tv National Space Council Meeting on Space Force CSPAN October 26, 2018 4:31pm-7:01pm EDT
u.s. presidents and the media. that's from the white house historical association starting atcal p 58 eastern on c-span3. this weekend. saturday at 8:00 p.m. eastern on lectures in history university of delaware professional tiffany hill on the role of african-american women in the civil rights movement. at 10 p.m. eastern on real american, the 1968 broadcast, the nixon answer in michigan. and on sunday at 7:00 p.m. eastern the tenement museum in new york city. and atcal former -- at 8:00, former first lady laura bush reflect on her grandchildren. up next an update on efforts to establish a u.s. space force, which would become the sixth branch of the armed forces. we will hear from vice president mike pence who chairs the
national space council, jim bri bridenstine and elaine chao. hosted at national university. ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the members of the national space council. elaine chao, secretary of the department of transportation. patrick shanahan, deputy seth of the department of defense. ross smoltz. deputy director of the office of the management and budget. susan gordon, principal deputy director of national intelligence. karen dunn kelley, acting deputy secretary of the department of commerce. claire grady, acting deputy
secretary of the department of homeland security. jim bridenstine, administrator of the national aeronautics and space administration. andre thompson, undersecretary of state forearms control and international security. general paul selva. vice chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. michael crass yoes deputy assistant to the president for science and technology. admiral doug peters, deputy assistant to the president in homeland security and counter-terrorism adviser. dr. william happener, deputy assistant to the president and director of emerging technologies for the national security council. [ applause ]
ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the 16th president of the national defense university, vice admiral fritz roegge. [ applause ] well, mr. vice president, member of the national space council, distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen, good morning, and welcome here to roosevelt hall and into the national defense university. i'm honored to welcome you to our campus where we educate and develop national security leaders for the military services, u.s. government departments and agencies, industry partners, and for our international friends, partners, and allies. this is the university of the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. we are a graduate school tasked to transform mid-career professionals who come to us as
tactical and operational experts and turn them into strategically minded leaders who are ready to take on the thorniest security challenges. our success in reaching that goal ultimately is measured by their ability to contribute to peace and security. if we do our job well, our graduates will be able to launch the kinds of ideas that might preclude the need to launch ordinance. the growing importance of the space domain to america's security conducts the rationale for conducting this meeting here. in 1903 president teddy roosevelt laid the cornerstone of this building. within a year of that date, marrying's appreciation for the aerospace domain began when the wright brothers made the world's first sustained flight of heavier than airpowered aircraft. i also think that president roosevelt might have appreciated the national space council's work. referring in 1902 to america's
posture in a different domain he observed that a good navy is not a path to war it is the surest path to keeping the peace. this seems to be applicable to the space domain. in 115 years since the first flight we have been heavily influenced by our leadership in air and space. over the past 21 months this administration made it a top priority to confront the emerging security challenges we face in space, which is what brings us here today. leading the effort to fulfill the president's vision for american leadership in space is the vice president of the united states. as the son of a korean war combat veteran and proud father of a united states marine, the vice president is a strong defender of our uniformed men and women who wear the cloth of or nation. join me in welcoming to the national defense university the chairman of the national space council and the 48th vice
president of the united states, mike pence. [ applause ] ♪ thank you all. and thank you to vice admiral roegge for your kind introduction and for your leadership here at this storied institution. will you join me in thanking him one more time for his hospitality and his extraordinary leadership. [ applause ] member of the cabinet, congressman babin, members of our armed forces, distinguished gues guests, and to the men and women of this storied institution, dedicated to educating,
developing, and inspiring america's national security leaders, it is my honor and my privilege to be here at the national defense university. [ applause ] it's also my great honor to be here today at the fourth meeting of the national space council. join me in thanking all the members of our cabinet who have engaged so entergetically in president trump's vision. can i ask them to stand, all the members of the space council. you have our thank. [ applause ] to them, and to all of you i bring greetings this morning
from our commander in chief, a great champion of the armed forces of the united states of america and a president who is committed to securing american leadership here on earth and in the vast expanses of space. i bring greetings from the 45th president of the united states of america, president donald trump. [ applause ] in his inaugural address the president declare that american stands in his words at the birth of a new millennial ready to unlock the mysteries of space. since then, we have worked tirelessly to extend our nation's legacy in the heavens. in the 16 months since relaunching the national space council president trump signed three new space policy directors to rejuvenate your space enter fries and ignite the sense of urgency that propelled nasa half
a sentry ago. nasa is preparing to send astronauts back to the noon and to build the capacity to put americans on the red sands of mars. we are modernizing out of date regulations to unleash the trail blazing commercial space industry. and we are working to protect our vital assets in the congested orbital environment. but our president's highest priority is the safety of the american people. while the last administration failed to meet the growing threats in space president trump stated forcely a truth long understood, that space is a war fighting domain just like the land, air, and sea. and america will be as dominant there as we are here on earth. [ applause ]
to meet the emerging threats on this new battle foold to prepare america's best and bravest to deter and defeat adversaries on that new horizon we are creating a sixth branch of the united states armed forces in june the president directed the department of defense to begin the process necessary to establish a united states space force. this is the next and natural evolution of our armed forces. it is absolutely necessary to ensure american supremacy in space. since the dawn of the space age, the united states has recognized the vital importance of space to our national defense. over the past 60 years we have assembled the world's largest and most sophisticated constellation of surveillance, navigation and communication satellites that increase the legitimacy and lethality of america's armed forces today i am proud to report there are tens of thousands of military personnel civilians and
contractors operating our space systems, the eyes and the ears of america's war fighters around the world. these men and women serve with distinction across our defense and intelligence agency and no organization has done more to advance american leadership in space than the united states air force. [ applause ] as general selva knows the airmen who run our nation's space rams are the best in the world. since its earliest days as america's newest branch of the service is air force faithfully served as the steward of our nation's most vital assets orbiting the earth as well. today space is fundamentally different than it was a generation ago. what was once desolate and uncontested is increasingly crowded and confrontational. and today other nations are seeking to disrupt our space based systems and undermine our economic and military might as
never before. for many years, nations from russia and china to north korea and iran have pursued weapons to jam, blind and disable our navigation and communications satellites through electronic attacks from the ground. but recently our adversaries have been working to bring new weapons of war into space it self. from anti-satellite weapons and airborne lasers to highly threatening on orbit activities and evasive hyper sonic missile, both china and russia have been aggressively developing and deploying technologies that have transformed space into a war fighting domain. since taking office our administration has taken decisive action to strengthen american power and ask you our vital national interests in space. president trump signed the largest investment in our national defense since the days of ron reagan, including renewed resources to enhance the resilience of our space defense systems. and we are grateful for the support of the congress of the
united states in providing these resources for america's defense. [ applause ] through the new launch service agreement awards we are also strengthening our partnerships with private industry to grow our domestic launch systems and accelerate the delivery of new space and counter-space capabilities. under the president's new national space strategy our administration is uniting america's military commercial and civil space sethors as never before to ensure that the united states retains our rightful role as the world's preeminent space faring negs. president trump said quote it is not enough to have american presence in space, we must have american dominance in space. and that's exactly why at president trump's direction we are taking steps to establish the united states space force as the sixth branch of our military that is separate from and equal
to the five other branches. [ applause ] as the president and i believe, creating a space force is an idea whose time has come. as the men and women of the national defense university know well for decades one independent study after another has called for reforms to the current organizational structure of our national space capabilities. in 1994, the general accounting office published a report highlighting what they described as the fragmented responsibilities over our national security space programs. it was widely read, but widely ignored. in 2001, the rumsfeld commission concluded in their words that the department of defense and the intelligence community are not yet arranged or focused to meet the national security space needs of the 21st century. seven years later the allard commission arrived at the very
same conclusion though it was more direct about it bluntly stating, quote, no one is in charge of america's security in space. in july of 2016, the gao published yet another report examining the dangerous fragmentation of responsibility over our national security space programs. which is spread across more than of 0 different federal departments and agencies. this lack of centralized leadership and accountability, we believe, poses a clear and present threat to our capacity to advance our national security in space. it undermines our combatant commanders'able to do their jobs. it puts our war fighters ultimately at risk as they operated on battlefields around the world. the american people will never accept this kind of vulnerability, and neither will we. [ applause ] as we will focus here to the
today in this meeting of the national space council, i believe the time has come to stop studying the problem and start figging it. the united states space wars, we believe, is central to the solution that america needs. in august, the defense department released a substantive report identifying concrete steps that our administration can take using existing authorities to implement the guidance of our commander in chief to begin to make the space force a reality. and for the past two and a half months the national security leaders have been hard at work to begin standing up the united states deputy of the space force. i would especiallily like to comment patrick shanahan and paul selva for their outstanding efforts implementing the president's vision to stand up the space force. thank you. [ applause ]
today the national space council will vote to send six strategic recommend days agos to the president's desk which will lay out our administration's strigs and road map ultimately for establishing a space force. first we will created a new unified combat and command the united states space command which will establish command for communications and develop the doctrine, tactics and procedures of space war fighting in the 21st century. next the secretary of defense will create a new joint organization the space development agency that will break free from ineffective bureaucratic structures and provide the men and women of the space force the cutting edge war fighting capabilities that they need faster and more effectively. in addition to delivering the space war fighting technologies to the future faster than our adversaries will be able to keep up we will ensure that our men
and women in uniform can wield that's capabilities unencumbered by bureaucracy and under the leadership of our commander in chief we have already given them rules of engagement they need to confront eerge erge inning threats on land and sea and in the air. and we will do the same in space. ♪ toward that end the national space council will work with the national security council to conduct a comprehensive review of current and future space operational authorities ton sure that our war fighters have the freedom and flexibility they need to deter and defeat any threat to our security in the rapidly evolving battlefield of space. finally, and most importantly, our administration will work with leaders in congress to create the united states space force as the sixth branch of our armed forces in the next national defense authorization
act. under our constitutional system, only congress can formally establish a new department of the military. our administration i am pleased to report is already working closely with leaders in the congress in both parties on both sides of the capitol building c legislative and budgetary pathway to create a new department, organize, train, and equip space forces, including both combat and service support functions for offensive and defensive operations. very soon, with the support of the congress, the department of the united states space force will be a reality. i'm grateful to the leaders in the congress for their engagement with us on this important initiative and i especially want to thank texas congressman brian. he's been a great champion of american leadership in space who's with us here today, and
thank you, congressman babbitt for your leadership. early next year, the president's budget will call on the congress to marshal the resources to stand up the united states space force and in the months that follow, we'll work with congressional leaders to enact the statutory requirements in the ndaa to establish this new department by 2020. the time has come to write the next great chapter in the history of the armed forces of the united states. to turn the page to an evolution of our armed forces to meet the challenges and opportunities on that limitless frontier. our nation's armed forces have always been the vanguard of advancing american leadership, beyond the bounds of earth. space force will ensure a new era of american supremacy in space, but there's much work to do. as the men and women of the national defense university know well, when it comes to defending our nation, and protecting our way of life, it is the cost of
inaction that we can't afford. with every passing year, what we choose to do in space plays an ever greater role in our security, our prosperity, and to no less extent the very character and vitality of our nation. our activities beyond our atmosphere accelerate scientific and medical discoveries. they spur groundbreaking innovations, revolutionize how we communicate, travel, farm, and trade, launch new businesses and industries and quite literally create the jobs of the future. and while other nations increasingly possess the capabilities to operate in space, not all of them share our commitment to freedom, to the rule of law, and to peace through strength. so, as we continue to advance the prosperity of our people, expand the horizons of human knowledge, and carry our most cherished ideals into this new frontier, we will do this just as we have done through the long and storied history of this country. we will do it with a commitment to american strength and to
freedom. in our earliest days as a nation, when american merchant ships came under attack by the pirates and were forced to pay, in the words of thomas jefferson, an enormous tribute to the petty tyrant of algiers, we sent a squadron of our best navy ships with names like "constellation," " enterprise," "constitution," and "intrepid" to protect our commerce and defend our citizens' lives and liberty. when america's destiny beckonened us westward and generations of pioneers and entrepreneurs went to carve out a home in the wilderness, we dispatched regiments of the united states army, frontier regulars, to explore new territories, protect vulnerable settlers, keep the peace and help tame the wild west. in the wake of the second world war with communism on the march around the globe, we forward deployed america's naval forces to deter our adversaries,
reassure our allies and keep the sea lanes open for the free flow of commerce. and we made the skies safe for travel and trade by creating the fifth branch of our armed forces, the united states air force. in our own day, in this still new century, to ensure that we continue to have unfettered access to operate freely in space, to lead in space, for the benefit of the american people and all mankind, we will lead once again. we will evolve our armed forces and we will create the united states space force to meet that future. as we take the first bold steps to strengthen our security, promote our prosperity, and advance american ideals in this infinite frontier, we'll do so with american strength, with that same pioneering spirit, and
we'll do so as americans have throughout our generations with the faith of the american people, the same faith that generations of americans have claimed on behalf of all of those who have taken to the skies in defense of freedom in ages past. we'll have faith in the capacity, the capacity of our pioneers, risk takers to lead without regard to their own personal safety. they'll lead america to the infinite expanse of space and our confidence will be in them and in all those that support them. and also, we'll -- we'll also, i'm sure, breathe a word of prayer as those great pioneers go forward in this new endeavor of renewed american security in space, of renewed american exploration and leadership in space. i know many americans will claim that ancient promise that when we rise on the wings of the dawn, settle on the far side of the sea, even if we go up to the
heavens, may there even his hand guide those who will lead us there and even his hand hold it fast. with the efforts of the national space council, with the unwavering courage of america's men and women in uniform, the continued support and innovation of the american people and american industry and with vision in the leadership of president donald trump, and with god's help, i know we will give america the security she deserves, and we will forge a new era of peace through strength in outer space. and america will lead for freedom in that infinite frontier once again. thank you, god bless you. god bless our armed forces, and god bless the united states of america.
>> welcome to this fourth meeting of the national space council. would you join me in thanking the members of the national space council and also our user advisory group joining us here today. we're very, very grateful for their efforts and their presence. i thank you all for your kind attention today and your presence here, and again, i want to thank -- i want to thank the national war college here at the national defense university for their warm hospitality and their willingness to accommodate. in these halls, generations of america's finest military leaders have studied and prepared to face and overcome the greatest challenges of their days. join me in thanking the national defense university once again. in june, at our last meeting of the national space council, president trump called for the establishment of the united states space force, and as the
saying goes, back in indiana, we didn't let the grass grow on this one, and i'm so grateful for the efforts of members of the council and the user advisory group who put together the practical recommendations that we'll be forwarding to the president today. i'm going to ask a few members of the council and the user advisory group to update us on the progress we've made to advance the president's priorities broadly and let me begin by recognizing the secretary of transportation, elaine chao. elaine? >> thank you, mr. vice president. you and the president's commitment to expanding america's leadership in space is inspiring and so timely. the space council is meeting at the dawn of a new era in america's aerospace history. one that historians of the future may dub the rocket renaissance. you know, not so long ago, the aerospace community looked back wistfully on the previous era in space as the good old days.
the saturn v rocket, lunar landing and the space shuttle seemed like achievements that would never again be equalled. and for 14 long years, the country that put the first man on the moon was no longer number one in rocket launches. in fact, in 2011, when the last space shuttle was launched, not a single commercial satellite was put into space by an american rocket. not one. in 2012, six short years ago, the u.s., the united states, was in third place in commercial space launches, but that's changed thanks to america's commercial space innovators and entrepreneurs. they have developed a variety of systems that revolutionized space launches and driven down the cost of space access. these technologies include air
launch systems, small network satellite deployment, and most of all, fully reusable rockets. this wave of astonishing innovations has upended the commercial space sector. in 2017, our country finally regained its position as number one with a record number of launches. and the good news is that we have broken last year's record of -- with 35 licensed and permitted commercial space operations in fiscal year 2018. the global space economy is now valid at over 400 or nearly $400 billion a year, and america launched innovators, operators, and workers have captured a significant share of this market. the department of transportation is doing all we can to maintain this forward momentum.
so let me share some pretty important updates. president trump's second space policy directive tasked the department as many of you know to streamline and transform his commercial space transportation regulations and the department is hard at work to implement this directive, including considering the option of requiring a single license for all types of commercial space flight launch and reentry operations, and two, replacing prescriptive requirements with performance based criteria. i'm pleased to report that the department is on track to publish a transformational rule making as we have discussed previous previously. the proposed rule making will provide a much-needed update to launch and reentry licensing.
and as per the president's and your direction, mr. vice president, it will consolidate and revise many launch and reentry licensing requirements into a single regulation, and the rule making will streamline the licensing process while protecting public safety and national security. it will also enable flexible time frames, redefine when launch begins, and allow the space industry to seek a single license to launch from multiple sites. the goal is, as mr. vice president, you have asked us to do, is to simplify the licensing process for launch and reentry activity, enable novel operations, and reduce cost. the department was also asked to examine, in cooperation with other space council members,
launch and reentry requirements from federally owned launch ranges. this effort has benefitted from the extraordinary support of stakeholders from the public and the private sectors. and this was especially true with the faa's aviation rule making committee. this committee is comprised of more than 40 individuals from across a commercial space and aviation sectors and the committee's final report was instrumental in helping the department craft a proposal that will promote economic growth, maximize innovation, and minimize uncertainty for the private commercial space sector. issues that you, mr. vice president, have told us that you care deeply about. so, let me also thank our partners at the department of defense and also at nasa. they've given their time and
expertise to this very important effort. this collaboration is and will continue to be critical in supre streamlining the requirements that apply to commercial space operations from federal launch sites. so, mr. president, i look forward to continued collaboration with my colleagues on the national space council, and thank you for your guidance and direction to us and that is my report. thank you. >> great. outstanding. thank you, secretary chao. thanks for your work on policy direct i directive too. it is part and parcel of a vision for revitalizing american leadership in space, and your efforts will shape americans' travel to and from space in the future and continue to drive industrial innovation and strengthen our shared industrial base for space leadership.
so, we thank you for that. along the same lines with regard to policy directives 2 and 3, let's get a quick report from the deputy secretary of commerce, karen dunn kelley. karen. >> thank you very much. mr. vice president, national space council, guests, thank you for allowing me to join you today. i send regrets from secretary ross who is on an important overseas mission. since this council last met in june, secretary ross has been very busy advocating for the u.s. commercial space industry around the world. he continues to emphasize our mantra, america must be the flag of choice for space commerce. in june, following last space council meeting, the secretary testified to the house sciences and armed services committees, along with general hayden and nasa administrator stein about
the importance of president trump's new space traffic management policy, the first of its kind. that testimony illustrated the great whole of government effort to address the risk created by space debris to valuable satellites, commercial industry, and potentially human lives. this past summer, secretary ross also debuted a space commerce segment to our select usa summit which included 3,000 businesses and government leaders, thanks in part to virgin galactic and lockheed as well as others. secretary ross and his team have also been meeting with dozens of stakeholders to discuss the challenges they face, not the least of which is the burdensome regulation. commerce is conducting a regulatory reform that will unshackle commerce space sector and unleash economic growth. we estimate that our efforts
will help to grow the global space economy from its current present value of just under $400 billion to over $1 trillion. for example, last year, an interagency mou established concrete deadlines and escalation procedures when timely resolution was not achieved. as a result, the department's commercial remote sensing office continues to shorten the licensing time line. today, the average time period for all remote sensing licenses is about 62 days. less than half of what it was in 2016 of 140 days. even as the number of licenses have increased. in 2010, there were only 26 licenses. today, there are 227 and almost half of those licenses have been
processed since 2017. the more streamlining, the less red tape, leads to more business. i am also excited to announce that yesterday, in response to president's space policy directive 2, the department submitted to the office of management and budget a new draft rule that if finalized will revolutionize the way we regulate the use of cameras in space. this will replace outdated regulation that are slowing down industry achievements. the proposed new rule would establish categories for license applications that exempt certain preapproved activities from the lengthy review process. it will allow federal government to focus its efforts and proposals on truly warranted national security attentions. in other words, the mclane high school science project would probably not go through the same
review process as a highly advanced sensing satellite. in spacex's gopro camera that uses marketing and showing customers that the payloads have successfully been separated should not be treated the same way as the highly technical camera that can see your shoelaces from space. we look forward to working with omb and our interagency colleagues to get the proposed rule finalized so that the public can comment. next, i am pleased to report that last week, the department sent capitol hill a new legislative proposal, approxima the space act. as directed by sbd 2, the proposal calls for creating a consolidated bureau of space commerce to be led by a senate confirmed assistant secretary. the agency will report directly to the secretary, coordinating all the department's space efforts and supporting the department's larger mission of
creating conditions for economic growth and opportunity. included in the legislative proposal is a provision for mission authorization that will enable america to support a wide range of new space activities. to be clear, the proposal should not be mistaken as expanding government. it is just the opposite. working with the regulatory reform office, the bureau will better coordinate, consolidate, and connect space functions across the department. the bureau will serve as a much-needed store front for industry within the government. as a priority of the department's strategic plan, advancing commercial space is a whole of department initiative. we have already begun to lay the framework and the foundation of the one stop shop. our new space team, representing all commerce offices and
bureaus, meets at least weekly to collaborate on ways to advance the growing economy. our ita advocacy center has recorded 24 project wins for space, companies across the globe valued at $4.3 billion and has a pipeline right now of currently 21 activities which would be valued a little over $2.8 billion. even our grand making agencies such as the minority business development administration awarded $400,000 to the space foundation to assist minority businesses, and eda's office of innovation and entrepreneurship solicited space commerce grant applications currently. our bureau of industry and security is actively engaged in the white house led interagency discussions on export control reform, and ntia is working on a wholistic spectrum management policies that would advance the far-reaching missions envisioned by president trump and vice president pence.
our reinvigorated office of space is open for business. following the last council meeting, kevin o'connell joined the department in july as the new director. the position had been left vacant for over a decade. not anymore. welcome, kevin. in fact, kevin will be leaving this meeting a bit early as he needs to speak in huntsville tonight on the very topic. since the council in june approved sbd 3 and its implementation plan, commerce and the department of defense have been working very closely together. our senior space officials have been spending time at the vanderburg air force base and in colorado springs to more deeply understand the department of defense's existing operations and capabilities. as the partnership, we will soon assemble a cadre of commercial employees to work at vanderburg as the civil agency interfacing
with industry for space traffic management. we forged strong alliances with the department of defense, u.s. air force, u.s. strategic command, as well as other federal agency partners such as nasa, the state department, the department of defense. we recently submitted our 90-day report for the space council, and we look forward to submitting a more detailed plan in december. we meet regularly with private industry, preparing to track, analyze, and safe coordination of space objects. we are already investigating ways to incorporate cloud computing and other advanced technologies into the open architecture data repository to showcase the innovations beneficial to the entire ssa, stm enterprise. finally, i am proud to highlight the department's new space technologies, including the go satellite that are improving noaa's weather forecasting in an
unprecedented way. last month, hurricane florence's noaa's noaafive-day hurricane forecast accurately predicted the storm's land fall within two miles. that's not been done. what this does is it enabling state governors to more quickly declare emergencies, order evacuations, and truly save lives. the importance of space technology and space commerce in our lives has never been more evident than it is today. thank you, mr. vice president, for the opportunity to speak about the department's progress. >> thank you, karen. thank you, karen. thank you so much for your efforts and the secretary's efforts. i think everyone looking on can see the energy with which the department of commerce has engaged this effort to streamline and to promote our
commercial space industry, and are administrative actions that you've outlined, the legislation that you've promoted, all are reflective of the president's desire to unleash the full potential of our commercial private sector. so, thank you very much. well done. e. with that, let me recognize our nasa administrator and to say we appreciate your leadership at nasa. we were all thankful to see nasa astronaut nick return to the earth safely along with the russian cosmonaut. we noted the failed rocket launch two weeks ago. i know you were in kazakhstan for that launch. we spoke contemporaneous with that and i appreciate the attention that you paid to our astronaut and to the entire incident. it does strike me and jim as a wake-up call and the need for us
to once again be able to launch american astronauts on american rockets from american soil, and i know that day is rapidly approaching. so, with that, we look forward to your update on nasa's work with the departments of commerce and state, transportation, and also the status of the international space station. join me in welcoming the administrator of nasa, jim brid bridenstein. >> thank you so much, mr. vice president. it was a tough week last week when we had a failed rocket launch and as you correctly noted, nick and alexei are home safe, and we are very grateful for that. sir, i am also very grateful for your attention to the issue, your immediate care for the
issue. clearly, this is something that is important to you, personally, and nasa recognizes that and for that, we are all very grateful. i will tell you this. while our astronaut and their cos k cos cosmo naut are home safe, they are not happy. we're grateful for their enthusiasm, and nasa is regrouping. we're replanning, and we're getting ready to go again. we have a number of russian rocket launches in the next month and a half and in december, we're fully anticipating putting our crew on a russian rocket to launch to the international space station again. we have a really, really good idea of what the issue is. we have getting very close to understanding it even better so that we can confidently launch again. it is important to note that while this was a failed launch, it was probably the single most
successful failed launch that we could have imagined, so for all of that, we are grateful. we are moving out rapidly on space directive policy 1. we are going to the moon. we are going in a sustainable way. we are not going to leave flags and footprints not to come back for another 50 years but under your guidance, we are building a reusable and a sustainable architecture. secretary chao very clearly articulated what happens with reusable launch. the cost goes down, and access goes up. well, we envision an architecture between here and the moon that is entirely reusable, not just launch to low earth orbit but tugs from earth orbit to lunar orbit and of course the reusable command module in orbit around the moon. we call it gateway. and reusable landers that go back and forth from the gateway to the surface of the moon. and landers not just with robots and rovers but eventually humans and a sustainable architecture
that takes advantage of our commercial partnerships and our international partnerships. sir, last -- two weeks ago, i was in germany for the international astronautical congress. i met with the heads of 24 different space agencies and i had the opportunity to speak in front of international forums and in each one, when i talked about the united states leading an international effort to get back to the moon, the response is overwhelming and it's spontaneous. people around the world have been waiting for the united states to get back to the moon and to lead a collaboration much like we had done on the international space station but to develop a much bigger and broader architecture to the moon, to retire risk, to prove technologies, to prove human physiology, and then take all of that architecture on to mars, and i will tell you, in the international community, it was very, very well received. people love space policy
directive 1 and sir, it makes my job really easy on the international scene, so thank you for that. as it comes to the international space station and low earth orbit, we are moving rapidly to commercialize low earth orbit. it is in our interest as a nation to, for nasa, in low earth orbit and other orbital regimes for nasa to be one customer of many customers, driving down our cost, increasing our access, and not just be one customer of many customers but have numerous providers that are competing on cost and innovation in a regulatory framework that was articulated by secretary chao that enables us to do more than we've ever done before in low earth orbit in a commercial way, and then we can use our resources to go where commercial industry is not yet ready, and of course, that's to the moon with this sustainable architecture. so, sir, we're moving out rapidly on these initiatives. space policy directive 1 is kind
of our bright, shiny object that we're going after. space policy directive 2 on the regulatory frameworks, space policy directive 3 on space situation awareness and space traffic management are all critical to our operations to accomplish these objectives, and it is also true that what we're talking about today, the space force, is critical to preserving all of these commercial and government capabilities for science, discovery, exploration, and of course the betterment of human kind through commercial space activities. as you mentioned, sir, commerce requires security. when we came west, we needed to have security. when we do international trade, we have a navy because we need security. and of course this $383 billion industry that is in space is going to need security. the enemies of our country have identified space as the american achilles heel and we've got to make sure that they understand
that they will receive no advantage from attempting to deny access to space for anybody in the world, and that would include civil space activities from nasa and noaa but also commercial space activities that the commerce department and the transportation department are so focused on. so, that's an update, sir, and i'm honored to be here. >> thank you, jim. thank you for that good report. your energetic leadership is making a real difference at nasa, and i hope you will pass along our compliments to astronaut nick for being willing to get back on the horse. >> yes, sir. >> go right back up before christmas. so, courageous man. five years in training, i'm sure he's anxious to get -- >> to be clear, the mission before christmas is not going to
be nick hague, but he is anxious to get back there. >> i bet he'll be crowded to the front of the line. >> you bet. >> great. well done. thank you very much. thanks for your leadership and thank you for the way that nasa is working in such close consultation with our efforts in defense, our efforts in commercial space. it is a -- it's making a real difference. with that, we're honored to be joined today by the chair of the users advisory group, which the president appointed in connection with the national space council. it represents some of the leading experts on space of men and women of extraordinary background who are bringing their very best council to the work of this national space effort.
admiral jim ellis serves as the chair of that group. we're proud to have him here. and admiral ellis, you're recognized for a report on the work of the user advisory group, and join me in thanking admiral ellis for this latest chapter in his service to the united states. we're grateful to have you. >> thank you. mr. vice president and distinguished members, thanks for inviting me to provide an update on the activities of the users advisory group to your national space council. the uag convened its first session on june 19th of this year, just 3 days after the formal appointment of its members by the nasa administrator. the establishment of the uag was enabled by legislation enacted decades ago, but you chose to revitalize it after 25 years of dormancy. mr. vice president, when we were last together, you challenged the uag to function as a think
tank for the national space council in addition to the advisory role spelled out in its title. it is a conduit for new ideas and will also offer constructive commentary on conventional wisdom, which, as i often note, is sometimes too conventional and not nearly wise enough. in the months since our inaugural session, we gathered often through the wonders of modern telecommunications technology and have focused on three principal areas, organization, issues, and outreach. organizationally, the uag is divided into six committees that reflect precisely the priorities you and i discussed in your office last spring. the exploration and discovery committee is led by retired general lester lyles and it's considering how to maintain a balance in space between exploration and discovery or science. the alignment of science and
technology efforts across federal agencies and the impact of regulations and policies on the accomplishments of space policy directives one through three. administrator bridenstine has recently chartered a committee of the advisory council to review issues. the fact that general lyles also shares very capably the nasa advisory council will ensure that the uag both shares in the work of the nasa committee and offers independent advice to you when appropriate. as you know, i am the chairman of the national security committee of the users advisory group and lead a very capable group with the required security clearances. though many of us gathered in this room have been assessing national security space protection and defense for many years, the speed at which the technologies and the threats are continually evolving highlights the reality that they may outpace both our capabilities and our policies.
a scheduled threat update is our committee's first priority, followed by a review of emerging classified space capability enhancement and threat mitigation policies and strategies. an experienced and expert space professional, mary lynn, and her talented colleague eric chair the economic development and industrial base committee. they are considering recommendations. developing a framework for understanding and applying the myriad contracting mechanisms, assessing how best to manage space-related spectrum issues, and expanding mechanisms encouraging use lease of available or mothballed government space infrastructure. veteran astronaut and space shuttle pilot and mission commander pam melroy leads the technology and innovation committee. in addition to specific space transportation and exploration technologies, the committee is assessing commercial versus
government space data generation, satellite reusability and refueling, and importantly, the possible creation of a technology road map specifying space technologies to be explored, alternatives to be compared, and importantly, time lines that must be met. eileen collins, renowned four-time mission pilot chairs the committee on outreach and education. i will say more about outreach efforts in a minute. but on the education side, our committee is committed to delivering actionable recommendations to enhance space-rela space-related and engineering education at all levels. ideas include education and senate clauses in all space-related government contracts. incentivizing students to choose math, science, and engineering degrees by increasing individual grant money from existing programs and innovative ways to address the high dropout rate of first year engineering students.
the final group, the space policy and international engagement committee, is led by dr. david wolf, astronaut, space walker, medical doctor, electrical engineer, and your fellow hoosier. the committee's broad remit will include review of both the current and evolving national space policy as well as the guidelines, behavioral norms, and technical standards affecting international space cooperation and deconfliction. finally, as i noted earlier, mindful that we were impanelled to represent all users of space, the users advisory group has conducted outreach panels at major domestic and international space events over several months. we will continue to seek input and ideas, issues and innovations, specifically targeting industry leadership, experienced aerospace veterans at all levels, and importantly, the up and coming new generation of space professionals.
by way of example, mary lynn and i met with a large group from the space generation advisory council earlier this month at the international astronaut digitastronautical congress where administrator bridenstine was also speaking powerly. the sgac, with over 13,000 members, represents the largest network of students, young professionals, and alumni in the global space industry. in a note of appreciation i received after our session, the organization's executive director said, the uag is a perfect platform for us to provide an opportunity to our members to actively contribute to space-related activities and discussions. with that in mind, i'm also pleased to note that as of this past friday, the users advisory group has gone live with a hosted page under our nasa website where we can receive such input around the clock and from around the globe.
mr. chairman, on behalf of the users advisory group, thank you for this update opportunity. wherever we go, at home or abroad, and with whomever we speak, we see a new energy, a new vitality in the space community. we appreciate the focus that you and the national space council have brought to our nation's role in space, and we look forward to continuing to support your efforts and to our shared contribution to the future of the nation's space enterprise. thank you. >> thank you, admiral ellis, and we look forward to your recommendations from the users advisory group. thank you to all of the members that you're leading in that energetic effort. we have benefitted greatly from the council's efforts so far, and we look forward to your
ongoing advice. i am told there's a fair number of members of the users advisory group who are with us. would members of the national space council's users advisory group stand so we could recognize you and express our appreciation for all you're doing for the country. >> thank you, admiral ellis, and i'll invite our panelists to go ahead and take their seats and to all of the members of the national space council, in your packets for today's meeting, you have an agenda which includes formal testimony of our panelists, a list of recommendations to the president regarding the creation of the space force, which we will return to those items at the end of the meeting. our panel today is made up of distinguished experts in national security, space policy, and defense policy. and as we look forward to
offering recommendations today, with the objective of standing up a sixth branch of our armed forces, it is our desire to draw on the experience of experts from across space and defense enterprises and we have three with us today. our first panelist is doug loverro, a leader in national security space policy and distinguished policy expert served as deputy assistant secretary of defense under president obama. our second panelist is mr. mark sirangelo what is the entrepreneur in residence at the university of colorado boulder. he led a company's space business. our final panelist is lieutenant general james mclaughlin, 35-year veteran of the united states air force, served as deputy commander of the united states cyber command and as we move forward to standing up the
united states space command, we need to draw on the valuable lessons we've learned from establishing the united states cyber command already. so, to all three of our panelists, we are grateful for your presence here today and to the audience, join me in thanking this extraordinary group of americans. so, mr. doug loverro, you're recognized to summarize your testimony and i remind members of the council that the full testimony is in your packets. >> thank you, mr. vice president, members of the national space council, ladies and gentlemen. before i begin, i must apologize for my voice here today. i lost it due to sickness this past week. my lack of volume is due to the remnants of fever, not the absence of fervor. i am pleased to join the lieutenant general to provide my perspectives on the need for your space force, a discussion long overdue. i especially want to thank
president trump for moving the debate on to the national stage. this is not a new subject. it's been talked about for decades inside the national space community. during my time at the pentagon under the last administration, the need to rethink how d.o.d. organized for space was a topic of considerable debate but was left unresolved. so, i'm particularly grateful that with the president's help, we can now bring the discussion into the public square to educate all americans on why now is the time to act. to begin, i think it's important for me to describe the roots of my perspective. my discussion here today was not shaped in just the last few months as the topic was thrust into the news, nor over my prior four years in the pentagon leading space policy. rather, it is the sum of nearly 30 years of working continuously in national security space from within d.o.d. and the intelligence community in uniform and as a civilian, from having been involved in every d.o.d. space organization debate since 1994. from working around the world
with space-inclined allies and domestically with every segment of space industry from the defense contractors to small entrepreneurial firms and with the members of both parties. i would stop on this last item to make an important point. in my mind, how the d.o.d. organizes for space is not a partisan issue. and it is my hope that it does not become one, because if it does, and that causes us to fail to address it now, then next time we enter the discussion, u.s. leadership may have already been lost. with that as prelude, let me make it clear where i stand. the u.s. needs a space force. a department within the d.o.d. whose sole focus is u.s. leadership in and defense of the domain of space. time does not permit me in this short statement to describe all the reasons why, but that opinion is bolstered by every authoritative study external to d.o.d. over multiple decades, which has looked at these issues. every one, every single one,
points to the erosion of u.s. national security space leadership and the necessity to dramatically reorganize space within d.o.d. while they may differ on the exact form and timing of that reorganization, the unwavering consensus is that dramatic change is needed. in fact, even the air force association, which opposes creation of a space force, admits, and i quote, standing up a new armed force for space is not if but when. to that point, i think it's only appropriate to quote the words of general arnold, who founded the afa, and is viewed as the father of the modern air force. in his appearance before congress in 1946 on the topic, he said, each new crisis is hound our armed services far from effectively, efficiently, or economically organized. with each crisis, modernization and coordination have been hammered out under war pressure at great waste of resources. last centuries, two world wars, found the u.s. inadequately organized for the air domain.
luckily, the constraints of distance and speed in 1917 and 1941 allowed the u.s. to hammer out u.s. air power organization in time to respond, but general arnold knew then as we know now that future wars will broker no such quarter. historical speeds do not apply in today's world. in unimaginable level of the u.s. military power derives from space. we cannot afford to enter into the next conflict, to use general arnold's words, ineffectively or inefficiently organized. the time to address the issue is now, while we are at peace, not later when the adversary has already gained the upper hand. with that, i conclude my opening remarks and look forward to your questions. >> thank you, doug. i look forward to coming back with you with a couple questions on your very, very insightful and provocative remarks, and
thank you for braving the fever to share your fervor. we appreciate you making the effort to be here under the circumstances. mark is recognized. and we're very grateful for your presence today. >> thank you, mr. vice president. members of the space council. i'm honored to be asked to speak today ant creation of the space force. what follows are my own personal views, not of any organization that have been part of. over the past two decades, i've had the privilege to be part of and led organizations that have done over 300 space missions, which combined with the time that i have spent in the government, military, and industry associations and now academia has provided me with some unique insights into the creation of a space force, so i'm going to focus my remarks today on the why and not the how. the united states is fortunate to have a storied space history. we have the most advanced space technologies, the largest space budgets, a commercial space sector that is innovating and
investing, strong government leadership, universities and laboratories producing valuable primary results and research and above all, talented people in and out of uniform who have created a space infrastructure that has no global equal. it was once famously said that it is in our dna to do things not because they are easy but because they are hard. being at the forefront of space leadership is hard, testing new ideas and surviving through failures, hard, and as i've learned recently, teaching 100 students is really hard. perhaps the hardest thing to do, though, sometimes is to be self-critical. we must be completely honest with ourselves and reviewing our decisions both past and future. we must put aside the pride of ownership and self-interest and change when change is necessary. so, here are a few frank views of my own on this situation. yes, we are currently, as in the united states, at the forefront of space development. but there's no guarantee that we're going to remain in front. our adversaries have been, for a considerable time, increasing their space resources on all
levels. and to miss -- to diminish this or dismiss their efforts as minor is really shortsighted. we cannot simply ignore this changing global environment, and we must use significant determination to accelerate our response. undertaking the extraordinary effort of consolidating our national space defense activities under a common banner is one way to send a very blunt message to the world that we are serious. we as a nation achieve our best results when we are unified, when we are focused on primary problem, when we are passionate in our responses, when we establish a competitive environment for solutions and when we apply innovation not just to technology but also to our thinking. we've seen this innovative thinking applied time and again in american aerospace. at the dawn of flight, the u.s. encouraged the development of an aviation industry and chose not to have government ownership of aviation. this led to us having aviation
as one of the top economic pillars for the last one hundred years. the lessons from world war ii provided that -- led to the creation of the u.s. air force in 1947. we responded to sputnik and to losing ground in the space race by unifying ourselves around a complete transformation of our space efforts, leading not only to our celebrated journey to the moon, but also as importantly to the creation of our space industrial base, a strong nasa, and global recognition of our technical prowess. recently, we've reacted to the shifting ways and means of space by encouraging a new commercial space sector focusing on public-private partnerships. this has allowed hundreds of american technologies to flourish and create beneficial competition throughout the country. our reliance on space assets is growing exponentially in all ways. it's increasing importance to our country cannot be denied. this importance will not diminish and will only continue to expand.
and the challenge we face is not going to become easier. it's not going to become cheaper or less complex or less important in the future. and at this cross roads, there is little to gain, in my view, from taking any middle position. we must do or not do. the question is not what's right for the next decade but what's right for the next century. those of us who work in the space sector really understand that what we do is really the long-term -- is for the long-term, and we are only really just interim custodians for what happens here. what we do now and how we do it will vibrate well into the future. we have had significant success from our space structure. we owe a debt of gratitude to all those who sacrificed to get here. we owe it to them to use what they have used wisely, and our job as leaders is to hear all points of view and to have the wisdom and the judgment to come to informed and balanced decisions. as we go down this road of looking at a space force, this change must be more than just a
paper reorg. it must be real and fundamental and it must be something that we can plan for for the future. people often look at technology fields such as space and the industry that have been in for the last two decades and they look at the hardware and not really what's behind it. the reality is that we are only as good as the people we have on our front lines. we need to keep them engaged by creating strong career paths. a dedicated space force will likely increase retention by creating more and more interesting long-term opportunities for high performers. we would be able to attract the best and brightest to the d.o.d. if they see our best long-term commitment being made by our government. and last but not least, the space is not -- is a large ecosystem. as we consider this change to be successful, we must look at elements beyond the d.o.d. we need to ensure that nasa remains strong while funded and independent as our civil agency. we need to continue to support the u.s. commercial space
industries' investment in technology. we need to incorporate our universities through the support of s.t.e.m. education and future primary research. this will provide motivation to the next generations while pursuing space studies and concurrently increasing the future talent pipeline for the d.o.d. we need to fully utilize the substantial and critical work that's being done in our national laboratories and finally, we need to remember that space is more international than ever before when practical and feasible, we should cooperate with our allies. multinational space activities have been successful for the u.s. in the past and they will be in the future. i'd like to close, sometimes, because i look at important decisions, one of the things that i like to do is to remember my trip to the national archives. when you go up to the national archives, as you walk through the door, there's a shakespearian quote that says what is past is prologue. i would like to end with a walk into the past, if i may. in 1937, the bible for aviation
was called the aircraft yearbook. and there's a quote out of this that i think is very important and perhaps insightful for today. most significant of all in a situation that defies any sort of restraint in describing it is the breakneck race of all other nations for the supremacy in the air. the american people have taken real pride in success. they have always preferred that kind of development as compared to making a flying machine an instrument of war and there's no indication that that national thought has changed. on the other hand, the present activity abroad is predominantly military and is growing so rapidly that it can no longer be ignored. our adversaries are going into mass production of military aircraft as rapidly as facilities permit. their factories are operating day and night. in the laboratories and drafting rooms, their scientists and technicians feverishly work on new things designed for aerial warfare. many of these developments abroad seem fantastic and more of a stunt but in aviation,
stunt flight of today seems bound to become common place tomorrow. powers abroad are spending untold amount of money on research and development but they are not just waiting for new things to be created. they are building quantities of these machines becauased on amen aircraft. the laboratory work in progress surely will also result in much originality in design and construction. therein lies the possible -- to american leadership, they are now making up for lost time. the united states is not spending money -- enough money on fundamental research while the superiority of american equipment is currently unquestioned at present, it is being challenged by the scientific efforts of other powers. americans returning from abroad are convinced that the national thought is to safety from invasion must change, whether or not the people of the united states like it or not, they must take care that foreign nations do not surpass them in the development of air power. if we substitute space for air and those words from 1937, they're just as valid today as
they were then. we know what happens to the world a few years after that all happened. we must use all possible efforts to avoid. this must not happen again. thank you for letting me address the council. >> thank you, mark. thank you for those eloquent words. we look forward to coming back to you with some questions with that. the former deputy commander of the united states cyber command, lieutenant general james mclaughlin is recognized. thank you, general. >> thank you, mr. vice president. vice president pence, members of the national space council, ladies and gentlemen, it is an honor to join these two distinguished panelists to discuss the president's proposal to create a space force. i have a unique perspective on the topic of how the government should organize and manage national security space. you can see from my biography that i spent the majority of my 34-year career in a variety of space assignments that are
relevant to today's discussion. i resonated with your opening comments. i'm very proud of my service in the air force, and what our service has done and the legacy we have in space. but my perspective today really is on the the time of the rumsfeld space commission where i served as a staff member and was active with the secretary to defense. i have first-hand knowledge of what the committee recommended and why. as well is what was and what was not implemented. i'm here representing myself and have no personal or business interest in the outcome of this debate other than what is best for the united states. the space commission was tasked with creating a core within the united states air force and to the secretary defense.
however, after six months of deliberations the commission did not recommend an immediate move toward a department or a core. but instead recommended and internal air force realignment aimed at creating a separate structure within the air force with control over space, organize train and function such as personal manage and functions, financial management and the planning program and acquisition of space systems. the commission stated that once the alignment of the air force was complete, a logical step toward a space department could be the transition to a space within the air force. the committee also recommended a new undersecretary that would oversee and advocate for this mission within the department. so what happened and where are we today? i'm disappointed to say that we missed the generational opportunity. we did not implement the realignment of the air force as
a vision by the space commission, we did not create a strong oversight mechanism. we never started the journey toward the department. we missed the opportunity identified by the commission to create a space commission. and doctrines for space operations. it would be untrue and unfair to say that we have not kept pace. we have made progress that is well short of what is needed. i do have some recommendations moving forward for the council's consideration. to the great it's possible i would like to strive to maintain the focus and leadership, which has been extraordinary. and continue to build consensus. do everything possible to make this a bipartisan issue that resonates and is explained to all americans. don't be distracted by issues
that may seem important to this issue but are actually not central to the problem. or you may end up being disruptive in the wrong areas. don't believe that creating an independent organization would distract us from the urgent plums of the day. because in creating the space personnel doctrine and the capabilities that the nation needs in space is the urgent problem of the day. focus on results and momentum. a line under a single committed space leader provide that leader the needed authority and autonomy and resources over this court space organized train functions. a separate space core within the department of the air force may be viewed as the most efficient and cheapest path to a separate branch of the military. but a space force under a separate department of space would be in my opinion, the most rapid and most effective path toward an organization able to meet the serious threats that exist right now.
not tomorrow or in the midterm. and i would assign and create a separate osd official with responsibility to provide oversight, advocacy, top cover for this new organization and to ensure all actions are being implemented as directed. i do think it's worth mentioning that in my last four years in the air force i was over working in a similar set of problems in the cyber area is the air force component committed were cyber and then for three years as the deputy director of cyber command. it's interesting that we took a different path in the space but again we have the same problems and again in some ways it has not been as controversial. i'd be glad to answer any questions you have regarding that experience. in summary, the purpose of my remarks is not to be critical of any individual organization at all but to simply share the benefits of my experience, provide a candid review and provide some recommendations to
spark a discussion. i look forward to your questions. >> thank you, general and we will move into questions from a few of the members of the council for the panelists, i'm going to go ahead and excuse the secretary of transportation, she has to introduce the president shortly and we will disallow you to lee. thank you. join me in thanking secretary chao . she's done next access great job. let me begin, douglas l. loverro and general james mclaughlin, you spoke about the importance of the president
placing this issue at the center of the national debate. doug, you made some very generous comments about that and, in setting up your statement at the us need for a space force. in what ways, and maybe i'll start with doug and then go to the general and mark you can speak to this. and keep your answers maybe to a minute if you can because i want to get to everybody. how would you best recommend that the president and the administration keep this issue before the american people most effectively? >> thank you, sir. first of all, this kind of a form is obviously part of that effort. we have an issue with the us, in my mind that everybody uses space every day but nobody knows how and why it's important. i think that nasa does a
fantastic job of educating the country on space. we do a far less job of educating on the military use of space. if people understood that military space saves lives and us lives and saves our allies' lives, it saves our treasure, i think that these points need to be brought out to the public so they can understand that this is not just a lark or a late night joke. this is an critical issue for the us. the more we educate folks, the more they will go ahead and support the move because they will understand, as all americans did after world war ii, they understood the importance of the airport that is air force. we don't have the same understanding about space today and i would love to see that happen. >> very well said.
general? >> two things very quick, i do think if you go back to the space commission which i mentioned earlier, the first three recommendations of the 13 had to do with presidential leadership and some structure coordinating within the executive office of the president. and, at the time we were trying to talk about the significant changes in the executive branch and i would say today, it didn't really happen for a lot of good reasons, so i inked the leadership itself on something this big, without it the likelihood of it stalling or it not being brought to rise without leadership. the only thing i would suggest is i think the fact that it's mentioned so much and we have a national space council that is active in the public is just continuing to explain in english my mom and dad would understand why this is so american that is important to american people. so they would understand why we need to make these changes that
would resonate with them. i think we are doing that, but i would encourage that to be done even more so. >> very helpful, mark west and mark >> two things, one of the exercises i've been involved with in the past is an internal one called a day without space. i think if we took that concept of a day without space and brought it out to make it a public accessible understanding of what is a day without space, what would that look like? how would we live to mark it's not just what we do in the military and what we have done within the government, but what we do every day in our lives. i think that simple concept we go to a person and say if we took space away from you, what would that look like. i think that is the way to get to it. and as i agree with my colleague i would add one thing. i would not only what my mom and dad to understand but i think we would bring this to language that the next generation can understand as
well. and make them understand from their fundamental way as they understand their own way of video games of language and their own way of social media, bring it into that context. thank you. >> that is great and very provocative. jim, we ought to come back to that day without space concept for school kids. pretty powerful. how quickly we would lose a lot of the things we all rely on every day. let alone, the things that our national security relies upon. so good comments with that, deck with -- secretary shanahan. >> inc. you for your service, having been part of the rumsfeld commission and certainly deeply involved with cyber command. when you think about it we are
undertaking a similar mission. what would be your lessons learned or how to focus people on quick wins. >> i think where there is a tie between the two communities, you know the space community that i grew up in was while they were very good about their job the did a good job of operating satellites and the intelligence mission in space, but not having to actively engage. the same on the same that's a cyber side it's sort of our communications and our intelligence professionals who also had a different mission before. so, our job and what i think we did very well on the cyber side was we created us cyber command from the very beginning. this was a military operation and we have active offensive
teams and we are building the eat those for those operators to be cyber warriors. and going back 20 years that's the journey i wish we would have started on the space cy 20 years ago. because it creates that ethos . i think that would be something we would want to focus on. >> thank you very much. >> with that, let me recognize the undersecretary, thomas for your question. >> thank you, with continuous dialogue with allies on policies and moving forward together.
one of that is norms for behavior. i would be interested on recommendations in areas we pursue with our partners and allies to prevent the activities of space of conflict and engage into small merciesã as the diplomacy's. >> i spent a lot of time in my last life just talking about those very things. norms of behavior are critical. we have norms of behavior in every domain that are well known, whether they are written in law or not. we have norms of behavior on the use of certain kinds of weapons in every domain, whether they are written in law or not. we like that for space for many reasons, most of which, for decades space was classified. we didn't want to talk about limits in our space capabilities. a lot of that traces back to the fact that we don't know
what our space doctrine is. if we don't know what our space doctrine is, we don't know we should tell and what we shouldn't tell. i believe a huge part of the space force is to develop doctrine that can shape the norms that would be advantage of the united states and our allies in space. we have written several things on this, i think the international outcry when the chinese shot down the weber satellite was enough to make them stop doing it ever again. when we haven't promulgated a norm like that and the way we have promulgated doctrine about landmines, we would be seen as a leader instead of simply having a defense which is where we are today. we would need to lead again as we did in 1967. >> thank you for the question, ma'am. i would look at this a little
differently in saying that while we look at space sometimes as we have looked at airplanes and defense. it is many ways like the it industry right now. what i mean by that is that it is globalizing at a rate that we cannot control and whether or not we like it, countries around the world are being not only active but in many ways leading in certain areas. so i think as we look at this, we might take a lesson out of that book and say why is the world largely on an it standard come out of the united states? it's because we created that forum for these discussions to take place and we were able to bring countries to us in a voluntary way to say we are a leader in what we do and impart my experience in reaching out with over 20 space agencies, not for the purpose of using their money but for the purpose of providing a dialogue that would allow for the globalization of space. not to take place somewhere
else which i think is our goal. so coming back to the it example, the reason the world uses that is because the it structure and the infrastructures the recommendations of the way we do things the reason we have usbs all came from the mindset largely here in the united states and then were brought out to the world. we should see space and that kind of context as opposed to as doug said caused by conflict. thank you. >> i think in these areas like space or cyber where there is not as mature sense of norms in the frameworks associated with them, what i typically would fall back on his every operation we conduct in the military that is authorized by the secretary of defense and the president before that, we follow the law and everything we do. and we follow the policy of our country and all those things. so the question is, are there a
set of norms or redlines that might help shape and give competence to what the united states will do? and i think we will defend ourselves and not violating laws but we will defend our safes and other ways that others might think is provocative. our goal is not to have vacuums created by lack of action but incentivize those who attack us in space because we have not paid attention to it. that is something we don't want. so i think there are ways to approach how you that but i think i agree with everything that is been said. thinking about those norms and thinking about what is bad behavior all to agree what not to do but we just need to be careful. >> great, thank you all. and, general paul szabo the president of the joint chiefs is recognized. >> i have a two part question.
the first is to get your reflections on how you think the combated command us space command would operate in relation to a separate service of the us space force. and in second inside the department, if we were to establish a separate undersecretary for space within the department of defense, at the same time that we just established a department of the space force, could you give me a sense of how you see those two entities interacting with one another? >> that's a great question. i think the first thing if i were to think about a department of space and us space command i have heard some areas where it sounded a little confusing to me as to whether us space command would be a functional combat. sort of like cyber command is
slightly, which makes you think why what i need to service to do that? i first would delineate this as a functional command that fights on behalf of the country and the service that we create is in charge of presenting organized training equipped, which is more traditional. and that is the way i would go with it because i think you undermined the need for department if you try to create a combated command with authorities it creates confusion. the space, even as a cyber guy i would have liked to have had a single focus on what was the oversight office similar to the oversight expertise. i do think an asd in space could do that effectively for military department as well as in the ost's responsibility grade so i see them as these
three entities as complementary organizations that all need to exist but i would recommend that we be careful not to give them overlapping or lack of clarity between the edges between them. >> thank you sir. so, number one i agree with much of what you said, let me take each question individually. on the difference between the combated command as you know, those are to separate actions one of the things that i looked at is we did have a dedicated organization that looked at war planning and strategy formation in space. strategic command which owned that responsibility was unfortunately distracted by more important things, nuclear war. so i understood that we needed that capability. but the command is not going to go ahead and train space forces
and per mark sirangelo's point , that's a long-range objective and one that is critically important to having the right forces. i can easily see in 10 years we might decide that rather than a unified we would have a specified command, dependent on how we organized a space force. today i am a given were space exist in the army, in the navy in the missile defense agency and within the air force, a unified command is necessary and we will have to decide if it continues to be necessary as a space force reaches its potential. in terms of an assistant secretary, i believe that the appointment of an assistant secretary over space over the next two or three years is fundamental to getting this job done. after that, i could easily see that the space responsibility falls under a single undersecretary that may or may
not need an assistant secretary for space. in the 60s, 70s and 80s there was always one undersecretary that led space. in 70s and 80s and in the interim years between the 90s the stc 3 i. yet to go to one person in ost to get permission to do something in space and incredible things were done. and you want to go ahead and get speed who can say yes or no to a service, again in the long term you may not need a specific assistant secretary. it may fall under an undersecretary. but i definitely believe to get the presidents vision done over the next number to-3 years are going to need someone to focus on this problem. >> sir, i agree with my panelists and i would add two
things. after spending 300 or so space missions, one of the things you come to realize is how rapidly sophisticated technology is advancing. it's important not to just have something for the administrative side but we live in an environment where those decisions are going to be happening at a speed and increasing speed that we have not seen before and i think having that unified command will allow that to happen. i think it would also provide a unified front to the industrial base that has to work with this organization. we are spending considerable amounts of our resources on redundancy. i think as we do that we have to look forward also to the budgeting process and make sure we use that money as wisely as possible in unified command. as with any command, having an assistant undersecretary as doug said is required for the short terms. decisions have to be made rapidly and they have to be
made by someone who has the power to make them. and that is the only one weight to reflect externally that we are serious about what we are doing. thank you. >> thank you, general. maybe our last question for the panel from our nasa administrator, jim? >> yes, sir. , i just want to say doug you have been a champion on this issue for very long time. and, as a former member of the house of representatives, mr. vice president should know that we have had the opportunity to vote on what was called the space core. it wasn't a full new service but like the marine corps it was part of the navy, but the space corp would be . we had 344 yes votes. and strong bipartisan support. i voted on it, i was a member of the strategic forces subcommittee i voted on it as a member of the armed services
committee, both cases strong bipartisan support and of course in the house of representatives it got 344 votes. in no small part, doug, because of your leadership. because you were committed and i heard you in your testimony i read your testimony as well, that the point here is this cannot and must not become a partisan issue. and you have been committed to that from the beginning and i wanted to make sure that everybody was aware of that. finally, in your testimony, doug, i read that one of the things that you suggest, and i have heard this before, that because there is no space doctrine, we should have a space force because were not ready for it. and of course in your testimony you said wait a second, we need a space force so we can have a space doctrine. so, i think that is a very important point to make. and finally, when we think about the history here, you
have mentioned arnold. of course critically important historyãas historical person and before him was billy mitchell. billy mitchell was a good general who became very strong advocate for a separate independent air force after world war i. he was such a strong advocate at a time when a lot of the political leadership wasn't ready, he eventually got fired. it is also true that when we started flying missions in world war ii from aircraft carriers, we had air force bombers on aircraft carriers. those be 25 bombers were called the mitchell, the b-25 mitchell. when you look at the history, there have been visionaries that got dismissed and eventually they were proven correct and doug i think you're one of those people. i just want to make sure that is on the record.
>> sir, thank you very much. it's been a pleasure to work with you over the years on this important topic. i need to say two things. first i need to talk about captain paul beck. but captain paul beck was actually the first advocate in 1913, he was the only uniformed member of the air service going out and testifying port at a time when billy mitch are, happ digital had testified against it. you have never heard of captain beck because he was caught in a liaison with the wife of a supreme court justice and was shot. so i hope i do not meet that fate. but, to your point, doctrine is just about everything. doctrine dictates what we buy, how we train, how we plan, how
we go ahead and develop our space forces. today we don't have a space doctrine because doctrine is developed by domain services. it is untrue to say there's not a document called space doctrine. the the land doctrines are developed by the army, the air doctrines are open by the air force, the sea documents are created by the navy. people have asked word decades who is over space, and we had no answer. were not going to get there without a service that promulgates and promotes those people who can think in that way. thank you. >> well, i want to invite everyone to think this extraordinary panel for their contributions to this meeting and their contributions to the life of the nation.
thank you. with that, we are going to open the floor for discussion about the united states space force and the recommendations that will be proposed for the president. i'm going to ask the members of the national space council to approve those proposals shortly. but, the public should know that the members of this council have been deeply involved in interagency discussions regarding the space force and several have asked for the opportunity to provide public remarks at this time. so, in the interest of transparency and keeping the public fully informed about this process, i wanted to make sure several of our members had an opportunity, i would say to all the members if you want to submit written remarks for the record for public inspection as well, you are entitled to do
that. let me begin with the deputy secretary of defense patrick shanahan and again thank you, patrick for your great leadership at the pentagon and in moving president trump's vision for space force forward. >> you sir it's great to be here with all of you and i would have to say we have come a long way since our inaugural space council meeting. before making some remarks i thought it would give out a few thank you spirit so esther vice president thank you for your leadership, for your drive and for your patience. we have to go fast. sue, thank you for your working together spirit and forward thinking. secretary wilson, i greatly appreciate your teamwork and your commitment to getting things right. general's elbow i can't think
of a better partner. your expertise and focus on the war fighter and technical prowess is unmatched. doctor scott pace, i appreciate your making sure there is no daily between operations and there is russ. russ, thank you for your fiscal stewardship. it's always helpful the state. >> that is a great list. well said. >> is always helpful to restate the reason we are here. us military is the best in the world in space. but our adversaries have taken note and are actively developing and fielding capabilities to potentially deny our usage of space and crisis or war. at the same time, commercial space industry has moved forward in ways never imagined.
presidents trump has directed a response to the threats from adversaries and the opportunities of commercial space be combined to create a solution. the space force. the creation of the space force is no easy task as i have come to learn firsthand. mr. vice president, we are moving out. thank you. we owe a legislative proposal in the coming weeks and that is a significant lift. the legislative proposal will embody our guiding principles. speed and effectiveness. speed and leveraging commercial spake that's a space technology and resources. speed in escaping red tape. speed in fielding capabilities sooner. it will reflect our drive to be more affect. effective in maximizing how we are more integrated technically
to unlock our ability to be united in our space operations. effective in creating a solution and then together not singularly, leveraging the solutions across the enterprise. effective and how we structure the space force. cost is not in independent variable. we must demonstrate prudence and create value. our most pressing focus is the construction of the space development agency. we are defining the statement of work, the resources, the mix of talent and many other critical attributes. the space development agency will leverage technology, standards and architecture to enable unparalleled integration. the technical foundation must be provision for growth and new measures that just missions.
with the readiness of technology, anchored by our assumptions on how quickly we can scale. very, very smart technical leaders are focused on this effort. this will lead to a budget proposal outlining both how we will stand up space force and what new war fighting capabilities we need to ensure our dominance in space. in conclusion, mr. vice president i appreciate your steady hand and driving the president vision into reality. the department of defense is moving out. thank you. >> with that, the chair recognizes the principled activity directoryãis director of national intelligence. a woman the president and i have come to respect so greatly for her role in the life of the nation for her steady counsel,
join meet in thinking sue gordon for her great leadership and presence here today. >> mr. vice president, thank you for your steady leadership of the council and for your work to elevate american preeminence in space. i am absolutely delighted to be here representing women and men of the intelligence community and i am honored to be in the presence of such distinguished colleagues who share in this vital quest. and, to doug, mark, and kevin, to have your voices lent to this endeavor gives me great confidence. so thank you very much. the intelligence committee that is community applauds our efforts to protect our
strategic domain. but it is a strategic advantage that our adversaries and competitors would seek to diminish. we assess that russia and china continue to focus on establishing operational forces design to attack united states space systems. space is a war fighting domain for them as demonstrated by the creation of dedicated military space organizations over the past several years. russian and chinese destructive antisatellite weapons will probably reach an operating capability in the next few years. and both these countries are advancing directive energy weapons and technology for the purpose of fielding antisatellite weapons that could blind or damaged our sensitive based sensors such as those used for remote sensing missile defense. and in addition, russia and china continue to launch experimental satellites that
conducts a stick datedãas sophisticated capabilities. if a future conflict were to occur involving russia or china, either country would probably justify attacks against us and allied satellites as necessary to off- site any perceived aggression. now president trump's strategy for space recognizes that our competitors and adversaries have turned the space into a war fighting domain. the development of a space war is necessary to counter these adversarial actions. it is simply that the united states must maintain its leadership, its preeminence and freedom of action in space. i want to assure the space council members and the public that in the face of an emerging threat, the intelligence community and the department of defense have not been idle.
we are not well designed for waiting. together we have created common mechanisms for collaboration that greatly improved our effectiveness in space. more, i'm working closely with the deputy secretary shanahan and vice chairman shall to ensure the department is even better positioned and aligned as we move forward for delivering outcome. simply put, the intelligence committee is leaving in the development of space force and building aggressively on our storied past. in the president's national strategy for space requires the intelligence committee to work hand-in-hand in four areas. first, we are jointly working to accelerate the transportation of our architecture to help with resiliency. second, we are working to strengthen our difference and
war fighting options. the intelligence community is pursuing with the department of defense ways to strengthen us and allied efforts to deter potential adversaries from extending conflict into space. and if deterrence fails, the counter threats used by those adversaries for counter actions. third, we are working to improve our foundational capability structures and processes. i've directed elements of the intelligence community to work with the air force and the secretary of defense for research and development and other key air forceãas space force stakeholders through insured, to improve situational awareness, intelligence and acquisition processes. and finally we are directly supporting the space force by providing unique actionable intelligence. and by having our analyst co-
located within the space command. they share the floor to make sure that we act as one. this allows us to jointly test new approaches to space operations and windows operations demonstrate merit, we will work to jointly field new capabilities. mr. vice president, members of the council, since 1961 the intelligence committee has invested in space. supporting exploration, reconnaissance and defense in, from, and to do this domain. i appreciate the opportunity to describe how the intelligence community is working to espouse and the development of a space force. i look forward to updating the council as our work progresses. now, let us be up and doing. thank you, mr. vice president . >> thank you, sue.
take you for your energetic collaboration. in this effort between defense and the intelligence community. you have most certainly as evidenced by your remarks today you have not been idle and are both moving out and the president i know is very grateful. with that, the vice chairman of the joint chiefs is has also brought an extraordinary amount of visionary energy to this effort. general paul salvo and the chair recognizes you. >> thank you, mr. vice president and thank you to all of my colleagues. this is been a joint effort. thank you for your collegial work in this as well as the secretary of the air force for her leadership in trying to get the organization. general dunford regrets that he cannot be here today, but i
will make a very brief comment in his stead. the joint chiefs are unanimous in their support for the standup of a combatant command and our development of doctrine, tactic and procedures and more importantly to discuss the authorities, responsibility and rules of engagement for conduct in space. for the conduct and offense of and to protect our constellation and to support our war fighters in all domains and across all domains and to protect our ability to deploy civil, commercial and military space to the benefit of the nation. and with that, mr. vice president i yield any time that's available to my colleagues on the council. >> well, with your, thank you general, thank you for your
characteristic brevity but also rank you for your tremendous collaboration on this in your position with the air force and as vice chairman of the joint chiefs. i am always pleased to see the chairman present for these occasions, but especially so for you to be here today. thank you for your energetic efforts on behalf of of this effort and on behalf of the american people. with that, the chair recognizes colonel andrea thompson who is the undersecretary of state for the department of state and an alumni of the vice presidents office. so, we are so pleased to take you taking what a leading department in the state department on behalf of the secretary. >> thank you mr. vice president and thank you for the opportunity to serve with you
it's a great honor to be able to represent secretary pompeo and the men and women of the state department. much like my partner in crime across the way i will keep my remarks brief. very briefly, as we meet today i think it's important to note that the american diplomats that are up it new york at the united nations engaging in discussions on space security and the peaceful use of space. there working hard to implement the presidents guidance to ensure that our most cherished values and ideals are at the foundation of the future of boundless expense in space. you continue to plate a role in our role in space. to provide unfettered access to space in order to advance america's security, economic prosperity and scientific knowledge. and of course as both you and the president have said america first does not mean america
alone. therefore the department of state actively seeks constructive partnerships with their spacefaring nations that share our goals of strengthening the safety and the stability and sustainability of their and our space activities. at the same time, we also recognize that our competitors thereãas competitors and adversaries have turned into an adversarial domain. to me our national activities in light of existing threats while maintaining the existing international laws we spoke of for decades. it's great honor and i look forward. thank you mr. vice president. >> thank you very much. good report our regards to the
secretary and thank you for your energetic support. it's great to call you undersecretary of state. it really is. i'm going to recognize the deputy director of the office of management and budget who as the deputy very secretary of defense has been working hand in glove to address the budget issues associated with us moving toward the president's vision of a space force. russ, thank you for being here. >> inky mr. vice president. this is a national imperative that will provide much-needed organizational monetization and better positioned this nation to continue to use space to support our national security, the economy and citizens. i also want to think the panel members i want to applaud my colleagues on the progress that they are making in pursuit of their on going missions. omb is continuing to work with the departments and agencies to improve the effectiveness and
efficiency and we also understand the strategic changes are often necessary to a changing environment. these types of changes are often difficult and dod's management is no different. there is a clear and consistent course of independent studies, including our own from just last year regarding the need for strategic change in organization training and equipping the ods forces. in preparation for this this morning i read our report from last year and one of the things that i found a resting was that this is the least capable our adversaries will ever be in space. we need to do it now. the commission best summarized and management of national security of space programs. us-based preeminence will erode to the extent that space ceases to provide a competitive space security advantage.
the president's vision is strongly supported by these studies and omb is working diligently to implement them. omb has been working closely with dod and the deputy secretary of defense in this endeavor. omb is committed to properly resourcing the space force in the 2020 federal budget and omb is also prepared to support the preparatory elements preparedã is primarily within the office of the secretary defense. they are essential to the timely realization of the president's vision. while a proposal works remains a work in process, we are committed to a lien organizational structure that responsibly employs taxpayer resources. dod is already performing a broad sweep of space missions and in the near term the primary efforts will be to realign and consolidate the many organized trains and to eliminate redundancies as we go
along. once the core organization is established in 2020 it will rapidly scale to assume responsibilities for the other services. this will be a process that will be responsibly and deliberately transferring functions without disrupting ongoing activities. we will be finalizing and implementation plan in the coming months. we look forward to rolling out the budget in a formal legislative proposal next year. mr. vice president, we are honored to be a part of making the presidents vision a relaxed ãjust a reality. >> thank you, well done. the chiro will need to be departing shortly at the top of the hour so i'm going to ask all the remaining members of the national space council if you have prepared remarks we would like to have you submit them to the record for public consideration. and we are very grateful for your ongoing counsel.
with that, thank you all for your comments and contributions today and your presence has given us clear direction on space force and now it is incumbent on the national space council to provide sound advice on how we move out. this discussion is certainly informed that but now it i recognize the deck deputy very secretary of defense to describe our intentions to the president. >> mr. president before the space council or six recommendations. as we move forward on establishing a space force , these have all been well coordinated among the members of the council. recommendation 1 guides the creation of a new unified space command. recommendation 2 provides direction on a legislative proposal of the space force. recommendation 3 invests the
fiscal year 2020 budget for the space force. recommendation 4 outlines and inter-agency authorities review. recommendation 5 establishes the joint space development agency and recommendation 6 is on strengthening the relationship between intelligence communities and the space force. i ask the national space council to approve these recommendations. >> thank you, deputy separateã a secretary, you have heard the recommendations and the interagency process. are there any outstanding comments or objections to the recommendations as described? seeing no objection, i direct the executive secretary to enter the recommendations into the records of the national space council and create a
publicly available fact sheet for the executive secretary and prepare a memo with the sect that says president to notify of these recommendations and to members of the national space council our advisory group and all that are looking on. i would anticipate the president taking action in the very near future on these recommendations as warranted. theãas he only asks me about the space force every week so i know he will be very grateful for the energetic efforts and the substantive and thoughtful recommendations brought forward by the experts that we have heard from and the agencies that are at the table and involved in this. to close, let me thank everyone for joining us here for the fourth national meeting of the space council it will be our last for the calendar year 2018. we anticipate meeting early in 2019 to continue the work of the national space council and
it is our expectation in 2019 that we may well see new american platforms moving from american soil into space and in fact, platforms and rockets shortly thereafter will begin to carry american astronauts into space. we are making progress as americans and we should all be proud of nasa and we should all be proud of the efforts all described here today. to the members of the national space council to admiral ellis to members of the user advisory group i want to take you for your ongoing contributions to this effort. we are just getting started and we are moving out, but the work has really just begun. i look forward to working with each of you to make the next 16 months of the national space council as productive for the president and for the american people as the first 16 months have been. let me take a few moments just
to thank a few folks before we dismiss. the staff of the national space council, doctors got pace, everyone on our team i want to congratulate, stand up and take a bow. to our distinguished panelists, it's a testimony here today but more importantly that there is a voice in the american policy has contributed to the progress that we have made in the last. join me in thanking this remarkable group of experts. >> i also want to thank our great host, vice admiral fritz roegge who spoke at the onset
and thank you for your hospitality. more importantly, inc. you for your ongoing service to the nation. it is my great honor that to be now part of the history of the storied institution will be a meeting of the national space council where we forwarded recommendations to the president of the united states of america to form the united states space force. so join me and thinking the national war colleagues. with that, thanks to all of you and all of you who are looking on from afar. i can assure you that the national space council and all of our members are going to continue to move forward with cheerful impatience to advance the presidents vision for american leadership in space. i have been so struck by a
number of the comments that have been made today that it is the unanimous recommendation of experts now for decades that america would take the step that we have begun in this administration to take. we will do it on a bipartisan basis. we will do it in listing the energy and enthusiasm of the american people and we will do it with the support of all of you that are here and all that are looking on. and with your help and with president trump's continued energetic leadership and the strong support of congress, the strong support of the pentagon and our intelligence community agencies represented here, i believe we will make history. and we will launch the united states space force and america will lead to a more peaceful and prosperous future in space for america and for all of mankind. inc. you all very much and god bless
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