tv Senator Chuck Schumer Addresses American Jewish Committee CSPAN June 8, 2017 11:50pm-1:35am EDT
nongovernmental organizations. i think of those actors as web actors, as increasingly important actors, but we don't have strategies for how to bring them together. >> watch after words, sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2's book tv. >> chuck schumer talked about the rise of anti semitism around the world during remarks at the jewish committee global forum in washington d.c. this is an hour and 40 minutes. >> i'm back. i hope you paid attention. this is really a remarkable achievement that we saw in this video under our leadership 50 governors, republicans and democrats alike, joined the
governors united against bbs campaign. together they made a powerful statement. first that the goals of the bds movement are antithetical to their value the and the values of their respective states and second they reaffirmed their support for israel as a vital u.s. ally, an important economic partner and a champion of freedom. i hope you've had a chance to look at "the wall street journal" which carries a full page add naming all the governors who participated as well as the mayor of the district of columbia. bds has been rejected coast to coast. [ applause ] >> thank you. ajc continues to work with local, state, and federal
legislators, and tomorrow one of our key advocacy items is combatting aides of 2017. it protects states that support bds legislation. one of the co-sponsors is here. it's a staunch supporter and committed jewish leader and a long time personal friend of mine. i'm talking about u.s. state minority leader, senator chuck schumer. chuck has been at the forefront of about every effort to strengthen and deepen the relationships between washington and jerusalem. he's also been a strong voice in expressing issue about iran as a threat to israel, and like ajc, chose to oppose in 2015.
he acted out of principal against the wishes of his president and many of his party. we admire his courage then. and we admire his courage now. now, most of you see chuck on the tv shows or the front page of newspapers, and he likes being there. but i want to point out that there's another part, how he is a committed to his constituencies. this is a man who is not forgotten his roots. he returns to new york every weekend and over the course of the year will visit all 62 counties. because he remembers that these are the constituents that have put him in office. i'll give you a personal story. a number of years ago i'm walking across central park west. it's a fairly wide street. and a car comes zooming across and stops right next to me and the back window goes down, and the it's chuck and he says, john, this is the best liver
worst sandwich i've ever had, and he hand me half the sandwich, and then the car drives off. and i'm like in the middle of the intersection with his sandwich. so i can tell you that he's not only somebody who goes to battle for his constituents. he also will give them the food from his mouth. now, notwithstanding all of these positive comments, i'm supposed to remind you that ajc is nonpartisan. we do not support candidates but rather policies and priorities. since i'm told the most dangerous place in d.c. is between chuck and a microphone, in an act of self-preservation, it's my honor to welcome to the stage chuck schumer.
>> thank you, everybody. thank you john for that great introduction. he's been a friend of mine for decades. i've looked for them advice in issues related to israel. he's doing a great job over the last year as president of ajc. you're lucky to have john at the helm. stanley bergman was the predecessor, hair yrriett is noe chair of the board of governors, david harris is amazing and has done this great job for decades. thank them all. and a relative, milton cooper is active through marriage.
would have been nice if i was a direct descendant, but no such luck. i want to praise him as well. i always like to start off by telling a story. and this one -- some of the new yorkers have heard it, but most of you have not, so i'll tell this story. it's about -- it goes under the category, i've never met you in person. in 1992 i was a congressman. i was redistricted from brooklyn to a district partially in brooklyn, partially in queens. i see nita lowy here. hi. i was campaigning in queens to meet my constituents and a woman comes over and says you're congressman schumer. i said yes. she said i read in the queens tribune, you're my new congressman. i said yes. she said i've never met you in person, but i watch c-span, and
you have more courage than any other member of congress. i said well, ma'am, that's a pretty tall statement. there are 435 members of congress. some of them are no good, but most are very esteemable people. what makes you say what you say? she said look, i watch c-span religiously, and every time you tri rise to your feet to speak, you have the courage to wear a yaum ka. >> i said thank you very much, ma'am, it's obvious you haven't met me in person. it's not a yamika. i love these stories. i have time for one more, john? okay. this is another story you cannot tell most of these in -- before an ajc crowd, it's good.
this is when i was first swarn in as a member of congress. my whole family came down. we're waiting in the room or the sworn in by the then speaker and my grandmother, a blessed memory, grabs tip o'neal and as was her won't -- oh i forgot the beginning of it. my grandmother, i was -- my given name is charles, but we had an uncle charlie on my father's said who my mother didn't like. she said if you want to name him charles, his chuck, not charlie. my mother who is tomorrow turning 89. in any case, she always calls me chucky. even now. you know? chucky, why aren't you doing more of this? but my grandmother would always call you chuck-in-u.
i don't know what it means. i hope it doesn't mean something worse. so she grabbed tip o'neal as was her won't, and began to tell them her life story. and she said we were born in the little town but the egging business went bad so we moved to america, but after each part she'd say take good care of chuck-in-u. she had three beautiful sons. she said. they all fought in the war. and none of them ran away she said. because they were breast fed, she said. take good care of chuck-in-u, and now her grandson is being
sworn in. said her son, abe, didn't go to college, and her grandson is being sworn in as a congressman of the united states. what a great country we have, take good care of chuck-in-u. i'm sworn in. we go out to dinner and celebrate. and then it's my first day. i'm sitting at my first desk. i don't know what to do and the phone rings. someone calls up and says my name is lee oh deal. speaker o'neal wants to see you immediately. i said oh boy. it was like the first day of school and you're already called into the principle's office. what did i do wrong? i rush over. i'm in tip's room. the tip comes over to me and says, charles, i very much enjoyed meeting your entire family, especially your grandmother, but answer for me one question. what is a chuck-in-u, and how do we take care of it?
he thought she was lobbying on he thought she was lobbying on some issue or other. captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2008 make, the whole world has horror ofhe terrorism, but 30-40 years ago, it was only israel and the world did not pay too much attention, and it grew and grew and grew. mistakeever make that again, wherever terrorism rears its ugly head. [applause] me. schumer: so first let
talk about something we are all troubled and worried about, and that is the rising tide of anti-semitism around the world. it seems that every time we think for a moment that we have entered a more enlightened era of tolerance, that age-old demon anti-semitism raises its head again, comes back with a new pharaoh lentz. over the past five years -- new era lentz. we have watched the specter of anti-semitism rise again in europe, where it seems to live in the soil as their original sin. i once expressed -- i was talking about our disagreement and one of myal, objections was that the europeans had too much say, and i sort of explained to him that deep in the bones into much of , ande to be anti-semitic it leads to a lack of sympathy for israel. now we have seen neo-nazi gangs
in the streets of european capitals, far right politicians running on platforms that openly, openly promote hostility ews and other religious minorities and jews don't feel safe sending the children to schools, buying groceries, going to synagogue. the rise of anti-semitism in europe is an outrage. it ought to be condemned by the leaders of the world of every faith in every nationality. always simmers just a bit beneath the surface in europe. it has been far more troubling scourgehat scorch that emerge in america. earlier this year, it felt like almost every day we saw a new report of synagogues with graffiti, swastikas, jewish cemetery fanned lies, desecrated
, and waves of bomb threats to our jewish communities and a schools. most hazehe darkest bowl fringes of our society from the far right to the far left have become newly emboldened. we simply cannot stand for this. we have to continue to bring the perpetrators of these heinous asked -- ask to swift justice -- acts to swim justice, and i want to complement ajc. they have been tireless on this front. your initiatives like mayors united against anti-semitism, the muslim-jewish advisory council launched by ajc in the islamic society of north america, i had a meeting with the council of leaders early this year. it shows what we must do. together, joined together, and fight back against all forms of hate. i have worked hard to close the federal government to do everything in its power to combat these threats wherever
they may arise. in march, at my urging, the fcc announced the jewish community centers and other at risk organizations have been granted special emergency waivers that make it much easier for law enforcement to access: id caller idn -- information to track down these individuals are gone enforcement has the tools to get behind it. the sec had to give them permission. just recently congress allocated $25 million for the nonprofit security grant program, which provides nonprofits and religious organizations with the resources for emergency preparedness. the money saves lives i am proud to say. it is bipartisan. we increase the funding this year to new highs. [applause] and international efforts like ajc and groups like
you, continued leadership from the united states is the only thing we have, but it works. through things this hate, we just have to keep working diligently could we can't give up we can shrug our shoulders. we have to keep working. ihn mentioned the great ad read this morning on the shuttle that was a culmination of a great deal of hard work of what you have done. vile attacks i mentioned before are so despicable and motivated by hate that the anti-semitic aspects can't be ignored, but sometimes anti-semitism is cloaked, hidden by certain movements that profess no bias, but suspiciously hold israel and by extension the jewish people to a different standard than others. than is no greater example
this insidious effort to harm the jewish state than through , divestments, and sanctions. the global movement is deeply biased campaign aimed at delegitimizing the jewish state and its supporters, sometimes wittingly, sometimes unwittingly, but all of them practice a modern form of anti-semitism. we have to call them out for that. i want to tell you -- [applause] sen. schumer: -- a little story. the i was a college student sds, the left-wing radical movement but it switched. it has moved from free love and smoke pot and hair down to your ,houlders and all that stuff where bellbottoms -- anybody remember what bellbottoms were? anyway, they switched and were
taken over by a hard-core group, and one of their campaigns was against the state of israel. there shouldn't be a jewish state, it is zionist imperialism. so i was active in a harvard young democrats and on the hill and we invited someone to come speak, and 2000 people gathered in the big auditorium called sanders theater, and the sds, plp was in the balcony and had their banners, stop zionist imperialism, free palestine, whatever. in his tones, which i will not try to imitate at the request of my staff -- [laughter] sen. schumer: i would love to do it. john was right when he said. but he pointed to them and he said, i want to tell you something, you up there in the balcony. i said for centuries, for centuries there has been a
double standard that affects the jews. was not a left to be a farmer, everyone else was. the jew could not live in moscow, everybody else could. could not do this, that come or the other thing. and he said, you in the balcony, when every other people gains their nationhood, you applaud, and he named a few countries. when sri lanka, or zambia or paraguay becomes an independent country, there is only one group of people that you criticize, that you attack when they become a nation, and that is the state of israel. you, he said, are anti-semites. they slinked away. they picked up their banners and never in the last few years that i was in college did they attack israel again. that kind of calling out for
what it is is very, very important. because the double standard -- [applause] the doubler: standard exists today with them. condemns israel, imposes boycotts, seeks to impose boycotts on the jewish state, but willfully turns a blind eye to nations that actually violate human rights. when iran sponsors terror and executes dissenters, they are quiet. when arab nations jailed journalists, punish homosexuality with prison sentences and physical abuse, andis nowhere to be found, that is because the state of israel is all too frequently measured by a different double standard that the rest of the world. it is up to us to fight these efforts to the nail. and are not only unjust
immoral, they are counterproductive and achieving a truly lasting peace between israel and the palestinians, so again, you deserve a huge round of applause for which you did with the governor's. -- governors. [applause] sen. schumer: our state of new law that saysd a if your business or university boycotts israel, new york will boycott you. [applause] just last week nevada did the same. we should call on every governor of every state to pass the same exact law. [applause] on the 50th: anniversary of the reunification bdset's be clear that many
supporters have the same goal as the armies that a mast on israel's border to annihilate the jewish state, but make no mistake, as we defeated them, the bds supporters will be defeated as well. [applause] placechumer: another where cloaked anti-semitism lurks is in the halls of the united nations. the u.n. singles out israel more than any other nation, especially on the humans rights council, which remains bent on admonishing the only deck raman xe and representative government in equal rights in the middle east. i was heartened to hear the new secretary general recently say he would he on the frontlines against the fight against anti-semitism and proclaimed that israel must be treated as any other state, and just last week, they elected a vice president for the 72nd session of the unite united nations
general assembly. [applause] sen. schumer: that is progress. ajc played a role in that in as well. areyour continued efforts very important. at the united nations, we can never let our guard down. since the days of sign is him and racism, the united nations has been an incubator for israel bashing, i form where israel is a must always the victim -- villain and not the victim. you should be wary of it. i hope one day it will happen, israel will become to be treated fairly in the united nations, but until that day comes, the u.s. was always come to the aid of our friend israel in the united nations. it must continue to serve as a bulwark against mere campaigns and efforts to isolate israel. thean't be silent when united nations singles israel out for condemnation. the united stationers should
have vetoed resolution 2334 in december. use the should never united nations as a form to put pressure on israel of any kind. [applause] iran, finally an engaged america is particular important when it comes to iran, which continues to sow instability throughout the region. the regime continues to provide support to its proxies in the conduct ballistic missile tests, flagrantly abuse the human rights of its own people, and unjustly imprisoned foreigners. we must work with our partners in the region to counter iran's maligned activities, just as especially and hold their feet to the fire on compliance with jc poa. i did not support it, but it passed. i don't think we should now violate this agreement.
we should be an watchful waiting to see what happens. it is however incumbent upon us to remain vigilant and watch i ran like a all caps side from the jc poa. their provocative missile tests, sponsorship of terrorism, human rights abuses, are outrageous. it is imperative in the congress that we act in a bipartisan way to counter this behavior and keep that regime in check. [applause] sen. schumer: my friends, the challenges before us are great, anti-semitism at home and abroad , the various campaigns level begins israel at the united nations and the form of the bds movement calls for a brand of isolation -- isolationism that
lee's the united states less able to combat those threats and many more aside. the only way we can protect the progress we have made, defend our friends and allies including israel and continue to work towards a more peaceful and prosperous world is if america leads. when the world cap to live up to cannot trustrld america to live up to its commitments, it emboldens our adversaries. when we do not stand up for human rights and democratic principles beyond our border, it weakens our values within those borders. the world is a better place when america is a beacon for freedom and tolerance. upn people continue to look to the lady who holds the torch in the harbor in the city in which i live.
when economic and social advancement is a goal for all people. america has always been a better country when we embrace that role. >> what would it mean for the jewish people with a u.s. to retreat and look inward, to disengage from a world that is evermore interconnected and interdependent. they will still be there when you watch them. the best thing for israel, and for jews the world over, is a strong and engaged america on the world stage. we must work to keep it that way. [applause] ajclate perez once called
the foreign ministry of the jewish people. the founders believed jewish people should be free to matter where they lived. so they worked hard to build bonds with communities nationwide and they did this while promoting the virtues of pluralism. in the spirit of your founders more than a century ago, ajc knows this type of global engagement is the only way, the only way, to ensure true progress. let's continue to make sure that america engages the world and fights and tolerance wherever it arises. lead forontinues to
the sake of the values and principles that we all hold so dear. [applause] thank you. ♪ >> we grew up in a very politically engaged family that was part of the jewish community, as well as the civic life of the city of detroit. every friday, there was a gathering of whatever family member was available. they had the chick, the wine,
the halai, the apple pie. it would go on for hours after this lively conversation. was, to be engaged, to be involved. whatever the issue was, we would go around the table. everyone was expected to speak. in the end it was all about everybody out -- going about how we repair the world and how do we protect individual rights. how can we be a part of that effort. >> to me, ajc is a natural progression from what we learned growing up. is aboutdoes well relationships. ajcpeople who you meet at are the people my grandmother would invite to dinner. >> ajc felt like family. it felt like coming come to that
shabbat dinner. >> it is a natural expression of what we learned growing up. world is to make the whole world better. that is what ajc does. >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome ajc executive council member, bobby lapin. [applause] >> good afternoon and welcome to my own personal favorite moment of each ajc forum. the annual great debate. this year, perhaps more than any other year in recent times we would all agree it has been
defined by polarizing and often painful disagreements. ajc global forum is no exception. ajc is not new to this reality. every year we featured passionate debates about the most pressing issues in global affairs. over the years, it has become a global fixture. last year, the democratic congress and steve israel faced off against the republican strategist danson nor -- dan sinore, over which hardy better represented israel's interests. the are before we face the fiery debate between two well known journalists about the future of a two-state solution, or the lack thereof. we have posted figure us and
memorable contests between roger cohen and bret stephens. peter by narc on zionism -- peter binheart. and last week, billy crystal on the 2016 election. fosterl has been to respectful but spirited conversations between two prominent thinkers who holds very opposite opinions. that holds true today. in a minute we will look him to our stage our two debaters. on the one side we will welcome ambassador wendy sherman, the former secretary of state for political affairs for president obama. on the other side we will welcome michael durand, a former senior director of the national security found -- council. one of the architects of the bush administration's mideast
policy. and --c's on jason nymex jason isaacson, ambassador sherman, mr. duran, they will both try the question, the america first approach. is it advancing or compromising u.s. interests abroad? settle in, fasten your seatbelts. before we begin, elected turn your attention to the screen for a brief video introduction. >> trump: my foreign policy will always put the interests of the american people and american security above all else. it has to be first. trump promised the foreign policy that would put america first. president trump in his first month in office has the public asking is america first or about style and substance.
? >> am looking at two states, the one state. i like the one that both parties like. >> president trump has signaled a new approach to arab-israeli peace, following strains between the obama administration and israel. what will this mean for u.s. policy on the israeli-palestinian conflict? >> one of the worst deals i have ever dean is the iran -- ever see is the iran deal. >> president trump shows no signs of avoiding the agreement with tehran. >> we have been very clear to the assad regime and a redline for us is chemical weapons being utilized. >> president obama drew a redline with syria on chemical warfare. notit was president trump, president obama, who launched missile strikes against the assad regime.
how will this more muscular posture affect the course of the syrian conflict? >> i am committed to resetting the relationship between our nations. it faltered as vladimir putin challenged his labors and expanded moscow as to influence. would be wonderful if nato and our company could get along with russia. we are not getting along with russia at all. >> will president trump's attempt to set a new course with the kremlin fare any better? as the debate continues over what president trump's america first policies mean, one thing is certain. the world is not waiting. ♪ >> ladies and gentlemen, please
welcome our debaters and moderator. michael durand, ambassador wendy sherman, and ajc's jason isaacson. >> good afternoon. months since his inauguration when he promised that from this day forward it will be only america first, president trump has put forward policies that seek to reposition the united states on the world stage. asserting that america has been taken advantage of by friends and foes alike. he has taken a series of steps intended to reverse the unfair treatment he believes our country has suffered. he has proposed sharp cuts in
the state department and foreign aid budgets. he has lashed out publicly at mexico, australia, and germany. in his first summit 1.5 weeks ago, he publicly scolded our closest allies for owing america money for their defense. week, he announced we would pull out of the climate accord. arguing it would cost the country trillions of dollars and stating i was elected to represent the people of pittsburgh, not paris. there have been multiple signs of reassurance that american policy was not so different. the president has reassured that nato is not so obsolete. he has stuck with the iran nuclear deal, while seeking to intensify pressure on the nuclear program. he has made common cause with some 15 muslim majority nations.
he has pledged unshakable partnership with israel. i would like to begin by asking ambassador sherman and mike duran to analyze the applications of president and to set --es, step back from the daily tidal wave of russiagate and other news and tell us whether the administration is pursuing a course correction in traditional policy or pursuing what might be described as a disengagement from world affairs? before turning to our debaters, a quick word about run roles. ambassador sherman and mr. duran will each have five minutes to speak, and three minutes to respond to each other. while they are speaking and i'm following up with questions of my own, i will last you to write in your own questions. that you pass them to the staff circulating in the aisles.
if you're watching online, tweet your questions to @ajcglobal. after i pose as money questions as time allows i will ask for debaters for concluding remakrs. ambassador sherman. amb. sherman: i am very honored to be here today, and to be part of your annual great debate. like the times editorial said, i believe president trump is leading america in retreat from the world. others,ontrol to undermines the economic and physical security, and american values. it is important to set america first in its historic context. especially important for all of us who are jews. as many of you know, america first was the organizational name of the movement in the 1930's led by charles lindbergh among others to keep america out of world war ii.
lindbergh was profoundly anti-semitic, pro-german, an isolationist, and a nationalist. lindbergh was some who wanted to keep out of america those who did not look like him, people who were not real americans. adopted thismp moniker. it should concern all of us as jews and americans. isolationism, fear of people not like us or the loss of human rights are too that for comfort. the president understood that there were people hurting in america stop families -- america. families who lost jobs through trade felt unanchored and unseen. his answer was america first when the answer lies elsewhere. we are at full employment, even if some are underemployed, and trying to take care of the kids in college on incomes that stagnated in the wake of the
recession. the answer for these families is better job retraining, trade adjustment assistance, a higher minimum wage, a college loan system that works and the embrace of a new and future economy. historically, we as a people know better than anyone. the trump administration has for the most part tried to disconnect from critical alliances, core american values and life-saving objectives. most recently, the president withdrew from the paris climate agreement, a nonbinding commitment by 200 countries to voluntarily reduce harmful emissions to save the planet. withdrawing from the agreement will not bring back coal jobs, but it will make it harder to compete in new technologies. hopefully, leadership by governors, mayors, and major
employers will save us from our self ensure that are gradual to have a future. presidency, of his president trump withdrew from the transpacific partnership, leading allies and others to consider if they should turn to china. he hectored our european partners and left them to fend off russian aggression. following the stop in saudi arabia that contained no tough messages. he visited israel but left unclear his way forward. the budget reduces the state department by 31% while substantially increasing the defense department. i want a strong military, the credible threat of force is a critical element of diplomacy. is gutted, hecy will have to buy more bullets. secretary tillerson along with the white house has not built many of the state department
positions leaving us fearless on many fronts. most concerning is the recent wall street journal op-ed, director of the national economic council. this in the world is not a global community. as the new york times said, this is not hardheaded realism. it's a vision of a world with cutthroat competition, zero-sum outcomes, deeply at odds with the most cooperative, rules-based divisions that have motivated america and its allies since world war ii. the petition will not allow nations to work together to defeat terrorism, deal with climate change, stop pandemics, reduce poverty creating middle classes and markets worldwide --
we believe in the concept. america should as well. the american jewish committee was founded in 1906 to prevent the fragment of civil and religious rights of jews and to alleviate the consequences. i know that i have three seconds, but i will be fast. as ajc develop, if fought against immigration restrictions of the 1920's, equality for all americans in the 1950's, a boycott of israel in the 70's, and in the 1990's, began a diplomatic engagement and supported nato. in a 21st century, opened a transatlantic institute in brussels. helped raise money for the items of the south asian tsunami and hurricane katrina, and advocated for energy independence and green policies. i could go on about all that ajc has done to engage in the world. clearly ajc leaves that the united states and its people --
believes that the united states and its people are a force for global people. ajc has never been an america first organization, nor should our country be. [applause] wendy.acson: thank you, mike durand, you have a next 30 seconds. mr. durand: thank you to all of you for coming. thank you to the ajc for inviting me. i completely agree with ambassador sherman, it is a great honor to be here embracing this controversial issue. i have a slightly different position. i think the historical starting point for understanding america first is not charles lindbergh. educator, i guarantee that nobody under 65 remembers charles lindbergh and america first.
i better place historically to start it would be march 2016. i know that the phrase predated that, but but that was when bernie sanders defeated hillary clinton in the democratic riemer he. -- primary. for those of you have read "s hattered,m you know that the sanders victory completely blindsided hillary clinton. she walked around after the event saying that she was utterly mystified by the behavior of the voters, and did not understand why she wasn't connecting with them. the book tells you in the enlightening first chapter that the campaign had a great difficulty at the beginning coming up with a nation for hillary clinton's desire to be president, to explain why she went to the presidency. that is after almost a decade of running for president.
the book is enlightening about hillary clinton, and she is the subject, but really it is a much deeper message than just hillary clinton or her campaign. completetory about the disconnect between the washington elite and the voting public. i would include in that ambassador sherman and myself. the last election was a wake-up call for all of us. notforeign-policy elite is fashioning a message and policies that resonate with the priorities of the american people. that is what america first means, number one. a foreign-policy that resonates with borders, and demonstrates the policies our elite are trying to advance on the global stage. the second point is that it is a resounding rejection of the philosophy of the obama administration. the absolute failed philosophy.
views heir to a point of after the and of the cold war that, for lack of a better term i will call, the end of history viewpoint, advanced by francis fukuyama. our elite decided that things ofe clients, credible use -- alliance, credible use of force, were outmoded, often counterproductive, and damaging to the united states. if you doubt me, just go back and read the u.n. generalissimo speeches that president obama gave -- the un's general assembly speeches that president obama gave year after year. we are no longer in an age when one country can dominate another, and so forth. this is a philosophy that led
the administration to reach out to enemies and distance itself from friends. we saw that in the iran deal. president obama's attitude for the middle east is that it was an arena populated by friends and potential friends. he went to a great extent to win over the potential friends like he ran at the expense of our -- friends, like iran, at the expense of israel. to do this, he had to deceive the israelis and the american public in a number of areas. if i had come to you in this forum in 2013, and told you that the consequence of president obama's policies would be the rise of the russian-iranian alliance across the middle east, the development of an iranian territorial corridor, the displacement of 10 million people in syria, the ejection -- injection into europe of
millions of refugees, or over one million refugees. if i told you that iran would emerge from the deal with the right to enrich and reprocess itnium, and within 10 years, would have an unfettered program which the international community would look upon like that of any other country, that it would be an international law on par with belgium, you would have laughed, rolled your eyes and said, this is a dysfunctional fantasy. but it is a reality that was a direct result of the philosophy of president obama, which president trump has rejected. [applause] you have to do it louder, and wasn't as strong as the other one. [laughter] if you notice in his trip to the middle east, he was embraced by by allies, by israel,
saudi arabia, with something like euphoria. are doingis cartwheels in the air and that is what america first means. mr. isaacson: perfect time. amb. sherman: impressive, very impressive. [applause] mr. isaacson: wendy, you have the right of rebuttal. amb. sherman: a couple of points. perhaps you have to be over 65, which i certainly am, to remember lindbergh, but i think that we all teach every generation never again. [laughter] [applause] [applause] to ensure never again, it means not closing one's eyes to the world, but rather understanding the world as it is. the world got more complicated after the end of the cold war. everyone had lined up with one
side or the other. it is true, there are many powers and rising powers. though the united states represents the only superpower in the world at the moment. that is not the senate russia and china are not trying to become superpowers, t. putin is trying to reconstruct the soviet union. all of this is true. iran does engage in maligned activities in the region, but imagine how much worse it would be if iran had a nuclear weapon and could project power into the region and deter our and our allies' actions. as a factual matter, reprocessing is not allowed in the iran deal. iran is only allowed extremely limited enrichment, under very strict monitoring.
to get this issue out of the way, which we cannot do entirely, i want to be clear that what president obama understood, painfully, was that iran knew how to do what it knew how to do. it had mastered the entire nuclear fuel cycle. we could ball away the facilities, and the president, in fact, commissioned a weapon to do just that, to be able to penetrate the underground facility. theold the iranians, military threat was quite a critical threat of any negotiation. we also understood that if we bombed those facilities, iran would re-create them in two or three years and do so underground. we could continue to try essentially run but those were beginning to fray. our partner stuck with us --
partners stuck with us. they cut back their oil from iran because we were involved in syria's diplomacy. those sanctions would not have held up. without those negotiations, under strict limits, was the way to go. to ensure that iran never obtained a nuclear weapon. israel was part of what we did every step of the way. i consulted with them on a constant basis. their technical experts will tell you that at least for the safer asde, israel is a result of the deal than not having the deal. -- he end of the day,
i never doubt for one moment that the leaders of the country do what they believe is in their best interest even when i might agree. moderator: thank you ambassador. michael: the united states is a very powerful country. influential. and iran sanctions on iraqi -- were not going to change. 2005 fromrown from the time i went in the white house. in under the bush administration, it grew under the obama administration. we could have collapsed there he economy had we chosen to do that. the president chose an extremely deep and irreversible concessions. permanent and irreversible
concessions on the part of the united states for temporary and reversible concessions on the iranians.e it did not stop them from getting a bomb. it put their program on a glide path to a bomb and it started a nuclear race in the region because the other actors in the region, including the israelis, are not going to wait 10 years to find out about this. at the heart of this deal with this philosophy that the mccartin articular came out of it. particular elite in came out of it. if you swept it to the side, it would go away. that we could turn the iranians into, if not allies, partners in the region. but make domestic part of this deal was the deal of the region. weident obama believed if
got the nuclear deal out of the way temporarily, he could come up with an accommodation with a rent bang over the region. over a rack, syria and elsewhere and i really would moderate. elsewhere syria, and in iran would moderate. a much weaker position than a would of been a had we never removed the sanctions to begin with. is a very states powerful country and that means that everybody has to go along with what we do. we're like the ceo would need region standing next to a secretary saying, how might doing in my job. the secretary is always going to say, you are doing great surf. the secretary will never say, you are doing horribly. but that is how everyone in the middle east felt and that is why
president trump got the euphoric acceptance that he got. make no mistake, there was there deception of of american people and our allies at every step of the negotiation. we were told we're going to get one thing, and the end we got something else. to this day, we do not know the exact details of that deal. that is a failed philosophy and it is the rejection of it that donald trump represents and it is a great corrective to our foreign policy in the middle east. moderator: to my. i am confident we could spend the next hour ping palming about a rent bang. ping-honking about -- ping-ponging about iran. now ajc believing in and
standing by israel. i'd like to ask both of you, how do these believes of the core of power stand with you. are they consistent with the idea of america first. wendy: i would say first of all he does not believe his .hilosophy of america first clearly he did not bring everyone together because now the united arab emirates have cast a shadow and cut off relations. we have a long way to go to keep the gulf countries together. i have not heard the president talk about democracy at all and diplomacy andour our ability to bring those values around the world. as i said in my opening aatement, when you have
national security adviser and head of the council say we only have competing interests out there -- this is not about pluralism. this is not about solving the problems across our borders that require a community of countries coming together. and where the rule of law is concerned, i feel like i am buffeted on a moment-by-moment basis about what in fact the president believes about law. when it comes to his non-travel , since everyone in the white house says it is not a travel ban and the president continues to tweet endlessly and says travel ban that in fact the courts have to done andand get this why is it not done and castigates his own justice department -- which i assume he
approved for cutting down the ban to less of a ban that is still probably going to be seen as a band. i think in part he is trying to get out in front of the supreme court, which although the supreme court often supports the president of the united states and the first to that authority given the checks and balances in our system, clearly the president has concern is this time that he not happen. [applause] wendy: agreed. we have seen the president d right judges and say they are derided right -- judges and say because they are from one background or another they cannot be fair. we have seen him say the decisions that may have been made to put walls on frameworks in place and make sure that civil society is civil is no longer good and will be
reviewed. i come from baltimore. baltimore has serious problems. they have a plan to move forward and now the justice department is on them they cannot. the rule of law, pluralism, democracy -- it is not part of donald trump's "america first." global leadership and standing beside israel? wendy: i probably did not speak to that because it is so apparent to me that the president believe that the united states should only lead inside its own country. ist just happened in london terrifying, appalling for as the former acting head of cia and deputy of the cia has said -- load wolf attacks is something we will probably all live with for a long time. at the president of the united
states's response that was not to embrace what is going on in the leadership of great britain and work together, it was rather to attack the mayor of london. not once, but three times now. to the point where the prime minister of great britain has derided that kind of attack. this is a moment when the kind of work that ajc has done and has been a groundbreaker in that so to try to say muslims, jews, christians, buddhists, we all have to find a way to live together. to ensure that each of our rights are preserved. it is completely the night by ,he president and quite frankly his anti-muslim rhetoric really is likely to increase the anti-semitism that senator schumer spoke about earlier in
this country. because there is always a reaction and when there is a reaction it usually comes on those issues. moderator: thank you. mike, thank you. and ie with the president do not want terrorists here in the united states. london here in the united states. -- rhetoric similar to investors shermans and we heard after every attack in the united states and abroad, we heard from president obama that everyone should live together and become more resilient. in his interview with jeffrey goldberg and on the obama doctrine, he discussed how impressed he was with the israelis that they had learned to live with terrorism. we have to live with terrorism like it is the weather.
meanwhile, president obama is in paris signing the completely meaningless climate accord which is unenforceable, -- [booing] unenforceable and nonbinding except the calls for the united states and some of the other leading economies of the world to transfer $100 thirdn a year to the world. so, we are paying the chinese on a dubious claim that this is actually going to change the weather. we have to live with like weather but we are actually going to change the weather. what is the practical outcome of this philosophy? the practical outcome of this philosophy is that france is becoming a country without jews.
we hear "never again" rhetoric from the obama administration frenchsee that daily the jews are living. some are going to london, some are come to the united states. i was just in israel which is growing faster than many parts of the country takes to the jews. of french we can stand here and we can say that we want everyone to live together and those are the values we will uphold that on the ground, in the middle east and in europe, there are people who are tearing out a lethal -- carrying out a lethal campaign to undo us and undo our values. now, you may not agree with the approach of donald trump and that is fine. that is fine. you, you have to come up with a practical answer to this standing problem and on podiums like this and extolling values and complementing ourselves for is not"never again"
going to work. we can see that. we have eight years of this. you can see that very clearly. it is time to move past rhetoric and develop practical policies to defeat the enemy. to kill the enemy. there is an enemy out there and he wants to kill us. we should kill him first. [applause] moderator: my, speak to the issue of u.s. global leadership and how the "america first" concepts square with us and global leadership. of "americaitique saying that it is withdrawal from global leadership is patently false. this is a fiction created in the aftermath of the shocking defeat .f the democrats the media and the democrats have now combined together to depict
donald trump's "america first" as chaotic -- [booing] moderator: please, people. mike: the strike on syria for its use of chemical weapons did more for american deterrence and american leadership in one short eriod than anything obama did it eight years. and in doing so, it showed up a number of the lies that the obama administration told us about syria. they told us we could not strike syria because of the anti-aircraft defense of they had. they told us for months and months and months after assad had used sarin gas that they could not determine whether he had used sarin gas. note the trump administration make that determination within
64 hours, right? so these were excuses. president obama also told us, and repeated it and susan rice told us that the gas deal that he came up with, the poison gas deal he came up with with the russians actually rid syria of sarin gas. it did not and we knew it. we knew it but the administration continue to say that it did. that is not global leadership. that is global deception in order to protect this failed philosophy that i described before. [applause] moderator: before i go on, i want to remind people of you want to provide a question we can pose to the debaters rated down any card and it will be passed along. if you're watching us online, tweet your question to @ajcglobal. and i will ask you to be
respectful of our debaters. well i have allowed cheering and but we will not allow bullying. maybe we should just refrain from any. and you can clap for me. wrote an op-ed for the new york times last month as president trump was on his way to saudi arabia and israel that had one particularly memorable middlehe choices in the east are between very bad and much worse your coat i like that very much, grim as it is. clearly you work relying to obama's allies in the region when you wrote "it is false that our support for our longtime friends is a cause of instability and that by distancing themselves while reaching out to our enemies we can make the world a safer place." i would like to ask ambassador sherman to respond to the
administration that the business as you serve, wendy, might be and to you mike i would like to ask if some of those you serve might the. wendy: i think it is important for any leader of our country to be open to reaching out to anyone that can serve our interests. not through back channels before they become an elected or appointed official. [applause] wendy: because that is dangerous for our country. ,ut i do believe that dialogue being very clear about what we are trying to achieve, it is important. many in the that gulf and israel felt that president obama did not engage with them in a way that moved the ball forward. i understand that.
and, on some policy issues i did not agree with the president. i wish he had taken a strike against syria early on. people in the administration did. but i understood why he did not. he was concerned about a slippery slope because we had already spent so many years in iraq and afghanistan. but he did try to engage. secretary kerry, secretary worked, both of whom i very closely with, spent hours and hours and hours and hours trying to see whether the united states could play the traditional role of facilitating a piece between the palestinians and israel. again, at the end of the obama administration, it probably would not have done the un security council resolution but i was no longer the administration and, again, i think it was out of a sense of
frustration and wanting, in my view, probably not appropriately -- to set the table for the next administration. what concerns me now about president trump is not that he went to saudi arabia and met with leaders. i think that was a very good thing to do. i think even an arms deal with saudi arabia is something worth considering if quite frankly, it has fallen through on plans -- it is falling -- it is following through with plans obama made. but what is the strategy? a strike in syria is a good thing and i have thought the president for that strike. but what comes next? what is the strategy? it is not clear to me there is a strategy in israel. quite frankly, if president obama had said what president trump did settlements, you all would've been protesting outside of the white house. i see no protests by the community against president trump's comments about
settlements. nothing. zero. zip. so i believe there is a double standard. i believe it is an unfortunate double standard. i believe that president trump believes in action. we see that every morning. he believes in action. but action, a strike, a mother of all bombs in afghanistan -- although they may be worthwhile signals are not a policy. favorite of all time as mr. gorka saying to an interviewer, to ignore the president tweets because that is not policy. this is the president of the united states speaking. the methodology may be different. it may not be an executive order. it may not be an interview with an anchor. but it is the president of the united states. we should not listen to his word
scratch mark we should not consider this policy? when he says "travel ban" we should ignore it? when he says he thinks he may have london is pathetic, we should not take that to heart? this is not a way to lead the greatest country in the world. , yes, we can make america even greater. but we do not have to make america great again. it already is. moderator: thank you ambassador. my, the same question. you said a few moments ago that the previous president reached out to our enemies and distance ourselves from our friends. are we distancing ourselves from our friends now in europe? michael had no. we are engaged in a recalibration in europe that is of a negotiation that has been going on for a very long time. the bush administration andatedly raised consistent
that they had failed the 2% of their gdp for defense. the obama administration also repeated it consistently and energetically with the europeans. i would urge you to go back and read the interview in the atlantic monthly where president obama talks about an anti-free rider campaign discussing our european allies. that interview contains derogatory quotes from obama about david cameron, sarkozy, but every european basic -- every european leader basically except for angela merkel. what i was in the defense department in 2007-2008 and whennally witnessed secretary of defense gates spoke to a high level delegation of
europeans and lectured them very quietly but aggressively and said, the american public is starting to notice you're not paying for your defense and this politically an indefensible position for an american president. we are being nice and talking to like this but the reckoning is coming. the reckoning is here now. the failure of the europeans to meet their 2% obligation is simply indefensible. what i prefer that president trump raise this issue in a slightly more diplomatic way? of course i would. absolutely. it you cannot defend the position that the europeans are taking on this. and that's what it is, it is a negotiation in terms of this "america first" commitment as a president. the present when to pennsylvania, went to michigan, "it to florida, and he said hear what you're are telling me, that you do not have jobs and that you do not want to see
america jobs going abroad and that you do not want to see the united states investing in a disproportionate amount of broad nd others have to step up." the saudi's pledge to us. the obama administration gave many tens of billions to a rand, right? there is a different kind of loss of the here and it is going to achieve different kinds of results. the europeans need us. we need the europeans. we need them badly, they are democratic allies. our frontier with the middle east. the frontier against islamic radicalism and so on. we need them and we need to support them. but, they need us more than we need them and that is the essence of international politics. international politics is indeed what national security adviser mcmaster and jerry kohn said in their op-ed. it is a competition. and it is an arena in which we
have enemies and we have allies. the trump administration has got that one absolutely correct and to the great direction obama administration. moderator: thank you, mike. wendy: the question is, do you have objectives? policies? a way forward? a strategy? you know, to go to nato to unveil a memorial to have had it and to in your speech as we are told by reporters, a recommitment to article five and then pull it at the last minute when in fact the only time article five, which is an attack on one is an attack on all -- the only time article five has ever been an, ever, by nato was for america after 9/11. so that nato troops went to and still are in afghanistan for us.
so, yes i want everyone to get to 2%. everybody pays their dues to nato. the 2% is a deepening of defense capabilities. yes, i want everyone to go to to present. you are quite right, michael. everyone has to press to make that happen. the question is, do you begin your relationship by heckling your friends? is that the best way to move forward? the strongest economic thetionship we have is transatlantic relationship. so how this, in fact, helps the president's agenda to ensure jobs, that is our market. market.s our mexico is our market, for that matter. it is the on me. [applause] mike: i am going to make a prediction. and, remember that in 2013i did veryct that there would be
dire consequences from not taking action against syria. i did not perceive the dystopian results that we got, but i was correct in my prediction and am going to make another one here. i'm going to predict that nato is going to pony up their 2% and they are going to pony up because president trump took this aggressive division. again, as i said, it is not the way would've liked to have seen it this discussion did not start in 2017. the discussion started well over a decade ago. and, the europeans have been trying us. quite simply. we don't like to say to our allies but they have been coming up with increases that will the 2% inarrival at 2024 when nobody who is currently serving in the government will be around to hold them to it. just like we keep trying the same donkey from the north koreans with their nuclear program and as we're going to keep wind the donkey from the
iranians, we keep buying the same donkey from our allies. our allies from whom we support, door, and work closely with. but there is a limit to how much we should take from them on this. as for strategy, donald trump is a strategy. cannot -- i hear you -- i hear you. moderator: please. ] rowd murmuring mike: but listen, if i had told you in april of last year he would win the election i would've gotten a bigger laugh. he said in the election, here's how it went. in the menu, michigan, florida. in andbring new voters capitalize on the people who are voting for bernie sanders and pulled them into the republican party. that's what he said he would do and everybody laughed and he did it. after he did it, the media and -- don'tratic party laugh, you left already before.
the media and the democratic party, in order to explain why they got it so wrong, and set of saying -- you know what, may be is a strategist and i missed that, instead they came up with a cockamamie conspiracy theory about how the russians handed him the election. wendy: are you saying the russians did not interfere with our election? michael and handed him the election. handed him the election. let me finish my point and then i will answer yours. he has a strategy in the middle east, it is very clear. the strategy in the middle east thens with the point that administration is a threat. all the officials in the trump administration believe the rise of a random anime the least a threat to the united states. the- believe the rise of iranians in the middle east is a
threat to the united states. -- president obama -- and he says this clearly and his interviews with david rudnick and with goldberg, was operating under the notion he could bring about an equilibrium in the middle east between our allies and the iranians which needs a moderation of the iranians, which has not happened. in all of those meetings. the president of the united states, president obama, believed that what he was doing was ensuring that iran never had a nuclear weapon. that it could never project that power into the region. you may not agree with the deal. i get that. but he always understood that her support for hezbollah and hamas, we had to do everything we could do to stop that. michael and what steps did he take to deter the russians and iranians in syria? michael: what
steps did he take to deter the russians and iranians in syria? break. break, please. [laughter] we want at that. shouldn't complain. [applause] towards closing remarks. since i've heard russia mentioned once or twice, let me ask both of you -- to describe how a warmer attitude towards 4 -- towards his russia advances american national interest. >> it is clear that one of the ideas that president trump has is finding an accommodation with putin particularly in the middle
east, in syria. and tot one that i have agree with, but it is one that's very common among our policy elite, the democratic and republican side. differs considerably and significantly in terms of his strategy from the obama administration is that he believes he needs to push back against the iranians across the board that was the meaning of the trip to saudi arabia. because the russians and ,ranians are in an alliance pushing back against the iranians is back against the russians. it is to did that create tensions and to the russians off -- from the iranian -- iranians and syrians. it also involves reinvigorating our terry deterrence, completely neglected by president obama. president obama had the pathological allergy to military
detergents, -- determines, and never engaged in it. ready with the streak against syria rep and, that's the reinvigoration. there's an outreach to russia and coming up or sure, but it's happening in -- happening in a completely different context. >> thank you. ambassador three >> i usually have a different point of view. [laughter] privilege, i, don't know what, opportunity, to be with secretary kerry and meet with vladimir putin for about four hours. charming, as ily think he was to megyn kelly for the last three days. but, he is kgb through and through. he's very smart. .e's very strategic he knows exactly what he is doing. he plays his hand very well. expect thatd
inflatable putin will do anything other than what will keep him as king for the foreseeable future. he has a prince -- presidential election in 2018. maybe he will get 96 and that of 98% of the vote. i don't think we would call it a free and fair election. where one are times can work with russia, now is not the time. pushing against our european allies partners command friends. , and europebaltics trying to gind things up in syria. yes, his alliance with iran in syria is a bad thing, yes we should do everything we can to push around back from that malicious and unbelievably horrific action.
russia is not a good actor on the world stage today. they are disturbing, quite frankly, that there were 4000 people at the st. petersburg for -- form of the last few days treat him as if he's a normal player on the world stage. finally, the very fact, michael, that you would leak -- leave any space to believe that russia to affect ashton try to affect or election -- >> i didn't say that. >> will do you believe that russia tried to interfere with our election? >> i believe that they -- they hacked podesta's emails in a fishing expedition. >> indy think they did nothing else? here thek that they -- hissing, i don't know -- i don't believe as hillary clinton said last week, that american iniders helped the russians
an information campaign. >> going to go -- >> against, against her. the implication is that the trump campaign gave putin advice about how to shape his message -- >> michael, i'm going to go with 17 intelligence agencies who are neither democrats nor republicans. >> i will go to britain in, a democrat, whose recent testimony so there's no evidence of collusion. [applause] >> i didn't speak to collusion. but i'm speaking to ms. -- i didn't say -- who they were china to affect though i have my own views about that, but the 17 intelligence agency said without a doubt, russia interfered with our election, and it appeared from their analysis, that they did so, at least towards the
end, to advantage donald trump. i have no idea -- wait a minute, i have no idea whether there was collusion, that is why robert mueller is doing the work he has doing, that's why i hope the senate intelligence and house intelligence committee does their job. [applause] we need to know what happened. we need to know what happened, not because it's going to give us a different president of the united states, we have who we have. it is important that we find out what, that's why robert mueller's investigation is not enough. we need the senate and house. we can never have a foreign power interfere in our election again. [applause] >> great, great. >> mike, a few seconds, then closing remarks. then we will take it outside. [laughter]
>> i have to make two points. in two points. a was doing and i will share with you now so we don't need all these investigations. ability to predict the outcome of our elections, that was better than any of our best observers. putin didn't have a crystal ball to help them understand -- and it's over told us that hillary clinton was going to win. so to the extent that he engaged in an information -- operation against us in a believe he did but the impact of that has been greatly exaggerated and again -- shattered to find out how hillary clinton was running her campaign, what he was trying to do was, tarnish president hillary clinton and turn assurance to tuitions, spread ascension among us, so that she would be a weakened president. that was the goal of the
information operation. secondly, i hope we'll find out everything. one of the things i hope we find out about this the obama surveillance of the trump campaign. i won't go into great detail, just direct your attention to january 12, 2017, david ignatius arctic -- opinion piece in the washington post, in which he says that a senior obama official told him about the contents of the conversations between michael flynn and kiss lieff, and he also suggests that the official -- that it, that it's, that it demonstrated collusion, he suggests that it demonstrates collusion between the trump administration and the russians,
there's the evidence for you right there. that's the dna at the crime scene, that's top-secret -- secret surveillance information, taken out of foreign policy channels, moved into political channels, spread into our press come in support of the collusion lie, that's a misuse of surveillance -- it's a misuse of surveillance -- information, and is a crime. it's the only crime that we know of so far has been committed within this framework of russia and trump. i surely hope all these investigations will also look into that week -- look intently push is a say was a time and abuse of power. lex thank you, mike. now recalling the title of this which is america first -- advancing or compromising u.s. interest abroad. -- it's hard to imagine that we are leaving. [laughter]
>> is a to maria --is it tomorrow yet? [laughter] thank you all for your attention and enthusiastic engagement in this debate. i guess what i want to say, it's important to have these debates. ajc tomportant for continue the work that does, not just here in the amended dates, but around the world. ajc is above all else an international organization, ajc is understood -- to stop anti-semitism, to support israel, to make sure that we never have another holocaust ever again, that we need to engage in the world and not isolate ourselves. that,st time america did you will know the results.
i'm blessed to have two little grandsons, and if i could, i would spend every single day with them. and sure some of you feel the similar but your grandkids. but give them back to their parents. [laughter] .ut, i worry for them in the world in which we are are creating a moat around us. we're pulling up the drawbridge to the rest of the world. --daughter is an immigration immigration asylum attorney, house from the clinic at austin -- helps run the boston university clinic. people who feel they will be deported stop talking to the , toce, to law enforcement any official for fear of their families, and their lives. , that kind ofear
isolation is a mint -- isolationism in the world, never in history has it read anything a good. never. [applause] we teach our children, i hope, and i know ajc does, to understand the world would jennifer interest, of course we do. , even when kids are in a playground, even when they are competing at soccer, at the end of the game, we ask them to walk down the line and chickens is a community that is playing that game, not just to opposing sides competing. now, i understand that president trump was very successful. right after the election, as is i picked up the of the deal
negotiating to build the building is not the same as being president. if you don't work for peace in the world, you have war, dipped command distraction. i'm all for disruption, but i'm a. thank you -- >> thank you wendy. >> a british political analyst -- david goodhart has developed some concepts from extending the world. he talks about anywhere people and somewhere.
people are that she developed idea to talk about the brexit vote in britain but it applies all across the west. anywhere people -- highly educated, mobile. they are flexible. they are not rooted in any particular place. their software engineers, media in newionals, working york, los angeles, london, paris. they lose the java new york they can move to los angeles, they lose in los angeles vice a versa. the globalist ideology and policy --our foreign they are a from policy elites -- the anywhere people and people have been running the country -- britain, and america. that's been for the last two decades. are rooted in a particular place, pittsburgh,
anywhere in one of those red states from new york to california. there was educated come most mobile, and concerned about their communities. vote inwhere people one the last election, they will continue to win the folks. the things missing in the for policy -- mis-direction -- i firmly believe i couldn't administration, that even more -- what we have the last election was a tectonic shift. we as people who are committed to america and engagement in the world need to be doing the hard, intellectual work, and culture many gauge -- in the needs of the somewhere people. thank you. [applause] greatan close this debate. think you very much. [applause] will see you next year in jerusalem.