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>> president trumps former national security advisor john bolton speaking today about us relations with north korea. you can see this program from the center for international studies tonight at eight eastern on c-span and watch it online at or risk listen with the free c-span radio app. tonight on the communicators, tennessee senator marsha blackburn chair of the judiciary committees technology task force on china's huawei and regulating big tech. >> some of the social media platforms that are beginning to distribute news and have a news feed, individuals want to see them actually have a news director. >> tonight at eighteastern on cspan2 . up next, a debate with the two republicans currently
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challenging president trump for the party's nomination in 2020. former massachusetts governor bill weld and illinois congressman joe walsh were part of a forum hosted by business insider. [applause] >> good evening and welcome to business insider 2020 primary debate, i'm the politics editor anthonyfisher . >> and i'm linette lopez. tonight we will hear from two republicans challenging president donald trump for their party's nomination in 2020. former massachusetts governor bill weld and former illinois congressman joe walsh. >> business insider's committed to providing candidates of both parties an opportunity to speak with voters and consider ideas and
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perspectives that don't fit in red or blue boxes. the candidates will answer questions on economics, immigration, climate, foreign policy and america's deepening political divide. we want to know why the candidates differ from the president and why they would do a better job . >> president trump did not respond to our invitation and governor sanford at a scheduling conflict. >> each candidate will have 60 seconds to speak when recognized and may give an additional 30 seconds to respond to follow-ups . time will be deducted if not respected. >> congressman walsh you will start, you have one minute for your opening statement. >> thank you, business insider thank you, governor bill weld, it's an honor to stand on the same stage. let me start like this,the president of the united states will be impeached very soon . the president of the united states will deserve to be impeached very, very soon. let's cut through all the craziness. were going to spend the next
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hour, hour anda half talking about really important issues. climate change, trade, what's goingon down at the border let's be clear . this is about trump . this is about that guy in the white house. i wouldn't be standing in front of you, i wouldn't be standing next to governor bill weld if donald trump wasn't president, donald trump is unfit. the lies almost every time he opens his mouth, he's a danger to this country, he cannot put anybody else's interest ahead of his own . i'm not debating bill weld, i've got all the respect in the world for bill weld. bill knows and understands what the problem is in the problem is an unfit president in the white house who took a divided country and is dividing it further. >> that's the time we got to bring the country together. >> governor. >> thanks to business insider and analysts, moderators fisher and lopez. it's a great thing you're doing. my name is bill weld, i'm running for president as a republican so what you need to know about me as i'm running for president?
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i think all you need to know is i'm a very relaxed, called person and like the congressman i'm comfortable in my own skin unlike certain other people. and you know, i'm not scared of anybody. i was head of the criminal division of the justice department but more to the point i don't thinkanyone else should be scared of anybody . i'm a great believer in releasing the energies of everybody in the policy and giving them all a stake in the enterprise of our shared product institutions. the congressman said it's no secret the president is seeking to divide us and it's really hateful. so my promise to you is if you elect me as your president, never again will you have to feel exhausted or tired on account of your governmentin washington that's supposed to be serving you . >> like you and thank you both. >> so gentlemen, slow news day.
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>> not much to talk about. except about two hours ago speaker nancy pelosiannounced she would begin impeachment proceedings against the president of the united states for the fourth time in the history of our republic . governor, i'll start with you. you have a message for mitch mcconnell who seems to be the largestimpediment to a smooth impeachment proceeding mark . >> i have a message and i work on the nixon impeachment as some of you know years ago. and it took the house eight, 10 months to get through the investigation before he even got ready to go to the senate and when impeachment is voted by the house and goes to the senate, the house appoints six managers or prosecutors tohandle it . they make the rules. mitch mcconnell doesn't make the rules so those people who think as soon as it goes to the senate mitch mcconnell can call a vote and get an acquittal run through that's not true. the house and senate take as long as they did proportionally nixon impeachment this would not be over until after the
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election. meanwhile cold hard facts, trumps enemies, cold hard facts from evidence under both will have been hammered out in those proceedings. i think it's a nightmare for donald trump and he has no way of stopping it for the election. >> thank you governor. congressman, do mitch mcconnell. >> mitch mcconnell and all the republicans, how disappointing because the owner well and i will say a bunch of things about the president for the next hour and a half and i guarantee most republicans on capitol hill feel in private exactly what we say publicly. this president, you read the mueller report five months ago. and you understand that this president obstructed justice , that he ordered other people to was clear when you read the mueller report this president believes he's above the law. i don't give a damn whatparty you are. no party should put up with that . this ukrainian thing today,
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this is just the cherry on top. so is it any surprise donald trump pick up thephone two months ago, called the president of ukraine and said you know what, i'm not going to give you this aid unless you dig up dirt on joe biden ? it's not a surprise because lynette, donald trump was it abc news told us re-months ago you take dirt from a foreign government. he deserves to be impeached and everybody should keep their boots on top of these republicans so that they follow their constitution. >> that's time of the next question is about this ukraine issue. and the fact the republican party has been silent about it. how should the american people feel about that, you can respond first. >> they ought to be upset. it's hard to be disappointed in donald trump anymore because this isn't a surprise. it's not. but these republicans, i was in congress eight, nine years ago . these republicans claim that
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they believe in the law. they believe in limited government, they believe in a restrained executive. the republican party establishment, i want to be careful what i say because i'm not lynette talking about republican party voters but the republican party establishment , they are a cold . they abandoned everything they believe in to worship this guy every single day. that should offend all of us and by the way the republican brand under this president is horrible. so i don't know why they're defending him, theyshouldn't . >> governor, you call this ukraine business quote, trees and pure and simple. >> i think the ukraine caper by the president is some commendation of treason, bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors but one thing that's clear is that it's grounds for removal from office. you have a sitting president essentially selling the results of an american presidential election in
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which he's a candidate in the rigging it in his favor against another candidate corruptly. and of the mueller report makes it plain that any activity the president takes, this president to benefit himself or his family politically or financially is a corrupt action and this suspending aid and immediately calling up the president and the saying do this to kill biden and meanwhile $400 million is no longer there, how stupid are we supposed to be? how stupid is the president of the ukraine so supposed to be? he knows what mister trump is saying to him and it's vastly illegal. >> i've got all the respect in the world for my friend bill weld, i don't want trump hung for treason. i just want him impeached. >> we will talk about hanging some other time. >> i'll go with that. >> were going to move on to the next question . okay, this is a family show.
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and to all, to everyone who has read or watch business insider, it is no secret that i am highly critical of the president but you guys are republican and he is the head of your party and he has delivered on republican mainstays like appointing conservative judges and cutting taxes. so i'll put this to you governor first, are you not concerned that running against the president could hand the white house to say, elizabeth warren? >> as governor i never met a tax cut i didn't like, i cut taxes 21 times and never raised them so i'm not going to criticize the tax code although it could have been more equitable but this president is not a fiscal conservative.he's gone along with these trillion dollar deficits every year i was right most fiscally conservative governor the united states and i was governor of massachusetts after three terms of michael dukakis that took some doing.
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but we simply can't sit still for this guy who is a disgrace to the office. almost every day congressman has said he commits some deed or other some word that makes it clear beyond any doubt that he's unfit for the office of president of the united states. i will the book on what was grounds for impeachment of the president when i was working on the nixon impeachment and every day the president transgresses that line. so no, we can't worry about the general election. all we can do is the duty that's staring us right in the face right now. >> congressman, think about it. president bernie sanders. >> i've been asked this question a bunch and is joe walsh going to weaken donald trump if he challenges him in a primary? yes. that's the point. i want to weaken them. i would like to beat him. i'm sure governor weld is the same way. i do not want him to be our
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nominee. i'm a conservative. you know that lynette. governor bill weld knows that, i'm a conservative. i probablyagree with bernie sanders on that many issues . there may be a few more issues i agree one with elizabeth warren that we have everything our founding, we have everything our founding fathers feared, i don't, how old or young you are in the white house right now. that's a hell of a lot more important than a tax cut for somebody like me. >> iq. now onto specifics of the trump administration. many republicans have praised the president the regulatory push around rules around the environment. the heritage foundation says trump administration rollbacks have saved the country $33 billion in regulatory funds. so let's hear from the
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president talking about that two weeks ago. >> workingwith republicans in congress , we/ 30,000 pages of regulations from the federal register. government will no longer try to micromanage every rain puddle and every drainage ditch on privateland . >> governor weld. is that something republicans should be excited about ? >> know it is not and regulations the president is rollback our regulations to protect clean air and clean water in the united states. i'm a lifelong environmentalist. i'm the republican party has a rich tradition and conserving our environment as theodore roosevelt started a national park service that goes all the way back to abraham lincoln. the clean water act and clean air act were enacted when richard nixon waspresident . mister trump is tossing that out the window in order to sway his unbelievable desire to do whatever might be
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beneficial to the coal companies and he's turning the country upside down because he wants if nothing else for the coal companies to like him. he's a very insecure individual who have to be like and added, that's what he had his cabinet after praising going around the room at the beginning but they deserve no credit for their d regulator efforts in the environmental area. the only other rags they rollbacks are the regulation designed toprotect little people in the event of another 2008 financial crisis. nice work mister president . >> congressman. >> like every issue we're going to talk about tonight it's a balance. the environment and small businessmen and women in this country . you talk to small businessmen and women in this country like i have open last eight or nine years, they've been more burdened by government regulations and a half taxes so it is a balance.
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we want to be good stewards of the environment. we want to acknowledge that climate change exists . my party too many people think it's a hoax but don't forget about those small businessmen and women all over this country who have been unduly burdened by government regulations over the years. where trying to find a balance. as gone too far? probably yes because pretty much with everything he goes too far. >> iq. once upon a time it feels like a long time ago, republicans used to care about fiscal conservatism. they used to care about the us budget deficit which is how much more the government spends and takes in in revenue. under president from the deficit has exploded to $1 trillion so congressman, i thought you were a deficit hot, that's how you came at the congress . >> nothing disciplines me more than this.
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this is why i went to congress years agobecause we're bankrupting future generations . we are bankrupting future generations in this country both parties to it and lynette, you're right. when obama was president of us republicans screamed and hollered every day about obama. increasing the debt and deficits. lynette is right, trump has increased the debt faster than barack obama did.think about that area trump has increased our deficit faster than obama has but let, all of my former tea party colleagues in congress, what do we hear from them? not a damn thing. again, one more example of the republican party now pays 50 to trump and they forgotten about every issue that they claimed to believe in. >> my motto when i was in office is there's no such thing as government money, there's only taxpayer money area why is everyone in
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washingtonforgotten about that. everyone not just donald trump but there's nobody looking out for the taxpayers . >> the dems want to raise spending but 10 percent on social programs, the republicans want to raise it on military so they demonized each other andraise enough money to get reelected , then they declare this special meeting to smoke a piece fight and agreed to compromise byraising everything 20 percent . it's a total disgrace and trump has raised it faster than anybody else. he had $1 trillion in month 10. his multi-your budget added $9 trillion. >> but you keep the trump tax-cut, i never met a cut i didn't like. >> across the board. you have to zero base the budget and not assume you start with last years appropriation. you have to measure outcomes instead of inputs which is how much money was spent last year. that should be irrelevant. there's a good program, increase it. it wasn't you. that's how you cut spending and i did . >> to add on to what the governor said, it shouldn't
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have been a tax cut for the wealthy which is primarily what trumps tax-cut was reedited should have been a payroll tax cut, that middle-class americans would have felt that the governor's right . republicans and democrats don't get this. we have a spending problem in both parties want to spend a lot of money. and you listen to the democrats, were going to spend a lot of time wrapping on to trump tonight but you look at the democrats and there are a lot of good things they want to do but they never talk about how much these things are going to cost. >> i'm going to give you another 30 seconds because congressman. >> i purposely said. >> congressman, governor. >> in terms of putting the budget, this still did what i did when i was in office. let's say you have a health program which avoids a lot of bad outcomes and delivers good savings in the health area, you might multiply that appropriation by 10 but if
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you have a bureaucracy that nobody can quite tell you where it came from, probably a relationship between some long dead us editor and some long equally dead chair of ways and means, you cut down to zero and that's where the big money is. you have to have the political will to do that and not say there's a bunch of sacred cows in the budget. no more sacred cows. >> so guys, this investment manufacturing is in a slump and central banks around the world are preparing for an economic slowdown . we here in the united states have already cut taxes and president trump has already pushed the federalreserve to lower interest rates which it did last week . how do you get the country on the right financial footing within the first 100days? what policy do you end ? >> one thing i would do is stop doing foreign policy and economic measures with taxes and just putting sanctions on
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everybody and tariffs. the president saysi'm a tariffs man . we tried tariffs with smoot hawley and they deepened the great recession.the president thinks it's paid for by china, it's not. it's paid for by american farmers and individuals who need to import something from china, steel or aluminum and everybody knows it. the trump thanks a car made in north america is made by either you theunited states or mexico , it's a zero-sum game. he doesn't understand the average car made in north america traveled across the us-mexico border 22 times because depending on the weight scale for that production so everybody makes out better with free trade and the united states always makes out faster because we have the highest productivity so we get the high wage jobs.
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>> governor, congressman. first 100 days, how do youfix it ? >> i'm probably going to say too much tonight and my campaign manager will scold me because i'll say too much that it's not about the issues, it's about trump . talk to anybody in the business community right now, talk to investors, talk to small businessmen and women. they don't know what trump is doing from our tower. this uncertainty that this president has unleashed, he wakes up every morning and you don't know who he's going to attack this week . you don't know what private business is going to go after . the uncertainty, the hour by hour where the heck is this president going has everybody in the business community on edge and so they're not investing.they're not hiring. this is where your slowdown is coming from along with what governor weld said, these tariffs are finally beginning to have an impact on the country and in the
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first hundred days i get rid of the tariffs and i wouldn't tweet crazy crap every morning. >> you heard it first, no tweeting in the walsh administration . >> i'll tweet but not crazy stuff . >> okay, some economists blame the slowing economy on drums trade war with china. president trump put tariffs on a slew of goods from washing machines tosoybeans . and while many americans disagree with trumps methods on handling this issue, they agree that the us relationship with china economically needs to change. so without tariffs, how do you change that relationship? you can go first. >> china keys, but they don't just cheat against us. 80 against the whole world and they've been doing it for a long time. so when comes from and what does trump do right away. he lays down and throw them tariffs against everybody and
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he goes china all by himself. and so who pays the price, we do. our farmers, smallbusinessmen and women and americans consumers . you've got deal with china, the mistake trump made as he does is out there on an island all by ourselves. instead of rallying the whole world, rallying a coalition, maybe getting us back in the transpacific partnership where we could have a coalition of countries that could deal with china. he's done all by himself and america has paid a price for that. you got to bring the world together to take on china. >> you signed dvd, what do you do mark. >> absolutely we join pdp in a heartbeat. i point out during the campaign candidate trump said we can't join the transpacific partnership would be dominated by china.
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he's so incurious and so ignorant about foreign affairs that he didn't know china is not a member of tdd. the whole idea was that we would have a consortium of 12 this is based nations, some in asia, some in the american without china so it would be our beachhead in asia. so no, and all the treaties is now scrounging around trying to get back to where he was at square one before you the 2015 deal with iran. i think the relationship with china has to be a complex one. where the two biggest players out there, e.g. i had i hope for when he came in but he has resulted i've almost as police and state owned enterprises and were getting our brains begin around the world and onintellectual property they are complete socks sob& . >> gentlemen, we're going to take a question from our online audience and this is about automation . according to a recent report,
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a quarter of us jobs would be disrupted by automation. nearly every occupation in the united states the affected. governor, i'll go to you first. what would you do proactively to deal with automation and the jobs that will be left due to it ? >> no one in washington we small president trump is doing the slightest thing about this and were going to lose 13 to 20 percent of our jobs in the next 10 years going to artificial intelligence and drones and robotics and machine learning and driverless vehicles which will take care of long-haul truckers but there's good news also. there will be replacement jobs with technical skills which would be higher wage jobs and those we lost so we got to plan how to get technical skills necessary but i ran the numbers here and it would be child's play. one third of a percent of the state budget and those displaced workers get free community college or postsecondary education acquire those skills.
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to govern is to choose and i chose as a governor and even without federal help the state could take care of that . it's like kind of a mini g.i. bill and it would be free for everybody like bernie sanders says: just before the displaced workers and you would get them higher wages and a happy ending in a more affluent society. artificial intelligence is going to create enormous wealth in the united states. is making everything more efficient? the federal government should take charge of harnessing wealth or the benefit of the system. >> punishment. >> i tried to be a memberof congress, it didn't work out . >> i'm sad about that. >> i want to be a governor. >> another weld is right. the government got to play a role but on so many of these issues i still believe in american ingenuity and american innovation area you're not stopping automation. it's not stopping and as the
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governor said it's a good thing. it's making the american economy more efficient and more productive. our manufacturing sector is actually a hell of a lot more productive and efficient with fewer workers know what this government doesn't need to do? help retrain those workers. you've got to keep the market going, got to keep the market changing. it will lead to good things butgovernments got to play a role at the american economy goes through the seminal moments where we like move from one industry to another. >> you buy what the governor is saying ? >> states can take care of it but the federal government's got to play a role here too. this is a major transformation in our economy this automation thing. the federal government along with state governments have got to devote resources to train all of these. >> thank you congressman. >> according to a recent kaiser poll half of
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republicans believe human activity is affecting the world's climate. republicans are also concerned about the environment . governor weld, you call yourself an environmentalist. what is your plan to win over republicans who denyclimate science ? >> my plan is to meet outcome necessary to avoid catastrophic climate change. that is to prevent global temperatures from rising more than 1.5 degrees centigrade to now and 2050. that's the injunction from the un framework and parish records and it's very simple. we have to put a price on carbon upstream at the wellhead for oil companies, the mineshaft for mining companies, at the loading dock for lng is being recorded. even agriculture will have to pay a bit but you put a price on carbon that has eased there to be a congressional statute and i think it's such a national emergency that this might be the rare proper exercise of emergency powers.
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>> you that argument willwin over republican voters ? >> it so clearly the right thing. the other thing is i say the democrats are baseless on the budget,they're doing inputs. my plan will cost 16 trillion . and in between they talk about how much they're going to spend . they don't talk about putting a price on carbon which will allow the market to lower the environment in the atmosphere . >> 'sclimate concern of yours? >> the republican party had better get on board or they're done. this is the issue that concerns most young americans and i don't want tosound like way too basic here but the party as not to acknowledge the fact that it exists . and too often republicans and this is an issue anthony where i've moved on. acknowledge that it's real. acknowledgeóand a half billion-year-old planet that
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climate changes and we've been on this planet for how long and clearly we're impacting this environment . just to get the republican party, i know it seems like a baby step but to get the republican party to acknowledge the obvious is a big step and if we don't have any, if we don't do this because this train is going that we won't even be at the table and i don't want , i have all the respect in the world for congressman aoc but i don't want a green new deal. i don't want the democrats coming in and just revolutionizing the whole american economy. through heavy hand of government but if republicans don't at the table and acknowledged it's a problem, that's going to happen. >> i'd like both of you to answer a simple yes, sir no question . would you rejoin the paraspinous records? >> no. >> immediately. >>. >> protecting coal industry jobs is a major part of president trump's campaign, let's take a listen.
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>> we ended the war on clean beautiful hole and we are putting it, you see it better than almost anybody, our coal miners, they're all back to work and they'regoing back to work . clean coal. >> cole does produce about a third of america's energy but it is a major contributor of greenhouse gases and according to the bureau of labor statistics jobs in solar and wind technologies are two of america's fastest-growing occupations . under your ministration with the future of america's energy the cold, green energy or something else ? >> it would be all about but it wouldn't be much coal. from a non-going to build the walland mexico's going to pay for it . when trump says stuff like that, you knew and he knows that the coal industry is dying in this country and it should be dying in this country cause it's being replaced by cleaner forms of
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energy. natural gas and nuclear. we lost 15 percent of our coal output two years ago under president trump. we're on track to lose 20 percent of our coal output this year. it's a goodthing. it should be replaced . it's dirty but it's an all or the above thing. we talk about a balance with every issue. balance our use of fossil fuels knowing that thefuture is renewable . >>. >> governor, >> there's no wrong for coal or oil, i say with a light heart is going to be just exhilarating not to be dependent on foreign oil. no room for coal or oil in our energy mix, it's going to be our renewables where i get off the green new deal bus is a couple of things. number one although aoc and nuclear in her first half, the beautiful peoplemade her take it out because it has ways . >> therefore it's dirty,
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therefore we are not going to embrace it. i think you have to embrace nuclear power, so do the unions of concerned scientists, some of the most responsible environmentalist. they should be 25 percent of our base. i think a lot of underpopulated counties would love to have mostly nuclear already, another nuclear plant. it's a big great neighbor. and i'm not talking about building a giant thomas on a barrier reef which is what they did at fukushima, i'm talking about essentially nuclear plants and i think they're the wave of the future. it's been done ineurope with great impacts so that! number one on the green new deal . >> sorry, that's time. >> i apologize to you congressman walsh. let's get back into it. a drone attack crippled saudi arabia's oil production facilities, has responded by deploying us troops and there are concerns of a hot war between iran and saudi arabia . how would you deal with the collocated us county relationship with them are.
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>> i would be honest with the saudi's. because republican, democrat after democrat president, republican president after democratpresident through the years have not been . iran is the biggest threat in the middle east, saudi arabia is no great guy either . so i worry about with these troops us getting further all in a region that we shouldn't get involved in . our men and women ought to be home from afghanistan by now. we support israel and we've got to do whatever we can to encourage that part of the world to move towards a democracy. but i don't like us placing resources in there, especially placing american troops and one final point anthony is trump, the trumpet ministration i think
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secretary of state mike pompeo said we're in this weird scary place where we don't believe what our own president says. about that. we don't believe what iran tells us, we don't believe what saudi arabia tells us but therest of the world doesn't believe what a united statespresident says . that's probably . >> how would you handle us saudi relationships. >> one of the thing that fred tells me is he claims to be a non-interventionist but he's also quick on sending those fruits. a couple months ago he said after a discussion withhis national security adviser i'm sending 5000 more troops to the middle east immediately . they never got there and he must've had a second thought for a third but he never said what it was for. i'm not quite clear why we're sending troops to saudi arabia to defend their oil supply. don't theyhave any troops over that ? i don't have a lot of weapons we sold them all. but maybe we should make sure they know how to apply those planes and apply those missiles but i just don't get. boots on the ground to another country or regime
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change or to correct something that we see in the other country thatwe don't like , that's the height of the lessons learned from the iraq war. we shouldn't do that. i agree with the congressman, archers could have been home fromafghanistan a long time . people say we can't bring them home now though it begs the question when? how about never, does never work for you because that's what they mean . >> i'd like to take a question from our online audience . the supreme court made same-sex marriage legal in all 50 states but according to public religion research, almost half of republicans oppose same-sex marriage. governor well, you sign one of the earliest laws legalizing same-sex partnerships, what you say to members of your own party who are still against gay and trans rights?>> you got to get with it, wrap your mind around that and i'm so sorry but i came out for lgbt rights before anybody said. i was by myself for 20 years
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on that. i uploaded the woman who wrote the opinionholding same-sex marriage is constitutionally required under the equal protection clause and the due process clause and it became part of the foundation for the us supreme court decision. i appointed a slew of lesbian judges , gays and lesbians to my cabinet i presided over the marriage of two gay members of my cabinet . so i'm what you call all in on this issue. one of the first things i did was appoint a commission on gay and lesbianyouth . we had a rash of suicides in central massachusetts as a result of bullying in our high schools. >> the record is clear, are you going to reach republican voters. >> i'll tell them things like a story about the gay suicide and relate stories of people who are including major piece want to know and like a great deal on the campaign trail. to say the most important thing in his life was decided by a 5 to 4 vote in the supreme court's . >> i have a question for you,
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last month the advocacy group the lad said you have usedthe power of your public profile to repeatedly attack the lgbt immunity . how do you respond to mark. >> for on your first question anthony, same-sex marriage is the law of the land. and how are we going to get republican voters to eventually embrace it? this is one of those issues where it's going to take time. and we have to let time play itself out. i think the answer for most republican voters eventually is the family. is over the next number of years seeing love same-sex parents. their kids. republican voters anthony, conservatives that i've spoken to for years on the radio value the family, the nuclear family, 800 and her family more than anything. i think as the months and years go by and they see that
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loving children can be raised by same-sex parents, this is one of those issues that will eventually move republican opinion . >> responded to the question if you receive the power of your public profile to attack a lgbt q community. >> i've use my profile to go after the issue and talk about the issue and try to find common ground. i'm a big supporter of anybody, gay, lesbian, or transgender . this is one of those issues though where when you've got strong-minded people on one side or another side pushing it , too hard for the american people, instead of trying to findan area of compromise . or instance being a to use whatever washroom facilities or shower facilities according to the sex you identify as, fine. people in america should have that freedom to do that but we got to think about the people say in high school
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situations, other students, 17 and18-year-old who may be uncomfortable with that . so find common ground. >> i'd like to ask both of you this question, a significant number of president from supporters to back him because of his willingness to say outrageous and offensive thing and in their view is a necessary reaction to an overly sensitive culture of political correctness . you agree with that perspective ?>> i'm fine. look. it's a great time to be alive and we are divided. i've been in the business of trying to break down political correctness or years. because i want on honest dialogue. i do a podcast back home: uncomfortable conversations with a black radio host from chicago. he's a black guy, i'm a white guy. we sat down for an hour and talk about these uncomfortable issues race and
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racism, helping black people and white people look at the police differently, how come black people don't like the republican party -mark we have these conversations because i abhor americans who don't want us talking about sensitive issues . i believe in free speech and i get really worked up when we tried to shut down anthony beach we don't agree with. and this political correctness, the cancel culture, use asaid something five years ago and now you can get a job , we're way too sensitive on that stuff. >> governor well, you agree with the many perspective up from supporters that he is a reaction to a sensitive culture ? >> i think that'sspot on for how he got elected, his most powerful line was i want to drain the swamp . like the congressman i've been known as politically incorrect perhaps because i spoke truth to power before it was fashionable but i felt the same way about the bureaucracy in washington. use to drive me crazy.
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my little diatribe about the president, you can tell don't get me started about bureaucracy area and that's what the president was, the current president, their candidate was talking about when he said he wanted to drain the swamp. >> training the swamp in the bureaucracy are different than pushing back on political correctness. >> i found it refreshing how politically uncorrected he was and i remember early going thinking he was the most refreshing of the candidates, at least he didn't stand around on one foot and praying his neck and look uncomfortable and with the other way from donald trump where he was standing. on the early going it was quite an appealing candidate. theproblem is we know a lot more now than we did three decades ago about how this is going to comport himself in office . >> a quinnipiac poll showed 70 percent of voters and half of republicans want congress to take action. you're on record saying he would loosen conversations. do you have any plan to address the violence in
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america ? >> under the gun by. there is no silver bullet to this issue. gun violence is down the last 30 to 40 years. crimes with guns, murders with guns, the numbers are all good over the last 30 to 40 years. the problem we have in this country is these mass shootings. there are a lot of things we need to look at and anthony, i am a big gun guy but here's what our focus should be on. we don't want anybody who shouldn't have done to have a gun and if i go to a gun dealer down the street and i want to buy a gun i have to get a federal background check. it makes sense to me that if i buy that same gun at a gun show i should have to undergo a federal background check. it makes the same sense that if you buy a gun online i should have to undergo the background check. in a similar sense that if i buy that gun from a friend across town i should have to
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undergo a background check. you can do things like that anthony and i think that will help but then we got to really take a serious look at mental health issues in this country. >> governor well, you have plans to address the issues? >> on a longtime prosecutor and i worked with the fbi unit that deals with serial murderers and other echoes and i think it's fair to say that the people committing these mass shootings art sickos so i'm pretty strongly would favor a version of these red flag laws that enable a coworker or family member to petition a judge and you can get in front of a judge in six hours in this country saying this guy has a history of violence, as exhibited violent tendencies, each carrying a lot around the list of people he like to kill, he talked about his admiration for osama binladen and spoken favorably of islamic jihad . these are trigger words and triggers date and get in front of the judge and see whether it holds up and if so
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this guy, usually these guys have six guns at home so take the guns away and by all means before something happens there. that is going to come a lot closer to solving your problem and other solutions which are aimed not at that population. >> we have to move on, sorry congressman. >> we are nearing the halfway point of the debate. we asked some republicans and independents what they thought of the republican party under trump and how it will look goingforward, let's watch . >> rallies like this one in new mexico were filled with energized voters with a staff of republican dreams when they want to barack obama in a landslide in 2012. that year the rnc was an autopsy on the republican party sing outreach younger
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and more diverse voters was a path to a come back. >> the party ended up taking a different approach because of donald trump. that nobody was expected at the time thank you very much president trump. >> the president has been credited or blamed for blowing up what it means to be a republican today. on the other hand, many have argued is not a cause but rather a result of among other things a schism between moderates and conservatives that had been brewing for decades. >> this is not the same republican party of the parents and grandparents. this is not the same republican party of ronald reagan. or even george w.bush. it has changed a lot .>> ronald reagan at a smallthing called let's make america great, that was , i don't like it as much. and he sure as hell didn't use it as much. we sold millions and millions of.
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now you go to a rally, everybody has the red hat, make america great again . >> any supporters are less focused on republican values and more focused on the man himself. >> i consider myself a trump i can more than a republican. >> its strong but voting for president trump is a lot. >> absolutelydonald trump over party . >> i think the way about president trump. >> not everyone sees trump success as a win for the party. >> there is no republican party. there's a trump party . republican party has taken a nap somewhere. >> the republican party as far as i can tell is gone, dead and buried and probably never coming back. >> republicans are focused on winning and right now trump has taken hold of the republican party. >> we are the party of the american worker, the american family and the american
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dream. >> the republican party is having a majoridentity crisis right now next maximum , let the republican party and discussed the day after the 2016 election. >> watching all of my former friends fall into line behind people who were as appalled as i was when trump was running forpresident in 2016, i can figure out who these people are red it's like the invasion of the body snatchers . i feel like thathad their brains sucked out and replaced trump in much . >> greg cheadle a republican voter was once picked out of a crowd at a trump rally. >> look at myafrican-american over here, look at him . >> he says he didn't mind at first. >> i just shouted out i'm here and so everybody around me burst into uproarious laughter because it wasfunny. if you were there, you would have been laughing yourself . >> but a steady stream of racist rhetoric eventually drove him away from the party even voting for almost 20
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years. >> i left the republicanparty because i was up with the way they were treating others were not white . >> today he is running for congress in california as an independent . >> challengers say the president's tendency to live and his cavalier approach to issues like trade and diplomacy are their main motivations . from supporters argue that while his style is on his actions signal a return to the party of ronald reagan. >> the insistence on conservative judges, the tax cuts. the peace through strength. i was there in the white house when reagan met with gorbachev. and here was the leader of the big bad soviet union come to town and i think that every time i seetrump with kim jong-il. >> jeffrey lord who has appeared on television religiously depending from . >> if i thought you were a racist i would never have been there. >> he believes the president hasbeen true to the pillars of the party . >> you should believe in
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limitedgovernment, small government. tax cuts . other social issues i think the whole pro-life thing had been melted into the republican party . >> are many republicans who have spoken out against the president it's been a question of the man himself. even for those who eventually fell in line behind him. >> i want to talk to the trump supporters for a minute, i don't know who you are and i don't know why you like this guy really is a race baiting deal public religious big . >> he'splaying the members of american public for suckers . he gets a free ride to the white house and all we get is a lousy. >> will donald trump's approach him elected a second term ? >> weather trump and we got another electoral victory this is a path towards political suicide or the republican party because if you look at the changing demographics ofamerica , this is going to be a majority minority country by the 2040s and if you are identified as the party of white racism,
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you are not going to be successful in a majority minority country. >> olson president trump has become the republican nominee but experts say the democratic challenger will need to look behind his face. >> trump campaign cannot just when the people who voted for them or supported them in 2016. they will lose . they have to take people who never voted for him before, never would have considered voting for him and moving them over.>> challengers believe they can appeal to the voters donald trump has alienated. the question is how? >> welcome back. joining me not the moderator desk is henry like this, welcome. >> hello gentlemen, looking forward to my time with you but for now you're in mister
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fisher's good hands. >> governor well, when was walls announced his candidacy you said you were thrilled others were doing the fight for the republican nomination but even the most optimistic pulling as you at 16 percent match up head-to-head with president trump . it's virtually impossible for you to win the republican nomination so how do you see a path to victory? >> i'm ahead of where john mccain was in his two insurgent campaigns which were successful in winning the new hampshire primary. my strategy is to win the new hampshire primary, not to place as pat buchanan did and even so not george bush 41 office pins and led to his eventual defeat. there are five times in recent elections a sitting president has had a primary within the party. all five times that president lost, not in the final but they were weakened and they lost in the general election or else withdrew but i go into diners and shake 200 hands at a time in new hampshire and i get between
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two and 10 trump voters out of 200 people whose anti-shake their so there's some disconnect between the poles with a type screen that are focusing on republican state committee and its hangers on and those who voted in the last five public and primary elections and i'm reaching out not to those republicans but to millennial's and women and unaffiliated voters, independents, particularly in the crossover state and four of them pretty early on, new hampshire,massachusetts, vermont and wisconsin . it's a different strategy. >> congressman walt, your polling lower than governor well read what is your path to the nomination. >> how get an answer but i've got to start there let's be clear. let's not mince words . will trump isa horrible human being . only a very broken political system and a very divided country would produce that. but here's the thing about that . donald trump has not added
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one new voter in 2 and a half years, not one newvoter . he's got a devoted base of about 35 percent of this country but he's going to get beat if he's the nominee in november any democrat will be him. >> but how do you begin? >> here's how i beat him in the primary? when i say donald trump is a horrible human being, when i say i'm tired of his,, i'm tired of his bs, i'm tired of the ugly tweets and the division every day, when i say that publicly like i do as a candidate every day, i fully believe most republican voters privately believe that. the objective of this campaign anthony is to get them to come out and say publicly what they believe privately and let's not forget what happened today, the president going to be impeached. this is just beginning. >> thank you congressman.
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i like to give you both 32nd for a follow-up. washington post found 30 percent of congressional republicans in office when he was inaugurated have retired, or lost their seats. that's a lot of turnover for a party that controls the white house. you think the republican brand is irreparably damaged? >> i think it's damaged and the president has no plans to help his fellow republicans. if you look at the actionsyou take and he made it impossible for republicans to run in suburban districts . he's looking for an electoral 270 electoral votes for himself and he doesn't care what happens to the republicans and their spending the entire year defending him which is what they did with max and when he was lying to the american people and then it turned out nixon was lying and all those republicans were defeated by a mile. they were blown away the next year and i think they're going toget blown away in 2020 those congressional republicans . >> the republican party brand sucks and it sucks because of
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him. young people can't stand the party brand, women can't stand a party brand, people who live in the suburbs can't stand it and people of color can't stand the brand and as long as donald trump is their brand will suck . that's what it so important for people to challenge him in the primary now. so that we can plant our flag and say this is not who we are. >> you said that the turning point in your support for president trump came after he met with vladimir putin in helsinki, he was widely criticized for siding with a foreign leader over his own intelligence agency, also allocated allies in nature and a lot of people think is completely up in the world war ii international order. as president would you pick up us foreign policy with from has left off. >> one correction, helsinki wasn't the turning point for me, it was the final straw. it was the final straw with trump when he stood in front of the world and said i like that guy, i believe putin and notmy own people. i say often ,in fact i say
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everyday donald trump is a bit . i believe that area i believe that because he can't tell the truth but more importantly i believe it because he is incapable of thinking or caring about anybody but himself . so it doesn't matter about american security, he'll sit down and have a summit with kim jong-il and no matter how brutal that guy is. donald trump get a photo, it doesn't matter if it's a bad thing to invite the talent and to camp david as long as donald trump get the nobel peace prize. we got a president who can't what the country's interestsi have ours. we need a president who will put the country's interests first . >> governor well, how would you ? >> i kind of agree, i do definitely agree with russman walsh. we have to remember the president is a sick man. even malignant narcissist,not
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happy unless other people are losing . even megalomania, totally wrapped up in hisown head. he filled with fear, he said with a trip , offload his anxiety as soon as he wakes up which is where the to come from. he has profound autocratic tendencies and he's going to be on the man on the white horse that's going to save us all. >> .. >> .. file with iran from 2015, transpacific partnership. i understand that the uses of military power are self defense but also keeping the ceilings in the airlines open for free trade among countries. he doesn't even believe in free trade. he doesn't any conception about foreign policy. >> iran in the 2016 candidate.
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vouch for the character of hillary clinton. a lot of voters said they were voting against her instead of voting for president trump. now you are running as a republican again. >> call mike i see them. i've known her for a long time and i don't think she's a crook. nobody was standing up for her. nobody. maybe one person. i thought that was kind of odd. i've known her for a long time and i've known her to mentor a lot of people. i said i would vouch for her personally. it was not a political endorsement. but that is why i did it and i would do it again because i think it's only being honest. trying to rescue someone from a bully. i despise bullies. >> thank you governor. according to a kaiser poll from this month more than half of americans have a positive view for the medical obama care.
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congressman how would you ensure that all americans have access to healthcare. >> if i'm elected president, the issue i would start with, there is no more important issue than this. we got the american people living longer and longer and longer. that is a good thing. but how we pay for the healthcare for all of these americans who are living longer and longer and longer, neither the republic party or the democrat party want to talk about that. and you've got democrats out there, well-meaning democrat staying medicare for all. have the government do everything. got republicans out there staying, nothing. because they are afraid to talk about healthcare. it would be the issue i'd want to lead a discussion on. student but what would you do. >> is the issue, we had to take care of and make sure the people in need in this country and those people with chronic healthcare conditions, are
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always taken care of and never have to worry about their healthcare needs. the rest of the american people need to begin paying for the day to day healthcare cost. and then look at things like universal catastrophic coverage. >> thank you, governor wells, who during menstruation work to make sure that americans have access to health care. >> health savings accounts. they can set money aside on their tax advantage. instead of having government mandating that everyone has to have a catholic plan. people do make things like this all of the time. they will have the premium go down, people make their decisions to buy prescription drugs in canada. to buy insurance across state lines, which are not allowed to do right now because of the government. side one is getting on the role of government and the affordable care act in place more decisions in the hands of patients and their dodgers on how people make
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their own health care decisions instead of that all come from a federal bureaucracy. >> thank you. >> and i jump in. this is really important. nobody talks about how much this is ever going to cost into the young in the audience, your country right now is almost $23 trillion in vet. i will be long gone. i'm not going to pay that back you know. this country his got to have an honest discussion about how we pay off our debt. thanks much congressman. according to the research, about half republicans feel that immigrants hurt the country. why the democrats democrats feel like their helping us. >> immigrants made this country great, his melting pot, donald trump which is it worked a minute nothing but. i want to wish you a lot of luck on that. i think the whole canard about these 11 million people, they do want to be citizens.
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they don't want to be citizens. a lot of them are people who overstate their visas, by one week. so the whole thing is the scare tactic by president trump. in order to stir the pot and have people ate him. you want people to hate. like big brother. 1984, he wanted everyone to hate. he was beamed hate into their heads. trump started with the muslims, he went on to hispanics and he went on to people of color. noise has to have someone to hate and pure politics and it is the lowest kind of low. to say he is divisive is an understatement. now steve, bannon, is there, said if he's reelected reelected, any payback. payback for what. this guy is unhinged. >> the governor his site. for trump it is just a scare tactic for it but listen to me, for the american people it is a real issue. people in this country illegally
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and when we do about it. it is a real issue. are we a sovereign nation and we do have orders are we going to defend those orders. it is a real issue. a scare tactic to a lot of americans. the governors right when it comes to people coming here illegally, the more the merrier. it should matter and doesn't matter what your color is. it doesn't matter what your creed is, it doesn't matter what country you come from. none of that matters. we we will you if you want freedom and opportunity. when it comes to people in this country illegally, and people who come here illegally, again that is another issue where republicans and democrats have to find a solution because you at the border right now, texas and arizona right now it is easy to say right here in our manhattan studio that we don't have a problem with illegal immigration. live on the border for a month. it is a real issue that impacts americans. neither party is prepared to talk about it. >> thank you congressman. >> elegant gentleman prayed
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immigration. let's do a follow-up. on that, at a rate debt. the difference between publicans and democrats. i if all this issue of 11 million people. >> we both got to give. i have a reputation that is a pretty hard line immigration. so i've got to give. i want my borders secure. i want our laws followed. but we've got 11 to how many people in this country illegally. we got almost a million dreamers who are here from no fault of their own. both sides have to come together and give a little on this issue. it's not getting better. there has to be a trade-off. between border security and dealing with the immigrants who are here in the big problem with the border right now is this. assign them issue. the something we've got to move on a lot. nicholas come back to that in a second. wells, how would you do this.
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>> all of the people who are worried about the immigrants. be in our midst, they deserve to have a secure southern border. that is not rocket science. all of the exit or say what you really need to do to secure the mexican border is more people and more drones. you need more judges to handle asylum cases and you need more people to process the refugees and regular applicants coming in from el salvador and guatemala and honduras. that is what all of the expert say that's what we need and is probably not as expensive as a 200-mile long wall. everything else is he easy. once everyone relaxes about the immigrants. trump is just a demigod and he did just a great disservice to this. all he talked about was a wall in mexico that is going to pay for. it is so much more collocated than that. >> question for both of you. ices of a situation. president trump his hard-line stance immigration. extremely popular with his supporters. as part of what got him elected.
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shocked americans and the world. detention and limited and separating families, how would you solve the actual crisis now on the southern border. >> the distinction that president trump won't make politically is people across our border and enter illegally to come into this country illegally, and people come here legally, to claim asylum. if a right from anywhere on this planet to come to our country and claim asylum. those people we need to treat humanely. those are the people henry, that is governor well said, we've got to adjudicate their cases a heck of a lot quicker. keep the family together. most of the people who claim asylum, especially when they are given a lawyer. i bet most of your audience doesn't know that if you come here to claim asylum and it takes two years or more to adjudicate your case.
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but most of these folks when they are given a lawyer, they show up for their hearing. we just gotta devote the resources and money resources for more judges down at the border and it shouldn't take two years. it should take two months. >> is that your solution. >> yes it is. many former people. in border agents. and fails to catch the bad guys. across the soccer field at tijuana. and the coyotes who prey on people coming across the soccer field. >> another question on immigration for both of you. congressman walsh, you raised this issue earlier. younger voters tend to lead lay more liberal. more inclusive and they voted in record numbers in the 2018. back in 2012, the republican party itself, young voters are increasingly rolling their eyes at the what the parties represent. would you presumably want to appeal to younger voters. how do you get them to do that.
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>> it's even worse now. sometimes i just feel like an old guy. no like i want to talk to americans in their 20s and 30s. because they have got issues that really interest them like climate change like the lgbt community and immigration that they care deeply about. in our party right now, is so tone deaf. i think we've got to be and frank and be wheeling to die. one of the big problems with the republican party my party is that is gotten so much worse on him is that we don't dialogue with minority communities. we don't dialogue with the lgbt community. we don't know how to talk to young people. immigration is the big issue. as long as we have a border henry, that border needs to be secured. that message needs to be conveyed to young people that the republican party it's not to understand that we've got to be a lot more humane again especially with a population like the dreamers who came here
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through no fault of their own. >> i'll give you another reason why we need to lighten up a little bit on our anti-immigrant rhetoric. particularly in the lovefest of the country. i spent a lot of time in texas and was in the last cycle. you could not populate, you cannot staff either the agricultural industry the construction industry either in texas or anywhere west of texas in this country all the way up to the border that went out yes, those brown people coming across that infamous mexican border. to supply the necessary labor. and it's going to happen one way or the other. for those industries are going to shut down in the west. the business of america, is by and large white pro- immigration for this reason. canada has a very robust guest worker program that allows on top of the table, allows many people to come in and work for four months and they send remittances home to mexico but
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also guatemala and el salvador and honduras. a couple of countries of origin and then they go home after four months because they want to be with their families. they don't come here by themselves. that went out the family and stay indefinitely. that is usually successful program we should have one like it. >> the president of united states two months ago told for brown skin congresswomen to go back to where they came from. now is it any surprise that most of people think the republican party is anti-immigrant. most are publicans i know and i are not anti- immigrant. their anti- illegal. these are trump and a lot of republican rhetoric we have done a lousy job of conflating that. >> following up on that congressman walsh, you sported back in 2016, make america great campaign. he said racist things in the past, you call president obama a muslim. as recently as last year. how do you persuade republic and
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voters, young voters in america to trust you. the people who fear trump his races. >> i helped create trump. i went to washington 89 years ago and obsessed with the fact that we are bankrupting future generations. i was part of that tea party wave. focus on the issues but plenty of times over the past seven or eight years, i got lost of the issues. and i engage. like many of my tea party, it's dead, i engaged in personal eight full rhetoric. some of which henry, i've gotta live with. the whole rest of my live. and knowing that i helped create trump. may be a lousy thing to say on tv but i'm going to say it. maybe a reformed gang member, or reformed outlaw like me, sorry helene, who understands henry, some of what i did and what we did to create trump, can help
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bring the country together and heal the divide. >> governor wells would you like to respond to that. >> if my wife thinks your hard jesse james, she may want to run off with you. [laughter]. i love working with the congressman. his head is in exactly the right place about the present and the future of politics in the united states. >> switching topics. it announces respective fake news and enemies of the people. from trump. even blasted fox news as quote not working for us anymore. everybody gets frustrated by thinking alike including me. but if repressed, is part of our constitution and a cornerstone of our democracy. congressman walsh, you know in the media now. what you think of president
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trump his attacks on the media and how will you handle your own frustrations of the media in your if you know president. >> what is it come from. he it's not a present. donald trump doesn't think of himself like a president. he is the dictator. he doesn't respect the first amendment. he doesn't know the first amendment is. can we just be real. come on dictators henry speak that way. the enemy of the people. this it's not unusual at all. agnes, i get it. the media is is it too liberal and is it too conservative. i understand talk with that. before the president of the united states to have declared war on cnn and business insider and the rest of the media, is a paulette to everything would be leave in america. no matter who the next president is, their job is going to be unite as with our allies. unite americans at home. unite different numbers of the
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media. this guy took a divided country and he has held bent on dividing it even more. if i am elected president, i'm going to try to unite us. >> governor wells. >> amen to the emphasis on unity. i think that when the president said a free press is the enemy of the people, is straight out of the handbook and the playbook of the mussolini and adolf hitler. many of dictators through history. it is sent a chill down my spine that he is given so many conditions that he wants to dismantle our democratic institutions including free and fair elections one by one and knock down all of those trees and other will be no resisting him. it is very clear that what's in his head. this book and the greatest speeches of adolf hitler. it. forty-two testimony of his first divorce . trial, one of his favorite books. he is just way out there.
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i think we have begun to see in the last two months, and coming unglued. and it's time for him to be removed. this was going to save us all. it's not going to be donald trump. it's going to be the absence of donald trump. >> the president is an employee. all of us. and there is a room in the right white house which is to be used for press briefings. with the current president decided to cancel press briefings because apparently according to the new press secretary, he was annoyed at some of the questions. as president, when both of you commit to using our collective room in the white house? >> the correspondence there yes. [applause] >> henry, he is the child. if you say something nice about him, he likes you. if you don't, he doesn't.
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look i am pretty darn outspoken. i love speech, i believe in total transparency. i will invite the media to the white house all of the time. >> thank you both. we appreciate it. unless question of the evening and then will go a closing statement. you both have made very passionate in telling arguments why this country should effectively funnel and elect donald trump. and nominate and elect you. you have a problem. in a recent speech, president trump bragged about the loyalty of the supporters. let's listen. >> with the greatest face, i believe in the history of politics. or i wouldn't be here. with all of the things i've done, they never wavered. can you believe it. anybody else, they be down to 2 percent right now. >> president trump even famously joked that he could shoot somebody in fifth avenue and lott lose any voters. they seem to have a point.
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no matter what he says or does, his approval ratings does not seem to not much much below 40 percent. congressman walsh, what is your plan to break through that. what one of our views called blind devotion to present trump. >> trying to convey two things. this country cannot handle four more years of his bs. the country will be in danger. and henry i firmly believe, deep down, most republicans know that. they are afraid to say it. they need an alternative. the other message or want to convey to republican voters this next year is, donald trump hasn't done squat for you. he hasn't done anything. the governor talked about he was going to drink this fall. he is the swamp. to most corrupt president we've had in this nation his history. all is he done is enrich
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himself. on two golf courses, members of foreign government status hotels, and middle-class americans, who put their faith in him, in wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania, these tariffs, are killing them. in it for the first time now we are beginning to lose manufacturing jobs in michigan and pennsylvania and wisconsin. this guy hasn't delivered. this may come job. >> thank you. governor wells, you have lichen present trump to the emperor with locals. we sell it earlier. that is a reference to a fable about a leader parading down main street, wearing nothing but his birthday suit. and he is so brainwashed his subjects that everybody thinks he is wearing beautiful calls. how do you plan to show republican voters. >> he does have pretty strong support among a segment of the electorate. somewhere in the 30s.
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between 30 and 40 percent, i tend to think that's going to drop. certainly not going to grow. it's not a majority. assigning close to a majority. very hard for me to see how he can recover and grow that bay city has to win the election. beyond that, i think it's going to be a tough six months and 12 months for the president. part of because he is being called in the carpet now. through the impeachment process. they're going to be daily in very bad news for him. the house it's not going to go out of its way either in the house or in the senate. to gild the lily there. they're going to say exactly what donald trump has done and what it's done to the american people. that will be a political brief you will and is going to be hard to read disregard. it's going to be on page one of the newspapers every day between tomorrow and the election. in 2020. i think he's got a hard road ahead of him. >> thank you both. before you today spate, we
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invite you both to give a closing statement. explain why you should be president. in one minute. >> i want to thank business insider, this is really great for both of us and i think for the country. you have seen tonight from both me and the congressman, that there are tried-and-true republican conservatives policies that we would like to see deployed by the party in washington. it could be conserving our financial resources as with the budget. conserving our precious natural environment as with climate change. could be conserving with dignity of all americans which mr. trump wants to undermine. and what minority group you belong to. most important for my.of view, concerning the precious individual liberties. of all americans. i think congressman i would like to see those adopted by the
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republican party. it is a right of center country. were not left like many of our european friends and i think this has been a terrific evening. semi closing wishes from this night forward, let the dialogue continue. >> thank you governor. [applause]. >> i and where i began. a very broken political system put a horrible human being in the white house. an absolute horrible human being. we can do better. we have to do better than a president who tweets ugly insults every morning at the american people. we have to do better than a president who lies to us every time he opens his mouth. we gotta do better than a president who has zero respect for the rule of law. this guy can't get reelected. bill and i have said that he is destroying the publican party.
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four more years of him, this country is in danger. i believe most republicans feel as i do about trump. what i am trying to do is to get them to be brave enough to come out and come public with what they know. if you are wheeling to be brave, then say man, i feel this way about trump. i am tired of the bs and i'm coming out. go to joe walsh .org. and be brave. governor wells, thank you this is this is insider you rock. thank you back [applause] >> that concludes republic get primary debate. i'd like to thank you both. governor bill walsh, congressman joe walsh. thank you for watching us on facebook enjoyed as a business insider .com for more coverage of all of the 2020 races and we will see you tomorrow for another episode of business insider today. [applause] ♪
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