tv Campaign 2020 Business Insider Debate with Bill Weld Joe Walsh CSPAN September 28, 2019 12:05am-1:29am EDT
,. >> good evening and welcome to business insider 2029 mary debate, i'm a politics insider. >> i am lynette lopez a columnist of business insider. will hear from two insiders former massachusetts governor and former illinois congressman joe walsh. thank you. >> business insider is committed both to consider perspectives that do not fit red or blue boxes, tonight's debate the
candidates will answer questions on economic, climate, foreign policy and divide. we want to know how the candidates differ from the president and why they think they can do a better job. >> president trump did not respond to our invitation to this event. and governor had a scheduling conflict. here are the rules, each candidate will have 60 seconds to speak when working is by moderator, they may also get an additional 30 seconds for follow-up. time will be deducted if the rules are not respected. >> congressman walsh you are start. >> thank you everybody who came, business insider, thank you. governor it is an honor to stand on the stag stage with you. the president of the united states will be impeached very, very soon. the president of the united states will deserve to be impeached very, very soon. let's cut through all the craziness.
we will spend the next hour, hour and a half as anthony and lynette said talking about really important issues climate change, trade, what's going on at the border, but let's be clear, this is about trump, this is about the guy in the white house. i would not be standing in front of you, i would not be standing next to governor bill wild if donald trump was not present, he is a danger to this country, he cannot put anybody else interest ahead of his own. i am not debating the weld, i have all the respect in the world for bill weld, he knows the problem, it's an unfit president in the white house who took a divided country -- >> that is your time. >> with to bring the country together. >> thank you, congressman. >> governor. >> thanks business insider and panelist moderator and it's a
great thing that you are doing, my name is bill weld and i'm running for president of the united states as a republican, what you need to know since i'm running for president. i think all you need to know about me i'm a very relaxed, person and like the congressman, i am comfortable in my own skin unlike certain other people. i am not scared of anybody, i was at the criminal division of the justice department, more to the point i don't think anyone else should be scared of anybody. i am a great believer in releasing the energy of everybody in the policy and giving them a stake in the enterprise overture democratic institution. it's no secret that the president is seeking to divide us and it is really hateful. so my promise, if you elect me as your president, you never again have to feel exhausted or tired on account of your government in washington that is supposed to be serving you. >> thank you governor.
[applause] gentlemen, not much to talk about. except about two hours ago nancy pelosi announced she would begin impeachment proceedings against the president of the united states for the fourth time in history of republic. >> governor i will start with you. give a message for mitch mcconnell who seems to be the largest impediment to a smooth impeachment proceeding? >> i've a message for him specifically, i worked on the nixon impeachment years ago and it took the house eight, ten months to get through the investigation before they even got ready to go to the senate. and when impeachment is voted by the house and goes to the senate the house of points six prosecutors to handle it and then make the rules. mitch mcconnell does not make the rules, so those people who think as soon as it goes to the senate he can call and get the
criminal ran through, that is not true. if the house and the senate take as long as they did then this thing would not be over until after the election. meanwhile cold hard facts, trump's enemies, cold hard facts from evidence under oath will have been hammered out in the proceedings and i think it's a nightmare for donald trump and he has no way of stopping it before the election. >> congressman to mitch mcconnell. >> mitch mcconnell and all the republicans, how disappointing because governor walton i will say a bunch of things about the president for the next hour and a half and i guarantee you most republicans on capitol hill deal exactly what we say publicly. this president, you read them will report five months ago, and you understand that this president obstructed justice, he
ordered other people to lie, it was clear when you read the mueller report that this president believes he is above the law. i don't give a damn what party you are, no party should put up with that, this ukrainian thing, this is just the cherry on top. is it any surprise that donald trump picked up the phone two months ago, called the president of ukraine and said i will not give you this aid unless you dig up dirt on joe biden. it is not as a price, donald trump told us three months ago, he would take dirt from a foreign government. he deserves to be impeached and everybody should keep their boots on top of the republicans so they follow the constitution. >> that is time but the next question is about the ukraine issue and the fact the republican party has been silent about it so far. how should the market people feel about that? >> they ought to be upset. it is hard to be disappointed in donald trump anymore. this is not a surprise.
but again these republicans, i would date congress eight, 19 years ago, the republicans claim in the rule of law, they believe in limited government, and a restrained executive, the republican party establishment, i want to be careful what i say, i'm not lynette talking about republican party voters, but the establishment, they are a cult, they have abandoned everything that they believe in to worship the sky every single day. that should offend all of us. by the way the republican brand under this president is horrible. so i don't know why you defend him. they should not. >> governor, you called this ukraine business pro treason. supple. >> i think ukraine by the president is a combination of treason bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors. the one thing absolutely clear is it's grounds for removal of office, university president of the united states essentially
selling the results of an american presidential election in which he is a candidate in reading in his favor against another candidate corruptly. the end of them will report makes it very plain that inactivity the president takes, this president to benefit himself or his family politically or financially is a corrupt action. and suspending the aid and immediately calling the president insane, do this to kill biting, and meanwhile $400 million is no longer there as of three or four days before the call, how stupid are we supposed to be, how stupid is the president of ukraine supposed to be, he knows what mr. trump is saying to him and it's a legal. >> for the record can i jump in, i have all the respect in the world for my friend here, but i do not want trump hung for treason, i will him impeached. >> we will talk about hanging some other time.
>> we are going to move on to the next question. this is a family show. okay, to everyone who has read or watched inside her before, it's no secret that i am highly critical of the president but you guys are republicans and he is the head of your party and he has delivered on republican light cutting taxes. so, i'll put this to governor, are you not concern the running against the president could hand the white house to elizabeth warren? >> i think first of all o as covenantor i've never met a tax cut and never liked. i got them 21 times and never raise them. it could've been more equitable but this president is not a fiscal conservative, he is no
long with between belly deficits every year. i was ranked the most conservative governor in the united states and those governor of massachusetts after three terms of michael. so that took some doing. we simply cannot sit still for this guy who is a disgrace to the office, almost every day as a congressman said, he commits some deed or some word that makes it clear beyond any doubt that he is unfit for the office of president of the united states. i wrote the book for what was grounds for impeachment of the president of the united states. every day the president transgressions that line. so we cannot worry about the general election, just the duty staring us in the face. >> thank you governor. congressman, think about it, president bernie sanders. >> i have been asked this question a bunch, is joe walsh going to weaken donald trump if he challenges him in a primary? hell yes. that is the point.
i want to weaken him. i would like to beat him, i'm sure governor feels the same way. i do not want him to be our nominee. i am a conservative, you know that, i agree with bernie sanders on that many issues. there may be a few more issues i agree on with elizabeth warren. but we have everything, we have everything, our founding fathers feared, i don't care how old or young you are, and the white house right now, that's a hell of a lot more important than a tax cut for somebody like me. >> thank you. now on to specifics of the trip of ministration. many republicans have. the ri present didn't say regulatory push around the environment. the heritage foundation says trump administration roback has
saved the country $33 billion in regulatory funds. let's hear from the president talking about that two weeks a ago. >> working with republicans in congress, we slashed 30000 pages of regulations from the federal government. government will no longer try to micromanage every rain puddle in every drainage ditch on privately and. >> governor, isn't that something republican should be excited? >> no, the regulations that the president has rolled back i regulations dear to my heart to protect clean air and clean water and i'm a lifelong environmentalist and at the republican party has a rich tradition in conserving our environment and theater roosevelt for the national park service which goes back to abraham lincoln, the clean water
act and clean air act were enacted when used president of the united states, mr. trump is tossing out the window in order to slake his unbelievable desire to do whatever might be beneficial to the coal companies. he is turning the country upside down because he wants if nothing else for the companies to like him. he's very insecure individual who has to be liked and patted and that's why he had his cabinet to praise him going around the room at the beginning. they deserve no credit for the d regulator efforts in the environmental area, the only other ones they rolled back was to protect little people in the event of a 2008 financial crisis. nice work mr. president. >> mr. congressman. >> like every issue we will talk about tonight, it is a balance, the environment in small businessmen and women in this country.
you talk to small businessmen and women in this country over the last eight or nine years, they have been more burdened by government regulations than they have taxes. so it is a balance, we want to be good stewards of the environment, we want to acknowledge the climate change exist, my party too many people thinks it's a hoax. but don't forget about the small business men and women all over the country who have been unduly burdened by government regulations over the years. we are trying to find a balance, has trump gone too far, yeah, because with everything he goes too far. >> thank you. once upon a time, it feels like a long time ago, republicans used to care about fiscal conservatism. the used to care about the u.s. budget deficit which is how much more expensive than it takes in revenue. under president trump it has exploded to over a trillion dollars. congressman, i thought you were
a deficit talk, that's how you came into congress. >> nothing disappoints me more than this. this is why i went to congress eight years ago, because future generations, we are bankrupting future generations and both parties do. when obama was president, all of us republicans screamed and howled every day and increasing the deficits. she is right he is actually increase the debt faster than a barack obama. trump has increased our deficits faster than obama has. but all of my former t party colleagues, what do we hear from them, not a damn thing. one more example of the republican party faces trump and they forgot about every issue that they claimed to believe them. >> my motto when i was in office, no such thing as
government money. there is only taxpayer money. has everyone forgotten about that. not just donald trump, there is nobody looking out for the taxpayers. the dems want to read spending by 5 - 10%. so they demonize each other to get reelected and then clear a special meeting to smoke the peace pipe and compromise by raising everything 20%. it's a total disgrace and trump has reset faster than anyone else. he hit a trillion dollars a month ten, he added $9 trillion. >> were duke make the tax cut? >> gifted zero-based budget and not assume you start with last years of procreation. you have to measure outcomes instead of input which is how much money was spent last year. that should be irrelevant, a
good program, if it wasn't 0 it out. >> lynette, just to add on to what the governor said. we should not have been a tax cut for the wealthy which is primarily what his tax cut was. it should've been a payroll tax cut that they would have felt. but the governor is right, the republicans and democrats do not get this, we have a spending problem in both parties like to spend a lot of money. if you listen to the democrats will spend a lot of time romping on trump, if you look at them all genuine and a lot of good things that they want to do but they never talk about how much these things will cost. >> i will give you another 30 seconds. >> in terms of cutting the budget, this builds on what i did in office. let's say you have a preventive health program which avoids a lot of bad outcomes and delivery
scripts, you might multiply that by ten. but if you have a bureaucracy that nobody can quite tell you where it came from, probably a relationship between some long dead u.s. senator and equally long dead share ways and means, you cut that to 0 and that's where the big money is in you have to have the political will to do that and not say there is sacred cows in the budget. no more sacred cow. >> business investment is down, manufacturing is in a slump and central banks around the world are preparing for an economic slowdown, we in the united states have cut taxes in president trump has pushed the reserve to lower interest rates. so, how do you get the country on the right financial footing within the first 100 days, what
policies do you enact? >> i would stop to inform policy and foreign economic measures with taxes and putting sanctions on everybody and terrorists. the president says i'm a tariff man, it's an emblem of how ignorant he is and foreign policy. we tried tariffs in 1930s and they greatly deepened the great recession. and he thinks when he stopped the tariff on china it is paid for china and beijing. it is not. it's paid by american farmers or american businesses who need to import something from china that contains steel or aluminum and everybody knows it. mr. trump thinks if it's made in north america it's made by the united states or mexico. he does not understand that the average car made in north america travels across the us-mexico border 22 times because depending on the weight scale. everybody makes out better with
free-trade in the united states always makes out best because we have the highest productivity per worker. we get the high wage jobs. >> thank you governor. >> first 100 days. >> i will say too much tonight in my campaign manager will scold me tonight because i will say too much that it's not about the issues, it's about trump, if you talk to anybody in the business community right now, investors, small business men and women, they don't know what he is doing from hour to hour, this uncertainty that this president has unleashed, he wakes up every morning and you don't know who he will attack with a tweet or what private business he will go after. the uncertainty, hour by hour where the heck is this president going has everybody in the business community on edge and they're not investing and not hiring, this is where the slowdown is coming from a long
with the governor said, the tears are beginning to have an impact on the country and in the first 100 days they would get rid of the tariffs it would not tweet crazy crab every morning. >> no tweeting in his menstruation. >> i will tweet but not crazy stuff. [laughter] >> some economists blame the slowing economy on trump's trade war with china. president trump a tariffs on a slew of goods from washing machines to soybeans. while many americans disagree with his message on handling the issue, they do agree that the u.s. relationship with china economically needs to change. so without tariffs, how do you change that relationship? >> china cheats but they do not just cheat against us, they cheat against the whole world
and they been doing it for a long time. trump plays down and throws down tariffs against everybody and he goes out china all by himself instant who pays a price, are farmers, small businessmen and women, you have to do with china and the mistake the trump may, he put us out there on an island all by ourselves. instead of rallying the whole world in a coalition, and maybe getting us back into the transpacific partnership, where we could have a coalition of countries that could deal with china. america has played a big, big price. >> you signed ttp, what do you do? >> i would absolutely rejoin cpp in a heartbeat. i point out during the campaign president trump said we cannot
join the transpacific partnership because it will be dominated by china. he is so incurious and ignorant about foreign affairs they he did not know china is not a member the whole idea was to have 12 facing nations, some in the nations and some of the americans without china at the table. all the treaties that he ripped up even with iran he is now scrounging around to get back where he was a square one before he ripped up the 2015 deal with iran. the relationship with china has to be a complex one. with the two big players out there. xi jinping i have high hopes for but he has re-subsidized all the s always and we are getting our brains beat and around the world in intellectual property, you have to be tough and i think we
will return. >> we will take a question from our online audience and this is about automation. according to a recent report, a quarter of u.s. jobs would be disrupted by automation. nearly every occupation in the united states can be affected, i will go to your first governor. what would you do proactively to deal with automation in the jobs that would be lost due to his. >> nobody in washington -- i agree will lose 15 - 25% of her jobs in the next ten years going to artificial intelligence and drones in machine learning which will take care of long-haul truckers. but there's good news of the ob replacement jobs was set under technical skills which would be higher waged jobs. we have to plan how to get the technical skills necessary into the hands of workers. iran the numbers, child play, one third of a% of most states budget to make the displaced workers get free community
>> they are not stopping automation. as the governor said it's a good thing making the american more productive the manufacturing sector is a hell of a lot more productive and efficient now with fewer workers or does government need to do quick city to train those workers per you cannot stop the market you have to keep it going. that will lead to good things but the government has to play a role as the american economy goes through these moments if we move from one industry to another. >> so it won't cost that much quick. >> states can take care of it but the federal government has to play a role this is a major transformation in our academy this automation thing. the federal government along with state government have to devote resources to train all
of the. >> more than half of republicans believe that they are concerned about the environment. what is your plan to win over the republicans quick. >> and to meet the outcome necessary with climate change that is to prevent global temperatures for arising between now and 2050. and it's very simple we have to place a price on carbon upstream at the loading dock for lng to be reported even agriculture has to pay but you put a price that is a congressional statute or as a
national emergency this can be the rare proper exercise of powers. >> will that win over voters quick. >> it's the right thing but democrats they are doing input on - - inputs mine will cost 16 of sanders. then they talk how much they spend they don't talk about putting a price on carbon that allows the market. >> is climate a concern quick. >> yes the republican party has to get on board or they are dying this is the issue that concerns most young americans. i don't want to sound way too basic but they have to acknowledge the facts that existed too often this is an issue where he would
acknowledge where it's real that we've been on this planet for how long clearly we are impacting the environment. just to get the republican part party, it seems like a baby step but just to get the republican party to acknowledge the obvious is a big step and if we don't do this, the train is going. i have all the respect for congresswoman aoc but i don't want a new deal i want the democrats to come in to revolutionize the whole american economy. to the heavy hand of government but if the republicans don't sit at the table to acknowledge there is a problem that will happen. >> please answer simple yes or no. >> where you rejoin the paris climate accord quick. >> no. >> immediately.
>> explain. [laughter] >> with the 2016 campaign. >> more clean beautiful coal and you can see that better than almost anybody. the coal miners are all back to work. clean coal. [cheers and applause] it does produce a third of america's energy but according to the bls solar and wind are the two fastest occupations or the future of america's energy window or clean energy quick. >> all of the above but that's a lie. that is present from saying i will build a wall in mexico will pay for it. when he said that and stuff like that he knew that the
coal industry is dying in this country and it should be. it is being replaced by cleaner forms of energy like natural gas and nuclear. we lost 15 percent of our coal output two years ago under president trump we are on track to lose 20 percent this year. it should be replaced it is dirty. i am all of the above. we talk about a balance with every issue. use of fossil fuels knowing the future is renewable. >> is not wrong for coal or oil it is exhilarating not to be dependent on foreign oil next it will be renewables were i get the green new deal is a couple of things although aoc had nuclear in her first draft the people had her take it out.
therefore it is dirty and we will not embrace it. you have to embrace nuclear power so do a responsible environmentalist it should be 25 percent i have been to underpopulated counties who would love to have another nuclear plant but it's a great employer and i'm not talking about building an enormous plant like they did on the barrier reef like fukushima and that is the wave of the future with great impact. that is point number one on the green new deal. >> we are out of time. >> we apologize for technical difficulties let's get back to it. crippling the oil production facilities president trump has
responded by deploying troops to the kingdom and now worried about saudi arabia what would you do with the increasingly complicated saudi relationship? >> i would be honest because republican democrat after her democrat through the years have not been. the biggest threat in the middle east, i worry about us getting further involved in the region we should not get involved in. are men and women should be home from afghanistan by now. we have to encourage that part of the world to move toward a democracy but i don't like us placing resources in their especially american troops. also the trump administration
said we are in a weird scary place where we don't believe what people tell us to believe saudi arabia the western world doesn't believe what the united states president says that is troubling. >> governor how would you handle the relationship quick. >> what troubles me about mister trump and the foreign area he claims to be a noninterventionist but he is quick to send those troops. a couple months ago he said after a discussion with his national security adviser i'm sending 5000 more troops to the middle east immediately brca1 never got there he must've had another thought but never said but it was for. not quite clear why we are sending troops to saudi arabia to defend the oil supplies. don't they have troops quick said no they have a lot of weapons because we sold them to them.
maybe we should make sure they know how to fly those planes. boots on the ground to another country for regime change that we don't like? that's the hide of the lesson learned from the iraq war that we should not do that. i agree we should have been home from afghanistan a long time ago. we've been home 18 years and they say we can't come home now. than when? does never work because that's what they mean. >> taking a question from the online audience in 2015 the supreme court said same-sex marriage legal in all 50 states but almost half of republicans oppose same-sex marriage. you signed one of the earliest laws at the state level what you say to members of your own party quick. >> it with it. you have to wrap your mind around that.
i came out for lgbtq rights before anybody else did i was by myself for 20 years on that i pointed - - appointed the woman who wrote that opinion and the due process clause was part of the foundation for the us supreme court decision. i appointed a slew of judges to my cabinet presided over the marriage of two gay members of the cabinet i am all in. i pinpointed a commission on gay and lesbian youth we had a rash of suicide as a result of only one - - bullying in high school schools. >> but how will you reach republican voters quick. >> talking about the gay suicides and even like mayor pete who i've gotten on the campaign trail the most important thing in his life
was a vote of the supreme court. >> last month the advocacy group said use the power of your public profile to repeatedly attack lgbtq community how do you respond quick. >> first of all on the first question, same-sex marriage is the law of the land. how do we get republican voters to eventually embrace it? this is one of those issues where it will take time. and we have to let time play out. i think the answer for most republican voters eventually is the family. over the next number of years to see the same-sex parents parents and their kids. the conservatives that i have spoken to over years they
value the nuclear family, a together family more than anything. as the months and years go by they see loving children can be raised by same-sex parents this is an issue that will move public opinion. >> you can use the power of the public profile to attack the lgbtq community. >> i disagree with that the power of my profile to talk to the issue and find common groun ground. i am a big supporter of anybody gay or lesbian or transgender to serve in the military but this is an issue when you have strong people on one side or another pushing too hard for the american people instead trying to find an area of compromise. for instance to use whatever washroom or shower facilities
according to the sex you identify as. find. people should have the freedom to do that. but we've got to think about the people in high school situations or other students who may be uncomfortable with that. we have to find common ground. >> a significant number of trump supporters say his willingness to say outrageous things he is a necessary reaction to an sensitive culture of political correctness. >> [laughter] yes. it is a great time to be alive. we are divided. i have been in the business of trying to break down political correctness for years. i want honest dialogue i do podcast back home with a black
radio host from chicago. he's a black eye i'm the white guy we sit down for an hour and we talk about these uncomfortable issues like race and racism. how do black and white people like at the police differently why don't black people like the republican party we have these conversations because i abhor americans who don't one is talking about sensitive issues for goi so believe in free speech and i get really worked up when we try to shut down speech we don't agree with. in this political correctness they cancel culture you said something five years ago now you can't get a job we are too sensitive. >> and that is a necessary reaction quick. >> that is spot on. i think one - - i think it is a powerful line to drain the swam swamp. i have always been known as politically incorrect as i spoke truth to power before that was fashionable. but i felt the same way about
the bureaucracy in washington and it would drive me crazy. don't get me started on the bureaucracies that's why the current president was talking about to say to drain the swamp. >> but that's different than pushing back on political correctness that people would call identity politics. >> i think it was refreshing how politically incorrect he was thinking he was the most professional of the candidates he wouldn't look uncomfortable or look the other way or wherever he was standing. he was part of the candidates but now we know a lot more than we did two years ago about how he will comport himself in office he is falling apart before our eyes. >> last month the poll showed
70 percent and they want congress to take action on gun violence you said you would loosen gun restrictions. >> i am a big gun guy i believe in second amendment gun violence is down between the last 30 and 40 years. crimes with guns and murders with guns, the numbers are good now the problem is are the mass shootings. there are a lot of things we need to look africa i am a good guy but the focus should be on we don't want anybody who shouldn't have begun to have a gun when i leave here in an hour if i go to a gun dealer if i want to buy a gun i have to get a federal background check. that makes sense if i bet i that same gun at a gun show i have to undergo a federal background check or if i buy it online i should undergo the background check and similar
sense if i buy it from a friend across town i should undergo a check i think that will help but we have to take a serious look at mental health issues. >> governor do have plans. >> as a prosecutor working with the fbi unit dealing with serial murderers and other sickos and the people committing these mass shootings are sickos. and with the version of the red flag laws with the coworker or family member to petition a judge you can get in front of a judge in six hours to say he has a history of violence with recent violent tendencies he's carrying around a list of peopl people. talking about his dad marie one - - admiration for osama bin laden, these are all
trigger words. to get in front of a judge to see if it holds up and if s so, usually they have six guns at home. take the guns away and by all means before something happens. that will come a lot closer to solving the problem than other solutions that don't aim at that population but everybody. >> we are nearing the halfway point. we asked some republicans and independents what they thought of the republican party under trump and going forward. >> rallies like this in new mexico were filled with energized voters but then they lost to barack obama in 2012
the rnc did an autopsy of the republican party saying younger diverse voters. >> the party took a very different approach because of donald trump. >> thank you very much president trump. >> the president has been credited for what it means to be a republican today prick on the other hand many have argued he is a result between moderates and conservatives growing for decades. >> this is not the republican party of ronald reagan or even george w. bush brookwood has changed a lot. >> ronald reagan said let's make america great. i don't like it as much.
that's good he sure as hell did not use it as much. we have sold millions and millions of hats now you go to a rally make america great. >> but many are focused on republican values. that being loyal to the republican party to be loyal to president trump. >> absolutely. >> but not everybody sees that as a win for the party. >> there is a country. >> the republican party is buried and probably is never coming back. >> they are winning and right
now trump has taken hold of the republican party. >> we are the party of the american worker, the american family. >> the republican party has a major identity crisis right now. >> and the party was left and discussed the day after the election. >> there were people who were as appalled as i was trying to figure out who these people are like the invasion of the body snatchers. like their brains were sucked out. >> a republican voters since 2001 once went to a trump rally. >> look at my african-american over here. >> i'm here and everybody to go up into this uproarious laughter if you were there you would have laughed.
>> but that racist rhetoric drove him away for the party he was voting for over 20 years. >> i left because they were treating others that were not white. >> today running in california. they say the tendency to lie and that diplomacy is a main motivation. supporters say while the style is different his actions are returned to the party of ronald reagan. >> and with the tax cuts that is strength and when reagan met with gorbachev and then with the soviet union they come to town and that every time i see trump. >> if i thought he were a recess i never would be here.
>> and he believes the president has been true. >> to be in limited government, small government, tax cuts personal issues and pro-life. >> that many have spoken out against the president the question of the man himself even those who eventually fell in line behind him. >> i don't know who the supporters are who you are or why you like him. go he is race baiting zeno phobic. >> he gets a free ride to the white house and all we get is a lousy hat. >> will the approach get him elected a second term quick. >> if he can squeeze out another electoral victory this is a path toward political suicide for the republican party because it is changing
the demographics of america with the majority minority country and if you are identified as the party of white racism you will not be successful one --dash successful. >> poll suggests he will become the nominee but that he would be the democratic challenger. >> the trump campaign cannot just win the people who voted or supported them in 2016 they will lose. they have to take people who never voted before or considered voting for him before. >> only they can appeal to those voters but the question is how? [cheers and applause] >> welcome back joining me now
is henry. >> thank you mister fisher. >> i'm looking forward to my time with you. >> governor when the congressman announces canada say you said thrilled that he was joining the fight but optimistic polling has you at 16 percent went head to head it's virtually impossible to win the nomination. >> i don't agree with that at all. look at where john mccain was with his two campaigns that were successful winning the new hampshire primary my strategy is to win the primary and even so those that led to the eventual defeat but a sitting president running for reelection all five times they have a primary they have lost in the general election or
>> only with a very political system in a divided country would produce that but here is the thing about that he doesn't have one new voter into an a half years he has to have a base of 35 percent but he will be be if he is the nominee in novembe november. >> how do you beat him quick. >> here is how ibm and the primary. when i say donald trump is a horrible human being, i'm tired of his drum and bs and the ugly tweets. when i say that publicly like i do as a candidate, i firmly believe most republican voters privately believe that. the objective of this campaign is get them to come out publicly to say what they believe but what happened today the president will be
impeached. this is just the beginning. >> you both can have 30 seconds for the follow up to 40 percent of congressional republicans were in office they have redesigned or has retired that's a lots of turnover do you think the brand is damaged quick. >> yes. and i think the president has no plans to help his fellow republicans. looking at the actions he has taken he makes it impossible to have them run in suburban districts he is looking at the electoral votes himself he doesn't care what happens to republicans. they are spending the entire year defending him just like they did with next and when he lied to the american people want - - by nixon they were blown away the next year i think they will be blown away in 2020.
>> the republican party brand sucks because of him young people cannot start - - stand the party brand. and people of color cannot stand it. as long as donald trump is there that is why it's so important for people to challenge him in the primary now so we can plant a flag to say this is not who we are. >> thank you you said the turning point of your support is when he met with vladimir putin in helsinki he undermined nato a lot of people think he appended post-world war ii international order how would you pick up us foreign policy were trump has left off quick. >> helsinki was not the final straw.
i like to tuna not my own people i say often that donald trump is unfit i believe that but he is in capable to carry about anybody but himself he will sit down to have a summit it doesn't matter if it's bad or horrible to invite the talent then to camp david as walt one - - as long as they could get the nobel peace prize. the president can't but the country's interest ahead of ours. we need one that will put the country's interest for. >> 15 seconds i do agree with the congressman but you have
to remember he is a sick man as a president. he's not happy in this other people are losing. he is a maniac wrapped up in his own head and filled with fear and hatred has to offload his anxiety every morning as soon as he wakes up with profound autocratic tendencies and things he will be the man on the white house lawn - - on the white horse saving us all and does not want to have elections and could take over everyone is a direct threat to the bill of rights and the constitution. that's a. now be. [laughter] [applause] >> now to reengage our allies the paris accord now the jcp away with iran i would join the tpp to understand the use of military power keeps the sea lanes and airlines open for free trade he doesn't even believe in free trade he has
no conception of foreign policy to the 2016 libertarian candidate shows them to vouch for the republican many say we are voting against hillary clinton versus donald trump for quite don't think she's a crook or belongs in jail but nobody was standing up for her maybe one from the dnc but i thought that was odd i have known her a long time. i said i will vouch for her personally it wasn't by people from her camp but that's why i did it and i would do it again because trying to rescue someone from a bully.
>> according to the kaiser pull more than half of americans have a favorable view of obama care but for the past eight years republicans have been working to defend or repeal. how would your administration work to make sure there is access to healthcare quick. >> if i'm elected the issue i would start with is there is no more important issue in this country than this. we have the american people living longer and longer but how we pay for the healthcare for all of these americans who are living longer and longer, neither republican or democratic party want to talk about that. you have democrats out there well-meaning democrat saying medicare for all just let the government do everything but the republicans out there say nothing because they are afraid to talk about healthcare. it would be the issue i would lead a discussion.
>> we have to take care of and make sure people in need in this country, those with chronic health conditions are always taken care of and never have to worry about their health care needs. they need to begin paying for day to day healthcare cost and then look at universal catastrophic coverage. >> governor how would your administration work access to healthcare quick. >> if they have the option to have health savings accounts to create their own plan instead of the government to mandate a cadillac plan when they do have those decisions all the time they buy insurance with no deductible or have the premium go down they can buy prescription drugs in canada they go over state lines which they are not allowed to do right now so i
want to bring down the role of the government with the affordable care act to put more decisions in the hands of patients to make their own health care decisions instead of that all come from a federal bureaucracy. >> this is really important nobody talks about how much this will cost into the young people in the audience your country right now is almost $23 trillion in debt i will be long gone i will not pay that back. you will. this country has to have an honest discussion how we offload the debt. >> according to pew research half of republicans say they are a burden democrat say they strengthen the country. >> to tell the truth we need more work visas not fewer if you want to stay in the country great it is a melting
pot i wish donald trump a lot of luck that it isn't a melting pot i think the whole canard these 11 million people want to be citizens know they don't. they overstayed their visa by one week as i have done coming back from europe it is a scare tactic by the president to stir the pot he wants people to hate like in the orwell novel he once hate in their heads he started with the muslims then went on to hispanics and people of color he has to have someone to hate it is pure politics and the lowest type of flow just to say he is divisive is an understatement and now steve bannon says if he is reelected it will be payback for what quick c is unhinged.
>> the governor is right the scare tactic but for the american people it is a real issue. people of this country illegally and what to do about it. are we a sovereign nation do we have borders cracks it is a real issue. not a scare tactic to a lot of americans. the governor's right people coming here legally the more the merrier it doesn't matter your color or your creed or what country you come from. none of that matters if you want freedom and opportunity but when it comes to people in this country illegally or those who come here illegally , again that's another issue where republicans and democrats have to find a solution because you live on the border right now in texas and arizona is easy to say in the manhattan studio we'll have a problem with illegal immigration but live on the border for a month it is a real issue that impacts americans but neither party is
prepared to talk about it. >> so now let's do a follow-up so how do you bridge that quick. >> out to solve the people want - - the issue of 11 million people clicks and as a hard line on immigration. and i want my border secure. with almost 1 million dreamers and then to give a little on the issue. there has to be a trade-off with border security and dealing with the immigrants that are here.
and this is the asylum issue. >> governor weld quick. >> all the people are worried about the immigrants to have a secure and southern border but that's not rocket science. for what you need to secure there are more drones and more asylum cases. with refugees and applicants coming in from el salvador and guatemala and honduras. >> that should be number one once everyone relaxes. >> henry trump on - - and trump is just a demagogue talking about how they will pay for that it is so much more complicated.
>> and to have a crisis of a situation president trump and the hard-line stance it is what got him elected and doing things that shocked americans , the attention to separate families how do you solve the actual crisis on the southern border quick. >> and those who cross the border and inter- illegal and those to claim asylum. you have a right to come and claim asylum. and those are the people that says we have to adjudicate their cases and keep families together most of the people
who claim asylum especially when they are given a lawyer but if you claim asylum it takes two years or more to adjudicate the case. the most of these folks when given a lawyer they show up for their hearing. we spend more resources for judges at the border it should take two months not two years. >> and the coyotes to prey on people. >> and then you raised this issue earlier. >> and then to be more inclusive and voted in record numbers but back in 2012 the republican party said "young voters are rolling their eyes
at the party. you will presumably want to appeal to younger voters. >> it's even worse now. sometimes i feel like an old white guy when i talk to americans in their twenties and thirties because they've got issues that interest them like climate change like lgbtq community or immigration they care deeply about. but we have to be honest. and the republican party has gotten so much worse and with that lgbt community immigration is a big issue that border needs to be
robust guest worker program they work for four months yes mexico guatemala el salvador and honduras. and then they want to be with their families. and then without their families and then stay indefinitely. >> talk about for brown skinned congresswomen to go back to where they came from. they are not anti- immigrant but anti- illegal. and we have done a lousy job to inflate that. >> following up with make america great campaign.
you called president obama a muslim so how do you persuade to trust you. >> i help to create trump. i went there eight or nine years ago obsessed with the fact we were corrupting future generations i was part of that tea party wave focused on the issues over the last seven or eight years and i engaged in personal and hateful rhetoric some of that i have to live with the rest of my life. knowing that i helped to create. that's a lousy thing to say on tv but i will say it.
may be a reformed gang member or outlaw. who understands some of what i did or what we did to create trump and then to heal the divide. >> it makes me very nervous because she will want to run off with you. [laughter] i love working with a congressman. his head is exactly the right place about the present and future politics of the united states. >> the president rages against the media calling fake news the recently he even blasted fox news as not working for us anymore. but a free press is a
cornerstone of the democracy. when are the attacks on the media how do you handle your own frustration cracks but donald trump doesn't think of himself like a president. he is a dictator. doesn't respect the first amendment he doesn't know what it is. be real. and the enemy of the people fake news i get it but the president of the united states and business insider. and then a matter for the next president is.
and then with different members of the media he took a divided country and is hell-bent on dividing it even more. >> amen to emphasis on immunity. when the president said that is straight out of the playbook and many other dictators. and those to dismantle a free and fair elections one by one and that there is no resisting him. it is the greatest speeches of
adolf hitler. and is just way out there and i think in the last two months and to come unglued but it would be the absence of donald trump. >> and those that used to be used for a press briefing. and according to the new press secretary is annoyed at the questions. as president would both of you commit to using our collective press briefing room in the white house quick. >> yes and attending the white house correspondents dinner. [laughter]
>> he is a child. if you say something nice i am darn outspoken. i believe in total transparency. >> and then the last question of the evening. to make very impassioned and compelling arguments and why they shouldn't elect president trump and then nominate and elect you quick. >> you have a problem president trump bragged about the loyalty of his supporters. >> we have the greatest space or i would not be here with all the things i have said they have never wavered.
he even famously joked he could shoot somebody and wouldn't lose voters. but no matter what he says or does the approval rating does not dip below 40 percent so what is your plan to break through that cracks what about that blind devotion quick. >> by trying to convey to things. >> this country cannot handle four more years of his bs. the country will be endangered. >> and then they are afraid to say it. they need the alternative. donald trump hasn't done
anything. talking about draining the swamp. he is the swamp. the most corrupt president we have had in this nation's history. and then to stay at the hotel's and those who put the faith in him in wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania. and for the first time now to lose those manufacturing jobs. it's a big time job. >> you likened the president to the emperor with no close. about parading down the main street in his birthday suit he is so brainwashed everybody thinks he's wearing beautiful close. how do you plan to show republican voters quick.
>> he does have sole support of that segment of the electorate which is somewhere in the thirties 30 and 40 percent. that's not a majority. it's very hard to see how he can recover and grow the base that he has to win the election it would be a tough six months for the president because he is now being called on the carpet and there would be very bad news the house will not go out of its way either in the house or the senate but they will say exactly what he has done for the american people. but it would be hard to disregard. every day between tomorrow and
the election. >> now explained to america and the world why you should be president. one minute. >> i want to thank you for this is great for both of us and for the country. with those tried-and-true republican conservative policies and to see those deployed by the party in washington. and with those financial resources and with that mister trump wants to undermine the minority groups but the most important is the precious individual liberties.
so i think the congressmen and i would like to see those adopted by the republican party. it is right of center country we are not left of center like european friends and this is a perfect evening. >> [applause] >> i and where i began a broken political system to put a horrible human being in the white house we have to do better than a president who tweets insults every morning at the american people we have to do better than a president who lies to us every time he
opens his mouth directly after you better than a president who has zero respect for the rule of law. and then to destroy the republican party. most republicans feel to get them to be brave enough to become public with within a privately. >> if you are willing to be brave say i'm tired of the bs to go to joe welsh.org. [applause] >> republican presidential primary debate thank you to the candidates thank you for watching on facebook of more coverage of the 2020 races.