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history that many prefer to forget but in using the modern phrase "human trafficking," it jefferson, george washington and others into a more uncomfortable historical memory. > you can watch the entire lecture on the presidency here on american history tv on c-span 3. each week leading up to the 2016 election american history tv brings you archival coverage of past presidential races. from the 1992 campaign, jerry brown answering questions from the new york post editorial board. just days ahead of the new york primary. the former california governor won contest in vermont and connecticut heading into new york and needed another victory to continue momentum against bill clinton. jerry brown finished third in new york with governor clinton
winning the state on his way to securing the party nomination. bill clinton then defeated george h.w. bush in the general election. this program is about one hour. >> we welcome you to the post. we are glad to have you. we wish you luck on tuesday. is there anything you want to save us before we go to court -- say to us before we go to questions? temperament, experience, commitment, i find myself in this presidential campaign, offering what i believe to be foronly viable alternative 1992 to restore stability to this country. it is the premise of my case that the governing elite is stuck. it is paralyzed. it can't take the necessary corrective action to restore vitality to this country.
the level of despair and suffering and injustice has no historic precedent in history of our nation. folks in washington are acting as though there are some problems out there that it is pretty much business as usual. 1992.terpretations of one is there are some problems that ought to be corrected. there is another view, there is something profoundly wrong with what is going on in the politics and governing processes of this nation. i take the second view. i believe the social fabric is unraveling. that the central state is aggregating to itself authority that would shock and dismay our founders. that civil liberties are being eroded. that injustice is the experience
of millions and millions of americans in a way that is absolutely intolerable. of kids whoillions do not have a mother or father or received tens of millions in poverty and despair. when you seek exile of a whole generation of americans beat a black, latino, white, red, asian, it is not right. political corruption, mass cynicism at the process, failing competitiveness, a loss of decent thai paying jobs is combining to unravel the fabric isdecent high paying jobs combining to unravel the fabric of this country. to make a challenge to the governing elite and to overcome their resistance. -- you can say,
you said this yesterday -- i would say by record i have always been for protecting the underdog, for environmental protection, innovation and creativity of all kinds. my record is clear. i am not a saint. i have been in politics for 20 years. i grew up with a politician at the dinner table every night. leaders, jewish leaders, san francisco irish politics. that is my upbringing. i also have a moral commitment to justice. as --s not the market that is a community that cares and works for people. this community is not working for all the people that live here. the gap is growing. the chattering class, the people at this table, the media, the lawyers, the politicians and the rest of the people who earn their living by their wits,
their mouth, their pencils. there is another group of people who don't have a job or are losing it because they make cars and people down in mexico are really to do it for a fraction of what they will. 1976 and i went through harlem and i saw bond outbuildings and it shocked me. carter went there and made certain statements and nothing happened. i've been doing this campaign. it is still there. down in congress they are not even willing to vote -- the mayor past program of $28 billion to assist the cities of this country. they are not willing to fully fund headstart. the money is there. over $100 billion for s&ls. a pay raise of $40,000 -- $40 million. economists are saying spend more. there is no three -- no theoretical or political reason for not having a revitalization right here at home. the only thing that prevents it
is the gridlock, the inability of the present system to function and respond to this mortal challenge. that is what my campaign is meant to achieve and to respond to. i am here offering people a clear choice. it is a legitimate -- it is a protest but more than that. it is a choice to restore vitality to a decrepit political process that is discouraging half the american people from participating and my invitation is joined together and in coalition we can restore this country to its original commitment to opportunity and upward growth in each generation. >> we appreciate that>>. if everybody who asks questions could identify themselves, that would make it easier for the governor to respond directly. >> city hall bureau chief. when we start with the tax
question. are you asking new yorkers to commit political suicide with your tax? are you going to restore deductibility for state and local taxes? >> i will save new yorkers more money in my tax proposal than any deductibility offers them. deductibility will be more than compensated for by the savings on the personal tax that i've proposed in substitution of the mess that exists in the revenue sharing and commitments of the cities that my campaign commits itself to. this is part of an integrated strategy to rebuild the city and industries -- the cities and industries of this country. the only study of my tax proposal by the citizens for tax justice is logically flawed. sympathye saying -- and fairness. i am representing those who have lost all advocacy and i'm not
here to in any way disadvantage those that are suffering the most. i want fairness and simplicity. we have to improve and make it better. >> david, did you want to complete the question? >> i don't get it really. new hampshire has no state or local taxes. new york has among the highest in the nation. does no deductibility we will still be paying those taxes. re byt you will save mow broadening the base and lowering the rate. >> new hampshire still won't have local and state taxes and we will be paying them and won't be able to deduct them. >> what you're saying here is you need a federal tax. that makes you feel better if you have a high federal tax against which to deduct. >> instead of paying it 100%, sure. this.ant to capture
if you have $100 and you can somehow offset it with estate if, what is the difference you pay the state tax and you have a federal tax to offset against it? you are happy because there is a burden on you that you can lighten by the payment of your state taxes. if the burden is not there in the first place you are in the same position. the reduction of federal tax that i'm proposing will put you in a better position than you are today. the local and state tax will be there no matter what. mr. brown: but if you are lowering your federal taxi will save enough money that you will come out ahead when you met out the loss and adaptability. the increased savings. the other point of this, you're getting hung up on very small issues. this country is losing its capacity to save and invest.
every economist says we need to find the savings and investment. they say that the business tax i'm proposing will be the most efficient collector of revenue. it will be progressive. if we have to cover the first 15,000 in income we can do that with a slight adjustment so that if you make only 15,000 you won't have to pay any tax. a large collector of revenue. the flat tax is my own idea and i combined them because for most people the payroll tax is the most progressive. you can't the duct state tax against your social security and medicare tax and for most of the people in the world that is the biggest tax burden. it is only the high income people that get the advantages you are talking about. for the person making $25,000, the payroll tax -- i'm offering a rent deduction for the first time. a deduction for charity, for mortgage interest and moreover
this is a concept that is open to improvement. i have seen -- we can make studies available to you whereas if you move up by a very small amount you can have enough money to rebate to low income people making $15,000 or less and cover them from any burden that they might incur. >> jo nicholson, medical science editor. an extraordinary coincidence in the newsroom yesterday. right, leachon my did separate interviews with two people who did not know each other. both were men of stature and high integrity and both told similar stories. i interviewed kurt wolf, news director of channel 11 and a host on channel 31 and 13 at times. he told me he had seen you take a couple of puffs on a marijuana cigarette at a right party some years ago -- a private party
some years ago. mr. wolf did a tape-recorded interview which i have here. my question would be, can you tell us, have you ever tried smoking a marijuana cigarette? mr. brown: no. [indiscernible] mr. brown: show it to me. who is the individual? >> this is kurt wolf. >> he answered the question. mr. brown: i don't know that individual. [indiscernible] >> you say you have never taken a puff of marijuana cigarette in your life? mr. brown: i don't recognize that name. the wanted to go back to meeting we just came from with jewish community relations council. the other people won't know that during that meeting there was an --erim -- an interruption
-- there was a lot of back and forth between that. i would like to ask you having had a chance to think about what happened there, what does that meeting tell us and you think it was a mistake to have chosen reverend jackson as your running mate? mr. brown: it is not a mistake and i hope it is not too late to heal the divisions and animosity between the black in the white community. the jewish community and the black community. we are a country that in certain verycts -- i consider a profound crisis. i am running to create the stability and justice that will allow america to be what its forebears intended. feeling thate jackson is anti-somatic. i do not believe he is. emitic -- i
believe the blacks among other groups in society are seeing their youth destroyed. the highest cause of death among black kids under four's aides. >> [indiscernible] >> you spoke of a particular rift. you make it sound like it is merely a matter of poverty. that poverty generates antisocial behavior, when we know many people who are poor are not antisocial. you summit apologist at times franco social behavior saying it is not the people spoke. mr. brown: keeping this country in the failed condition. >> the country is the cannot also. mr. brown: do not give me that blame america stuff the republicans use at their convention. >> people are not responsible for their own behavior?
you not response before your own behavior? in brown: i believe accordance with the tradition i was brought up at the age of seven we reach the age of reason and are capable of sinful behavior. i believe in personal responsibility. i also understand as a student of history and someone was going on around the world that if you go to a poor nation like india and the punjabi you find the violence because of cast and poverty. communities.hese i've stayed at a homeless shelter in the last two weeks where there were women and their kids living in broom closets. this is america and these people feel alienated. are they better? -- are they bitter? i'm had committed to this country to make it strong and harmonious. >> i was trying to ask a specific -- i do not want to debate with you. mr. brown: i think he is raising a good question.
>> i was try to ask a specific question. you said there was particular rift between the black and jewish community. and i wondered what you thought was the cause of the particular rift between the black and jewish community. why black resentment would -- you'd knowledge there is a phenomenon. this is -- in these poor countries were people start fighting each other. northern island -- northern ireland. intrigue won anytime you have people who are feeling stressed they look for a scapegoat and they find someone who was on the outgroup who has a different language a different skin color, a different religious tradition and they identify that as the source of their problems. it has nothing to do with if
this person is jewish or catholic or that person is a mexican-american. it is the human nature of having a solidarity with one's own group and attributing evil to the outside group. that is being exacerbated in this country. a particular characteristic of one group over another. it is the normal business. the level of despair is out there. i have sat on radio stations. i was on a black radio station in chicago and the asked do you congressman and i said of course not and they looked at me like you don't. i saw the gap in interpretation. that is what concerns me and i think the answer is not to excuse antisocial behavior. prisonked upon a building program second to none. we doubled the number people convicted of felonies from 18,000 to 19,000. my record on crime is tough.
i also knowledge that you need a community where everyone has an opportunity. mothers with no husband and kids living in a broom closet it is a formula for explosion and that is happening not to just a few but to millions. they see on the one hand the affluence and of the other hand utterly to short conditions. the spread of aids, the lack of jobs. the disempowerment of black manhood, that is expose of. is fullrime program employment and a living wage. there will still be people who are criminal who will do terrible things and they should be punished. i'm not saying you an evil. -- you and evil. my believe in human nature is a constant -- original sin and human nature is a constant. social conditions exacerbate
things. a level of murder in this community was 300 now it is something like 2000 year. i believe it is social conditions and the priority which bush and the congress are still talking about is not acknowledged the extent of the alienation. i could have told you this would happen two months ago and i knew this would happen. i knew it was going to be a division. .y campaign is about truth i will tell the truth no matter what happens because i think this country is at risk unless somebody has the guts to stand up and say the emperor has no clothes. >> this concept of a living extent ise, to what it different from the welfare system which doug provides -- which does provide a little wage? theyou for expanding welfare system?
mr. brown: i'm an advocate for having a president in political party it that every american has the right to life, liberty, pursuit of their own happiness, which requires a level of economic security. how we attain that? by cutting the military budget, reinvesting in this country and converting our best technology and investment to a civilian revitalization and all the different ways we can do that, it can also take the form of earned income credit, direct payment. it can take the form of public service jobs, civilian conservation corps. a whole variety of ways that everybody can have an opportunity. all i'm saying is the reigning doctrine -- >> more money in welfare you're saying. mr. brown: the welfare is -- continuing to exist. sitting around in rooms like this and talk about -- people are dying and nobody is doing a darn thing about it.
we have the money and the time to make this country available to all its citizens and part of that -- i'm against the fast track to mexico. i want a monitor right -- i want a civilian conservation corps to enroll hundreds of thousands of young people. i want a training program -- but all the lists people give you are fine that we have to make the commitment and a knowledge meant that we are not living up to our social responsibility and that is killing the country and ultimately it will undermine everything we stand for as americans. >> i want to call on another member sitting around this boardroom. jack newfield? abouteard what you said black jewish tensions coming out of despair and poverty but how do you explain the fact that the most vocal anti-semites in the country are part of the elite?
savage, minister farrakhan. isn't it something that has nothing to do with poverty and despair? mr. brown: they exploit it. when conditions continue with no hope you are always going to be finding people who emerge to press the hot button. answer toaying is the the rise of anti-semitism, the rise of hate crimes, homophobic attacks, is to create a stability based on opportunity that we do not have available to all americans. >> has your potential invites resident -- your potential vice president told you he regrets his involvement with louis farrakhan? [indiscernible] mr. brown: he does not have an alliance as far as i know. i reject mr. farrakhan and
anything like that and i believe if my campaign offers the opportunity to make the shift to domestic revitalization that in its absence will not occur and the erosion will continue. i do not see anything in clinton or bush that acknowledges the depth of despair. the hatred and the animosity building up amongst people who see no way out is threatening the foundation. we have the money, we have the genius that we can not create a welfare state but create an opportunity through jobs through investment here and recognizing the threat is not a russian missile but the social disintegration that comes from despair and lack of income and jobs. even the people that have been your most vocal supporters sort of say you are flying by
the seat of your pants. in own to silence them, why have you not ordered someone from your campaign to crunch the numbers? mr. brown: we have. it works out -- it is amazing. hundreds of billions of dollars in tax loopholes and tax breaks. that is what is holding the economy back. this is a program which everybody talks about. let's strengthen the economy. the economy is stagnant. this is a program to lower marginal rates from the base and create saving and investment that will enable this country to generate the new wealth it needs. --analysis by mr. brown: i think there an article in the wall street journal today. it should becoming. i was told it would be in today. >> questioning your figures and you talk about adjusting them upwards. mr. brown: you can do that if you had a point on the value
added you can totally exempt -- you can cushion the effect. i'm in a coalition. as is a concept of fairness and supposedly. simplicity. -- and both of them have to exist. >> 2.5 generations for the manufacture base to collapse in -- york and what your plans it will certainly take another generation to rebuild it. what do we do in the short term? what can the feds do about the fact that we have one million people on welfare, a crime rate out of control, guns on every corner, metal effectors at the schools? what in the short term can the city ando make that other cities like it into a better city short-term the first six months of your administration? mr. brown: i believe we have to program,on the mayor's $28 billion, revenue-sharing. pump money in, take over the
burden of medicaid. put the money in which will have an immediate effect and i have outlined a program that i believe will make jobs available to unskilled, semiskilled, and skilled. cutting energy consumption in half. that requires retrofitting buildings are replacing lighting coming heating, cooling. reengineering motor systems. >> [indiscernible] mr. brown: i'm talking about a massive program that would be a decentralized effort at private utilities, public utilities, state and federal governments. we have an energy waste because of the lack of efficiency. a lack of new technologies that are now available. i see that in the quick way of jumpstarting the economy and providing jobs. creating the investment, the federal government -- it will be through the utilities like they
are doing in california where they are giving incentives for people to retrofit buildings and replace inefficient mechanical systems. this will require hundreds of billions of dollars -- >> tax increase. mr. brown: the biggest source of capital is the building of new energy. >> isn't the intention tax incentives? mr. brown: you need borrowing in long-term notes by private and public utilities and investment by the federal government to push this along. the infrastructure -- look at the roads. headstart, taking care of -- there is so much to be done. the only -- people do not believe it is an imperative. what caught my attention is ronald reagan defined it as an evil. have aying we
commensurate evil that is more real and threatening and we have to make the same level of commitment in the most ingenious way we can. not just a smaller public sector. certainly a public service core. but it is basically to incentivize the private sector. i want to lower the marginal tax rate and get rid of the deductions in the tax code. i think it is operating as a wet like it. -- wet blanket. >> you mentioned the article in the times of the zero parent family and its growth. we have kids who cannot read and write. no workforce that can supply needs for a lot of our companies . metropolitan life is shifting its insurance claims to ireland to be read by someone who can read and write. i'm talking about the short-term . we have an amazing bulk of people who cannot read or write, never mind work.
mr. brown: we had a cedar program that was a $12 billion program that was virtually canceled and turned into this much more modest effort of job training partnerships. we know how to do it. if people cannot fill out -- i had a program called california worksite in education training program country and people in the private sector for the jobs appropriate in the public sector. the problem is not the list of what to do. laconia, new hampshire. a woman stood up and said i make $5.50. i'm a teacher's aide. i know a lot of neighbors were out of work who like to get a job at $5.30 and those jobs are not available. the federal government spends $300 an hour for lawyers on wall street. there is an imbalance. at the top, things are working. at the bottom there is increasing despair. i believe we can generate the money if we knowledge the extent of the problem. there are so many different ways. -- justt, child care
fixing the roads in this city and state and nation. getting at the business of fixing up public transit is there a but we don't make the same commitment that we make to keep 30,000 troops in japan or 30,000 in south korea or 150,000 in europe or the gulf war or whatever. okre is a sense which it is but the whole world has changed utterly. >> were we wrong to go to war with saddam hussein? mr. brown: i did oppose it. i do not feel i know the full facts. i don't have the full information. somethingt be saying more comic -- know the: i don't relationship between bush and saddam hussein and the encouragement he was given and the ambiguous signals in those
days before he invaded. the efforts that bush made to get foreign credits for saddam. the use of information they made available. they made the impression that they encouraged him in ways whether intended or not and i think that were could have been stopped and had bush listened to some of the congressmen telling him he's moving in the wrong direction. with the extent of the nuclear utility i think you have to take it out. i supported the attack on the research reactor -- reactor and i'm not about to see that men have weapons of mass destruction. >> do you think that bill clinton has the character and integrity to be president? thatrown: i think clinton's record of compromise and accommodation with what i would call the politics of usual positiongive him the
and the moral force to lead the change this country desperately needs. judgmentere to sit in on his personal character. i think it is the issue for people to understand what his politics have been. conflicts of interest. the accommodation. the total embracing of insider money. $1000 donations. the warchest from his friends in washington. folks down there doing business with the state of arkansas. that business of politics which i know so well. closes the kind of shift and change i believe the country needs. tell the truth and
lay it out the way i see it. we are not on course to get at the problem. what clinton has put together is the same old compromise. no challenge to the injustice that is happening and therefore i don't see his candidacy or presidency, which i don't think whatever -- whatever take place -- i do not believe he will get the nomination or if he does that he will attract the millions of people necessary to challenge bush will bring back economy enough to make himself a formidable candidate. >> if he does get it will you support him for president? mr. brown: depending on how the rest of this campaign goes. >> you made a statement to the effect that you're not perfect, yes you have changed. the use of the thighs with people who wonder about -- do you sympathize with people who wonder about the in norm in your political position? mr. brown: could you cite one?
>> as the chairman of the democratic party in california, you were actively involved in the same insider politics that you today so vocally criticized. as a route -- when did you come to the conclusion that the is as an evil as you depicted? you make it sound pretty daemonic. mr. brown: that is the interpretation. , therd jimmy carter say attack on the government is not justified. if you play back his speeches about the tax code being a disgrace to the human race and everything he said it is an interesting shift people make. i supported the political reform act and it was written in my office in 1974. curbs spending and lobbyist influence. parts of it were struck down on first amendment grounds.
i came back after six years, i wanted to link a grassroots party to the incumbent and grassroots people. i raise the money from individual donors in amounts higher than $1000. what i saw, the party is losing its membership. are committed to independent or republican. democratic loyalty has diminished at a greater time than any since roosevelt. i tried to resuscitate it. -- this is the man who conducted charlie keating's finance motor registration drive. i wanted to provide the same level of support. as soon as we stopped this force-feeding of elite money into go register, it stops. nothing coming up from the bottom because there is no believe.
there is no coming together of a real political party based on a platform and a vision and an agenda. what i saw at that time was the thing we force candidates to do -- what all their time she said was i will not go to a meeting of the second $50,000 and if you are going to 20 in one year, you to spend all your time pleasing and controlling the top 1%. i asked everyone to raise their hand, have you ever given a thousand dollars. it is a most 100% in every meeting i go. cutting this absolute between the few who are in charge of the democratic party and the vast majority who we ought to represent in the tens of millions more who don't even show up for the polls because they feel they have been left out. campaign i would run a that depends on the people who
have been left out. people who would call one .00-four to 6-1112 everyone said i could not do it. i took a substantial risk. this is not a campaign of compromise. i know how to pander. i started campaigns saying i would not take any more than $100. my best advice is that you cannot do that. you have the raise at least 250. i said, we will do $100 and everyone came along with it and for the first few months nothing happened. ais month we will -- we filed report with more money in it than bill clinton. this was a field of dreams that we build and people have come. they are coming by the hundreds of thousands. this is an authentic political movement. it is not about jerry brown. i merely a catalyst and if i can get no other point to you i want you to know that as a person who is been around politics from the time i started to walk this is something that is happening. our party is progressively dying
and i am seeing it be reborn from wisconsin to maine to vermont. thousands of people are coming out, making t-shirts, writing letters to the editor, starting committees of correspondence like the revolutionary war. this is something that is alive and vital. i'm a flawed candidate but it is about restoring the party that i love and the country i want to see work. it is coming with all the experience of being a governor and having to raise one million to get there and my commitment was for political reform, to .nvironmentalism to innovation i think if you look at my positions over 20 years when you say this or that, i think there is a core constituency-based on an irish catholic family growing up producing a politician producing a son of a politician and all the circumstances you would expect and this is a good faith effort to create something
open and positive in a dying political process that the majority of people do not participate in and think is a bunch of baloney. i think it should be welcomed. are. don't know how you what about the rigors of the campaign besides losing your voice and maybe your patience and a little sleep? tell us what it is done to you. mr. brown: what it has done to me. >> you have come to down for once. mr. brown: it is reinforcing the original idea of the campaign. >> you personally. what does it do to a man personally to go through this? do you gain rate or lose it -- gain weight or lose it? mr. brown: i lose it. code-5 pounds. -- 25 pounds. when i came back from japan i weighed about 165 pounds.
when i became chairman of the democratic party and ate a bunch of those meals i condemned i weigh 215 pounds. it -- it went against my nature. campaign --e >> what about sleep. mr. brown: fortify the night -- four to five a night. is, theave learned moral principles upon which i grew up with are the anchor and all this microphone in-your-face theing around jackson this post and change her position and all that, the anchors i had growing up, when i believe the me goingass that keeps and can keep politics moving in the direction it has to go. >> who do you dump it on? who do you go to?
mr. brown: i get into bed about 2:00 and get up about 6:30. this is what we do all day. you are seeing it. there is no other life other than unconsciousness. yesterday at the board of elections you began to develop a critique of the nominating process. the system itself. the front loading, the disproportionate represented states. d think this is a fair system? mr. brown: no. >> could it affect a reconsideration? is the system loaded? mr. brown: totally. this is not me talking. studied the american political system both by direct experience and intellectually. people like walter dean burnham have studied electrical markets and they have made a very
important point. we have a skewed electorate. those were voting are older, more education, more income. >> the democratic primary system and schedule. mr. brown: i wanted to put it in a larger context because they all feed each other. system is biased toward upper income participants, which exacerbates the already skewed electorate. that is the reason why aliticians are moving toward dukakis confidence, not ideology type of campaign. effort to move away from even minimal commitment to the traditional constituency in the democratic party. as part of that, the super tuesday was invented to create a
southern candidate, a conservative candidate that would not get into the problems you have a new york where you have jackson democrats, the jewish community, trade unions. all the hurly-burly of a mayor koch or mayor dinkins and the let's marginalize california, new jersey, ohio, pennsylvania, in new york which have been the traditional base of our party, and create more republican suburban version. that is not going to work. bush will win if the dlc super tuesday view of things happens. what we are seeing as a party that does have division. clinton is not winning in the northeast. he won in the south. you have this division and somehow we have to heal it and put it together. i believe the original process by which bobby kennedy and gene mccarthy fought this thing out as late as june, was a more open and authentic process.
now newsweek and a lot of national media wanted end this thing two weeks ago. that really kills the decision-making process and the participation. >> what he thinks sangha's dropped out? mr. brown: he was out of money. all of these guys. i think clinton is a couple million dollars in debt. i want to make that point. this is a campaign well-managed. when we did not have the money, we spent less. we are on track and we are totally embedded in a rising political movement that is not controlled or manipulated by a few thousand people that you can move into these the elite cocktail parties. i know some of the people in the hierarchy of my party can't quite feel it yet but this is the best chance to enable the democratic party to restore itself in a way that millions of more people will come in november to vote. that's the only way there's a
chance. bush is going to win if this thing is a dlc model the issues like clinton did. we were asked about the welfare waiver in new jersey. he said he did not quite like it. he said he would sign it. gesture tomade a liberals and poor people. then i said i will not sign it. that he had to add a little more liberal to cover himself. he was up there saying i'm going to protect seawolf even though he knows seawolf is dead is a doornail. in the interview with mcneil he kind of covered it up. that approach was the dukakis approach. a certain loser. if that is the nomination, which is going to be elected. i'm trying another approach. it has everyone jumping on my
back. we had an exciting meeting this morning uptown. i'm saying let's draw a line. i'm going to stand on truth, the constituency of bobby kennedy and franklin roosevelt and jack kennedy and let the cards fall where they will. this country needs a true opposition party. i'm going to represent that constituency, the unrepresented and let the american people make the choice. >> i see you are wearing the red ribbon of aids awareness. as you probably know the bush administration announced a new media campaign last week. what the media -- the media campaign did not include telling people how to avoid getting aids. it did not mention condoms, safe sex, clean needles. we are now 11 years into this epidemic and millions infected. what is your in reaction to that kind of campaign? mr. brown: another part of the invasion of the governing elite. obviously hiv is passed by sex.
particularly by amel sex. we have yet to talk about that. condoms are not 100% and people ought to know that but they are going to protect to a measurable degree. we have good knowledge it. communicateition to and the president is in a strong position to provide the funding to discourage -- >> the fact that they are not talking about that. the reagan initiation and the bush administration are not talking about how you can avoid getting it, what safe sex is, what clean needles are. mr. brown: we should talk about it. politics is such a decrepit art these days. it's all about little lists and banalities that you could pick up at any office of any think tank in washington and circulate them around and a chattering class promotes in and beats us up in the process.
the chop liver at the end of the road continues the process we are in and i'm trying some way that i believe is imaginative to open the process. howing about aids and sexual activity is going to transmit hiv is going to be part of the process of truth. >> do you have a question? >> throughout the campaign and today you keep talking about political corruption. a very general term. who is corrupt and give us some examples? i'll start with the derivation of the word corruption. a latin word mean to break apart. processng the political is breaking down. congress, the political leadership is not working. >> what about the governors and mayors? mr. brown: these are all fine. i take the view that human nature is fairly constant. there is a bell curve. a few geniuses a few saints and real scoundrels but most of us
are in the middle. what affects us are the systems we create. the system we have is running down. i .3 billion people on the planet -- 5.3 people on the planet. we have hundreds of millions of people in the workforce that will work for a fraction of wages americans work for. our international companies are moving to take advantage of this disparity and wage base and in the process tearing up the cities and the stability of this country. i am about saying, i know you're financed by some of the same financial elite but we have to oppose them to preserve the social and economic fabric of america. whole in the electorate and i'm trying to provide it in a politics that is so dead that people take serious these lists and i love it when
they said clinton gave a major foreign-policy address. it was a bunch of they nowadays and the tvcan get ap to keep repeating it as though something was said. it was meaningless. what is meaningful is the system is corrupted, it is breaking down and if you take 500 million dollars to elected congress every two years out of care few have some saints they will not be very long because you have to go day after day from 1% and you disconnect yourself from hundreds of thousands and millions of people who would like to have a more effective voice and therefore their contribution has to be more proportionate in the process. when you can get the few that can bundle the big-money, you cannot keep that proportion which a democratic system requires. it is a system i think people in the congress at the same goodwill and human nature as anyone around the table but we are forcing them to get the money so you guys take them serious. you people take them seriously.
you get the coverage you get the money. they get in and the same decadence and corruption continues. the system. >> can i get more people from the chattering class to ask questions? >> in real-world terms would you stop american companies from investing abroad and likewise stop foreign companies from investing here? is that the sort of protectionist -- mr. brown: no. -- free-trade and non-free-trade. the greatest free-trade -- ronald reagan adopted more free-trade protections than any president in 50 years. we have to expand it will have to protect the industry of america in an intelligent way. we don't stop international finance we learn to compete in it and we are not competing well enough. strategy.onomic
my strategy would be to set some goals like we did putting a man on the moon and putting him in a space shuttle. the president ought to set a goal like that. high speed trains, fuel efficiency, energy efficiency, better school system. national healthcare system with a real cost-containment like the canadians have. let's set some goals, stretch our imagination come a push the technology and we will be able to compete. in the meantime don't negotiate away jobs. i see people in tarrytown, a good talent that were the stores are opening, you know when general motors closes it will be a ghost town. what is the cost of a ghost town? add up the divorce, the dope, the domestic violence, the deterioration, the loss of belief -- >> how do you use the power of the federal government to prevent gm from leaving tarrytown? arguing that the federal government can intervene in all these cases around the country to make the country better.
mr. brown: i believe we need a greater public sector intervention to maintain the stability and to encourage the modernization process. >> you sound like you believe the government -- mr. brown: i am very skeptical every time politicians get involved they start logrolling and we know what happens. >> your answers consisted of pointing to government programs. mr. brown: i don't see a lot of calluses around here. and for a browse. i've seen these guys in michigan, lookin younger than md looking a lot older. think -- germany is paying $22 per hour. they are on the common market with italy and portugal and they are able to intervene to protect wage structure. i'm for trade union reform, more employee stock options. i want to's bread out the ownership of capital in a way
that will give a different -- >> how are you going to use the federal government to keep gm in tarrytown. mr. brown: proposals to give working people more ownership and say in a management decisions and that a stock options. you gog to give trade unions more cloud so they can negotiate some of these decisions of outsourcing and removal of plants. whatever it takes -- let's get the clunkers off the road. that will reduce pollution. we will increase the fuel efficiency of the fleet and if it takes a federal investment to get a more modernized factory at a better car, i would spend that as a part of a social economic strategy to maintain our base. the challenge is not the ill will of the politicians. it is that we are in a world market where people for one dollar per hour can do what millions of americans have done. there is no genius who has an off-the-shelf answer.
i'm saying we have to find a way to protect those jobs. when we close down the logging and redwood park in california we did give them a year or two of stipends. it's going to be retraining, direct government assistance to modernize. it's going to be negotiating with mexico that will maximize the number of decent middle-class jobs. the reason new york is dying is because 650,000 manufacturing jobs of left over 30 years. we have to find a way to bring them back or you will have an increasingly -- what is the answer now? the answer is to erode civil , testies, bill presence urine and have more wiretapping and undercover agents. that is the response. i'm saying that is ominous. the first presidential debate in my lifetime where capital punishment and executions with the president presiding has become the viable item of
discussion. that is frightening. i say there are examples in france and germany with more indicative planning. they are not perfect but we have got to find a way to modernize in a way and move up the technology scale to compete. japan is building ships. we are hardly building any. german factory workers are making a lot more money than our workers are. we have to organize ourselves in a way that will stabilize that middle-class base which has been the hope of america for 200 years. >> your staff is signaling to me you are off so we will take a last question. curious, what led you to go to calcutta to work with mother teresa? experience shaped you or have you feel about the experience today as you campaign? mr. brown: i spent six months in meditation and
spirituality under the jesuits and buddhists and others. what i find is the biggest obstacle in politics is cynicism. what you think or what i think, what i call the base process. i wanted to see what a woman who would base her life on wholehearted service to the poorest of the poor in a country with hundreds of millions of poor people and after she lived her life will still be just as poor as when she started and to be a will to do it in a way that would touch people's hearts and transform their lives. i wanted that belief, that sense of heartfelt generosity. i wanted to experience it and let some of it rub off on me. i joined with other volunteers in a way that i don't believe i could have in america where i am so well recognized.
the first 2.5 weeks no one knew who i was and i was just there cleaning bedpans and holding dying people in my arms. it opened up a part of me that has enabled me to be a better person. if i can bring some of that the politics i think -- >> what do you do after this? continue: i'm going to building a political movement that will advance the objectives i've said because i don't droppeda politician into washington can make the political shift required. it will take the involvement of millions of people taste on an agenda and a believe that is going to take time to do. we will not turn this thing around in 30 to 60 days. i'm running for president and i think i can get the nomination and when. it is an interesting campaign. whatever happens i'm going to keep going. i stepped aside after 82 because i have been thoroughly trashed. i thought it was good to step aside and let it all kind of roll over.
i thought i could come back with . fresh perspective when you are a politician and your governor of the big state you live in this plastic capsule and have guards around you. everyone wants something. you know what you say can be reported. polls coming out in the paper telling you how much they like or don't like you. totally inhuman. debilitating and psychologically damaging. >> how would you avoid that bubble in the white house? mr. brown: because i have been in it in a very intrusive way. step aside lived a private life, lived in a small village in mexico. study japan. met with political leaders and activists in europe. often by myself. i seen the world and i have experienced it and i am an older and wiser person.
believe the stability, the grounding, the scar tissue and the human experience has served me well. that is why i am presented myself and i believe that -- i have the experience. i'm not cutting you off, but -- >> sure you are. it is my campaign and i determine when we cut it off. answer ande experience going into maryland as a governor. 1976? rocketed toeeks i political stardom. and if you don't get the impression that you are pretty great and you have something special when you don't understand the human psychology. pinnaclee that
-- i went backn to maryland three months later and people didn't even notice me. it was artificially induced. it was the commercials, the organizers, the hoop law. all of this artificial convention and you start to believe it. putting myself up and i had it totally demolished, not only that here but over the rest of my six years as governor from now, the most popular -- people wilson is more unpopular than i was at now, coming back again in the face of radical and laughter. fighting through that and what i is the of all that importance of sticking to it and will power and commitment and not being distracted by all of this powerful attention and
celebrity miss which is extremely intoxicating and disorienting. and i think that is the ultimate corruption of power. in thealso studied schools of humility where they put you in your place, whether it is the jesuit order or the dying kolkata, i have trained in the school of humility and i have a lot of ambition and ego but i think these experiences as some well in a process disorienting as the one we have. i believe this is the greatest contribution that i can make to american politics. and i want to ask people that i'm listening -- please call in. over $5 already pledged million. you have kept a campaign going that they said could not happen.
please, c-span, don't cut it off. c-span, thanke on you for coming to the post. >> will you be attending -- >> yes. [indiscernible] >> during campaign 2016, c-span takes you on the road to the white house as we follow the candidates on c-span, c-span radio and c-span.org. >> monday, on the communicators. tom wheeler in his first interview with c-span since being nominated by president obama in 2013, he talks about issues facing the fcc, including , theeutrality, boxes
internet and privacy. he also discusses how he views the future of telecom and internet. he is joined by a technology reporter for the new york post. -- the washington post. >> what i was fortunate enough to be able to do was to be involved, they were bringing great range -- great change to the american economy and the way people live their lives and that is what we are dealing with in the sec because we are in the middle of one of the great revolutions of all time and the job of the fcc is to say, how do we deal with the changes that we have? >> watch the communicators on monday night on c-span two. this year marks the 215th anniversary of chief justice
john marshall's appointment to the supreme court by president john adams. up next on american history tv, jeffrey rosen lectures on the influence of john marshall. with opening remarks by chief justice john roberts. mr. rosen talks about the ideological differences between marshall and president thomas jefferson, and marshall's influence on later supreme court justices. the supreme court historical society and john marshall foundation cohosted the event in the supreme court chamber. this is about an hour. >> we are delighted to welcome you here to join us in celebrating the 215th anniversary of the appointment of john marshall to the supreme court of united states. this evening is a joint venture between the supreme court historical society and the john marshall foundation. this is not the first time that those two organizations have partnered. as an example, they joined