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followed by the 2020 national book awards and norwich university writers symposium award. throughout the weekend, you will see our afterwards interview with environmental progress founder on what he calls apocalyptic environment and several author programs from recent virtual book programs across the country. that's a look at a few of the programs you will see on this holiday weekend. find a complete schedule at book tv.org or consult your program guide. >> i'm excited to be here for the boston book festival. i am your host and also a writer i'm so excited to be here having this conversation with these three incredible women. i would like to start this a session by talking to anisa ramirez.
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when you signed up for the session i'm sure you heard a materials scientist in a science writer and she wrote this incredible book, "the alchemy of us". it's a great read. thank you for joining us today. how're you doing. >> thank you. i am gray. >> we are excited to have you and one thing i wanted to talk about is going through this book it seems like it's a lot about what you said eliminating the science of history and the gaps in history where there were people of color and black women who work influencing innovation that work really talked about, so can you talk a little bit of what inspired you to find the balances and what you-- what got you into writing? >> on the materials scientists and i have been looking for ways to find a way to bring the topic to the national attention. it's a little-known field and a lot of people will talk about different materials come a
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steel, iron, glass, but i need the best way was with the stories and when i was highlighting different inventions many of the inventors were men of european descent and as i was writing the book, my gut was like this isn't working for me. so, you said what i think i need to dig deeper. i'm sure there are stories of people who have been overlooked in the didn't take much time to find the stories so i decided it's a book about materials, but also an opportunity to show little-known inventors, some being women and some people of color so people can see their reflections. >> absolutely, which is a so you need because when you think about science it feels a bit disconnected if you are not in the science mindset, like you think about a lab, research, but what really happens is you kind of brought best science to the surface of cultural context with the story of human connections and i think that makes it such
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an interesting read through and through, so i went to talk about some of the stories you found the most inspiring unsurprising as you can through the process. was there one that really stood out and resonated with us materials scientists? >> all of them do. you asking for a mother to pick her favorite child took it's hard to pick and each one is special for different reasons. some took a lot of work and i had to travel far, but where i feel like this book is important is chapter for capture, the story about photography particularly polaroid which was not far from where it was located. cambridge had headquarters for polaroid and in the 1970s there was an african-american chemist named caroline hunter. she was thrilled to be there because it was the most beloved company in the nation, sort of like apple 20 years ago.
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as she was going to her friend they see on the bulletin board a mockup for an identification card and said department of the mind republic of south africa and they are like, what does polaroid have to do with south africa and they find out that every black south african had to carry with them a pass and the pass monitors where they can go or not go and at the heart of the pass is a picture made by polaroid. i love polaroid growing up as a kid. i knew nothing about this story so i thought it was my duty to bring this story to the surface. >> absolutely. those are the stories that stood out in my mind in your book also because of the fact that it happened kind of in our backyard in cambridge and things don't often get illuminated and i think one thing when we were are talking about human connection and what resonates deeply with people is talking about picture day and how black kids are
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coming home and not respected in their images and it's so connected to some things we see today. when you were writing it that story where-- were you surprised to find that out or did you already know about this polaroid situation? >> the polaroid story i did nothing about, so that was a discovery and then when i discovered there was a bias built into the film, that made everything 100% clear because i have a dear friend and we have known the each other for over 30 years. she's of european descent and we've had a hard time getting a decent photo and then i realized it's not as the lighting, it was the film. there was something wrong with the film. so, on a personal level i felt the impact of what i was discovering for the book. >> absolutely. one thing that's also interesting if you talk about this desire to reassign from a young age and also needing to find that sense of wonder.
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can we take a bit of a step back and for those who may not know give us background on material science, how you fell into it and what it means? >> materials sciences one of of the little-known fields and i liken it to my home state of new jersey because most-- both material science and new jersey have been wedged in between two well-known entities. for material science it's chemistry-- [inaudible] industry-- it's also interested in how materials behave in different environments so that's the physics pardon i never heard of it growing up, nope. mind father was an electrical engineer and i thought i would be an electrical engineer and when i was an undergrad i took electrical engineering and i didn't like it. one of my prerequisite courses
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was the intro to material science class and when i sat in the class i was like everyone else like this will be boring because everything else had been boring, but the professor said something that blew me away. he said the reason why we don't fall through the floor and the reason my my sweater is blue and the reason why the lights work has to do with the interaction of adams and if you understand that you can get them to do new things that it was that moment when everything, how i understand the world made sense and it was that moment i said i think i'm going to be a material scientists. >> i think that ability to kind of break it down and-- these terms we can all relate to really translated a lot of that essence into the book. it's also clear you have passion for language. it was very beautifully written. like a nation stitched together by rails, love may be blind but technology shouldn't be, there are moments in here that as a someone who is a writer may not
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necessarily be on the science side of things, but i fell in love with the way you are writing this book. where did you get your love of language? >> reading was hard for me, but i loved listening to music. i knew this was a book about science and i had to make sure the language was like a conveyor belt and pulled you win because it was a hard-hitting science. a lot of people would get distracted. is it something on the stove, but if i make the language as beautiful as i can write then it's immersive and you stay with it and you are in this world of material science as you would not have been before, but you want to be in this world because you are like what is she going to say about this and this and it's lovely to be in the space so i worked hard to make sure the language was like that and the book is beyond-- you know i learned a lot about writing while writing the book. >> absolutely.
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it's clear there's this curiosity impassioned and a sense of wonder you talked about 70 times in the book and in your every day life now, with its fires that sense of wonder for you? >> i'm just a kid, i mean, i'm older and have a mortgage, but i'm still that kid who is excited about things. during this pandemic, i'm writing children's books. smaller in scale, but still excited because unlike people don't about this person and i have to explain it to a younger audience i love that challenge. on the kid who love us to share something with you. so now i can do that with younger audiences. my wonder is i find these people i want to share that with a broader audience and it gets me excited. >> that's the nice thing about being able to communicate with words and to connect with someone in so many different people. i think that's interesting that you are writing children's books. what is the process by?
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are you choosing stories that stand out, that you think a child should know early on, how is that coming along for you? >> the motivation is that i have another book in me, but i can't get to libraries and archives and i'm buzzing because i wrote a book. i worked on it for four and a half years, what will i do with the pent-up energy, so i have enough material to write children's books and the material i'm focusing on is a lot of hit in the figure's. one person making this resume possible is a jim went. he created the microphone allowing us to talk to each other. he is an african man that most people don't know about. in "the alchemy of us" i talk about this woman and of the 19th century sold time and back in her day people wanted to know the precise time but they would have to go to the observatory to get it so she would go to the royal observatory with her pocket
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watch and then walk around different parts of london. she has a picture book. so, so we have a deeper appreciation for things around us by made-- made by little-known inventors. >> i found the story about the woman that keeps time in her watch, one i am a fan of naming inanimate objects, so it was so interesting and i think you touched on sony different stories that relates to 70 different people in so many different ways. i learned so much. i learned about like louis armstrong distorting notes and time in that way in music. what was one of the things that was most surprising to you? i mean, obviously you are in the world constantly seeking knowledge, but what was a story that you never saw coming out the connection? >> i have to say i knew on the
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surface about these different things but never knew about them deeply like i knew light impacted our helper had no idea it was shifting our biological clock and what that meant meaning our bodies actually are connected to light, through light puts us in growth mode and brighter light puts us in rest mode. i had no idea. didn't know anything about segmented sleep. every day i would be like i have no idea. felt like the information in my head was incomplete, so when i found this information i wanted to make sure other people know how the world really works. didn't have one particular thing because i can think of the back story like that was hard to find , that was mind blowing, i never knew about that and i had so many of those stories from the book. >> love this idea of letting other people know how the world really works. you talk about it in innovation that changes the world and also innovation that changes us in our behavior and connections as people.
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railroad that stitches america together and lincoln's body as he goes on his tour and really interesting to see how things changed america and how they altered our behavior as well. you would have-- if you could have one person take one thing away from the book i'm a what would that one thing be? >> i would want everyone to realize that everyone is a creator of some sort. i want people to embrace that because we usually lost genius of people feel separated so i want people to feel like they can innovate. the other thing is that when you create, make sure you critique your creation and look at it and say now that you are in my life, how will life change and make sure it's moving positively for the human experience. that's the theme of my book, how technology shaped us, but really to encourage people to create and that they also have the
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capacity to ask questions about things around them. >> absolutely and i like this idea of creating but also critiquing. are there any influences in your life that helped you pull this together and critique your work as you were going through the process? >> i think it gauging more in writing put me more in the thinking of critiquing because as a material scientist you are just publishing papers to get things out because it's publish or perish and i was an academic for a long time and there is a critiquing stage and no one is fond of the editors because they feel like the gatekeepers, but critiquing is definitely about making your language or whatever you are saying more polished. it feels like it's really trying to embolden your make you better , sigh, to be-- found it to happen more and writing more so than in science. >> which is the whole new experience and new way to stretch your brain.
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it seems like constantly learning and an excellent place for you to land. >> thank you. >> thank you for being here and bring in the book to us and also as i read through the book being challenged in a different way. i'm looking forward to those children's books coming out at some point. >> thank you so much. >> thank you for joining us and we will see you at the end for question and answers. if you have questions, make sure to send them in and ainissa will sit down with us at the end to answer. thank you, ainissa. moving along for a couple more engaging, or stations. up next week have bridget wallace is here. there you are, bridget. bridget is the founder of g code and she's an urban planner. bridget, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> i understand you want to give
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a bit of an overview of g code. we are super excited to learn what it's all about. >> thank you. again, thanks for the opportunity and we talk about the work i'm currently involved in. ima long-term boston residents, urban planner, mom, advocate, just all my things or areas i can be involved and engaged in terms of community that has sort of shaped life for many years. but i most sort of thankful for the opportunity to work on behalf on the black, brown and indigenous to young redman across my professional career and certainly in my private life of being a mom and raising a
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young woman who graduated and has decided to go into tech. g code itself is really eight: in learning and working space for young women of color 18 to 25. why i founded this venture was because i saw a problem that was emerging in boston as boston is often known as the city of opportunity, but the areas that we really needed to focus on was action. for me, it was creating points or institutions were programs where we could expand the idea of giving more people access to the resources that boston has. i simply purchased a house, and i purchased the house in the roxbury area of boston because boston like any other cities and
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particularly raw spirit is location to the tech center, to the seaport they did a credible -- could a good neighborhood to focus on because where we would be tech centered and emerging they have an impasse on transportation until it's just at the cusp of the transition of the neighborhood i was able to purchase a house and with that house in using my lens or through the lens of an urban planner i went to do to be more than just a property. i wanted it to have a community center and focus. i wanted it to be of community benefit, so i thought of different ways to make that possible. then i came across for living and when i can across that i was like wow, that sort of one area which is housing insecurity for young women particularly in that
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age demographic, but it doesn't get at the training piece and technical piece that will advance them so they are able to state and remain and contribute to their community, so i overlaid the education and training piece with the housing peace and thus we came up with the concept of g code, the living and working and learning space bar young car in the space for them and young women again of color in the curated space for them where they can move into the field in the industry attack, but not just as women, but as powerful women, leaders who are competent to move into those spaces. what we are creating is a community within a community so that when they transition into the fuel that tech that they are confident on the skill set that they bring and also them as the whole women bringing themselves
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into that space. these are just images of what the house currently looks like and what we are now building. we are currently running the program outside of having the residential space and so to date we trained 20 young women and now, we have a new cohort of about another 20 women that go through a 10 week program and it's an introduction to tack and coding as we are raising the capital to renovate the spaces so we will eventually turn it into a residential program. >> fantastic. thank you so much for sharing this is an incredible program to have in boston. i can't tell you how often i hear employers and the like saying we want more talent of
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color but it's hard to get them to come to boston or hard to find them and that this is proof that there is interest of tech in boston and that they are black woman that can field the boyd. one question i have for you with your urban planning background, how did you kind of-- give us a little bit more of a background on how you got into this, what your passions were leading up to find in this interest in urban planning. >> i moved into the space based on not just my urban planning background, but more of my background as a community advocate and i have been working in the neighborhood for the better part of 20 years and has seen the neighborhood in transition and right now the neighborhood is undergoing another transition because roxbury is one of the neighborhoods that has the most buildable land across the city, so as i tell people it's almost like everyone wants to come to
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rocks very and also the proximity of other parts of the city, the actual geographical heart of the city, so in attending the meetings and assisting with planning and development of the area i heard young people literally screaming they wanted to remain in the neighborhood they knew. they wanted to grow in that space, live, work and play in rock sperry but they were being pushed out. the cost of living was becoming beyond with their families could manage so when i heard that i said what are we doing about it. we don't just want to overlook sort of their needs, concerns and pleas for support and how can we assist them and as i said earlier in opportunity came up for me too participate and that's what i did and i look at it or i call it disruptive stabilization because our neighborhoods are being disrupted, but we can stabilize it by looking at or adapting
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with the assets and resources we have in our community and have those assets benefit and server community and that's what i did with the property that i have. >> i love the term of disruptive stabilization and also sometimes when a property comes into your hands or an opportunity a lot of people don't think to turn it towards the community, which is really right. went in them interested to ask is as good 2020 in the last couple years like black women are more educated than ever. they are getting degrees at high rates and getting graduate degrees at a higher rate and yet we still don't see a lot of black women in stem roles. what you think the disconnect is coming from? >> you know there are a number of factors and i think we could speak more in depth to that, but
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also part of it and what we are focusing on to address that is we are creating a community and all of the young women that have expressed interest or are participating, the first thing they were looking for was community and i think that is the important piece that's also left out of the conversation. black women are looking for other black women that are like-minded, interested in a stem and certainly in regards to us and attack who are on the same path that they can lean on, that they can support, that they can build together and it's in that sort of coming together that they can advance and i think we need to focus on creating these intentional third of spaces for black women to participate in the larger community and when they do participate in the larger community they cancel private notes spaces because they had a
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solid foundation by working alongside other young women that look like them. >> especially in the caps on 2020 as we come more to understand how sacred these spaces are. we learn together to talk about frustration, to be able to sometimes fail. incredible things to see and something we need. i'm wondering if you touch this a little bit, but you made a specific choice to choose women 18 to 25. what was the inspiration behind that choice and what you hope these women can gain more than maybe another demographic? >> the inspiration was one, it was personal. my daughter as i mentioned and the resources and the support she was able to garner that would help propel her to where she is now working for a major tech company in new york, but i also knew in my research and in
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writing our business plan was there were a lot of programs that would fall off the resources don't fall you once you graduate from high school peer k-12 there was a lot of programs and then it would fall off and pick back up for women in leadership and i said there's an opportunity for us to really explore it the gap and begin to fill the gap, so black girls in tech, but then it falls out so we wanted to give those young women in the 18 to 25 demographic the opportunity to explore a career and for many who are coming from immigrant background or first-generation graduating college or not quite sure what to do next or even if they participated in a program like black girls can code and now they have their pallet wet from this introduction of coding but they aren't sure they are ready to go into a full
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four-year program, what are the opportunities for them or if they don't have the resources to go into a full four-year program was their opportunities. we wanted to be an additional pipeline program to fill the gap so they can get to that place of women in their career and that's why we chose to focus on them and to give them the resources they need so they can move into that space. >> love that opportunity looking out for the and trying to find a way to fill it. we have a little bit of time. one of my last questions as i am sure people would love to know what are the changemakers life. what are the women my? >> they are incredible, i mean, they come from all walks of life we have young women coming straight out of high school, young women who graduated from a four-year university and they
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are ambitious, excited. they were appreciative of someone saying that they were important, that this type of space was important. one young woman who participated in our program said when we released or had an open call for advocation she said said she clipped the website twice and she's like this can't be real that someone is focusing on us and creating a space for us to pursue a career in tech, so they are ambitious. they are sharp here they are amazing leaders and changemakers and will be changemakers in that space but they need the support and resources in order to sort of launch them into that space and that's what we are trying to provide. >> absolutely. thank you pick the work you're doing is so important and i
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cannot wait to see that what these changemakers put out into the world one day. thank you. we will see you again at the end 4q and day. if you have any questions for bridget, we will follow up with her for round number two at the end. our last conversation partner today is susanne tedrick, author of "women of color in tech", a technical specialist. how's it going? >> it's going great. thank you for having me. >> of course. i was going to show you the cover of the book but suzanne has the cover. thank you so much for being here. i feel like this series of conversations is important because obviously there aren't a town of women of color intact one thing i love about the book is you touted as a resource not so much like a guide of what you
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should and should not do, but more of a blueprint for creating your own kind of plan, so i would like to start with where you are blueprint originated, what led you to write the book? >> the book is really based off of my own a journey of technology. for many years i worked in financial services which paid the bills, but obviously it was not my true calling and i decided to really investigate my passion for tech which i always had as a kid for many reasons just didn't have the opportunity to really pursue it, but my understanding of what tech looked like was pretty narrow like i only thought of it as coding and i do coding if i have to, but it's not the thing i wanted to do.
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>> that's okay. [laughter] >> not like something i wanted to do as a profession or a calling so i really spent a lot of time just really understanding what my passions were, what my work values were, what i wanted out of a career, what's going to engage me and also thinking about like what tech really is and all the different facets of technology careers. the book is largely based off of all of those experiences on the transition. my successes, by many failures and just giving guidance on where i think you can just make your own kind of as you said blueprint as to what you like your career to be. >> that's what i found interesting about it is you cover everything in this book, you talk about networking,
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salaries, how you should structure or how you could structure a resume. how you could find skilled training and all sorts of things so i think it's so robust that such a conference of look at the tech industry and beyond peer these are skills anyone can use. i myself learned a lot about when you send in your resume and the tracking system. you know i learned so much reading the book. went to go when and to ask was similar to a question i asked bridget. what you think is one of the biggest articles breeding black women in particular into tech? >> that's an excellent question. i think looking for me to looking through the expense of writing the book, i think it is a matter of access and education , so not so much education of like the formal variety, but just letting people
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know these are your options within the technology industry. it doesn't have to look like one particular thing. you can expand your pie as to what opportunity will look like for you and i think sometimes the message is already translated in some of the places we think about in school and other places so i think that's one of the bigger issues are taking that a little further, i do think that supports as bridget was talking about earlier, having that support, having that ally ship, i think those are necessary and that is not something that would come for my target readers, but from communities at large be it professional or workplace or wherever that may be. >> absolutely. you also talked about a little in your book in terms of finding
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mentors even in terms of ending a relationship in-- with a relationship of a mentor that might not be benefiting your. you hear a lot about like mentor ship and you don't always do what to do if it doesn't work out. kind of a little bit in that direction you talked about networking and how important it is in terms of finding jobs and fighting that support and you mention a couple different ways to do it, but i'm interested to know what's your favorite form of networking. >> precovid, actually attending events with a friend was always a lot of fun, you know-- i'm a person that's a little bit of an introvert when it comes to meeting new people, so having someone that said that more of an extrovert that i could have us like a wing woman to bounce ideas off of was fun and making
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a game out of it versus i have to get this many business cards in this many connections like it's incredibly stressful, but what i am now finding with online events that people are having in the networking options there on being able to collaborate digitally is really fun. i messaged a lot of people and just having these personal dialogues, so i would love to teach people in person again. obviously, i would, but i'm making it work. >> i get it, i mean, things have changed relatively quickly and still finding ways to connect is a super important and i'm helpful for people in the audience to hear about. one other thing i want to touch on is the end of a book i mean
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obviously taking a step back this book to me is a labor of love like you didn't have to do it. you didn't have to put it together. you didn't have to deal with it or give this fantastic advice, but you did so there's a section that talks about responsibility, for giving back and spreading joy and information. tommy but about your personal belief and instances in your life when you feel like someone has done that for you to get you to this point. >> definitely. i would not be here, this book would not be here, i would not be in my current career without the love, support and a sacrifice of many people in my family, my friends and my larger academic and professional community. for me, i feel like it's an obligation on my end for all of the good fortune site had especially since not many people can say that to share that with others and to help them be successful, help them not scrape
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their knees quite as much as i did and making better choices. for me, it's a pleasure to be in the service of others because it means that i have achieved the luxury that few people have and i freely share that with people. >> absolutely. what about this book makes you feel the most proud cracks what about this accomplishment? >> i think for me is the personal conversations that i have been able to have with people after reading the book, with them finding commonalities, you know having the same struggles, having the same issues, being able to offer counsel, but not able to offer counsel or print-- printing them in the right direction, but it's been wonderful to have that one-on-one connection and giving
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people hope about the next step of their career, whatever that looks like. >> absolutely. one thing i was talking to a friend a couple months ago and i asked him about his salary because i was entertaining a job offer and i wasn't sure and i was new to the industry. i was surprised he gave me his salary to the fence. you know people are usually a little guarded, but what he said to me was-- he's also a personal color. we have to stick together. we are sharing information. we are never going to get to a point where we can be on par or understand what's out there and where we should be and i just looked at this book as a very large well written expression of that sentiment of we don't know until someone shares it with us and someone is transparent with us so when summoned tells us us
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about their own experiences, so i very much appreciate it. i think it's an incredible resource for women of color in tech and also other people inside and outside of tech in all different industries because it's a so comprehensive. thank you so much for compiling it and sharing it. it means a lot. >> thank you. i'm pleased to have been able to do it. >> we love it. between all three of these women today i feel like you all provided such a service for us and we are so grateful for your being here in providing what you had to the community and sharing your knowledge and experience. i went to start some of the questions and answer with the bridget and suzanne. so, we do have the first question here. if you want to turn on your cameras we can all kind of chat. our first question and this is for anyone, how can you help women of color in tech 18 to 25
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in our own communities who may be onto living in boston cracks >> mrs. bridget. i definitely think that you can -- there are a number of programs and at community colleges and we partnered with our local community college. we have also partnered with some of their institutions, northeastern university and others to look for certificate programs so young women can participate in those and then there are a number of other pipeline programs across the country. here in boston, we have resilient coders, if they are not free they are affordable and may our focus on young people that are undervalued, marginalized or underrepresented in the tech space, so there are a number of different groups
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that target those populations and i will seek those out for those young women who have an interest in attack or a career in tech and coding. >> absolutely. any other perspectives? >> just echoing what bridget said, there are a number of different professional organizations available as well that cater to younger audiences, when that comes to mind is in power, which is in the new york area and also has satellite offices. also, a similar program for women of color in those age ranges and they are always looking for volunteers and support, so i think there's definitely organizations willing to serve these communities. it's just a matter of an little
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due diligence and reaching out. >> i would add besides community colleges that libraries are often untapped and they are great entry but the lot upon life things if he can't go to their location, so don't forget to libraries. >> absolutely. it's wild that we are in such a digital age but then you walk into a library and it is such a trouble-- treasure trove of information, workshops and fantastic resources that we tend to forget about. my next question also for any of you to answer if you feel so moved is how do you deal with racist incidents in the workplace? it's a doozy. >> i will take a stab at that. its import to have a system because these events will happen and you need to figure out manage them. you know, what is your prescription for self-care if
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something happens, seven you can chat with, sanely maybe a mentor to call and say 911, i need to talk right now. it depends on where you are working. there are alms but then you can talk to if you need to get across to the organization, but for your own self-care you need a way to manage that kind of stress, that kind of a regiment for working out and talking to friends, some way to release that valves. >> absolutely. i would offer, you definitely need a support system and need people in your corner when these things happen. i think it's important that when it does happen that you do call it out, that you do talk to people that are your manager or
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resources are whomever it tends to be that is handling those things and if we stay silent, the behavior continues and never gets properly address, as difficult as it is, we have to be brave to go forward and call this malicious stuff out so we can improve it, not only for you , but for the next generation of it people of color coming into technology workspaces. >> i would add that you document it. document it. keep a journal that is in line with your work, your work product. you are here, a contributing member of the team and you also have another journal where you document it so you can have the
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case properly addressed. >> absolutely. i resonate with that. like i see heads nodding as you are like document it. [laughter] we deal with this so often but again he comes back to the sense of community, having people like yourself around you that you can ask questions and be able to glean on. i think maybe-- i think suzanne somewhere in your book you wrote like often people are willing to praise you or give you advice or support you in private, but are rarely willing to speak up on your behalf. hits me in the chest. kind of coming down to this conversation we have had in our greater public life right now about loving people of color out loud and supporting people of color out loud, so if you are at a place where you are working and you don't really look around
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at the people that look like you , how do you go about finding those allies and people that will support you out loud? >> there's a great thing called the internet where you can find ways to network with people. let me back up and say help important is to find people who reflect to. i remember when i was a scientist at bell laboratories and they had many of people of color working there, but it wasn't until i had a colleague that was my same demographic african-american woman doing physics, you want to seek those things out and if it is it at your specific location, maybe there is a meet up group or a group on the internet where people can meet up, you don't meet in person, but definitely seek them out because it will change your life and it will be a positive thing. >> absolutely. thank you so much for that.
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i think this has been such a robust and illuminating conversation for all of us and i hope everyone in the audience feels the same way. we are going to wrap up, but i want to go around one time and if you can provide everyone with the best way to get in touch with you whether it's a social media, a website starting with you bridget. >> sure. the best way to reach gcode is our website www..-dot three house.com. that the best way to reach us. thanks. >> ainissa. >> ainissa ramirez.com. and on twitter. >> love it. lastly, suzanne? >> sure. the best way to reach out to me is to my personal website which is suzanne frederic.com. or the book website which is we belong in tech.com. >> thank you so much for that
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and thank you all three of you for being here and thank you to the boston book festival for making this space as safe as we know it's important in this time and it means a lot to be here today. the best way to reach me is at chris romain on instagram. thank you. appreciate it. ♪ >> you are watching the tv on c-span2. every weekend with the latest nonfiction books and authors. book tv on c-span2, created by america's cable-television companies and today it's brought to you by these companies who provide book tv to viewers as a public service. >> here's a look at some of the most notable books of 2020 according to the los angeles times. lela explores american citizenship through her own journey as a moroccan immigrant.
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technology reporter anat weiner accounts her experience working for tech startups. in memorial drive natasha recalls her mother's murder and how she dealt with it. also in the los angeles times list is intimation, a collection of essays by zadie smith on the early days of the covid-19 pandemic. former president barack obama were flex on his career and presidency in the first volume of his presidential memoir. >> it's because i could see both sides or all sides to a problem or an issue that i would then feel as if i was making a good decision. because i had seen it from different angles and this idea that overthinking problems was or is a weakness in politics, i
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think, is indicative of a culture in which we want to simplify and eliminates all the gray areas and just how powerfully and beat the other team as opposed to solving problems and figuring out how, in fact, we come together. .. please welcome to norwich university 20/20 military

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