to make a better society. that is a deep belief system that they have a purpose and when the shock came that donald trump had become president, unlike in the past, the way the structure of the federal bureaucracy is, many of these bureaucrats stayed in power and
staying in power enabled them to be able to subvert policies of donald trump's to be able to leak stories that would be harmful to donald trump, to be able to resist what was going on by the president, his cabinet members that he brought in. you had a war, absolute war going on in any of the bureaucracies. it is estimated one third of those bureaucrats were ideologically driven to resist what was going on and that is going on today. so unlike in the past where it was mainly there to do a good job, i am there to help transform society. if someone is going to resist that transformation i am going to oppose them.
that is where you have videos coming out of people that during the day when they are paid to be a bureaucrat, are actively participating in marches or working to undermine the trump administration. >> host: is this unique in your view to the obama appointees burrowing into the bureaucracy? >> guest: we unique in this respect. when ronald reagan became president, he brought in many many free-market libertarian oriented conservatives into the administration, into the powers but you did not have a situation where there was the protection so when the next administration came in you had a changeover. so with george bush and clinton
you were able to have a changeover, bush you had a changeover but now because it is so impossible to fire someone and there are so many protections obama has put into place, protection of the bureaucrats they stayed in power. out of 8000 people in executive services, there are 8000 people who are key players in hiring and firing and making policy decisions that are actively resistant at the highest level of these bureaucracies. >> host: what are the roots in turkey of the deep state? >> guest: government bureaucracies and many of the leaders discovered they had to be able to move about policy regardless what was happening
at the top so you could see in turkey all kinds of politics going on. a lot of turmoil going on. a lot of instability going on. the bureaucracy in turkey was able to keep stability within the infrastructure. to be able to do what is necessary for the infrastructure and to be able to protect the people, the companies that had favor within the infrastructure. that is where the private collusion comes into play with the deep state and that is what makes this so unusual with donald trump, as an unexpected president, one who beat the system all the way through where he didn't have lobbyists,
didn't have, the wealthy donors behind him, he did not have to worry about being obedient and having favor and doing special favors for these private groups and normally that collusion goes on and trump just has list a firestorm, just incredible disconnect between what has been in the past and what is today. >> host: is he being successful in your view? >> guest: when i take a look at donald trump's policies and what he has implemented, his deregulation, has been incredible, it has been huge. businesses throughout the united states have been able to
expand, build more jobs, increase wages like never before. the deregulation has been trump's number one accomplishment. many would say the supreme court, that is very close but then take a look at tax policies and other things. when i look at these policies and what he has done he has been successful there but he has bypassed his state department and the infrastructure of the state department. he bypassed the epa. the epa, official reports condemning their own president's policies. the cabinet members policies. going back to this one third quantity of them within the infrastructure at battle, at war, resisting the is going on. has he been successful? yes. is he as successful as he could have been?
now. >> host: what do you do for a living? >> guest: i have two hats. i have several companies. i'm an entrepreneur, my marketing expertise is known worldwide by books i have written and speeches i give and winner of 90 awards in marketing and advertising areas. we do advanced marketing in politics and my other hat is in the hat of politics so i am very active in the political round. >> in which state? >> i concentrate in california so i operate nationwide. >> you ran for office. >> i did run for office. it is really what brought my marketing expertise to an understanding of what was
happening politically. i did and impossible run for an office. it was a 20 point democratic district and i was running as a republican, jane harman, republicans have taken over congress, she had basically lost any influence so she resigned, she resigned december so there's a race going on. i get these phone calls from several people that they say you need to run. i said i never thought about running, nobody knows who i am, why would i run and i decided to take the risk. it was a great experience. the most bloodied, nastiest thing i have ever seen in my life. couldn't believe how bad politics could get but it was eye-opening because here's what
happened iran in a district, i am an expert in marketing. i will use my marketing expertise and try to win this election. i was doing that and as i did it i was running against the secretary of state who everybody thought would be number one or two and janice hahn in california, the councilwoman and the mayor, a bunch of candidates with name recognition and our election day i almost beat the number one person, janice on. i beat all the rest. i came out of nowhere. the press everywhere was coming at me saying who is this guy, how did he come out of nowhere. and all of a sudden obama got into the campaign, nancy pelosi got into the campaign, a
variety of people nationwide got into this one congressional campaign and i was kind of surprised, the polls were showing i might win. i should have been a massive loser by 30,000 votes. i go to the store and someone is like craig, i hear you are more of a socialist than a capitalist. i go where did you hear that? i go to church, craig, i heard you are for abortion, not against abortion. where did you hear that? i couldn't figure out why these people, people knocking on the door with this information about me. we couldn't figure out what was going on. the election comes. i lose by a couple thousand votes. if i changed a couple thousand
votes i would have won. kind of a soccer. the day after the election, the la times reports president obama was absolutely shocked by the loss of 2010. he got together the best minds of facebook and google and microsoft, got together a team of people who developed an incredible marketing machine, the most advanced marketing machine ever put together by anybody running for president. he put this thing together and gathered the data on what people believed, and divided it between how to get republicans not to vote and to get democrats out to vote and how to persuade the persuadables and he knew what their top issues were. he did advanced digital
marketing, what now would be legal on facebook and a variety of different things. the new york times reported, 400,000 plus phone calls my consultants would say those are just quick little calls. they were intense calls of 10 or 15 minutes of data. he had people all over the united states, thousands of people the la times reported that he put together for this campaign. and we lost. what i did is started studying what he did and said oh my gosh, this is better than what we do for our own clients. this is the most advanced data monitoring, the most advanced digital marketing, the most advanced -- what he has done is transform politics. we were the test case, 2012, romney didn't know what hit him. a complete wipeout. so i learned from that.
what is interesting in bringing that story up to date, along comes to thousand 16 and donald trump when he was running his campaign was in such disarray, unorganized. at the last minute, pulled together, the most advanced digital campaign. hillary clinton was relying on all the geniuses from 2012 of marketing changes in the blink of an eye. and four years, what was good that is not good now, marketing changes quick. they were doing the old marketing of 2012-2016, trump was doing the most modern
advanced marketing in those key states and he mobilized the church vote by using those techniques like lever before, the church vote came out and he was able to bring in people would normally vote democrat and identify them. hillary lost because she was not using the most advanced marketing. >> is the deep state defeatable? >> the deep state is something those people who oppose collectiveism and wants it to be limited constitutional government, to see a smaller government, believe individual freedom, downsizing and have to take place on the federal and
state level, the infrastructure, the bureaucracy is to protect itself, keep growing and stop. trump is trying to figure it out, the bureau of land management, they are ready to move out of washington dc because you can't fire them. he can move them out and to get them out of the swamp and into colorado or wherever it might be. that is the only way to break this deep state bureaucracy. >> host: examples in your book, number one, fema. >> guest: fema is a horrific example, people are hurt by the failure of fema.
you have a slow-moving bureaucracy, they have good hearts, they want to help but i tied down by regulation, by structures and rules, slow to act. they are reactive, not proactive. when a hurricane happens, what happens with fema? they are the last people to come in. is the first? the churches on the ground, the volunteer groups coming in immediately. the problem with fema is they want to stop these people from coming in, rules and regulations that would harm them from coming in, instead of making an alliance with them. under the trump administration, he wants to encourage the volunteer independent sector, the churches to be involved because they are the first ones to help and the major help
people have. my wife went to houston and fema was just nowhere. she is down there with other groups, tearing down walls, gutting houses, dependent groups are the backbone of america. when he wrote democracy in america in the 1830s, that is what he saw. he looked around from his experience in france and europe, never saw anything like it. he saw the deep state basically of all these different governments that people rely on the government to be able to provide resources and services. he looked at america, people helping people and they did a better job than any bureaucrat because they know what the situation is on a one on one
basis. >> host: example number 2, the wealth of the washington area. >> guest: the bloated salaries of the bureaucracy is a sweetheart deal between the insurance they have ending comes of a couple hundred thousand dollars a year they are getting that the average person doesn't get. one of the things that breaks my heart is a business owner is i take a look and see people wanting to get into business. the business is the engine of innovation, the incredible economic growth we are seeing in america, you got new ways to help people live better and what you have with the government is they stifle that. with those type of agencies.
>> host: example number 3, your own experience with the so-called deep state. >> guest: i had many experiences with different regulatory agencies where i have seen my clients who face a government lawyer who thinks they are doing something wrong and there might be a small infraction, a difference of opinion but they use unlimited time and a limited money to get them. my own personal experience is when i was starting off in business a government bureaucrat came into my office. i had an examination six different times, take a look at my books and they saw nothing wrong with what i was doing. this one government bureaucrat says you should separate hobby
from art on an invoice because it is an ad agency. and because you didn't separate that, the whole bill has to be kept and it was like what? you never told me this before. that doesn't matter or that doesn't make sense. this one portion, not 90% of the bill. doesn't matter. i can't go back to the client and get that money. i went to the appeal process, the bureaucrat looks me in the face and i said this is not fair. i paid all my taxes but this one is just the wrong way of doing it. there is no thought here. he says it doesn't matter. if you can't pay your tax bill, you don't deserve to be in business. his attitude was i got to get
that money, doesn't matter if it is right or wrong, doesn't matter if it is going to put you out of business or not, i've got to have that money. that is the kind of mentality. when people have these government positions and powers that are excessive and you see it with the fbi and department of defense and all these different things, the power, they become abusive. right now so many of these agencies, so many of these government employees are abusing the power because they can. >> host: you self published "the deep state: 15 surprising dangers you should know". yq >> guest: i have an ad agency and as an ad agency i can make more money selling the book myself because i know how to market it. this is my third book. i've two more coming out. it is a better way for me to make a sale.
>> host: where is it available? >> guest: it is available on amazon, kindle and they can get it at deep email@example.com. >> host: thanks for being on booktv. >> here is a look at some authors who have appeared recently on booktv's "after words" with our weekly interview program that includes best selling books and guest interviewers was last week american university professor argued america must choose to be antiracist and work towards building a more equitable society. author and political panelist michelle melton offers thoughts on us immigration policy. this weekend on "after words" journalist ben westhalf tellabs in china manufacture fentanyl. >> it was created in the late 1950s by 1000 chemists and he
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