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join the league of nations, especially considering the pacifism and anti-war sentiment that generally and rejection of american participation in world war i that you see in the 1930s? >> it's an interesting question. i mean, we'll never know. i think if the united states joined the league it would have been a stronger institution, and it would have given a very important non-european voice to the league. as it was, the united states was so involved in what was going on in europe anyway. when they tried to broker an end to the endless reparations, twice it was done by the united states. at league disarmament conferences, the united states was there. the united states was often involved. and i think if they'd been more formally involved it would have been good. i think it would have made the
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league stronger, and it might have served to educate american public opinion. if by the time the '30s hit, would you have had the same isolationist sentiment? i mean, there was a lot of sentiment in europe for peace. there was this huge peace ballot in britain in the 1930s, where i think half the adult population voted in favor of peace. but wanting peace doesn't necessarily translate into isolationist. it might be that failing to join the league formed isolationism in a way that didn't happen in europe. you can want peace but still recognize that you have to be engaged in the world. i doesn't know. and you can argue, and i think historians are now arguing that even in the 1930s, the united states was not as isolationist as we might think. if you look at what the united states is doing, it's still involved a lot. and it's particularly involved on its own doorstep. the good neighbor policies in
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the 1930s, and the united states is still very concerned about what's going on in the pacific. there was isolationist sentiment of the and it was fueled, i think, by a sense, and this is where historians came in, a lot of historians argue that the united states should never have gotten involved in the war. that it was lured into it by wilson or unscrupulous europeans. so i think for a lot of reasons, people thought we should never get involved again. but you cannot always choose your fate, can you? so. >> that was a terrific last question and wonderful discussion here. we all want to thank you, margaret, for coming and visiting us and for a stimulating talk. come again, thank you.
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[ applause ] this sunday night on q&a, brookings institution senior fellow talks about the u.s.'s counterinsurgency and state building efforts in afghanistan. >> the u.s. did achieve improvements in security, but nonetheless has it ultimately been worth depends on how it ends. here is where i hesitate and where i increasingly interrogate myself and question myself. i think that's a moment of opportunity. if we withdraw now, it may collapse. but it's also possible that still two, three years, five years down the road we'll be back in the new civil war in afghanistan. isis is now slowly emerging in
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the country. the taliban is deeply entrenched and hardly defeated. so if we end up five years down the road in new civil war in afghanistan and new safe havens for the taliban and isis, then i would say it was not worth the price. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern and pacific on c-span's q&a. today here on c-span3 between 1:00 and 8:00 p.m., we'll show you a collection of ceremonies held this year here in washington, including a portrait unveiling at the house judiciary committee for long-time member congressman john conyers. we'll also show you ceremonies honoring world war i and world war ii veterans. ♪ about a third of americans are gun owners. there are estimated to be over 300 million guns in private
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hands in american society. about 12,000 people were killed by guns in 2014. well, for this first segment of "the washington journal" this morning, we want to talk to gun owners only. and we want to hear from you. what do you see as a solution to prevent gun violence? gun owners only. 202-748-8000 if you're a gun owner and live in the east and central time zones of the united states. 202-748-8001 for those of you in the mountain and pacific time zones. if you can't get through on the phone lines, you can try social media. @cspanwj is our twitter handle. or you've probably seen the video we're about to show you, but this is andy parker, the father of alison parker, talking about how to prevent gun violence.
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>> she had so much potential, and you know, it's senseless that her life and adam's life were taken by a crazy person with a gun. you know, if i have to be the john walsh of gun control -- look, i'm for the second amendment, but there has to be a way to force politicians that are cowards and in the pockets of the nra to come to grips and have sensible laws so that crazy people can't get guns. it can't be that hard. and yet, politicians from the local level to the state level to the national level, they sidestep the issue, they kick the can down the road. this can't happen anymore. and i know that the nra, they're going to say, oh, gee, if they
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were carrying, this never would have happened. i got news for you. if alison or adam had been carrying an ak-47 strapped around their waist, it wouldn't have made any difference. they couldn't have seen this thing coming. >> gun owners only this morning on "the washington journal." solutions to prevent gun violence. we want to hear from you. our numbers are divided by region. east/central time zones, 202-748-8000. 202-748-8001 if you live in the mountain and pacific time zones. lead editorial this morning in the washington times, stopping the shooters, legislation to treat the causes of mass violence languishes in congress. representative tim murphy of pennsylvania is a man on a mission of mercy and the time is right. because he's the only licensed psychologist in the house, the republican leaders asked him two years ago to suggest mental health reforms that might do something about the rash of shooting incidents like the on the air shooting of two
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television journalists this week in southwest virginia. mr. murphy, like many rational people, thinks the root of the problem lies in the mental health of the shooters. president obama and the democrats say it's only about the gun, as if the shooter just goes along for the ride. they want to exploit the virginia incident for another futile attempt to eliminate guns. mr. murphy argues that the fault is not because the government doesn't spend enough money but that spends money on the wrong things. attention goes to those having a bad day rather than diagnosing and treating those who need the help. these people live on the street, and they're in and out of jail, posing a threat to themselves, their family, and others. about a third of all suicides are reckoned to involve such ailing men and women, and they're responsible for as many as a thousand murders a year. "the washington times" goes on to write that these shooters on the dishonor roll of evil are
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well known by their families, peers, school officials, and others as needing help even before they began their murderous assaults. none of them received treatment or therapy. the navy yard shooter had been earlier detained by authorities in rhode island who notified the navy he was a clear and severe risk to the public. the warning was ignored. important business awaits congress when it returns from its late summer holiday, and some of the most important is mr. murphy's helping families in mental health crisis act. further delay is crazy. lee is calling in from maryland. lee, you're a gun owner, correct? >> caller: yes. >> okay. what kind of gun do you have? >> caller: i have a glock .40 caliber. >> and why do you have that? >> caller: i have it for a number of reasons. i enjoy going to the range.
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for self-defense, for my family. we have a lot of things that are going on. the borders are open. we have illegals coming into the country. we got the threat of domesticated terrorists. so how are we supposed to defend ourself if we can't protect ourself? i believe that the mentally ill should not put everybody in the same basket and infringe upon our rights. i just don't think you put everybody in the same category. >> so what is a solution? what is a solution to prevent gun violence? >> caller: a solution is get rid of these illegal criminals that's coming across the border. you can maybe tighten up on the
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mentally ill from purchasing guns if you have any kind of medical background where they're not psychologically, you know, pass a test or something like that. you can go that way. also, you know, prisoners being released out of prison. it just seems like there's just never in history have we had so many random gun violence like we have seen lately. i just don't understand. if you look at the fbi statistics, the gun violence is down, but the random shootings taking place all over the place, that's something that we've never seen before. >> thank you, sir, for calling in this morning to "the washington journal." next up is jim in reading, pennsylvania. jim, go ahead. what's a solution to prevent gun violence as a gun owner? >> caller: i believe stricter laws. i'm a gun owner.
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i have a 30-30. >> is that a rifle? >> caller: yeah. and a 12-gauge double-barrel shotgun. i have them put away. i used to hunt. i'm 57 years old. i used to hunt pretty much, and i feel as if the nra, they are corrupt. i mean, i believe in the second amendment, but the constitution is so outdated that -- that was 200 years old. >> jim, you said at the beginning that you would like to see stricter laws. what do you mean by that? >> caller: well, i tell you what, i'd like to go through a
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verification of the people but you have to be sensible. i don't like handguns because you can carry them everywhere. and assault rifles, none. that is military. i do not believe in that. >> all right. thank you, sir. comet is calling in from maryland here in the suburbs. hi, comet. >> caller: how you doing? i actually have a very unique perspective because i'm also a law enforcement officer. i carry both for work as well as personally. the number one issue i see as a law enforcement officer is the mental health issues. there are plenty of gun laws on the books. that's not the problem. i don't have issues with the law-abiding citizens carrying a weapon. but we have many issues on a daily basis interacting with
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individuals who suffer from mental illness. many years ago when we changed -- we got rid of the asylums and institutions, a lot of these individuals became homeless, and there's really no avenue for them to have any proper treatment, diagnosis, or any type of medical services. what happens on a regular basis, almost a daily basis, and you can ask any law enforcement officer you may possibly know, they interact with the police typically in negative interactions because the police officer on the street does not know that this person suffers from mental illness because a lot of these individuals also self-medicate with drugs or narcotics or whatever mind-altering substances because they cannot get the appropriate treatment. >> so comet, do you carry all the time? >> caller: yes, i do. i carry all the time.
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i do for my job, and unfortunately, many individuals in the public could potentially try to harm me or my family, so i carry to have the ability to defend myself in whatever situation i'm in. >> thank you, sir. daniel, park ridge, illinois. you're on "the washington journal." we're talking to gun owners only in this first segment. what's your solution to prevent gun violence? >> caller: hello, hi. how are you? my prevention strategy would be for companies to not be able to produce as many guns. the majority of topics that we're talking about here, we're talking about people who are mentally ill taking guns and shooting people and, you know, causing mass trauma.
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the truth is, the majority of people who own guns are law-abiding citizens. the people who are committing crimes are not legal gun owners. even those who are legal gun owners, who slip through the cracks, the guy from sandy hook took his mother's guns. she was a legal owner and he was not. so he took the guns from her and caused a crisis. i think that if there were only allowed to produce so many guns per permit or per license, we would have less people with guns. states that are not -- that don't have permits or licenses where anybody can get a gun seems crazy to me. because in that case, you don't even have people who have been confirmed as capable and -- i don't even know the word.
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>> all right. that's daniel in park ridge, illinois. now from our facebook page this morning, john white says that whatever laws chicago, baltimore, and d.c. have on the books, do the opposite of those. they're three cities with rather stringent gun laws. so far this year there have been 103 homicides in d.c. there have been 35 homicides in baltimore in the last 30 days. and in chicago, according to "the chicago tribune" there have been so far this year 1,897 shooting victims in the city of chicago. ted is in bedford, virginia. as a gun owner, what's your solution to prevent gun violence? >> caller: well -- excuse me. you know, anybody can carry a gun, but unless the government does their job and we have a better, you know, control over
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background checks and we get the gun manufacturers to come up with something like a trigger lock or whatever, you know, there's not much we can do. i'm a veteran, okay. i'm saying this to any veteran that's out there. if you all remember, you go out to the range, you have no live ammunition. you don't carry it. you carry live ammunition while you're on the range. you have people looking over you. you come off the range, no brass, no ammo. okay. let's make a little bit of sense about this. >> ted, are you a gun owner? >> caller: yes, sir. >> and what kind of background check did you go through? any? >> caller: of course. >> what was the process like? >> caller: the process is i had to wait three days, you know. that's not hard to do. come on, if i need to actually
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enjoy target shooting or for i need to kill something for food so that i can survive instead of going to the grocery store, you know, then that's something i need to really think about. as for shooting down your average joe on the street, because i don't trust you and i don't like you and i don't like the way you look or whatever, i mean, there's a lot of stuff going on here. >> another comment from our facebook page. this is from craig who says, liability insurance required at time of sale by the purchaser or liability remains with the seller. josh in odonton, maryland. what kind of gun do you have, josh? >> caller: well, i got three of them. i got a handgun, a rifle, and a shotgun. >> why? >> caller: well, why not? the main thing i was really wanting to say is this whole gun violence thing, i mean, it's not
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really gun, it's just violence. it's just crazy people out there. the question that you guys are proposing as to what do we do about gun violence, why don't we put a different question? what do we do about violence? if those guys are crazy, chances are he's going to go out there and do what he was planning on doing anyway. instead of it being gun violence, maybe he could have grabbed a knife. then it's knife violence. so i don't really like the direction of how can we limit, you know, people from having guns. why don't with have a discussion as to what we can do about trying to help crazy people out. there was one gentleman that actually brought up the point about insane asylums and things of that nature. maybe that's the direction we should be looking. that's my opinion. >> that's josh in odonton, maryland. virginia goff terry mcauliffe spoke after the shooting down in the roanoke, virginia, area about how to prevent gun violence. >> why i say it shouldn't be
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political, chris, is that my job as governor is to keep our community safe. it's important part of being a governor of a state. but secondly, you know, i spent all my time in economic development. i just announced last month the largest surplus in virginia history. you can bring businesses to your stated when your communities are safe. so this shouldn't be political. in a gun show loophole, why does a certain booth have a sign that says, we don't do background checks. who do you think is going to go to that booth? we should eliminate that. all i'm saying for background checks, chris, is it's a simple procedure. it takes two to three minutes. i personally have done it myself. and you talk to responsible gun owners, they all believe in that. i had to veto two bills this year in the general assembly that came to my desk, one that would allow virginians to buy machine guns, a second bill that would allow you to carry a loaded gun in your car. i vetoed both of those pieces of legislation. they could not override my veto. >> and in response, here's "the
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washington post" this morning. virginia gop riled by move on guns. several republican legislators took to twitter to blast mcauliffe for what one called his shameless plittization of tragedy. a measure he mentioned wouldn't have kept the gun out of mr. flanagan's hands. val in burlington, north carolina. as a gun owner, what's your solution to preventing gun violence? >> caller: good morning, sir. well, the first thing i would like to say, education and knowledge. it's not the gun that is the problem. it's the people who are carrying them. so i am a concealed weapons owner. i advise all women to go out and learn about the gun, how to handle it, how to -- what -- each state has different laws. even the gentleman who commented
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about the knife. do you know you can get a felon having a knife -- even if you're carrying it to skin an animal. you cannot carry certain things in your car. so every state has classes that you can go to. if you're 16 or older, your parents can go with you. i advise everyone to get education. educate yourself. then do it the right way. get a concealed weapon permit. i'm a single mom. i do not want my gun taken away from me. i have children. i have a young lady. i have two boys. with the violence against children these days, yes, i am going to protect my child. that's what god put us here for, to protect our children. but we also have to teach them safety. they learn from us. unfortunately today, most parents are working or going to school or even both parents in the household. it's not like when we grew up.
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it's totally different. they're having tv shows and all of these video games about war. it's making our kids immune to the sensibility of killing. killing to them is nothing because of all the games that they have. that's the goal. how many people you kill in a war-like game. so we are doing that. we're producing things to make our kids numb. it's nothing to them to see some blood squirting out of the tv or something, which again goes back to the parent, whether you allow it in your household. yes, the government does have some responsibility, but as parents, we have the most responsibility of our kids. and we have to go back to some of the old-school rules and regulations. >> val, what was the process like to get a concealed carry permit? >> caller: here in north carolina, you actually have to take a class. you take a gun safety class. it's not that expensive.
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it doesn't take all day. you can go on saturday morning. you can go in the afternoon after your convenience. community schools -- community colleges that have gunsmithing, they offer it. there's a couple places in greensboro. you can go and you can take a class. then of course you got to fill out the application. then you do a background check. then you get your gun. but my whole thing is to get that piece of paper so you're not violating any laws, that you have the right to carry it. that should be the plus. for all the citizens that are complaining or don't want guns taken away from us, then do it the right way. get your concealed weapons permit. that way you're not -- you're a law-abiding citizen protecting yourself in what the law allows us to do. >> that's val in burlington, north carolina. there's approximately 300 million guns in the united
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states, over 100 million gun owners currently. richie is one in philadelphia. richie, you're on the air. what's your solution to prevent gun violence? >> caller: good morning. i'm a gun owner. i'm also a paramedic for 30 years in philadelphia. i suggest that we have a psychiatric evaluation like they do in south carolina for your test, if you're going to be carrying a permit. you should have to qualify for a test. also, you have to have more guns, not less guns because there's a lot of bad people out there. that's why you have to make the rules more even, so people can survive. >> richie, what are the regulations for owning a gun in philadelphia? >> caller: you have to pass a test -- excuse me. you have to fill out your
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paperwork. as long as the state says yes, you get it. >> thank you, sir. sandra in pomona, california. >> caller: hello. thank you for taking my call. this is a great subject because the question is the how to prevent gun violence. honestly, there is no way to prevent it. you just said that there are 3 million guns, did you say? >> 300 million. >> caller: yeah, 300 million in the united states. it's kind of silly. i worked in psychiatric care for 30 years. even the mentally ill, the vast majority, are not violent. i own a gun. i've owned a gun for 40 years. i grew up around guns. i live in a neighborhood or live in an urban environment where there are gangs and things like that, but background checks won't do anything because people
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who obey the laws and people who are mentally healthy are going to do the right thing and get a background check and take the safety class and not break the laws. people who are mentally ill or people who are criminals or gang members and things like that are not going to do that. it's ridiculous to think that i can go down the street and buy an illegal gun in probably 30 minutes and it's 3:00, 4:00 in the morning. >> thank you, ma'am. this is a study done by mother jones. it's a columbia university cooperated study. it shows gun ownership state by state in the u.s. the darker the state, the more gun ownerships. according to this, which was published in the journal injury
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prevention, alaska has 62% of adults saying they own a firearm. delaware is at the bottom with just 5%. jack is calling in from tennessee. lookout mountain, tennessee. we're talking to gun owners only in this first segment, looking for ways to prevent gun violence. hi, jack. >> caller: good morning. i have a number of guns, shotguns, handguns, and rifles. i have a little bit of a different take. there are a series of things rather than one or two things. we ought to really enhance sentences when criminals commit a crime with a gun. and we don't. there are a lot of criminals using guns that aren't even sentenced for the gun use. we ought to sweep the ghettos, where people are arming themselves to the teeth and doing drive-bys. we ought to have gun education in schools. if sex education and domestic
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violence remediation education is worthy, certainly people that are uneducated about how to use and properly use guns should be educated. and intelligent use of looking at people on parole, probation, former convicts, these are the people that are really mucking up the system. they're the repeaters. finally, we could use mental health records more intelligently. there's some states like massachusetts over a multiyear period, they withhold and do not report anyone with a mental illness when a background check is ordered. states have the right to either be forthcoming with mental health records or to totally withhold them. and that needs to be looked at. so to me, there are a series of practical steps that could be taken that could ratchet down
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gun violence and kind of help keep them out of the hands of people that are not worthy to have them. >> do you think one of those steps -- and you're down by chattanooga, aren't you, jack? >> caller: right overlooking it. >> right. and you just had a shooting down there. >> caller: correct. >> do you think any of those steps would have prevented what happened at the recruiting office down in chattanooga? >> caller: well, if we added another step and we monitored mosques like we started out after 9/11, perhaps. the radicalization of -- the sudden radicalization of these islamists is a whole other category. they're getting trained in the art and science of making killing fields in whatever country they're in. >> thank you for calling in this morning. well, new jersey governor chris christie also talked about what happened in virginia. >> the fact is we need to have
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more information about people's mental health background, but we don't need new laws in this country to be able to do that. we have laws that exist now. we just need to enforce the ones -- >> you're saying he should have been profiled -- >> no, i'm saying i don't know the particulars about him, nor does anybody else. what i'm saying in general, the problem i see as a governor is that we're not focusing enough on mental health. all you hear now is, let's have now laws, when we don't enforce the laws we have. when i was u.s. attorney in new jersey for seven years, we enforced the gun laws against felons who held guns. they're the ones committing most of the violent crime in this country. yet, we want to be calling for more laws. that's for members of congress to feel useful, quite frankly. >> from the pugh research center, here it is broken down by region. 38% of southerners own guns, 35% of those in the middest have a gun, 34% in the west, and 27% up in the northeast. al up in the northeast in
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charlestown, rhode island. as a gun owner, what's a way to prevent gun violence, in your view? >> caller: good morning, peter. thanks for c-span. peter -- >> yes, sir? >> caller: we're looking at all the wrong answers. number one, one of the first answers is the movies and the videos say the kids see -- you see them in the streets. the videos and movies are big, big causes for the gun violence. number two, no one talks about the crime in the minority community, especially among the black population. they are shooting each other left and right in every city there is, and no one talks about it. you get a shooting like this, and all the sudden it's gun violence. we got to restrict the guns. i'm it willi itelling you it co the family, the videos, the movies. as far as mental health, blame that on the bleeding-heart
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liberal democrats. someone has a mental problem, they don't want it to be known. so they hide it. so we don't want the person to feel bad. so that person gets a gun, commits murders, it's because we weren't able to help people. i am telling you, you're looking at all the wrong answers. but thank you for c-span, peter. . >> back to the pugh research center study on gun ownership. the new research also suggests a paradox. while blacks are significantly more likely than whites to be gun homicide victims, blacks are only about half as likely as whites to have a firearm in their home. 41% of white, 19% of blacks. hispanics are less likely than blacks to be gun homicide victims and half as likely as whites to have a gun in the home, 20%. nolan is calling in from missouri. nolan, you're on "the washington journal." gun owners only this morning.
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solutions to prevent gun violence. zblkz thank y >> caller: thank you for taking my call. i think one thing that needs to be done is where they have the gun rallies and gun shows, those need to be watched really close. that's where a lot of the guns are getting on the streets. i've been to gun shows. ic -- i could buy as many as i want. who needs to buy 30 or 40 handguns? somebody's going to take them on the street and sell them and make money. that's something that's got to be done. the gun shows has got to be -- >> nolan, have you ever bought a gun at a gun show? >> caller: yes. >> and what's the process?
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what was the process for you? >> caller: you hand the money to them and you buy it and go home with it. >> all right. >> caller: can you hear me? >> yep, we're listening. >> caller: okay. >> anything else you wanted to add? >> caller: well, yeah. i'm 60 years old, right at it. i've had it ever since i was 12. i've never taken the gun out of the house, not one time, for anything other than hunting. i don't carry a gun with me when i go out. why? because i'm not scared all the time. thereto is people that's scared all the time. those are the people that kill people. the people that are worried somebody's going to hurt them. >> well, now, nolan, if you've been listening this morning, val called in from burlington, north carolina. single mother and has a concealed carry permit. what do you say to her? >> caller: well, that's fine.
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if that's what she wants to do. i don't have a concealed carry permit. i've got probably 12, 15 guns. i'm a hard core liberal democrat, and i believe we ought to have firearms. i really do. one thing where i live is there's not a lot of jobs here. a lot of people hunt and fish to feed themselves and their families. the firearm here in this country is a necessity for a lot of things. i've never shot at anything in my life i didn't know exactly what i was shooting at. i hunt deer, i fish, i hunt
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turkey. i don't go out and kill things like coyotes and stuff like that. don't need to, it's not a necessity. >> nolan, i want to ask you about another caller we had. this was a gentleman i think from lookout mountain, tennessee, who said that we should quote/unquote sweep the ghettos of guns. or maybe that was from rhode island. but when you hear that -- >> caller: well, yeah. now, i know in springfield they've had gun-buying days. they'll buy guns off people. >> the police? >> caller: and, you know, they're cleaning some of them up that way. but we've got to get the guns off the streets in the cities. that's where a lot of our problems are coming from. and a good place to start is those gun shows. >> that's nolan in alton, missouri. this is sam in shady grove, texas. hi, sam. >> caller: good morning.
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how you doing? >> how are you? >> caller: i'm doing fine. we should remove the exception to background checks as a partial solution. there's no ultimate solution, i think, to the issue. however, if we had real parody with mental health and physical health, families would be better off. >> sam, what kind of gun do you own? >> caller: i have an ak-47. i have shotguns and handguns. >> okay. people heard ak-47. why do you have an ak-47? >> caller: oh, just for target practice. >> as a hobby? >> caller: yes, uh-huh. >> okay. do you -- what if one of the solutions proposed was let's take away automatic rifles like that? >> caller: you know, for what my purposes are, i don't mind losing it. if it helps things out, if
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that's part of the solution, fine. but there is no one universal solution to the problem. we can whittle at it, but i, too, want to keep my guns. >> thank you, sir. front page "new york times," shooting spotlights riddle of workplace safety. it is a nightmare for any employer what to do with a volatile, constantly aggrieved worker who has had angry, even frightening confrontations with fellow workers yet has committed no crime. because he has no convictions or been adjudicated mentally ill, mr. flanagan was able to legally purchase from a licensed dealer the glock 19 handgun used in the killings after passing a background check in june, federal officials said. now, this article continues on, and it says according to the federal government, nearly 2 million americans each year report being victims of
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workplace violence, a broad definition that includes not just physical violence but also threats, harassment, intimidation, and even verbal abuse involving employees, clients, customers, and visitors. from '97 to 2010, there were 8,666 homicides in workplaces of which about one in ten were carried out by co-workers or former co-workers, federal data shows. total homicides in the workplace had been declining to about 400 in 2013. according to the most recent statistics from the department of labor. dealing with employees whose anger and aggression may be tied to psychiatric disorders poses special challenges. employers must accommodate workers who have mental health issues as long as they are able to do their job, and employers can be sued for revealing medical information to a third party, said joseph seiner, an expert on employment issues and
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a professor at the university of south carolina school of law. kathy is calling in from cherokee, north carolina. you're on "the washington journal" this morning. >> caller: good morning. >> hi. >> caller: it starts at home, you know. families are going to have to be more together. parents are going to have to know what their kids are looking at on the internet, facebook, any of that stuff. if parents could just, you know, start watching their kids. i mean, i understand parents work, but you should know what your kid's doing at all times. don't let them get on the computer, not unless you're home. signs will start showing when they're a kid. if you see things keep happening over and over, you need -- you know, that doctor, whoever is seeing that child, needs to step in there and document this. it's not the guns that's killing people.
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it's not keeping up with kids with mental problems. they don't just get mental problems overnight. you know, it comes along. you can see it at the start. if you have a child at home and he's getting in trouble at school and not coming home at night, then you need to do something about it. >> so kathy, are you suggesting that there should be maybe restrictions on gun ownership for the mentally ill or people who have been diagnosed? >> caller: yeah, and that starts while they're young. it don't just happen when they're old enough to get a job. you know, it starts when they're kids. people nowadays are not watching their kids. they're not listening and seeing what they're doing on facebook or the computer. you know, all that needs to be monitored, not just the guns. >> kathy, what kind of gun do you have?
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>> caller: i have a .22. >> what if you were required to keep a gun lock on your .22? >> caller: we have them locked. >> you do have them locked? >> caller: yes. >> but what if you were required to? >> caller: if i'm required to, you know, i'll lock them. they're already locked. they need to be to where kids can't get ahold of them. all my kids raised up around guns, and i could leave it laying out in the corner and they know not to touch that gun. but it's just -- what it boils down to is the way people are raising their kids these days. you know, a long time ago people have had guns sitting out. their kids never did touch them. now, you know, they can set it out and you don't know if your kid is going to touch it or not because you're in the disciplining them and keeping them on the right track. life is like a forked road. you can go down the good road or
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down the bad road. >> what if there were restrictions put on the number of guns that you can own? >> caller: that still ain't going to take care of what's going on. there's always -- i don't care what you do, there's always going to be people that do crimes, get guns. i mean, don't disarm, you know, people that respect guns and stuff. don't disarm them. that's not going to fix it. if anything, that's going to make it worse because individual people are going to get hurt. we'll have more break-ins, and it'll just continue on. >> clarence is calling in from louisiana. clarence, you're on "the washington journal." >> caller: yes, good morning. thanks for taking my call. all these people, second amendment folks, they want to own a gun. i wonder if they ever shot -- actually shot another human
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being. not killed them, shot them, how would they feel about guns then? >> and what's your answer? >> caller: i know a lot of friends of mine are from new orleans. a lot of guys that come back from the war. they swear they'll never pick up another gun in their life. they swore they'll never pick up another gun in their life. you know, to take another person's life -- i've seen a guy get killed when i was, what, 9 years old. the guy that shot him ran behind him after he fell down, then he stood over him and started crying. he went crazy. have they actually thought about taking another human life? it makes you wonder. i got six guns.
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i got rifles, this, that, and the other. why? do you intend to kill somebody? because that's all guns are for. they can say target practice, blah, blah, blah, blah. but what they actually mean is they're planning on killing somebody. >> clarence, are you a gun owner? >> caller: used to be. >> why did you get rid of it? or why aren't you anymore, i should say? >> caller: like i said, i seen too many friends of mine get killed. a guy fighting his girlfriend. the stepson went and got the gun, shot him in the head. just, you know, ever since i was, like i said, 9 years old, saw this first guy get killed in front of our house. another guy was mad with this one over his old lady, blah, blah, blah. and i've seen people -- the gun is in the house, right.
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husband and wife arguing. the gun is in the house. the argument get heated. somebody go and get the gun. i seen that. i seen friends of mine get killed like that. >> clarence in louisiana. talking to gun owners only this morning. solutions to prevent gun violence. ray in el cajon, california. >> caller: hi there. my suggestion is if you want to do psychiatric evaluation on everybody who buys guns, it's going to be very expensive. what they can do maybe in our national rifle association, train a group of like technicians, just like pharmacy technicians, and have them in a gun store, just like gun dealers. when they want to buy guns, do a quick psychiatric quiz along with the other tests. make sure the guy is in the right state of mind. then if anything suspicious, then they can refer them for
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psychiatric evaluation. in other words, a psych technician in every gun store do a quick psych quiz on anybody who wants to buy a gun. make sure they're in the right state of mind. if anything suspicious, then do more evaluation. that should be done along with the other tests, the safety test and other things. just a rapid, quick, psychiatric check on every gun store. >> so ray, what was the process -- >> caller: just train 20 psychiatric technician. just do a quick psychiatric evaluation. >> so it comes down to mental health for you in your view, ray? >> caller: absolutely, because people who do crazy things with the gun are crazy people. then if you initially can pick it up in quick testing or quick
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evaluation, then that's a good way to go about it. >> what was the process like for you when you bought a gun? >> caller: well, i passed the regular test, the safety test. along with it, i could have had another paper to pass a quick psychiatric test. >> thank you, sir. robert is a gun owner in massachusetts. what's your solution? >> caller: good morning. i got a couple comments. first for the guy in missouri. man, that's the only state i know where you don't have to have a background check for purchasing a weapon at a gun show. here in massachusetts, as a matter of fact, all of new england, i don't care what state you go into here, you've got to have background checks. matter of fact, in connecticut, you have to be practically licensed just to buy ammunition. i guess everybody's hit the major point, listening to your program. yeah, psychiatric evaluations.
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simple solution is make your medical records public information. then you can go -- then the people that do the background checks, like i had to go through with the police department here, they look at your records and they see whether you've had any instances where they would be -- you would be, you know, suspect to owning a gun. i don't know why the government has done this a long time ago. i think the nra has promoted this, that they wanted to have people's records made public so they could easily check and evalua evaluate, the instant background check. that's about it, i guess. very simple solution. >> that's robert in massachusetts. another presidential candidate, bernie sanders, quote/unquote,
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was saddened by the on-air shooting. here's "the hill" newspaper article showing that headline. as a liberal democrat or self-described socialist, bernie sanders has been not a gun control advocate necessarily, given his state of vermont, et cetera. so there's a little bit of a mixed bag with his record on those issues. gary is in roulette, pennsylvania. >> caller: good morning. the few people that have called in and suggested that possibly parents should look after their children better, maybe teach them some morals, things like that, that's the only thing that can help anything. kids growing up have got to learn the difference between life and death. you know, when somebody bleeds out, it just wouldn't be fun.
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and they've got to understand that. the people that want to take my guns away from me, they're not interested in death. they just want control of my guns. it's plain and simple. if they were worried about death, they would be marching in front of, for instance, planned parenthood. i mean, more babies are butchered every day than all the shooting in the whole world. and really, the democrats are missing a big opportunity because they say there's a hurricane coming towards florida. why they don't just pass a law against hurricanes? that would take care of that problem. i just -- you know, there's not much you can do. >> gary, as a gun owner, do you feel that the checks system that you have to go through to buy a gun -- do you think they are
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sufficient? >> caller: well, people that aren't going to constitutional right, and the people that are not going to abuse that, such as myself, i have never killed anybody, and i don't think i should have to do any more background checks than what i already had to do, but the people that are going to abuse it, it wouldn't matter how many background checks -- it wouldn't matter if guns were illegal, they would still find a way to kill somebody. >> that's gary in roulette, pennsylvania. senator mark yo rubio said after what happened in virginia, it's not the guns but the people who are committing these crimes. what law in the world could have prevented them from killing them? huey from virginia. what is your view?
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>> caller: good morning. >> hi. >> caller: there has been a lot of good points brought up on your show and i don't think there's any solution, but i want to mention what is going on in virginia. first of all, i am a gun owner and i have a concealed weapons permit, and i do a lot of small game hunting, and i have been doing it all my life, and i am 55 and i started when i was 8 or 9, and that's my one and only big hobby, but in virginia, i don't know about the other states, and i am sure some dislike it, and when i go to a gun dealer, i have to have three i.d.s to show who i am and a background check, which is fine, i have no problems with the laws, and we need them in everything that we do, the rules and regulations are fine, but i can go to my neighbor or i can
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go to the flee market on the corner, or i can go to my gun show that pops up if i just bring any kind of gun i want with no regulations whatsoever. to me, i want to know your view, and to me that's the craziest thing i have ever heard in my life. >> why is that crazy in your view? >> caller: well, it's crazy because if i can go or anybody else can go and buy whatever gun they want at these places that i mentioned and then when i want to buy a grand new gun from a dealer, i have to have three i.d.s and a background check, which is fine, but it's contradicting itself to me, don't make any sense, and i don't know if i am the only one that feels that way or not, and i am all for guns and hunting, i have no -- that's my -- that's what i love, but the rules and regulations are contradicting itself, and don't make any sense
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to me. >> that's the so-called gun show loophole? would you like to see that closed? >> caller: well, a loophole, don't make any sense, and we have flee markets and kwraurld sales -- i have seen them in yard sales, you can buy a gun anywhere you want, and it don't make any sense. what do you think? >> i think it's more important to hear what our callers think than what i think. ray, what do you think about the conversation we are having this morning? >> caller: well -- >> ray, turn down the volume on your tv and listen through the telephone and go ahead and talk and we are listening to you now.
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>> caller: i grew up in identify ho idaho, and grew up with guns all my life, and the solution is the only way the gun will fire and you buy it and be able to put your fingerprints on it. if i steal it, my fingerprints don't go with it. >> so a fingerprint check on a gun? >> yes, and it's like if they could make it, and when the dealers sell it, you would be able to grab it and it won't fire until your fingerprints -- you use it by your fingerprints. if anybody stole it, they can't fire it because your fingerprints won't let you. >> that's ray in idaho. this is trevor in cincinnati. hi, trevor.
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>> caller: good morning. as the old mantra goes, guns don't kill people, people kill people. any of the democrats who say otherwise are only interested in control. i would like to expanded on that for a minute and say that every private citizen deserves a nuclear weapon. >> that's trevor, probably a little tongue and check there, and we're talking to gun owners only, and solutions to prevent gun violence. randy, what kind of gun do you have in wisconsin? >> caller: i have a .22, and i bought a .14-gauge shotgun when i was 14. >> do you believe in the second amendment and b, do you believe there is too much gun violence on the streets and, c, if so what would you do to prevent it? >> caller: for sure i believe in
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the second amendment. too much gun violence? sure, there's too much gun violence and maybe a way to put a stop to some of this, number one, stop and frisk, if you are driving around new york city at night and you get stopped and you get caught with a gun, you are going to jail, and you are going to have something thrown at you. you are not going hunting. stop and frisk would have stopped a lot of violence, but i think the mayor out there, for example, and a lot of cities probably, you know, should have that. how about this one here? this is so easy. this guy that just did the horrible act down in west virginia, just like the school shootings and all this stuff, and what happens is the news media jumps on it and turns that person into a martyr a celebrity
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or whatever. there should be a law wherever there is a shooting, there should not be one thing put on the news, and then the people that are not right and want to be famous, they would think, you know what, i am not going to be famous doing that, so i am not going to do that. so the news media is just as much to blame for propping these people up as they are for doing it. that's a law that this country needs and a strict one on that. >> that's randy in wisconsin. this is manta in capital heights, maryland. you are right here on the border of the district of columbia and maryland has a lot of strict gun laws. what was the process like for you to get a gun? >> i don't think free men need permission to bear arms, and i think the u.s. government is the number one arms dealer in the world.
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the u.s. government are arming terrorists groups like isis, the israeli secret service. so you -- then they come up with the patriot act and the president signing executive orders giving him authority to kill any american citizens without a trial or a jury. i don't have a weapon for hunting. i have a weapon for self defense. if you try to violate my rights or break in my house i am going to defend myself. >> what was the process like to get that weapon in capital heights, maryland? >> caller: excuse me? >> what was the process like to get your gun? >> process? free men should not go -- >> is your gun owned legally? >> caller: legally? what is legal about the
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president -- why do the president need an executive order giving authority to kill any american citizen without a trial or jury? what is legal about that? and that's a law. >> that's manta, and up next is nick, another suburban call. >> caller: hello? >> we're listening. >> caller: i am a gun owner and somebody that knows about the laws. first of all i want to address a bunch of things going on here. i do lobbying down here at the state house for the second amendment and i heard somebody call in and talk about biometrics which is fingerprints on a gun, and that's expensive and if your hand is dirty or has blood on it because you have been attacked, the gun will not function. i heard somebody call in and say we need a law that says the news doesn't talk about or cover these gun tragedies. the problem with that is that's
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against the first amendment and we the freedom of press, and that's censorship, and somebody else said we need to have a psychiatrist when you buy a gun, and who makes that determination? and somebody said we need to violate hippa and allow personal health records to be public, and somebody has a baby and they are diagnosed with postpartum depression, are they allowed to have guns? who makes that determination? ing a loophole is a buzzword for low information voters. what we are talking about is private sale, and it has nothing to do with the gun show. it's private sale. nobody can own fully automatic firearms until you can go through a class 3. the caller with an ak-47, what he is talking about is a civilian version which is semiautomatic, which is legally


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