tv After Words Michelle Malkin Open Borders Inc. CSPAN September 29, 2019 12:00pm-12:56pm EDT
direction. >> to watch the rest of the program and find other appearances by david horowitz visit our website booktv.org. type his name in the search box at the top of the page. >> next up on booktv's "after words" author and political columnist michelle malkin offers her thoughts on u.s. immigration policy she's interviewed by republican congressman chip roy of texas. "after words" is a weekly interview program with relevant guest hosts interviewing top nonfiction authors about their latest work. >> great to be with you michelle. i would love to get ready to talk about your book. the first part of your book
captured my attention because something that's important to me as a congressman from texas is to the extent to which cartels have operational control of our border. i've been to the border numerous times and i would love to get your perspective on that the $2 million in week that did ãbis making just moving people across in mcallen. you know this well it's a real problem there were the ones profiteering on the back of migrants and women and children and can you talk a little bit about that has one of the opening points you make in your book? >> the work that you are doing is so important to enlighten the american public about vice grip that the cartels have at the border.the horrifying and appalling impact that has to innocent people on both sides of the border and one of the things that i think that was really important to illuminate on chapter 1 of the book of what i call the caravan cartel is that the drug cartels couldn't do it alone. what's shocking to people is not that you have explicit criminal conspirators out there that are making these billions of dollars in profits and endangering lives and really wreaking violence and havoc on
innocent families and children but the fact that you have mended benevolent charities and religious organization that might think that they are doing good deeds and of course we all know about the kind of road that good intentions paid. but religious organizations on both sides of the border that are doing service and enabling the drug cartels to make as much cash as they do. we've seen the illegal aliens caravan come across from central america up the spine of mexico into your state and then beyond, the support money that is subsidizing this entire illegal alien shoulder network, especially churchgoers in america need to understand is largely coming from their own pockets and election plates they think it's helping their neighbors, they think it's
helping homeless people in their communities but in many ways it's going straight to the network and i named many of the shelters from central america all the way into the interior of the united states that are being subsidized by the catholic church. >> michelle, you are making a great point, what i would love to explore a little bit further is the extent to which there is a cycle of human smuggling. the extent to which cartels are at the central operational control of that cycle. and to your point about how it works. a lot of people don't understand the extent to which you got people who are being
driven up from countries by cartels and illicit organizations for profit. one of the report i saw was $2 billion dollars moving people, not narcotics, people. the way they do it is by exploiting our laws and then the asylum laws and the flores catch and release situation. they come across our border and what you find as you go to the border people are being brought across the go straight to a bus to get processed by border patrol and then go straight to an ngo to get distributed into the country and all of this is completing the cycle of smuggling. can you talk a little bit about that and the exploitation of our laws. >> the question hits the nail on the head. your average news consumer, even if they are fairly well-informed, have the impression that the people at the border trying to evade border patrol. and you know it's not true.
the word spread very fast and quickly and of course we know now in in your state you see that it's not to central america all these african migrants as well have been coached and i think what's alarming is that these people around the world are far more informed about immigration law and all the ins and outs the nuts and bolts. how to work around all the loopholes and in many cases it's not the loopholes it's actually how it works. then the american people are about the rules of laws on our books that are supposed to protect us. you got illegal alien parents that are already here.
he or extended relatives and then they got the children back home they pay a coyote to bring across in the coyote pays the drug call tell to make the final passage. everybody's making money. you have these ngos get their own cut of the profit. i think what's most offensive to people who really understand the way this works is that in essence this is a grow dome a global human smuggling bracket they get to operate under the patina umbrella of compassion while they accuse all the rest of us of being racist, heartless, whatever. the question always comes up about who we are. the x potential question.they wrap themselves in the mantle of the flag and the statute of liberty, which last time i checked was not in the constitution of the united
states. even if you look at the statue of liberty as the liberty and lightning of the world not liberty absorbing and resettling the entire world. >> you raise a lot of important points. before he moved to one different topic i want to close the loop on the consequences of all this. you mentioned the humanitarian reality of what were day-lewis. the impact on american citizens and endangerment. i have a citizen in san antonio texas jared burgess was unfortunately murdered last summer, the person who perpetrated that crime was an illegal immigrant who the police caught. which is prosecuted for that and found guilty but this is a reality in america.it's arming american citizens but also the migrants you seek to come here who are abused, the women, the children, while these illicit illegal organization profit, you said the important part about compassion, to me this is the false name of compassion that open borders are somehow good for migrants is completely
backwards. it's empowering these illegal organizations. you talk about these kinds of things in your book. i would love to hear your point on that before i move on to a different chapter. >> i agree with you. the massive systemic exploitation of innocent people who want what we all want, better lives for themselves and their children, it breaks my heart and the number of ponds in this cruel and inhumane game of open borders incorporated is incalculable and the fact that it doesn't just stop at the borders, i lived in the dc school roberio in montgomery county which has long prided itself on being an illegal alien sanctuary springs in my left ear 11 years ago you could already see the signs of ms 13 taking over the public schools, taking over the local malls. it's only mustached designs and
got worse. i think it's incredibly important to point out that it's not just american citizens that are victims of these crimes but it's largely other members of these migrant communities who are being victimized, raped, and murdered. >> thanks for making that point. and to get to the next topic i think really caught my eye in the book i'm going to say something that's going to shock you and the viewers. i'm a white guy and i'm a bald white guy. in chapter 4 of your book is titled hate machine, the southern poverty law center. i'm looking at the exact quote without getting into the weeds. you identify yourself as quoting nonwhite brown skin daughter filipino catholic immigrants wife of a grandson of ukrainian jewish migrants the mother of multiracial multiethnic children. the new start pointing out the things that you are not. xenophobic, racist, white the premises.yet these are always the charges.
you see this all the time, could you speak to that from your perspective and what you've gone through in your life and why you take particular offense to that? >> yes. i want to go back to my very first appearance on c-span in 2002 when i came out with my very first book invasion it was on the first year anniversary of the september 11 terrorist attacks. we are talking to each other on the 18th anniversary of those attacks and it was because
every group out there that does the research and tells the truth about the negative impact on our culture and our schools and public health system and welfare let alone national security, it's really daunting because you realize these are just random people out there crossing out the smears. it's very well orchestrated and very well funded. i encounter that smear machine very early on. now everybody is aware of it. with the large number of d platform and we are seeing a prominent conservatives, independents, trump supporters, and other organizations that have found success on the internet.
but very early on it was immigration that motivated groups like the national council of la raza.the anti-defamation league and the number of subgroups under the umbrella of the open society foundation to come up with their own guidebook. a book of code words that you are not allowed to use. for me in 2006 or 2007 the video that attacked me for talking about the academic demographically if many of these open borders forces were able to overwhelm cities that they would amass electoral power and all you have to do is look at the numbers and see that that's happening but to be able to talk about it without being labeled conspiracy theorist is nearly impossible these days and it certainly helps the f dlc which itself is highly discredited organization that even mainstream liberals
in magazines like the atlantic have completely exposed now you got internal whistleblowers who have talked about harassment and racial discrimination within the organization the poverty pallet should no longer be clouded by any mainstream media organization and yet cnn in the washington post continue to confer upon it absolute moral authority to be able to judge who is a "white supremacist " and even if they have is brown skin as i do. >> you spent a lot of time down on our southern border and i have as well obviously. the district i represent the 21st congressional district which stretches from austin to san antonio through the whole country. i spent a lot of time in laredo and a lot of time in mcallen. you have too. >> many times. you been to the border in texas, arizona, new mexico, california, one of your perspective is the same as
mine. it's often brought out the charge that there is a racist tinge to believing in border security. i have two thoughts on that i want to get your feeling on stop look at the brave men and women in border patrol overwhelmed right now. who as one agent told me is often on diaper patrol instead of border patrol because they're so overwhelmed. as other agents have said they are often in a sector where they only have three guys and gals alive. that they will have a two mile stretch of 70 miles a laredo where you can drive a car alongside the river. and you can't see the river through a cane. we are asking them to do the impossible. here's my point. the majority of the border patrol officers are engaged with and i believe statistical truth are hispanic.they are hispanic americans along the border who believe that border is part of our sovereignty the rule of law matters. that's why people seek to come
here. that would be one point in the second point is with respect to this racist charge, how is it somehow good for people of any color to be abused on a journey coming here and have open borders that then empowers the very illegal organizations we discussed earlier the show and how is that a good thing from a race standpoint at all. i wonder if you have thoughts on those points. >> on the first point i absolutely agree with you and i cut my teeth this paper journalism in los angeles in the early 1990s. not only did i report on the perspective of american citizens and law-abiding immigrants who were early warning about immigration chaos in that state and trying to take control of it back then, but of course had started building up many forces both in the border patrol and i.c.e. then i moved up to the seattle times and was able to see the perspective of border patrol agents and deportation and
removal officers who worked on the northern part of the border. we spent so much time justly talking about the southern border but the neglect at the northern border especially when you have canadian governments in power who see themselves as doormats for the world and in large part harboring islamic extremist groups that then can just traipse across the northern border because all that stopping them our orange rubber cones. it's alarming and they been under siege for a long time. congress in washington swamp always pay lip service to wanting to fund them more, wanting to increase their ranks but they been purposely turned into a diaper patrol because too many special interests don't want them to do their job effectively and another important point you made of course is that these border patrol agents come from all backgrounds. they have all skin colors, brown, white, black, yellow, many of course in the southern
border sectors are families that come from law-abiding hispanic families themselves. in colorado i adopted home state i visited the aurora facility recently and the i.c.e. agents and the other people that work there from the private contractor many of them are proud and recently naturalized americans who understand that to preserve that special gift of being able to become an american you need an orderly system that is able to check properly and decide who we want to let in who should stay here and how we should remove the people who don't belong here in the first place. >> i was about to move to business and moved to your open borders inc. ãbturn the american flag
upside down put abolish i.c.e. on it and then raise the mexican flag. i went to that facility that saturday morning the day after that occurred at you and i talked about this. i went in there and i followed 1200 people. i found clean rooms. i found tvs i found ipads i found three square meals a day i found internet access. jim's. here's the interesting point, to your point, there will people in that facility from 57 countries, 57 countries from around the world every tria, pakistan, india, ãbthis is not just a northern triangle and problem with respect to mexico. >> it's not. it's worldwide. i remember when you tweeted the picture of you outside the aurora facility inspired me to do more in my own home state and not long after on labor day just recently we had a stand with i.c.e. rally that drew 200 people on a holiday. there's a hunger and a thirst
among grassroots ordinary citizens to show their support in a way that hasn't been done until now. with so many of these i.c.e. facilities under siege being lied about with the agents being stalked and harassed which i talked about in the book in chapter 5 on what i call the atm abolish i.c.e. antiqua and the sanctuary anarchist. this is well subsidized and underwritten by forces that are hostile to american sovereignty. it is very important for people to know what is actually going on in the facilities. the tour you took the toilet i took, i was stunned to find out that among the many amenities that you listed on top of that you got these detainees many of course as i'm still criminal alien repeat offenders and deportation fugitives who have free access to lexis-nexis.
they have tele-psychiatry appointments, full-service pharmacy. i've been to colorado state department of correction facilities that don't have a fraction of these amenities. yet if you believe the hysteria driven squad here in the beltway, they are on the order of concentration camps from world war ii. this is absolutely ridiculous. more disturbingly, the incitement to violence is not just some sort of speculation. you would think that with all the targets that have now faced either shootings like the shots that were fired in san antonio, the mullica cocktail throwing at the cis office in florida and obviously the attack by the antiqua saga in tacoma, if the ideological chips had fallen on the other side, this would be
declared an epidemic and there would be congressional hearings out the was due about how to prevent this epidemic of violence from continuing. >> you make a great point and i will add just one more point to that about the i.c.e. facilities. one consequence of the massive influx, the almost 900,000 people who have been apprehended since last october, that's not counting not apprehended. 600,000 of them have been caught in the and release. a huge number that we have to find a place to put them where they going? they're going to i.c.e. facilities. when i was at the facility in aurora what i was told is that 80% of the 1200 were people who had come across our southern border recently. what did that mean? to your point about criminals we are not being able to do as much interior enforcement because we don't have a place to put them. by interior enforcement as you know and i wonder if you want to comment on this or talk
about hardened criminals. dangerous people people engaging in battery or assault or murder or whatever it might be. we have a tougher time actually doing our job interior because they're all overwhelmed. >> it such a transient point and i wish we could just shout it from the rooftop, every day. the problem is, when we talk about the policy consequences, these are hidden costs. it's not like a viral photo of the analysand shows that you can photoshop onto a time cover. in the left of course splits this ability to tell these visceral stories but can't tell the stories of the hidden impact of other types of victims of crime that we can know about and the displacement in places like the aurora i.c.e. facility of hardened criminal repeat aliens. with these people who are being served across the border and enabled by all these ngos and entire open borders network had
exposed. i moved away from montgomery county to colorado thinking i was escaping it. the point for every americans across the country is there is no safe space from open borders inc. >> ãbcame to do a press conference with me in san antonio because i'm sorry up here in dc because of the dangers posed to the people 50 to 60 to 70 miles from the border. it's a montgomery county. we are seeing all sorts of terrible things and the consequences and abuses by people coming here illegally from the northern triangle.
can you talk a little about that. you talk about big business, amazon and how that plays into this. if it was simply empty virtue signaling to spread money around to the project in texas that provides pro bono legal services to illegal alien family members, i suppose then the problem wouldn't be so intractable but for a lot of these silicon valley companies and i wrote about this as a focus of my last "sold out" ãb
him they are explicit goals are to bring in as many cheap laborers as they can who then outsource the work. the problem is that a lot of these silicon valley companies have invited the splc into their inner chambers to help them identify their worst political opponents and then to d platform them and completely throttle them from telling the truth. it's connecting the dots of that money.tim cook and jeff bezos have donated to many of these deep-pocketed nonprofit organizations big business and the us chamber of commerce are huge reason for
that. >> let me ask your perspective on this. as you know, i've been working in this universe for a while, for example, democrats are foster reyes of el paso supported with operational hold the line. building a fence in el paso that would work. now his successor beto o'rourke wants to tear it down. we know that border security
needs some sort of infrastructure and fencing. southern california we had 600,000 and something annual apprehensions in the mid-1990s. the number is down to about 30,000. why? my concern and my question for you is, why do we end up in an endless cycle with some interest, not all, particularly bigger business, bigger representation, us chamber of dc not wanting us to actually enforce the law? >> money talks. i think that a lot of local chamber of commerce members have no idea of what the national chamber of commerce actually represents and i think most of these grassroots local members would be appalled to know that.
lurking behind them of course are these larger corporate interests that allow the crazies and the radicals to give voice to the ultimate working agenda of their own organization. they will be very happy if every last willing worker in the world is able to cross the border for a dollar an hour wages. >> let me ask you this, on a related point, and we are talking about business community and free trade it's really important in texas. and nafta and having good and services across the border to mexico. my observation is you've got a burgeoning and growing middle class in mexico because of nafta and getting free trade and our goal and objective is
society ought to be to have an encouraged economic growth throughout the western hemisphere, mexico northern triangle. we want that to occur. we want to decrease the pressure for people to come here. isn't part of that the economic situation and making sure we stand up for free trade? i would note that nancy pelosi blocking the president's goal of getting usmc a done because she doesn't want to give him victory but why do we also recognize that enforcement in order to stop the magnet for people coming across as part of that. it's better for mexico, better for guatemala, hold duress also overcome better for venezuela and south america for us to have a secure border where everybody knows what the rules are.welcome to come here through the open doors and that would actually result in better lives for the people in other countries. >> i agree with you. the formulation is basically that interior enforcement and enforcement of our own borders is empowering to the people in these home countries to create
more wealth in their own countries and convince them to take more accountability for their own home. but we are just racist or believing that the best way for people to improve their lives and prosperity is to not have to risk their own kids lives and enriched drug cartels and all these ngos. in the financial imperative comes into play i have a section in chapter 1 called banking on illegal i talk specifically about all the financial institutions from wells fargo to bank of america or bank of illegal aliens in america i suppose. now there are all these apps and paypal is in on it and a lot of silicon valley to be able to more seamlessly send remittances back home. ... ...
the federal reserve itself runs a remittance program where it recruits illegal alien customers in america selling festivals and having carnivalgames to sign them up so they can get a cut to . >> host: one of the things i think grabs my attention in your book is that little part about the media. i think you referred to what some of the media personalities had done to create a climate of heat , extending to what we've been talking about, can you talk about that and how bad the whole conversation right now with respect to how we solve the problem in a rational and sane way, believing in free trade, leaving as people of faith wanting to help people who need help but believing the best way to do that is to have a system that works and where the law is enforced and where it isn't this open
borders that harms people because they're being controlled by dangerous cartels. how the media is fomenting thatwrongly . >> so it is incredibly difficult to talk rationally about policy consequences when you have open border propagandists in the media constantly smearing hate patriots as patriots and seizing control of the absolute moral authority card to confer essentially this immoral authority only on illegal aliens and their families at the expense of american families who've been separated. that never ever comes up and i wrote a column thisweek about questions that i know the open borders media are not going to ask these democrat presidential candidates, questions like the debate in houston .
houston which is a sanctuary space where jocelyn johnson lost her husband, both of them members of the houston police department and she has no standing in american courts to sue and hold these anarchists accountable. where are the bleeding hearts on the left for families like this? she and her husband are both african-american and there's so many stories like that and yet you have an open borders media that when president trump finally embraced many of these angel families and told their stories during the state of the union, these media types on twitter were proactively smearing them. smearing at them while they were being applauded in the chamber. they had absolute contempt for american citizens while they exalt every last supposed victim of the illegal immigration racket and in many cases lost, i talk about the straightout
narrativedeception, we talk about a sanchez, many cases like that , this doesn't help that you have outright illegal aliens in the media like josc antonio vargas whose borrows money out there calling themselves a real american is littering the fundamentaldifference between people who came here legally like my parents did from the philippines and people like him who came here illegally . >> i'm glad you mentioned what you are talking about with respect to houston and some of the century problems. i mentioned earlier jared vargas who is unfortunately murdered last july in san antonio. i got to know his wonderful mom lori. his whole family, his brother. they're wonderful families and they're just blown away by the state ofour law. and there really hurt . they lost a loved one and when i'll hear from some critics who will say there are crimes committed by
american citizens. they tried to play percentage about who does more . my point is simple, that doesn't do anything to bring jerry back . and this is somebody who is here wasn't supposed to be here. by the way, the 900,000 people who come across our border, 600,000, were not performingadequate screening. and if only one percent of those people are coming in are bad people associate with ms 13 or gangs, that's a lot ofpeople . that's 9000 people so i wonder , can you talk more about the angel families and their direct impact on american citizens and a lot of people don't know stash houses and the abuses that continue. we found astash house in the united states government in houston with 64 people in a basement being held hostage to pay ransom back to cartels on the other side of the rio grande . that's happening in america. can you talk about these things? >> the most important thing you talkabout here which is a
point i tried to spread and i have a the last 25 years , yes. the open borders propagandists will go back and forth about what there, whatever the proportion of citizens, 100 percent of the criminal aliens committing crimes that were 100 percent preventable. and if the gun control lobby applied its own sake just one life mantra to immigration control. we be so much better off. and this revolving door of course as victimized so many people. we talked about it before. it's not just american citizens but people of all races and backgrounds.and the callousness with which the media and hollywood especially, i have a whole chapter on that too. the intersection of hollywood and open borders inc., the calluses which would be a show in particular families of color to borrow their own phraseology is stunning to me and i contracted the outpouring of compassion for
you in a sanchez by hollywood media and collected democrats in california to the near code of silence there was when romeo saying, this hero legal immigrants of indian descent from fiji was ruthlessly murdered on christmas day just a couple of years ago. and at the same time that nancypelosi , harris were tweeting about this separation of familiesat the border , they had zero to say about roto sing and so i'd love it if there was a media of moderator that would ask the democratic presidential candidates raise your hand if you know who romeo singh is. >> you got so many great subjects that are covered in your book, i'm not sure going to hit them all but you referenced one and there's more area you talk in this open borders inc., and we talked about sanctuary cities .
another factor in all this is the community and i found it sometimes i want that faith community is complicit in allowing this illicit trade of people.because again, i think in the false compassion that somehow this is a good thing to be to do, can you talk a little bit about catholic church, i think you mentioned about evangelical churches. and that are a part of this whole network. sometimes wittingly, sometimes unwittingly, maybe for good purposes in their hearts but at the end of the day there still a part of this human smuggling cycle . >> guest: i'm catholic myself and over the years i've become more aware that the vatican and us process of catholic bishops are involved in subverting our borders but i didn't know how deep and how many billions of dollars were at stake.
many of them in the form of government contractsthrough the refugee resettlement . and in the case of the us process of catholic bishops exclusive subcontracts dealing with sheltering and paying for foster care for unaccompanied children, unaccompanied minors from south of the border in central america. what's alarming is that you got many unwitting catholics who are giving money to catholic relief services were catholic charities or the catholic campaign for human development who don't understand that these organizations have been hijacked in some cases by social justice warriors or it's in their dna to that they were in alliance with saul linsky in chicago. so we give money every thanksgiving as part of the national campaign and as i said before people are under the impression that this is going and staying in their neighborhood when it's being sent abroad and then it's
like this vicious cycle. it's like this money-laundering machine . and it's not just the catholic church. i talk about the lutheran immigrants and refugees services. this is one of thevoluntary agencies , and the beltway, the vernacular has one of these exclusive refugee resettlement contracts and they're responsible for bringing johan omar and her family here. and they're largely responsible for transforming the twin cities into the biggest breeding ground for jihad plots that are not only taking place here domestically but of course many of these young men were brought here and there toddler years for their early elementary school years now going back to somalia and killing their own people or targeting american soldiers. so i find it highly ironic that you have these liberal military leaders who published a piece in the washington post recently arguing against a more
radical reduction for refugee resettlement numbers.by saying that it would make us or unsafe as we need to import more arabic translators from afghanistan and iraq that here. my answer to that is an appendix in open borders incorporated which profiles 60 of what i call refugee hotties including at least two muslim translators that were employed by the us army who were arrested and convicted of plotting jihad against america. >> you mentioned a little bit ago something else that caught my attention in your book and something that struck me about funding of a lot of these entities out there, particularly on the left. george soros, mentioned him my name. he obviously spreads a lot of money around trying to push an agenda. i would argue a fairly radical agenda and i wonder if you wanted to talk about his and/or other wealthy donor forces that are
impacting in this debate. >> so it's become verboten to talk about george soros. he has many of his minions that are employed by groups like media matters or the now-defunct think progress, groups like this. have labeled any criticism of george soros bending as anti-semitism and as you mentioned, i am the light of a grandson of ukrainian jews and yet this bill doesn't insulate me from these ridiculous ad hominem charges . so the chapter that i wrote about george soros is filled with facts about how the large both of his $25 billion network is now being directed towardsopen society foundations . 18 billion he has earmarked to achieve his agenda. again, this is not a conspiracy theory, i read his
book called the case for global governance and he said he considered sovereignty and obstacle. an obstacle to his goal of using the united nations to achieve its own ends for financial reasons or ideological. and what is daunting is that for your informed at least leaders on my side of the ideological aisle, weknow that he's involved in many high-profile groups . always become active during the electoral season but there are hundreds and hundreds of them that proliferate with names that you don't even understand what they mean. the abolished ice movement in new york city for example has been perpetrated mostly a group called make the road new york. i don't know what that means but they came out of nowhere and organizedthousands of people to descend on the airport in new york city when trump tried to introduce the travel ban . which was all centered on making sure that we don't have another 9/11.
and there are numerous of these groups that then turn around and take soros grants and grant them to other organizations . i think it's really important for people to see just how many layers are involved here and to make sure that in their own neighborhoods they're doing their own homework about who's lamenting sanctuary cities for example or two is spearheading the drive to driver's licenses for illegal aliens or in-state tuition discount. we talked about montgomery, county maryland and basically it's been a fight them in montgomery county and its political action arm cost us in action endorsed the montgomery county executives marked early. it's a cozy little network. >> i think you've articulated that well and i think one thing that might help for those arguing is to understand open borders
incorporated. walking someone through the cycle of this human smuggling effort that's at the center of it. a family sitting in the northern triangle in guatemala or salvador are struggling and there's economic unrest and they say i'd like america and there told you don't have to come to the normal channels, just ,, faithfully and then youget taken across the river and you'll be able to do whatever you want to do and there told that with some degree of honesty . because what the cartels are saying and some of the illegal organizations, they're saying pay a fee. what is that fee?it's something like $10,000 so a family in the united states or cousin or uncle and aunt can pay the fee for somebody or somebody back home will pay the fee. and he'll bring somebody to the border, pay coyotes and it's an actual supply chain. there's a whole business model around this and they'll then take a video of somebody
coming across the river. send the video back to the home family. then sometimes don't take a band or a brother and don't abuse them and take a video of thembeing abused, send it to them and asked for more money, more ransom. then they'llget across the river and sometimes take into some sort of stash house or something and held for ransom. in the meantime when they come across the river as you pointed out they go straight to border patrol because they know they're going to get caught . if you have a child under our current interpretation of the law , and it's about interpretation, it's your get out of jail free card. it's her automatic entry card is that you get to come into the united states. i could go on and on but it's important to the american people and i think it's this whole notion of open borders incorporated, this is a whole system that all ties together to do this and accomplish this to the detriment of our sovereignty . >> and the fluency withwhich all these players speak about this bracket, that premium that they pay to get across , knowing that gelato is right there. the binational phalanx of
lawyers there to hold their know your rights webinars. we talked about lexis-nexis, the ice facility. and there's an appendix in open borders incorporated lays out all those legal organizations and an entire army of what i call the illegal alien lawyers blot . when you have every law school that's recruited and every white shoe law firm provides pro bono legal services and their bringing cases all the way up to the supreme court, let alone the judicial tyrants, it's not just the court of appeals. and i understand that's sort of shorthand for people signaling that they understand there's a problem with the courts. but when you have these individual circuit court judges just literally laterally asserting authority to overrule the president's plenary powers on immigration , we have a systemic problem and you know, people ask me
what can i do? one thing is to make surethat if you have the power to cast votes for district attorney , you're going to vote for a district attorney who is not going to look the other way on immigration. and i think we should start impeaching some of these open border judges as well. >> we can have a whole hour long conversation on just that alone given the extent to which those charges interfere with reasonable efforts by the ministration to try to secure the border and congress to make their stances but that brings me to an important point which is politicians right now. we got a significant debate on going on on the state of the border and what the president wants to do, is trying to do. ice and border patrol area for the first fivemonths of this year my democratic colleagues . lee said there was no crisis. it was a made up crisis. a manufactured crisis.
i talk about the numbers of people, hundreds of thousands of apprehensions in a month and be told it's a manufactured crisis. suddenly in the summer it was we got to admit there's a crisis . what do you see as the main problem here from a political standpoint and how much politicians then makingit worse and how much of the problem is politicians attacking law enforcement ? >> i think the incitement to violence of the squad and pretty much every mainstream democrat is incredibly alarming and i think that's why you're seeing these grassroots manifestations of support for ice. the disingenuousness of all the democrats and certainly the presidential field on suddenly determining that a noncrisis was now a catastrophic event just speaks to the lack of any adults in the democrat party back room on this issue.
there used to be rational, sane voices on this. barbara jordan of your home state was a true heroin and patriot . there isn't one democratic presidential candidate who will stand up and say you know, we shouldn't have medicare for all illegal aliens. we should put american citizens first. we should believe in this idea of securing the blessings ofliberty to ourselves and our posterity . and i suppose of all of them tulsi gabbard has shown some glimmer of sanity on the issue but when you have the head of the national convention as one thomas perez who used to have maryland, the radical fringe has become the center of the democrat party. >> i'm glad you pointed that out and as i think about the importance of your book right now and the timing of the subject matter i'm glad you
mentioned the medicare for all point. milton friedman, famous free-market economists was once asked in the 70s whether he supported open borders and he said absolutely . even my this is in a pre-9/11 world but he said absolutely, you don't have a social welfare state and that's an important point because of the magnitude and it's important that we have to sovereignty and the way to manage all this and the security of your citizens and migrants have a safe way to come here but that's an important point you made because every single democratic candidate raise their hand and if you think about what that looked like and what that was viewed and would do to up and our immigration system, the numbers we've seen of all the civilians when it swelled to untold numbers . where doyou think we go from here ? what do you get out of this book and what you think we do to shape the narrative and what you're trying to accomplish with open borders incorporated? >> people ask what do i do now and for all seven this is my seventh book that i've written.
i've never intended my book to just, as a doorstop or for people to just read them and then these books to have the shelflife of french fries. i want them to last and i want people to use the information so i'm trying to practice what i preach. by going out there and i've seen so many brave people on the front lines for so long who haven't had the privilege of having a platform that i have and so you can't let fear guide you. i feel you can take small steps to do what you can to defund open borders incorporated and you can start small. some of these things are harder than others and if you don't want to support what google is doing anymore and you got google, amazon and microsoft all of whose employees have now essentially declared war on ice. they're pressuring their ceo to stop doing business. any business at all with anyone who works at the department of homeland security and we yourself off
of those platforms. myspace doesn'texist anymore and there was a point at which we all thought it was going to rule theworld . it no longer exists . we don't have to yield and capitulate. so i even changed from a national chain that wasn't a embracing illegal immigration to a local bankin my hometown . that's my first step and then we have to lobby ourselves and raise our voices and pressure the people here in the swamp to do more to defund for example many of these nonprofit tax-exempt groups that are engaging in seditious behavior. >> i appreciate your book and i appreciate the timing. i think we can solve this problem if we work at. we got solutions that we said in committees on capitol hill, a one page bill that would solve the asylum problem, that would solve, funding ice at the level president obama has had $1 billion to deal with what we
need on the border to stop cartels. labeling cartels as foreign terrorist organizations is a bill i introduced. it just takes the result to do it and i appreciate you exposing this kind of network that's running against the american people want which is a rational same system is on the rule of law so people can really live the american dream to do it safely into our law and iknow you agree with . >> i want to thank you. if we could clone you 434 times, that would go a long way. so thank you for your time, i know you're busy keep doing what you're doing . >> thank you, god bless. >> this program is available as a podcast . all "after words" programs can beviewed on our website at booktv.org . >> the house will be in
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