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ading in. there were put up in january 2002 and barriers in front of the supreme court. does this report addressed the efficiency of the safety aspects of these barriers and these particular buildings? or is it just a matter of time before someone parks a truck or builds a bigger bomb? guest: the key take away like these protective measures, like these barriers, to increase and enhance security, is the need for the government to effectively share information with local law enforcement and others so that when there is a credible threat that they can act accordingly. that may mean establishing barriers or taking other protective measures. information sharing is yet
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another area on the high risk list. the government has made improvements in collecting, analyzing, and sharing information with the law enforcement but they need to further improve those efforts establish accountability structures to make sure that the sharing is occurring, and that the information that these stakeholders need itare being sent. it relates to the broader issue about the need for effective information relating to homeland security to be shared with law enforcement and others. host: cathy berrick the managing director of the homeland security and justice department. the report the department of homeland security progress made and work remaining in implementing the homeland security missions 10 years after 9/11.
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you can find it on there website. thank you for being on the program. tomorrow continuing our coverage of events relating to the 9/11 attacks including the president's trip to new york pa., and the pentagon for the 10th anniversary. he and the first lady will attend a concert and an interfaith service at the washington national cathedral. for all of our information on the coverage coming you can find the information on our website, thank you for watching this edition of "washington journal" and we will see you tomorrow at 7:00 a.m. eastern. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011]
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>> coming up next, the first meeting of the joint deficit- reduction meeting followed by president obama as speech to the joint session of congress on jobs legislation. later, more on the memorial of ceremony from the shanks bill, pa., at 12:30 p.m. eastern -- shankesville pennsylvania. >> live coverage from each of the memorial sites. here is the live scandal. today at 12:30 p.m. eastern flight 93 national memorial dedication. in memorial ceremony from the world trade center site with president obama and former president bush. vice-president joe biden from
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the pentagon. on c-span3, honoring those who lost their minds on united flight 93. 9/11 remembered, this weekend on the c-span networks. >> sunday, a look back on the 9/11 attacks. we will take your calls and the meals before joining live coverage of the remembrances from ground zero in new york city. >> look for congress to continue federal spending including funding for recent natural disasters. keep tabs on the deficit committee as they formulate a plan on the debt and follow the presidential candidates as they campaigned across the country. all available on a radio come on line, social media sites. search watch and share anytime.
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bringing our resources to local communities and showing events from around the country. washington coming your way. the c-span networks. created by cable and provided as a public service. >> the joint opposite committee held their first meeting wednesday with members on both sides of the aisle. senate minority whip john kyl said they need to come up with a plan by the end of october to come up with the november deadline. at one point, allowed protesters could be heard chanting outside the hearing room. their next meeting is scheduled for tuesday september 13th, with cbo office director. this is just over one hour. >> the joint committee will come to order. if the photographers would please remove themselves.
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today, the joint committee convenes its inaugural meeting in accord with the budget control act of 2011. i welcome my colleagues from the house and the senate and my co- chair and i think each and every one of you for agreeing to serve. today's inaugural meeting is for the purpose of organizing the committee and there are two items on the agenda. each member will have an opportunity to make an opening statement, and then the committee will take up considerations of its rules. after which we will adjourn. the joint committee has noticed its intention to hold its first hearing next week on september 13th entitled, "the history and drivers of our nation's debt and its threats." the director of the congressional budget office will
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be our only witness. finally, i wish to announce senator marie and i have agreed to alternate sharing the hearings and meetings -- senator murray and i will share. it was decided that i would share the first meeting. before the chair yields to himself, the chair which is to remind that any manifestation that any approval or disapproval including the use of signs or placards is a violation of the rules of the house. the chair wishes to thank our guests in advance for their maintaining order and decorum. the chair will now yield to himself for an opening statement.
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steadying many different examples over a vast expanse of world history it paints a tragic mosaic of high unemployment currency debasement, civil unrest, and the collapse of the nation. this is a past that we do not want to fill in america. when it comes to our own debt crises the needle on the gauge has now entered the red zone. speak to any fortune 500 ceo or any small business and it is clear that our debt hangs like the sword of damocles over their hiring decisions. as one person in my district put
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it "i know somehow someday i will have to pay for all of this debt now is not the time that i will take the risk of buying a bunch of new equipment or hiring a bunch of people." as his elected representative, how can i ignore such sentiment especially when i hear it everywhere and i know it is shared by thousands and thousands of jobs craters from coast to coast? i hope it would be obvious to all that the deficit reduction in a path to fiscal sustainability is a jobs program. secondly, our debt threatens our national defense. no less of an authority than the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff have said, "the single biggest threat to our national security is our debt." interest payments alone we are enabling china to buy two jetfighters per week. is it not our public duty to
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respond to this kind of mourning with the same alarm and resolve that would be summoned to defeat any other threat to our nation? finally, our debt threatens our children's futures. spending has grown from its historical norm of 20% to 24% and it can grow to 40% and beyond. to finance borrowing interest payments alone would crush our economy. if financed through taxing, it would more than double the tax burden never dreamed of by the american people and businesses which employ them. should we let this happen, i fear we would be the first generation in american history to leave the next generation with less freedom your opportunities, and a lower standard of living. i will not sit idly by and watch the american dream disapprove --
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disappear for my daughter and son. i believe that is a sentiment shared by all of my colleagues. what exactly is driving our debt? president obama has said, "the major driver of our long term liabilities, everybody knows it, is medicare, medicaid, and our health care spending. nothing else comes close." i agree. the president has also said, "if you look at the numbers, then medicare in a particular will run out of money and we will not be able to sustain that program no matter how much taxes go up. it is not an option for us to just sit by and do nothing." again, i agree. this takes us to the charge of the committee. i have many hopes. i hope we are able to bring about pro-growth tax reform to bring about more revenues. i hope we can prioritize
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spending, as families and small businesses do every day. i hope we are able to perform many different programs to make it more efficient and effective. in order to succeed come i know this committee must be primarily about the business of saving and reforming social safety net programs that are not only failing many beneficiaries but going broke at the same time. i approach our task with a profound sense of urgency, high hopes, and realistic expectations. the task to achieve $1.50 trillion in bipartisan deficit reduction will not be easy, but it is essential. as we proceed like any other committee, there will be public hearings. there will be ample opportunities for the public to have their opinions heard. like any other committee of congress, there will be some discussions among members that will not be public. however, no final product will
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be adopted without ample public notice and a public vote according to the rules. whenever this committee may achieve, i hope we can at least agree that it is past time to stop spending money we do not have. it is past time to borrowing 42 cents on the $1, each from the chinese come and send the bill to our kids. i do not believe this committee alone will solve our nation's debt crisis, but a bipartisan negotiation will be a wonderful needed to come hopeful step in the right direction. beyond this committee in this congress one day this generation will be judged. will history report that we wrote the first chapter of the american decline? or will history report that we kept faith with the finding -- founding fathers and left the next generation with greater blessings of liberty and vaults
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of limitless opportunities? the choice is ours. that the work began. the co-chair yields to the gentle lady from washington. >> thank you chair. thank you to agreeing to co- chair and the commitment we have in the upcoming weeks to put together this challenge in front of us. i also want to thank our committee members as well. i have spent a lot of time travelling around my home state talking to struggling families. i heard from people from all walks of life with different challenges hopes come and ideas about where we need to go as a nation. the one question i got from some many of them is, "what is going on in the washington, d.c.?" they are worried. many are scared.
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they are frustrated. they want this country to work and they know it can, but many worry our government is broken and it is time. this committee had the opportunity to show the american people that we can still come together, put politics aside and solve a problem plaguing our country. we each got and the politics for a different reason, but i'm quite certain none of us came here to engage in the petty bickering that has been dominating the discourse lately. we may not all agree on the solutions to our problems come and we may not even agree about what the biggest problems are but i know everyone of us understand our great nations serious challenge. i hear from so many families about the crisis devastating the middle class and that we need to order to gather as a nation to address. i hear from businesses that are struggling especially small businesses having a tough time
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creating jobs that americans desperately need to fill. because of the sluggish economy as well as for structural and policy reasons our federal government is facing deep, short, and long-term deficit. a growing national debt, that if left unchecked, will be an overwhelming burden for our children and grandchildren to bear. there is no doubt that our country faces deep and serious problems but i'm confident we can face them together and come out stronger because we have done before as serious as the problems we face are we have faced a greater. our people and our political system have always found a way to meet our challenges, move beyond them, and flourish. that is why i agreed to co- chair the joint select committee, and i am proud to get to work with all of our committee members who have shown
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that they are also serious about the challenge in front of us. it is not because i believe this committee will solve every one of the problems our nation faces and not because i believe this task we are charged with will be easy or pain-free. i believe we owe it to the family of nonrepresentational finally come together and, put their needs first the families that we all represent and finally come together to put our nation on a solid path forward. this is made up of six democrats and six republicans. we each come in with our own strong set of principles, believe scum and priorities for the country that we love. while none of us will never set aside or betray our principles, we must keep in mind there is much more that binds us as americans that divides us, and we must all be open to compromise and the viewpoints of others. that is why i am so glad that as we have gotten this process off
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the ground that committee members had refrained from drawing lines in the sand or carving out areas that cannot be touched. as we move forward, i hope we can continue to not allow ourselves to be pigeonholed by special-interest groups media pundits, and we are allowed in the room to come to a balanced agreement. there is a broad understanding that economic growth and jobs creation are the best way to reduce the deficit and debt, although we do have some real differences regarding how to achieve it. if we want to get our country back on track, we must come together around a balanced plan that can pass this committee with bipartisan support, passed both chambers of congress, get signed into law, and that we can be proud to take to the american people. the a successful final product for this committee will not be one that we would have written on our own and will have to include compromises on all sides. we have not been given much time
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to accomplish this, but thankfully we are not starting from scratch. together we can build on the work of many come from both sides of the aisle, who have worked hard on deficit reduction proposals. now come families across america are looking to this committee to take those last few steps and get this done. but the same families that sat at their own kitchen tables making tough wishes -- tough choices about their does the future. this will not be easy, but we can do it. i look forward to working with my colleagues on this critical and serious task. today, we will be discussing a said the proposed rules for this committee that i have worked on a closely with my co-chair and i want to echo what he has said. i am confident they will give this committee the structure it needs to conduct our business transparently, get input from experts and members of the public, and work together to
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pass a bipartisan plan that works for the american people. i believe the people have bought access to committee business like they do with every committee, and i believe these rules will allow us to do exactly that. we looked at how house and senate committees operate and we work together to make sure the committee met publicly but also had the ability to meet just among members to discuss important issues. as this committee worked to bring its final product for word, let me make it clear that the product will be public so that my colleagues in the american people will know what this committee has put together. i look forward to working with you. >> the co-chairmen now recognizes the gentleman from ohio. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i appreciate the way that you and senator murray had laid out the task before us.
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this committee exists because nothing else has worked to address the serious this crisis before us that threatens to sink the economy. the signs are all round us. the faltering economy and this budget problem are all linked. an economy burdened by excessive spending and borrowing does not create jobs. it creates uncertainty and caution. an economy failing to create jobs stretches resources even further and fails to create the revenue needed to close the gap. these are the twin challenges of our time. both must be addressed together. this committee has been tasked with reducing the deficit by $1.50 trillion over one decade. it is a significant task and reductions of this level have never been done in a single
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piece of legislation. cutting $1.50 trillion go can be achieved. -- though can be achieved. this is just 3.5% of total federal spending over the next decade. the give how many families and businesses we all represent have had to do much more in the past few years. -- think of how many families have had to do more. as i have calculated, based on the more realistic policy-based lines, the debt is likely to increase by $13 trillion so the goal of $1.50 trillion would reduce the increase of debt by only 12%. yes, we should aim higher. we should aim to do what is necessary to bring long-term stability to the federal government. the american people wanted. the financial market and credit agencies are looking for this.
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future generations to are inheriting this debt deserve it. let us at least hit the $1.50 trillion target. long-term stability means reaching the 10-year target is not enough. the quality of reform matters more than the quantity over the next 10 years. one time savings could add up to $1.50 trillion over 10 years but they would leave in place soaring future deficit caused by an reform entitlements. i am sure this will be a spirited debate, but let us keep in mind that the long-term deficit projected are causes of rising spending not declining revenues. even if we were to keep the tax rates where they are today meaning the laws would be extended for the tax cuts from 2001 and 2003, the cbo figures show residues -- revenues would
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still be above the g.d.p. historical average of this next decade. spending has jumped from its historic average up 20% and to 24% and is projected to soar well above that to 40% of gdp. we should aim for structural reforms that preserve and strengthen the entitlement reforms to insure the benefits are there but also reining in costs that threaten to bankrupt these programs for our children and grandchildren. this does not mean we should ignore taxes. we should try to fix the anti- growth tax code. this could eliminate unjustified tax preferences and encourage savings, investment, and jobs which would create economic growth and generate more revenue. i look forward to working with my colleagues on this committee.
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the american people are counting on us and we cannot let them down. >> the co-chair now recognizes the gentleman from california. >> i want to of knowledge the cochairs for their willingness to serve the american people in this difficult task. will we embraced this opportunity to lead and put our economy back on track? or we'll let the cynics and naysayers carry the day? we should start this process without limitations. it is precisely because of this difficult nature that we need to step up and not cower from the challenge before us. i'm confident that each one of my colleagues would agree that we must live and breathe at believing failure is not an option. we can prove to the american people that their representative
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democracy is still alive and well. we can do that by simply listening to them. but have been telling us time and time again to put on the same uniform and work as democrats and republicans but as americans to treat everyone on the team faerie -- fairly as we spread the pain and gain. they have said that and clear, "tackle the biggest deficit -- the jobs deficit -- as we restore fiscal responsibility to our budget." not too long ago we saw budget surpluses and we had the best that it of job creation in one decade. times have changed. this committee must be completely open about what drove us here and how we plan to solve this fiscal challenge. the committee should be transparent. we should point out the waste fraud come and abuse and shine a light in any loopholes. the taxpayers deserve nothing less than complete
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accountability. these are tough times. the 14 million american workers are still out of a job through no fault of their own. these are honest people out there looking for an honest day's work these people would be happy to be paying taxes again instead of drawing unemployment check, which is the best way to reduce the deficit. but these millions of americans back to work and get the economy growing. america works when americans are working. we should set out to ensure any plan we propose does not get in the way of an american willing to work getting a job. that is only part of the solution. we must achieve balance economic recovery and investment smart long-term deficit reduction. by listening to the american people and allowing them to learn about the cause of these deficits through these meetings, we can leave our country to find a sound solution to the deep fiscal troubles. i look forward to working with each and every one of my colleagues on american solution to this challenge.
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let's get to it. i yield back my time. >> thank you. the chair now recognizes the gentleman from michigan. >> thank you chairman and chairwoman. the problem it faces obvious. there is too much government spending, too much federal debt and impeding our economy's ability to grow. as a result, too few private- sector jobs are being created. we know it and the american people know what. a quick look at the facts shows this committee has their work cut out. there were zero net jobs created in the month of august, roughly 40 million americans out of work, and the unemployment rate continues to hover around 9%. the total debt for fiscal year 2010 reached 93.1% of gdp and it
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is growing at an astronomical and unsustainable rate. by the end of this fiscal year our debt will exceed our g.d.p. and according to expert testimony before the simpson- bowles commission, this has already cost us 1 million jobs. these problems have been decades in the making. frankly, both parties have refused to enact many of the necessary and well-known solutions. simply put, washington has over- promised and under-performed. as a result, this committee will have to make the tough decisions needed to find at least $1.50 trillion in debt reduction and find another step before getting washington spending under control so we can get back on track. as i stated when i was named to this committee, the final product must be looked at through the prism of job creation.
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will the recommendations we make help or hurt job creation now and in the future? >> the gentleman will suspend until the disturbances taken care of. >> if the staff will shut the doors.
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[inaudible] >> if the staff would to the best of their ability shut the door.
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we will continue our proceedings. the chair believes the american people want to see this committee succeed. so if members perhaps could speak a little bit more loudly than usual. >> i will try to do that. >> the chair again recognizes the gentleman from michigan. >> i didn't mean to empty the room. let me continue by say by reducing the burden the federal debt places on taxpayers we can help get america back on track and back to work. tax reform would spur job creation and should be a part of our discussion. the task before us is daunting and not one that lends itself to quick fixes. i urge my colleagues to focus on the short-term and long-term impact. i am not naive, but i am
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optimistic we can succeed. i look forward to working with all of you on the committee. >> the chair now recognizes senator baucus. >> mr. chairman, we couldn't hear representative camp. >> i will make sure you get a copy of my remarks. [laughter] >> i will read them very closely. >> if the gentleman would yield, we call this room informally the big house, and we are just getting ready for the night game on saturday. >> in an attempt to gain order again, i do not know when the disturbance in the hallway will be taken care of. so i would like for us to go ahead and proceed. certainly the american people can hear our statements, and it is being recorded. >> up again, mr. chairman. mr. chairman, in the first part of august when i was in
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montana, as i was climbing on a mountain at about 10,000 500 feet up on this mountain, my cell phone rank. it was leader reid asking me if i would like to be on this committee. i said i would like to have that honor. when i got off the mountain and started talking to people, in the years i have never experienced so many people saying exactly the same thing to me with the same enthusiasm. they said we are glad you on the committee but we feel sorry for you. we wish you the best because it is something that has to be accomplished. that expresses the wisdom of the american people, namely we have a huge problem ahead of us and the american people want us to solve it. pretty simple. i have a couple of basic points. number one, i think that we
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should aim higher rather than lower. we are charged with reducing the deficit by about $1.5 trillion. i think we should try to do more. if we can do a little more, then we will be able to get our fiscal house in order much more quickly than we otherwise might. we also must recognize that we are at a real crossroads here. that is, if the country is looking at us businesses are looking at us, consumers are looking at us. there is a lot of uncertainty in the country and in the world today. if we can get our act together, we as a country and get our fiscal house in order that will address a lot of the uncertainty that exists today causing us to slip back into recession or at least causing us not to create the jobs that we want to create. we have to be balanced, clearly. we have to be fair.
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we have to include revenues. it is not just spending. it also is revenues. many groups have done a lot of good work. simpson son the gang of six lots of proposals out there. people worked extraordinarily hard and put a lot of energy in trying to solve the problem. we should take advantage of their work because it is very good work done by a lot of very good people. jobs clearly. since the statute was passed creating this commission there has been a greater need and cry for more jobs. clearly, the efforts we undertake must help find a way to get more jobs. more jobs means more growth. more growth means more revenue. more revenue means we can solve this problem more easily. so i ask my colleagues as we work together -- lyndon johnson once said, and it has been said
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thousands of times. one cannot solve things by one's self. we have to work together to achieve problems. we must work together, keep our eye on the ball not get distracted by a lot of stuff and dig down really deep to get this thing solved. thank you. >> the co-chair now recognizes the gentleman from pennsylvania senator toomey. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i think several of my colleagues have addressed the magnitude of this problem. i think we all understand it is huge. it is my hope that our response will be commensurate. the fiscal mess we are in now threatens our livelihoods, prosperity opportunity and even national security. but we have an extraordinary opportunity to do something about it to begin to put our government on a sustainable
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fiscal path and to do it in a way that well encourage economic growth and the job creation we all know we badly need. i think the challenge calls for a bold response. we could choose just to nibble around the edges of this problem and look for redundant programs and obsolete programs, and we need to do that. we need to find them. they are out there. it might be they will even add up to $1.5 trillion, which is our statutory goal. but i think we wouldn't really be doing all that is necessary to put us on a pro-growth sustainable path. if we are going to truly meet the challenge that we face, we do need to address the bill entitlement programs we all know are driving this fiscal problem. it is not easy for any of us to do that. we all have many constituents who rely on these programs. it means that we would have to
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make some real changes. but we can do it in a way that protects the society that we want to protect and can put us in a viable and sustainable path. we can do it in a bipartisan fashion. that is a big opportunity for us. the other thing we have to do is maximize economic growth. if we can expand growth 1% a year otherwise than it would that is $3 trillion more than it would be ordinarily and more jobs. how do we do that? cutting spending and reducing the deficit is pro growth because it removes the chilling effect that it has on job creation and investment.
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the other opportunity for us is tax reform. a fairer system that has lower marginal rates would go a long way to help this problem. i think our tax code is a national embarrassment. both parties are guilty of getting it where it is now. we have ethanol credit that are bad tax policy. we used the tax code to force americans to pay more for energy. that costs jobs. when huge iconic corporations can pay little or mo tax that is indefensible. i think we should wipe out the special favors, have lower rates, encourage the growth that will generate more revenue and jobs. mr. chairman, it is a very big challenge that we face. i hope well rise to the occasion. >> thank you. the co-chair now recognizes the gentleman from south carolina, congressman clibe urn.
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>> thank you very much, mr. chairman and madam chair. it is an honor and i am humble to be a part of this katie. as i mentioned in my op-ed piece, the enthusiastic reaction of my constituents and others has caused me to reflect on having grown up in a parsnadge. despite the expectations of us we are not the chosen 12. i enter these deliberations with a clear vision, an open mind and a willingness to find common ground. i have always said that if the distance between me and an opponent is five steps, i don't mind taking three of them. i am hopeful that well not allow our political differences to get in the way of economic
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common sense and duties to god and country. getting people back to work is the quickest way to restore confidence in us as an elective body and the country as a land of opportunity. last month i held a town hall meeting on the campus of a college in south carolina. that county has an unemployment rate of 17.5%. the three neighboring counsel have jobless rates ranging from 17 p.s.a. to 19.8%. people didn't want to here a lot about fancy washington talk about debt and deficits. they wanted to hear about jobs, restoring the dignity of work. they want to work, and they want their government to work. we need for make smart and compassionate budget cuts, targeting waste fraud and
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abuse, eliminating unnecessary and duplicative spending. and done by not slashing essential services and earned benefits like social security, medicare and medicade. my solution to our debt problems must be fair. it is just plain wrong to put all the burden of debt and deficit russia on the elderly the middle-class and the poor. recent studies indicate that there is a growing wealth gap in this country that is squeezing the middle-class and pushing millions into poverty. we need to work together to address these urgent priorities. economic fairness and common sense call for reducing neck wits in our tax code, closing unfair loopholes and eliminating outdate and
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unnecessary subsidies. it should be twined into a strong cord of job creation, budget cuts and tax reform. taken individually, neither one of them will sufficiently restore consumer confidence, regain domestic tranquility and maintain national security. the american people are counting on us to get the job done. thank you, mr. chairman. i yield back. >> thank you. the co-chair now recognizes the gentleman from michigan, congressman upton. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i, too want to thank the two chairs for their leadership in the few short weeks since this panel was named. i appreciate the quick action to begin assembling a strong staff that will consider the things today and take all the logistical steps to allow us to hit the ground running. i spent the last month at home
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meeting with my constituents in michigan. michigan is a great start. it's a place where folks were drawn to as they built their own american dream. our state produced some of the world's greatest inventions and industries, and it was an economic hub. and now it is on the front lines of an economic downturn. we have endured now 32 consecutive months of double-digit unemployment. manufacturing jobs have disappeared and more jobs are at risk because of regulatory burdens and economic uncertainty. i don't think any state has more at stake and my constituents know it. they know this committee was create to make the tough but necessary choices to cut spending and make reforms put us on a more stable long-term fiscal footing. removing economic uncertainty and demonstrating that we can reverse long-term debt and deficits trends will help spur job growth.
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if i heard one thing consistently it was this. the american people want us to succeed. they know the job of this committee and this congress is not an easy one. but all of us, the 12 of us here and every one of our house and senate colleagues were accept to to do what is right for the nation and they are rooting for us. let me read you something from this week's "national journal." for the first 10 months of fiscal year 2011, revenues are up about 8% over last year, and spending has risen less than 3%. revenue from income and payroll taxes grew even though congress cut payroll taxes. economic growth slowed to a crawl in the first half of the year. many analysts predicted the economy will grow less than 2% in 2012, about half as fast as many has thought previously.
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if the gloomy new outlook turns out to be right the deficit over the next decade will be hundreds of billions of dollars higher than c.b.o. or o.m.b. forecast. cutting spending is essential to jumpstart our economy and prevent the kind of downturn that we are being warn about. and if we don't succeed we risk further damage to our credit rating and deeper erosion in confidence, both of which will worsen the cycle. my goal for this committee is to begin by seeking common ground. surely there are areas where we can agree. surery we can identify areas where we are not spending taxpayer dollars wisely and can do better. every dollar we spend every program on the books can be viewed through the lens of job creation and fiscal responsibility. are we spending the people's money wisely? are we supporting job growth and economic certainty. those are the questions i look
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forward to working with my colleagues to find the right solutions. i yield back. >> thank you. the co-chair now recognizes the gentleman from massachusetts, senator kerry. >> we are taking on this job about the mission. they said that we shall produce recommendations and legislation to significantly affect the short-term and long-term fiscal imbalance of the federal government reducing the federal debt by at least $1.5 trillion. the critical words are "at least $1.5" and significantly family the long-term imbalance. the only way to meet that challenge is to achieve a larger agreement that grows our economy, puts our people back to work sending a message loud and clear that congress is serious and prepared atlas to make the hard choices.
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in fact, the real mission for this committee comes from the american people, whond woulder if we still can and want us to sit down as adults and make the congress work so that our economy can work again for the american people. so yes we are here to examine the numbers. but frankly, we are also here to examine our consciences and lookored party or ideology and address the broader concern. 26 million americans are looking for work. we can't fix our budget without fixing jobs, and we can't fix jobs without fixing our budget. we have to restore confidence, and we need to do it in a hurry. the world is watching, and our strength at home determines our strength in the world. only a few days ago russian prime minister putin said in today's economy, you only need
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to deal with five countries and america wasn't won of them. none of us were sent here to accept an economic future where the united states doesn't make the list, let alone not top it. unless we take significance steps, our government will only be able to fund, medicade, medicare social security and the interest on the national debt. everything else would have to be funded. this path is unsustainable. as we face this challenge, we need to remember that america does cherish a basic set of values. we believe in caring for the sick and bringing the elderly out of the shadows and that every young person deserves an opportunity and future. we believe america must prepare for. that as we engage in this effort we cannot eat america's seed corn. we need to grow our economy. some of us were here for
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graham, ruddman holings. in the 1990's, we saw how we balanced the budget in a balanced way. we can do it again. three bipartisan grooms have spent thousands of hours -- groups have spent thousands of hours to find common ground. they have all built a foundation. we don't agree with every proposals, and neither do they. but they are road maps, we don't need to reinvent the wheel here, but we have to put our shoulder to the wheel and find the political will power to get this done. none of us sitting here is so important or permanent that we can ignore the demand of history or the demand of the moment. we have to find not just common ground but higher ground. some of the most fiercely independent, plain-talking and determined partisans in
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american history have sat at the desks tables and chambers we sit in, and they have tackled the toughest issues throughout our history and they found common ground with people they disagreed with on near everything owls. now it is our turn. i believe i am convinced there is a bipartisan consensus just waiting if the 12 of us are willing to sit down and forge it and make it real. that is our mission and that is our charge, and i look forward to getting to work. >> thank you. the co-chair now recognizes the gentleman from arizona senator kyle. >> thank you, mr. chairman and colleagues, i am struck by the common a lot of views expressed here and by the very strong and united commitment to succeed.
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>> i will like to also end with a challenge to my colleagues and an admonition to those who think this will be easy. i have been involved now in three different levels of these discussions starting last december. my colleague mr. van hollen and i met adding max baucus
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and mr. china urn. having gone there all that, a dose of realism is required here. this is tedious time-consuming work. we have had a lot of hearings in both the house and senate. it is time i think for us to get down to the hard decisions that are required to go through those line by line items. as chairman murray point out time is short as well, which complicates our job. not only must we act by november 23rd, but we have to have anything we would make public 48 hours in advance. the c.b.o. most score everything and that could take weeks based on some of the things we have to do. the reality is we have to act by sometime -- by the end of october, realistically, which
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means we have about six weeks to construct our package. it is a long way of saying that we are only going to succeed if we can avoid partisanship and try to limit the demands on the committee as well as the staff so that we can collectively work to achieve this goal. the more demand made on this committee and its membership, the more challenging it would be. it is true that the american people want us to suck, and i'm going to do everything within my power to suck in this challenge that the american people and our colleagues have laid before us. the future of our country is at stake. >> thank you. the chair now recognizes the gentleman from maryland, congressman vonn who will. >> thank you mr. chairman. >> congressman van hollen. i offered him the opportunity
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to complete his remarks. >> i appreciate the gentleman's sentiment. that is not necessary. what i said i will post online. i appreciate very much his sentiment and would yelled back. >> the gentleman from maryland is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i join my colleagues here today in recognizes we have a big responsibility to the american people a responsibility to meet the twin challenges of doing everything in our power to put americans back to work and put america on a steady predictable path to deficit and debt reduction. these are not competing goals. they overlap. every day that the economy is stalled is another day that the american people are hurting and another day that the deficit is growing. so the quickest most effective way to reduce the deficit in the short-term is to help grow jobs. indeed the non-partisan congressional budget office has predicted that for each
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decrease .1% reduction we reduce the deficit by $110 billion. the biggest obstacle to growth right now is week consumer demand. i know the people are looking forward to the president's jobs plan tonight and the president is going to need a partner in congress to get the economy back on track. i hope we will work with him in a bipartisan fashion to do just that. getting the economy moving again is just part of the solution. it will not in itself reduce the deficit. we know that. it must be coupled with a credible deficit reduction plan. the good news, as my colleague from massachusetts says, we don't have to start from scratch. we have two recent bipartisan commissions as well as the work of the gang of six that have provided the framework for the general approach we can take. i don't agree with every
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proposal made by these groups, and i would say none of us do, but they do provide a scaffolding for a debt reduction plan. first, they warn against any action that could harm the economy. they proposed recommendations to boost consumer demand. second this they attack the deficit challenge from the spending and other side of the equation. they recognized we need to modernize programs, and we need to cutting pork, subsidies and all those things that benefit a lot of special interests. we have just 77 days left to complete our work. the clock is is ticking. there are plenty of ideas out there for reducing the deficit that have been thoroughly debated, and we have a menu of options. all of us what would agree that
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if the committee were to fail, and eye confident it won't, it would be not for a lack of ideas, but for a lack of political will. there are some who believe that the next election will somehow bring about a huge new political alignment that will allow republicans or democrats to get 100% of what they want in the way they want it. both parties suffer from that illusion from time to time. it is a dangerous illusion that will put the long-term economic healthy of our nation at risk. it is time to bite the bullet, put the country first, get the economy moving and implement a debt reduction plan. i stand ready to compromise for the good of the country. it is not a dirty word. it is the different between a zwid government that works and a dysfunctional government that doesn't. this sunday we all know marks the 10th anniversary of the awful day our nation was attacked. in the aftermath of that awful
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september day our nation showed its true character as we rallied together to meet a common challenge. we must unite now to put america back to work, to get our fiscal house in order and to ensure a brighter future for our children and country. thank you mr. chairman. >> thank you. the chair now calls up the rules of the joint committee and asks the clerk to report. >> proposed rules of the joint committee on deficit reduction. without objection the first reading of the rules is dispensed with. the rules will be open for amendment at any point. so ordered the chair recognizes himself. i think as all members know, these rules were negotiated on a bipartisan basis. they are designed to comport the rules of the standing
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committees of the house and those of the senate to ensure this body can operate as closely as possible to any standing committee of either body. i urge their adoption, and i yield back. is there any other discussion of the proposed joint committee rules? >> mr. chairman? >> the chair recognizes the co-chair. >> mr. chairman, i do want to enter into a colloquy to discuss the meaning of the term meeting as used in the rules. clause 11 and rule 26 provide for meetings for the transaction of business which includes mark ups of legislation and reports. the house and senate rules provide similar transparency requirements to those meetings as we have proposed in the rules of the joint select committee. the term meeting in these rules has the same practice additional meeting used in both
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houses and does not include less formal caucuses that would not be covered by the house or senate rules in the normally ordinary course. >> if the gentlelady will yield, the distinguish co-chair is correct. that reflects our understanding as we have been working on this rules package. is there any other discussion of the rules package? >> mr. chairman? >> the gentleman from maryland is recognized. >> would this be the appropriate time to inquire about the hearing schedule? >> thank you. i know we have our first hearing scheduleded for next week. i think it is an important kick-off hearing. the head of the congressional budget office is there. i know it is appropriate that we have a week's notice before hearings. i know the co-chairs are now involved in trying to decide what the hearing schedule would
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be. i just want to underscore a point that i think a couple of us made. a number of us from both sides referenced the work of bimp commissions, other bipartisan commissions that have met in the last year. as i said, i doubt any of us subscribes to all of the proposals they made. given the sort amount of time we have got about 77 days, i would suggest and hope it is appropriate that we get their input as we go along and try and get it as quickly as possible. they spent a lot longer time than we actually have to address some of these issues, and at least they can provide a menu of options. we can take them or leave them as we wish. i would inquire of the co-chairs of what the status of putting together the hearing schedule is? >> if the chairman will yield?
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>> i will yield to the distinguished co-chair. >> congressman van hollen, i thank you for your question. the co-chair and i have been working through a series of decisions including a number of propose aps we have receive on the subject of times and subjects for hearings. we hope to have one quickly to the members. we are very conscious of the need to get this done quickly. the seven-day notice puts intense pressure on us. we will be working through that and we intend to get to all the committee members as quickly as possible or proposal for hearings. >> i would associate myself with my co-chair's remarks. is there further discussion on the rules package? if there is no further discussion the question occurs on favorably reporting the rules. all in favor say aye. those opposed no. the ayes have it and the rules
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are favorably reported. without objection staff is authorized to make technical and conforming changes to the rules approved by the joint committee today. so odd. the joint committee now stands adjourned. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] [captioning performed by national captioning institute]
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>> today on c-span, president obama's speech to the joint session of congress on jobs legislation. later while bring you live coverage of the memorial dedication ceremony from pennsylvania starting at 12:30 p.m. eastern.
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later, former vice president dick cheney on the 9/11 attacks. >> this weekend the 10-year anniversary of 9/11 on the c-span networks, with live coverage from each of the memorial sites. here is our live schedule. today on c-span at 12:30 eastern, the flight 93 memorial dead case ceremony from pennsylvania. tomorrow morning at 8:30, a memorial ceremony from the world trade center site with president obama and former president bush. at 9:00, vice president biden from the pentagon. on c-span 3 at 9:30, honoring those who lost their lives on united flight 93. 9/11 remembered this week on the c-span networks. >> sunday on "washington journal," a look back at the september 11th attacks. we will take your calls an e-mails before joining live coverage from ground zero in
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new york city. >> "book tv" features 9/11 thursday this weekend. >> also this week on after words, pulitzer prize winning reporter suggest the federal government's efforts to protect america after september 11th or secretive and dangerous and need to be exposed. also in my time, a personal and political memoir. dick cheney talks about his experiences during 9/11 and the lessons he has learned since then. find our complete schedule online at >> the day after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. this week on american history tv on c-span 3, senate floor
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speeches from september 12th from senators schumer clinton warner and allen. recovered objects from new york the pentagon and shanksville, postal. katherine burns howard on how societal changes in the first half of the 19th century led to the birth of the women's right movement. press the c-span alert button to get the schedule e-mailed directly to you. >> thursday president obama spoke to a joint session of congress on jobs legislation that he wants passed. the president laid out a plan cons continuing of payroll tax reductions raising worker pay and investment infrastructure. his remarks are about 45 minutes.
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>> mr. speaker the president of the united states. [cheers and applause] [applause]
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>> thank you. how are you? good to see you. thank you. [applause] thank you. thank you. [applause] >> members of congress, i have the high privilege and the distinct honor of presenting to you the president of the united states. [cheers and applause] >> thank you. thank you.
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thank you so much. everyone please have a seat. thank you. mr. speaker mr. vice president, members of congress, and fellow americans tonight we meet at an urgent time for our country. we continue to face an economic crisis that has left millions of our neighbors jobless. and a political crisis that has made things worse. this past week reporters have been asking what will this speech mean for the president? what will it mean for congress? how will it affect our polls in the next election? but the millions of americans who are watching right now, they don't care about politics. they have real-life concerns.
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many have spent months looking for work. others are doing their best just to scrape by, giving up nights out with the family to save on gas or make the mortgage postponing retirement to send a kid to college. these men and women grew up with faith in an america where hard work and responsibility paid off. they believed in a country where everyone gets a fair shake and does their fair share. or if you stepped up, did your job, and was loyal to your company, that loyalty was rewarded with a decent salary and good benefits, maybe a raise once in a while. if you did the right thing you could make it. anybody could make it in america. and for decades now americans have watched that compact erode . they have seen the decks too
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often stack against them. and they know that washington has not always put their interests first. the people of this country work hard to meet their responsibilities. the question tonight is whether we will meet ours. the question is whether in the face of an ongoing national crisis we can stop the political circus and actually do something to help the economy. [applause] >> the question is whether we can restore some of the fairness and security that has defined this nation since our beginning. those of us here tonight can't solve all our nation's wes.
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ultimately, our recovery will not be driven not by washington but by our businesses and workers. but we can help. we can make a difference. there are steps we can take right now to improve people's lives. i am sending this congress a plan that you should pass right away. it's called the american jobs act. there should be nothing controversial about this piece of legislation. everything in here is the kind of proposal that has been supported by both democrats and republicans, including many who sit here tonight. and everything in this bill will be paid for everything. [applause] >> the purpose of the american jobs act is simple.
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to put more people back to work and more money in the pockets of those who are working. it will create more yobs for construction workers, more jobs for teachers, more jobs for veterans and more jobs for long-term unemployed. it will provide a tax break for companies who hire new workers, and it will cut payroll taxes in half for every working american and every small business. [applause] it will provide a jolt to an economy that is stalled and give companies confidence that if they invest, and if they hire, there will be customers for their products and services. you should pass this jobs plan right away. [applause] everyone here knows that small businesses are where know new jobs begin. and you know that while corporate profits have come
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roaring back, smaller companies haven't. so for everyone who speaks so passionately about making life easier for job creators, this plan's for you. pass this jobs bill. [applause] pass this jobs bill and starting tomorrow small businesses will get a tax cut if they hire new workers or if they raid workers' wages. pass this jobs bill and all small business owners will also see their payroll taxes cut in half next year. if you have 50 employees making an average salary, that is an $80,000 tax cut. and all businesses will be able to continue writing off the investments they make in 2012. it is not just comes who have supported this kind of proposal. 50 house republicans have approaches the same payroll tax cut that is in this plan. you should pass it right away. [applause]
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pass this jobs bill, and we can put people to work rebuilding america. everyone here knows we have badly decaying roads and bridges all over the country. our highways are clogged with traffic. our skies are the most congested in the world. it's an outrage. building a world-class transportation system is part of what made us an economic superpower. now we are going to sit back and watch china build bigger airports and faster railroads, when scores of unemployed workers could build them right here in america? [applause] there are private construction companies all across america just waiting to get to work.
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there is a bridge that needs repair between ohio and kentucky that is on one of the busiest tracking roads in north america. a project in houston that will help clear up wolverine the boston congestions in the country. how can we expect our kids to do their best in places that are literally falling apart? this is america. every child deserves a great school and we can give it to them if we act now. [cheers and applause] the american jobs act will repair and modernize at least 35,000 schools. it will put people to work right now fixing roofs
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installing high speed internet in classrooms across the country. it will rehabilitate homes and communities and businesses hit hardest by foreclosures. will jurp start thousands of transportation projects across the country. to make sure the money is properly spent we are building on reforms we have already put in place. no more earmarks. no more boondoggles. no more bridges to nowhere. we are cutting the red tape that prevents some of these projects from getting started as quickly as possible. and we will set up an independent fund to attract private dollars and issue loans based on two criteria. how badly a construction project is needed and how much good it will do for the economy. [applause] this idea came from a bill written by a texas republican and a massachusetts democrat. the idea for a big boost in construction is supported by america's largest business
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organization and america's largest labor organization. it's the kind of proposal that has been supported in the past by democrats and republicans alike. you should pass it right away. [applause] pass this jobs bill, and thousands of teachers in every state will go back to work. these are the men and women charged with preparing our children for a world where the competition has never been tougher. but while they are adding teachers in places like south korea, we are laying them off in droves. it is unfair to our kids. it undermines their future and ours. it has to stop. put our teachers back in the classroom where they belong. [applause]
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pass this jobs bill and companies will get extra tax credit if they hire america's veterans. we ask these men and women to cleave their careers, leave their families, risk their lives, to fight for our country . the last thing they should have to do is fight for a job when they come home. [applause] pass this bill and hundreds of thoses of disadvantaged young people will have the hope and dignity of a summer job next year. [applause] and their parents low income
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americans who desperately want to work will have more ladders out of poverty. pass this jobs bill and companies will get a $4,000 tax credit if they hire anyone who has spent more than six months looking for a job. [applause] we have to do more to help the long-term unemployed in their search for work. this jobs plan builds on a program in georgia that several republican leaders have highlighted, where people who collect unemployment insurance participate in temporary work as a way to build their skills while they look for a permanent job. the plan also extends unemployment insurance for another year. if the millions of unemployed americans stop getting this insurance and stop using that money for basic necessities, it would be a devastating blow to this economy. democrats and republicans in this chamber have support unemployment insurance plenty of times in the past, and in
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this time of prolonged hardship, you should pass it again right away. [applause] pass this jobs bill, and the typical working family will get a $1,500 tax cut next year. $1,500 that would have been taken out of your pocket will go into your pocket. this expands on the tax cut the democrats and republicans already passed for this year. if we allow that tax cut to expire if we refuse to act middle-class families will get hit with a tax increase at the worst possible time. we can't let that happen. i know that some of you have sworn oaths to never raise any taxes on anyone for as long as you live. now is not the time to carve out an exception and raise middle-class taxes which is why you should pass this bill right away.
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[applause] this is the american jobs act. it will lead to new jobs for construction workers teachers, veterans, first responders, young people and the long-term unemployed. it will provide tax credits to companies who hire new workers tax relief for small business owners and tax cuts for the middle class. here is the other thing i want the american people to know. it will be paid for and here's how. the agreement we passed in july will cut government spending by about $1 trillion over the next 10 years. it also charges this congress to come up with an additional $1.5 trillion in savings by christmas. tonight i am asking you to increase that amount so that it covers the full cost of the american jobs act. a week from monday i will be
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releasing a more ambitious deficit plan, a plan not only to cover the cost of this jobs bill but stabilize our debt in the long run. [applause] this approach is basically the one i have been advocating for months. a addition to the $1 trillion i have spending cuts i have already signed into law it's a balanced plan that would reduce the deficit by making additional spending cuts, by making modest adjustments to health care programs like medicare and medicade and by reforming our tax code in a way that asks the wealthiest corporations and americans to pay their fair share. [applause] what's more, the spending cuts wouldn't happen so abruptly that they wnba a drag on our economy or prevent us from helping small businesses and middle-class families get back on their feet right away.
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i realize there are some in my party who don't think we should make any challenges at all to medicare and medicade, and i under their concerns. but here's the truth. millions of americans rely on medicare in their retirement, and millions more will do so in the future. they paid for this benefit during their working years. they earn it. but with an aging population and rising health care costs we are spending too fast to sustain the program. and if we don't gradually reform the system while protecting current beneficiaries, it won't be there when future retirees need it. we have to reform medicare to strengthen it. [applause] i am also well aware that there are many republicans who don't
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believe we should raise taxes on those who are most fortunate and can best afford it. here is what every american knows. while most people in this country struggle to make ends meet a few of the most affluent citizens and most profitable cotchingses enjoy loopholes that nobody else gets. right now warren buffet pays a lower tax rate than his secretary, an outraged he has asked us to fix. we need a tax code where everyone gets a fair shake and where everybody pays their fair share. [applause] and by the way i believe the vast majority of wealthy americans and c.e.o.'s are willing to do just that if it helps the economy grow and gets our fiscal house in order.
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i will also offered ideas to reform a corporate tax code that stand as a moment to special interest influence in washington. by eliminating pages of loopholes and reductions, we can lower one of the highest tax rates in the world. our tax code sloo not give an advantage to companies who can afford the best lobbyists. it should give an advantage to companies who create jobs right here in the united states of america. [applause] so we can reduce this deficit pay down our debt, and pay for this jobs plan in the process. but in order to do this we have to decide what our priorities are. we have to ask ourselves what's the best way to grow the economy and create jobs?
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should we keep tax loopholes for oil companies or should we use that money to give small business owners a tax credit when they hire new workers? because we can't afford to do both. should we keep tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires, or should we put teachers back to work so our kids can graduate ready for college and good jobs? [applause] right now we can't afford to do both. this isn't political grandstanding. this isn't class warfare. this is simple math. this is simple math. these are real choices. these are real choices that we've got to make. i am pretty sure i know what most americans would choose. it is not even close. and it's time for us to do what is right for our future. [applause]
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now, the american jobs act answers the urgent need to create jobs right away but we can't stop there. as i have argued since i ran for this office, we have to look beyond the immediate crisis and start building an economy that lasts into the future, an economy that creates good middle-class jobs that pay well and offers security. we now live in a world where technology has made it possible for companies to take their business anywhere. if we want them to start here, stay here and hire here we have to be able to outbuild, outeducate and outinnovate every other country on earth. [applause] this task of making america more competitive for the long haul that's a job for all of us, for government and for private companies for states and for local communities and for every american citizen.
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all of us will have to up our game all of us will have to change the way we do business. my administration can and will take some steps to improve our competitiveness on our own. for example, if you're a small business owner who has a contract with the federal government we are going to make sure you get paid a lot faster than you do right now. [applause] we are also planning to cut away the red tape that prevents too many rapidly growing start-up companies from raising capital and going public, and to help responsible homeowners, we are going to work with federal housing agencies to help more people refinance their homes at interest rates that are now near 4%. [applause]
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i know you guys must be for this because that is a step that can put more than $2,000 a year in a family's pocket and give a lift to an economy still burdenened by the drop in housing prices. so some things we can do on our own. other steps will require congressional action. today you pass reform to speed up the patent process so entrepreneurs can turn ideas into new businesses as quickly as possible. that is the type of ideas we need. now it is time to clear the way for a series of trade agreements to make it easier for american companies to sell their products overseas while also helping the workers who have been affected by global competition. >> if americans can buy can
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kias annas i want to see folks in south korea driving more ford's chevies and crieslers. i want to see products around the worpped stamped with the three proud words made in america. that is what we need to get done. [applause] >> and on all of our efforts to strengthen competitiveness we need to look for ways to work side by side with america's businesses. that is why i brought together a jobs council with leaders from different industries who are developing a wide range of new ideas to help companies grow and create jobs. already we have mobilized business leaders to train 10,000 american engineers a year by providing company internships and training. other businesses are covering tuition for workers who learn new skills at community colleges. and we are going to make sure the next generation of manufacturing tax root not in
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china or europe, but right here in the united states of america. [applause] if we provide the right incentives the right support and if we make sure our trading partners play by the rules, we can be the ones to build everything from fuel efficient cars, to advanced biofuels, to semiconductorors that we sell all around the world. that's how america can be number one and that is how america will be number one again. [applause] now, i realize that some of you have a different theory on how to grow the economy. some of you sincerely believe that the only solution to our economic challenges is to simply cut most government spending and eliminate most
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government regulations. [applause] well i agree that we can't afford wasteful spending, and i will work with you with congress, to root it out. and i agree that there are some rules and regulations that do put an unnecessary burden on businesses at a time when they can least afford it. [applause] that's why i ordered a review of all government regulations. so far we have identify over 500 reforms which will save billions of dollars over the next few years. we should have no more regulation than the health, safety and security of the american people require. every rule should meet that common sense test. [applause]
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but what we can't do what i will not do, is let this economic crisis be used as an excuse to wipe out the basic protections that americans have count on for decades. [applause] i reject the idea that we need to ask people to choose between their jobs and their safety. i reject the argument that says for the economy to grow, we have to roll back protections that ban hidden fees by credit card companies, or rules that keep our kids from being exposed to mercury, or laws that prevent the health insurance industry from shortchanging patients. i disagree we have to strip away collective bargaining rights to compete in a global economy. [applause]
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we shouldn't be in a race to the bottom, where we try to offer the cheapest labor and the worst pollution standards. america should be in a race to the top and i believe we can win that race. [applause] in fact, this larger notion that the only thing we can do to restore prosperity is dismantle government, refund everybody's money, let everyone write their own rules and be on their own that is not who we are. it is not the story of america. yes, we are rugged individualists. yes, we are strong and self-reliant. and it has been the drive and initiative of our workers and entrepreneurs that has made this economy the engine and envy of our world.
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but there has been another thread running throughout our history, a belief we are all connected. belief that we do things together as a nation. we remember abraham lincoln as the founder of the republican party. but in the middle of a civil war, he was also a leader who looked to the future, a republican president who mobilized government to build the transcontinental railroad, launched the national academy of science set up the first land grant colleges. and leaders of both parties have followed the example he set. ask yourselves where would we be right now if the people who sat here before us decided not to build our himps, our bridges, our dams, our airports? what would this country be like if we had chosen not to spend money on public high schools, or research universities, or community colleges?
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millions of returning heroes, including my grand father, had the opportunity to go to school because of the g.i. bill. where would we be if they hadn't had that chance? [applause] how many jobs would it have cost us if past congresses had decided not to support the research that led to the internet and the computer chip. what kind of country would this be if this chamber had voted down social security or medicare because it violated some rigid idea of what government could or could not do. how many americans would have suffered as a result? no single individual built america on their own. we built it together. we have been and always will be
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one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all a nation with responsibilities to ourselves and responsibilities to one another. and members of congress, it is time for us to meet our responsibilities. [applause] every proposal i have laid out tonight is the kind that has been supported by democrats and republicans in the past. every popesal i have laid out tonight will be paid for. and every proposal is designed to meet the urgent needs of our people and our communities. i know there has been a lot of skepticism about whether the politics of the moment will allow us to pass this jobs plan
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or any jobs plan. already we are seeing the same old press releases and tweets flying back and forth. already the media has proclaimed it is impossible to bridge our differences. maybe some of you have decided that those differences are so freight that we can only resolve them at the ballot boxes. but know this. the next election is 14 months away and the people who sent us here, the people who hired us to work for them, they don't have the luxury of waiting 14 months. [applause] some of them are living week to week paycheck to paycheck,
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even kay to day. they need help, and they need it now. i don't pretend that this plan will solve all our problems. it should not be nor will it be the last plan of action we propose. what has guided us from the start of this crisis hasn't been the search for a silver bullet. it has been a commitment to stay at it, to be persistent to keep trying every new idea that works and listening to every new proposal no matters which party comes up with it. regardless of the arguments we have had in the past, regardless of the arguments we will have in the future, this plan is the right thing to do right now. you should pass it, and i intend to take that message to every corner of this country. [applause] and i ask every american who
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agrees to lift your voice. tell the people who are fathered here tonight that you want action now -- gathered here tonight that you want action now. remind us that if we as one nation and one people, we have it within our power to meet this challenge. president kennedy once said our problems are man-made. therefore, they can be solved by man. and man can be as big as he wants. these are difficult years for our country, but we are americans. we are tougher than the times we live in, and we are bigger than our politics have been. so let's meet the moment. let's get to work, and let's show the world once again why the united states of america remains the greatest nation on earth. thank you very much. god bless you and god bless the united states of america. [cheers and applause]
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>> this weekend the 10-year anniversary of 9/11 on the c-span networks with live coverage from each of the memorial sites.
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here's our live schedule. today on c-span at 12:30 p.m. eastern, the flight 93 national memorial dedication ceremony from shanksville pennsylvania. tomorrow morning at 8:30 a memorial ceremony from the world trade center site with president obama and former president bush. on use at 9:00, vice president bide n from the pentagon. on c-span 3 at 9:30, honoring those who lost their lives on united flight 93. 9/11 remembered this weekend on the c-span networks. >> sunday on "washington journal," a look back at the september 11th attacks. we will take your calls and e-mails before joining live coverage of the remembrance from ground zero in new york city. >> the day after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. this weekend on american history tv on c-span 3, senate floor speeches from september 12th from senators schumer clinton, warner and allen.
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on american artifacts from the smithsonian museum, recovered objects from new york, the pentagon and shanksville pennsylvania. also this weekend from lectures in history a northwestern professor on how southally changes in the first half of the 19th century led to the birth of the women's rights movement. press the c-span alert button to get our schedule directly to you. >> next a conversation with the former c.i.a. bin laden unit chief on the overallstate of the al qaeda network 10 years after 9/11. from today's "washington journal," this is 45 minutes. the former cia osama bin laden unit chief, michael scheuer holding that position from 1996 until 1999.
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first, the headline in this morning's wall street journal. what can you tell us about that? guest: i do not know much more what is in the paper. i think they are probably disturb how the people got here without knowing it. i think what it frames is a that in the last four or five years of osama bin laden's life, there has been discussion within al- qaeda. i fink they continue to plan for the. -- i think they continued to plan for that. a number of muslim male citizens have been recruited into their organization.
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car bombs, attacks on the pipeline for energy, water, and guess, assassinations, car bombs. i think without been locked in there, i think that is moving ahead. -- i think without osama bin laden there, i think that is moving ahead. if you look at what al-qaeda has done in iraq, it has been a laboratory for that kind of smaller scale attack. host: with is being the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, with the death of osama bin laden over the summer, our intelligence apparatus would be on to these three guys before this week? guest: i think that is what the hollywood portrayal of intelligence is. the one thing the government has not mentioned so far is how these people got into the
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united states. it will be terrible if they got through an airport through customs, but it is going to be worse politically if they got through the border from mexico or canada where there are no controls in some areas. yes, the intelligence community has been run ragged as well as the special forces who have tried to stop this thing. but it is a big world, a big country, and in terms of our borders, a great majority of our borders are out of control. host: the headline in the star- ledger on monday made a second emblematic of what was in a lot of papers. "just as has been done." -- "justice has been done." as the former cia osama bin laden unit chief what were your thoughts when you heard about this? the did in happened the way you have planned -- did it happen
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the way you thought it would happen? guest: if it did not happen the way we planned it because we did not have done this operation against osama bin laden. we were directed to either capture him through a kidnapping or to give the u.s. military opportunities to use their air power to kill him. mr. clinton had 10 chances and used none of them. i think mr. barack obama deserves credit because i think he acted on information that was available to mr. clinton. thank goodness that he did. host: you said he had 10 chances, but after the attacks of 9/11, what was the reality that osama bin laden would have been brought in alive? guest: i think the reality was very little.
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i argued that we should never bring him in alive because we did not want him in the southern district of new york speaking for three years in a trial. i think that the president and special forces and the cia did the right thing to kill him. host: we are talking about the al-qaeda plot against d.c. and new york with michael scheuer the former cia osama bin laden unit chief. we would like to get you involved in the conversation. the numbers are -- you can also reach us electronically via e-mail twitter, or conversations on facebook. talk to us about the structure and the moving ahead of al-qaeda post osama bin laden.
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guest: i think is important to emphasize the tactical victory. he was a unique individual within the muslim world. it was not a strategic defeat for al-qaeda unfortunately. we tend to live in an age of celebrity and contribute a great deal of the retirement of one person, but we have been focused on osama bin laden in south asia afghanistan and pakistan, as we should be and we have done a terrific damage to them there and then what is happened since 9/11, al-qaeda has had 1 meter platform from which to train arm store weapons amass manpower which is afghanistan. they are still in afghanistan. they are in a large area of pakistan. they are controlling cities in
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yemen. they are feeding on the prisons that were opened and the arsenals that were opened during the arab spring. they are causing havoc in iraq at the moment. al-qaeda is probably less talented at the leadership level, but in terms of dispersion and the number of people in arms against the united states, that number is greater than it was during 9/11. host: our first call comes from california. don is on our line for republicans. caller: good morning. i just saw a national geographic program on 9/11 and i was kind of shocked. i am a person who cannot come up with the worst thing that bill clinton did. stains on blue dresses the fact that he didn't take proper
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action on the financial situation, and how he spent $7 million on a wedding for his daughter and say that is public service but as a big shock is to see that he had a chance to take out, in numerous cases that he would not act to take that out. he is personally responsible, in my opinion, for all of the people that died. could you please elaborate? correct me if i am wrong. guest: i think is -- i think it is important for you or any american to not have to rely on my word. go through the 9/11 commission report where it describes the 10 opportunities that mr. clinton had to kill osama bin laden. is always interesting to me that mr. bush is a rather crucified
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for not taking action in august 2001 warning that osama bin laden was going to attack in the united states. when mr. bush got that message he basically said "what do i do? we do not want to know -- we do not know where osama bin laden is." mr. clinton never had that problem. i think there is a lapse of criticism when it comes to mr. clinton. i started a rendition program under mr. clinton, and yet mr. bush seems to be the one who gets hung with this. when we created rendition in august 1995, the idea was to begin to dismantle al-qaeda cells around the world by taking
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people off the street who were either planning to attack the united states or had involvement in activities against us or our allies. of the goals were to get them off the street and to grab whatever they had at the time in terms of electronic document or paper documents. there was no intention to interrogate them because mr. clinton's administration did not want to hold these people. they sent him to egypt and other places around the world. the agency said to the administration that you are going to be -- you're state department is going to be very critical of the countries where we are taking these people. they said that is not a good thing. can you the cia, gates guarantees from the egyptians that they will treat them according to their own laws? we said we are pretty sure we can do that but that does not
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get you off the hook. they did not want to hold these people. host: they were taken to countries like egypt because? guest: they were taken to countries where there was an outstanding legal process for them. we could only go after people who had an indictment or were convicted or imprisoned and escaped. if al-qaeda -- we were able to operate only about 3 inches of a yard that al-qaeda was able to operate. europe was off the map, for example. host: and willing to be able to treat prisoners prohibited by u.s. laws? guest: yes, there was no consideration about how the prisoners were treated once they got to a particular country. it was the agency that raised that with the white house more often than not. host: tony is on our line for
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democrats. you are on the "washington journal." caller: good morning. you seem like a pretty bright guy, but i tell you what happened and i am not behind the fact that you clint osama bin laden was behind the 9/11 at tax. i do not think he was. i do not know if osama bin laden had the capability to come up with this crazy notion that he could have 19 people in airplanes. everyone of the muslims on these planes terrorists -- i do not buy that. i do not buy that osama bin laden could get up and down those mounds with a white robe and not get dirty. it seems very shaky to me some of this nonsense.
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guest: everybody has their own opinion. you are right to express that opinion, but you just happen to be dead wrong. the conspiracies in the u.s. today are really a brand of insanity but an understandable insanity because the government itself tends to classified data far too frequently and at far too high levels. i think the secrecy policy breeds conspiracy. your ideas are your ideas, but they happen to be completely wrong. host: our next call comes from kentucky. caller: yes, good morning. i had a question for mr. michael scheuer. i think he is an intelligent man in my opinion.
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i was noticing cents 9/11, -- since 9/11, they had to float over a lot of services of law enforcement, but it seems like there is very little funding and the more for local authorities and crime. i wondered if he had any ideas how they might appropriate more money for that too because you do not want to miss that as well. thank you for taking my call. guest: i think there has been an enormous amount of spending on counter-terrorism. some of it has been worthwhile and some of it has not been worthwhile. it is something that cannot be ignored just for the reason that you are doing counter- terrorism. host: next up is los angeles calif.. caller: thank you for taking my
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call. i would like to address the main motivation for 9/11 if you look 47 of the 9/11 commission report. that is u.s. support for israel. michael scheuer has addressed that in a book but we do not see that addressed anywhere in the u.s. media when it comes to motivation for 9/11 and the attack in 1993. host: we will leave its there. guest: this cuts to the heart of an issue that americans really need to consider if they do not want to fight this war forever. american lifestyle democracy women in the workplace elections, liberty -- all of those things, they would never have in a country that they
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would live in. the policies pushed by president bush mr. dick cheney, senator mccain, and barack obama that america is being attacked because of those things is a disservice to the population of the united states. this war is not against americans because we are americans. it is motivated by the activities of our government and its allies in the muslim world. israel is an enormous problem for the united states and an enormous motivator for that area. it is not only that. is the support for the saudi police stayed. -- police state. it is our present in the arabian peninsula and military
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activities in iraq, afghanistan yemen, and some malia. none of that is to say those policies or actions are wrong. i would vote to change several of them very drastically. unless you understand the motivation of your enemy, you are never going to be able to understand durability, intentions or the ability to recruit in the coming generations. that is where we are at the moment. you can argue whether we should support the israelis or not support the israelis. that is a legitimate debate. when you think that israel is an enormous burden on u.s. interests and our relationship is getting american soldiers killed overseas and threatening us at home, that is just sad. you cannot get away from that fact. you have formed the basis of the conversation about whether we should continue or not supportcontinued
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the support in israel. host: talk about the power struggle that may be going on in the upper echelon of al-qaeda of who is going to officially take over for osama bin laden. we have a story in newsweek, and it looks like the leading contender -- is he still the go- to guy? guest: he has settled into the number 1 position, and we killed the man who was going to be number two in the last month in afghanistan or pakistan. zawahiri is in charge of the organization, and the question is how he will be perceived. he had the reputation of being a very abrasive individual, and one who was very conscious of being an egyptian.
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if that kind of personality in doors, he will not last long. there is every reason to believe that he has changed his behavior over the last couple of years. generally speaking, he is a much more vicious man then osama bin laden. the move that we talked about earlier frto using smaller scale attacks is right up his alley. host: if he maintains his status as the leader of al-qaeda, will he command them as a single unit or will they be sent out as franchisees? or will they be independent contractors that do not have to answer to him or anybody else? guest: i think there will be a
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variety of all three. what we do know is at the central core of al-qaeda remains in contact with its so-called franchise is. and had some influence on what they are going to do. there is not a command and control relationship. the yemenis will conduct operations as they wish. the people in somalia the people in north africa, but they are all moving in the right direction. host: michael scheuer was the former cia osama bin laden unit chief. he resigned after 22 years of service with the cia in 2004. his books include "and perry list hubris -- "imperialist
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hubris." we continued our questions with michigan. ed you are on the washington journal. caller: i would like to make three remarks. sir, you have been on of the programs on cnn, and you leave the impression that bill clinton could have gotten osama bin laden. he launched missiles into their training camp, but there was an airplane that landed there and there was a tall man with garbs on sitting next to a plan with arabic markings. it was possible that saudi or uad prints were on that plane and did not want to take the chance of killing somebody else.
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the other remarks is that special forces had bin laden pretty well in their markings. as the head of special forces, he requested a little more money and men, and at the same time bush told general franks to stop everything to and to make plans to go into iraq. those are my remarks. i would appreciate your remarks. guest: he certainly had a chance to kill osama bin laden in february and march of 1999. i think what you do not know is mr. clinton was about to authorize the sale of $8 billion worth of f-16's to the king of the crown pince ofrince of the
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united arab emirates. to prevent the death of american citizens he had richard clarke called the emirates and warned them that we knew they were in the desert and say that osama bin laden was there also and it would be good for them to leave and they did leave. mr. clinton on that particular opportunity -- one dead prince was not going to make a difference, but one dead bin laden with debt made a difference for those thousands of people killed during 9/11. host: next up is alabama, howard is on our line for republicans. caller: thank you. i appreciate you taking my call. am in on?
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host: go ahead. caller: years ago i remember the only people allowed in this country or those who wanted to be americans. the progressives, they changed all of that and made it in open country with open borders and allowed everybody in that wanted to come in. that is why we had 9/11. years before, those people could not get into this country. besides that, all of the millions of dollars we have had to spend protecting ourselves from the people they allowed in here. none of us feel safe when we go to the airport, when we go to chicago, detroit, new york, or wherever we go. we do not really feel safe. you do not feel safe when you get on the subway. this was all because of the
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progressives. host: howard, we will leave its there. guest: i think there is an argument to be made that only an america in the 21st century you could define national defense without insisting there would be some sort of control over your borders. as we talked earlier, the three men who apparently got in our country to conduct car bombings came over borders and snuck in rather than coming through official entry points. than the whole discussion of border control is going to become relevant again. certainly, america has always needed immigrants. we need them to it. but the argument that we do not see -- that we do not need a way to process those emigrants is wrong bank in our law enforcement has or million 12 million people in this country
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who do not know why they are here. that problem needs to be discussed rationally. host: we have a tweet from joe who writes -- . .
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in a wartime situation the idea that we apply law enforcement activities overseas is perhaps good for the f.b.i.'s budget. it is terrible for the security of the united states. host: next up, ana on our line for democrat's. caller: good morning, gentlemen. first, i don't have the gentleman from alabama, i don't have any fear about getting on planes or anything else. i've been a 63-year-old african american there is more terrorists growing up here than from bin laden. and secondly i remember president clinton and it was on the media doing the monica lewinsky scandal, and him lying before the grand jury that he went in to bomb bin laden and
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the republicans came out and other members said oh my god this man is going to go in there, bomb afghanistan to take the heat off of him and monica lewinsky. so i think there needs to be clarification on that. so many people lie and how do you build a huge compound in pakistan? pakistan is one of the issues. we give them all of this money and he builds a compound and nobody knows he's there and then when president obama comes in you know, here dick cheney says oh because of the intelligence that we got we really are responsible for that. can you address that for me please. guest: intelligence is a process of accumulating small pieces of information that finally come together either because they make sense of themselves or you collect another piece that makes them make sense. and i think eist probably fair
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to say that part of the information that it enabled the president to kill osama bin laden was gathered under the auspices of the bush administration. but it should not -- the bush administration should not be praised for that. the intelligence officers who collected that should be praised and they work for whatever government is in place in the united states. mr. clinton did indeed bomb host in afghanistan on the 20th of august 1998 after our embassies were destroyed on east africa in the 7th of august. they didn't kill bin laden at the time. but what people don't realize is that we had a chance to kidnap bin laden in the third week of may 1998, before the embassies were attacked and mr. clinton canceled that operation. so whether clinton was a democrat or a republican, i can assure you from working inside the intelligence community in the area of terrorism he was not interested in protecting
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americans. he was interested in protecting his own person. he was interested in protecting his reputation and he was interested in selling airplanes to the arabs and treating the taliban with kid gloves because he supported a gas pipeline running from turk man stan to kandahar to cratchie and pakistan. host: talk to us about the episode during the bush administration where they thought they had bin laden in torah bora and didn't take him out there. how is that different from the members of the clinton administration not acting on intelligence that they had obwhere bin laden was and what they could do with him? guest: i don't think there is a difference. they had a wonderful opportunity to go after osama bin laden and kill him or capture him at the time and certainly the troops on the ground the marines and the tenth mountain division were dying to do that. but the generals at that time in our military were
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bureaucrats. they hadn't fought a war. they didn't know what they were doing except they knew dead american soldiers is bad public relations. and so they subcontracted the job instead of using our troops they subcontracted the job to a couple of afghans who had fought with bin laden against the soviets in the 1980s. and when we did the traces on the names of those two afghans we sent the information back to the field and said these guys are going to be a day late and a dollar short and they were. and they got away. bin laden lived from 2001 to 2011 because i gather that the white house did not press those generals to use our own troops to do our own dirty work. host: where does al qaeda get its money these days and can we sweeze squeeze that money source? guest: a lot of the money comes from private donations from wealthy arabs who believe al qaeda and other islamist groups are doing god's work on earth.
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some of the money came from bin laden's family, his inheritance. donations and mosques are taken up around the world. they're involved in the movement of counter fit currency and there's money to be made there. al qaeda itself has always been very active in exporting gem stones from afghanistan and of course the enormous money maker for the taliban and probably some flow through is the her win industry. so there are no shortages of money. and the problem for the united states is that the treasury department is very good at stopping money in western banks if they can identify an account that the terrorist account or a bad account. but most times business in the muslim world is cash and carry and you really don't have an opportunity to freeze anything. host: pittsburgh, pennsylvania on our line for independents.
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caller: i had a question about the general efficacy of our intelligence gathering operations kind of on a global level. because how can we trust any of the intelligence when all of our most sensitive data bases have been penetrated by friendly nations and especially considering we know the prime beneficiary of thighs attacks is israel. guest: i'm not an expert on cyber warfare but increasingly we're facing threats from both nation threats and nonnation states, terrorist groups organized crime groups. and the security of our computer files. but that's got to be fixed. i don't know how to do it. i'm not a computer person at all. but certainly china, israel, other nation states do try to raid our data basis, our governmental data basis and also our industrial data basis
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to get an advantage from gaining access to industrial plans or particular pieces of equipment. so it is very big and growing danger as i understand it and the government seems to be taking some action at the moment against that problem. host: next up, louisville kentucky on our line for republicans. caller: good morning. i would like to know are we doing anything about the terrorist cells that funneling money out to country? how are we locating the cells and freezing their money and stopping the terrorist cells? are we doing anything about that? guest: i believe there was just a gentleman in new york arrested yesterday or the day before for sending several thousand dollars i believe to the taliban in afghanistan. and i think that the treasury department and the f.b.i. and other people try very hard to
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do that. and as i said just a minute ago, we're very good at stopping money in the western bank. we have good vision into the western banking system with our allies. but if it's a matter of carrying cash or transferring money via gem stones or jewelry or something like that it becomes much more difficult. host: tennessee on our line for independents. caller: i wanted to take issue with the guy from the c.i.a. and go back a little bit in your history and take a look at your history. ronald reagan funded bin laden and this is the reason that dick cheney said a long time ago without hesitation that he absolutely knew that there was weapons in iraq and that was the reason for going to iraq starting this war. ok? all right? he knew it because we funded
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bin laden. we took care of bin laden. and the c.i.a. was complistity in that. when clinton cut the budget back on c.i.a., c.i.a. turned on him and said, well, ok, we'll give him this information in pieces of information and say this is possible and that's possible and leave it all up in the air. when george bush was sitting in the white house, we got hit on september 11th, he had ten days in that ten days he knew exactly within a half a mile where osama bin laden was. and fed had the guts of harry truman and knocked a nuclear bomb this was ten years ago. but it's turned into an industry for the c.i.a. guys who wants to write a book and make a million dollars out of it. guest: well, you're titled to your own ideas. they're completely wrong. but you're entitled to them sir. unfortunately i think for us the c.i.a. bin laden would not
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deal with us during the war with the soviets. he made it very clear that he hated us then. he had his own sources of money and armaments and steered clear of us and he was on the side of the angels at the time because he was killing russians and that was the goal of the operation. i'm very confident that you're wrong that mr. bush had any idea of the location of osama bin laden. whether he would have killed him fed the opportunity to do so i can't address that but i was there at the time and we did not know where osama bin laden was in august of 2011 unlike unfortunately for you mr. clinton's raft of opportunities to kill osama bin laden. >> in your opinion could osama bin laden have held up in pakistan for as long as he did without the knowledge of the pakistani government and the
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pakistani military? >> i think some people in the government and the military almost certainly knew where he was, sir. but i think also at least within the intelligence community the one thing we were very confident of was that pakistan would never be the agent of turning him over or killing him or helping us to kill him because it wasn't in their interests. american politicians whether democrat or republican very often operate under the wrong assumption that everyone's national interests are the same as ours. pakistan's interests wsh not ours and yet they helped us by doing a number of things. they now have a civil war on their own territory for example because of the degree they helped us. the real question is not why didn't pakistan get him. the question is why did two u.s. governments under two different parties delegate their responsibility to protect americans to a third world
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dictatorship? host: next up, birmingham, alabama. guest: thank you. i worked in saudi arabia for 12 years between 1977 and 1989. i worked with a lot of the saudis i worked in the refinery as well as all different parts of the country because i was an independent consultant for iran, the saudi government. i heard many times about our blind support for israel. and i often wondered every time i saw us giving money to israel something would happen that would keep that war going rather than diminish that war. and i don't know what your your involvement or understanding of that if you haver had the
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chance to talk with saudis but i talk with them constantly and alet of the guys when i worked in the refinery when they took their 30 day vacation they went to afghanistan to fight the war. i saw many pictures, they take photos of helicopters they had shot down and people they had killed but which were gruesome but i had to go along with them and sure i looked at them and i understood what they were saying. host: we'll leave it there. guest: i think it's an important point sir. osama bin laden was not an anomaly for the saudi educational system. he was indeed the poster boy for its suck setses. and along with -- successes. and along with countries, saudi arabia is an enormous threat to the yidse in the west generally because of the manner in which
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it exports a brand of islam that is anti-western anti-christian anti-jewish, and certainly much more vicious in intolerance than anything that osama bin laden himself pushed ahead. the saudis are like the israelis, extraordinarily powerful in our congress because of the influence and the money they have used to buy support from various smen. the saudis in particular are very influential in our oil industry and arms industry. they're always buying billions of dollars of guns from us. and our president's, republican and democrats, pretend that the saudis are our best friends and reliable allies and i think that's exactly wrong. they are a maligned influence not only for the united states but for the western community as a whole. host: we've got a tweet.
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our last call from alabama. joe on our line. caller: yes. first of all thank you for your 22 years of service. and providing us a blanket of freedom that some people don't understand that there's a lot of lives in providing that. but more importantly, i believe that if this country required our children when they turned 18 to give us two years of service, a the other countries would realize that we're a militarily trained completely as silions that they would think twice before they would attack us because anyone of us could cap them. b, these young people need to understand, an american there's always a price to pay but they want it for free. so i think we should require that they understand that
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there's a price for freedom but more importantly they should be required to pay it before they start their adulthood so that maybe they have a sense of direction as to, a, they're not mexican american. i'm an american hispanic. i think people should itesdzorer being americans first or get out. guest: well, we've certainly comb to the point with our military that we are stretched to the limit and are very understaffed, i think, and we're probably at the point where one more major crisis that required the deployment of an american army overseas, that the draft will become a new or a renewed source of debate in this country. i have to say that i think a conscript army would make the politicians much more conscious of the losses our military suffers. we're going to with draw from iraq and afghanistan in defeat.
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we have accomplished nothing there that we set out to accomplish. not because of the military. but because of the restraints put on the military by mr. bush and mr. obama. and it's always seemed to me to be criminal to go war without intending to win and we have now generals who don't even use the word victory or win. their hearts and minds folks like petraeus and mcchrystal. and i think certainly a conscript army would put pressure on any government, republican or democrat, to get into a war, to win it, win it clearly and clearly get home. to rather than marines to build irrigation systems and clinics. >> host: one final question. they had this article with the title, nine 11 anniversary comes al qaeda 2.0.
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moving forward, where are the hearts and minds of al qaeda? is this tenth anniversary as significant for them as it is for us or is this just another day that they hate americans? guest: al qaeda has never been much keyed to anniversaries. american politicians are always key to anniversaries. we work endless thanks givings and christmases. this is a different anniversary. it's the tenth anniversary i think that's the smallest motivation. the second is that there's an enormous eagerness to extract an eye for an eye in return for killing osama bin laden. third and most important for them their recipe for defeating us is always included trying to bleed us to bankruptcy. our economy is very clearly on the ropes at the moment and theg anything do to push us further, that's what they intend to do. so it's almost like a little perfect storm coming together at this particular point in
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>> taking you live now to the scene of shanksville pennsylvania. the passengers today, a dedication. this is the first phase of the memorial honoring those who lost their lives here, and we expect to see in attendance vice president biden as well as former presidents george w. bush and former president bill clinton, interior secretary ken sales yar is expected to attend and also tom corbit. the pentagon paying tribute to the victims there laying a wreath of white flowers by a memorial stone that's embedded in the wall of pentagon where
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american airlines flight 77 crashed into the building killing 184 people there. we'll have live coverage from all three 9/11 crash sites on the c-span networks through much of the day tomorrow. for today, live coverage of the gathering here in shanksville. we expect things to kick off at about 12:30 eastern time. the main ceremony is running a little bit late because of some flooding and muddy conditions in the area. again, vice president biden expected to attend and former presidents george w. bush and president bill clinton.
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>> bringing you a live look here at shanksville pennsylvania, for the dedication of the first phase of the memorial being built at the site of the crash of flight 93 which will honor the 44 people who lost their lives nearly 10 years ago in the 9/11 attacks. we saw just a little bit ago pennsylvania governor ed rendell here at the gathering. he was the chief executive of the state at the time during the attacks. and the c-span networks will have live coverage much of the day tomorrow from all three sites. you can see there governor
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rendell. we'll have coverage from all three sites, new york city, the pentagon here in washington, and also in shanksville. as the a.p. reports security is high in both new york and washington. investigators are looking into a number of people who are supposed to launch an attack during this weekend's memorials. so far officials say it's unclear whether the names they have are real or fake. here in shanksville we expect to see vice president biden in attendance also former president bill clinton and former president george w. bush who paid tribute to the victims at the pentagon this morning. he laid a wreath of white flowers by the 9/11 memorial stone that's embedded in the wall outside corridor four where american airlines flight 77 crashed into the pentagon. 184 people were killed. you're watching live coverage
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[applause] >> good morning. you may be seated. i am jon jarvis, director of national park service, and i am humbled to be here this morning -- for the families of the heroes of flight 93 to dedicate this memorial to your loved ones. today we also recognize those who made this memorial to the passengers and crew of flight 93
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a reality. people from this community from the state, and across the nation who share an unwavering commitment to make this field in shanksville, pennsylvania, an eternal tribute to those whose unsell this -- unselfish actions despaired lives of so many. thousands of people had made the journey to be here in this solemn place, and millions more are watching or listening to the ceremony. please, welcome you all. let me also welcome several of our distinguished guests. speaker of the house john boehner -- [applause] members of the congressional delegation who are here with us as well -- [applause] there are many state elected officials as well representing
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the state of pennsylvania. [applause] and there are many local officials who have been so instrumental in protecting this site over the years. [applause] 10 years ago flight 93 took off from newark, new jersey, bound for san francisco. terrorists hijacked that plane and three others that terrible day as part of an organized attack on this country. the hijackers turned the airplane toward washington d.c., aimed, we believe, at the united states capitol, where both the house and senate were in session. they never made it. because of the determination and valor of the passengers and crew of flight 93 that airplane crashed in this field, less than 20 minutes by air from its presumed target.
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in the days that followed, as the courageous story of what happens on flight 93 emerged the flag that had been at half staff above the u.s. capitol was brought here by senators arlen specter and rick santorum to fly as solemn tribute to the recovery personnel and investigators as they sorted through the wreckage. i ask that you turn your attention to the poll behind you as two fbi agents who were here during that investigation will once again raised that flag, the flag that flew over the u.s. capitol on september 11 the first flag to fly over this permanent memorial. as we dedicate this moral and commemorate the inspired -- inspiring story, those who lost their lives are never far from our thoughts or from the thoughts of those who were scared by their actions.
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among us today are people who were in the capital or at the white house on september 11. i would ask them to please stand. [applause] i would invite everyone to stand for the invocation offered by father daniel coughlan, chaplain of house of representatives in 2001 and to remain standing for the singing of the national anthem and the presentation of the colors. >> let us pray. god bless america. here we stand, united in memory and dedication. here, a prayer rises from
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hallowed ground made it sacred by great heroic self sacrifice so others might live. here is founded the beginning of a new national pledge of allegiance inspired by those who would grasp the few moments given them to take matters into their own hands and truly make a difference. resolve never to be victims of circumstance here true americans witnessed to a living truth beyond themselves, their hope, to free others who wish them well changed the world. desirous to end terrorism and violence, they became willing seed planted for freedom's harvest.
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only unbelievers, lord god continue to seek a sign of your love and for given s. for we know that you have heard the prayer's murmured here over a decade. has this anguish been neglected too long? have we not witnessed enough? ordinary people on their way to work for a family reunion offered on the altar of this plain all they had, all they loved. then threatened, they refused to be paralyzed, finding within themselves an art beyond politics. they break the silence and decided late act together -- decidedly act together. they do only what is possible in
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an impossible situation. because they are your children, they find within themselves true freedom. from them, lord, teach us how to release ourselves from this seat belts of economics and brought us together to rush forward to the future unafraid because you again give us a sense of direction. lord, by this dedication, left us from san and death to a renewed faith and prayer, bring us and all of our sisters and brothers to a new life, for we place all of our trust in you both now and forever amen.
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>> ♪ ♪ o say can you see by the dawn's early light, what so proudly we hail at the twilight last gleaming? whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight o'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming? and the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air, gave it proves through the night that our flag was still there o say, does that star spangled
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>> you may be seated. this memorial is to 40 remarkable people. in last than 30 minutes they assess their situation, voted on what to do, and acted. each of them is an american hero. poet robert penske will share with us a reading and then call the names of the passengers and crew. as each name is red representatives of the first responders will told the bells of remembrance. the president of the flight -- families of flight 93, a steadfast supporter of this memorial, and brother of flight 93 passenger will offer his thoughts on this day on this memorial. robert?
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>> ne people, a people, is what it remembers. for us, the american people, flight 93, because we remember it, has become a significant part of who we are and what we are as a people. however, let's come fast and acknowledge that a communication of memory, and whenever we speak of memory, we are also speaking about for getting. and we can't know what our great grandchildren will remember. but we know they will remember of this. there is always the fear of the waters of -- their river of forgetfulness.
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in a beautiful poem of the 19th century, lycee is mentioned. here is the two-line poem. on love, grief on every human thing, time sprinkles the water with its wings. and it is true that on love, on grief, forgetfulness is sometimes sprinkled. the two very short poems i am going to read to you deal first with the way we can't help what we remember. nobody wanted to remember event. we didn't want to have a burden as well as the honor of this memory. the first poem is about that helplessness that we remember whether we want to or not.
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and the second pup one involves the redeeming decency reasonableness, and in the case of these 40 people, indeed, heroism. the first peooem about needing to remember even if you don't want to come up the way the world has changed. like many great things about events, this poem was written decades before september 11 by a great brazilian poets. it is called souvenir of the ancient world. clariss drove in the garden with the children, the sky was grain over the grass, the water golden under the bridges other elements of blue, rose, aren't. a policeman smiled. bicycles past. a girl stepped on to long to
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catch a bird. the whole world -- all was quiet around clara. the children looked at the sky. it was not forbidden. mouth nose, eyes were open. there was no danger. it would clear. was the flu the heat, in sex. she. missing the 11:00 trolly. not always being able to wear a new dress. but some -- she strolled in the garden in the morning. they had gardens. they had mornings in those days. that is a poem about a cataclysmic event happening, and it seems there will be no more gardens. the second poem i will read to you before i read the 30 names
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-- for the names, also is not written in english. it is from a great polish poet. i will read it in my translation. it is called "incantation." for me it evokes the fact that these people, when they got on the airplanes, had no intention of being heroes protecting. they wanted to go somewhere on ordinary reasonable human business, and then their imagination was challenged by disaster. incantation. human reason it is beautiful and invincible. no bars, barbwire, no sentence of banishment can prevail against it. it establishes a universal idea in languages and guides our
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hands so we right truth and justice with capital-letter a spiritedlie an d oppression with small. it puts what should be above things as they are. it is an enemy of despair and a friend of hope. it does not know jew from greek or slave from master, giving us the estates of the world to manage. it saves austere and transparent phrases from the filthy discord of tortured words. it says that everything is a new under the sun. opens the congealed fist of the past. beautiful and very young are philosophy and poetry, ally in the service of the good. as late as yesterday nature
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celebrated their birth. the news was brought to the mountains by a unicorn and an echo. their friendship will be glorious. of their time has no limit. their enemies have delivered themselves to destruction. i will now say the 40 names. christian adams a rangy day -- lorraine bay todd beamer, alan anthony beaven market bingham
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-- mark bingham deora frances bodley sarah bradshaw, marion britton thomas burnett jr., william joseph cashman georgine rose corrigan patricia cushing
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jason dahl joseph deluca patrick joseph driscoll edward p. felt jane c. folger colleen laura fraser andrew garcia,
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jeremy logan glick kristin gould lauren grandcolas and unborn child wanda anita green, donald f. greene linda
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gronlund richard guadagno leroy homer toshiya kuge ceecee lyles hilda marcin waleska martinez nicole
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miller louis j. nacke donald arthur peterson jean hoadley peterson mark rothenberg christine snyder john talignani honor elizabeth
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wainio deborah jacobs welsh. [bagpipes]
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[applause] >> vice-president biden president bush, president clinton, secretary salazar speaker boehner -- friends
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families, and all those that chose to take time today to share in the bittersweet celebration of this memorial dedication. thank you for honoring the memory of the passengers and crew of united flight 93 with your presence. 10 years ago we first came to this hallowed grounds. we were devastated. nearly broken. our lives had changed in an instant and at a time when we least expected the potential of such evil in the world. today, with the dedication of the flight 93 national memorial, we are assured that the enduring legacy of our loved ones and their collective actions on of timber 11th, 2001, will be -- september 11, 2001, will be preserved, providing comfort, inspiration and education for future generations. it has been a long road to this very day. it seems to have passed in an
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instant. so many hurdles, so many steps to take, procedures to follow. only a project worthy of this could sustain a level of dedication on the part of so many that would see us through to this dedication on this 10th anniversary. on this occasion it is proper and fitting to acknowledge those first responders joining us today that were called into action within minutes of the crash of flight 93. as the course of our lives was so violently altered that day, they heard the call to duty, and in their own way was the first to honor our heroes through their actions. this level of action, dedication, and compassion within the somerset county community and surrounding areas on the morning of september 11, a 2001, and during the period of recovery and investigation, was not unique, but rather the norm.
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whether it is the ambassador standing vigil at the memorial, volunteers working with the national park service to preserve artifacts and oral histories, or community members opening their homes and hearts to families in our time of grief, this community has embraced this memorial project with all the dignity grace, and under i come to realize is pervasive here in southwestern pennsylvania and across the commonwealth to harrisburg. senator casey, senator toomey, representatives shuster, the entire pennsylvania delegation, as well as long time champions of the flight 93 national memorial former gov. ed rendell, former gov. ridge senator specter, and the late congressman murtha -- you have honored our government's commitment to be an active partner in the development of
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this project. with such upheaval in our world to get up today you continue to fight the good fight in order to ensure this project has stayed on schedule and is continue to be appropriately funded. to the families, this sacred ground holds a deep and special significance. this is the final resting place of the crew and passengers of flight 93 and we worked hard to ensure it is treated with the proper care and respect. we are grateful for secretary salazar and the national park service for their leadership in this memorial project, as well as for their current and future stewardship of this land. superintendent, project manager rhinegold former superintendent hanley, and the entire team of rangers, ambassadors, and volunteers, we trust that you will continue to be the fierce advocates for our loved ones moving forward that you have demonstrated to be thus far.
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for while we are dedicating a memorial on this day, our job is not done. we look forward to a timely completion of this memorial project so that as future generations come to somerset county seeking answers, they will have the ability to experience the complete edition of the memorial's design. the story of a flight 93 is one that resonates with all who would hold their to their hearts of the rule of law the love of family, and the desire to control the destiny of one's life. over 70,000 people from across the globe have demonstrated their support for the flight 93 national memorial through financial support, and nearly 1.5 million individuals have already come to this sacred ground in order to pay their respects to our 40 heroes. they have come asking questions seeking perspective, as well as to tell their own stories and experiences of september 11 2001. aall that have made the
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pilgrimage to this site, all that worked tirelessly to create this memorial, and all of those who refused to forget the individuals and their collective actions honor of the 40 crew and passengers of united flight 93. we must choose to be inspired by the story of flight 93 and seized the opportunity to hold fast to the hard-fought lessons learned on this sacred ground just 10 certification -- short years ago. as long as we continue to remember the actions of our loved ones, they remain alive in our hearts, and in the hearts of our nation. thank you. [applause]
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>> ♪ ♪ i will remember you will you remember me don't let your life pass you by waiting on the memory ♪ ♪
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i will remember you will you remember me don't let your life pass you by weep not for the memories
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♪ ♪ i'm so afraid to love you but more afraid to lose cleaning -- clinging to a past that doesn't let me choose, once there was a darkness deep and and list the night, you gave me everything you had it, oh, you gave me light and i will remember you will you remember me? don't let your life pass you by
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>> thank you, ed thank you sarah mclaughlin. that was beautiful. for joining us today and for the perfect piece. this memorial would not have been possible without a strong and unwavering support of individuals, governments groups, and foundations from across the country that have made personal and financial commitments to see it through. we welcome representatives of several of those groups. the first is chris sullivan, chairman of the flight 93 capital campaign and vice- chairman of the national park foundation. [applause] >> thank you john barrett and thank you for all you have done for flight 93 national memorial. your leadership is remarkable.
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thank you very much, john. as a fund raising partner of the national park service, the national parks foundation is a privilege to work with a dedicated group of partners. the corporations businesses, foundations, and other organizations the law form -- law firm of porter right that did pro bono work and the land is committed to protecting is hobbled ground. yet none of this -- nobody has given more than the relatives and family members of the 40 men and women of flight 93. they feel the weight of the loss, and we admire you for your courage, your determination your commitment and your persistence in seeing this national memorial becomes a reality. and we are very excited that today the first that is being completed. this is an important endeavor to
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create a permanent place of recognition of the heroes, your loved ones, so each generation knows that the incredible heroism, sacrifice, and horror that took place here 10 years ago. i would like to especially thank our honorary co-chairman. general, a franks and gov. tom ridge, for first asking me to participate, but more for your numerous trips and meetings with donors and your ongoing and positive enthusiasm an inspiration to see this effort through. i want you two to stand up so everybody can say thank you. [applause] some 75,000 individuals and organizations have made commitments to this national memorial. these donations, both large and
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small, inspire us to continue to move forward and ordered to fulfill the promise we made it 10 years ago to remember these brave souls on board flight 93. your names will forever be recognized in our honor roll as well as in our hearts through your extraordinary generosity. thanks in your part for making and dedicating this national memorial today. over 1.5 million visitors from around the world visited the memorial but today marks the first time we walk across the plaza and stand before this wall and, -- come face-to-face with the quiet meadow surrounded by thousands of others who share the memory of 9/11. visiting here serves of the memories and emotions that are still raw. we reflect, and we do, reflect on the incredible courage and conviction of the heroes of
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flight 93 as well as the heartbreak and the sorrow of their loved ones. we are thankful these ordinary citizens stood up and stop another deadly and destructive attack on our nation. we would like to thank five organizations for underwriting today's event. alcoa foundation, bank of america, erie insurance, hi mark, and verizon. thank you. [applause] today's dedication marks an important milestone in the history and progress of the flight 93 national memorial, but it is not the final step in the journey of healing and remembrance. what we see today is only part of the memorial. behind you will be a visitors center filled with learning resources and public programs. 40 more " -- memorial grows encircling the vast field of honor and a tower of voices who stones will echo across this
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land. america has a long tradition of honoring its heroes in national parks. from the calm waters of pearl harbor to the majestic mountains of mount rushmore to the enduring legacy of martin luther king jr., we are pleased that these 40 men and women, the heroes of flight 93, are so honored. we are confident we can realize the full vision of a national memorial. we ask for your continued support and ask you to encourage others to learn more about our efforts and go to if you get them to participate. this has been a remarkable journey and, again, we still have work to do but thank you, families, you are an inspiration to all of us. we will get this done. with that, we would like to present the secretary of interior ken salazar, who has been absolutely fantastic in these efforts. mr. secretary? [applause]
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>> thank you very much. good afternoon to all of you and to vice-president biden, dr. biden, president clinton, to president bush, to mrs. bush speaker boehner, and senators casey and tommey and all the members of the delegations and elected officials and especially to the families today who worked so hard to dig as possible. we join together as friends and family is -- families, to build and support enduring monument to love, courage, and sacrifice. on one morning, a turn of history and a rush of heroes forever changed this land and this nation and this world. the battle that began at 6 miles overhead ended with a roar of engines and this area behind us
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the stony creek river. since that day, millions of americans have come to honor their heroes of flight 93. they have brought to this hallowed ground their pictures, their letters and their prayers. and the people of this land, themselves survivors and witnesses and first responders welcome those who came. they helped us mourn they helped us reflect, and they helped us build a memorial for all of america and for all the world for all time to seabright in this place. to the citizens of somerset county and for those who lead that effort, including gov. ridge and gov. grendell and general franks and so many others, we thank you for making this day possible to the landowners of this place in somerset county who gave of their property to this nation so that we might honor those who gave their lives here, we thank you. and to the architect paul
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murdock, who kept true to the landscape and to this event your design has moved our hearts from the beginning. if to the families of flight 93, home i have come to know well over the years, and to the flight 93 advisory commission, the flight 93 memorial task force, the national park foundation, and the relentless and undying efforts of neil mulholland as president, for all the elected officials, thank you to your leadership. to the tens of thousands of citizens who donated to this cause, more than 75,000 so far you honor us all. and to the families themselves who have suffered the unspeakable tragedy but to rededicate themselves so deeply to protecting this final resting place, their partnership in this process, in this place, will ensure that the legacy of your
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loved ones is never forgotten. i am honored and i am humbled to work with all of you to make this day happen. so we will never forget those heroes who gave their lives on this hallowed ground. today, this special place these 2,200 acres, answer the care and trust of the departments of interior and the national parks service has the 389th unit of the national park service. it joins the hallowed grounds of gettysburg and yorktown, selma and pearl harbor as a place where patriots gave their lives for this nation. here like so many lands and sites we protect, we are reminded of that with -- which binds us as one people. we are reminded that we all share in our nation's triumphs as well as its trials. we shared dreams of peace and
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prosperity and we are reminded that we stand up for one another, fight for each other and defend the rights and dignity and doweled to all humankind. terrorism of the passengers and crew of flight 93 will endure forever -- the heroism of the passengers and crew of flight 93 will and/or forever. the field of honor, the groves of trees, the wind chimes that will one day be heard throughout this landscape. on behalf of the men and women of the national park service and the department of interior, we pledge, on behalf of president obama, on behalf of this nation's citizens, we pledged to guard this hallowed ground so that all who visit may learn what happened here. we will tell the story of
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flight 93 and its heroic 40 passengers. we will ensure that of the 40 patriots who gave their lives will never be forgotten. and we will see to it that the american values so evident that day, determination resilience, service, continue to inspire us, guide us, and give us hope for the future. now, it is my honor to read a letter from president carter who was not able to come, but asked that i read this letter to all of you who are assembled here. he says -- "i join with all of you in the dedication of the flight 93 memorial and the desire to honor and remember the men and women who died here 10 years ago tomorrow. at a time of great sadness, we nevertheless were inspired by the courage and sacrifice manifested by the passengers and crew of united flight 93.
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our nation was stricken by an unprecedented attack that brought death and injury to thousands of people and suffering to millions in the united states and around the world. recognize the personal losses of the families and friends of those who perished in new york and washington as well as pennsylvania. they receive my deepest consult -- condolences. all of us americans suffered and found it difficult to understand such evil acts. the proper response and includes an enhanced defense against terrorism and a renewed dedication to the values that makes the united states a great nation, a commitment to truth justice, peace freedom humility, a human-rights, and generosity. the creation of this national memorial park will help us remember what we have lost and what we must do. i expected to be an inspiration
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and a comfort to all of us. rosalind i -- are prayers' for consolation and hope. sincerely, jimmy carter. " it is my honor to present to all of you here in somerset county and pennsylvania the 43rd president of the united states, george w. bush. [applause] [applause] >> thank you very much. mr. secretary, thank you very
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much. mr. vice-president, dr. biden president clinton, mr. speaker members of congress, my friends tommy frank and tom ridge, thank you for helping to raise the money for this memorial. members of the national parks service and the national park foundation and all of you who supported this memorial, but most importantly the families of the flight 93. laura and i are honored to join you in dedicating this memorial to the heroes of flight 93. when the sun rose and the pennsylvania sky 10 years ago tomorrow, it was a peaceful september morning. by the time it said nearly 3000 people were gone. the most lives lost on american soil in a single day since the battle of antietam.
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with the distance of a decade, 9/11 can feel like part of a different era, but for the families of the men and women stolen, some of whom joined us today, that they will never feel like history. the memory of that morning is fresh, and so is the pain. america shares your grief, we pray for your comfort, and we honor your loved ones. september 11, 2001, innocent men and women went to work at the world trade center. the reporting for duty at the pentagon. they boarded american flights to 11 and 77, united flights 93 and 175. they did nothing to provoke or deserve the deliberate act of murder that al qaeda carried out.
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one of the lessons of 9/11 is that evil is real and so is courage. when the airplanes struck the world trade center, firefighters and police officers charged up the stairs into the flames. as the towers and neared collapse, they continued the rescue efforts. all tamale more than 400 police officers and firefighters gave their lives. among them was the chief of the new york city fire department. as a colleague put it -- he would never ask anyone to do something he didn't do himself. the pentagon service members and civilians told friends and strangers from burning rubble. one special forces soldier recalls reaching through a cloud of smoke in search of the wounded. as he entered one room, he
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prayed to find someone alive. he discovered a severely burned woman and carried her to safety. they later met in of the hospital where she explained that she had been praying for rescue. she called him her garden -- guardian angel. and then there was the extraordinary story we commemorate here. aboard united airlines flight 93 were college students from california an ironworker from new jersey, veterans of the korean war and world war ii, citizens of germany and japan the pilot who had rearranged his schedule so that he could take his wife on a vacation to celebrate their anniversary. when the passengers and crew realized the airplane had been hijacked, they reported the news calmly. when they learned that the terrorists had crashed other airplanes into targets on the ground t


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