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periodic breaks. this is our first five-minute break. this is only for the witnesses and the members. those of you in the audience can go after the break because don't want mass rush to the rest rooms spot adam start the clock, five minutes. president trump's pick to being ambassador to china testified at his confirmation hearing today an was asked about trade with china and north korea's nuclear program. that hearing is next on c-span 3. agriculture secretary sonny perdue talks about the school lunch program and the use of migrant farm workers. and later, a debate on globalism. president trump's nominee to be ambassador to china, iowa
governor terry branstad testified at his confirmation hearing. he was asked about his relationship with the chinese president, cybersecurity concerns, and china's role in north korea. the senate foreign relations committee is chaired by senator bob corker. >> foreign relations committee will come to order. we are honored to have so many people here today. i do wonder what's happening back in iowa with the governor, two senators and so many distinguished individuals here and we're glad to vaufl you here in support of our nominee. out of deep respect for senator grassley and ernst, the ranking member and i both will defer our opening comments so that you do not have to sit through those. i know that you would like to say wonderful and glowing things about our nominee and we know
that you have other business that you need to tend to so what we'll do is ask you to please go first. we will then begin the business in the normal way and move to testimony by governor branstad. if would you begin the most honorable senator grassley, we'd appreciate if the we thank you for honoring us with your presence here today and we thank you for your service in so many ways. and with that, we'd love to hear your comments. >> thank you, chairman corker. and ranking member cardin, and members of the foreign relations committee. it's a privilege for me to be here to introduce the governor of iowa, the next ambassador to china and i would say that this gentleman has been an ambassador all of his life for iowa and will make a good ambassador to china. he's been an ambassador for iowa within the united states of america as he has told other
americans about iowa, a great place to create jobs, a great place to do business, and he's been an ambassador for iowa around the world many, many times with many, many different countries, but especially with china being an ambassador for iowa's exports. it's an honor to appear here with senator ernst and it's an honor even a greater privilege to introduce a person that i call a good friend way back when. terry branstad. at least to his first years in the iowa legislature, 1973. as many of you know, governor branstad is the longest serving governor in u.s. history. he's a lifelong iowan who's devote the his life to public service and even whaent in public service as president of ufrlt, he was still an ambassador for iowa. after more than 20 twoe years as my home state chief executive
i'm proud to support governor branstad's nomination to serve our country as the next u.s. ambassador to china. his nomination should come as no surprise to the people of iowa. we have long known and benefited from the relationship governor branstad has with the people of china. a sister state relationship going way back to 1983 has grown into a successful trade partnership that has benefited iowa farmers and businesses. perhaps most notably, governor branstad ebb joys a 30-year friendship with president xi, their first meeting took place in 1985 when xi was then a local provincial official who led an agricultural delegation to iowa. president xi visited iowa again in 2012 when governor branstad was back at the helm for a fifth term as governor of iowa. their relationship reflects a
genuine good will and mutual respect. governor branstad has never stopped working to expect iowa's trade and economic partnerships on the world stage, most importantly including china. he will bring mid western hugh humility and level-headed leadership to this very important job representing the people of the united states and the president there in beijing. he is a workhorse who is unafraid to get in the trench dollars to get the job done. if he is confirmed, i'm confident that governor branstad will bring to bear his tireless commitment to solving problems and always move the ball forward. although his heart will always be in iowa and i know he will return to iowa, i know he will throw himself into this job as being ambassador wholeheartedly. he is uniquely qualified to help strengthen the trade economic and cut ture ral as well as
geopolitical relationships between our two countries '. i'm pleased that he's now been called to serve as the ambassador. i'm very confident that he will represent the united states well and excel just as he had throughout his life-long career of public service as well as his public sector leadership. without reservations, i support this nomination. thank you. >> thank you very much for that and to senator ernst who brought her unique and distinctive background to the senate and certainly made your impact already. we welcome you and look forward to your comments. >> thank you, chairman corker and ranking member cardin and to the members of the committee. it is my privilege to be here today along with our long-time senior senator, senator grassley, to introduce my governor, my friend, and the longest serving governor in u.s. history, tear ray branstad.
a native iowan, served in the iowa legislature from 1983 to 1999 and again from 2011 until what i hope will be his twist confirmation as u.s. ambassador to china. having worked alongside governor for many years, i know he will kpefrp phi the same leadership, thoughtfulness, and dedication in his role as ambassador to china on behalf of the united states as he did for the people of iowa. importantly, governor branstad also knows china and its leaders well. he first met president xi jinping while he was visiting on a research trip in 1985. they have kept in touch over the years and govern far branstad has since visited china a number of times on behalf of the state of iowa. iowa's extensive trade relationship with china has given governor branstad a front-seat view of the complexities of our country's
broader trade and economic relationship with china and will provide him with the foundation to effectively advocate for u.s. interests. while our bilateral economic relationship with china is certainly important, i don't have to tell you that our list of by literal issues with china is long and expands beyond trade and investment continue to clued issues like north korea, the south china sea, human rights and more. accordingly, the position of u.s. ambassador to china is one of the most important ambassadorial positions in the world and i'm confident that president trump has made an excellent choice in nominating iowa governor terry branstad for this role. i look order in to him being confirmed by the senate and bringing the iowa way to beijing. i also want to extend my thanks to the support that has been given to governor branstad by his waerndful family and i know
he'll introduce them soon. they're truly an asset to iowa, i know they're going to be a greater asset for the united states of america. thank you mr. chairman. >> thank you both had the. i know our ranking member would love to thank you for your comments. >>. governor branstad, let me just point out that your two senators are very much respected in this institution and having both of them here to speak on your behalf is impressive and we thank both of our colleagues for sharing their comments about you. >> thank you both very much. so we'll return to our opening comments. governor branstad it's a pleasure to welcome you here today as our next nominee to the ambassador to china. i wish you all the best as you embark on this kpiegt new venture. beijing is not des moines, but i know that -- i know that your relationship with president xi spans decades and i'm confident
that you fully understand the breadth and depth of the challenges awaiting you in china. when we met in my office i appreciated your honesty and candor about managing the complexities in china and i look forward to expanding on that conversation today. as i said previously, the u.s./china ka vip one of the most consequence chal relationships for u.s. national interests. the nature of interests between washington and beijing will have a profound impact on the security, pros parts and security in the region for coming years. you'll have a unique opportunity to help shape that relationship and move it in a direction that's beneficial for both countries, but it certainly will be i difficult task. as u.s. relations with china have been trending in the wrong diction for several years. china's militarization in the south china sea, anden ta electual property which again i was at a meeting last night on this very topic, it's just out
right theft. out right theft. and it's something that has to end. the discriminatory trade and investment practices in addition are just a few of the areas of rising tension in the relationship between us and -- between the united states and them. we can no longer afford to simply manage our differences with china as beijing continues to challenge u.s. power and disregard international norms. however, we should always seek cooperation in areas where we can work together, including reducing the threat posed by north korea. i also believe that we must have a clear -- must be clear-eyed about china's long-term goals which are not necessarily aligned been u.s. national interests. short-term gains should not come at the expense of long-term u.s. national interests, values, rule of law, international norms, and our alliance commitments which we have many in the region.
we must be direct and willing to use our leverage when china challenges u.s. political, security, and economic interests. governor branstad, i look order in to hearing but for your vision for relations with china and plans ton serve as an effective advocate for u.s. national interests. again, thank you for being here. >> i look forward to our ranking members's comments and then your testimony. we appreciate you and your family all being here. >> thank you, mr. chairman and governor plan branstad, once again, welcome to our commit teen and thank you very much for your career in public service and your willingness to continue to serve our country in a very important position as ambassador to china. i also want to share thanks to your family because this is a family sacrifice and we appreciate the willingness of your family to allow your service to our country. you have a very distinguished background, very impressive background.
a confirmation hearing gives us an opportunity not only to look at your qualifications but also to view the scope and tro tra ject tori of u.s. relationship with the country that you've been nominated to represent, the united states, china. indeed, as we contemplate how to address the situation in north korea, we recognize that china plays a critical floel that regard. so as we look at so many of the circumstances around the world, china comes up in our view. 30 years ago we were debating whether or not carolina would be a major power. that debate is now settled. but the question of what sort of power china will be remains. will china help to support peace and stability in asia or seek to overturn the regular order? will china become a trade partner commit to the enforcement of international laws? or will we continue to see the flouting of international norms
as chairman corker has mengszed? well china open space for its citizens to express their own views and ideas, or will it continue ton brutally repress its own people? these are questions that you will confront if confirmed and while we may not yet know all the answers, i'm concerned by some of what we are seeing. for example we've seen an increasing provocative china in the maritime domains coercing and intimidating neighbors in the east china sea and south china sea and attempting to use the threat of military force to address territorial and regional disputes. and, as you and i discuss when'd we sat together recently in my office, i'm gooep deeply concerned by the deter operation of human rights in china and the environment for civil societies and independent voices in that country. when i joined the senate foreign relations subcommittee on east asia, president xi became the president of china. at that time many of us hoped that china was on the verge of a
more progressive and reformed era and that along with growing interaction with the outside world in a significant economic drep development, human rights would indeed improve. yet, the opposite has proven true. president shooe's administration has adopted a slew of laws that violate the most basic hum ranz ran rights of the chinese people, and that presents challenges to u.s. interests and values as well. the community of civil activists in china who tliefd in the 1990s and 2000s partly as a result of the u. engagement both diplomatically and economically have come under assault as never before. when i joined the subcommittee, it was unthinkable that people in the united states or eu would be detained by chinese authorities inside and outside mainland china, yet that is the current reality. and all the while we still do not know if the dalai lama will be allowed to return to tibet, we don't know theys about of the pen she lama, we kont know if
authorities will release laureate loud in 2020 and we do not know if the people of hong kong will be able to continue to exercise genuine autonomy. but we do know that president xi is set to remain in power for the next five years. so i'm very interested in hearing your thoughts on how, if confirmed, you will stand with civil society and with the chinese people, including when it comes to labor rights where i must say your record as a governor in iowa has raised some concerns, and assure the human rights and universal values are at the heart of u.s. policy with china. i'm also interested in your thoughts as to what we may see by way of cooperation with china on north korea going forward. i understand that what the president has asked of china, but i remain concerned that we've seen this movie before and we really haven't seen any change in china's position as it relates to north korea. many of us are concerned that
they'll only go so far, but they're concerned about the stability of the current regime will prevent them from take the necessary steps that change the equation for north korea. we welcome your thoughts on that matter. so let me lastly mention one additional issue. you will take, if confirmed, the oath of office to project and defend the constitution of the united states. before president trump took the oath of office, many of us urged him to take steps to avoid a constitutional conflict with the amull meant clause, and he's the 07b8 president that has not divested or set up blind trusts for his financial institutions. that is not your doing. your doing is to represent our country, if confirmed, in china, and must take steps to make sure that our constitution is not violated. that is, that the trump enterprises are not given favors by the china regime in order --
that would violate the aknoll meant clause. so we're interesting in how you would defend against that particular challenge. >> i look forward to your thoughts on how you can elevate the current state of play between the united states and china, your thoughts on how to move the situation forward on human rights, and what you hope to achieve if confirmed as our ambassador to the people's republic of china. thank you. >> thank you, senator cardin. with that your entire written testimony without objection will be entered into the record, so don't feel that you have to go through all of it. if you can summarize some comments in about five minutes, that would be great, we welcome you here. we thank you you for your willingness to serve in this capacity and look forward to your comments. >> thank you. i'd like to begin by thanking iowa's two outstanding senators, senator grassley and senator ernst. they are very conxi yen sious,
hardworking and outstanding publicer is advance and i'm proud to have them as friends and i appreciate their support. and chairman corker, he ranking member cardin, members of the committee, it is, indeed, an honor to appear before you today as president trump's nominee to be the united states ambassador to the people's republic of china. never in my wildest dreams would i have thought that a farm boy from a small town of leeland iowa would one day have the opportunity to become, with your consent, the ambassador to the world's most -- one of the world's most influential countries and one of america's leading trading partners. i'm thankful to president trump for his confident confidence and his trust in me to take this important diplomatic role. i would not be where i am today if it weren't for the people sitting right behind me. my wife of almost 45 years, chris, is my constant support
and most understanding person that i know. thank you, honey. also, i want to introduce my sons, eric and markus who have joined me today. i know that my daughter alison who's a third-grade teacher and my children's spousesed a ann, jerry and nicole and our seven grandchildren are watching from afar. they've already wished me good luck this morning. pursuing this opportunity was a family decision and i'm very thankful for their guidance, encourage menlt and support, especially over the last several months. if confirmed as ambassador, i will work every day to represent american values to the leadership of china and the china meez people at large. values that include upholding human rights for all and a free
and open market, a rules based order in the ocean surrounding china, and the importance of free press. i look forward to joining the impressive and committed team of public servants and their families from the u.s. state department and many other u.s. agencies at our embassy in beijing and the cons sul lates across china leading this team of dedicated professionals who are working as we speak to promote america's interest in china would be a great honor and responsibility that i would not take lightly. my relationship with the president of china xi jinping goes way back, as you heard, to 1985. as a first-term governor, i had the opportunity to welcome an agriculture delegation from whina, iowa's sister state to the state of iowa. leading that delegation was a young man who's business card
read, xi jinping, feed association of says wang wong. during the trip, we took our new chinese visitors on toweurs of farms andtries and to redepgs sinners. they attend a birthday party, a mississippi river cruise and we showed them true hospitality. i even hosted the delegation in the governor's formal office. a connection was made and a friendship was founded. so this day, president shooe still speaks fondly of iowa and the hospital tailt taltd he enjoyed there so many years ago. if confirmed, i hope to use my unique position as an old friend of president xi and a trusted confident of president trump to positively influence the
u.s./china relationship. as the governor of iowa, i saw firsthand the importance of a positive and healthy trade relationship between our two countries. nearly one out of every two rows of iowa soy beans last year were sent to china as well as a lot of pork in 2016. the importance of trade extends beyond agriculture as well aviation products, manufactured goods, chemicals, electronics and many other tro ducts and services are exported to china daily and help support and sustain the american economy. as ambassador, i will continue to work that i have started as governor to open up the chinese governments to american business of all sorts. this will be good for the american people as it will create more jobs and good for the chinese people as they will have more access to the best
made products that the world has to offer. in keeping with president trump's mission, i am committed to making sure that the trade relationship between the united states and china puts the american worker first. our relationship with china is multifaceted, not solely focused on trade. and i'm aware of the critical national security issues that our two countries must work together on as well. as president trump made clear when he met with president xi at mar-a-lago a few months ago, china could play a critical role until convincing north korea to dismantle its nuclear and missile programs. a strategic policy that would boost the security of america, china, and the entire world. as governor, i had the opportunity to visit taiwan as well. as ambassador, i will be committed to communicating the
united states's continued support for our 1-china policy expressed in the three joint communications and the taiwan communications act. we remain committed to our goal to see that this cross-straight issue is peacefully resolved in a manner that's acceptable to both sides of the straight. i stay firsthand many of the cybersecurity concerns that the united states has in regard to china during my time as governor. when i received a monthly security briefing, the protection of -- the protection of intellectual property and technology security is of utmost importance to our country. and i will continue to make that clear in frank discussions with the chinese government. on the south china sea, china
cannot be allowed to use this artificial islands to coerce its neighbors or limit freedom of navigation or overflight. the united states will uphold the freedom of navigation and overflight by continuing to fly, sail and operate wherever international law allows. as governor i had the opportunity to travel to all of iowa's 99 counties every year. a feat that is named for your esteemed colleague as the full grassley. as ambassador, i hope to continue this tradition by visiting every province in china with a country as large and expensive as china, i know that will is much life and activity outside of beijing. >> i look forward to connecting with the chinese people and continuing a vibrant exchange of culture and ideas that we began back in 1983 when i signed the
sister-state proclamation with governor wong. if confirmed, i will work tirelessly to represent america and her citizens to the best of my ability. i will champion american interests in china with as such federal reserve ver and dedication as i've championed iowa's interests in more than 22 years of dead skags. mr. chairman, members of the committee, thank you for this opportunity to appear before you today. i welcome your comments, questions, and continued dialogue. thank you. >> thank you so much. i'll defer my questions to the ranking member andry serve my time. senator cardin. >> governor, let me compliment you on your opening statement. in the very few minutes have you covered most of the important issues between the u.s./chooin
china relation dollars and i must tell you the way that you've express today i believe compresses what i would have hoped to hear from our ambassador to be to china. and i think you'll find there's strong bipartisan support for the way that you have expressed u.s. interests in these -- in these areas. i particularly appreciate that in the opening part of your statement you mentioned that you would represent american values and that would include upholding human rights for all. you and i have talked about that. i have made it a practice to ask all nominees for ambassadors representing the united states questions related to their commitment to human rights, but for china it's particularly important. we have found that china is moving in the wrong ziks adirec and you pointed that out in smch
your comments and in our private discussions. how you conduct your affairs, where you travel, who you allow access to in our ambassadors, you're reaching out to fgos that have been declared by china to be unwelcomed say real statement about not only our values but universal values. so you can drill down a little bit more for me how you intend to vens our values on human rights if confirmed as ambassador? >> senator cardin, thank you very much. human rights is very important, it's a bedrock of america's value system. as governor, i have always tried to go not only everywhere in the state of iowa but throughout the world. >> i went to the old soviet union six weeks after chur noble. i was one of the early governors to go to china and yet i've always tried to recognize my
responsibility as an american to represent our values and to espouse those and it would be my intention as ambassador to bring in and to bring up these difficult issues that the chinese leadership may not particularly want to talk about but are important. and consequently, i -- i'm not afraid to do that. i have done that throughout my career. i recognize as ambassador it's an even bigger responsibility because i'll be representing the whole united states of america and when americans are anyone else in the world is not treated fairly, i think i, as ambassador, need to braing that issue up to the people in power in beijing. >> so you'd be welcoming to our embassy those who may disagree with the policies of china on their human rights? >> yes. . i would not only be willing to
welcome people of all backgrounds to the embassy, but also to travel to other parts of the country to meet with them as well. >> senator -- >> i think it's important -- i learned this as governor and that is you don't want to just be surrounded by your staff, you want to get out and see the real people in your state and in the country. and as ambassador i want to get out and see the people in china, i want to learn from those people that don't feel they're being treated fairly as well. >> senator rubio and i sent a letter to secretary tillerson requesting that he place a high priority on human rights in our bilateral relationship with china mentioning the problems of religious minorities including the people of tibet. would you be willing to take advance from members of congress on individual cases and champion
them and work with us as we try to raise these issues? >> yes, senator. in fact, as i've gone around an met individually with members of the senate foreign relations committee, a number of those have been brought to mooi attention and it would be my intent to work with all the members of this committee and others in the senate on these issues. i believe that's part of the responsibility of the ambassador is to be there on the ground in china and to be an advocate for our interests. >> and my last request would be that i've asked staff to keep in touch with our ambassadors, and i appreciate the fact that you mentioned in your opening statement, the professional i am of the people that serve and the mission that are critically important. they take dpriks direction from the ambassador. i would ask that you respond to both staffs as to steps being taken to advance the human rights agenda so that we can
work together in regardstor elevating the importance of that part of our relationship. >> i certainly intend to do that and i do understand that we have a very dedicated professional staff, both the staimt state department and other agencies, and it's a very large stf that's available at the embassy and the consulates. i intend to work with them, i want to learn from them as much as i can, but i also want to work directly with you and other members of the united states senate and your staff. >> thank you. >> thank you. senator young. >> governor, thanks so much for your willingness to serve. i thank your family for their years of service as well to the state of iowa. we're frt to have someone who has a personal relationship with the president of china who's put themselves forward as well. >> i enjoyed our visit together. one of the things we talked about was north korea and you've also touched on this very important topic in your prepared
statement indicating that china could play a critical role in convincing north korea to dismantle its nuclear missile programs. what more specifically do you think that china could or should do to push north korea to take the necessary steps with respect to its missile and nuclear programs? china, as you know, is a neighbor of north korea. they are major trading partner with north korea. they have recently put some restrictions on importing coal from north korea. i think there's other things they can do diplomatically and economically to send a clear signal that they, as well as the united states and other countries in the world do not tolerate this tolerate this expansion of nuclear technology and missiles by the north korean leadership.
it's a threat towel after humankind and i think it's critically important that we look at all opportunities to work together. i know that this has been discussed by president trump and president xi. i would want to do all i can to serve as a key go-between as we explore how we can work together with other nations also in asia to address this critical situation. >> so i'm curious whether there air menu of particular economic or diplomatic things question do to heighten the pressure as this pressure continues. and perhaps -- perhaps from a process standpoint you can speak to how you might try and collaborate regionally with -- with the regional bureau there. our secretary of state said publicly within the last couple of days that he doesn't think
our state department's doing a good job connecting its state-level objectives and initiatives to the broader regional concerns. as ambassador to china, could you chespeak to that as you talo specifics on north korea, please? >> i think we always need to look at how question do better and improve. and recognizing that the world is facing a very critical threat from north korea at this time. and i want to make sure that we're not leaving any stone unturned in trying to look at all the different avenues that had available. both working with china and working with other nations, especially this that part of the world. >> well, i'll look forward to working with you and do you commit to if you see a lack of
coordination you'd be communicating that to the secretary of state. hopefully you know have you individuals on this committee which would like to work with you to improve that level of coordination. >> i recently met with secretary tillerson. we have a very constructive meeting and i intend to work very closely with him and with the other state department personality of which -- personnel of which there are some very experienced and capable people at the embassy in beijing right now. >> i'll pivot very quickly to the protection of intellectual property. in your prepared statement you indicated it's uh the utmost importance to our country. i think all of us here agree with that. u.s. leads the world in biomedical research and discovery, however, weak ip protection dollars and a growing array of location zations abroad
are threatening innovative medical exports in the many jobs they support here in home. china in particular is a serious offender, beijing has not lived up to the intellectual property commitments it made to the u.s. and others through the world trade organization. if confirmed in order to protect america's innovation and jobs, what will you do to push the chinese to respect ip connections including in the area of ip research? >> the point you raise is very critical and we've had some experience with that with regard to plant breeding and we actually even had chinese that were stealing knowledge from american companies and i think a few years ago we saw criminal prosecution of that, and it occurred in my state. what i recognize, especially
because of our world leadership in medical technology, that say critical area. but i've heard from many other manufacturers and other businesses about the stealing offen ta electual property. and this is something that, you know, that's why we have patents and that's why we go so far to protect intellectual property rights. and in the meetings i've had with business people, not only in my state but as we've done strayed missions, this is a critical issue of that. and i think as the chinese have advanced, hopefully they're going to see that there's a danger to them as well in having their intellectual property stolen by other countries. so i think it's critically important that they abide by and support intellectual property rights and that it is not only right for america and protecting our business, but it's right for
them as well. and i hope that i can convince them that they need to change their policies and they need to be more vigilant and serious about protecting intellectual property rights. >> senator coons. >> thank you, chairman corker i'll simply follow up on what they said previously. when we had a chance to meet in my office i was clear with you that intellectual property is also a significant concern of mine. i'm have a state that has a long and proud history of invention and innovation. >> i was just at the hagly museum yesterday which has the records of the dew dupont company and all of its early inventions. they have patent models which they're exploring sharing with a dozen people in china. i would like to hear how would you use your important long and
trusting friendship with president xi and what i expect will be your growing knowledge of china as you visit every province to really make intellectual property and stopping the theft of me,'s inventions a key priority in your role as governor if confirmed. >> well, senator coons, the incident that i was mentioning a few minutes ago actually involved dupont pioneer. as you know, we share dupont pioneer. they've been a wonderful american company and we think it's critically important that the rights and i'm aware of the fact that they're doing some important business in china. we also have the world food prize in iowa, and one of the recipients of the world food prize is the chinese gentleman that was involved in rice. and there's opportunity for dupont pioneer and they're also going through a potential mesrgr
right now, there's opportunities for them to work together for the benefit of not only these great american companies, but also chinese business as well. and i want to do what i can from the background and experience i've had working especially in the agricultural area and, as you've heard, xi jinping's first visit to america was an agg. delegation and they were there during spring plantding time. they visited the farm of the president of the iowa corn growers and they visited a turkey farm and they visited others, and manufacturing company that makes bins, grain bins. but i hope to be able to because of that background and experience and because of the very good way that we treated xi jinping and his delegation hopefully to convince him to we
need his collaboration and cooperation in dealing with some of these critical issues where china has not adequately address the protection of these intellectual property rights. >> thank you, governor had the i have two other quick questions four if i might. and let me offer that i look order in to working with you and with the senators from iowa as well as my seen yar senator from delaware to strengthen some of these ties between china and at united states. with the goal of relentlessly pression the importance of the commitment to pass trade patents. you grow a great deal of grain and corn and we do too. >> thank you. and sonny perdue told me he may be from georgia but he also raises corn and soy beans so i was encouraged to hear that are as well. >> as long as all that goes to chickens and chickens go to
china we're all going to be happy. we asserted that china is unfairly restricting u.s. chicken imports, more than 10 mers% of all chicken grown in the united states is exported. we have not been able to access the one of the most promising markets in the world which is china. if they're going to join the world community like wto they need to play by the rules and i hope you will prioritize opening the chinese market pore foult poultry whether it's from georgia, iowa, or delaware. >> well, i agree with you wholeheartedly that we need to have a fair and open market for these products just as they have an opportunity to market a lot of products in our country. poultry is really important. we do sell them a lot of pork, but beef is presently restricted as well. i've also visited with tom villesack who has gone from
secretary agriculture former governor of iowa to working with the dairy export council, and i think there's opportunity to get more opportunity for dairy there as well. this is an area of especially when it comes to agriculture products that i've had a lot of experience in and i hope that because xi jinping has some experience in that background too that it's an area maybe we can make some connection. i've also had some very frank discussions with minister hon who's their ag mingsster on these. >> i'll just reference the last thing we discussed. china has become a dominate player in africa, and i urge you to compliment them on their significant leadership in pledging to shut down their illegal ivory markets, but also to find ways that we can explore cooperation on the continent of africa before we completely lose our foothold as a main player and that you will continue to
advocate for our values in china and in how we both engage in africa. >> i appreciate your bringing that issue up, and i think they have made a commitment now to stop this illegal trade in ivory. and i think that is crit important. before i came back as born i was president of a medical school and i went to africa and we have a number of doctors and medical people that volunteer and even our medical students from des moines university provide healthcare in africa. i think it's critically important that we work together. i will be glad to compliment them on what they're doing in africa. i think we need to look at opportunities to collaborate wherever we can. i'm appreciative of the americans that are donate their services and time to help improve drinking water and to help improve conditions for people in africa.
>> thank you very much for your testimony, governor. i look forward to supporting your nomination. >> thank you. >> governor, i'd expect to you be able to talk fluently about pork and chicken and soy beans, i didn't know our city fell letter from delaware could do that so i've learned a lot today. senator gardner. >> thank you mr. chairman and governor for your time today. and while chris counts his chickens i'd like to end china's beef on u.s. beef. so thank you. >> i'm with. >> you thank you for that. i think we're close but we obviously need a little bit more help to make sure that this market is open freely and fairly to u.s. agriculture particularly beef producers. you and i had great conversations with north korea. i know you've talked about north korea and the role that china plays. the particularly important role that china plays as it relates to north korea's nuclear behavior. this congress will work to change the doctrine of strategic patience which had allowed the north korean regime to proliver
rate and launch a number of missiles, to test a number of nuclear weapons and i think it's important that we look at the north korean sanctions act that this congress passed unanimously as a way order in to make sure that we're deterring aggression and indeed reducing behavior with north korea and others around the world to put more pressure on the kim jong-un regime to demill ta rise peacefully the north korean government and regime. i think we have to consider whether or not china is going to in full faith carry out its commitment under united nations resolutions 2270 and 2321. while right now we see them taking actions that they haven't take nin recent years, will that continue or will they slip back into what china does and that's a policy of its own doctrine of patience as it relates to north korea. what do you plan do if china fails to uphold either the united nations rel resolutionors
indeed fails to use its influence over north korea's regime? >> well, as you've pointed out, they have not abided by these united nations resolutions and i think what's happening right now with north korea is an example of why that needs to change. this is a very serious situation and i don't think china wants to have a flood of refugees from north korea going into their country. i also think that they recognize as other nations in asia recognize this -- a nuclear obsession that the leadership of north korea has and with guided missiles and everything is a very serious threat to humankind and that we need to all look at ways we can work together. i hope that my long-time relationship with the leader of
china and i can convey to him that we sincerely want to work with them and we want to work with other nations as well because this is of the most important and serious threats facing us all at this time. >> do you believe there is a role for u.s. secondary sanctions on chinese entities should china fail to live up to its commitments? >> i think there may well be. obviously that decision will be made by the administration and by the leadership here in washington, d.c. but i think just as recently i think the secretary of commerce, they recently leveed a big fine on some chinese entities that
illegally provided national security information to a rogue nations. so that was, i think, the largest penalty of that sort that's happened to date. so i'm hopeful that's an indication that we're taking these threats real seriously and that we intend to hold companies, whether they're government-owned or controlled entities or otherwise accountable. >> even when it comes to cybersecurity issues and cyberattacks against the united states, many of the north korean efforts against u.s.-based companies have gone through china or travelled through china. so we have a number of cyber sanctions at our disposal as well and i would encourage use of those sanctions as necessary. there's a company in colorado who did business with china,
sold a particular type of pump to a company in china. months later the company from china wrote back to this company in colorado with an e-mail asking some questions about the engineering schematics of the pump. but the new name of the company in china was exactly the same name as the company in colorado. so in those conversations you're having with the chinese government, some experts believe that over 10% of china's gdp can be attributed to the theft of intellectual property. how will you assert cybersecurity issues and intel leg churl security rights to make sure they're living up to their obligations? >> the example you cite from the colorado company, i've heard that from iowan companies as well where they've worked in cooperation with a chinese company and then they see their product being exactly copied. this is a clear violation of
int intellectual property rights. this is something we have to vigorously object to and do everything we can to stop and and we need to convince the chinese with their economy, frankly this threat of property will also come back to bite them as well. and the sooner that they get serious about this, the better it's going to be, not just for improving relationship with the united states and other countries, but also for them in protecting their own int intellectual property rights in the future. >> thank you, governor. we'll continue our conversations on important issues like the south china sea as well and taiwan and the important relationship with our ally taiwan. but i just want to end with this, that i hope this position,
upon your confirmation, you'll use it to work with congress in a way that i think has been neglected over the past several years, that you will have a relationship with members of this committee and the congress in a way that really builds upon this critically important relationship with china and the united states. and i think there's an opportunity to do things as ambassador that truly need to be done with one of the most consequential relationships that the world has to offer. thank you. >> thank you. i intend to do that. as governor i have been co-chair of governor's council -- >> we know you're going to work with us. >> thank you. >> senator markey. >> thank you, mr. chairman. welcome, governor. you and ied a a got conversation about fentanyl in our office. if people were dying from fentanyl across the world in the same as they are in the united
states, 75,000 people would have died from a fentanyl overdose in 2016. the precursing chemicals for fentanyl come from china into mexico for the most part and then they're transported up into the united states. this is still relatively early in this epidemic because people are dying at a very small fraction right now in the country, as they are in massachusetts and new hampshire and other states. but it's coming. a preview of coming attractions. could you talk a little bit about your commitment to raise the profile of the issue at the highest level to make sure that the chinese government understands that we expect them to crack down hard on these fentanyl exporters? >> for the last two years the national governor's association
has been actively discussing these issues. and i agree with you, this is a dangerous poison. basically it's a less costly narcotic than heroin and it's becoming a huge problem in many states, not just in your state but i think in ohio as well as in other states in new england. it's going our direction as well. so we're concerned about it. if we can stop it at its source in china, we need to do that. and that's an issue that i intend to pursue very aggressively. because it's human lives that are being lost needlessly and this is a poison that needs to be prevented from going on to the world marketplace. >> thank you. and again, this has to be elevated to the same level as nuclear nonproliferation copyright trade. it has to be the same exact
level. because people are dying at the same level. >> right. there hasn't been enough public attention about this yet. >> honestly, this is just absolutely a crisis, you know, in your country. we would be losing two korean war levels of americans every single year to fentanyl, two korean levels. so we can't allow that to happen. we have to put the protections in place. and the chinese can be key. in the same way that the chinese are the key in negotiations with north korea. the president says if china is not going to solve north korea we will. well, we have very few options beyond pre-emptive military strikes without china. it is going to require china to
play a big role. but over the last year, from first quarter of 2016 to first quarter of 2017, there has been a 37% increase in trade between north korea and china. notwithstanding u.n. resolutions and their commitments to have tougher sanctions. so can you talk about what you believe has to be the conversation that goes on between the united states and china for them to drastically increase the implementations of the enforcement of the sanctions which would bring the koreans -- the north koreans to the table. the chinese have wanted us to have direct talks with the north koreans for years. i agree with that. but it has to be partnered with crippling economic sanctions by china on the north koreans and that is not happening. can you talk about your view of
that? >> i would hope that recent events has convinced china that they need to take this much more seriously. it happens to be that the leader of north korea's half brother was living in china when we was brutally murdered at the airport in koala -- the threatening actions, i think recently the china daily sent a message to the north koreans that this nuclear mission and missiles that they're shooting off is counter productive. and i hope that they will use that as a reason to tighten down on sanctions and get serious about working with us and other countries in dealing with this. this is a very important and
critical time to deal with that. in light of the actions of just the last few months. >> yep. we don't need a second korean war. >> no. >> that's for sure. >> we don't. >> without the chinese -- >> we need their help and i don't think they want a war over this either. they don't want a bunch of refugees from north korea pouring into china. i have been to harbin, which is north of north korea, it's an agriculture region of china. and we need their cooperation. we need their assistance in peacefully dealing with this and changing this dangerous direction of north korea at this time. >> thank you, governor. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you. senator portman. >> thank you mr. chairman. governor, thank you for coming by to visit.
24 years as governor. >> i probably won't serve out the full 24 years if you confirm me. >> only 23 1/2? >> 23 sessions. >> you've done a great job. and you've shown today that you've got a grasp of what's going on over in china and i appreciate that. it's a tough job. i knew sandy pretty well and was over there with him several times. a china expert. i know you go into this with your eyes wide open. despite your relationship with president xi going back to his days as head of a livestock association, they're tough negotiators. when was u.n. trade negotiator i had an opportunity to negotiate with them quite a bit. we do have a better relationship now at the presidential level than i believe we've had in a long time. but we've got so many issues. i was over there a couple of weeks ago and had an opportunity to meet with premier lee and
chairman of the national people's congress and talk about the issue today, including north korea, including the south china sea, level trading field on trailed and their overcapacity. we also talked about the issue that any colleague from massachusetts, markey, ed markey just raised which is fentanyl. some information that i shared with them is it's leaking into their society. it's not just a question of stopping the laboratoriries in china where some evil scientist is creating poisons coming into our communities -- by the way, the new push is directly fentanyl 90% pure being maid to america, to des moines and to cincinnati and to columbus and it comes through the mail and people with ordering it over the web. and it is killing more people this year by far than it killed last year. this is getting worse, not
better. and massachusetts has been hit hard, so has ohio. but i really believe from talking to experts around the country, this is the new wave. a synthetic form of heroin as you know. but it is 30 to 50 times more powerful than heroin. and there are also more deaths as a percent of the overdose because it's so deadly. they have a responsibility to work with us on this. we need to do more here obviously on the demand side and we need to do more in terms of stopping it through the mail. i would like to hear today from you just to ensure us that you're going to press on this issue. they have 170,000 chemical plants in china. these are legitimate plants, i understand that. they've got a lot of pharmaceutical plants that are illegitimate. and i believe they can do much more to stop the poison from coming into our country. and again, as you said with regard to intellectual property
and so many other interests including north korea, they should have an interest in this. can you confirm that you'll press on this issue and specifically talk to them not just about shutting down some of these plants which they have to do, but actually schedule more of the precursors so they become illegal and that they do more to shut down the fentanyl production in china. >> senator, i want to do everything i can to work with you and senator markey and others that are very concerned about this issue. i think it's really a life and death issue. i also think in addition to shutting down the plants they need to punish the people that are doing this. and i want to press that because it is such an important thing to saving human lives and preventing this poison from -- as you say, it's a danger in their country as well. we know it's a very severe growing danger here. but it's something that has no
place and i want to do everything i can. i'll be looking for advice and counsel on what can be the most effective way. i'm not bashful about bringing up stuff issues in negotiations. you have had great experience in negotiating trade deals and you know, i in a much lower level have worked on that for decades. but this is an issue that really comes to protecting human life. it's something that we've got to talk very seriously. and i intend to raise this as a top issue, along with the others that we've talked about here today >> thanks for that commitment. by the way, most of it is coming from china according to the experts. this is obviously something that they can be much more responsible about. with regard to trade, there's so many issues. let me touch on one quickly. back in 2000 chinese production of steel was roughly the same as
the united states. 100 tons per year. the net importer of steel because the biggest exporter of steel. and in this process they've been selling steel below its cost in the united states of america. it's one of the reasons we have lost over 12,000 steel jobs in this country during this time period, 12,000. i i raised it with them when i was over there. we need to have an ambassador who understands this issue and will be sure that with regard to their dumping that they understand that we're not going to put up with it anymore. there's an absolute necessity to have trade that is level. as you said, i have negotiated with them in the past on trade. this is one of their responsibilities as a member of the wto and a responsible mature
trading partner now obviously. any thoughts on steel, the dumping of steel and your commitment to press on that issue? >> back in 1993 i helped attract a steel company to iowa and they've been sold to ssab. and i've been working with ssab, i've been active among the governors on pressing for action on dealing with the dumping issue and the unfair competition in steel. so this is a critical issue, one that i'm familiar with because we've got a company ssab in mount peelier, iowa in tweechb davenport and muska teen that has been negatively affected by this. i want to do everything i can to make sure that we stop the
unfair and illegal activities that we've seen from china in the steel industry. >> dhaithank you, governor. thank you, mr. chairman. >> i do want to highlight -- there's no country in the world that we have so many issues with. and most important relationship for us, our two countries to manage properly. but i'm uplifted by the fact that you've had so many personal experiences with many of these issues as a governor and you know how important they are to real people. all of us have had family, friends who have died, i'm sure, from fentanyl. we know of the job losses that have taken place, we know of the outright theft. it's just like going and robbing a bank directly, what they do with intellectual property. i doe hope with the relationship you have you'll be a constant
force for dealing with the multiple violations of international norms that take place with china. >> well, senator, i appreciate your counsel on this important issue. this is one thing about being the chief executive, being the governor. the buck stops with you. and whatever happens -- i was governor during the farm crisis of the '80s. i've gone on trade missions all over the world. and i think that background and experience is going to be helpful to me in this role. i have a lot to learn about foreign policy and a lot of these issues and i've been trying to get up to speed as best i can. but i'm not bashful about bringing these issues up and this the fact that the leader of china calls us an old friend doesn't mean that i'm going to be at all reluctant or bashful about bringing up issues where we think they have not been fair
and where americans or anybody has been treated unfairly, be it human rights or intellectual propertymenendez. >> thank you, mr. chairman. governor, thank you for your service and congratulations on your nomination. >> thank you. >> china is probably one of the most complex posts that anybody could ever be offered. so i am still in the process of trying to understand the president's world view and understand how he determines alliances and partnerships. so since obviously you've had some discussion with him about this role, do you believe china is an adversary or an ally of the united states? >> that's a tough question. i think both are potential, but i think we need to do everything we can to try to make them an ally and we need to look at ways that we can work together.
i know from the food perspect e perspective, the chinese are very concerned about food security. and they've had some real issues on food security. and i've been in china and talked to them about how we -- and we, our country that are blessed with safe, secure food supply and it's not only great quality but it's among the cheapest in the world. i'm hopeful that we can use -- >> so our aspiration is for them to be an ally. >> right. >> but if you were to describe them now, our relationship with them now, what would you say that is? >> it's mixed. i think there's a lot of areas of -- but i think we've got to always strive to try to break the barriers. you know, i was one of the first governor to go there, you know, after they began to open up and move to a more market driven
economy. i think that what i want to do is try to stress on them because of the change that's taken place over the last 30-some years, they've benefitted greatly. but they also have an obligation as a growing power now to also play by the rules. >> i appreciate that. >> and do the things that are expected of countries that are world leaders. >> for months after taking office, the president excoriated china for manipulating his currency to the detriment of american workers, insisting he would put american workers and labor force first. but things seem to have changed. can you clarify for me, do you believe that china manipulated its currency in the past? >> i think they have. i think that has changed somewhat in recent months or in the last year or so. but i think that's an obviously
great concern because if they are able to manipulate their currency and make their goods cheaper to export and ours more expensive to import, that is a challenge we're facing. yes, that's an issue we need to continue to monitor. and that is one of many things that i think we need to continue to be vigilant on -- in terms of reviewing the situation and seeing if indeed that has changed or not. >> well i appreciate your directness on that. i too believe they have been a currency manipulator. they're not right now. the question is how do we avoid them, get them to understand that that is not a good proposition for china or certainly for the united states and workers. so i hope that you'll spend some time and attention so that as
you unfold your issues there. i am concerned, as is the president, about north korea, and some of my colleagues have talked about that. but despite some strong rhetoric from china, because of its deep economic ties and its border, china, from my perspective, continues to enable north korea's leaders to pursue destabilizing nuclear weapons. so the question is, we seem to have a lot of hope in president xi as it relates to helping us with north korea. and i do hope that that unfolds. but the question is if it doesn't, should we not consider giving china greater consequences so that they understand their calculous is wrong? frex, the sanctions that senators gardner and i authored would prevent sanctions against chinese banks for which north korea operates a great deal. should we not consider that as a possibility if we cannot get china to do diplomatically what
we hope for them to do in north korea to change their calculous? >> i think we should keep all of these options open. obviously as ambassador i won't be the decision maker on them. >> you'll be a big advise tore the president. >> that's right. i won't hesitate to give my advice and what i'm able to learn on the ground over there. and i do think all options should be open and that we ought to do everything we can to convince them to be much more aggressive in dealing with the threats from north korea and if that doesn't happen then i think we need to look at what can we do to try to apply more pressure to convince them that it's in their interest and there will be consequences if they don't. >> i appreciate it. finally as the coshare of the taiwan caucus, i do hope that -- we will continue to promote the taiwan relations act as the law
of the land, as the essence of our relationship with taiwan. i understand the one china policy. but taiwan is also very important to us. and i hope you will keep the perspective of the taiwan relations act as a focus and our engagement with china as it relates to tie whaiwan. >> i want to assure you have i. i have been to taiwan. i recognize the importance of both the one china policy but of also supporting and enforcing the taiwan relations act. >> thank you. appreciate your directness. >> thank you. >> congratulations on the nomination. thanks for coming to visit with me in my office. i saw you right before the break and i was heading to china and wanted to just tell you that people are looking forward to you as our ambassador. so thank you. >> well the chinese people have
been very nice to me. have taken a lot of pictures of me for what that's worth. but i would be interested in finding out how your trip went. and i think you were intended to go to that bet as well? >> issues of trade, brought up a number of issues. one was on soda ash. >> yes. >> many u.s. industries experience a wide variety of concerns that they're surrounding china's trade policies and practices. as we've discussed in this committee, soda ash continues to face unfair trade practices from china, from other countries. the united states is the most competitive supplier of soda ash in the world due to the abundance of a raw material in the united states. in wyoming specifically with, the green river basin is the world's largest area for the naturally occurring element.
soda ash is a key component for manufacturing glass, soaps, chemicals. china is seeking to capture the global market share from the united states through unfair trade practices. china has given the synthetic ma makers a rebate. will you continue to highlight market subsidies like the market ash on the exports that harm -- >> thank you. the answer is yes. i look at this very much like the steel issue where they're being unfair and where they're providing unfair subsidiesubsid. this is the kind of thing that we have to strenuously object to and try to do everything we can to correct. >> we did raise it with the premier when we were there.
in regard to brief, senator gardner asked a lit about that. child china lifted its ban on u.s. beef last september, technical barriers have prevented the u.s. beef from gaining access to the chinese market. in april i signed a letter on this critical issue to president trump along with 38 other senators including members of the committee, bipartisan members of this committee, senator cain and rich and gardner and young and paul and portman. the letter urged the administration to urge the chinese market to open to the u.s. beef. and it's vital that we work to ensure that u.s. beef is traded fairly and trade barriers are eliminated there as well. >> i agree wholeheartedly. i want to be able to serve beef, american beef, specifically iowa
premium beef at the embassy and at the ambassador's residence. i don't think it's fair that we have to serve australian beef or argentina beef. and this issue goes back to mad cow disease 13 years ago. and as you said, they have announced they're going to do it but it still hasn't been done. that's one of the areas that i feel very strongly about. the trade mission i went on in november to both china and japan, we did have a great press conference and beef tasting in tokyo. and our beef sales -- i was on the early stages of opening that japanese market many years ago to american beef. and that now is really flourishing. and we need the same access no china. mad cow disease has not been in this country for i think 13
years. and besides that, the mad cow came from canada. >> one final question. and it has to do with human rights and economic issues, governor. china is the united states largest trading partner in terms of great potential economic opportunities for businesses in the united states. but china continues to engage in what i believe are serious human rights abuses, political and religious oppression. can you spend a little time discussing how you're going to balance engaging china on the economic front while also demonstrating our nation's concern about china's human right's violations. >> we're a nation that's stood for all human rights around the world. and it's important that the ambassador for the united states make that point and make that along with the other issues that we deal with in china. i'm catholic. i want to go to a catholic church in china.
i respect other people's religions as well. and i don't think religious people should be persecuted. and i -- so i think it's very important that we protect all human rights, including freedom of speech and freedom of religion. >> thank you very much, governor. thank you, mr. chairman. >> i reserve some time on the front end. i didn't ask any questions. i was thinking about the myriad of questions you've been asked about china that all of us live on a daily basis. but between human rights violations, nonfreedom of press, what they do with u.s. journalists and others, the monopoly laws they have there intended to hurt u.s. companies and they do, the national security laws that do the same, the cyber theft that we've hit on several times, violation of international norms in the south china seas, redrawi ining thous
of years of history there. their nonbeing in compliance with the u.n. security council on north korea, knowingly allowing companies to violate that and doing that themselves. the dumping that takes place with china-manufactured goods. the subsidizing that takes place if that's not occurring. and just what we talked about with fentanyl and other kinds of things. can you share us with things that give you hope about the premier's realness, if you will, in really wanting to reform the country so that it comes into more universal and international norms? what are the things that give you hope about their willingness -- by the way, what they do in africa and other places where they basically cause countries there to be debt
laden, doing things with all chinese workers that solely benefit china. i mean give me some optimism based on your relationship. >> well my relationship goes back to '83 -- >> i know. but today. >> china is a closed communist system. it started with henry kissinger and president nixon went there and it began to open up. my predecessor robert ray went to china. laid the ground work. i went there in '84. i've seen a big change. and we were hopeful that when they adopted the economic reforms that lead to more political reforms. i think our disappointment in recent years is -- and frankly my disappointment since president xi became the leader of china -- and he's done some
things to crack down on corruption and to try to clean up system of the bad practices of some of the members of his party. but hae has not done what i hope would have happened, become more open and more willing to accept freedom of press and stop the repression of minorities. those are the kind of issues that i hope to bring up with him. you know, both -- we go back a long ways. we're considered old friends. but i think, you know, he's got to recognize that some of the things that are being done in china today are very much against what i think is the right policies for a world leader. and i think he aspires to be a great leader for his country. but i want to -- as an old
friend i tell him where i think they're falling short and the kinds of things that need to be addressed, including these human rights and property rights and other things. so i hope that i can be an effective spokesman for america and for challenging some of the policies that we think are really going in the wrong direction. >> thank you. senator cain. >> thank you, mr. chair. that was a good question. i've been wondering the same thing. and i appreciate, governor branstad, your service and i'm happy to support you in this position. i've got good democratic friends in iowa who give you high marks, at least as high as they're going to give somebody in your state. >> they keep electing me. >> i come from the state where they just give you one term. i'm the only state where they call governor your excellency. they talk about you nice but want you to leave quickly.
22 years is remarkable. and you've had a pretty amazing track record. i mean as i think about iowa from having visited my friends. the thing i think about the most, ag and forestry is the number one part of the virginia economy and you guys lead with that. what you have done over the years with your tenure with others to improve the lot of family friends through alternative energy. so that together with farming for food they could grow corn and use it to produce ethenol or have a win tower they could use to supplement income. from 1983 to today, that have been revolutionary. >> thank you for bringing that up because i'm very proud of where we've come from. in 1983 we were almost totally dependent on imported energy. a lot of it fuel that, you know, oil that came from the middle
east. most of our electricity was generated by coal. today iowa leads the nation. and my very first year as governor we signed a renewable electric portfolio law that's been copied by 23 other states and we now produce 35.8% of our leg tris pi by wind and we have two big projects been anoused, investing another $3.6 billion in wind turbines and alliance. we'll be over 40%, the first state to do that by the year 2020. and of course we lead the nation in ethenol. we're moving from e-10 to e-15. we also have a number of e-85 pumps in the state. we also lead the nation in
biodiesel. and -- >> not in corn based biodiesel. >> that's soy bean. some comes from animal fat. >> if there's one place in the united states that demonstrates that fighting greenhouse gas emissions and promoting economic growth are not inconsistent goals, it's iowa. >> and it's created a lot of jobs and income as you mentioned for farmers. this is another alternative to farmers. if you have a wind tur bin on your farm, it generates income and property tax. >> i was look agent the website for the iowa corn growers association, they talk about economy, environment, energy security without sacrificing engine performance. >> yeah. >> so in what -- >> the new high performance
engines, they should use 30% or 40% ethenol. and we can clearly produce enough corn to do that and keep the price of food relatively low. >> here's an area of hope that i see, to follow up on senator corker's question. the united states and china are the largest emitters of the greenhouse gases in the world. and as governor of iowa you go there with a story. they're dealing with major environmental challenges. you go there with a story which is we can battle greenhouse gas and do it in a way that doesn't hobble the economy if we're smart, careful, strategic about it, we can do it in a way that's good for the environment and the economy. the one thing i would just ask, and this is not kind of in line with some of your earlier testimony. it is not your decision to make but your advice to give. i think it would be a massive mistake for the united states to pull out of the paris climate.
the u.s. and china were the first in and they're setting leadership for the rest of the world. and if the u.s. were to pull out of it, the effect on the world, the effect on what china might do i think could be significant. and you are the best person in the united states with a story to tell about how you can battle greenhouse gas emissions and also promote the environment at the same time. the iowa corn growers association website lists how ethenol is so much better with greenhouse gas emissions and use of water than production of gasoline. you're an ambassador of the united states to china but i think you could be an ambassador for the clean energy economy tomorrow to the nation in the world that most needs that advice right now. >> thank you for your advice. my oldest son eric actually chaired the bipartisan renewable energy coalition that worked with all of the candidates of both parties before the iowa
caucuses to educate them on renewable energy. in fact, he brought then candidate trump to one of the ethenol plants in iowa. and we got a tremendous response from both parties and i think did a lot to educate the presidential candidates on renewable energy. i think we still have more work to do especially on wind energy when candidate trump came to the iowa state fair, i pointed out that we have a wind turbine right there at the iowa state fair. and i also -- secretary perry, the former governor of texas, they're also a big wind energy state too. >> they had their renewable portfolio early. >> they followed our lead. but they're one of 23 states that copied basically the law
signed in '83. i agree with you. also i would say, there's a company called hz, it's a chinese kpaecompany that has a couple of wind strturbines. i have called on them and frankly we think there's opportunity for collaboration on this in a way that can benefit air quality in the whole world. >> excellent. i look guard to working with you. thank you. >> senator rubio. >> thank you, governor. as you know i spent some time in iowa over the last year and a half. we too went to the fair and my kids enjoyed it quite a much. they wanted to know why we didn't do this year. [ laughter ] >> we hmissed you. you're always welcome. >> i asked them what did you rern at the fair. and the one thing my kids said is we learned you can fry anything. >> even butter. >> anyway.
i appreciate it. and i appreciate your acknowledgment that an economic opening towards a state will not control. it doesn't translate to political opening. i think china is a perfect example of it. i think when they write the book about the 21st century, there will be a chapter or two in there about russia and islamic terrorism but that book is going to be chapter after chapter documents the relationship between the united states and china. how that relationship goes in very many ways is going to determine the direction of the 21st century. there's a sense among the chinese people and many in the government that sur goal is to contain them or keep them down. th that certainly is not the case. we would love to have a partner on the global stage to confront the challenges that we face. what we're not going do do is accept a sphere of influence
where they dominate the region and we're also going to continue to raise the human rights issue because it does play out. china is a vetoers of anything. and it's important to have a distinction between the chinese communist party and the chinese people. they are not the same thing. the ability to save face, in essence to not be publicly embarrassed on the topic. the best way to raise issues with the chinese leadership is in a private forum. given your time and interaction with the current president of china, can you tell us of any instance where you raised a difficult issue or pressed him on something and you felt on an issue that perhaps was not taye lined with the interest of the
chinese communist party. is there such an instance that you know you raised an issue? >> that's a good question. and i think your observation is right on about how we need to find way to partner with them. obviously my role as governor is different than my role as ambassador. as governor i wasn't as aggressive at bringing up the human rights issues and things like that -- >> economic issues. >> yeah, it was economic issues. but certainly we made great progress over the years in opening china for things like soy beans. i mean we're at the point where last year -- i even -- when my staff told me it was 48% of our soy beans went to china, it had been one-third that had gone to china and now it's up to 48% last year. but there's also things that
have gone the other way. ddgs that is a byproduct from ethenol, they've put a tariff on that that's reduced the exports of that. so i have seen areas where we've made progress pf i've also seen areas where we've lost ground. i think we just have to be vigilant in going after those things where we think they're being unfair. i think there has been some good things that xi jinping has done to crack down on corruption within his own party and government. some people say part of that is about getting rid of his enemies. but i think some of it has really been about addressing severe problem they do have with corruption. >> and governor, i guess my point, because my time is about to expire, is there is no shortage of human rights abuses.
you mentioned your catholic faith as i do as well. an 85-year-old catholic businis who has disappeared. what i want to acquire from you today is a commitment that these are issues that you will raise with the government of china, whether it's an american or some other case. because this is really important for the human rights community to feel like the ambassador to china is someone who's going to raise these issues even if it makes our host, in this case the chinese communist party uncomfortable. in light of that, to meet with them in china when they're willing to meet with you. their willingness to meet with some of their exiles in the united states to hear their concerns. this is a very important commitment and a very important part of this job and i think it's really important for those interested in human rights globally and to china to know they're going to have an ambassador willing to raise the
issues in private forums and meet with them publicly. >> i will do that. just to assure you, my first trip to the old soviet union was in 1986. shortly after chernobyl. and i actually smuggled a book in to the american embassy to give to his mother. my wife and i met with a group of refuse -- i'm sure that the woman they had as our escort, the russian -- the soviet person was a kgb agent. we slipped out of her presence and we met with a group to find out what's really happening in what was called leningrad at the time, now st. petersburg. so i'm not bashful about meeting
with dissidents or people that feel they're being discriminated or treated unfairly. i have a history of being willing to do that in my previous role. as ambassador i think it's even more important because of our country's commitment to human rights and i look forward to working with you, ideas that you and others have about people that are not being treated fairly and being able to at least bring those issues up in a private setting. because as you said, it's -- saving face is important in their culture but it's also, i think, important that we confront them with those areas where we feel that they are not abiding by basic human dignity. >> thank you. >> senator carden. >> governor, first i want to
applaud your participation here today. you've done very well in giving us the confidence of your knowledge of the areas and the way that you go about trying to reach strategic decisions as to how to advance u.s. interest. i thank you for that. i want to put a dose of reality on north korea for one moment, because i am concerned with some of the exchanges, not necessarily your response but the realities of the circumstances in north korea. as relates to american values and as it relates to north korea's continued desire to violate international commitments on nuclear proliferation and missile tech proliferations. the challenge is that there really is not a military option for first strike by the united states. unlike the circumstances we found in iran with their nuclear
proliferations, military option would have been terrible but it was doable. in north korea a military option would involve the risk of millions of lives. that's the reality. >> right. >> so we really are faced with changing the calculation in north korea so that they take action to eliminate this threat. which requires china. so that then brings us to the point that china and the united states have some common interests. china doesn't want to see this blow up. as you point out, they don't want the immigrants or migrants coming in from north korea. that's absolutely correct. but they also don't want to see a democratic country on their border. north korea looks at nuclear weapons as their ability for maintaining their regime because we cannot find -- it would be difficult for us to take them out. so how do you deal with china
that's not interested in bringing down the north korean regime, wants to maintain a communist country on their border. how do we work with them and the fear that they have that america's interest is to try to bring down the north korean regime. how do you balance all of that and get north korea to understand that they can maintain their regime security about nuclear weapons? >> that's a very perceptive question that you've asked, senator carden. that is right. there is no way that china is going to want to see a regime change that has a democratic united korea under south korean rule on their border. by the same token, i think we also recognize that seoul is very close -- i mean, i have
been to seoul several times, south korea. i've been to the dmz. i think 20 million people in seoul whose lives are in jeopardy if we were to try to attack north korea. that's certainly not something we want to put those people's lives in jeopardy. so that's why working with the chinese and convincing the chinese that they are the ones that have the potential to really influence the regime in north korea more than anyone else and that the change that needs to take place there doesn't need to be a threat to the system but needs to stop this nuclear proliferation and the building of a guidance system for missiles to attack the united states and japan and other countries in the world.
it is probably the most pressing issue that we have right now. and i want to do whatever i can do try to be a go between between our two countries that can help convince the leadership in china that it's in their interest and our interest to work together to stop this dangerous direction that is coming out of north korea. and their leadership is critically important in doing that. and it needs to be done in a way that they don't feel it threatens them, but also that it will provide security to the other nations in that part of the world. >> and we want to give you the strongest possible hand in making that case. so please feel comfortable to give us advice as to how the congress can weigh in to make
your case the strongest possible for china to help us in changing the calculations in north korea. >> i want to do anything and everything that i can. i'm open to listening to suggestions or ideas of any member of this committee or any member that the senate has. i want to work closely with the administration and everybody else. but i see this as probably the biggest challenge that i've ever had in my entire life and i want to do anything and everything that i can to try to find an acceptable solution for the benefit of the entire human race. >> thank you. >> just to follow along before we close out, i think most people believe that no amount of economic pressure, no amount of economic pressure will keep north korea from developing a deliverable nuclear weapon to the united states. he views that as his ticket to die as an old man in his bed down the road.
his ticket to not being taken out. so it's a strategy that most people believe has problems because of a strong desire to have the weapon. but at the same time china's lack of willingness to play the role that has to be played has got to change. i mean at least we have to attempt, as a world community, to put severe economic pressures on this country to stop it. and i do hope that china is willing to step up to that. i think they do a lot of head fakes and act as if they're going to do things and then never follow through. but i do think something severe is going to happen in the region if they don't. and i think it's totally dependent upon them. we'd love to work with you.
i think the administration is trying to do what they can to bring the world community to help bare pressure to raise the level of concern and awareness. but i hope you'll work with us in whatever way you deem appropriate to help bring pressure to bare. i do hope that the pendulum has swung and that china views north korea as a liability and not an asset. i hope you're going to do everything that you can to ensure that that is the case. but i do believe from the standpoint of global encounters that can get out of control and millions of people be ravaged in the process, this is the one that is most evident to us today. so i hope none of that happens. i hope as the world community will come together. but i do think that in many ways is your most important responsibility as you take on this post. you have -- you've had an outstanding hearing.
i think you're on the ground experiences with china will serve our nation well. i think your understandings of what drives the thinking within china will serve our nation well. i thank you for your willingness to give up a very comfortable place, apparently issues of reelection are not a problem, to go to a post that's much more temporary and yet in many ways far more meaningful from the standpoint of our security and the world security. so thank you. i will leave the record open until the close of business thursday. i'm sure you'll want to answer those questions promptly and will. >> will do. >> thank you family for their willingness for your to be so far away for so many years. and we look forward to your confirmation and working with you. thank you so much. >> well, thank you, chairman
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