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so i think a reach-out here is critical. i also think -- you have 11 offices, is that right? 10 plus d.c., right? >> yes. >> so that's only -- so i would, if i were you, i would find 11 of the best people i could find. seriously. the top-notch people, whether they're in the agency -- and, you know, you have good people there. find these people. i would, at this point, send them out to each of these offices and i think they ought to be special oversight officers. they're to make sure people get back to work, do their job and before all these papers go off to the central place, which i think is important, that there's
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somebody there who can liaison with you. so you don't have a situation where you've got the same people sending you the papers and you don't have that much confidence. i think that ought to be something that you consider. now, it may not be necessary to do it at every one of these offices, but i'll tell you right now, what i heard about from the one in my state, it ought to be done. >> i already, in region seven, eight, nine and ten, in the public buildings commission, we're sending out new acting public buildings commissioners. >> good. >> i also took way from here that we need to very quickly focus on the role of the regional administrator and the clear accountability that those folks need to show over those regions. >> and sending someone out there to oversee it, whether that is a six-month assignment plucked from the best of your best is up to you. when i hear the inspector general, who i admire so much, who had to take so much verbal
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abuse in the past and has stuck with it -- when i hear him say he's looking, he's turning over rocks and every time he turns over a rock, something crawls out. that does not give me heart. i do not feel good. i'm so happy that you're both there, but i'm worried about what's to come. and i think, you know, you're there now. and you have nothing to do with it, but from this point forward, you do. so, don't underestimate this job that you have in terms of shaking this tree. and let these bad apples fall. and have your best people in these regions. we become washington-centric sometimes in federal government. we really do. and one of the things i learned being in my job for a long time, thanks to the good people of my state, is that in the beginning there was always tension between my regional offices at home and my main office. my main office thought they were the best, the best, the best. and everybody was doing things out there wasn't so important. baloney.
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you know, the people on the ground are the ones who were meeting my constituents, the ones who were bringing the issues to me, the ones who were the face of my office. so we had a lot of heartfelt meetings and now we're a seamless team. but it takes a lot of time. but i think that these regions have gone wild. this region went wild on you. they went rogue. and it can't happen. and it's still -- there's ugly things that are going to come out. let's face it. because we know that mr. miller isn't going to stop until he knows everything single thing. so i have -- so, will you consider this idea of -- i'm not just talking about a person of public buildings or -- i'm talking about an overall good person, to get in there and say to the region, we need to change and this is how it has to be. this is what our leader in
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washington said we're going to do. and we're going to do this for him. we're going to do this for the country. so, would you consider that type of approach? >> absolutely, senator. >> good. excellent. because i think it would really help. because the big word here is accountability and checks and balances. and you know the expression, it's a government indemnity the used to say back in the founding days, we're a government of laws, not men. we would say today we would say we're a government of laws, not people. but we are a government of laws and people. as the inspector general said, we have the laws on the books. we have the rules on the books and these people skirted them, disobeyed them and it will happen till the end of time. but we've got to get to the bottom of this. and i think it is going to take your most trusted -- people with the most integrity to get out to
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these areas and make them understand, they don't just do anything that comes along. they have to carry out a very important mission and do it with the highest integrity. i have one more sort of sticky wicket, which is not a hard question for the inspector general at all. but has anyone, in any way ever tried to stop you from this investigation in the senate? >> no. >> or in the house? >> no. >> has anyone called you and said go easy on this? >> no. >> has anyone called you, mr. tangherlini, senator or house member, and said go easy on this? >> uh, no. >> well, i want that clear. because we've got a chairman over in the house, who is saying that one of the senators is trying to stop this investigation. and that's an outrage. so i'm going to read in our close what the inspector general said. there's a glimmer of good news. the oversight system where my
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office aggressive ly investigated, audited, interviewed and issued a report. no one stopped us from writing a report and making it public. and the whole ugly event is now laid bare for all to see. justice brandeis said, sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectant. how true. so let it be clear, there is no senator or member of congress that is doing anything other than trying to get to the bottom of this. the two of you and, i have to say, miss britta, you're the good guys, the heroes in this. we should never forget that. we stand with you, and we will be with you every inch of the way. and don't let anyone stop you from doing the right thing here. because the days are over of these parties. they're over. the days of being unaccountable at gsa are over. and we've got to make sure they're over long after we're -- none of us is sitting in any
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rooms. because that's what the carter administration thought. they put people to jail. there was fraud. they protected whistleblowers and we got back again and again and again. so let's make it, this time, set into place a system that is going to stop all these bad things that have happened and more. and i think you do it with the best people and you do it with the kind of an organization that builds in the checks and balances. so if you have a bad actor, that bad actor is found out. there's a layer system. one of the things about the defense at the airports -- and we all get -- we're all critical and we don't think they work and sometimes they're abused and so on, is a layered system of defense. it's a layered system. you know, you buy the ticket. you're checked out. you go through, you're checked out. you go to the desk, you're
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checked out. your baggage is checked. everything is checked. if you have multiple checks, then you're doing your best. does it mean it's perfect? does it mean it's foolproof? no. because we're humans. but i think you can do it. if ever i saw two people -- three, if i might add -- who have the integrity and who have the will, it's the three of you. and the others here, who i don't know, who i believe want to help you do it. so, let's show the world, let's show our taxpayers that we're going to fix this and although this is a horrible situation and we could see more parade of horribles, we're going to change it and we're going to make sure that we change it for good. thank you very much. we'll stay in touch. thank you. we stand adjourned. >> thank you. >> okay.
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>> this was one of four congressional hearings this week on gsa mismanagement. as a result of the spending at least three bills to cut agency funds for conferences and meetings have been introduced by congress. tune in to cspan sunday at 10. 30. a.m. eastern time for a reair of the hearing into the ga investigation. it features one witness at the center of the investigation, exercising his fifth amendment right. coming up. gun violence victims call on
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congress to pass new gun losses hosted by the brady center. a house energy and commerce subcommittee hearing on the state of u.s. manufacturing. from the colonial era, prohibition, until today, drinking for better or worse has always been part of the american landscape. saturday night, live on american history tv. a history of alcohol in america. watch our sim up cast with back story with the american history guys. hosts regale with tales of beer and spirits in america, saturday night at 8:00 eastern. part of american history tv this weekend on cspan 3. >> gun violence victims and families of victims melt with virginia congressman, jim moran on capitol hill monday to call on congress for stricter gun control lautco
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control lauws. held on the fifth anniversary of the virginia tech shooting. it runs an 1:35. >> good afternoon. i'm dan gross and i'm not just president of the brady campaign but today my brother matthew gross and i are proud to be part of the 32. we want to welcome all of you here today. it's a beautiful day. it's an exciting day but it's a somber day. five years ago today 32 people were killed at virginia tech in the worst mass shooting in u.s. history. but this is not just a somber day because of the tragic anniversary that it represents. it's a somber day because today 32 more will be murdered by guns in our nation. yes, another virginia tech will happen today like it happens
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every day. and that's why we're here to say enough is enough and to hold the people who do their work in that building behind us accountable to put an end to this madness. we are here with the 32 victims and survivors from across our nation to represent the 32 that were lost five years ago at virginia tech and to represent the 32 that are murdered by guns in our nation every day. wayne lapiere, at the nra convention and his feeble attempt to deflect the well deserved blame for putting the gun in george zimmerman's hands had the gall to complain about the media attention on the trayvon martin tragedy. he asked what about the tragedies that happen every day in our nation? well, wayne, here they are. and the politicians who do your bidding every bit as much as the
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media does. the fact is not just the trayvon martin tragedy but most of the gun violence in our nation could be prevented if congress would take simple action to stop arming dangerous people. right now the sobering reality is that too many of the people that work in that building, too many of the people elected to represent all of you, all of us are putting the agenda of the gun lobby ahead of the lives of the people they have been elected to represent. as a result they are putting the guns in the hands of people like george zimmerman, a man with an arrest record and a history of violence and people like the perpetrators of the 32 tragedies you will hear about today. arming dangerous people just to support a lobby that sells guns. that is shameful. it is immoral. it is almost criminal. that's why we are here in d.c. this week to demand congress make it abundantly clear whose vision they support, the nra's
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dark paranoid vision of guns just about anywhere in just about anyone's hands, or our vision, of an america where t j tragedies like ours and the 32 others that will happen today, will no longer happen. specifically, we are here to demand two things from congress. number one, to tell the senate to reject what we call the george zimmerman armed vigilante act. this lethal bill introduced only dayed after the trayvon martin tragedy pretty much sums up the gun lobby's dark vision for our nation. it would force virtually every state to honor the concealed carry for other states. if your state has sensible gun laws that might prevent someone like george zimmerman, a man with an arrest record and history of violence, from carrying a hidden gun on your streets, tough luck. a george zimmerman in your state can apply for a permit online from florida, and carry a gun on your streets and there is nothing you or your local law enforcement can do about it. the second thing we are here to
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do today is to introduce and demand every person in congress sign this statement of principle against arming dangerous people. here is what it says plain and simple. i believe these people should not be able to buy, own or carry a gun anywhere in our nation, convicted felons, convicted domestic abusers, terrorists and people found to be dangerously mentally ill. that's it. either you are against putting the guns in the hands of these people, people directly responsible for thousands of gun deaths in our nation every year or you are in favor of arming them, plain and simple. any congress person who does not sign this statement can only be considered to be in favor of arming dangerous people or putting some other agenda ahead of the lives of the people they have been elected to represent. the gun lobby and the politician whose do their bidding, would luke you to think that this is a complicated issue. it is not. either you subscribe to the dark
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vision of selling more guns with no concern who you sell them to to or what they're going to do with them, or you subscribe to a vision of an america free from gun tragedies like ours. the 32 here today to represent not only ourselves and our loved ones but every american that has had enough of gun violence in our nation, to demand a nation free from the reign of terror that the gun lobby holds over capitol hill, to demand a nation free from gun violence. and now it is my pleasure to introduce a man who has been a great leader and supporter of sensible gun laws, a man who has put the -- the agenda of the people he represents ahead of the agenda of the gun lobby. the honorable congressman, jim moran from the 8th district of virginia. >> thank you. thank you. i want to thank all of you for joining us to mark this solemn
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occasion. the fifth anniversary of the horrific violence that occurred on the campus of virginia tech taking the lives of 32 wholly innocent people and wounding another 17. it's an honor to share this remembrance with the brady campaign and with victims like colin goddard and his family and others you will hear from. because they have taken this tragedy in their lives and responded by fighting for responsible gun laws. doing so we try to show respect towards those whose lives were lost that day and this may give their memories enduring purpose. but we are gathered on the anniversary, the fifth anniversary of the virginia tech shooting.
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the fact is we could be observing a remembrance and anniversary nearly every day of every year of victims of gun violence. in fact, since that day in 2007, 12 more mass shootings of a similar nature have occurred claiming the lives of 92 people. it didn't stop. it continues and it will continue unless we have sensible responsible legislation. just weeks ago a gunman opened fire at a small religious university near oakland, california, killing seven and wru wounding three. americans need to ask -- "where is the outrage?" each year nearly 100,000 people are shot with a firearm.
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20,000 of whom are children. more than 30,000 americans die each year in gun-related incidents. including 12,000 who are murdered. it should be shocking to all americans that the gun homicide rate in the united states is 20 times higher than it is in all other comparable supposedly civilized industrialized countries. so you have to ask -- why are gun crimes in the united states so much more prevalent than in the rest of the world. and, of course, a good place to start is the fact that we have nearly as many guns in the united states for every man, woman and child who lives here. guns permeate our culture. despite the overwhelming number of guns in the united states and a correspondingly large number of gun-related deaths the national rifle association and
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other gun groups believe the answer to that gun violence that those guns generate is even more guns. they want to expand and have been successful in this congress and expanding concealed carry laws. and, in fact, protections for those that use their guns irresponsibly. here in congress and in far too many state houses across the country their side is, in fact, winning. loosening already porous gun laws and blocking the passage of any sensible gun control measures. i understand that as many as 30 states now have vigilante laws comparable to florida's thanks to the national rifle association and the american legislative exchange council which has worked hand in hand
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with them in trying to get this legislation through even though it didn't come interest any grassroots effort on the part of citizens. it came from the top. it came from the nra working with the legislators with threats of political repercussions if they don't comply and, of course, rewards, financial and political, when they do and they have been. there are too many elected officials who are aware of damage that gun violence does to our society, who understand this is an affront to our most basic values, the right to life. the right to the liberty to be able to walk safely on your streets, the right to happiness
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that has been destroyed by the senseless wanton violence, the happiness of the thousands of loved ones who have lost people in their lives in ways that virtually nothing could have been done to stop it. the sadness that throughout our society for these inexplicable losses. now, some believe that any strengthening of gun laws is an affront to the second amendment. others are too afraid of political consequences, as i say, to do what they know is the right thing. but either way it is a failure of leadership. but that's the role of the brady campaign and each of you here today to make your voices heard on this issue and to let the
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members of congress know what every poll has demonstrated over the last several years, the american public supports common sense laws that protect communities from gun violence. so as we pay tribute to the memories of those precious lives lost five years ago at virginia tech let us commit ourselves today to doing all that we can to enact sensible laws that could prevent this tragedy from recurring time and again. we owe that. we at least owe that to the lost lives that give us occasion to be here today. thank you all. >> thank you, congressman moran. the congressman talked about how
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it's the role of brady and the folks here to start holding our congress accountable. i would build on that by saying it is the role of the american public to start doing that and not just based on the magnitude of this problem which you're right, congressman, should be shocking to everybody but because of the shockingly simple solutions that exists. we are here to ask on behalf of the american public very simple questions like, senator vitter, do you think or do you not think that george zimmerman, a man with an arrest record and a history of violence should be permitted to carry a loaded hidden gun on the streets of any state in this country? we are here to ask questions like, representative canter, do you think that a convicted felon should be able to walk into any place in our country and buy a gun without any background check? these are the simple questions and these are the simple
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questions around which our leaders are failing us and we're going to put a laser focus on this and start to hold the people that have been elected to represent us accountable for the decisions that they are making, the decisions that have resulted in many of the tragedies that you are going to hear about today and the decisions that cost thousands of lives every year. now it is my honor to introduce colin goddard who was there at virginia tech that day five years ago and will share his story with you. good morning. i'd like to begin by saying that i started the first year of my life in mogadishu, somalia. my family moved to bangladesh. and then my family moved to indonesia before the events in east timor began to erupt. and then my family moved to cairo egypt during the attack on 9/11 and all the while my
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extended family living here in the states was petrified for my safety, couldn't wait for me to come back to america where it was safe to live. so finally, once i enroll at university at virginia tech in a small southwest virginia town i get put in the most dangerous situation of my entire life here in america. it was that day that started me on this path but it was seeing what happened to me happen to other families that ultimately brought me here today which is why i wanted to invite a symbolic group of 32 for the 32 people killed at virginia tech five years ago today and for the 32 americans we lose every single day. some people here were associated with shootings that you have heard about that were on the front page of the newspaper. and others were shootings that you haven't heard about. so we wanted to take this day
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that everybody acknowledges as the worst mass shooting in our country's history and to acknowledge the greater tragedy that happens every single day that goes unnoticed. further, we are up here because of what i heard said from elected leaders after the virginia tech shooting, after the shooting in tucson, after the shootings that happen every single day that now is not the time to talk about gun violence. now is not the time. it's not appropriate to talk about solutions. so my question to speaker john boehner, my question to majority leader cantor, my question to every single member who works up here, if today, the fifth and versery of the worst shooting in our country's history, is not the time, if tomorrow when 32 more americans killed from
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gunfire is not the time, which day is the time? which day would it be appropriate for you to talk about this issue and talk about what we can do? it is beyond time for us which is why we are here to make you talk about this, to bring this in front of you and demand that you support some common sense solutions that the vast majority of your people support. so i'm honored to be here with the 32 families. and at this point i would like to turn it over to them. thank you very much. >> now i want to introduce my brother, matthew, who is going to say a couple of words about his tragedy. >> hello. i was shot at the empire state building from a guy who got the gun in florida and he was from another country and he gave the address to his hotel. he shot me in my head. as you can see i didn't die but
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he killed my guitarist. and my friend. what can i say? i would like to challenge everybody to stand up to congress and outlaw guns just what it says there. thanks. >> now we're going to hear from the rest of the 32 one by one in alphabetical order. jeanne bishop. >> this is my younger sister nancy bishop and her husband, richard. nancy was 25 years old and three months pregnant when an intruder broke into their home and shot them to death. it was completely acceptsless. she was three months pregnant with what would have been my first niece or nephew. he had been diagnosed a sociopath when trying to kill his own family. by poisoning their milk.

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