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>> next, senate committee looking at affordable housing and safety concerns. one of the issues deals with the need for carbon monoxide detectors in all affordable
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housing units. senator mike crapo of idaho chairs the banking, housing and urban affairs committee. >> this hearing will come to order. today, the committee will receive testimony from leaders in the housing community on bipartisan opportunities this congress to expand access to affordable housing, to improve the safety conditions within current federally-assisted housing, and to consider how we might better target some of our existing housing resources to meet unaddressed need. welcome to our witnesses, and thank you for taking the time to be with us today for this important discussion. joining us today are ivory mathews, interim executive director of the housing authority of columbia, south carolina; mark yost, president and chief executive officer of the skyline champion corporation; and peggy bailey,
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vice president for housing policy at the center on budget and policy priorities. for purposes of today's hearing, we are focused on examining three bipartisan pieces of legislation in particular that have been introduced in the 116th congress. this includes s.2160, the c.o. alerts act, which was introduced in july by senators scott and menendez and has the support of five republicans and five democrats on this committee; s.1804, the hud manufactured housing modernization act, which was introduced in june and has five bipartisan cosponsors, including senators cortez masto, scott, cramer, and smith; and h.r. 4300, the fostering stable housing opportunities act, which has bipartisan interest in the senate and is moving quickly through the house of representatives on a strong bipartisan basis. the c.o. alerts act would require the installation and
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maintenance of carbon monoxide alarms in most forms of federally-assisted housing, in any dwelling unit containing a fuel-burning appliance, fireplace, furnace, or enclosed garage. currently, the majority of federally-assisted housing programs have no such requirement, despite similar requirements in 37 states and the district of columbia. at least thirteen individuals living in federally-assisted housing have died due to carbon monoxide poisoning since 2003, including four in the past year. in april, secretary carson announced that hud would undertake a rulemaking process to establish such a requirement across all of hud's public housing and rental assistance programs. the bill would also require the hud secretary to provide guidance to public housing agencies on how they can better educate tenants on health hazards in the home. the hud manufactured housing modernization act would provide confirmation to state and local jurisdictions who receive hud
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funding through programs like the community development block grant or home investment partnerships program that manufactured housing is an eligible affordable housing option for which communities can receive public funding for construction and repair. in other words, local jurisdictions would have a broader menu of options available as they seek to meet the unique affordable housing needs of their community. the fostering stable housing opportunities act was advanced unanimously out of the house financial services committee in september, and awaits floor consideration. it would authorize hud to allocate vouchers under its family unification program more directly to any public housing agency that requests an allocation in order to provide timely assistance to an eligible youth who is aging out of foster care and at risk of losing their safety net overnight. the bill would also extend the length of a family unification voucher by up to 24 months for eligible youth who are either
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participating in hud's family self-sufficiency program, working towards a degree, or are participating in a career pathway. these individuals would also be eligible for any additional supportive services made available in connection with any housing assistance program of the agency that provides the voucher. i commend hud and secretary carson for their ongoing work on a number of the issues we will discuss today, including the forthcoming rulemaking on carbon monoxide alarms, and hud's new 'foster youth to independence' initiative. each of the three bills we are examining today have been thoughtfully put together, and have strong bipartisan support. i look forward to hearing from our witnesses on these legislative proposals and i also look forward to working with members of the committee to identify other items with bipartisan support in the affordable housing space and elsewhere. senator brown. >> thank you, chairman crapo. thanks for your contributions on
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these issues. i would like to start by taking a moment to acknowledge and remember the passing of one of our former colleagues, senator kay hagan of north carolina. this is a first drinks and she passed away. she served well on this committee in her six years in the senate, and i just want her family to know that we think often of her here mr. chairman, i've often said the housing part of this committee is name doesn't get the attention it should. today's hearing is important but small step towards getting affordable housing towards them giving to for the housing crisis we have in this country the attention it deserves. right now nearly 11 million households spend more than half their income on housing. that's one out of four people who rent have, seven of the ten fastest when chuck still pay enough to afford a one-bedroom apartment. it's not an urban problem.
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it's not a real problem. it's not a small city pub. it gets nearly every community in a great country instead of working to solve this crisis, the trump administration is making it worse, proposing deep cuts to the hud budget, dismantling fair housing protections, advocating for housing finances that would make mortgages more expensive, and harder to get. fortunately, members of this committee are taking some steps to address some of the challenges we face. as the chairman said we will look at this bipartisan legislation to address three unique housing issues, the hud housing modernization act increased by sarah cortez master and senator scott configurable. >> would require two m to consider major factor house as he developed strategic plans to adjust local housing and community development needs with federal grants, manufacturing housing, is home to 20 to nine people. it meets critical of the housing needs across the country. a lot of it in my state of ohio.
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senator menendez and senator scott co alert ask response to two tragic deaths from carbon monoxide poisoning in hud assisted housing early this year. no one, no one should have to fear that her home is going to poison her. their bill would finally require carbon monoxide detectors in all federally assisted units that have co risk to prevent more of these preventable deaths it would take a step towards ensuring everyone no matter their income can be safe. finally we'll discuss the need for a program to address the housing needs of young people accessing foster care across the country. 20,000 young people age out a foster care every year. think about the challenges that they face it all of a sudden you're on your own, you can have the same family safety net to fall back on that others may have. you would find find a job, trying to enroll in school pygmy face housing instability up to
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one-third come up to one-third, up to wonderful experience homelessness at some point during this transition period jeremy from hamilton county ohio cincinnati shared with my office he entered foster care at ten, age out at 18 with no permanent home. he entered college, found himself homeless during college breaks. imagine, imagine. jeremy persevered and became an advocate for others because no young people should have to experience what he did. ohio's foster care youth alumni and how i set it to solve this problem. they put forth the ideas the bacon the bipartisan fostering stable housing opportunities act so foster care alumni nationwide can have a place to call a home. this legislation has the support of 100 organizations and 50,000 current and former foster youth. congresswoman dean introduced is still in the house. this week senator grassley and i with a big assist from senator reed introduced this bill in the city. it provides additional resources and more tumors that encourage
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local housing and child welfare agencies to work together to serve our young people. this is just the first step. carbon monoxide isn't the only way people are poison in their homes. there are many health hazards in homes across this country, especially in old housing stock in places like appalachia and inner-city cleveland. there are severe housing shortages in urban and rural areas and indian country that we face expiring assistance contracts and thousands of affordable units in rural counties. we see a growing need for affordable senior housing options. we have to tackle this crisis from all sides. corporations frankly are not paying workers enough to afford a place to live. we need to great on the other side we need to create more safe affordable homes. i'm glad the word housing is making its way back into the title of this committee, send housing and urban affairs. thanks. >> thank you, senator brown. i'll indicate right now that i
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may have to leave to go to a vote in the judiciary committee on a markup we are holding. unfortunately we seem to double up all hearings quite regularly around here. i apologize at the outset fft step out rapidly. with that we will now proceed to the witnesses opening statements. i ask you to first of all, your written testimony has been entered in the record, and encourage you to each try to wrap up your initial comments in five minutes as we have a clock in front of you. what the senators have time for the questions i always remind my colleagues to pay attention to your five-minute time requirements as well. with that, ms. matthews proceed. >> chairman crapo, ranking member brown, and members of the committee on banking, housing and urban affairs, thank you for the opportunity to testify during today's critically
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important hearing in support of the c.o. alerts act of 2019. my name is ivory matthews and i am the interim executive director of housing authority at the city of columbia, south carolina,, found in 1937 columbia housing currently provides housing assistance to over 6000 families. i am here today to support the co alerts legislation. the bill assures families living federally assisted housing are safe by requiring carbon monoxide alarms in section 202, section 811, public housing public housing, and section eight housing in accordance with the international fire code. i would like to begin this testimony by honoring kalvin witherspoon junior and derek caldwell roper who lost their lives as result of carbon monoxide poisoning on january 17, 2019, at the public housing community in columbia.
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our deepest sympathies are with their families, and we are here today in memory of these individuals. on january 18, 2019, following the deaths of mr. witherspoon and mr. roper, over 400,000 tenets were evacuated from their homes out of an abundance of caution. an emergency relocation plan was implemented to secure replacement housing for the families and to minimize to the greatest extent possible the hardships faced by the families who were being terminally displaced. columbia housing worked diligently to assess and meet the individual needs of each family. all residents were offered the option of being temporarily housed at area hotels and until permanent housing was found. the health and safety of our residents remit our highest
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priority during this time. columbia housing part of the southcom association of social workers to provide residents with free behavioral health sessions that would help to offset day-to-day stresses associated with their emergency relocation. wraparound services were also provided by city and county governments to help with the associated costs and inconveniences like laundry service, transportation to places of worship, transportation to doctors appointments, food preparation and afterschool activities donated cash, gift cards, volunteer hours, goods and services were provided by area colleges and universities. ..
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to secure permanent housing in the open market in an effort to eliminate any rent burden on the family. all costs associated with the move were paid by columbia housing. we remain grateful for the outpouring of support received from the community and the south carolina on field office. additionally, the housing installed carbon monoxide detectors in its public housing units and required carbon monoxide detectors in privately owned section 8 units. visio alerts legislation would make it possible for other housing authorities across the country to do the same. moving forward it is the desire of the city of columbia and columbia housing to transform the community, built in 1939, the court consists of 244 townhome
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units and 26 buildings on the 15 acre site located adjacent to historically black educational institutions. college at allen university. unfortunately like many other housing authorities with older public housing property, we do not currently have the financial resources to move forward with the redevelopment of alan benedict court. today there is an estimated $70 billion backlog on capital needs for the public housing stock nationwide which continues to grow at approximately $3.5 billion per year. this backlog includes many health and safety items, additional funding isneeded to address these issues . chairman crepo, ranking member brown, members of the committee, i am honored to have had the opportunity to
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testify before the committee and provide perspective on the importance of co alert act of 2019. it is my pleasure to answer any questions you may have >> miss matthews, thank you so much. mister yost. >> thank you chairman crepo, ranking member brownand members of the committee . my name is mark yost, chairman of skyline champion. we have 65 years of home building experience with the manufacturing facilities throughout the united states and in canada. airline champion employs over 7000 employees and is one of the largest homebuilders in north america producing a wide variety of manufactured modular homes, rvs modular buildings. i hope your before you today on behalf of the manufactured housing institute where i serve on the board of directors and as vice
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chairman of nhi's national modular housing council. mhi is the only national trade organization that represents allstatements of the manufactured housing industry . manufactured housing is the largest form of unsubsidized affordable housing in the united states and the only type of housing built to federal construction and safety standards. today, 22 million people live in manufactured homes and in 2018 we produce nearly 100,000 homes or approximately 10 percent of single-family housing starts. while new site built homes are generally priced about $200,000, manufactured homes are often price over $100,000 . as a result manufactured housing accounts for 80 percent of new home starts under $150,000. my testimony today is focused on set built 1804, the hard manufactured housing
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modernization act of 2019 . mhi supports 1804 and coming senators cortez-masto and tester for coming together to introduce this bipartisan bill. the bill requires localities receiving cdbg home housing trust fund and the homeless fun to appropriately include residential, manufactured housing in their comprehensivehousing affordability strategies . and community development plans, also referred to as their consolidated plans. adoption of this legislation would break down barriers to affordable housing by increasing the focus on the manufactured housing. manufactured homes serve many housing needs across a range of communities from both rural areas tometropolitan areas . unfortunately what we see nationwide is a growing number of state and local restrictions that discriminate against people
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and families who seek to dream of homeownership through manufactured housing. hud called attention to these discriminatory practices in its september housing natural reform plan noting and i quote, policies that include or disincentive eyes the utilization of manufactured homes can exacerbate housing affordability. and today's age we don't need to exasperate the problem of housing affordability, we need to solve the problem of housing affordability in the country.1804 is critically important to this and because localities elevator their cbdg and home funds which nationally are 4.5 billion per year based on the annual plans and in turn are based on the comprehensive plans done locally and incentivizing them to use affordable housing the best form of affordable housing in the country unsubsidized manufactured housing is critical to this. my written testimony includes other suggestions for the
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committee, overcoming zoning and land planning policies that limit or prohibit the placement of manufactured products . hud has preemption authority under the manufactured housing construction 80 standards act. this is a statutory mandate to intervene when state or local regulatory requirements are inconsistent with federal construction standards for manufactured homes. while hud occasionally uses its authority to pursue individual cases i would ask the senate encouraged on to better enforce its authority, this would galvanize its obligation to facilitate the availabilityof affordable homes . in closing i think thank the committee today for your invitation and providing me the opportunity to share ideas of how we can prioritize the importance of manufactured housing when it comes to addressing the shortage crisis solving the affordable crisis in the country. i you and look forward to answering your questions.
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>> miss bailey. >> thank you. >> chairman crepo, ranking member brown and members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify. i am peggy bailey, vice president at the office of budget and policy priorities, a nonprofit policy institute that conducts research on a range of federal and state policy affecting low and moderateincome families . we believe congress can take three steps to improve access to housing and supports. first, pass hr 4300, the fostering table housing opportunities act of 2019 which was recently introduced by senators brown and grassley and has the support of over 100 organizations representing over 55,000 alter you from across the country. this work has been
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spearheaded by foster action ohio, an organization led by foster care alumni who not only support the legislation but played a central role in the designing and drafting of the bill. second except the proposed funding increases in the family unification program targeted at foster youth that are included in both the house and senate 2020 appropriations bill. third, protect lgbt q youth from discrimination and ensure that access to housing and social services support. 75 percent of households eligible for federal rental assistance don't get it dueto limited funding . families may wait years to receive assistance and an overwhelming demand has caused most housing agencies to stop taking applications. youth in foster care are honorable and are at risk of housing instability. of the 400,000 or so children in foster care 20,008 out each year. these young adults often have
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limited or no familyfinancial or emotional support . they can struggle to continue their educationsor get jobs if they get jobs most of them do , they're often paid low wages some populations of these youth face additional burdens. black black or hispanic youth who are overrepresented in foster care may face racism and discrimination when trying to access housing, jobs and educational support and lgbt q youth are represented in the foster care system and face unique challenges job discoloration and trauma can be harder to overcome if they're uncertain about how they will report a placeto live . one for foster youth who are 21 report they been homeless at least once during the prior two years and as many as one in three experience homelessness by age 26. some state agencies with some federal funding and oversight stand in for parents who can't care for their children. evidence shows and i'm sure personal experience i many here today validates that most american parents
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contribute to their children in various ways including helping pay for housing, well past 18 and even 21. it is not unreasonable to think foster youth need similar help. young people who have left foster care are eligible for housing choice vouchers there is a severe shortage of vouchers overall. the department of housing and urban development makes a small bowl of vouchers known as family unification program factors available to state and local housing agencies that partner with child welfare agencies to help rescue but the geographic reach of vouchers is limited. only one out of every eight of the more than 2200 housing agencies nationwide are authorized to administer them and nearly 20,000 vouchers that are in use right now though to only 1000 former foster youth. understandably most vouchers go to family to help prevent the need to move a child from
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home foster care or to help families reunite with their children once their place in foster care. >> hr 4300 which housing financial services committee passed unanimously would make vouchers more effective for foster youth and as chairman crepo explained it would authorize hud to make vouchers available to every housing agency that now administers vouchers and once once to administer the doctors as long as the agency meet program requirements and funds are available, it would encourage housing agencies and child welfare agencies to connect youth to support that help them become independent and it would let you use their vouchers for up to five years which is two years longer than the current limit if they're working, engaged in educational support or meeting other requirements. it would provide supplemental funding for housing agencies to support their partners with child welfare agencies. in addition to passing 4300, congress should pass the $20 million increase in the house and senate versions of the 2020 appropriations bills to
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expand vouchers for risk foster youth. that would enable more than 2000 young people who have less foster care and are at risk of homelessness to live in decent stable housing. progress can also demonstration to withdraw the department of health and human services and hud proposed regulations to rollback equal access and antidiscrimination protections for lgbt q people . the proposed rule would put lgbt q people including young people generally in former foster youth specifically at risk of sleeping on the streets or taking dangerous gaps to access housing thank you very much for the opportunity to testify today and i would be happy to answer any questions you have . >> senator scott. >> thank you mister ranking member, good morning to the panel and thank you for being here on a very important topic . i'd like to take a moment to give a special thanks to miss ivory matthews for joining us
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today from my home state of south carolina. i commend her for her hard work and dedication to helping improve the lives of my constituents in south carolina, her amazing work in greenville to her addressing the tragic situations in columbia and i'm very confident that with her at the helm our families are in super hands. thank you for your expertise, leadership and your passion for helping those folds are most vulnerable in our society. the start of this year was one tragedy for our community in south carolina. i would like to honor calvin witherspoon junior and derek caldwell roper who tragically lost their lives and were sadly entirely preventable deaths. as a result of carbon monoxide poisoning, in january 17 of this year, this tragedy only galvanized might need to ensure we are committed to protecting our most vulnerable like calvin and derek and the 239 other families at allen benedict
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court public housing community in columbia. that is why i worked with my colleague senator menendez on finding a bipartisan solution to put a stop to any more deaths like those in south carolina, pennsylvania , oklahoma or virginia, michigan, indiana and tennessee. that's over 14 deaths from public housing across this country since 2003. working deaths too many. i also want to thank secretary carson and his staff for their commitment to addressing this problem and for moving forward with a $5 million grant program to help out public housing authorities to purchase co detectors. miss matthews, co poisoning can happen quickly and without warning resulting in entirelypreventable deaths . if proper measures are taken , we have a patchwork of
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state laws and regulations when it comes to carbon monoxide poisoning and in utah for example if a state that has seen a 25 percent increase in carbon monoxide poisoning since last year, the only new residential structures rated by the state residential code are required to have co detectors. how would a bill like seal alert help close the loophole nationally in our federal assisted housing when it comes to stopping this silent killer? >> thank you senator scott. the co alerts act will save lives . and the senate should pass this bill. especially since god has made it clear that it's waiting on congressional action. it is important for our industry that we have those mandatory guidelines that are in law so that no other
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housing authority or family have to experience the tragedy as we experienced in columbia south carolina . >> you for that. just to note that in the last two weeks, there were two instances of carbon monoxide poisoning in detroit. we have to find a way to stop this violent killer. lastly, i would also like to bring attention to center cortez-masto's bill i co-lead. portable homeownership can come in many forms, residential manufactured housing in one of those . this is a safe and affordable housing option for more than 22 million working families. south carolina, it is particularly important as nearly one of five homes are prefabricated. our bill would open the door for more affordable housing options out individuals and families across the country. miss yost: can you explain
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how manufactured homes fill an important role in providing lower-priced more affordable housing as that report indicates western mark . >> thank you senator scott and yes, south carolina is a very popular state for manufactured housing. as you know there's 376,000 manufactured homes in your state, that's about 20 percent of your homes are manufactured housing. i think what manufactured housing does is it allows us to supply anaffordable price point . the average site built home today is going for $294,000 excluding land. the average manufactured home is $72,000. it's a big difference when people are fighting for affordability every day so at the end of the day this bill, 1804 really allows us to spread manufactured housing across the country and gives people the choice of having an affordable option so that they can support their family . >> thank you mister yost.
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we want to thank the witnesses for being here today and for giving us important testimony that will help us help the most vulnerable in our society . >> thank you senator scott. >> questions for miss matthews and ms. bailey, starting with you. i appreciate the number of you mentioned on the panel and i asked the fostering state law housing opportunities actthat senator grassley, senator reid and i are working on. you outlined the challenges facing youth who age out of foster care . walk me through again what this bill will mean for young people aging out, why it makes their lives better. >> housing as we know for anyone is the foundation to be able to go to school, work and lead a healthy life. given these youth often have low wages it makes that affordability gap bigger for them. without this housing they
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could have years spent homeless or even worse, maybe in jail or in prison and other bad outcomes that we know happen when people are at risk of homelessness so this bill would give youth that first step in being able to have a safe, stable place to live so that they can build their futures. >> you had mentioned the challenges facing lgbtq young people. how willthis help them overcome some of the immense challenges they face ? >> just like with youth in general, they face, housing will play a huge role in being able to make those first steps as they enter into adulthood.lgbtq youth, black youth, hispanic youth who are all overrepresented
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in the foster care system are overrepresented in homelessness, overrepresented in jails and prisons and face disparities when trying to access health services. housing plays a huge role in being able to reverse all of those poor outcomes and this bill will give them that assistance that they need to avoid those challenges in the future. >> thank you. miss matthews, we know that fewer than 300 public housing agencies have access to current vouchers that target foster youth. how would abill like this be used in your communities ? >> in our community, we partner with south carolina department of social services and many nonprofit organizations that house individual youth that are currently in foster care and
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for many, many years it's constant struggle to help find housing resources for those families because we don't have the dedicated resources available like what will be approved in the bill that miss peggy mentioned. and i think that's it's tremendously important to have a bill like this passed in law and for us to have the resources so that we can help those families, those youth transition and stabilize their lives. housing is the first part of being able to stabilize their lives because of the transition into adulthood so we certainly supported and it would be beneficial in our community. >> to follow up on that miss bailey in this way, we know what an important social determinant health and stable housing can be. we know people, low income people and people of color,
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their infant mortality rates are higher, theirmaternal mortality rates are higher, significantly higher . give your background at the intersection of housing and health. talk about how stable housing impacts people'shealth . >> i think it's important to in thinking about health to think about not just someone's physical and primary health needs but also their mental health and substance abuse as a disorder and disease to , that housing helps people be able to access a doctor. if they have a chronic health condition it allows them to store theirmedication , to have accessto healthy food . housing and just the stability of knowing that you can pay for your place to live and avoid homelessness is a comfort that so many families aren't able to have.
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i think last week in people experiencinghomelessness , they're exposed to severe weather, can't take care of infections and have to and can't, and must stand in line at shelters in order to be able to have access to that shelter and therefore can't engage in a lot of services and therefore work so housing is a foundation for everything that we think about when it comes to improved healthcare and also we know that people experiencing homelessness access emergency room care and are overinstitutionalized which is expensive for the health care system . without access to housing, all of these poor outcomes are experienced in the healthcare system . >> senator ross. >> thank you mister chairman and i want to thank our witnesses for agreeing to testify before the committee
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today and i'd like to thank my colleagues on both side of the aisle who wrote the legislation we are considering at today's hearing and before i begin my questions i'd like to take a moment to point out the fact that it's now been 534 days since our last markup in this committee which was only considered legislation modernizing the process . if you go all the way back to the last nonsecurity bill which was at 2155, it's been 689 days. that's nearly 2 full years. this is particularly unfortunate because there are a lot of bills being discussed on both sides but i really think republicans and democrats could agree on and when it comes to housing affordability, it's been challenging to find a bipartisan approach that we can get to to actually make the major changes that are necessary if we want to fix what's going on in fha. i truly believe that reform of the federal housing administration and the way it
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operates within god is critical but it's going to take a bipartisan effort. everyone here is well aware of the fact that the fha is broken and yet at this stage of the game we have yet to be able to come to a bipartisan agreement on how we want to fix it so i would challenge all of us once again to look if we want to make changes, it's going to take a bipartisan effort to get it done and i would be more than willing to work with any member on either side of the aisle to find that step forward . i guess we also have to be honest as we look at the bills before us today which are important ideas that i think should move forward through the market process but they're only going to move the needle so far. if we really want to make housing affordable for the long-term, we have to tackle the tough issues confronting us on the fundamental housing finance reform. the thought of congress coming together so to solve major problems doesn't haveto be a foreign concept .
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if you take a look at most of our states, south dakota as an example in a matter of 40 days and 40 nights the legislature works through and look at every bill that comes before them. they pass a balanced budget and they go back and they move with the rest of the citizens on the laws that they created. i think that same type of an attitude has to be shown within congress and here in the senate banking committee we've had luck in leaning into difficult housing problems in the past and i have to offer my commendation to chairman crepo for his work on the finance reform and taxpayer protection act better known as johnson crepo. it's been six years since we've had that discussion. that would be an excellent place from which to start on reform and while i know there would be many ideas for amendments, i hope we could in juneinclude johnson crepo in a future markup along with amendments that would make it better . that said, i do want to ask i know my colleagues have had a
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chance to ask questions about some of the legislation before us but i'd like to ask a follow-up question in a way. from a high level perspective whether some of the additional steps that you would like to see this committee taking to promote housing affordability? this is almost like an open mic opportunity for you but from your perspective can you share what you'd like to see in terms of what might be options that would help in affordable housing? and if anyone would like to step forward, if not i'll go down the line. >> i don't mind going first. what we'd like to see if first and foremost a major expansion of the housing choice voucher program. housing choice voucher have been shown to be effective in being able to stabilize families and individuals in their housing in a very efficient way. sometimes when we think about solving the affordable housing crisis we think of it as solving entirely for homelessness and it's not
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area homelessness is part of the problem but many people live, have some place to live, they just simply have a hard time making ends meet and ifwe could give them , if we could make sure everyone who needs it, for their housing and housing choice vouchers is a way to do that, we would go a long way to solving the crisis. >> thank you, other christ crisis thoughts, mister yost. >> thank you for the question. i think there's two things that come to mind immediately, the first is i would encourage the gsc's to do their duty to serve that they have put in writing for 2019 and 20 for the creation of a secondary market for channel lending. the creation of a secondary market will create a more competitive financing environment for affordable housing and allow participants to get into it. many times even with the expense of channel lending a
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manufactured home is actually a cheaper alternative apartment rent and single-family housing options . >> i know i'm going to run out of time but ms. matthews, would you liketo make any comments as well ? i'm going to run out of time. >> thank you senator for the question. i particularly have really support some of the tools that are already in existence like the extension of the rental assistance demonstration program, it's a valuable tool that allows us to garner private and public partnerships to expand more affordable housing . we know that federally there just isn't enough dollars that exist that will allow us to address all the deferred capital needs but any of those legislations or bills on the table that will allow for more public-private partnerships to expand more affordable housing. >> thank you, my time has expired. >> senator reid.
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>> thanks mister chairman, thank you witnesses for your excellent testimony. let me recognize senator kay hagan reserved this committee and congress with great distinction. let me also say i pump this from two perspectives and authorized on this committee and i'm the ranking democrat on the housing and urban development subcommittee in appropriations and echoing senator brown's comments, the budget was less than adequate. $12 billion cost on total housing programs including home and public housing and miss matthews, you would have a lot of problems trying to survive on that budget. fortunately to the leadership of senator collins and all my colleagues we were able to vote on a bipartisan basis for a strong appropriations bill 8049 and i thank all of them forthat . roughly $40 billion more in
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discretionary resources that could go to affordable housing. it can go to homeless relations, they can bedevoted to community development opportunities . and environmental remediation and this goes to your point about carbon monoxide. there's another very dangerous one and that lead exposure in public housing, lead exposure in housing. if we can get that, we must so we hope we can go to conference and you can get more resources for the housing programs but i want to commend my colleagues on the legislation they submitted area it's just awful and it's important and we need to move quickly on it but i would be released if i didn't engine a piece of legislation i just introduced to senator collins. s 2801 which would extend imminently the authorization of the usinteragency council on homelessness . since they began planning and coordinating with all these federal departments we've
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seen a reduction since 2010 to today, a reduction in many of these numbers in terms of overall veterans homelessness. so i would just turn to miss bailey and asked for your comments on the importance of the interagency council . >> the interagency council on homelessness has played a vital role in being able to coordinate federal agencies . i think i've been working on these issues since almost the creation of interagency council or when it first at least started to get legs in the early 2000 and mandated that communities should make 10 year plan to end homelessness and spurred away for our re-thinking about homelessness as an intractable problem but a problem that we can solve and the way that they don't, the most of us as you mentioned with veterans. 78 communities or close to that app and it veterans
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homelessness in three states . and without the interagency's counsel work to not only help the va area target resources but also the department of health and human services and hard towards that problem is exactly what the interagency council was meant to do. >> thank you very much. you're right, i think including the communities of abilene texas, lexington kentucky, poplar bluff missouri , there's counties so this is reaching to rural areas have veterans and we need to deal with them and i thinkthat's appropriate . i'm slightly off-topic but i
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think it's important and i want to follow up miss bailey . the housing trust fund and capital magnet fund is a great horse of resources or affordable housing and every community in this country is facing affordable housing crisis. you go to big cities, san francisco, boston, now you're going to smaller contingents. the reasons mister yost suggested including zoning, you can't build affordable housing. how important is a housing trust fund capital magnetfund in your view ? >> given the affordable housing crisis that we have, every resource is important. of the housing trust fund helps make sure we are targeting housing resources to the lowestincome people . what i don't think everyone understands all the time is the low income housing tax credit is great and is our largest investment in capital resources but it only makes housing affordable for people who are at 60 or 80 percent median income and the $40,000 range for income. but the housing trust fund does is allowing dollars to be income with the credit to make unit affordable for people at lower income levels , especially people with low incomes or extremely low incomes in the 30 percent
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area of median income range. >> thank you very much and i want to thank mister yost and miss matthews for your important work. >> senator brandis. >> i want to thank you and german crepo for holding a hearing on these important bills including the co alert and ihope the committee will consider its agenda having several other housing related opportunities . i think this is one of the most critical in our economy and the lives of our families and i hope we can do more. in the age when bipartisanship is opposed, senator scott and i were able to work together and introduce this life-saving bill. carbon monoxide is a true silent killer. it is tasteless, colorless, odorless and yet all it takes is a few minutes of exposure to face.
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health risks like brain damage and death but luckily this danger is preventable. carbon monoxide alarms are a proven way to alert to a great health threat but a co detector is not a luxury for well-to-do homeowners, it's a basic life-saving necessity that belongs in every home and that includes public housing.unfortunately while federal assistant housing units include smoke detectors, there's no such requirement for carbon monoxide alarmsand that's unacceptable . new jersey is one of the 27 states that requires co direct detectors and federal public housing is exempt. in 2019 alone, for public housing residents died from completely rentable carbon monoxide poisoning. two of those deaths took place in south carolina, a state like new jersey that requires carbon monoxide alarms. there is no excuse for not taking action today to save lives and hard as publicly stated that congress needs to act and i hope that our bipartisan bill at about
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international fire code standards requiring alarms to be present to detect carbon monoxide emitted from aging of violences from air furnaces, fireplaces and attached garages happens. as the winter fast approaches , residents fire up their furnaces and the risk of carbon monoxide increases it's time for the senate to follow the house of representatives overwhelmingly passed the co alert and so in this regard and going to stick to this line of questions. i'm tempted with you housing opportunities to braun but as i just mentioned, miss matthews in south carolina like new jersey , the state has carbon monoxide requirements but despite the presence of state law, there's two public housing residents died from carbon monoxide poisoning in south carolina earlier this year. in accordance with state law where were there carbon monoxide detectors in the public housing units to mark.
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>> senator mendez, i joined the columbia housing authority on july 1, 2019. and it is my understanding that there were no carbon monoxide detectorsinstalled in these public housing units . >> 'sstate officials to your knowledge conduct regular health and safety inspections for carbon monoxide detectors in public housing which is federally funded -mark. >> i'm not aware of any state agencies responsible for conducting health and safety inspectionsof carbon monoxide detectors ? >> the reason is god doesn't inspect for carbon monoxide detectors because there's no federal carbon monoxide sector requirements. and despite state laws, all four of the carbon monoxide related deaths in public housing this year occurred in states that had some type of eo alarm requirement but do not inspect federally assisted housing units. it's clear that we need to close the gap, earlier this year on spokesman said congress can fix this by
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passing legislation requiring carbon monoxide detectors for those living in odd housing units where detectors are needed and i hope that this hearing motivates us to do so. miss bailey, do private property owners who decide to participate in hud section 8 housing choice voucher programs have to abide by federal health and safety standards such as having smoke alarmsin their buildings ? >> they do. they do. there inspections arerequired . >> so i asked that question as a predicate to same wind requiring private landlords who accept housing vouchers to comply with carbon monoxide alarm requirements similar to those that already exist for smoke alarm requirements be consistent with our existing practice of requiring private landlords who choose to participate in hud programs to take certain steps guarantee the health and safety of their residents? >> they would end it seems
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like it is responsibility for federal dollars to go to housing that's safe for people. >> so finally, your organization the senate for budget and policy priorities state public housing assistance currently helps about 1.9 million seniors, 2.4 million people with disabilities, 6.3 million people and families for children. isn't it important for the federal government to protect these roots of fellow citizens well over 10 million to 11 million from the dangers of carbon monoxide west and mark. >> absolutely. >> you mister chairman. >> senator tester. >> thank you and the chairman for having this hearing and i want to thank the folks who are on the panel today. and i just want to note, i don't want to go into a realm you're not familiar with but
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how many folks have had experience with the hud program? raise your hand if you have because then i got a question . in your experience, how adequate is that program for meeting the needs for veterans and by the way i got a bill to expand to include other than honorable discharge veterans as a lot of these folks ptsd and get booted out of the military through no fault of their own the question is right now how effective is that program in meeting the needs of homeless veterans ? >> in columbia south carolina we administer 414 hud vouchers. >> for homeless veterans how many you have left over ? >> probably four times as many area. >> so that program could be expanded and you utilize those vouchers to meet the needs of the people who serve ourcountry . >> absolutely. >> and this is for anybody whowants to answer , as
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ranking member pointed out in his opening statement, we got housing issues with affordable housing, workforce housing throughout this country, doesn't matter if you're talking urban or rural area iwould say that in montana , it's probably the biggest inhibitor for economic development that we have right now. because there's simply not any housing and if you're in a real small town, the housing is dilapidated so we got another problem there so what is the best way to incur the workforce housing at the federal level, what can we do encourage more housing be built people can afford. is there any certain programs that youguys look at and say this is effective, this is good . it does the job, there should be more emphasis in this program andit could make a difference anybody can answer . >> with being able to utilize the low income housing tax credit and the national housing trust fund, those are two places where investments
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in being able to develop housing units is critically important. and then as i said earlier, being able. >> what was the second one? >> the national housing trust fund and then with, additions to the housing choice voucher and other rental assistance program is also vitally important for those two programs alone can't makesure that housing is a portable low income people >> if , and i'm going to get themanufactured housing in a minute . but either of you utilize the lowincome housing ? >> we've utilized the competitive nine percent tax credit and four percent bonds . >> and your utilization of it, as it resulted inpositive impacts on the housing market ? >> it has. >> you will utilize all the credits available or canyou use more than mark . >> we could use more.
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>> and they would be as effective as the ones you have now -mark okay, cool. mister, thank you guysvery much . this is a big problem. just as a big problem. mister yost, you put out some figures and i'm a cosponsor of the bill and i i believe in what you do and i almost bought one of my kids were thinking about moving back before they realized they were going to make enough money. i almost bought the manufactured home but they're pretty impressive but the number you put forth are amazing . you can build it for half of what you build a, not, a quarter of what you build an on-site home. i just got asked cause those figures are almost too good to be true. when you put forth those figures are you putting them forth within the same region? because the house in montana because of the price of land is not in all cases but in most cases far less. are we comparing apples to apples here?
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you're not comparing the stick build on-site homes and in say place like california versus a place like montana. >> as an example in montana the figures i'm quoting our national averages but in montana for example the national average for a home is 294,000, no land. just the house itself. for a multi-section meaning a larger home in montana about $126,000 for a kind of a comparable home so at the end of the day manufactured housing on a per square-foot basis is about $50 per square foot because of a process, technique and automation versus site bill which is all hundred $11 per square foot. >> and you also gain efficiency in workforce. you also gain efficiency and i would assume you've got different plans but you
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probably don't have a different plan for every house you build. >> we have a lot of plans, we do several thousand models. >> and you also get efficiency in bulk buying up everything from steel to lumber. >> economies of scale. >> i have a request, if you got one of your plans in indian country where they don't have enough housing they have a helluva workforce , it would be great. i think it could be a win-win deal and there aretax advantages for you to do that . i would be more thanhappy to help you out . >> thank you sir. >> senator cortez-masto. >> i want to thank the ranking member for prioritizing a hearing on this desperate need for affordable housing. you've heard it from the members in nevada, it's the number oneissue whether you live in an urban or rural rural area in a state of nevada but talking about how
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we bring affordable housing . so one of the areas i'm focused on and a lead sponsor of is the manufactured housing modernization act. i want to talk a little bit about that and i want to thank senator scott and senator kramer and my colleague senator test her for joining me on that bill. i'd like to put into the record letters of support for 1804 from the following organizations. property now, national low income housing organization and next step without objection. thank you. i also am a cosponsor of mister scott and mister menendez bill the co alerts pack and look very favorably and will be supporting hr 4300 as well. but let me jump back to this affordable housing because after my discussions in my state with so many
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stakeholders about the need for affordable housing, i realized we need to pass the affordable housing credit improvement act and should expand low income housing tax credit by 50 percent helping to build more than 3400 additional affordable homes in nevada over the next 10 years and millions more nationwide. i have to say miss bailey thank you for putting in perspective the distinction between the low income tax housing credit and hdf. everything has to work in conjunction and i think what i find after talking with stakeholders that there's not one single financing piece. you have to cobble it together and work together with local government and your private sector, builders, everybody to get that done and requires stakeholders coming together to make that happen so i appreciate the conversation today but mister yost, thank you for being here. i'm going to follow up on what senator tester talked about with indian country. i sit on indian affairs as well and attended a hearing just recently on mortgage
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lending in native american communities and the witnesses mentioned the importance of manufactured homes as an affordable and sometimes only housing source for tribal lands. you've talked about the cost of a manufactured home. can you the quality of manufactured homes? i've seen very many attractive manufactured homes and i alsohear sometimes concerns about the quality, the durability of manufactured homes but can you talk a little bit about that if you don't mind ? >> of course, i think the durability and sustainability of manufactured homes is light years more advanced than it was decades ago, just
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like computer technology has advanced, just like manufacturing advance, homes have come a long way from where they were previously so their built-in factories with exacting standards so they are not exposed to the elements, mold and mildew. materials are indoors. they go through a production process with exacting tables and measurements. most houses for our industry ship at 50 miles per hour so when you think about that, they're built to withstand that shipping and moving over of the road system so there actually very well-built overall and there more energy efficient. if you go to our plants and factories what you will see is the amount of scrap and waste is minimized versus on-site construction which generally as dumpster after dumpster that goes to landfills so overall i think the sustainability is not only more cost-effective, it's more effective in aggregate for the quality and you've seen some answers in written testimony. we put two homes on the national mall just recently and we have thousands of people come through and i was standing in a home and a young lady came up to me and she said they directed me over here to see the
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manufactured house. do you know where it is ? and isaid you're standing in it. she said this is beautiful and that's what i mean, when we can get someone a beautiful home that they are proud of, the price point that we're talking, that's what it's all about . >> that's the reason why i wanted to make sure and why i introduced the bill, to make sure we are including manufactured homes in our planning and local government, state government and identifying areas for affordable housing because it's come a long way.with that said i don't think that we ignore any type of manufactured housing area i think every manufactured housing and i have several communities in my state, we should be ensuring that they have all the resources they need to maintain them, update them and make sure that they are also a part ofour concern and get the funding that's necessary at the federal level . iq for supporting the bill. i would like to clarify a couple of things though with respect to the bill 1804. it does not require participating jurisdictions to allocate hard funds for manufactured homes .
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it requires the department of housing and urban department to publish rules requiring local jurisdictions to consider manufactured housing when putting together their consolidated plans
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you have 15 factories in your state and about 17% of your housing is manufactured housing. overall the safety improvements on the safety front have been monumental in manufactured housing not only within the place but also expertly. now with the new codes that a out there basically manufactured housing is built to stronger wind zones and time after time what we've seen is now with a stronger regulations and flood requirements that at elevated the homes for flooding and whend zone issues, i think there are not evicted with the manufactured housing withstand hurricanes, natural disasters, much more severe than to greater extenders. >> thank you so much. ms. bailey, i want to follow up on the cob of monoxide and co alerts act we have.
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clearly and i really appreciate senator scott and senator menendez for this legislation out important it is. but alabama also has, like many states a fairly aging housing stock these days. as important and as dangerous as carbon monoxide is i think we could all agree there is probably a fair amount of other dangers in these housing stocks as well. i wonder if you might could address that and give us an overall discussion about how healthy the housing market is these days and are you concerned about any, any other threats other than carbon monoxide they are facing federal assisted household? >> absolutely, thank you for the opportunity. one issue in old housing is mold and we worried about that for kids with asthma, berman and roaches and other infestations. but bread is also a huge issue, too.
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we know that lead poisoning harms children, especially young children and where not, we need to do more to help abate lead in housing. another issue with concerned about his neighborhoods over all, that people, we have done work to show the people receiving federal assistance even within the voucher program that is made to be able to be used whatever someone should be able to choose way to live are overly concentrated in high poverty neighborhoods that often is invested which means they don't have parks, grocery stores and other amenities that we know help keep people safe. people in high poverty neighborhoods are also over exposed to air pollution and other environmental hazards. >> thank you for that. i take it from your testimony that while all of these bills are just wonderful, and i support them all, we still have a ways to go in the housing
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market, affordable housing and safe housing in the united states. >> most definitely. we need to spur the energy that is been created, lately to increase the availability of affordable housing itself, and then invest in housing, , whethr it's private housing or public housing, to make sure everybody has the foundation of safe affordable housing to live and thrive in in the future. >> great. thank you. thank you all for being here and thanks to the chairman and the ranking member. >> thank you. again i apologize for having been gone for most of the hearing. we got into a tussle in the judiciary committee, but that's not unusual either. [laughing] before we wrap up, senator brown. >> thank you. thank you again for the comments already made. this is a really important hearing, and i appreciate so much senator tester asking all of you what do we do, steps one to three, four, to afford a
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fertile housing to people. i'd like to enter of like a lika litter of record for the opportunities act from number of organizations including action. thank you for comments. we may have additional letters also for the record. >> thank you. and without objection. that does wrap up the questioning. i will forgo my questions, and i do want to say that you may get some additional question from some of the sender does. those questions will be due from the centers on thursday, november 14 and we ask each of you if you do get a gentle question to please respond to them as quickly as you can. i believe it's pretty clear with strong bipartisan support here on each of these pieces of legislation. it's my hope and expectation we will be able to move expeditiously to get them to the floor. with that, the sharing is adjourned.
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